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/veganism/ - Go Vegan

What is the difference between animals and humans that justifies killing one for food when we can just eat plants, but not the other?
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 No.15

Well, I honestly think veganism will just restrict your diet and will not provide you with necessary nutrition. So instead of going full blown vegan and avoiding anything animal related, just avoid the meat. Restricting things like egg, or say milk for example would extremely reduce your protein intake. Reason why I'm vegetarian, is because I can't take the taste of meat. But…everything else that isn't meat gets a green light. Sometimes, even fish could do in place of meat, since comparatively fish is a bit more healthier, than say beef.

As for the animal cruelty part, well plants are living things too. Just because they don't show pain, does not necessarily mean they don't feel it. So…you can either feel the guilt and stop eating living things and starve to death, or you can simply accept the truth that to survive as a biological entity, you need to consume other biological entities.

 No.27

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>>15

>Well, I honestly think veganism will just restrict your diet and will not provide you with necessary nutrition.

I'm a medical and nutrition student. Could you tell me what required nutrient you think you wont be getting as a vegan, or that vegans can't get easily? There isn't an answer, spoiler. You might say B12 because vegetables are washed before eaten, thus the B12 from the bacteria in the dirt gets washed off. But, the majority of humans are deficient in B12, vegan or not. Most people need to supplement methylcobalamin.

>Restricting things like egg, or say milk for example would extremely reduce your protein intake.

How much protein do you think humans need? How much do you think body builders need? Do you think vegans are protein deficient? Do you realize protein deficiency isn't a real thing, and only exists as a byproduct of starvation? Are you aware that the strongest man in Germany is a full blown vegan?

If you go vegan and actually eat whole foods and take 5 seconds to check the nutritional value of your food, you can easily avoid these types of health concerns.

Are you aware that it is illegal to label or advertise eggs as "safe" - "healthy" - or "nutritious"? Are you aware that dairy consumption directly correlates with rates of osteoporosis around the globe? This is because when you consume animal protein, the acidity in your blood raises, which causes your body to leech the phosphate out of the calcium-phosphate in your bones, and you urinate out the calcium. You're literally pissing away your bone density by drinking milk and consuming animal protein. Beyond this, look into our worlds deadliest disease, CAD/atherosclerosis, and how elevated cholesterol clogs the arteries. Look at levels of IGF1 in the blood between meat eaters and plant eaters. You have to cherry pick pretty hard to go into nutrition and come out with the idea that animals are healthy for us to consume.

>As for the animal cruelty part, well plants are living things too. Just because they don't show pain, does not necessarily mean they don't feel it.

Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. So, if they are feeling "pain", it's something that you couldn't even begin to relate to or comprehend. We cannot confirm that plants feel anything, we can only confirm that plant cells react to stimulus, which tells us basically nothing other than it's organic.

But lets say plants were alive and did feel pain; then you should still be vegan. 80% of agricultural land is used to feed or house livestock. If we stopped eating animals, we wouldn't have to kill so many plants to feed them. The way to cause the least amount of suffering to plants, animals, and humans, is to be vegan.

You've gotta think this stuff out. And go vegan.

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 No.30

>>27

Doesn't a vegan-only died also restrict complete proteins? Is it true you can get complete proteins from rice and beans together?


 No.33

>>30

All of the protein that you get from animals, they got from plants. All plants contain protein.

Yes vegans have access to complete protein amino acid profiles. Basically if you eat some kind of vegetable, legume, and leafy green every day, then every day you'll be getting a complete protein ratio. Add some nuts and seeds and you're golden.


 No.44

>>33

>all of the protein that you get from animals, they got from plants.

Imagine actually believing this. This would only be true of strictly herbivorous animals, of which there are none. Even herbivores will eat animal food given the opportunity. The ruminant animals you may be trying to refer to, have digestive systems that bear little to no resemblance to our own. For example, a cow has an additional ferementing stomach which allows it to convert grass into fatty acids, and that fat is the animals fuel source. If you or I eat the same grass, this conversion does not take place.

Btw yes, there are 15 essential nutrients that do not exist in plants. Period. In addition to this fact, the on-paper nutrition values of plant micronutrient content are generally highly overestimated due to lack of bioavailability of plant forms of vitamins and minerals. I’ll be happy to list the 15 nutrients I’m referring to and talk about the paper value vs real value in more depth if anyone (other than homo OP) is interested.


 No.69

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>>44

>Imagine actually believing this. This would only be true of strictly herbivorous animals

Wrong. Where did the animal that the animal ate get its protein? What about that animal? From plants, retard.

>Btw yes, there are 15 essential nutrients that do not exist in plants.

Name them. And make sure to check whether or not their actually essential on fucking google before I have to correct you some more.

Before you say B12, remember that most people are deficient in B12 despite not being vegan. We should all be supplementing some kind of B12. More good news, supplements are vegan!

How have you gone on this long without actually answering the question or making an actual argument against veganism?

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 No.72

>>69

When a cow eats grass, the grass sits in a secondary fermenting stomach where it is slowly converted to fatty acids through bacterial fermentation. When a human eats the same grass, does this same process occur in the human digestive system? If not, how do we extract nutrition from the grass, and is it primarily carb, protein, or fat?

And I said I would list them for someone other than OP, which is you, but maybe if you stop banhammering me because you're butthurt, I could list them.


 No.74

>>72

I banned you because you went into every thread and made random claims with no evidence, and didn't seem interested in a good faith conversation. If you are, then sit in the main thread and we'll talk there.

>When a cow eats grass, the grass sits in a secondary fermenting stomach where it is slowly converted to fatty acids through bacterial fermentation. When a human eats the same grass, does this same process occur in the human digestive system? If not, how do we extract nutrition from the grass, and is it primarily carb, protein, or fat?

Plants are primarily complex carbs. Humans can't digest grass lol, so we can't get the protein from grass. But cows DO get protein from grass, then we TAKE that protein, which still CAME FROM GRASS.

And you can't list them, because they don't exist. You're a fucking sophist. You wont list them because you know I'm going to fucking nuke your pride and any reason to not be vegan when you do.


 No.76

>>74

There's only like 7 threads, and I didn't see any rule that requires every post to be corroborated with scientific studies.

All your rebuttal here is doing, is pointing out the obvious fact that plants are at or near the bottom of the food chain. Where did the plant derive its nutrients? From the soil. So according to your juvenile thought experiment, we can skip over plants as well and just eat dirt.

BRB with the nutrient list


 No.78

>>76

>There's only like 7 threads, and I didn't see any rule that requires every post to be corroborated with scientific studies

I don't expect scientific studies I expect people who are as vehemently opposed as you to have at least prepared some kind of formal argument or reasons to not be vegan, and to not spam every thread in the same manner.

>All your rebuttal here is doing, is pointing out the obvious fact that plants are at or near the bottom of the food chain. Where did the plant derive its nutrients? From the soil. So according to your juvenile thought experiment, we can skip over plants as well and just eat dirt.

You're so retarded, it's sad. Anon, we can't survive on dirt. Plants are optimally nutritionally and morally.


 No.80

>Anon, we can't survive on dirt. Plants are optimally nutritionally and morally.

You're argument was that animals get their nutrition from plants, therefore we should go directly to the source of the nutrition, the plants. But the plants get all of their constituent parts from the growth medium, the dirt, so why can't we get our nutrition from the true source? Is it not digestible? If not, how does it become digestible once the plant has absorbed it?


 No.83

>>80

>You're argument was that animals get their nutrition from plants, therefore we should go directly to the source of the nutrition

No, my argument is we shouldn't kill animals for food when we can eat plants, and it's optimal for health anyway. I never said "we need to go to the source". I said we filter nutrients through animals, which we do, because it would be more efficient to just eat the plants ourselves, for morals and health.

How do you not see your sophistry at work?

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 No.88

>it would be more efficient to just eat the plants ourselves, for morals and health.

Reread this statement you made and really think about whether it makes any sense or if it's the ramblings of a brainwashing victim.

If you have to call someone a "sophist" 10 times, you're out of shit to say.

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 No.91

eat some meat you fucking pussy


 No.151

>>15

>plants are living things too

Not all plant based food require destroying living plant. For example, grains are harvested when they're already dead. Fruits are seed carriers that fall down from the trees/bushes themselves.


 No.153

>>151

Not all animal foods require destroying living animals. For example, unfertilized eggs fall out of a chickens ass and rot on the ground if you don't do anything with them just like fruits.


 No.157

>>153

If you eat eggs you're still a vegetarian, retard.


 No.170

>>27

Way more than B12 and dirt is not edible.


 No.235

>>153

If that was what's happening, if you were picking an egg that fallen out of free wild hen's ass on the ground and was abandoned then this analogy could roughly work. But that's not how egg industry works, actually it requires things worse than killing a hen.


 No.516

Drinking milk is still supporting the rape if cows

Eating eggs is still supporting the murder of male chicks/nuggets




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