/vg/ - Video Game Generals

>>9305

You intentionally made your Destroyer arena over your base?

>>9645

why not :^)

The NPCs respawn in a day or two anyway. Part of me actually wishes they didn't and you had to find them somehow instead, that would give you more of an incentive to protect them.

Also I realized that I died because I'm used to always getting titanium instead of adamantite, titanium is vastly superior for boss battles.

Waiting for 1.3 is my fucking halflife 3

Should I reinstall and play or wait till 1.3?

>>9770

As long as you don't start a serious and thorough playthrough, I don't think you can spoil the 1.3 experience.

>>9888

all you gotta do is shit toast

>>9888

break block

place block

break enemy

>>9699

Lucky, I always get Adamantite worlds.

Well, it took a while, but I finally totally deconstructed and stored my old base, and did it the old-fashioned way. Which was a bit less tedious thanks to the new auto-cursor stuff, which is cool. Really helped with tearing walls down. So now all that's left is waiting for the update. Well, that and eventually moving all that stored loot to the new map, which is gonna be a pain too. More items like the piggy bank and safe would really be nice in that regard.

>>10424

Oh wow, that is some poor luck indeed, I've never seen an altar spawn in such a small space. I'd suggest either getting a picksaw from another map/character to fix that or try making another map just for a better temple and altar location.

And I think the golem does enrage now, as a "fix" for how super easy he originally was if you built your arena just right. Now if he can't reach you he gets mad, if I remember correctly.

>>10553

I managed to beat it by facetanking it with spectre armor healing effect and leaf gun. I'm not sure which is more cheaty, using a different character to modify the natural generation, or using spectre armor.

>And I think the golem does enrage now, as a "fix" for how super easy he originally was if you built your arena just right

That's what I thought too, he was shooting lasers much faster than I thought he should, and he went straight into machinegun mode as soon as I destroyed one of his hands.

>So now all that's left is waiting for the update. Well, that and eventually moving all that stored loot to the new map

Oh boy I am not looking forward to that part, I have so many chests full of stuff I've collected over time. I'm excited to get to building a new base though.

I wonder if there's any/many new NPCs in 1.3. It's about time we get a mercenary or something that will protect the other idiots from the inevitable mobs that get in during blood moon because some stupid NPC gets lost and opens a door.

>tfw only quarterly updates anymore, and console version is still over a year behind pc

>>10559

I'd say different characters are definitely cheatier. Powerful or not, spectre armor isn't comparable to pulling in someone from an alternate parallel future to fix a problem using an item you theoretically shouldn't have yet. The design intends for you to beat the golem before being able to change anything in the temple, but totally allows for doing it with spectre armor. Though with that said, I'm bringing a picksaw over to my new world to start with regardless. I've already played Terraria so much and started from scratch multiple times, I see no problem with skipping the initial relatively sloooowwwww digging of early game tools this one time.

An NPC who can guard the area would be cool, but thanks to the addition of switches that are only triggered by players, NPCs wandering off and accidentally opening doors is thankfully a thing of the past. It never quite looks right, but toggled blocks rigged to player-only pressure plates keep those lower entrances safe. Now if only we could get "locked" doors that are only opened by switches, we'd have security and doors that look like doors.

Of course, stuff like wraiths that can go through solid blocks would still be a problem regardless, so a special block that's solid to those as well, or at least harms them, would be the final step in bases that are secure and look good at the same time. The empty space underneath solution has aesthetic issues like the toggled block doors.

In any case, come on update! It's been over a year since I did anything but tear down that old base, I'm good and ready for more Terraria now.

Wasn't this supposed to get a linux port? Was that scrapped or is it still being worked on?

>>10681

It was announced last year, but I can't recall hearing anything after that. They already had screenshots then: http://terraria.org/news/terraria-for-mac-linux-in-development

I wonder if it will be a part of the 1.3 release?

So I'm getting back into this game having not played since before 1.1. Back before there was a social tab, back before there was anything except the guide, I think.

I dunno. Last I remember, clothing didn't do much, and there wasn't a pure cosmetic option. I remember the minishark though.

I see they've added a shit ton.

…what am I in for?

>>10950

>…what am I in for?

A wild ride.

If you can wait exactly 1 month though, 1.3 is coming out then which will be yet another major update. I would highly recommend waiting if you can, because it not only expands endgame, but it seems to have a ton of overall gameplay enhancements like new backgrounds, UI improvements, NPC AI improvements, a new gamemode which has improved enemy AI, and world generation changes & additions.

>>10953

>Exactly 1 month

Got my fingers crossed, but I'll believe it's out on June 30th when I'm playing it on June 30th.

>>10953

Okay, but why do I need to wait? Does the update erase any generated worlds or something?

>>10988

Bump. How do client updates affect worlds you've already made?

>>10954

That's the planned release date, but of course anything can happen.

>>10988

Well, it's just that you can get a better experience if you wait. For instance, you will have to make a new world anyway in order to see the new world generation. You will have to start over to experience all the new stuff along the way. But at that point you would already have played through the game once, so it's not the same.

>>11016

It generally doesn't affect them in any way, but it will have old world generation so it'll lack any new stuff you might be supposed to have.

>>11026

>is there a release date for 1.3 yet?

30th June

>>11019

>>11018

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. Thanks guys.

>>11359

Good breakdown anon. It seems like a fun thing to try once, if not all the time.

Thanks for being our guinea pig.

>>11390

>Mainly play on PC

>Play on phone when that's not available.

I'm glad to hear that they're improving the mobile side. These guys have definitely earned my money and respect.

I really wish they had some way to sync worlds ans characters between all the platforms though.

>>11519

The balloon bundle is cute though, why would you hide it?

>>11519

Oh nevermind, you're using your social slots as extra storage space.

>>11529

It doesn't suit my ninja getup

>>11529

Wow I just realized what you meant by "hiding accessories". Took me only 24 hours.

I thought you were talking about the fact that I cropped it out of the video, but more than likely you meant clicking the eye icon so it doesn't show up on the character.

How bad is the Vita version of Terraria?

>>12402

>achievements

Embrace the achievement whore in your heart. Gotta get them all.

>tfw have to hide terraria threads in /v/ because people are spoiling everything about the whole update before it's even released

>>12491

If you want vidya, you have 3 options:

1. browse this dead board

2. go to /v/

3. go to cancerchan

Right now I mostly have one big question:

Long-term, would it be better to make my primary build-my-fancy-base-and-everything world a normal or Expert one? If Expert's too much of a pain, it might be better to "live" in a normal world. But if Expert's ultimately where it's at, and isn't TOO different in towns, seems like that'd be where to settle in. Otherwise what, I gotta take whatever the special Expert loot is (and anything else worthwhile I find there) back to my normal world? That'd be a pain.

>>12526

So far expert mode seems like sort of a chore. Everything except the yo-yos are worth using because the enemies have so much fucking HP that my ammo melts away like butter in a volcano when trying to get around, and the enemies spawn faster than I can kill them in some cases.

I've only killed eye of cthulhu though, so I haven't got far yet and therefore can't give a good opinion. But the endgame enemies were sort of tough already in 1.2.4 that I can only imagine how annoying they may be in expert mode.

On the other hand, your main world is probably where you'll spend most of your effort building a boss arena in, and expert bosses seem pretty tough.

>>12530

>On the other hand, your main world is probably where you'll spend most of your effort building a boss arena in, and expert bosses seem pretty tough.

This, to me, is the biggest reason to settle into Expert. I don't really like juggling multiple worlds and it's safe to assume I'll want to deal with Expert stuff sooner or later anyway. In which case I'll need boss arenas and so on and overall have the greatest need to build in Expert world when all is said and done. It just better not turn out to have some obnoxious new base-destroying enemy like clowns back when they could blow your stuff up.

Anyone else have trouble finding spider nests and mushroom biomes? I've found a crapton of those new stone biomes, but 0 spider nests, and the only mushroom biome I found had like 10 blocks left because it was eaten by one of those white biomes and lava.

>>12550

The white biomes are marble biomes. The black biomes are granite biomes. Granite biomes are hell, while the marble biomes seem pretty chill so far.

>>12603

>marble biomes seem pretty chill so far

Medusas are a massive pain in the ass though

Is being a mage something I should try? I usually just go ranger and build a fuck ton of towers everywhere.

Also, is there a type of block I can grapple onto but I can't stand on? It'd be really useful for getting around.

>>12651

You can grapple on mine cart tracks but you can't stand on them. Or you could just ride them.

So there's that accessory that displays everything, a cellphone or something? And I've got all the parts but the weather/fishing/etc component, which I don't have even a single piece of. Where does that stuff come from? Do you get it from fishing somehow?

>>12704

You gotta complete fishing quests for the 3 pieces it

>>12706

So… do I just start fishing first or does the fishing NPC (I assume exists from reading the achievements) show up for some other reason then I start fishing?

I realize I could check the wiki but I'd probably be tempted to check waaayyyyy more stuff once I got there.

>>12707

You find him on the beach/sea, I don't think you need to start fishing for him to appear.

>>12805

I totally agree. There's that one background that's waaayyy better than the rest, the one with the mountains and lake. And trying to get that without something else being wrong shouldn't be so hard. If there isn't a way to "earn" world creation settings, there's no reason I can see that it shouldn't just be options you can choose at world creation. Random chance isn't fun or a meaningful challenge, and can the options really be that hard to code in compared to everything else?

Incidentally, after getting a couple worlds with that background, I noticed that they all seemed oddly flat. Personally, I like a world with a good deal of height variation, but eventually I gave up on trying to get that AND the right background and Crimson and a not-pink dungeon. Is it possible that world generation has some connection to background? The ones with the floating rocks and cliffs backgrounds were always really jagged and uneven, which does kinda fit with the background.

>>12815

Yeah, I think you should deserve custom world gen after you defeat the final boss or something. Maybe you'd need to beat it on elite mode separately in order to get custom elite world gen.

>Is it possible that world generation has some connection to background?

That's something I just started noticing too. The background seemed to be relevant to the generation, the forest BG had tall trees, flat plains-like backgrounds usually had flat generation, etc.

One thing is for sure though: the generation has some kind of settings that influence the whole world at once. Sometimes I get this sort of "tiny" generation, those ledges on the surface are so small you can barely fit under them, the crimson entrances are really small, dungeon is very claustrophobic, trees are short, caves seem cramped, and the terrain is very rough and goes up and down a lot.

>>12818

The problem with earning it is that you only get the options after going through the whole game? I like to mix my building and fighting/exploring/etc, which means the world I go all the way to the end with is also the world I did lots of building in. That combination is the one thing that makes Terraria good. So unless you can unlock custom world gen and then time travel it back to making the initial world, by the time you unlocked it it'd be too late to matter for me. At least, short of another significant update, which is when I'm okay with starting fresh. So in that case, it should just be available by default if you ask me.

>>12867

Awesome, I was looking out for exactly this. Well, ideally it'd be an updated list of everything, but even just having the new blocks right there is pretty great. Thanks a lot!

On a different note, I thought I remembered one of the many, many listed updates being the ability to craft water candles, but I haven't figured out how or seen mention of it anywhere. Am I just being crazy?

>>12918

I'll update the full list when I've completed the game and built a new base, because I don't want to look at the full patch notes (and therefore find if I'm missing some blocks) until I run out of obvious things to do. Might take until next weekend or something.

>craft water candles

Those are so abundant though, why would you even need to craft them?

>>12805

Oh my god this.

I've spent fucking days worth of hours JUST generating worlds that aren't totally fucked. Corrpution/Crimson in/anywhere near jungle? Trashed.

>>12958

>crimson overlapping jungle

trashed

>crimson in the middle of snow

trashed

>crimson in the beach

trashed

>snow falling anywhere near spawn

trashed

>sea that's elevated way above ground and has a vertical wall in front of it

trashed

>shit terrain with a million holes on the ground and glitchy looking pillar formations everywhere so you have to be constantly jumping/climbing/building bridges no matter where you go

trashed

>>12972

>sea that's elevated way above ground and has a vertical wall in front of it

Is it just me or does that happen more since the update? And why does that happen at all?

All that other stuff you mentioned sucks too, aside from snow near spawn, which only kinda sucks. I actually like the snow theme, and a snow base would mostly be cool, except the snow background, which is a big downgrade from my favorite. I wish there were snow versions of the standard backgrounds, that'd be nice.

So I just checked the wiki, but it left me two questions about fishing: Is one bucket of water equal to one tile of water? Thus, pouring X buckets of water somewhere yields a water source X tiles big if there was no water already?

Also, does having a body of water more than 300 tiles in size make for even better fishing, or is it only penalties below 300 and passing that makes no additional improvement?

>>12972

>>crimson in the middle of snow

>trashed

Why? That's literally the best place for your crimson or corruption to spawn in, it can't spread in the snow. Can it?

>>13237

Water can be duped through some complicated pump system methods, but basically yeah, 1 bucket of water is 1 tile of water.

>>13239

>it can't spread in the snow

It can.

>>13240

Okay, cool, one bucket is one tile, that makes it easy to know if I hit the size requirement.

As for getting water itself, there's plenty around, the only annoyance is inventory shuffling. Which, granted, is soooooo much better now that buckets stack, but why stop at 99? It'd be even easier if I could just have one huge stack of fulls and one huge stack of empties rather than moving three 99 stacks back and forth. Speaking of which, why doesn't everything that stacks stacks to 999 anyway? Or at the very least, 256 would make sense too, but why does so much stop at 99 or 50 or 30 still? It just makes inventory and storage a little more annoying and doesn't really fit with any standard variable sizes either. Heck, even 999 makes a little less sense since the game can potentially display 4-digit stack sizes. Suffice it to say, inventory management remains the biggest thorn in my Terraria side.

>>13282

I think spreading biomes can spread through most every naturally occurring block, right? Dirt, mud, stone, sand, snow, ice… So stopping spread is a matter of empty space or practically any block type you make yourself. Or dungeon brick, and I'm not sure about raw granite and marble.

Come to think of it, can they spread through walls? I know those flower walls in the jungle turn along with everything else, but I've never been clear if it spreads through them, or just the grass on blocks which then turns nearby walls corrupt too. Actually, for that matter, does it only travel through grass or through the dirt/mud itself? Man, now that I think about it I really don't fully understand how biomes spread. I usually just dig lots of 4-block spaces and clentaminate away. And miss stuff I guess since it comes back, rinse and repeat. Which lead me to wonder if walls are the source of the spread.

>>13239

>>13288

It can only spread through grass, stone, and ice.

It will not spread to dirt or mud if it doesn't have grass on it. It will also convert nearby mud into dirt therefore permanently destroying the jungle.

It can't spread through walls, the nearby walls just convert within it's range.

>>13299

Believe me, I know all about jungle destruction. And unless I'm mistaken, we still don't have a solution that turns dirt back to mud. That can't possibly be technically difficult to implement, so why hasn't it happened yet? People have been wanting that for a loooong time.

In other news, is there any way to fish without being bothered by monsters? I've tried building little rooms right on top of the water, but stuff still comes up through the bottom, which has to be open for the lure to reach the water. And if I put the walls in the water, then it's cutting off the surface calculation.

>>13379

I'm pretty sure the patch notes said something about chlorophyte turning dirt into mud and reversing corruption or something. I've seen crimson breaking right through huge chlorophyte patches though, so I dunno about that. I also spread chlorophyte all over the surface because a crimson hive spawned on it and ruined it, but nothing has happened to it in days.

>is there any way to fish without being bothered by monsters?

Summoning minions work pretty well. Also put a peace candle or whatever that is on a table, along with campfire and heart lantern. That way you can avoid most monsters and heal faster if something attacks you.

>>13379

> is there any way to fish without being bothered by monsters?

Build a wall around yourself or fish underwater inside a bubble. I usually just make my house at the beach these days.

>>13380

I guess summoning would help, having started mostly fresh I haven't gotten any combat minions yet. Speaking of which, can they go in the new pet slot? Because that'd sure be convenient instead of manually summoning them like before. Just having stuff automatically is great and the game needs more stuff to work that way. Speaking of which, one dedicated weapon slot with its own use key like grappling hooks have would be great too.

Also durr, peace candles, totally forgot those exist.

>>13382

Fishing underwater? That's a pretty good idea actually and would keep most stuff away. I'm probably going to do that.

>>13383

You seriously got rid of it all with just purification powder? Seriously? Dang, I don't even want to think of doing it that way. Also, is this not your main world? Because no crimson means missing out on some useful monster drops.

>>13384

There's no slot for summoning minions.

I want a hotkey for rod of discord, fishing rod, and magic mirror.

>>13385

Adding generic slots with dedicated hotkeys would be fine too. Mostly I'm just sick of constantly going back and forth between what I was using/placing and weapon slots every time a monster comes up to me while mining or building. Simply pressing one button to attack with my dedicated weapon, without switching my currently selected slot otherwise, would be great. Press one hotkey, hit monster, and back to what I was doing.

In fact, if you ask me, while it gets the job done, the old bar system is not the best interface and/or way of using things possible at all. If it were up to me, I'd sure do things differently. Getting stuff is tons of fun, endless swapping what slot you have selected and what's in the bar at all is not. Since Terraria has made small, but important strides forward with the additional dedicated slots, I hope Otherworld follows that trend of finding ways to do more things more conveniently. Enjoying the benefits of the new stuff you get as you go should not gradually become more and more of a chore to actually use it all.

>>13384

Just save some crimson seeds and build a room of it somewhere where it cannot spread, like in the sky. And yeah, I really did do that, it took a couple full days.

>>13386

Minecraft has a similar problem with inventory management.

I think the hotbar itself is inherently flawed when the game has hundreds of items. Terraria's ability to pick up any item from inventory and using it is a step forward, but doesn't really fix it.

Terraria also has a problem with item cooldowns, since you can't switch your item while you're swinging a sword for example, it can become a real pain in the ass to switch items.

There's minecraft mods that give you multiple switchable hotbars, but that's not necessarily a solution either.

I think one way to fix it would be to give the player an ability to bind any key into any slot (or any item) in the inventory. So if you wanted, you could press G to use/select the bottom left item from your inventory, for example. Or you could re-map the number keys so they go backwards. This way you technically wouldn't even need special equipment slots or even special hotkeys for hooks/pets since you could just custom assign any key to any slot.

>>13388

>Minecraft has a similar problem with inventory management.

I completely agree. I also totally agree that hotbars are especially bad in the context of games with this many items. (I also think that inventory management in general is too much of a hassle in both games for that matter.) It seems to me that there are plenty of ways to help the matter, but for some reason nobody really seems to care to. Again, the dedicated item slots Terraria has now are great, but haven't gone far enough.

Your idea to assign a key to any inventory slot is pretty good, though it lacks getting additional storage spaces. Which leads me to another complaint: Terraria (and to a lesser extent Minecraft) keep adding more stuff, but your inventory doesn't increase to keep pace. I mean, just try walking through some Jungle. There are more random plants and monster drops than you have spaces for one stack of each. I'm not saying I want to hold everything at once, but you should be able to handle one biome worth of stuff at a time. I've long wished for inventory space to be upgradable as you go, just like getting more life and mana.

However, can't say I've ever found that simply waiting for the sword swing animation to finish being an issue personally. Mostly it's just argh, why does left click have to be the only button that can use anything? Why do PC games love to do that? Sure, you can hotkey selecting everything, but that's just choosing to select it, at best everything is at least two buttons away from being used. Why can't there be more keys assigned to directly using things than just left click? I'm getting off on a tangent here, and I realize that designing for controllers is different, but Arkham City's setup allowed Batman to have so many different actions just one button away and its equivalent to the hotbar managed to give you 12 items with only four selection keys needed to select from them. There are better options than the exact same hotbar system we've had since Doom was new.

Also, there's mods that give you multiple hotbars in Minecraft? I didn't know that. I mean, it's not perfect, but multiple hotbars has long been on my personal list of things I'd do differently if I were in the design chair. Toggling between a building bar and a combat bar would certainly be an improvement and reduce hotbar swapping.

Oh, and what do you mean about

>Terraria's ability to pick up any item from inventory and using it

>>13390

I often find myself swinging my sword for like 10 extra seconds because I try to switch items in the middle of action. I try to switch the item and then immediately use it, but my previous swing animation hadn't finished yet so I swing it another time instead of using the item I thought I selected, and then it keeps happening over and over because I'm panicking since nothing is going the way I intended.

>inventory space

I'm personally not a fan of slot-based inventories unless the game is designed for that in some way. I think it's stupid that your inventory is completely filled by 50 different flowers, while you can easily can carry around 40000 stone blocks. Weight based inventory is much better for this kind of stuff IMO, but interestingly none of these type of games seem to utilize it. Non-stackable items are particularly stupid, because if you pick up a sword, it will take an entire slot that could hold 999 other items.

Completely agree that there should be inventory upgrades as they keep adding more items. If I want to pick up everything, I can fill up my safe and piggybank and inventory all in 15 minutes while exploring in endgame gear and that stardust minion. Having to leave stuff behind rustles my jimmies, but it keeps happening no matter where I go because of the amount of shit dropping off of everything.

>Also, there's mods that give you multiple hotbars in Minecraft?

Might be part of a bigger mod or something. The problem however is that mods adds another bazillion new items and mechanics, so having 2 hotbars isn't necessarily enough either.

But speaking of different hotbars, another interesting thing could be the ability to scroll your hotbar down in your inventory. So you press a key and the hotbar will contain the second row of items instead of the first.

>Oh, and what do you mean about >Terraria's ability to pick up any item from inventory and using it

I mean how you can pick for example a table to your mouse and then place it, so you don't have to put it into your hotbar at all.

>>13391

>it's stupid that your inventory is completely filled by 50 different flowers, while you can easily can carry around 40000 stone blocks.

I agree, there's no logic to purely slot and stack-based systems whatsoever. But I can deal with that, it's the tedium of inventory management that drives me crazy. Like you said, at this point Terraria has so much stuff you can easily overwhelm your inventory just by killing stuff, and inventory management is neither fun in itself or a meaningful challenge. And yeah, games just keep doing that same stuff. My guess is that when, for example, Red sat down and started Terraria he really gave any thought to inventory. Just eh, hotbar and some arbitrary amount of slots, worked for Minecraft, right? Which itself copied previous games and so on because eh, worked for that game too. Designers keep not fixing what isn't broken, but if you ask me, this standard system IS broken. If you look at what creative thinking has allowed console games to cram into one controller, PC games should have no problem doing far more with an entire mouse and keyboard to work with. They simply aren't trying. Not that any new content is a bad thing, but if Terraria ever gets any more updates, I'd say interface and inventory fixes are more needed than yet more furniture at this point. And seriously, how hard could more inventory space be to add? Even simply permanently welding piggy bank and safe space into your default personal inventory space would be a huge improvement, though upgradable space would be ideal, since that fixes the problem AND gives you more meaningful loot to hunt down. Upgradable inventory is a must on my dream whatever genre Terraria and Minecraft are project. If possible, you'd add slots AND increased stack size for maximum upgrades. Because I love upgrading. Though going with a purely weight-based system is an option too. Either way, inventory space should grow with progress.

As for more hotbars, I realize they wouldn't fix the swapping problem entirely. It's just, as Terraria is right now, 10 slots for your weapons, tools, mirror, and some building materials does not cover what you most commonly use. But say you got two bars, that's 20 slots. That would cover the most commonly, repeatedly used stuff and bar swapping wouldn't be eliminated, but it would plummet. If the only time I had to swap is when I was spreading otherwise seldom used furniture and decorations around my base, I'd be a happy camper.

>you can pick for example a table to your mouse and then place it

You can? I had no idea. Which reminds me of another thing: Terraria does a terrible job of explaining itself. Without wikis and discussions like this, there's so much stuff it'd be about impossible to get from the game itself, and I can say from direct personal experience that it looses potential players because of that. Plus, I just don't think one should have to go on the Internet just to understand how the size of a lake is calculated and what that has to do with fishing. Or that enough NPCs together suppress monsters, or that you can shift-click to move stuff faster, etc.

>>13396

>You can? I had no idea

Yep, doesn't work with the auto-pause feature enabled though, I think.

>Terraria does a terrible job of explaining itself.

I think that's partly another case of "it worked for minecraft so why bother solving the problem". But simultaneously, getting confused prompts you to go into the community and socialize, which I think can help captivating the user into the game to some degree.

I dislike tutorials, but I think teaching how to use the game is a worthy cause for a tutorial, especially when it's a game where you're dropped into the world and left to fend for yourself. You can't "fail" a mission if you don't know about a certain feature, you'll just never use it and end up missing out. A lot of people even seem to miss the crafting grid. The guide does an OK job at telling you roughly what to do such as building houses to have NPCs move in.

I think the player should be able to ask advice from any NPC.

- Guide would give basic info about how to use the game

- Dryad would give tips about useful potions (like dangersense, since a lot of people seem not to use them)

- Steampunker would tell you some intricate technicalities of corruption and hallow and their spread

- Nurse would tell you about campfires and heart lanterns

- Demolitionist would hint that bombs can destroy some blocks that weak pickaxes cannot

- Angler would give info about how and when and where to fish for best results

- Arms dealer would hint you to throw the guide doll into lava (since he seems to hate the guide) and also give combat tips

- Merchant would give money making tips

- Pirate would tell you how to summon Fishron

- Clothier would hint that dungeon guardian has a special drop

- Goblin tinkerer would tell you that he's a greedy jew

- Wizard would mention something about Truffles living in surface mushroom biomes

- Traveling merchant would tell you he saw a floating island, and wonders how to get up there (and something unique relating to that if he happens to spawn up in the space)

>>13398

I usually play single player and always have auto-pause on, so I guess that's why I missed it. I don't do much building when playing co-op, just teaming up to fight wave events.

Anyway, you have a point that being utterly confused does encourage more online interaction and whatnot, but considering how off-putting it also is, I doubt it's a net gain. And besides, people are perfectly capable of talking about games online without the need for figuring out basic mechanics. As I see it, wikis and message boards are fine for figuring out the really advanced stuff, but shouldn't be necessary for the basics, which Terraria hardly explains in-game at all. And even when it does, it doesn't give enough detail. My nephew, who I just finally sold on the game after two failed attempts, (and total hand-holding on the final successful try,) found about every way to screw up housing before getting it right. The Guide tells you it needs furniture and light, but he never says it has a minimum space requirement. And the difference between natural and player-placed walls sure isn't an intuitive thing, that tripped me up when I was a noob too. Seriously, why should it matter whether you personally put that dirt wall there?

However, I do agree that full-on tutorials aren't necessary, I think we're on the same page about NPCs simply explaining more stuff if you bother to talk to them. I'm not saying the game should shove every little detail in your face at the start, and games being too tutorial-heavy at the front is often a bad thing, but the information should be available in-game if you want it, is all. And with a little more carrot and stick design planning, getting NPCs the chance to explain the most basic things before you say, first buy stuff or get accessories reforged, would make sure they get heard a little, and players realize they might have more useful info. What they currently say has almost no in-game application, it's just flavor text. Combine that with a better designed inventory/crafting menu with simple additional features es like listing items you've already made or gotten recipes/plans for, and the whole thing would be waaaay smoother. And again, this isn't advanced stuff, plenty of other games have handled elaborate crafting and in-game explanations far more smoothly for a long time now.

Incidentally, I'm another person who hardly ever uses buff potions. A lot of it comes down to my irrational hatred for inventory juggling, having and using potions means another thing to shuffle around and take up space I already have too little of. Plus, once they've been active for several minutes, I get so used to the effect I forget it's temporary at all and forget to re-activate it. Which in the case of lava swimming, actually got me killed a few times, when it ran out too deep in lava to get to safety in time. While my hatred of manually using and restocking consumables is a personal problem, (I hardly ever use ammo for the same reason,) the game could at least actively draw your attention to a buff expiring. Or maybe automatically consume a replacement? Like, food is so easy to come by, I could easily be Well Fed at all times, it's just a pain to remember to eat. If I could just park a big stack somewhere and the next food were eaten automatically when the last expired, that'd be cool. Anyway, whether it's Terraria or literally any other game, I VASTLY prefer constant effects to temporary effects you have to manually renew. And were it up to me, I'd design around that preference. For example, ammo would effectively be a modification to its firing device, not a consumable resource. Buffs would be something you slot in as fits your preference and/or build, not chug a potion for.

So I've finally reached that point where I'm farming the moon lord but I gotta go thru the bullshit invasion every other time because I run out of fragments. Is there any way to easily get through the event quickly? I'm sick of dealing with projectiles that do over 100 dmg to me when I'm wearing endgame armor.

>>13544

Isn't there a summoning item for the last boss now?

>>13544

>projectiles that do over 100 dmg to me when I'm wearing endgame armor.

Yeesh, that sucks. I haven't gotten there yet, but I was hoping that new equipment stacked up against new endgame enemies better. Are you in Expert mode?

>>13557

there is and it take 20 of each fragment to make and you get like ~35 of each from the event

>>13559

no im not even in expert mode, i cant even imaging how obnoxious this is in expert mode

>>12867

Sooo… Any progress on making a new final version with all the new and old together?

>>13671

Oh wow, so complete and your replay came sooner than I expected. Thanks a bunch!

The furniture list is definitely cool too, but is it… scaled down a bit? Things look slightly small and blurry.

>>13672

>is it… scaled down a bit? Things look slightly small and blurry.

I don't think so, I used Terraria's screenshot tool though so I'm not 100% sure. If I ever get it finished, I'll take manual screenshots because that gives a little bit more accurate representation of what they look like.

>>13673

Okay, I feel dumb. It was significantly scaled down alright, but only when trying to expand it in the thread, which it was far too big for. When I opened it in its own tab, it was good.

Though now I'm wondering how long that's been like that, until now I believed that an expanded image was expanded to full size no matter what that size was.

>>13671

Oh, and if could make just one suggestion, it would be nice if you put a wall of some sort behind the light sources and sealed them off against other light. That way, in addition to seeing the lamp or candle graphic itself, you could also see the lighting effect it gives off. Call me crazy, but color and intensity of lighting is a big factor to me, I like mood lighting in my bases.

>>13675

That would be more complicated, because I would have to spread them apart more in order to see the effect properly. They're so close right now that the lighting would just blend together.

I did think about that though, but there's so many light sources that I was too lazy to figure it out properly.

>>13867

fuck, nevermind. Opened it in Tedit and realized it's my old shitty world that I'm keeping for sentimental reasons. The filename does not represent the world name in old saves I guess.

>>13867

Thanks to 1.3 initially not displaying old worlds then changing that with one of the updates, I found out you can have multiple worlds with the same name. I just assumed the old stuff was no longer compatible forever and recycled my old favorite world name without bothering to delete the old world file. Lucky for me they must have planned for redundant world names.

So, do the various space pillar things all appear in the same place on subsequent events, or is it randomized every time?

If it's the same locations, then preparing more is a lot more practical.

>>13933

They're randomized. I think the pillars appear in roughly the same location (so putting campfires nearby may help), but which of the 4 appears there is randomized.

>>13952

Dang, I was hoping I could hang banners around where they were to make future battles easier. But even if they pop up in roughly the same places, as long as the specific type in any one spot is random, that'd at best take a looooot of banners.

Campfires and Heart Lanterns though, I can just carpet the entire surface with those, since they are plentiful. Though come to think of it, do Water Candles mean pillars can have more minions out at once?

>>13954

For what it's worth, it does appear that pillars do keep popping up close to where they were before, though which tower fills that "slot" is random. So yeah, it'd take a lot of banners to cover each pillar location. Also, is it just me or are some pillars much easier to deal with than others? The pink one gives me the most trouble.

Also, Moon Lord kicks my ass every time. There must be some trick I'm not aware of.

>>14128

Good to know, I always did like the look of hallow grass walls.

>>14205

That does look pretty cool alright.

So, are there any really easy ways to do simple file editing? Specifically, I'd just like to increase some stack sizes of items I already have. I like those special chests in the dungeon, but making a whole new world and beating Plantera just to get one of each is such a pain. So I was wondering if there's an easier way to turn my stacks of 2 or 3 of each into much bigger stacks.

>>14240

Jesus fucking Christ

>Give-me-all-the-shit-in-the-game-for-zero-effort.txt: the post

I actually sort of hate when finding treasure is THIS easy, 85% the battle of Terraria is getting a character geared and finding all the good accessories.

>>14241

What the fuck kind of biome is that in the first image? I haven't played past 1.2.4 yet.

>>14244

its the new granite biome that they added in 1.3

http://terraria.gamepedia.com/Granite_Cave

>>14240

I had no idea there was an arkhalis until I read that post. And having checked it out, dang, that does sound pretty powerful for a fresh new character

Also here I thought I had every stupidly rare item now, aside from the rod of discord. What else don't I know about?

ok so i decided to fight against the moon lord (or moonman,as i like to call him) to get his dank magic weapons

>5 kills and no magic weps

ok i guess it's fine the drop is 1/9

>10 kills and STILL no magic weps

ugh,i can only keep trying

>13 kills,only (mystic) last prism

OK SO FUCK

>17 (or so) kills,both magic weps

TO WHOEVER CODED THE RNG,FUCK YOU

>>15007

Believe me, I know that feeling. This game loves to never give you that thing you need while giving you lots of what you don't. Or, it holds out way too long, than once you finally get one of whatever, you quickly get a second and third. Just recently I spent soooo long trying to farm a corruption key. Went through 11 eclipses with candles, holding a candle, and battle potions in effect. Plus a bunch of pirate invasions and a few martian invasions, nothing. Then I finally got two corruption keys from the same invasion sitting right next to each other. I've got plenty of most special dyes, like 21 or so in some cases, but still zero of a few.

Not much to do about the weirdness of extremely low chances, but at the very least, there could easily be less single sources with an equal chance of several to many possible rewards. That's like intentionally designing the game to give you duplicates of stuff before giving you one of the rest. 10 items with a 10% chance at each, or similar, NEVER gives you an even spread of the possible results in practice.

And don't even get me started on the tinkerer's love of giving you any modifier but the one you want. I'd gladly take a more expensive but less random method.

So I was thinking: A player can only break lihzard bricks with near end-game picks, or they're indestructible. Normally this couldn't really be a problem since you'd never accidentally get inside a lihzard temple without the means to get out. But in multiplayer, you might have one player who can break them and another who can't. In which case, could the second player in this scenario build a lihzard "prison" around default spawn, thus totally screwing up the other guy? If he somehow dies, he's back in the lihzard. If he mirrors or something, back to the lihzard. Respawning in a bed could do it, but not if the other guy lihzard'd that house too, or just made sure to destroy each bed ahead of time. A rod of discord could fix that, but it's not hard to imagine the player not having one, and they sure couldn't get one once stuck. Unless player-placed lihzard bricks are different, seems like that could get pretty obnoxious.

Anyway, this really isn't about griefing, it just recently occurred to me that from a design standpoint, multiple players and stuff that's indestructible to some players but not others could be a tricky combination.

>>15066

If it really becomes an issue just grab a lizard pick off another character and only use it to escape the box and then keep on going as if nothing happened

>they're already talking about 1.3.1

And I thought we'd get peace after 1.3. Not that I'm necessarily complaining, but I want to look forward to Terraria 2 rather than be stuck with this one forever, especially if they keep stuffing it even more full of content.

I hope future updates only focus on improving the game rather than just adding more shit. And I hope the next update actually completely redoes the wiring system, so we can do some redstone-level shit.

>>15072

It isn't a problem, it's never even happened. It's simply a potential problem that came up when I was thinking about how multiplayer can clash with the kind of building limitations that allow games like this to actually have some kind of structured sequence. And to a lesser extent I was wondering if there's some workaround I wasn't thinking of, which is very possible.

>>15090

>I want to look forward to Terraria 2 rather than be stuck with this one forever

I agree. I've had tons of fun with Terraria, I'm still not done with my 1.3 time, but I'd really hope that they just focus on making a new game at this point. There definitely are changes I want to Terraria, but they're the kind of thing I doubt expansions can do. For one thing, inventory management and item usage could use a drastic overhaul, I'm not sick of the game but I AM SO TIRED OF INVENTORY MANAGEMENT SPECIFICALLY. Also, there's graphics. The sprites and tile size of default Terraria are just too small/low resolution for anything to truly look good. Gets the job done sure, but you can only do so much with character sprites about what, 24 pixels tall? I keep thinking it'd be neat to make my own visual mod stuff, but at that size, why even bother. If nothing else, Otherworld looks neat to me because at least the tiles and characters are bigger. Though it looks like it's got the same old hotbar and only 40 inventory spaces. BLEH.

Oh, and as far as new mechanics, I only want two things: First, a pressure plate activated by pressing down. Or even up. So I can finally put teleporters in high-traffic areas and not accidentally warp just by walking over them, but also not have to go to the effort of clicking tiny little switches. Putting teleporters with pressure plates under platforms has a similar effect, but looks awkward in finished bases.

Second, it'd be nice if wires glowed slightly when visible, so that you don't lose them inside blocks. Wire placement range is bigger than light penetration, and it can be hard to make sure everything's connected when you lay your wires deep into solid blocks.

>>15097

How would you prefer to improve the inventory without just giving a bazillion inventory spaces?

Weight based inventory?

Backpack upgrades?

Minecart pets that slow you down 10% per minecart?

"Teleport my inventory to spawn" potions?

Portable portal that leads into a remote chest?

>>15098

not him but i wish they would at least implement a simple inventory sorting system. like, the ability to arrange by value, amount, rarity, etc.

>>15098

Simplest answer: Just give you a gajillion inventory spaces, plus a sorting system like >>15100 said. I was thinking it could have an "All" tab, a "Weapons" tab, "Potions," and so on, to avoid the mess of seeing so much stuff at once. Which granted, would be an inconvenience too, though still less of a problem than the current -lack- of space. There is so much stuff now that the 40 spots fill up way too fast, (it's not even enough to hold one stack a piece of the enemy drops and resources in the jungle alone,) and dropping stuff off for the 137th time starts feeling like a chore, not fun. Simply throwing stuff away to clear space gets annoying since walk three feet further and whaddaya know, another 3 spider webs and a blinkroot and one hook and a random biome-specific yoyo and the 50th kill of some monster filled up your inventory AGAIN. You don't have to be a packrat to fill up all the slots, we all know that. There's just so much stuff now it inevitably happens even if you always leave your base traveling light. But if you had more slots, who would care if you always have that stack of spider webs and blinkroot seeds taking up space?

A side benefit would be the hope that the bigger inventory happens to chests too, so that I wouldn't have to devote so much base space to storage alone. Plus, with less total individual storage chests, dropping off loot would be simpler as well. also, make everything that stacks at all stack to 999. Or if possible, 9999. (Inventory as-is displays 4-digit numbers when counting multiple stacks of ammo for instance, so it can definitely fit 4 digit numbers. Though I don't know if larger variable sizes for bigger single stacks would be an issue.) Anyway, bigger stacks mean less need for individual slots and less stacks to move around. And don't tell me you never need more than 999 of something, I've gone through at least 6 full stacks of stone (turned into slab) building my base so far, and that's not even the only building material. And who knows how much wall materials.

However, those are the simplest solutions, both in terms of explanation and presumed alteration of game code. If it were up to me I'd go for more significant changes to everything from how you use stuff to equipment to how storage works, but then things start getting even more tl;dr. In any case though, my concerns are not regarding realism in inventory management, but sheer abstract convenience. Holding and using and managing your loot should be as convenient as possible to stay out of the way of the part I'm actually there for- Exploring and mining and killing monsters and such.

Also, pet minecarts are kinda neat as an idea for having more inventory, but they shouldn't come with slowdown or some other penalty. I'm fine with earning more space, building more storage chests, etc, but I don't think inventory convenience should come at the cost of a constant tradeoff. Specializing in melee or specializing in magic is fine, but inventory should not be a "this or that" tradeoff. The only cost there should be, if any, is a one-time up-front cost of earning that inventory space upgrade, much like how you have that HP boost forever once you go to the work of finding a life crystal. Or always have the extra accessory slot at no additional cost once you get a demon heart. Core inventory management mechanics themselves should theoretically be as smooth as possible at the get-go. That shouldn't need to be earned any more than proper collision detection or the ability to choose your resolution.

So about how many gold crates do I need to fish up if I want to avoid mining in Hardmode?

>>17082

Quite a lot. I made some calculations, with the objective of 118 titanium bars in mind (enough for an armor set + sword + drill + chainsaw) you'd need on average 95 gold crates. Considering all the iron and wooden crates you get in the process you'd need to fish up maybe 30 crates, 40 to be safe since it's all probabilities. Of course you get the same amount of adamantite, orichalcum and mithril, and a somewhat lower amount of palladium and cobalt, so if you want say titanium armor and adamantite tools 20 gold crates + iron and wooden crates should be plenty.