/volknet/ - Volknet

>>227

That's insane.

I'm not very technical, but I have read somewhere about an independent internet that is based on wifi (or something like it).

The current internet is made up of servers and landlines. (As far as I understand.)

So, we just make our own internet with our own servers, but instead of throwing landlines down all over, we just use wifi-type signals.

It might not be very feasible with our current technology, but I don't see why this wouldn't be possible in the near future.

>>227

>why don't we lay down literally billions of dollars worth of infrastructure

Well golly gee anon, I dunno, why don't we just do that?

>>227

Urbit

At this point the only solution is at >>>/k/

This is a fascinating topic. The world wide Web is a monopoly for the time being, but that could change.

>>228

Is it insane though? I mean, the technology would have to be all kinds of hybrids to stay incompatible with the slavenet, but how else would we protect that important? Something like that would be the target of every sovereign nation on earth. Its dangerous to governments to have uncontrolled free speech.

>>229

>implying libertarians haven't essentially done the same thing before

>implying rich libertarians wouldn't cream their pants at a free internet

>>227

>OK /pol/, bear with me on this, because it might sound kinda dumb. Just think about it.

>We all know the internet is going tits up, everybody all over the world is controlling and regulating it to death. The wild west is dying, we are entering an internet era of forced political correctness and censorship. Why then, are we still using this internet?

>Why haven't we begun to build our own?

We haven't, but other people have started down road.

>>228

>I'm not very technical, but I have read somewhere about an independent internet that is based on wifi (or something like it).

Thats right, its called project meshnet. It using a protocol called cjdns.

https://projectmeshnet.org/

>>227

Mesh networks, packet radio, uucp, hell, even BBSes will always be around. The thing is those who are motivated will ve the only participants, which removes 98% of shilling and trolling.

You gonna waste generator gas to shitpost? Doubt it.

>>227

Darknet. Listen to this JRE with Alex Winter. Yes that's Bill S. Preston, Esq. Apparently he's a smart guy who has knowledge and makes documentaries. Begin here.

>>227

meshnet is the real solution

>>230

Holy fucking shot that's cool. The possibilities of a language like that, if we could put it in its own jurisdiction rather than that of specific countries… we'd be an international superpower…

op, it's not stupid. It exists and it's called Project Meshnet. Look into CJDNS and Hyperboria

>>227

> The wild west is dying, we are entering an internet era of forced political correctness and censorship. Why then, are we still using this internet?

I use a VPN, and the 'deep web' exists. Call me stupid, but I'm not seeing the problem.

>>244

>implying there's not the NSAs jizz encrusted paws following you everywhere you go on the darkweb

>>245

That's what the VPN is for. They can't v& me if I'm behind seven proxies.

>>227

fund it

>>234

So, why aren't they doing that right now?

>>248

Probably because this plan seems a little too far fetched to put forward. If somebody made up plans and hit up the right guys, it'd go through

>>246

are there any good free VPNs?

>>227

is it going to have nukes?

>>228

Doesn't the government regulate signals? I mean to build an extranet which is completely separate from the internet wouldnt we need to have it running on an unused band? Or would we just use the current technology but reinvent the wheel and use a new language for routing? I'm fairly lay as far as tech goes so I apologize if this is retarded.

There's only one internet OP. Fight for it.

/baph/ used to have a sticky about Internet Security. I think the new mops unstickied it.

>>227

>>257

>We'd need a plethora of wealthy backers, but there are tons of rich people who dump cash on libertarian utopias all the time.

Let's make one thing clear: we need pre-rational idealism in order for this to work. There's a reason why the phrase "libertarian utopia" exists. They are not idealists but rationalists. They operate from a place of rational self-interest rather than surrendering their self-interest to an idea that is larger than themselves. Without a unifying idea amongst them, everything they try to create is nothing but a utopian pipe-dream competing with everyone elses utopian pipedream.

Yes, we can accept money from libertarian backers. Yes there are hard-nosed, rational considerations that have to be dealt with. But a nation is born out of the soul and passions of a people. Not a club with membership fees.

We would need:

Patriotism [vid related] (anthems, a founding myth, propoganda, artwork, things that inspire deep emotions)

Culture (Fraternities, Sororities, Youth Leagues) to build community, camaraderie and instill cultural values & mores

Heroes (Edward Snowden, Julian Assange)

ONE (1) Leader who is both pragmatically gifted and charismatically gifted who demonstrates idealism and character. Until such a leader should emerge, a small inner core of zealous devoted individuals. Without central leadership there is only entropy.

>>227

>Why haven't we begun to build our own?

I think some people have

>>228

>It might not be very feasible with our current technology

it is easier than you think anon, the problem is content.

as >>237 mentioned meshnet is one such project.

many people are using such systems

>https://makezine.com/2014/11/26/how-meshnets-are-changing-the-face-of-the-web/

with the proper software running in your wireless router you become the network.

the best way for this to work is as a secondary network that works along with the internet but could stand on it's own if needed.

all it takes is neighbors running the same software in their wireless router

and you don't necesarily have to be next door to each other. with proper antenna and equipment long distance links of many kilometers are possible

https://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68934&sid=e45f14513d238bef4f83dd588956c679

it can be thought of as a way to share access to the internet as well as a secondary separate network that is the complete control of the users that can operate independently

>>258

To this list I would also add

Formality: Individuals in positions of leadership within such an undertaking are to have titles, and are to be addressed by their titles, due to psychological necessity. It reinforces in peoples minds the realness of what they are part of.

>>227

>We'll slowly build up a country sized city on pylons in the ocean (preferably the Atlantic to protect against tsunamis) dedicated to running servers.

By itself, such a city is just one big juicy target. Use a combination of stationary and mobile. You have the entire ocean to roam about in. Or under.

You will need something that is stationary but able to move if necessary, or break up into smaller units. A system of submersible platforms that can dock with one another in various configurations. This would be the central hub.

There would also be a number of free-ranging platforms that can retaliate in various locations throughout the world if there is an attack on the central hub. This way, any nation that attacks the hub opens itself up to retaliation on its flank.

we sort of already have a loose meshnet in the form of piratebox, I've heard of people putting them in discreet places and powering them with "available" electricity. The data throughput isn't very good but for basic communication and small file transfer it's okay. If the commercial internet gets bad enough that there are no places left to even speak, let alone pirate gamez, then people will probably start to put together permanent meshnets with piratebox-type devices.

>>227

>While we are working on this stage, we assemble a team of the best software engineers in the world

Another reason why we need idealism and not just money. People will do a lot of things pro-Bono for something they believe in that inspires them. In this sense, a charismatic leader can be their own currency. We need a leader who can move people, and an ideal that inspires fanaticism, because ZOG monopolizes the money-supply and software engineers don't come cheap.

Crypto-currencies wouldn't be much of a substitute. They are too new to be trusted on the scale that we're talking about here. We would still need a strong and charismatic leader in order to inspire trust in some kind of novel currency.

>>261

I'd propose we obtain nuclear submarines and a substantial navy. Keep a significant city or possibly a few for repairs, and keep out nukes always on the move so we remain enough of a threat that no one will mess with us.

>>264

I doubt there's any way that we would "obtain" anything nuclear. We would have to make our own nuclear energy. And be sure not to fuck it up like this guy:

http://harpers.org/archive/1998/11/the-radioactive-boy-scout/

>>267

Doesn't send jpegs

>>268

That's what SSTV is for.

>>269

lol Never knew about this.

We need a special guild devoted specifically to old-school tech.

>>265

Oh, and Iconography. What would our national animal be? I'm thinking probably something sea-related. It could even be something mythical like a sea serpent or kraken.

>OP took the time to write that long-ass tldr intro

>still spelled "secede" wrong

If I took the time to read it, I just might secede from the internet

>>241

>Navy

>5 billion

Add a zero and replace billion with trillion, and you have the starting package.

>>264

something like this anon's submersible boat idea?

>>2400307

self healing concrete with crumple zone type outer hull design to minimize depth charge damage?

>>268

Sure it does, you can trickle any kind of data you want over a protocol designed for DX, like PSK31. It'll be slow as hell, but you can do it.

If you're short range (city level), you can do 9600+ baud with little effort over VHF/UHF narrowband channels.

SDR is a very significant technology because it can implement any protocol that's within its bandwidth/stream processing capability, and that capability is quite advanced even on the low end (<$1000) right now.

A USRP, BladeRF, HackRF, etc can easily get megabit+ data throughput on complex heavily error-corrected protocols.

>>269

SSTV is 60s tech. It's a fun thing to mess with as a hobby, but digital protocols are a lot more attractive for sending large amounts of information (images), because you can apply error correction and compression coding.

Since you already pretty much need a computer to do SSTV, you might as well just jump to SDR and use a full digital protocol, rather than a digital implementation of an Apollo-era analog protocol that was designed around the properties of Vidicon tubes and CRTs.

>>275

>you can trickle any kind of data you want over a protocol designed for DX

Use it for sending decryption keys which can then be used for viewing encrypted data on the regular internet.

>>274

link?

>>267

>but what about pepe?

>>266

well of course we wouldn't have one teenager working on our entire country's nuclear program…

…though I'd invite the kid to help. He'd be young enough to instill the necessary devotion upon without having to worry about the baggage adults carry….

>>271

Probably the octopus. They're crafty little fuckers who can squeeze into the tiniest nooks to hide, which is exactly what we'd be doing with our servers.

>>275

Hey hambro.

I second this - look into PSK31, AFSK, Packet radio. You can communicate locally or thousands of miles away.

I had to stop reading at "put a bunch of pylons in the ocean"

What the fucking fuck. Yeah, great idea, 19 year old kid. Go ahead.

>>282

The contents of a website can be continuously broadcast over and over again so that anyone with a receiver can simply "tune in" to that website. This can ensure absolute privacy when passively browsing the internet, for the same reason that the government can't tell what radio station you're listening to.

>>227

Crazy talk

>>285

Bitch. If you're not a fanatic then gtfo.

>>281

do not use such symbology

>>287

Not those pics or the animal in general? Cause I think the octopus could be a fucking badass national animal…

>>290

We'd have to be a society of natural-bred sailors. It'd be rough for the first generation, but all futures would be fed nothing but what great heroes the sailors are.

>>291

No we wouldn't, we would just need resistant people who wants to fight for a cause, no nazi empire and no fucking ultra traditional sailor town, just a place we can have for us and let them sink with the rest of the world when the shit acually hits the fan hard

>>290

We cannot tie ourselves to a land-mass. The idea is a sovereign nation in the ocean. Sure we can USE land masses like Greenland & that clusterfuck of islands in Northern Canada but we need the ability to stay mobile.

>>295

How big of a setup do you need in order to transmit? Is it easy to stay mobile?

>>298

Do you know what the range is?

>>296

Nah, I prefer the american mythos; one based in intense patriotism and heroes rather than myths.

>>301

I meant like the american style rather than the /x/ style. The american mythos has this sense of down-hominess mixed with intense pride and good values. I feel like /x/ tier shit would ruin that. To be a proud nation, we need heroes and myths like those of the american frontier. /x/ would just give us chthulu-status bullshit, especially with our national animal being the octopus…

I'm all for seasteading, but honestly if you're talking about internet infrastructure you're gonna wanna use infini-flyer drones flying above airspace & weather, mesh networking with each other and ground nodes. This, in fact, is an essential component to a seasteading nation for cheap broadband internet to remote and mobile locations anywhere in the vast oceans.

Also, FYI, tsunami do not pose a danger to platforms and pylons, because the water doesn't get pushed up by a shore line, it just goes around the very small displacement of the pylons. This is why coral islands don't get eroded down below the water line. Tsunamis don't wash over them, they go around them.

>>251

yes anon. but you need to find them on your own or you're not ready.

>>299

I've managed 5,700 miles, but I don't use much power.

>>289

>epic and grandiose, related to life on the sea

>>227

>I'm tired of the overly centralized modern internet of censorship bawww

>so here's my idea: we make our own internet and centralize it on a collection of ships

your premise is idiotic before we even get into how little you seem to know about networks.

>>308

Urist is that you? motherfucker where have you been?

>>310

the guy singing is a jew btw

infrastructure is the key issue here and you should read up on the OSI model and how networks work so you can understand better why most solutions to this whole independent internet thing use existing transmission networks

basically "the internet" is an abstraction operating several levels over the base transmission system, it's just a packet management system for communicating

This is why most solutions just piggy back because ultimately any network just needs a way of moving information and it's always easier to use existing systems

this is why multi platform mesh nets are king because they can route themselves over any system of moving information and are therefore robust to censorship

the other possibility is using something in the air like google loon or those newfangled airship shipping barges and point to point directional microwave transmission systems to move information

there are already people much more qualified than you who are working on this do some research and get to know their culture, watch some defcon talks and go on forums if you're serious

>>313

This.

I've mentioned meshnets before. FreeBSD has one built in that's particularly good, but cjdns is better because you can install it on a router, which means you can use it with all your nice toys.

Plus it's authenticated and encrypted.

that's fucking insane

>>315

Chaos magick is a load of shit. Might as well go full retarded troll and become Discordians while you're at it.

>>311

We'd obviously be in complete control. We wouldn't regulate it, but we'd keep it up and protect it from hostile forces. The one plug is a last resort in the event of a system compromise, to prevent data from being stolen due to unforseen circumstances taking control away from us.

>>318

I don't believe in having one central plug. It's a weak point. A point of failure. I believe in many mobile hubs that can never be completely shut down.

>>320

A point a failure possibly, but also one of immense power. Pull the plug and they're powerless to access your data. You can't hack past a physical firewall.

>>241

Not to mention the cost of sustaining all the pylons and such shit. They'll crumble in a couple of years propably (10-20 years probably)

Couldn't everyone just buy a wifi reciver/transmitter and place on our roof.

And an app doing the same on our phones.

It'd have to be pretty many people tho.

>>322

We can cut their fucking undersea cables with remote controlled submersibles until they learn to leave us the fuck alone.

Retaliation against ZOG is something that needs to be considered.

If this second internet starts to take off, and ZOG fails to co-opt it or soe seeds of dissension within it, they will criminalize the use of it. Anyone caught using it or owning equipment (like ham radios) for accessing it, will face punishments severe enough to have a chilling effect. It will be as if the police are omnipresent because nobody will want to take the chance of being caught. The consequences would be far too frightening to contemplate.

To counter this we would need more than just a navy for self-defense. We would need offensive capabilities in order to dispense a little discipline when it's needed.

What is ZOGs greatest weakness? It's the same as their greatest strength: MONEY. There's a saying that the generals are not the ones who surrender. It's the accountants. This would be especially true for ZOG because they don't possess an ideology that transcends economics. They don't consider anything to be more important than money.

Strike against targets that will hurt the finances of wealthy kikes. Tear away at them financially until they fuck off and stew in their own impotent rage about muh holocaust.

>>297

What is this course? Is it a standardized course throughout North America? Do individual states & provinces have their own courses?

>>325

We could always just outZOG the ZOG. Give them something that seems externally critical in exchange for an "in" to the greater system.

>>236

outer heaven?

>>328

How about Home? Maybe give it a codename for official business to avoid confusion, but I like Home.

>>323

there is a self healing concrete that uses electricity to cause the minerals in sea water to bond to the existing structure thus healing any cracks.

I'm all for colonization of the oceans, it's where I hope to retire on a concrete sailing vessel.

wifi routers, boosters and antenna placement can get you line of sight distance of 50km with off the shelf stuff you can get at MalWart, once you've flashed new firmware into the router.

the hard part is the routing software and a few groups are working on this very idea

having a secondary network that can't be shut down is a necessary part of taking back the world from mammon.

seriously tho, the ham people will always be independent sources of news and data that cannot be easily silenced. if you wanna learn they are happy to teach

>>227

Why make our own new darknet, when we could hijack someone else's internet for cheaper

Because infrastructure is fucking expensive

>>227

Why haven't we begun to build our own?

Openmesh project is doing exactly that

>>330

>> Build Oceanic Micro Nation

And then defend it.

>>267

There is actually a way to send data packets over radio. I am actually surprised that no one has used this yet to create a wireless internet using radio.

Alestorm should have some good anthem material, or at least folk music. Give this one a listen, and post what music you can find related to high seas adventure.

>>336

>mfw Alestorm

>>280

I don't think that guy's reactor could be used to generate power. I think it was more like hiding a dirty bomb in your shed.

I didn't even read the whole post and I'm already behind you. Great idea.

if this ever gets going, can we call the new net the HinterNet or something antisemitic? Maybe the World Wide Kikel?

>>227

Making a new Internet would literally entail just making a new protocol for web browsing. If you wanted to make everything impossible to trace, you'd only need to make strong TLS mandatory in the protocol, and maybe make a new network, a mesh network with a shit ton of wifi routers, to make it impractical for even the alphabet agencies to monitor everything.

>>342

it's already impossible to monitor everything. What we want is for it to be impossible to monitor anything.

>>267

query about that stuff:

why would you need a license?

>>344

Probably so you know not to interfere with certain emergency channels & under what circumstances you can broadcast on which bandwidths, etc.

Plus you are expected to assist with communication in the event of natural disasters that take down regular communication lines in order to help out emergency services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_succession

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession

https://projectmeshnet.org/

>>>/tech/

I've only perused some of the FAQ on https://www.rac.ca/en/ but apparently you aren't just limited to radio waves. With the proper licensing you can also use microwaves. As I understand it, microwave signals would have a higher bandwidth capacity than radio waves due to wavelength. I'm drawing on my grade 9 physics lessons here so correct me if I'm wrong.

Also you can use directional antenna systems, so you can make yourself harder to find by only broadcasting in particular directions, routing your signal around different geographical locations through a number of repeater stations rather than broadcasting outwards from a central location. These routes can be changed at any time.

Add to this solar-powered submersible repeater stations that can travel anywhere in the ocean and you have a pretty tough internet to track.

>>345

That probably makes sense.

>>347

>With the proper licensing you can also use microwaves.

It is made to sound like there's some external control over it though and that its only usable with permission, which sounds iffy to me.

Not that I know shit about shit, so correct me if I'm wrong.

>>347

I can dig that.Something like this would also be cool as fuck for people in places like North Korea, since if they could get on they could straight up just leak shit and noone could trace them…

>the internet is going tits up

No the 'social internet' is going tits up. Just like it was destined to do. Use the internet for what it is supposed to be, instant access to knowledge, and nothing more.

Download every diy manual you can find and print that shit out. Then get off the computer, do some reps, tend to your vegetable garden and feed your chickens.

>not now mom, I'm making a constitution for Namibia

>>350

>No the 'social internet' is going tits up. Just like it was destined to do.

Who are you? The Oracle of Delphi?

The shills and SJWs keep us focused so that we don't succumb to our own version of hugbox faggotry. Without exposure to disease, the immune system doesn't grow. Without conflict there is stagnation. Without hate there is no motivation for progress.

Let these faggots be the source of our motivation for growing our own internet.

Bumping for internet secession because, look at the state of this place today.

Started a discussion over on /hamradio/ about internet-over-radio. Got a couple of interesting replies, but it's not a very lively board.

http://8ch.net/hamradio/res/270.html

>>356

Here's an idea of what it would look like.

>>356

Doing it over ham without making literally every ham person hate you would be nearly impossible. Your best result would probably be some sort of localized BBS system like the early internet.

You should be looking in to delay tolerant networking and connectivity to remote and undeveloped areas, Africa for example.

If you aren't reading RFCs then you're miles behind the ball.

>>241

>It would ultimately also need to have one plug.

>+$7.95

/thread

Let's have a local group started. Anyone within an hour of driving distance from Texoma want to meetup over the weekend?

>>358

What would make them hate us?

>>258

Bumping, plus I want to move the conversation back from the technical to the cultural in case there are any anons right now who are interested in that part of things. Remember we are talking about setting up a self-governing, sovereign entity. A nation. We need things like flags, a coat of arms and an anthem. Is there anyone with some artistic ability, or a song they want to suggest?

>>266

Here's how to start our nuclear program. This will power our server platforms.

>>364

Holy shit, this is awesome! You even earn cryptocurrency for contributing disk space. BTW cryptocurrency is another thing we need to talk about.

There are so many useful things like this that hardly anyone knows about. Geeks are good at making stuff, but not with popularizing the stuff they make. They have a build-it-and-they-will-come attitude.

See, THIS is why we need more than just technical know-how.

Look at what makes 8chan so popular. It has a living culture. It is anthropomorphized by a pantheon of memes whos personalities show us to ourselves. It has its heroes and its villians and its mythology. It has its own iconography and art. The admin is well-liked both personally and as the admin, and he is strongly identified with the site itself.

These things breath life into 8chan, and its how we have to breath life into our own idea if we want it to have any chance of getting off the ground. Otherwise it will never be anything more than the hobby-horse of a few eccentric geeks and techies. Our idea needs to be clothed in a personality and given a soul. We need artists, not techies. The tech already exists.

>>367

We need something like vid related, but for our own idea instead.

What matters most to us?

Returning the Internet back to the free, Wild West that it once was where you can say and do anything with true anonymity. Taking it back from the hands of big media, big government, and the social justice warriors of political correctness. Making the NSA shit itself with impotent rage. Those would be major themes in any sort of propaganda video.

DOZENS OF INTERNET TROLLS FOUND DEAD AT SEA, ASSUMED PART OF GAY SUICIDE PACT

>At no point should they be any less than a total of 50% decoy servers full of dummy information, to misinform foreign interests that may want to break in.

Security through obscurity. Yeah that'll work.

Your system would still be controlled by the big financiers, it's doomed to fail.

The only way to have a free Internet now is to make one based on radio, peer-to-peer, with the software running it conforming to GPL.

Modified wifi router firmware can allow nearby routers to communicate and pass traffic, improved antennae and higher transmission power extend the range. Obviously you would have to figure out how to bridge between clusters but that can probably also be done with radio.

>>356

I occasionally post on /ham/ and I will give you the short answer.

in the US ham regulations only allow certain types of digital signals and no encryption. these regs are way behind the times but there isn't much that can be done.

the main digital mode is called packet radio and is limited to 1200 bps which is incredibly slow by today's standards.

I'm curious about this comment >>358

why do you think this? as long as you aren't breaking rules or interfering with others

the thing is the wifi equipment requires no license and is already legal. why re-invent the wheel?

get compatible router

flash router

join neighbors in alternate network

if neighbor not close an external antenna and/or booster will let you reach out 50km line of sight with a ~50MB/s connection

it is all a matter of finding people near you who are interested either in joining to share internet access or for the sake of helping to form an independent free network that can't be censored.

>>373

>it is all a matter of finding people near you who are interested either in joining to share internet access or for the sake of helping to form an independent free network that can't be censored.

Not so simple for everyone. I'm in a rural place where there aren't many people who care about computer nerdery or Internet culture. That's why I'm so interested in HAM radio. I've heard that you can communicate thousands of miles with it, which is probably what I would need in order find a critical number of people who share my interests.

>in the US ham regulations only allow certain types of digital signals and no encryption

How would they stop you? I know it's possible to locate a transmitter, assuming that the authorities even notice. But that just means you would have to stay on the move.

>the main digital mode is called packet radio and is limited to 1200 bps which is incredibly slow by today's standards.

I'm guessing this is only a legal limitation and not a technical one. If we're talking about succession from the Internet, from PRISM, from government spying, certain legalities are going to have to go fuck themselves.

>>227

We could try using a mesh net model. The problem with that is it would be laggy as shit.

>>374

yup, it is totally a legal limitiation, but along with this comes the equipment availability. that's why a lot of ham people also build their own stuff.

when SHTF people will use what they can salvage and will stick to protocols that are known.

the FCC just loves to find illegal transmitters and there are real penalties involved.

tell me all about the not so simple to find like minded people anon.

my nearest neighbor over kilometer away, the town 5km away has a population of ~350. I get my internet connection via radio link from the grain elevator 5km away which is linked via microwave with another grain elevator 15km away which links to the internet backbone ~ 50km away. at my end the system is motorola canopy, but I don't know what they use for the long distance links.

your idea of using ham equipment is feasible but you will not find other people to network with if you don't stick to the standard protocols and methods that the ham people use

>>379

Please stick around anon. Or at least keep an eye on this thread. You're someone who knows what they're talking about.

>>378

>>377

We don't want the world thinking of us as a bunch of criminals either. We want some sort of mythological figure along the vein of George Washington. Maybe keep the true identity of our first leader under heavy wraps, and instead put out an attractive figurehead to follow the orders of the people in charge. Afterwards we could anthropomorphize him into a sort of superhero.

>>382

>keep an eye on this thread.

I will anon.

this is a subject I am very interested in.

my best advice is to stick to standard wifi equipment for data.

the ham world is an interesting place and I would be surprised if this very topic isn't a forum somewhere.

I read about a group of kids in Cuba who created a wifi mesh to communicate amongst themselves because internet access is severly limited by the state in their town

>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/27/1360481/-Cuban-youth-build-secret-computer-network-despite-Wi-Fi-ban

>>387

What about using Arachne as the basis for the female avatar?

>weaving as a metaphor for the new net

>challenge with Athena as a simile for challenging the established "wisdom"

>Arachne was challenged because she boasted of her skill as her own rather than granted to her by the gods, exemplifying a sort of will to power

>her talent was in weaving, a feminine craft

All sorts of parallels and symbolism

>>388

>Arachne

Athena turned her ass into a spider though.

>>389

Because Athena was butthurt about getting shown up by a mortal, just another metaphor for the corruption of the current order.

Besides, that just means that drawfags can make r34 with her as a spidergirl.

>>227

>We'd need a plethora of wealthy backers

Yeah, go find them and get back to us.

>>391

There's something called Meshnet that I don't know too much about but you would probably be interested. Each individual is expected to keep a node, you take that to the next level with autonomous nodes and you get a localized dark net.

The future is going to be cool.

Let the nerds know OP.

We're pretty busy with the kikes and niggers at the moment

meshnets are slow, unstable and don't have the same anonymity guarantees of something like Tor. Eventually we may have Tor over meshnet, but before that we have to get routing working. Self-organizing routing is a hard problem when you have nodes coming and going, and the network can be hostile. Good work is being done, you can even participate today, but only if you're close enough to other people doing it, which is usually in metro areas of bigger cities.

>>399

I think part of the point is to both create a system that breaks the regulations and make it in such a way that the powers that be are unable to take measures against it.

>>399

>Motherfucking Quaker Oats

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/01/us/settlement-reached-in-suit-over-radioactive-oatmeal-experiment.html

>>389

I dig it, embodies the net-based side perfectly. Maybe use a sea-based demigod/ creature as the masculine side?

>>227

Sounds gr8 m8. What can be done about making this a reality. Is there going to be ads? How will the internet be filtered from liberals.

>>399

That is why it will be based in third world countries. Because those third world countries would not regulate it as much as first world countries. Because there is less liberals yet a lot of stupid non aryan people.

>>227

>We start with offshore servers,

Servers are the least of your problems. They are cheap.. you can get last-gen equipment for scrap value.

The big cost and problem is going to be transport. You going to run undersea cables? Launch a few satellites?

Bigger cost is going to be "last mile".. Actually getting your network to the homes. To build out ONE mid size city will cost millions and take years. Look at what Google has to go through to get permissions to roll out GF in to a city.

>>253

Part 15 allows for unlicensed operation under certain conditions.

>>403

>How will the internet be filtered from liberals.

As long as liberals can't filter the internet is all I care about. They can have their little hugboxes for us to troll and trigger the landwhales in.

so much this

>>398

> we have to get routing working. Self-organizing routing is a hard problem when you have nodes coming and going, and the network can be hostile.

true anonymity may be impossibru on a mesh network.

the main point as I see it is the hardware is in the hands of the users.

this means the only censorship will be self imposed as it would require cooperation of all the nodes in the mesh.

this means no government could shut it down

extreme long distance links are possible by utilizing unused bandwidth on the TV satellites.

the open source groups currently working on router firmware are our best bet

>https://openwrt.org

>>364

>Why the fuck is nobody talking about MaidSafe?

because it is not on topic?

>tfw education sux these days when they can't tell the difference between distributed storage and network data transport

a distributed storage network is how the data gets stored

a wifi meshnet is how the data gets transported from storage to you

>>409

And we still need a name. It's not good enough to name it after the technology behind it, like meshnet or whatever, we have to brand it with our own identity and make it ours, an expression of who we are.

Volknet?

Ubernet?

Aryannet?

/pol/net?

Something that sticks in the mind when you hear it. It doesn't necessarily even need a meaning. Most names don't mean anything, but some names sound better than other names. We need a name that conveys a spirit of some kind from the very sound of it, not just from its literal meaning.

>>411

>And we still need a name.

vox populi

>>412

>vox populi

Folk People?

>>413

voice of the people or something like that.

>>415

It's pronounced vox pop oo lee

>>416

You don't know that~

>>416

Sounds more like a slogan to include on our coat of arms or something, like America's "e pluribus unum"

>>417

Just type it into google translate and click the speaker icon to hear it

>>417

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/populus#Latin

>>419

>>420

I was just being an annoying faggot.

No one really knows how latin was spoken before the third century. But yeah, the Ecclesiastical pronunciation is considered correct nowadays.

audio files can be encrypted with data, send them out en masse on various frequencies, via pirate radio. This is almost a whole different idea than internet though since although untraceable to anything but the main radio signal it would be fairly local. This can be good and bad, it would be a good way to spread ideas on a local level and meet people who share your ideas who are in your own community. We could easily ramp it up and do it on a major global scale but at that point it would be mixing up frequecencies left and right and be way too complex

>>413

just shorten it to VOX

or voxnet

>>408

>not liking spider girls

Hah! GAAAYYYYYYYY!

>>376

The future has a shitty name though. The fuck is a mesh?

>>401

>utilizing useless retards as radioactive guinea pigs FOR SCIENCE!

Truly the heroes cereal industry deserves.

>>432

Holy fuck that green eye and white hair look amazing, I wish I had european genetics for white hair and green eyes like that, too bad I have sandnig genetics.

>secession from the internet

>girls, airbrushed and made up

The cancer killing /pol/ is metastasizing.

>>343

CJDNS works this way. In CJDNS a node is identified by their public encryption key, and all data transmitted over the network is encrypted with that key.

>>435

*all traffic destined to that node

If we're having a giggle about anthems and stuff, does anyone want to /pol/ackify the lyrics of embed related? It's pretty majestic:

Hail majestic corporate light

Heaven born and ever bright

How our spirit like the waves

As the breath of thine awakes

And now the night of weeping shall be

The morn of song

Ah! We are those whose thunder shakes the skies

The thin spun life

Home of fadeless splendour

Of flowers that bear no thorn

Here may the blind and hungry come

And light and food receive

Here mighty springs of consolation rise

To cheer the fainting mind

And re-creation find

So overcome thy fear

And burst into sudden blaze

Come blind fury with abhorred shears

And slit the thin spun life

Ah! Sobbing with their human sort of wail

Thy justice fear

Walk in shadow, walk in dread

Loosefish walk as like one dead

One drop in a winter sea

No more to rise forever

Anything down there about your souls

Will smash the sun alight

Ah! Yield week in, weak out from morn to night

Feelers from across the sea

Come crawling over thee

One drop in a winter sea

No more to rise forever

One drop in a winter sea

No more to rise forever

Come blind fury with abhorred shears

And slit the thin spun life

Ah! Sobbing with their human sort of wail

The thin spun life

We are those whose thunder shakes the skies

Whose eyes this atom globe surveys

Thy justice fear

Hooray!

>>437

I'm not feeling it. This is just some hippy dippy avante guard shit.

>>434

Yes. It's name is Shill. Fuck off.

>>227

OP, any body that has a head, can have its head separated from the body.

That's why beyond your plan being expensive, it will never work. Because someone will nuke that island of yours in no time.

Looks like people have already given the technical answers here.

See ya some place else.

>>227

Let's get back on subject here.

We want a separate internet only meant for the right wing, it's based off Radio telecommunication rather than phone lines or regular intended Internet lines. We are finding issues with trying to get authrorization from the FCC. Also this is what the finished product will look like.

>inb4 spider female porn

>Discuss

>>441

I think in one more generation that won't be necessary.

There won't be enough liberals to hamper us anymore, they dying out like flies.

But it is good to have blackup, anyway. Long distance radio is much more reliable than fiber cables.

>>443

How about letting the network creators decide their own symbol?

>>248

Because libertarians are controlled opposition. They are wheeled out to say something cute to maintain the illusion of democracy.

>>444

>How about letting the network creators decide their own symbol?

Who do you think this thread is for if not the potential "network creators"?

You are probably a shill, so I'm not answering this question for your sake, but for the sake of genuine anons.

Creativity doesn't happen in a vacuum. If someone says "Hay everybody, let's all think of some creative ideas for 'x'" chances are that there will be no response from anybody. But if you have the balls to suggest your own creative idea and put it out there for people to criticize, then other people are more likely to suggest their own ideas.

That's why I always suggest specific, concrete ideas. Not because I'm trying to monopolize the conversation but because I'm trying to START the conversation.

Shill.

Plus I fully intend on BEING one of the network creators. Unlike you. Because you're a faggot.

Ok. Actual HAM here. I have a general class ticket.

Plenty of devices can operate without any kind of license nor registration (if homemade) under part f15 of the FCC rules. There are limits on power, but you can crank up ERP and sensitivity with a high gain antenna.

To be perfectly honest I don't use a lot of digital modes. I'm more of an old school HF kinda guy like my old man, though I've been wanting to get into microwave.

Fun fact: Many astronauts have their HAM licenses, and you can talk to them on the international space station if you have a license (or are with someone with a license. Third party communications are allowed.)

>>449

That's supposed to be 'part 15', not 'part f15'

>>448

Also, the Internet now has leftist and blue Pilled media, imagine a Internet of where right winged red Pilled people could only post because of decent moderation.

>>449

And how about that shit that you can't send your data streams encrypted?

>>452

Use borrowed wifi, it is the most secure of all to let you enter the internet. I'm in one right now.

>>449

Can you say anything about directional antennas? What do you know about them for the layman?

>>453

>And how about that shit that you can't send your data streams encrypted?

Yup. Thats definitely an issue.

Technically you CAN send encrypted information in the amateur service… if you make the decryption key publicly available, but that totally defeats the point.

you can totally send encrypted info under part 17. Your wifi is doing it right now

>>454

That's awfully vague, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

>>455

fuck, part 15. Fat nerd fingers…

>>455

>That's awfully vague, bro. Can you be a little more specific?

Well, what are they? We're discussing the idea of setting up an alternative internet. So the powers that be will use whatever legal loopholes they can to shut it down. So we have to remain undetected. Directional antennas, to me, sound like they would be harder to detect just simply for the reason that they broadcast in a particular direction rather than all directions. Do you know anything about this subject, or about how the FCC tracks down "illegal" transmitters?

>>447

I think that if you haven't joined an already ongoing project, you are already too late.

You alone cannot create shit, let's see why:

- Legal: what is legal in your country, is not across the border. Not even something like wifi is the same everywhere, there is one wifi for the US, one for Japan and another for Germany;

- Technical: long distance communications are doable but hard. It is very hard to keep a chat going if you are a thousand miles from the nearest hop, nevermind transfer a pdf or see a video;

- Security: encryption itself is very hard to accomplish properly and it is illegal for long distance communications as you can see in the comments above;

- Commercial: most of us are poorfags and can't spend 100k in just a communications rig, it also should be portable and not an energy hog. All those things are as hard as nails;

That's for the basics, but there is more stuff involved. Only gearheads can keep up with all that shit and if you create your own network, you will only contribute a small piece to it.

Because that's all a single one of us can do properly and timely to build an alternative network.

If you agree to be a gear in the mechanism, that may work for you, but if you want to be the mechanism, or control it yourself, good luck. lol

>>457

Well, instead of the radio waves (a type of light) travelling out from your antenna in (almost) all directions, a directional antenna will reflect and/or refract radio waves so that they all go in more or less one specific direction. They also work in reverse. They will reflect and/or refract incoming radio waves and focus them on the receiving element. One of the most effective and most common high gain antennas is the parabolic dish. You might have one of these on your house right now. Incoming radio waves, like say, the weak ones from a satellite, reflect off the dish, and onto one little spot where the actual antenna proper is located.

Another type of common high gain antenna is the yagi or yagi-uda antenna. It uses lengths of wire to reflect and refract the radio waves. I suggest you check it out on wikipedia.

Let me know if you have more questions. I'm going to crank one out and check back, then I'm going to bed.

>>457

You can use long waves to transmit to long distances, but the data rates are so low as to make this method impractical (google numbers stations)

The most secure and inconspicuous way to transmit data is through the ground. The Earth itself is a good electric transmitter.

But because it is much more dense than air, you need massive amounts of power to reach global scale.

The people in the rural areas could do it if they spent a few thousand bucks in wind turbines and batteries.

Because besides all the items quoted above, you also don't want anybody asking you questions why you have been spending so much energy from the mains, maybe they think you are growing pot underground and wanna see your gear and will see your "illegal" underground transmitter.

>>462

number stations are on shortwave, not longwave. The American AM band is mediumwave. Just above AM is the 160 meter amateur band. That's the lowest most hams go. Number stations tend to be on shortwave, because like you said, they have good DX (distance) propagation. This is due to the ability of the radio waves at these frequencies being able to interact with the ionosphere. This is a complex topic, and HAMs spend time waiting for bands to 'open', which means the ionospheric propagation is good.

For this network though, something in the microwave region would be good. I'm talking higher than wifi, the higher the frequency, the higher the bandwidth, though after a point the waves won't be able to propagate very far due to being attenuated by the water in the air.

High speed 10GHz data relays would be pretty sweet.

Funfact: Cellular telephony is an outgrwoth of HAM radio. Its just an amateur repeater network with phone numbers.

Another funfact: SMS (txt messages) was originally a HAM mode.

>>463

>Funfact: Cellular telephony is an outgrwoth of HAM radio. Its just an amateur repeater network with phone numbers.

>Another funfact: SMS (txt messages) was originally a HAM mode.

Yep, but in order to work, cellphone required a fast and automatic protocol to switch frequencies to serve several clients at the same time. And that protocol has been updated several times already because of more and more people crowding the frequencies.

We either develop a protocol and hardware to handle it like cellphones or we go full retard a use satellites.

I don't understand why libertarians have not crowdfunded a satellite alternative internet yet. Because that doesn't require licenses to operate as long as we respect a few ITU regulations.

Then with some small dishes would could all link together.

>>410

>because it is not on topic?

>tfw education sux these days when they can't tell the difference between distributed storage and network data transport

If MaidSafe replaced current internet protocols ykw couldn't control it without shutting wired networks down completely which they aren't going to do because it would be a shekel shoah. So, a distributed storage network could obviate the need for slow ass wifi bullshit.

>>230

My god I've been reading about this shit for over half an hour and I still have no clue about what the fuck this shit is or how it's any better than our current infrastructure.

Everything around the project screams autism.

>>320

What if you can tern your phone into a mesh node?

www.servalmesh.com

Thank me later

the hive swarms

>>465

this is more easily doable than you might think

there is one small problem however, the latency and time lag involved with geosynchronous satellites can cause problems with voice

>>471

>>472

Pedicabo off Lenulus = Fuck off Shill

>>474

>there is one small problem however, the latency and time lag involved with geosynchronous satellites can cause problems with voice

If we can chat, transfer files, see live feeds it would already do most of what the internet does.

voip and games should not really be a concern.

But what about the cost of that?

>>465

>I don't understand why libertarians have not crowdfunded a satellite alternative internet yet. Because that doesn't require licenses to operate as long as we respect a few ITU regulations.

>Then with some small dishes would could all link together.

A friend of mine had this idea years ago. It seems like i would be relatively simple to put glorified wifi repeaters in space.

The main problem would be making it geostationary. Geostationary real estate is hard to come by these days. Its really crowded up there.

We could do HEO satellites and use tracking dishes, but that adds to the complexity, and most people wouldn't be willing to bother with it.

>>403

The point is that it's going to be based somewhere where we can heavily regulate any and all interference into the system, to allow it to be as open for anyone to use as they please as possible. You can put whatever you want on it, although if it's something illegal your local government could use it as evidence because they can find it as easily as you can. It'll essentially be a wide open space militantly protected by a militaristic rogue government.

>>411

OP said Freenet. I kinda like that…

>>431

>Burkas

fuck naw

>>467

It's removed from the current internet in such a way that it cannot be controlled. We're trying to figure out how, but that's the most essential point.

>>441

>We are finding issues with trying to get authrorization from the FCC

Fuck the FCC, but that's a cool vid. Gives a good idea of the kind of speed we're talking about. It's definitely a problem though. We're going to have to bend a few rules in order to broadcast at higher data-transfer speeds. We need a half-decent internet that's good for more than just text.

Wireless Meshnets: Building the Next Version of the Web

Let's educate ourselves on the options, /pol/

>>486

Maidsafe is doing for data what Bitcoin is doing for trade.

Was looking for some kind of talk, but could only find this ad.

>>485

>Accurate depiction of events

>tfw when I thought I had read S2 was coming summer 2015

>Check recently

>Summer 2016

>It's going to happen before S2 comes out

At least I'll be dead soon.

>>489

>one way communication

no thank you

>>491

It's good to use in combination with other Internet technologies. When all you want is to passively browse the net, you don't have to worry about privacy at all.

>>241

watch me pill numbers out my ass

Just put down a few hundred thousand miles of fiber optics when no one's looking.

>>476

>But what about the cost of that?

good question, and there is no easy answer.

basically it is as much as the customers will pay.

If you look at a company like Huges , they own the satellite and then rent out bandwidth on it. at any given time there is unused bandwidth that can be pirated and there isn't much they can do about it.

each anon would have to have a dish with transmitter and receiver like the Huges net system uses. then it is a matter of finding empty chanel and pirating the bandwidth. central coordination so everybody knows what satellite and chanel to look at now, and the one the system will move to next when the one in current use gets shut down. it would end up being a game of hop scotch with the satellite control people. using unused chanel until they shut it down and then moving on to the next satellite or chanel.

the problem with this type of network is that everyone shares and is limited by that central hub's bandwidth.

the best solution that I can see is for every anon to have a wifi router that has the mesh firmware installed and plays an active part as hub / repeater / node. once that firmware is perfected it will provide a high speed network that cannot be censored or shut down easily.

>>482

Hijab, whatever. I still hate them. They're for sandnigs and liberal scum these days, and I really don't care to "take them back"

>>275

Didn't they ban any encrypted content over ham radio?

>>497

So? They probably will ban encrypted content over the internet too if they can. Fuck em. That's why we need to set up our own physical infrastructure of wireless routers.

What is the distance on these mesh routers anyway?

I'm interested in more details from this anon here >>379 who connects to the net through two separate antennas. Are these antennas the property of the ISP, some municipality, something set up by radio amateurs, or what?

I'm starting small with various pirateboxes setup in busy places.

>>497

see >>455

>>489

Perhaps we could make a small onion like network only meant for conservative views, if it doesn't exist already. That satellite can be possibly a modem.

No mention of i2p anywhere?

>>502

The goal of all do this is to create a Internet extension meant only for conservatives.

For me. I had a idea of forming a message board that works with i2p, Satellite, and Radio Internet connections. The message board is named American Union. Simply because it united conservatives as one. Because no matter how beaten to a pulp liberals put us in. We can always have this little network to go to.

>Sort of like 8chan when 4chan got burned to pieces.

>>503

Oh I agree, but still people have still mentioned tor. No one mentions i2p.

>>504

But union sounds liberal as heck.

>Add your own title other than MuhLiberalNet

>>506

For TOR, it can serve as the marketplace for the conservative Internet. Black market trades in the virtual right wing paradise would cause outright worldwide bans on the network.

>>508

>For TOR, it can serve as the marketplace for the conservative Internet.

i2p can do that, too… and better.

>>507

Volknet

>>508

i2p still runs over the regular internet. We're trying to physically build our own, with our own content.

>inb4 muh hundreds of miles of fibre op

Wireless! Wireless! What is it that our detractors don't get? Wireless Internet is what we're after, whether it's over HAM radio, mesh networks or whatever.

>>498

each anon owns their own

the mesh net is seperate from the internet as you know it. however every anon that has a wifi router connected to the mesh net has the option of having an ordinary connection to the internet as well. each one of these anons who have both the mesh net and conventional internet can serve as a bridge between them.

think of it this way

common internet = interstate highway system

mesh net = paths through everybody's back yard

the powers that control the internet can keep you off of the main highway but they can't stop you from hopping from backyard to backyard etc…

since data packets travel pretty quickly going through a few hundred (or thousand) extra hops might be a nuisance but it won't be a show stopper.

as long as enough people allow these backyard pathways a secondary network is born that cannot be easily censored.

long distance links up to 50km cost less than $200 per station. and a common system to connect to neighbors within a block is less than $100 per station. this is a one time equipment cost and there is no cost for joining the meshnet or using the meshnet. you provide a path through your backyard and you get to travel on other's paths in return.

does that make it any clearer?

>>227

http://project-byzantium.org/

Here you go. The tool to create your own personal meshnet is available to anyone as free and open source software. Just learn some html, some css, and probably some php and you're good to go.

>>513

>Just learn some html, some css, and probably some php and you're good to go.

So you can host your own website on your own machine with this?

http://piratebox.cc/

>>227

Came here to say this: >>346

Go back to school, you illiterate fuck of an OP.

Every time I look at the Catalog, I have to see this retarded thread:

HURR, SUCCESSION

FROM THE INTERNET, DURR

It's not "Succession", you dumb fucking nigger twat.

Also, your plan is flat out unrealistic.

>>516

Thanks for posting.

In other news, I still want to create an avatar to represent this idea, just like Gamergate has Vivian James.

I'll make a brief music video, so brief that it won't even use the full song, but which starts at the avatars eyeball and them zooms out until you can see the entire avatar.

Windows Movie Maker doesn't give this option. Do any of you Anons know of any freeware that can do this? Because I'm a cheap motherfucker.

>>516

here's a bump just for you!

>>517

I wish you great success anon, popularizing meshnet.

overcoming ignorance is always worthwhile in the long run

>>517

Our avatar should be like this Vivian James avatar here: >>422 except holding up some kind of antenna, with radiowaves radiating out from it, to represent our wireless meshnet. Her shield will have some kind of volkisch symbol like the sunwheel, or maybe something more provocative.

I'm thinking about using the song "Volcanoe Girls" [vid related] for the music video. I've simulated the idea on my own screen by zooming in on Vivian's eye with the scroll-wheel, then slowly zooming out as the music played.

The combination of the song, the stoic expression on Vivian's face, and the luminous torch slowly coming into view, was electric. I want to achieve this same effect with an avatar of our own making.

>>363

There is much better available, whether you want to use toroidal/vortex based geometric coils or you can use slightly more exotic zero point/quantum energy, or you could just use cold fusion. However there is still a plethora of other things as well and most of them are still easier and more effective that nuclear. [/spoiler]Still want a weapon? Rail gun/mass drivers[/spoiler]

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory

https://www.youtube.com/user/ColdFusionNow/videos

>>411

>>412

>Volknet

>Voxnet

Only good ones.

>>522

Latin is a bit more universally recognizable than German, I'd say Voxnet.

>>495

>each anon would have to have a dish with transmitter and receiver like the Huges net system uses. then it is a matter of finding empty chanel and pirating the bandwidth.

I'm in, it is not the ideal, but it is a start. Where do I buy the gear to try that? Have you done that before yourself, so I can communicate with you instead of buying two pairs of the right gear?

If it works, then we can pool the resources to buy a channel or lauch a satellite. Couldn't we?

>>496

>Hijab, whatever. I still hate them.

European women cover their heads to protect from cold and to avoid letting hair get in the food they are cooking. I find those euro headscarves beautiful. My mom used them when I was little and before she got contaminated with feminism and thus never used it again. Good times.

>>503

>The goal of all do this is to create a Internet extension meant only for conservatives.

Create a second internet for everyone. If you do it for conservatives only, it will be shutdown, guaranteed.

>>510

>Volknet

Folknet is better because it doesn't sound German, yet Germans can still pronounce their own way. Folknet would attract conservatives, libertarians, everyone. Volknet would attract jews posing as natzies and proposing dumb fucks to bomb a synagogue.

>>513

Very nice, will try it in a VM.

>>522

Voxnet would be an excellent name.

>>524

by it's very nature it would be of the people and for the people.

all the people

no fees for use once you have the equipment

a path through everybody's backyard instead of the tollroad

unstoppable

uncensorable

>>526

>That comment came from a conversation about having our own avatar, just like

Headscarves were used by women from all ages, races and times. It serves for various functions, not just to obey fucking allah. But some people are too urban and uncultured to get it.

Anyway, I think avatars are silly and we should move along according to the flow of things, not establish fixed and hard rules. It makes us weak and easy target if we cannot adapt like chameleons.

>If it can be shut down then we haven't set it up right in the first place. The whole point is to build an internet that can't be shut down.

During my college years a faggot from the electric engineering school created a device the size of a brick that allowed us to communicate by voice and data through a 50km radius using microwaves, which according to the lawfags was legal. Guess what?

Three days after we started using the things (we helped him build several so we could form our own small network), the army knocked at his door demanding to see and aprehend the things. They said they picked up the signal there first and we had no radio transmission license and we could not be doing that. That was fucking 15 years ago, before 9/11.

My point here is not the legality, it is that even if use microwave oven like waves, we gonna get busted. There is nothing you do through the air that they can't see and track. Even if your transmissions are in a legal band. They demand you get an authorization first or they will come after you.

>I believe anon calls it an internet for conservatives because it's conservatives who need to escape politically correct censorship, not liberals.

Let the liberals use it too, they just don't get into our channels while we get in theirs because we own the network. What is the problem with that? Do you know why the US let Iran or North Korea to have internet? lol

>lol I don't think "folknet" would throw them off for long.

I don't really care about leftist names, let's call it the Union of the Socialist Faggots network. It would be lulzy and throw them off confused.

>>528

Regarding your pic first: I don't think that is constructive, because there are descendants of the germans here and descendants of the romans here. How could you talk about uniting our factions while you post something about the wars between them?

If you have posted something about the romans defeating the swarthy mongrel egyptians it would have been way more constructive.

>Awe hell no, we NEED avatars, an anthem, heroic figures,

My skin is my uniform, we don't need anything else beyond our pale skins to identify with each other. Everything else can be construed from a common educational basis. You could build the common core of the western culture and people following that guide would identify themselves in a manner that could only be recognized by the initiates, those that have acquired such education.

As common goals that education can provide, considering the working class wisdom from my parents on what differentiates us from them:

- Crime is for niggers;

- Drugs are for niggers;

- Work is for white men;

- Education is for white men;

- Church is for white men;

- Cleanliness, orderliness is for white men;

Just a common set of goals like: take out the garbage yourself, don't let it accumulate in your home, wash yourself at least every two days, brush your teeth three times a day.

Things that defined the discipline and the order aimed by the right wingers of yore and which were forgotten and which we should look for *before* we think about wanting to establish a common history to unite all factions.

How can we be better? How can we work through those chores even while depressed? A table marking our progress could be good? How to bash those that fail at it?

>Can you tell me a bit about this device as well as this whole incident of the army showing up at his home?

The device plugged in the wall. We communicated through a telescopic antenna like those used in car radios. Through a serial port we communicated with each other, but it had a talk function too. It worked by using a carrier signal in the short wave spectrum like that used by microwaves, it used parts of a microwave oven. Those frequencies are not normally used for communication because they are reserved to bake things, or something like that. So, he though of using them to communicate would not be a problem.

The military pick up the signal, that carrier signal is not normally found in the air, that's why our devices worked in a far range, because of low interference.

That also allowed to trace it, but our "engineer" was not concerned, we were more happy with free mobile internetz plugged into the university in a time when that was the domain of rich people.

>>528

Im not the anon youre talking to nor do I have any idea what this thread is about. However this fucking photo is nonsense. What the actual fuck? Is this was Anglophiles jerk off to?

The guy leading the Germanic peoples was a son of a tribe taken and raised in Rome. Taught their ways, their customs and everything in between. He lied to Varus and lead the legions into a slaughter. It was not a "Battle", it was a fucking massacre. It was a fucking ambush that none of the Romans expected because the young German boy who was raised in Rome was thought to be trustworthy.

There is nothing honorable about what he did, nor is it worth glorifying by lying

>>534

Yup, fuck your slide faggot. Nice ALMOST trips BTW.

>>527

> we gonna get busted.

not if you use standard wifi equipment. they cannot shut that down, they cannot jam it, far too many business and legit uses that would be shut down or jammed right along with it

>>528

> importance of directional antennas and staying mobile.

these are false security measures anon. they got multiple listening stations to triangulate you with in real time.

>>530

>parts of a microwave oven.

> worked in a far range

if you were using the magnetron from an ordinary microwave as the source of the microwaves you were emitting several hundred watts minimum two sizes are standard 600W & 1KW

not the best idea, workable, but dangerous for close up long term exposure

if you really wanna be discreet then pirating the satellite bandwidth is the way to be untrackable. since you are basically sending a narrow beam upwards to the satellite if someone wanted to find you they would have to get between you and the satellite to locate you.

As far as equipment goes, there is no system set up to do quite what I have outlined. I don't know for sure but I believe the hughesnet equipment could be hacked. it contains a tunable transmitter which is needed but access to the tuning codes will probably be secured.

It would take a bit of research and hacking to achieve but for secure communications for a limited group it would be a good method. Also a good method of providing long distance hundreds of miles links to connect distance meshnet groups

It is all up to the authors of the meshnet node firmware at this point to come up with a robust and easy to operate program for commonly available wifi routers.

>>532

>Good job OP, you beat the previous "most crazy idea to come up on /pol/" award.

As crazy as operational systems like that already exist. lol

But your post is funny anyway.

>>533

>The pic was only meant to make the point that a united folk can overcome a larger military force.

Looks like you know little of that story: >>531

Let me tell you, I hate the French, but I would work with them if we could end our differences once and for all.

>>536

>> we gonna get busted.

>not if you use standard wifi equipment.

Yes we will. Just lurk for the forums where germans discuss the power of their wifi equipment. In big cities some police cars are rigged with gear to find anyone communicating above 20dBm. That's an evolution from the frequency scanners that got my engineer friend busted. You have power limits to work within and if you are not busted yet from abusing it that is just a matter of time until the wifi power scanner becomes standard equipment and all patrol cars carry one.

So, no long distance wifi if you are a kraut.

>not the best idea, workable, but dangerous for close up long term exposure

His goal was long range. We had to use our sleeves to pull down the antennas after use. lol

>if you really wanna be discreet then pirating the satellite bandwidth is the way to be untrackable.

Ok, discovering how to do it seems to be our highest goal now, I've been researching a bit:

https://decryptedmatrix.com/how-to-hack-satellite-internet-surf-anonymously/

It seems that the lack of crypto will be an ally in this case. And I feel stupid right now because I spent like a thousand bucks in good wifi gear for borrowed wifi, risking getting caught. While this guy got satellite internet for 75 bucks.

There is not much else:

http://tag.wonderhowto.com/hack-satellite-internet/

Seems the good and practical info is buried in specialized forums whose indexing is obviously restricted in the main search engines. I remember researching altavista about this and folks said we were limited to 256kbits/second bandwidth in the late 90's. So I wasn't interested because it was too slow. But it is impossible that hasn't improve and people haven't been discussing this more. There is clearly some censorship going on.

Anyway, if everyone tried to piggyback on satellites, they wouldn't be able to handle it. So, we need to dig it.

>It is all up to the authors of the meshnet node firmware at this point to come up with a robust and easy to operate program for commonly available wifi routers.

Once you have the radio station setup in your city, spreading the signal in the meshnet would be easy. I don't think a generic firmware would be required for pirating satellite signals, I think specialized equipment would, then you simply route it to the meshnet like it would be any other internet link.

>>227

>the old shaming paradigm of claling people nerds who go on the internet

>you shouldnt organize

>you cant organize onine

fuck off

https://www.outernet.is/en/

Looks like some satellites simply retransmit the data received, so we could harness their power:

http://www.crypto.com/misc/uhf-sats/

If there is no filtering and no way to shut that down, it looks usable.

>>540

>literally a honeypot

Yeah there are satellites that are operational but not used. Yup.

>>541

And what would be the problem if the data passing through them is encrypted?

Those satellites could be of good use to connect meshnets that are widely apart.

>>542

anon stop making my dick hard

meshnet internet is the future

fuck internet and internet 2.0 where ISPs can at least figure out where you are connecting to if not what you are sending

meshnet networking is the future and you are right something between cities like satellites needs to exist to supplant traditional centralized internet

i wish you luck

>>537

>find anyone communicating above 20dBm.

there are two ways to get max distance links

a. crank up the power

b. use directional antenna and or increase antenna height above ground.

if you increase power above normal legal operating levels of course you will be easy to spot. and 20dBm is a very large increase.

>While this guy got satellite internet for 75 bucks.

well… not exactly, if you read the article you will find that this was a receiver only, he did not upload via satellite. All the uplink side was done on conventional internet. that was how he did his exploits, by taking advantage of the time lag involved with geosynchronous satellite communications

> some censorship going on.

probably not censorship so much as this is a very esoteric bit of tech.

the reason I know so much is that I worked with satellite transmitting equipment for live broadcast TV and data for many years.

and at the time I was in the industry there probably weren't 100,000 people worldwide who understood the tech.

lots of technicians and operators who can push buttons and operate existing systems. not many who can set the systems up and fix them when they malf.

the hughesnet equipment and similar systems contain both a receiver and a transmitter. the transmit frequency is critical. the system as is will have no user control over the frequency as well as automatic safeguards to prevent transmitting when the system isn't properly aimed at the correct satellite. this is all to prevent inadvertent interference with other satellites and data channels.

Of course modifying this type of equipment is illegal as well as owning modified equipment without proper licensing. On the other hand the wifi equipment is legal and requires no illegal modification.

>>545

Do amateurs have any options for broadcasting through the ground? How detectable is it?

>>543

>anon stop making my dick hard

Tickle, tickle, tickle.

There are two ways to communicate between continents. One is using satellites, another is using the ionosphere.

The ionosphere behaves like a waving piece of cloth. Consider you are inside a circus tent without sound amplifiers and there is strong wind outside. Sometimes you hear the artists down in the middle, sometimes you don't, because the tent interferes/helps the sound propagation in your direction according to the ripples done on it by the wind outside.

Such is the ionosphere to radio waves.

My engineer friend was exploring the possibility of using that behavior to track the ionosphere ripples and keep steady communications through continents, but his idea never worked out. So, maybe now with more powerful computers and better tracking systems his ideas could be tried again. That would be great because we wouldn't depend on aging satellites.

The use of the FM band seems to be possible only on old systems, newer satellites do not use it anymore and are not exploitable. So, we can't depend on something that will not be here in 10 years. But sure enough it could be a start and there is nothing preventing us from sending satellites that will do the same job. But using the ionosphere would be less costly and would never have to be replaced.

That is just what I remember which my friend insisted it could be done one day. But I'm a computerfag. I converted the bits in the serial port of his system to tcp/ip packets, I have not the faintest idea how to work with these electromagnetic propagation things.

>>544

A story of blackmail, treason, backstabbing. Shame on all sides, because you clearly don't know all of it. Discovery channel has an agenda like all media. It is about all the lowest things our ancestors were capable off and you continue to crank it. Way to unite the factions. You are doing the work of the jew here, shabbos goy.

Let me tell you now how your german kin gassed to death 99% of my family in WWI and I'm only here because my grandfather was forced to work outside the city of his family for a living. That saved his life but not any of his cousins, aunts and parents. Not even the babies were spared. Way to fight with honor.

>>545

>probably not censorship so much as this is a very esoteric bit of tech.

So, I'm merely a button pusher, but would try my hand at it if I could discover the correct equipment to use. I'm not interested in talking with anyone, I want to put up two systems and make them talk with each other from thousands of miles apart.

I live in an urban place, thus I got free internetz but keeping my own satellite antenna is not very easy. I have to set it up and remotely control it. So, looks like I need a motorized antenna pointed to the equator + a transponder with uplink that can operate in those frequencies people exploit TACSAT + being able to fine tune those frequencies + an encoder/decoder that would transform such signals in something my computer can interpret as a lan network interface.

Correct me if I'm missing something please and could you tell me how to source those parts? Looks like the ideal would be the kits sold by the satellite internet companies for ship and car mounting, I would only need to change the transponder to exploit TACSATs, is that right?

How to buy a workable kit instead of building my own? Is it possible to buy the same gear the military use? Can I just buy two kits, plug in my komputah and off we go? Were to find it?

>>549

>Costs ~$120.00, but I'm going to digitize them and make them available on this thread for free. It's little things like that.

That would be golden, but this thread is old, unpinned and thus will gonna die soon. Please, make the thread when you can, we will be eager to get the materials to study it.

>>551

>I'm thinking about making my own board for this, but I'll still keep a thread on /pol/ in order to get the amount of traffic & exposure we need.

We all think on making our own boards, but when the subject of a board is too narrow, like how to crack this intercontinental meshnet thing, people will hardly get there.

Your board gets buried in the usual internet garbage, this is not the 90's anymore.

How do we request to pin a thread?

>>550

>There are two ways to communicate between continents.

There are two ways to communicate between continents that would be feasible without the need of special license.

sorry

>>546

It is easy to detect and track as almost as in the atmosphere.

It requires enormous power.

It doesn't require a license and is not controlled by anybody. It is a free-for-all much like using satellite links.

>>555

>I don't think we've been around long enough to request a sticky just yet though.

Ok, each board with its rules. I think that if hotwheels is kind enough to let us use his infrastructure to discuss these important matters, it is fair that we trust him to let the discussion roll here until we have done something good.

Raids are lulzy, but if we make our own network, it will be even moar.

>We really shouldn't get so infatuated with Meshnet. There's Outernet, Maidsafe, Piratebox, and probably a few other things I haven't heard of.

You are confusing things here. What this thread is about is how do we make a global data transport network infrastructure. If you put outernet, maidsafe, piratebox connected to it, that is irr-elefant right now. Our problem is an alternative data transport net which can work disconnected from the internet backbones.

I would we very satisfied with something that allows to see/make websites and allows a little chat like we are having. But some guys here seem to think that real time is so damn important that they won't put effort if they don't see that possibility.

I don't see the possibility of realtime data transfer in a meshnet because each device carries little capacity. A cellphone can only tunnel a few megabytes per second of encrypted data - and that is at enormous battery expense. And if you are looking for something that is stored 50 miles away, maybe it will have to jump 200 devices to reach you. A simple video feed would hog the bandwidth of 200 devices to be feasible.

Many people didn't saw the value of the internet in its beginning, complaining that they couldn't see TV on it or they couldn't play quake with someone on the other side of the planet. Well, too bad. First we have to build the resolve to create the network, then we will slowly understand and optimize it to make those passive faggot bandwidth hogging applications feasible.

And I think we should not create anything, all we need is already created, the trick is how we put the pieces together so they work in harmony.

>>550

> the correct equipment to use.

a. hack existing system, both hardware and software hacks will be needed

b.piece together a system from individual components, the ultimate hack,

There are several different types of satellites in orbit. The older C band and Ku band geosynchronous birds are what I have experience with.

The hugesnet system is Ku band, uses the birds I'm familiar with and older equipment is cheaply available on ebay and simiar sources.

I've been thinking along these lines for a while so this summer I'll see what I can scrounge up and find out.

While there are various methods of long distance links, including the ionospheric method mentioned along with troposcater. No other method can deliver the distance and bandwidth that satellite can.

The bandwidth, throughput, amount of data we can force through these pipes, whatever you call it, will be smaller than the current internet in the begining. But it will not be as limited as some might think. While the long distance satellite links will be a chokepoint the wifi meshnet will be much faster than you might think. this is because it is a mesh not a linear network. the data can be spit up and take many parallel paths and thus the throughput is not limited to the capacity of the individual node.

>>550

>How to buy a workable kit instead of building my own?

ain't no such kit that I know of

>>557

your idea has merit, the popularization of this idea of a data network that is free to use, owned by the people not the corporations and is un-censorable will help spur further its development and use

>>559

> he's an outsider. "Outsider" perfectly personifies what we are trying to build.

I like most of the rest of what you are saying, but this I must take exception with.

I see it as more

>while the mayor and town council meets in secret to plot the exploitation, domination and subjection of the people

>the volk, hopping from backyard to backyard have a free-for-all meeting in the pub to argue, spread the truth and bounce ideas around to find a solution

>>565

>I (not he) imagined it more so as outsider from the perspective of outside the corrupt STS mentality/mass-slave-culture.

Yes, that's what I meant. Plus, in the literal physical sense of being an outsider, in that we are physically building our own separate internet.

>>565

>>566

robin hood ?

>>568

>Another possible platform (though slightly more esoteric, far more subtle and free, in many aspects) is an Aethernet, or transmitting data though the aether.

not a workable solution

as a longtime student of Tesla's work I appreciate where you are coming from.

I am very disapointed that Sergei and Leonid Plekhanov's experiment is not progressing any faster and I am quite anxious for the 1st modern testing of the physical phenomena that Tesla described.

If one first supposes that these Aether / wireless power systems can operate as described you will find that the data transfer rates are extremely low due to the low frequencies that they operate. Tesla himself envisioned many hundreds of voice channels would be possible with his wireless system. In modern terms that ain't a drop in the bucket.

>It seems like the 2nd cyber renascence is here just on time with the 2nd consciousness one. This will be glorious.

what has me most excited is the lockheed fusion breakthrough. they are going to vindicate Farnsworth's work. this means the mechanism is simple enough you can build it in a good machine shop. along with the EmDrive implications, which is again a simple device that any good machine shop could fabricate.

damn cheap energy & reactionless drive, Ganymede here I come

it is indeed a wonderful time to be alive in spite of the horrible things are governments are doing in the name of security.

>mfw, I can deal with evil done for the sake of evil, but lord protect me from the evil done by well meaning fools

I used a WPN111 along with a juice can for over a year to leech internet from a neighbor 150m away, so I know this wifi meshnet has potential.

It needs users to exist, but it won't exist until it has users, an interesting conundrum

>>569

>It needs users to exist, but it won't exist until it has users, an interesting conundrum

It needs users to exist, but won't have users until it exists.

>mfw I really need to proof read my crap better

>>571

>Why not?

point to a working unit

>>568

>>569

>>571

This is really sliding into the fringe. Unless you've built your own aethernet card or quantum computer in your garage, it's best for us to talk about how to use the stuff that actually exists.

>>573

> use the stuff that actually exists.

I endorse this statement

>mfw agent provocateurs use the tactic of injecting fringe crap to discredit a worthy movement

as much as I believe some things that many in main stream science currently believes to be tin-foil impossible I am all for using existing off the shelf cheap equipment for the meshnet.

If we let people go wandering off on fringe tangents we will not accomplish what we are in agreement we wish to accomplish.

>an independent (non-ISP model) method of high speed data communications that is low cost and easy

I don't know enough about the various router firmware OS packages from dd-wrt and open-wrt and others to make a valid judgement about what is or isn't best. What I do know is the basic requirements of this system and it's requirements of cheap, easy and user operated lead me to believe that one of these OS or something very similar will be the solution.

While I will not say that an Æther net is impossible I will say it is not at this time a practical solution.

>>575

Sounds cool. Swastika would be good, but I think for image reasons the sunwheel would probably be better, not many know of it and there isn't the stigma, and if they actually do their research they will find it any how.

>>575

>who I wish to be based upon this girl here: >>558

Actually I meant to use this link: >>443

>>571

is there anything about how this aether functions and how to utilize it?

>>578

I actually like the first one a lot better aesthetically

>>580

What, this one? >>558

Actually I was only using this pic to represent art in general, as an appeal to the artsy types who might want to contribute some OC.

The girl we use has to be somehow thematically related to our ideology. Plus she's not really distinct in any way either, just a generically pretty face.

>>581

Idk, the one you wanted to use seems kinda fugly. Probably just because of shit art skills, but its a bit off putting. Some artfag needs to put something like that out that doesn't look shit.

>>582

>Some artfag needs to put something like that out that doesn't look shit.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The drawing is a bit crayon-ish. I was wondering how she would look if interpreted by the guy who made the Vivian James drawing >>422

He would have to make her look slightly different for copyright issues or some shit anyway. But I like the combination of her stoicism and that crazy hair. I just see potential in it. She could look good if interpreted by the right artist.

I also posted this albino girl as an option, but that would present bigger problems than copyright. Especially since I want our avatar to become popular enough that people r34 it.

>>583

>>425

>I also posted this albino girl as an option

I didn't read much of the OP but basically there's dozens of projects aimed at doing this

>Tor sort of does this (inb4 shill)

>i2p

>meshnet

>various encrypted networks

>p2p

If you Google decentralized Internet you'll find a lot of different results. The whole point is that it's going to be really hard to "kill" the internet just because of the scope and flexibility of the infrastructure. When they really start trying to actively stop us from being "free" online it will be through legislation that outright bans the previously mentioned software.

Also obligatory

>VPNs

top kek faggots

>>589

>>Tor sort of does this (inb4 shill)

uses normal internet is not a substitute

>>i2p

uses normal internet is not a substitute

>>meshnet

topic of thread, substitute for internet, is totally independent of internet, can be used in conjunction for sharing of internet

>>various encrypted networks

uses normal internet is not a substitute

independant net

please read more, this thread is about works

>I didn't read much of the OP

>read much

>read

your contribution to this thread is noted

>top kek faggots