/volknet/ - Volknet

Original OP here, just gonna throw some shit out here for the sake of bumps.

-ISPs are hard as shit to work with. If anything, we can exploit all the cyber attacks happening lately as a good reason to encrypt everything. We can expect intense lobbying against it by retards, but encryption is the future anyways. We just have to keep an eye on what kind, and the backdoors involved.

- as for the official manifesto, that's kinda my skill set, but I'm not on par with the stormfag stuff. This is for everyone, I don't care if niggers get access or what, so long as the power stays in the hands of everyone, not any sort of regulatory body. My goal was somewhere everyone had a voice, even sjws if need be, yet the majority could not silence the minority, nor the man silence the people. No commie shit or anything, just Ayn Rand capitalism applied to free speech.

-The only way to coax someone into using your currency is to have a product they want. Once we're established, business owners involved can start accepting our currency, thus making our currency worth some sort of direct product, encouraging more and more people to progressively accept it.

- I'd say we'd need to encourage vigilanteism. Maybe some sort of bounty system. Bring down this network or protect that network for however much cryptocurrency. I think that'd really bring out that wild west vibe of dangerous freedom. As for protecting children, if volknet is basically networked networks, why not put some sort of physical filter that prevents kids from accessing the world network, restricting them to the local network. Maybe only to database servers like libraries or schools. That way, they can only access knowledge, no social media. It'll foster healthier social relationships, cut back on computer time in kids, and turn the net into more of a knowledge base then today's internet shitshow in the long term.

- Why do we need businesses to take down their cameras? Security is good for private property. Just keep the cameras off the street and residential areas.

- Can't be any help there

- develop a home bre RFID tracker, then go public with it. Show people how horrifying it is that some stranger can cobble together a device that tells them not only their peanut butter preference, but where in the house that particular jar is. In the kitchen. Right next to the baby's room with the twins down the hall. Better not leave them home alone. Create hysteria, but don't go overboard and male people think you're exaggerating. Show them the extent of the evil the technology can do.

>>834

TL;DR

O-o-o-kay, time for me to lay out my thoughts since we last had a major discussion about this on /pol/.

To recap again: this fella here: >>835 started a post over on /pol/ a while back pitching the idea of seceding from the Internet and building a separate Internet in order to be free of surveillance and censorship. It inspired me to make this board. I copied the whole thread to this board as well: >>>/volknet/227 for anyone who wants to catch up on the conversation.

There were two general trains of thought going on:

1. The way to physically build an alternative Internet was to create localized mesh networks and connect them to one another over long distances via some sort of packet radio, or possibly by pirating the bandwidth of satellites.

2. We needed to build a mythos to go with it, including an anthem, avatars, symbology and a rich ecosystem of memes.

In other words we needed to cover the yin and the yang.

Internet Secession Part 2

There's an idea that I want to add to this. It's something more immediate that many of us could start doing right now, without having to purchase special hardware and figure out how to set it all up or anything like that.

I started the conversation again over on /polpol/ this time because /pol/ mods are censoring it: >>>/polpol/15813 and let's face it, it'll get more eyeballs over on /polpol/ than it will here, just yet.

I'm also plugging the concept over on >>>/cyber/21308

The Plan

Setting up our global mesh-network, if that's how we decide to do it, is going to take a hell of a long time. But we can start setting up our culture right now, by migrating en masse to the darknet, setting up a thriving network of hidden sites that we can migrate over to whatever alternative darknets become available, and eventually to whatever alternative network becomes available (our global meshnet).

In the first Secession thread, darknets were not considered a legitimate way of seceding from the Internet: you still needed to connect to the Internet in order to use them. But darknets allow you to host your own websites on your own machine instead of having to rely on Hosting Service Providers, so it is a partial secession from the Internet. Plus, a thriving darknet could be ported to run on other networks, assuming there's a thriving darknet to be ported. That's where the building of our own darknet culture comes in.

I suggest starting with i2p. Large numbers of us could establish our own cultural milieu there, since it's the smallest of the three well-known darknets: (Tor, Freenet, I2P). It's ripe for the taking.

The problem with darknets is their self-fulfilling isolation: sparse content = few viewers = few content creators. Conversely, abundant content = lots of viewers = lots of content creators. We just need to kick-start this process, and do it in a way that shapes the cultural landscape of i2p to our liking.

We do this by scraping content from the regular Internet and putting it on the darknet ourselves. Incidentally we can also create our own original content, there's no problem with that either, but let's be realistic about it. We don't have the critical numbers of people that we would need in order to produce the sheer quantity of content that it would take to attract large numbers of people, and other content creators, to the darknet.

As great as it is that many anons have literary and artistic talent, if we want a thriving culture on the darknet any time between now and the next ice age we're looking at having to pirate massive amounts of content from the Internet, and putting it together in novel ways to suit our own purposes.

First, we scrape the content of websites. Whatever websites you want: blogs, wikis, podcasts, art galleries, whatever. You can manually copy/paste stuff or you can write scripts that screen-scrape entire websites. Then use it as material for your own eepsites. Clone websites, combine the content of several websites, build novel mash-ups between websites. Share screenshots of your work on 8chan & other appropriate places in order to draw in more people.

Secondly, books. Got a scanner? Got a local library? You now have yourself a second source of inexhaustable content for pirating to the darknet.

This is the fertilizer from which to grow our culture.

I'll go into further detail in later posts. I don't want to dump out too many ideas at once. I made that mistake over on polpol. I just want anons to chew on this for a bit and see what they think. Later I'll talk about how this can segue into the creation of our own separate Internet aka Volknet.

>>841

Maybe something more ominous. We're invading i2p with the intention of taking over, after all…

>>844

>>844

I dig Simon and Garfunkel, let's do it

>>839

I've been attempting to set up an imageboard to run as an eepsite on i2p. The purpose of it is to serve as a gathering-place to coordinate the scraping & cloning of websites in an organized fashion.

Tried kusaba-x, tried vichan, can't get the fucking things to work over i2p so I'm now coding my own shit instead. I'm self-taught in PHP so fuck it.

Here's the first draft of the board I have in mind: http://pastebin.com/gwS5HsMJ

Give me some feedback.

Oh, and I'm also talking about this over on >>>/polpol/15813 and on the Bureau of Memetic Warfare: >>>/bmw/2883

Definitely check those fuckers out

>>839

Board Owner here. I haven't disappeared. I'm still working on my own imageboard software for an i2p eepsite. Some days I'm working on the software itself. Other days I'm brain-storming ideas for the content of the imageboard. And some days I just take a break from it all.

This image-board (I'll call it volkchan for now) will be the platform from which we organize and coordinate to pirate the content of the World Wide Web onto the darknet. Of course this won't be the whole entire focus of the imageboard itself. It will have just as many different types of boards as other chans do, with just as much autism, porn and shit-posting as other chans do. But since I'll be the admin…one of those boards is going to be about pirating the Internet.

I've also been re-thinking exactly what "volknet" means. It doesn't mean an alternative physical infrastructure for an alternative Internet. Even though that was the original idea that inspired me to create the /volknet/ board, lets face it: we're a bunch of low-income plebs and we're not building an alternative physical Internet from meshnets or packet radio or pirate boxes or anything else.

Volknet is also not a particular darknet that we are rebranding for our own purposes. I know that my plan is to scrape & clone websites onto i2p, but I only see i2p as a place to start. We can just as easily clone these same websites onto tor. And meganet. And maidsafe. And ipfs.io. We can clone them across as many different darknets as we feel like, and have several different people hosting them so that they can't all get taken down at once.

So volknet really means us.

There already are enough technically savvy people working on alternative decentralized protocols & alternative Internets. They do so with a "build-it-and-they-will-come" philosophy. Well, we are "they", if we organize. If we start importing massive amounts of content, our kind of content, onto whichever darknets are available and setting the cultural tone in these completely unregulated, uncensored spaces.

We can also build our own crypto-currency economy in these spaces, and re-invest money back into volknet itself. ie: helping fund the developers who keep the darknet running, or crowd-funding our own original content in order to promote our own values, or crowd-funding people to pirate paid commercial content to the darknet.

I'll go into some scenarios of how I see the economic side of things working out in a later post. For now I just wanted to clarify what I thought were some ambiguities on exactly what volknet is.

>>872

Hey Anon. No it's not dead…not getting off the ground as fast as I'd hoped but certainly not dead. I hate the fucking NSA too god damned much for that.

>Anything that someone of standard computer skills can do?

Well, the idea hinges on screen-scraping popular websites and then building clones of them on the darknet. This usually involves a bit of programming skill: writing a script that will crawl through all the links and artlicles and copy the contents into a database.

However, you could also do this manually if you want. If you have a favorite website or blog, you could just click through it yourself and use good olde copy & paste to do the job. Then just zip it, upload it somewhere like mega-upload, and post a link here on the board.

It doesn't always have to be pol-related stuff like Counter Currents or Radix Journal either. You could also scrape neutral stuff like the Urban Dictionary or Life Hacks.

So you're set on i2p?

No thoughts on using Hyperboria and leaving the internet to the FBI and the normies?

>>878

>No thoughts on using Hyperboria and leaving the internet to the FBI and the normies?

The ultimate goal is to go full Hyperborea, or something like Hyperborea: an alternative physical Internet. But meshnets are a long way off from being globally available. And it's not even one mesh network but a whole bunch of isolated, cut off mesh networks.

For want of a place to start: we need something that's relatively well-established, that anyone could connect to now without too much hassle and start contributing content. We need to play the ball where it lies.

I've said before that darknets are a partial secession from the Internet because they allow people to host websites on their own machines instead of having to use hosting service providers like on the regular Internet. More content will draw more people. More people on the darknet means more security through obscurity.

It's a start.

Once other alternatives like Hyperborea are widely enough available to be worth the trouble, we can easily copy all the sites we've scraped, all the books we've scanned, all the content we've ripped & pirated, and whatever OC that we've created ourselves, onto these other networks as well.

In fact, there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it now if they want to. If you live in an area with a well-established mesh network and you want to host content locally, go right ahead. It'll be a start in the direction we want to go: complete secession from the Internet.

>>879

Meshnets won't be widely available until someone starts implementing them.

It's down to people like us to make it happen.

>>879

Not samefagging, I thought of something else:

You can tunnel to Hyperboria through the internet already.

There is no reason we couldn't use cjdns to make our own network ( a volkisch hyperboria if you will) separate from Hyperboria.

All we need to do is allow each other's keys and set up nodes.

>>883

>You can tunnel to Hyperboria through the internet already.

Can you go into some more detail on that?

>All we need to do is allow each other's keys and set up nodes.

Let me make sure I'm understanding this first.

Doing what you just suggested…you could run a website on your own machine, much like running an eepsite on i2p, and other people could access it via cjdns by tunnelling to it over the regular Internet.

You don't actually need to be within wireless communication range with another peer?

BO here again. I'd like to pick up on a point that I mentioned in my previous post: >>867 concerning the imageboard eepsite that I'm working on.

But first to recap: this eepsite is intended as a place to coordinate the copying, scraping & pirating of content from the regular Internet onto the Darknet for reasons I've already gone into, but I'll go into it again until every ambiguity is ironed out.

It's based on the following rationale:

1. By cloning popular websites *, scraping all of their content and then setting up copies of these sites on various darknets such as i2p or onion, people no longer need to leave the darknet and visit the regular Internet in order to view their favorite sites. Therefore by stealing content from the Internet we are stealing traffic from the Internet.

* >especially websites that are sympathetic to our own worldviews & therefore setting the cultural tone of the darknet

2. More traffic means more eyeballs, making the darknet more attractive for content creators, online businesses, etc. So that what starts off as pirating other peoples content transforms into an influx of content creators to the darknet.

This will include the various webmasters & bloggers whos websites we have cloned & copied onto the darknet, who I imagine will be none too happy about it, and will want to set up their own "legitimate" darknet versions of their websites. I don't care about their reasons, just as long as they're coming to the darknet to contribute content

3. This feeds on itself until the collective "darknet" (Tor, i2p, freenet, etc) becomes a viable contender to the regular Internet. We continuously leverage the raw quantity of content on the Internet to our own advantage by copying it for our own purposes.

And Finally:

4. This will overlap with number 3. As alternative networks become more widely available, namely mesh networks such as Hyperborea, it is a trivial matter to take websites that we've already scraped and simply clone them onto these other networks, based on the same reasoning.

If we start doing this now, on the darknet, then once any alternative network comes along we will be in a position to capitalize on it right away and set the culture to the one we want for volknet.

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So…that's the recap. Now in my previous post >>867 I said that I wanted to talk about the economic side of things in a later post. Volknet needs its own economy, be it crypto-currencies, virtual currencies or something else. I don't have a fully thought out plan for this just yet. But I have a few disparate ideas that could serve as jump-off points. I'll continue this post tomorrow and talk about some of the things I have in mind.

>>890

(continued)

Economy Of Volknet Part 1 - Currency

The Internet has an economy, the Darknet has an economy, Volknet needs an economy.

Remember, Volknet isn't the "darknet" per say, nor any particular mesh network. We can set up our presence across multiple darknets and multiple networks, meaning we are volknet and the economy I'm talking about is our economy.

As to the type of currency that we use, crypto-currencies are a shoo-in but they're not the only option. I can think of at least two others.

First there's a market for virtual game currencies (http://www.ige.com/) which ultimately makes them into a currency in their own right. Integrating these into our own private economy could have the added benefit of aiding our infiltration into game culture.

Secondly I could just make a virtual currency and issue it into circulation myself. MMORPGs have their own currencies, so why not other venues like imageboards or social media sites or whatever? Done correctly it could incentivize people to produce quality OC as well as to scrape and clone websites from the Internet. It can also incentivize people to build the mesh network and fund improvements to its protocols.

People can carry out transactions with each other via some sort of PGP arrangement so that they don't need usernames attached to their transactions: they only need to use a key.

But the second option brings up the question of a conflict of interests. If I'm deciding what to incentivize, am I not monopolising and controlling creative expression?

Well some bias is a good thing. We are trying to build a separate Internet with a separate culture, after all. That means excluding certain ideas and encouraging other ideas. However, if the vast majority of people feel that I'm being overly-biased and stiffling creative expression then they'll just stop using the currency. It will loose its value and fall on its face.

The influence I would have is limited. Yes, I can decide when to issue money into circulation, to whom and for what. But once it's out there it can be used by anyone for anything. One of the boards that I have planned for volkchan is a patreon-type board. It'll be a board where people can crowd-fund whatever kind of content they want.

Finally, from the position of issuing a currency, playing favorites is good for everyone. If I incentivize shit content, we'll end up with a shit currency. Incentivize quality content, we get a high value currency which can be re-invested back into Volknet itself.

>>891

Isn't this a little bit too much putting the cart before the horse?

Now granted I am unqualified to talk about the technicalities of (crypto-)currencies, but you first need to get a stable/thriving population of users before you can start thinking of additional features. The first few colonising users won't need the monetary incentive to create the foundational environment, they'll do it for free regardless.

Acquiring manpower to populate a chan should be the focus. And there are enough people around who are looking for alternatives to this chan. Especially recently I have seen the sentiment rise, as IRCwheels openly stopped caring about this place, and everybody sees Infinity NEXT for the piece of shit it is.

In my case, I'd love to contribute. But I am too /tech/nically illiterate to do anything and will require guides/infographics to understand the basics and be useful other than shilling this board from time to time.

>>893

Good to hear you've got your head on straight!

I've seen too many initiatives wither and die, because they are so head-over-heels that they paralyse themselves in ambitious planning and discussion.

Just a few thoughts on how I'm coding Volkchan itself:

- Captchas That Aren't A Pain In The Fucking Ass [PIC RELATED]: And also a fun way to get people involved with the board: suggesting lulzy captcha ideas.

- Thread Sharing: Threads can be shared between boards to enable cross-board collaboration (boards can talk directly to each other in the same thread)

- Parent Boards & Child Boards: You could think of this as automatic, one-way thread sharing. For example, /bmw/ would be an ideal sub-board of pol, where whatever was posted in /bmw/ would show up in pol. This allows smaller boards to benefit from the larger exposure of their parent boards. It also prevents duplication of efforts (lots of discussions on pol are perfectly suited to the more specialized /bmw/ board, but as things stand right now, they both operate in their own separate walled gardens)

- View Count: Not much of a feature, but would still be nice. You'll be able to see how many times a thread has been viewed over-all, as well as how many times it has been viewed since the last post.

- Fuck Microsoft Internet Explorer: I don't care if it doesn't work with IE. I'm tempted to force it NOT to work with IE because fuck those guys. But as long as my code works in every other browser, that's all that matters. This is our own space, it doesn't need to be IE compatible or follow all the rules of professional web development.