/watch/ - temp title

The only reason I wasn't posting this all as it happened is because for the vast majority of the time spanned I had no clear idea when posts on either software would be available to view or add to, or which copies were getting saved. I didn't even know if there was going to be an 8ch or if I would just be posting this on some "bunker" site after everything went down in drama and flames…which it did, as I sort of figured…but vichan lives on as I also sort of figured. That was the most annoying thing, from my perspective…not knowing what would happen with the slow boards and archival boards and seeing all of these shills and tards who couldn't even bother to lurk around advocating throwing them out because "lol content ephemerality". I generally agree that stickies should be kept to 1 or 0 for most boards and content should just be left go, but for this or /dir/ or /newspaper/ or /8lounge/ so on, things of course needed preservation within the limits of the old software.

Anyways, let's get into it. I'll look through and try to make notes about inaccuracies I'm aware of so people reading don't get the wrong ideas, but I'll leave my frustration mostly intact as it was felt generally across the site and is representative of the user.

12/19/15

Migration yesterday failed. New posts on 8ch.net will not be migrated again when it is ready - everything in the interim will just be dropped. New posts cannot be made on beta.8ch.net, as Josh is now apparently testing it with data of scale for the first time on the production servers and while live. 8ch.net cannot be loaded and returns 504 consistently. Confirmed by /tech/. Archives are the failed migration announcement that was placed in the sitewide blotter section and a /tech/ thread about the failed migration. It wasn't actually the migration that failed entirely although it was slow and didn't capture some board assets, but the queries are taking too long and things are generally bad. Josh says query optimization, /tech/ consensus seems to be probable missing indices or db design problems. Both seem likely enough.

https://archive.is/3b0tl

https://archive.is/SknFb

Also there may be a few repeated links in here, if so sorry about that. Sometimes I forgot exactly what I'd already archived.

12/20/15

beta.8ch.net now loads from the server, displaying a 503 page saying website under maintenance. /next/ thread archive here, Josh saying the indexing is the biggest problem currently but also there were some SQL errors. Seems like he really has put in the effort to fix the db so far and now it's at least getting meaningful testing. Also him and HW are apparently off to visit the 2ch people in Japan for 8 days? Wonderful timing of course. It's like a brb, soup but ignoring the userbase instead of le hackers on steroids. But probably it's some political thing with the hosting, a meet and greet type of deal. If it's them trying to convince 2ch not to drop 8ch, well, I may never get a chance to post this, at least on 8ch /watch/. Anyways, first archive is on /next/, Josh's official thread about the failed migration. Second archive is just some shitposting thread on /b/ loosely about it.

https://archive.is/TqSJ7

https://archive.is/G3qpq

12/23/15

Still 503.

/operate/ thread about CP removal times: https://archive.is/4rdEl

Archive of the transparency report thread: https://archive.is/Hkp8m

The July post from HW (30882) made me sort of sad…

>Twitter is a waste of time, worse than IRC.

>Any time not spent on that I am talking with Josh and making sure he is writing the new software in a way we can use and not alienating people.

Anyways, in the December transparency report a (slightly) more detailed paste about the current problems is included: https://archive.is/vyqCm

12/24/15

Everything's still fucked up. Someone made a cool thread on /b/: https://archive.is/geRF9 [repost note - for newfags and anyone reading this later on, this is a parody of some slightly-varying pedo site ad bullshit that got spammed just everywhere on all boards throughout December while globals were busy, posting and viewing was unstable, and board admins were generally despairing/absent]

Oh and the 5mil get on /b/ happened, though I guess it has to happen again on beta: https://archive.is/jFeeJ

Actually I think that [the idea of no content transfer] might be yet another "compromise" setup where something worse is threatened so they can provoke community relief or gratitude by then just doing the obvious, like actually migrating again. Sounds paranoid, but the globals have been acting really weird for months and just selectively unresponsive.

Every day this fucking faggot beta sits here and gives me this faggot look: https://archive.is/loHg4

Before there were these, archived by other people: https://archive.is/2vzJn https://archive.is/xZ8zH https://archive.is/rGQNW

What /next/ looks like right now: https://archive.is/OGarV

12/25/15

Remember how I've been saying Mark is a faggot whenever it comes up since forever? [People from /4get/ or who read the stuff I posted about it on /undina/ will] Well, Mark is a faggot: https://archive.is/ZuCfB https://archive.is/XQu6c

12/26/15

Everything's still fucked up. Here's an archive of a thread about feature parity remaining to do with original Infinity: https://archive.is/ywtTC

12/29/15

CP spam on /pol/ apparently…child sex dolls, in other words pornographic 3D depictions of children. Mod response? Nunu locks this thread: https://archive.is/xXw7n and says to use this one instead: https://archive.is/XljQI

Also this, thanks zerosugar!

https://archive.is/deMG8

In IRC and in /operate/ the prevailing opinion seems to actually be that there is nothing sexual about a sex doll, seemingly not just from pedo shills but actual posters. The picture in question depicted a realistic doll of a child with clothes but "usable" genitals exposed and prominent on a bed. /pol/ mods deleted the thread after a few hours, right around the time it hit comment limit

[No I didn't archive the thread itself, why would I do that]

12/31/15

Ian Murdock is kil, because cops? I don't know, his Tweets and a /tech/ thread: https://archive.is/F5SMP

https://archive.is/OaV6E

Remember on the 24th when I speculated Josh/Hotwheels would at the last minute "compromise" by doing obvious, universal shit so everyone will praise them or at least be too relieved to call them on any of their other BS? Yeah, here's this "I have decided to do the obvious" post from about midnight a few nights ago by Josh. Site will remain up. New posts will be brought over. Oh and old attachments will be preserved, which there was no reason for them not being already. https://archive.is/yFuJS

1/1/16

Still importing. Josh retaliates to allegations he can't plan a project for shit by explaining that he actually just misrepresented his project and services in order to get the bid from HW, in standard corrupt software company style. Also we should all be glad he dropped his successful, prestigious career for us despite last I know still freelancing. Oh yeah, he may have gotten fired, but he had a BIG MONEY project lined up, trust him, he could have been rolling in the dough if he hadn't lied to get this project and then fucked around throughout it. I'm sure that backend he spent all his time on (you know, the one thing people can't see to be disappointed with, which then failed because he hadn't built it with the website it's being written for in mind) will be totally perfect once (if) the new migration ever finishes. Maybe it will at least have the sole advantage of being easier to fix than the old software.

[somehow I missed the thread citation for this one, if anyone knows the one I'm talking about and has an archive/it's still available on Next (probably), please do post]

1/5/16

Import finished sometime before this. 2nd? 3rd? Not positive.

There's a thread about blocking lists of proxies, etc, which seems to be a good idea for spam control on some boards. I don't think most people realize you could both have hashed IPs and do this…just by having board owners upload say a csv file or plaintext with the IPs they want blocked, and the server processes it, turns them into hashes, and has that list of hashes available for deletion under the uploaded filename in a list somewhere in the control panel…so people could add and remove and sort their IP filtering by the original groups they uploaded them in, but without having IPs exposed. The server would just reject hashes that matched the reject list (assuming, and sort of hoping, that IP-to-hash is never many-to-one). Anyways, maybe I'll bring it up sometime once this godawful migration process is well and truly over. I dislike the whole blocking Tor and VPNs and proxies thing, it's very much a la 4chan or reddit, but if that's what a board owner or community wants, it would be good for it to be available in the software.

Also, in the same thread, images of Next leaking IPs and apparently the db password though that second screenshot was left too small to see easily. I will upload them when I post this, if I remember. If not just tell me.

https://archive.is/90iy7

beta.8ch.net no longer giving 5** errors…instead, this shit: https://archive.is/I3lxO

For home page and boards.

Posting new archives for the same updated main thread and Josh's twitter feed is getting old, and other people also have snapshots saved, so here are links to the pages containing all versions past, current, and future of them:

Twitter (you'll probably want to look through them in order, picking time chunks that cover different posts): https://archive.is/https://twitter.com/8ntech

Thread about new migration (you'll probably want the latest one that works): https://archive.is/https://8ch.net/next/res/3556.html

Someone mentioned that /k/ may be the last surviving board on old 8ch before becoming orphaned…last to be migrated. I'll moisten my nuggets for you, /k/, it's a shame that such valorous posts must always be spilt to protect the craven and freedom-hating.

Thread is full of the same fucking retards who've never been on any imageboard other than 8ch and post-2010 4chan and can't conceive of slower boards where posts last longer, so "hurr durr why even import all this trash only muh top 25 boards matter". Here's hoping they all die in simultaneous fires and the 30% of 8ch posters who know how to lurk will be free of them. It's as if they seriously do not understand a board could not completely renew 15 pages of threads in a month, yet also have more than 1 or 2 posts in a month. They don't seem to be just fucking around either, they bear the hallmarks of genuine retards. Just don't know how someone can be that stupid, like, you have neural networking and you make a conscious effort to convert scales into binary switches. Inb4 some faggot mad about "muh non-binary", vanity "genders" are abstract and imaginary whereas post rate (and its variance) is concrete, simple and easily demonstrable.

Apparently the new migration is still failing to grab all file attachments (how fucking difficult is this really?). Josh did /cow/ over (re-import of the re-import) because it's the board he personally cares about, being I think it was the Kiwi Farms admin and of course being a lolcow enthusiast and self-professed attention wh…I mean lolcow.

Some boards which qualified for reimport did not get the "over the horizon" banner. So this means the import script (which is still, you'll remember, itself untested but for the last one…Josh apparently 'tests' the script by looking at what happens with the first boards while running his live re-import which is supposed to count). So hopefully this means something's just wrong with the banner posting, but it's equally likely that the detection for new posts on boards isn't picking up all posts, meaning some boards won't have new stuff imported. Hell for all I know it means that some boards have never been noticed or migrated by the script.

/leaked/, for some reason, took like 6 hours to migrate. It's not even an undinism board just some irrelevant nerd shit about like, I don't know, information governments don't want you to see because it doesn't support their overarching propaganda. Probably nothing important :^)

Josh apparently evading communication with HW: https://archive.is/Hs8Ch

Heh…what's that HW, you don't like it when people you rely on for 8ch to keep running in a sane, usable, non-4chan fashion cloister themselves off? Concerns you a little bit, doesn't it?

In the above HW mentioned advising Josh not to turn off post timers for /v/ which he went and did anyways. Here's an archive someone dropped in the thread of the beta as it was on the third: https://archive.is/sTohg

But then I guess he turned it on and people could still bypass it by just spam-clicking the post thread button…now maybe actually fixed?

Long threads become a mess and a half when scrolling down, thanks web 2.0! Woooh, responsive! Hilarious because it was in Chrome but immediately the assumption in the thread is "it must be that shitlord Pale Moon, surely Josh-sempai didn't fuck up the coding" even after all of this. https://archive.is/nLhJD

Custom assets don't seem to be loading.

Apparently long OPs still aren't wrapped properly (from months ago), but I can't check the link provided in the thread because the caching layer, as shown before, is dead.

Multiple images in posts are all showing up reversed on beta…like fifth image of post is now first, and vice versa.

10 second post counter also counts up with verbiage saying "this is how many seconds left before you can post".

Large images don't expand correctly, they just get cut off when they get wide enough to encounter Josh's autism reply channel on the right side. Last I knew posts could (finally) expand into that, looks like images can't. Man, what a shitty idea that was. Last I knew you still can't close the reply box, either, just minimize and move that ugly-ass bar around, no matter what it'll be blocking something if you don't follow his philosophy of leaving most of the page for whitespace. So much for feature parity. Note to self: insist on this first.

Oh yeah feature parity thread: https://archive.is/WZZUi

>>3494 went out of their way to ignore and miss the point completely in order to say something which I actually said right after the part they quoted, as if it were an answer or a strike against what I said somehow. Then Josh just says "lol hurr r u stupid just so u know freech blah blah blah" as if anyone mentioned freech or I implied in any way that tinychan had no problems. Same old grade-school bullshit. "If you don't think Next is better than vichan you must think vichan is perfect and sustainable" bullshit, as if there could be no maintenance whatsoever on Infinity while Josh is busy floundering the fuck around. Again he ignores the actual post, which states that there was a major bug (the disk I/O is what I was referring to).

The utter bullshit of the answers, the sliding off of the question to try and falsify the tenets of the discussion, is frankly very similar to standard-issue SJW bullshit and they're so similar in being useless, dismissive lip service that it just makes me think Josh is samefagging to damage control.

(I still haven't looked into 314 any more after this…I'll get to it, I really will)

1/8/16

beta.8ch.net (finally) works again…or at least loads. Went to /just/ as test board and top thread is saying Next sucks…and the thumbnail of the image uploaded is broken. That sort of speaks for itself.

1/13/16

Took five day hiatus, came back to find it worse than before again. What a surprise.

He didn't know it was logical cores, so he thought the server would handle it or something, for some reason.

Next, built from the ground up, uses way more CPU than vichan. Hey, who could have fucking known that tacking a bunch of Web 2.0 shit on before developing and testing basic feature parity could cause…bloat? Normally I don't even care about software bloat, but in this case it cripples the whole project due to hardware constraints. I mean it's running on a server handling a surprisingly stable level of traffic, bandwidth, submits, and like everyone's been telling him while he's been waving his dick around, Next right now is not better or faster or leaner or more full-featured, it's just unreliable trash. Vi, even with all of HW's brokenness added and zero maintenance done, even more dirty hacks, chugs on resolutely in the meantime.

I didn't even read the whole thing because I just don't fucking care what Josh says anymore, but here's the archive link:

https://archive.is/BLSPw

The above is a NoteHub page he linked to from his dumbass Twitter feed he posts everything on. Probably someone archived that, you can use the link I gave earlier to see for proof.

Also here's this: https://archive.is/LRBLm

So I'm checking out 314chan. inb4 "shill", I saw that shit on an 8ch banner ad which went to this page making some decent points: https://archive.is/ZyGH0

Unclear from that page if they're some of the same people involved with 76chan, which looks kind of cool but is rulefaggotry.

They are apparently from 711chan…which turned to "hilarious epick XD" rulefaggotry before the end.

Well, I made /undina/ there. Log in to mod.php, get a big red banner on the page saying:

"ATTENTION!

I have already seen staff /banning/ users instead of /warning/ them. I always prefer warnings just because it's a slap on the wrist. I will finish my staffing guides, and I will make a link to the warning pages (just like the ban option)"

I don't know if I'm now a member of "staff" for creating a user-made board? Either way, I guess global non-involvement in how users run boards isn't much of a thing here. We'll see, I guess. There's another one explaining a bug with the post form until you make the board's first post, and the heading is "Welcome to team314chan!".

It looks like another "reaction imageboard" where they go "we all know what's wrong with [imageboard]" and throw up a clone but haven't actually written or thought out how it will really run, or the rules will "adapt to the userbase", meaning squeakiest wheel. I came to 8ch because at the time HW really seemed to mean what he said and had a lot of protocols and policies set up about modding roles.

Hopefully I'm wrong in my first impression about 314. They have a resolvable OpenNIC address at http://www.314.chan

There's a big-ass red blotter on the one board listed on the homepage, /314/, saying "someone purged boards" whatever the fuck that means. Insecure codebase? Can't trust their own admin group? Really incompetent global accidentally did it?

Also thumbnails for swfs, mp4s, webms are broken as is in very small text near bottom of all-board blotter. Below it in similar tiny text is that the site now has board creation, indicating that was not in fact how it always was.

Turns out parley (admin), somehow didn't control for whether mods can delete board content…of their own boards? Of /any/ board? Am I now a moderator for the other boards because I made one? The fuck is up? Apparently it was either the guy shilling Lynxchan or more likely someone using his name as their username for lulz.

From the look and features of the site, I thought it was running either a fork of an early version of Infinity or it is its own fork of vichan. It's actually mitsuba, whatever that is, with Haruko which is a fork or addition created by parley himself. Let's see, another Yotsuba knockoff + another admin-coded fork + this time such a massive weeb he named it Haruko + clear policy seemingly eschewed in favor of a burgeoning sense of togetherness. The ad even was talking about how he wouldn't withdraw from "the community" or whatever. Where have I seen this before, and what could possibly go wrong?

My dashboard page shows the newest member and how many posts have been made globally in the last 24 hours (a whopping 23!). What could go wrong?

Let's get around to the good stuff, though not sure what's working:

- An inbox link on the sidebar showing how many new messages. Holy shit, internal email-style messaging? On the website? Without going to Twitter, github comment pages, or IRC? It's a miracle! Now hopefully it won't be a clusterfuck where everyone is encouraged to have an account on the site. They do have a Twitter icon in the top bar where you can follow their official feed, though. Of course.

- I see an announcements page and someone's advertised their board, /valhalla/, on it. Don't see a way to post on it, maybe it's elsewhere or not implemented yet. Seems a bit redundant given they could just have a /boards/ if board mods can use it, but whatever. No posts on that board, probably were purged.

- boards.php works although front page boards listing box doesn't seem to. Boards so far are pretty much exactly what you'd expect: https://archive.is/5HflV (hasn't updated to show /undina/ yet)

- Holy shit the first post worked! Stickied, locked, added tripcode…didn't add a capcode, but there's probably some way I'm supposed to visit the board through mod.php that it didn't link correctly to from the link on the control panel. There's even animated GIF thumbnails like 8ch used to have and still does on old boards…wonder how long that will last, scale-wise.

- Updating index page. Not like 4chan's. Wow. It's weird to say it, but seeing an "updating index" page takes me back. I even had to refresh the page again to see my new post. Didn't kick me out for not noko-ing though, guess it's only moderately oldskool.

- Testing for brokenness on a /z/ thread. I opened up the edit post box. Text box opens, and the text says "undefined", not what I wrote. Fail. It lets me submit the form but doesn't change the text to what I write…at least that.

- Tried to delete, gave me a confirmation popup then redirected me to the control panel with an undecorated, unformatted, unpadded message in the white main panel saying "You don't have the correct permissions to delete from this board!". That seems like a super basic thing to have under wraps, so I'm glad they do now.

- Tried to ban, brought me immediately to the control panel with a full admin-level detailed ban form. Auto-filled my full IP (I mean, an exit node's IP, you know what I'm saying), they should get on hashing that already. Tried to ban my IP from /z/, submitted and "User banned!". Ruh roh. Testing if that's true. Reloading /z/, "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST" shows on it, but it lets me post more anyways.

1/19/16

Being somewhat 2spooked by the weird way 314chan seems to be set up, I haven't looked further into it yet.

Here's some older stuff I don't think I posted yet, Josh's two explanations or what the fuck ever about how things still don't work. Apparently 2ch's servers are also fucked somehow, or so he claims…though he's talking about the test server someone else set up working fine as being some indication of success when there's only partial, lesser load testing involved.

The 10th: https://archive.is/VeMaz

The 15th: https://archive.is/H2oZ9

https://archive.is/x1iPA - lowcard either not visiting /int/ or doing nothing about cp spam.

This page is old, it's Josh saying basically he's retreating to Twitter except on occasion when he wants to sperg about something, and basically won't be consistently available on /next/: https://archive.is/oAHSa

Because it's so hard to maintain a dialogue on an anonymous board while ignoring obvious retards.

So, that's right, the best way to reach the admin is IRC or Twitter because he can't consistently check his email or god forbid post on the website he runs, and the best way to reach the dev is IRC or Twitter too now that he seems to post basically nothing about anything on /next/ anymore. That or he's run back to just posting on the beta version now that he finally has the beta running.

Seemingly no word on 8ch itself about the beta being back up or what future migrations might happen or where posts will stay…last word was that he was removing the "beyond the horizon" banners from boards and having everyone post on 8ch again, but zero word about actual future transfers.

I'm going to stop checking this tard's Twitter, whether that means I wind up misinformed or uniformed about 8ch or not. I'm writing all of this for anons to know what was up, or if 8ch dies over this entirely, how it went down, so at this point I think many reasonable anons would throw up their hands and refuse to join or regularly read through the bullshit of the Twitter/IRC circlejerk in order to know what's happening on the site. We have a fucking global blotter, after all.

First HW, and now Josh has actually gone and cloistered himself to avoid getting too triggered. I imagine they think that the "engaged, interested anons who bring something to the table instead of just lurk and shitpost" will stick with the imageboard, whereas all the retards will leave. Not only is this clashing with the entire point of Next and HW's and Josh's overlapping "visions" for 8ch and its supposedly ever-growing masses, it's also basically implying that a sense of unified community and closeness is more important than…clear communications on the actual site, or telling people at least where to post. The irony is that the whole point of 8ch was to make a separation…you could have lots of different, clashing communities on different boards.

Let me quote the three most recent Tweets on his feed right now to let you all know the quality info I'll be missing:

"Apologies for leaving debugging enabled publicly. 2ch engineers had to access this information to help with development during the test."

"Though as a general word of warning, I would strongly advise against browsing pedophile boards on the development site without a VPN."

Don't worry anons, your IPs may be being leaked indiscriminately, but Josh is there to help out pedophiles who are still too stupid to use a goddamn VPN.

"If I can't pull this off I'm instead going to pursue my dream of becoming an alcoholic. I finally found a beer I actually like."

Follow your dreams Josh, just burn it all down, I'm ready.

Beta is back up and home page actually looks usable: https://archive.is/5Gjnw

Still no idea about migrations or where people are meant to post.

1/24/15

Someone else is still watching Twitter feeds anyways, it seems: http://8ch.net/b/res/5200999.html

This should be good…

1/27/15

Shit has turned out more or less exactly how I expected shit to turn out. No idea how long thread will go or if I'll be around to archive whatever's said before it 404s. So far no one's commented in this sticky but me. So here, just pick the latest: https://archive.is/http://8ch.net/operate/res/46225.html

No Infinity Next. Hotwheels has said again and again, along with Josh, "Next or the site shuts down", so we'll see what actually happens.

For the poll, fixing Varnish for Next might be the best practical option long-term, but fixing up Infinity and just adding things slowly after repair is the option I like most right now. Of course I chose to just fuck my shit up because, seriously, just fuck my shit up, HW. https://archive.is/26MYr

Currently, over 2600 anons JUST want their shit fucked up as badly as I do right now.

2200 for fixing up Infinity, 900-something for the other two options. Sadly poal loads results with no URL change so archive.is can't show results.

Also I want to note that either HW or Nunu, whoever made the poll, totally adopted my excellent policy of including a meme option in serious polls for people who want to click and vote as an activity but have no real knowledge or opinion. I take full dubious credit for this.

Just look at all of this bullshit:

https://archive.is/ocweL

https://archive.is/tpPie

https://archive.is/RVaxM

/cow/ thread about Josh:

https://archive.is/YMCut

Hotwheels' written account of what happened with Josh and Next:

https://archive.is/17zGt

Things linked to from HW's article, in order of occurrence:

https://archive.is/PvCjk

https://archive.is/JIzpG

https://archive.is/xB7QO

^ Okay I'm slightly worried that neither HW nor Josh know enough about logs and big-O to know what exactly quadratic time is…or just that only the highest order exponent matters

https://archive.is/51XdH

Oh and here's Josh's moping/support group on Kiwi Farms:

https://archive.is/Y8yGZ

Apparently his host is also kicking them out or some shit is going on, too. As much as Josh sucks, fuck all of these unreliable social justice hosting providers.

I know that guy in the /operate/ thread isn't actually Josh but I do recognize him as one of the two non-samejoshes constantly posting in defense of Josh without actually comprehending what they're reading, and getting "exposed as Josh" always rustles his jimmies, lol

Just wait, assuming he doesn't see this (and I doubt he will) he'll be back with full-force bullshit telling me how paranoid or what a mindless follower I am.

He could be HW for all I know…

Some log segments from a guy on /cow/:

I think this is today or yesterday:

16:46:15	~copypaste	i'm thinking, fork lynxchan and take a month or so to write a migration script
16:46:26	~copypaste	after stephen finishes 1.6
16:47:40	~copypaste	the only way we can use next is if josh fixes it independently of 2ch, but really
16:47:45	~copypaste	given how much he did not care about ip leaks
16:47:50	~copypaste	imagine if another security hole is found
16:47:54	~copypaste	i doubt he'll care…
16:48:04	~copypaste	it's hard to put trust into something like that
16:48:15	OdiliTime	I could write a migration script for lynx much faster
16:48:21	~copypaste	could you?
16:48:24	~copypaste	well it's settled then
16:48:37	OdiliTime	but there's lots of things I could be doing for you
16:48:44	~copypaste	is that so
16:48:45	OdiliTime	just let me know what you try and want to get done
16:48:51	~copypaste	okay lol
16:48:54	~copypaste	i thought that was a hint
16:48:55	~copypaste	"pay me"
16:48:56	~copypaste	( ???)
16:49:13	OdiliTime	well I don't think anyone is going to donate after the whole josh thing
16:49:27	OdiliTime	honestly, I'd like to see us get infinity as far as we can first
16:49:54	OdiliTime	1.6 is going to probably a month if he follows his normal release schedule, though I'm not sure what features in 1.6, except maybe dedup
16:50:10	~copypaste	i wouldn't ever ask for donations again either
16:50:13	~copypaste	for software

02:33:23	ranix	StephenLynx: I think josh's new license allows 8chan to make a private fork, which is the opposite of what he wanted to do
02:33:33	StephenLynx	lel
02:33:39	ranix	and if he had shit his pants and done nothing 8chan would not have been legally able to make a private fork
02:34:05	ranix	because this new license grants copypaste the irrevocable license to display the product of the code (the website) while the AGPL does not
02:34:27	StephenLynx	classic josh

19:19:45	~copypaste	i'm attempting to negotiate with josh to either acknowledge we both own the copyright (or at least 8chan as an entity does), or at the very least relicense next to GPL
19:19:47	~copypaste	it's not going well
19:19:50	~copypaste	he is so stubborn
19:20:22	~copypaste	i don't even think we're going to use next, i just wanted the option
19:20:25	~copypaste	dealing with him is exhausting
19:20:32	~copypaste	i can't imagine how the users of /operate/ and /next/ felt
19:20:43	~copypaste	not to mention /v/ and /tech

He could have just asked us how we felt months ago, lol

2015, May 10th

15:54:48 	n-tech 	copypaste, let me get my eyes in and I'll write up an explanation of some things.
[…]
15:57:07 	n-tech 	I'll preface this by explaining why I'm so strongly for a rewrite, as it's probably my weakest point and a personal preference.
15:57:39 	n-tech 	I worked for a company for 4 years that had this sort of infastructure. There was very few class objects, absolutely no model system, no controller system. The file you requested in the URL bar was exactly what you got.
15:58:21 	n-tech 	I worked my ass off trying to bring a little more cohesion to the code base and once we got new bosses and more devs who were more familiar with MVCs we started to see things come together a little better, but we still never had a proper MVC. Everything was just sort of done however the author pleased.
15:58:37 	n-tech 	And that was in a common that handled billions of dollars and has 10 developers when Ileft.
15:59:07 	n-tech 	There is absolutey no hope of randos in their free time being able to pull this 5 year old codebase out of the muck and make it work better. That is not a realistic situation. I don't care how many bitcoins you have, you will never accomplish that.
15:59:49 	n-tech 	When I mentined the rewrite at firsy you were pretty psyched about it and reasonably so. Just yesterday you remarked on an issue where czak himself admitted there is no way for something to be done.
16:00:21 	n-tech 	Right now there are multiple issues and requested features that are *literally impossible to do* because of various, crippling architecture failures that made up the foundation of vichan and tinyboard.
16:00:37 	n-tech 	And the only reason to keep them around is because X person wants to or it's what people are more familiar with.
16:00:41 	n-tech 	Yes, Laravel has a learning curve.
16:01:07 	n-tech 	No, it's not as free flowing or ez game ez lyfe as just sitting down and writing whatever radom series of global functions and straight SQL you want.
16:01:14 	n-tech 	But is it better? By fucking lightyears, dude.
[…]
16:02:09 	n-tech 	In only 3 weeks or so I've been able to layout an immense amount of functionality. The model and controller work is insanely straightforward. THe way databases are built and upgraded is laughably simple compared to the nightmaris bullshit we suffered through with even our most recent update.
16:02:17 	n-tech 	All the HTML is being done right, all the CSS is being done right and organized
16:02:29 	n-tech 	There is a built in translation system that doesn't suck ass
16:02:45 	n-tech 	Eveything you've ever fucking wanted is right there, built into the framework, by people way more smarter than I am.
16:02:56 	n-tech 	I just sit there like a kid with a big bucket of legos and put them all together.
16:03:05 	n-tech 	And it'd work th same for anyone who made the effort.
16:03:34 	n-tech 	I know it's really scary comiting to something brand new by a guy you really don't know, but your enthusiasm when I brought it up and started going along is what got me so excited and motivated to work on it.
16:04:09 	n-tech 	To have you back down once I am starting to show results just because some dude linked you to a 15 year old article about netscape is really insulting, and a massive blow to the project.
16:05:00 	n-tech 	I mean right now, at this moment, there is a feature on Larachan that is not possible on 8chan.
16:05:20 	n-tech 	If you make a post you will see a personal delete button under that post if your IP continues to match.
16:05:41 	n-tech 	Now you can nitpick that feature, but my point is that is not something you can do in vicha without JS hacks.
16:06:00 	n-tech 	You can never, ever have that because of the most perplexingly terrible caching system I've ever seen.
16:06:56 	n-tech 	And fuck dude, if the god damn way it stores html and attachments isn't reason enough to look for a new system, there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Nothing is a bigger persuasive force than reality.
16:07:02 	n-tech 	@copypaste

16:40:08 	n-tech 	I know it's unfamiliar, but let me write up documetation for it. Spend a little bit of time getting to know the framework and it'll fall in place.
16:40:36 	~copypaste 	Can do
16:40:43 	~copypaste 	One thing
16:41:12 	~copypaste 	You really need to involve /operate/ early in development. A user in #8chan was complaining (or commenting i guess) that he only learned of this project through your forum
16:41:34 	n-tech 	Yea, for sure. Once I am cocks with the fundraising page I will hit up /operate/
16:41:41 	~copypaste 	The only one I actually know on your forum who has any IB operation experience is Glaive
16:41:59 	n-tech 	I've already gotten a PM from someone who ran Kusaba X and apparently that was nightmarish
16:42:05 	~copypaste 	Oh yes
16:42:08 	~copypaste 	If you think what we have is bad
16:42:13 	~copypaste 	Kusaba X was even worse.
16:42:25 	~copypaste 	TB was lightyears ahead of KX at the time. That's how it took over completely.
16:42:28 	n-tech 	I'm talking to JEWS about it too and I know some of their priorities.
16:42:44 	n-tech 	But yea, I'll try to get /operate/ on board. I just need to write my intro out better.
16:42:44 	[Desu] 	is JEWS online?
16:42:51 	n-tech 	JEWS is always online in our hearts
16:42:58 	[Desu] 	<3
16:43:24 	n-tech 	But uh, yeah, one second. I'm writing an obituary.
16:43:25 	[Desu] 	i guess i can email him
16:43:30 	[Desu] 	eh?! o.o
[…]
16:44:27 	n-tech 	i don't think I've ever felt it before
16:44:36 	~copypaste 	I will also propose to them that I will donate half of what was received in the large donation, 5BTC, if enough people think a rewrite should happen. I do think a rewrite should happen personally, but I'm more of the inclination that we might be able to possibly make it work without (again, it will be workaround city)
16:44:40 	[Desu] 	I… ouch… thats sad :c
16:44:45 	[Desu] 	*hugs n-tech*
16:44:50 	~copypaste 	But I don't feel right making a decision, for how to appropriate funds donated to 8chan, before the community even discusses it
16:44:53 	~copypaste 	I think that's the real problem here
16:45:01 	n-tech 	<3 thanks desu, i think older members will take it harder
16:45:05 	n-tech 	and yea copypaste it'll be a bit of a campaign
16:45:10 	n-tech 	That's why I was local releasing the fundraiser
16:45:16 	n-tech 	I need to work on my silver tongue a bit
16:45:20 	[Desu] 	your doing a fundraiser n-tech?
16:45:23 	n-tech 	yea
16:45:26 	n-tech 	https://larachan.org
16:45:27 	[Desu] 	what for?
16:45:28 	n-tech 	if you want to poke around
16:45:32 	n-tech 	the rewrite lol
16:45:38 	[Desu] 	oooh

Ignorance is kind of a shit excuse for HW putting up with Josh…

2015, May 19th

22:12:28 	~copypaste 	very nice n-tech
22:12:32 	~copypaste 	one last thing
22:12:39 	~copypaste 	the text is huge
22:13:17 	n-tech 	  font-size: 105%;
22:13:25 	~copypaste 	i can't even find where you set it
22:13:27 	n-tech 	i don't understand
22:13:28 	~copypaste 	it should be like 10px
22:13:33 	~copypaste 	look at a thread on 8ch
22:13:35 	n-tech 	the TEXT? for the POST?
22:13:39 	~copypaste 	yes.
22:13:41 	~copypaste 	the post text is huge.
22:13:45 	n-tech 	why the fuck would anyone want to read a post at 10px
22:13:48 	n-tech 	that's fucking abysmal
22:13:49 	~copypaste 	it's like 2.5x what it should be
22:13:54 	~copypaste 	that's the right size that's why
22:13:55 	~copypaste 	;_;
22:14:10 	n-tech 	It's not, and this is driving me up the fucking wall
22:14:18 	~copypaste 	um
22:14:23 	~copypaste 	you can compare 4chan too you know
22:14:27 	n-tech 	I work 16 hour days without taking weekends so that I can get everything done in under a month
22:14:36 	n-tech 	and the only thing anyone GIVES A FUCK ABOUT is the fucking post box and font size and blue
22:14:40 	n-tech 	I'm so hideously insulted
22:14:44 	~copypaste 	;_;
22:15:06 	~copypaste 	i'm just trying to prevent this from happening in your thread n-tech
22:15:15 	~copypaste 	rather you tell me you're insulted than them
22:15:16 	~copypaste 	( ???)
22:15:32 	n-tech 	I have absolutely no confidence in this succeeding because the criteria for success is completely superficial
22:15:40 	faggetttss 	i am insulted at the size of this post box
22:15:45 	n-tech 	people like to gloat that they're totally NOT like reddit because reddit is so web 2.0
22:15:52 	n-tech 	but the only thing they care about is design shit

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT HOTWHEELS REEEEEEEEEEE

https://archive.is/tKWLL

Okay, so the #8chan-dev logs have been made publicly available by HW going a long way back.

I'm going to post relevant stuff from January here first since I'm working with the >>>/4irc/ anon, and once we're finished I'll just post the 4irc link with everything in order, and an archive of the thread, and delete these posts.

Sorry it's so long, but you knew January would be dense. I clipped out what I thought no one would care about.

2016.01.01

#8chan-dev anticipating new (second?) Next migration

http://irclogs.8ch.net/rizon/%238chan-dev/2016-01-01

https://archive.is/jy51F

04:32:52 	LordRothschild 	holy shit
04:32:57 	LordRothschild 	next is finally happening
04:33:06 	LordRothschild 	>inb4 error
04:33:07 	StephenLynx 	kek
04:33:14 	StephenLynx 	it was also happening two weeks ago.
04:33:32 	>> 	Skwid (~lmao@Len.Is.Best.Shota) has joined #8chan-dev
04:33:35 	StephenLynx 	I just want to see what kind of excuse they will have if it fails again.
04:43:01 	brkk 	`PHP WAS A MISTAKE`
[...]
07:28:20 	StephenLynx 	http://8ch.net/tech/src/1451590664558.png
07:28:32 	StephenLynx 	gee, who could imagine josh was lying to get his money?
08:28:08 	BigMac 	pfff
[...]
12:17:17 	LordRothschild 	infinity next migration seems to be ok so far
12:17:28 	LordRothschild 	n-tech seems to be busy
12:17:30 	LordRothschild 	so no banter
12:18:02 	StephenLynx 	kek
12:18:07 	StephenLynx 	the migration is not the issue.
12:18:20 	StephenLynx 	and btw
12:18:24 	StephenLynx 	there was an issue
12:18:31 	StephenLynx 	that caused them to start all over.
12:18:42 	StephenLynx 	because the first migration of just new stuff didn't worked out.
12:19:49 	LordRothschild 	rip
12:20:39 	StephenLynx 	I would still wait to declare it kill though
12:29:33 	Chocolate_Chip 	wait
12:29:51 	Chocolate_Chip 	If there's an infinity next migration happening, why isn't there any messages saying that
12:29:56 	StephenLynx 	hehehe
12:30:07 	StephenLynx 	if it fails, how will the mob know?
12:30:10 	StephenLynx 	indeed
12:30:16 	StephenLynx 	why isn't there an announcement?
12:30:22 	Chocolate_Chip 	Is it happening now>
12:30:26 	Chocolate_Chip 	Everything is still up
12:30:30 	StephenLynx 	its been happening for a while.

12:30:43 	LordRothschild 	they're keeping the vichan version up this time
12:30:51 	StephenLynx 	if only you knew how bad things really are.
12:31:16 	Chocolate_Chip 	StephenLynx, I was there during the fail
12:31:18 	StephenLynx 	josh just admittedly said he lied about his promises.
12:31:28 	Chocolate_Chip 	where
12:31:30 	StephenLynx 	sec
12:31:44 	StephenLynx 	http://8ch.net/next/res/3556.html#3762
12:32:05 	StephenLynx 	he was always more concerned about making his money than the well-being of 8ch.
12:32:07 	StephenLynx 	but hey
12:32:15 	StephenLynx 	I think its a little too late now.
12:32:22 	Chocolate_Chip 	I didn't know about this board
12:32:25 	StephenLynx 	heh
12:32:34 	StephenLynx 	I am telling you.
12:32:41 	Chocolate_Chip 	I thought he lived in Japan
12:32:42 	StephenLynx 	you have no idea how bad things really are.
12:32:47 	Chocolate_Chip 	The user flag is Philipeens
12:33:04 	StephenLynx 	most people dont't and there was no effort in informing people besides "GIB MONI, SITE IS KILL"
12:33:05 	LordRothschild 	oh wow
12:33:13 	LordRothschild 	you really do have no idea
12:33:24 	LordRothschild 	what's going on do you
12:33:55 	StephenLynx 	even HW told me he misjudged josh's intentions at some point, a few months ago.
12:34:19 	Chocolate_Chip 	I guess I'm in the dark
12:34:32 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> anyway, i misinterpreted josh's actions a few days ago and that's why i contacted you. lynxchan still is pretty interesting though, i hope you keep developing it, so when the time comes for a switchover, they canb e compared.
12:34:51 	StephenLynx 	but he wouldn't explain what exactly happened.
12:35:47 	LordRothschild 	>inb4 FBI took over
12:35:52 	StephenLynx 	what we know is that josh always had his money as top priority and lied shamelessly to protect it.
12:36:08 	StephenLynx 	I wouldn't be surprised if part of the shit he talks about me is out of malice and not ignorance.
[...]
12:37:11 	StephenLynx 	I got the logs even from before HW decided to go with next
12:37:15 	StephenLynx 	and it was called larachan
12:37:22 	StephenLynx 	oh man
12:37:32 	Chocolate_Chip 	Also saw Josh's page on Encyclopedia Dramatica
12:37:51 	Chocolate_Chip 	It's vastly out of date and he used to use odd nicknames I've never seen him use now
12:38:34 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> I told this guy that
12:38:34 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> And what does he do?
12:38:34 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> Creates a brand new awful style
12:38:34 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> Look at that floating reply box lol
12:38:34 	StephenLynx 	<StephenLynx> I don't intend to give much input on the front-end.
12:38:35 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> Not even the colors are the same. Can you imagine deploying this?
12:38:42 	StephenLynx 	he is talking about josh here.

Oh, you asked on /cow/, yeah this is seamless between posts.

12:38:53 	Chocolate_Chip 	hmm
12:38:58 	StephenLynx 	it surprises me that he was so concerned about this back then
12:39:04 	StephenLynx 	and then let josh run amok.
12:39:23 	StephenLynx 	<copypaste> One requirement is no big departure from the current style. 
12:39:25 	Chocolate_Chip 	I don't really understand the need for Infinty Next, but I can only say that it looks modern 
12:39:38 	Chocolate_Chip 	I don't know enough to criticize it though
12:39:41 	StephenLynx 	the need is to fix the IO issue on the current software.
12:39:53 	StephenLynx 	it could be achieve in a number of ways.
12:40:03 	StephenLynx 	some dude recently actually fixed it
12:40:17 	StephenLynx 	by writing pages to RAM instead of the disk.
12:40:39 	StephenLynx 	the other is writing new software that doesn't saturates IO, like next or lynxchan.
12:41:03 	StephenLynx 	infinity is also extremely hacked and bad to maintain, so I can understand the need of a new back-end.
12:41:17 	Chocolate_Chip 	I personally don't like these Rich User Experience websites
12:41:21 	StephenLynx 	but problem with josh is that he is a front-end developer that sees himself as a genius.
12:41:29 	StephenLynx 	thus, the bullshit UI of next.
12:41:34 	Chocolate_Chip 	Still though, it's better than the message boards of the late 1990's on the web
12:41:57 	StephenLynx 	but a worse experience than current chan software we have.
12:42:42 	Chocolate_Chip 	I was told that the software 4chan runs was last updated in 2004
12:42:49 	Chocolate_Chip 	That true?
12:42:58 	StephenLynx 	no idea.
12:43:02 	StephenLynx 	but I think that is incorrect.
12:43:19 	Chocolate_Chip 	The software is older though, isn't it?
12:43:43 	StephenLynx 	I don't really know, since its proprietary.
12:43:54 	StephenLynx 	and even moot wasn't transparent about its changes.
12:44:16 	StephenLynx 	and hiro isn't going to be any better
12:44:29 	StephenLynx 	since he's more malicious.
[...]
12:45:39 	LordRothschild 	4chan
12:45:47 	LordRothschild 	did actually update their software
12:45:54 	LordRothschild 	nobody knows full details tho
[...]
17:09:10 	LordRothschild 	haven't been any Twitter updates
17:09:12 	LordRothschild 	in a while
17:09:15 	LordRothschild 	lemme go check
17:09:55 	LordRothschild 	https://mobile.twitter.com/8ntech/status/682772171215601664

17:13:12 	LordRothschild 	it's gonna fucking fail
17:13:20 	LordRothschild 	too long without update
17:13:25 	LordRothschild 	dead silent in IRC
17:14:01 	Chocolate_Chip 	It's 1 am 
17:14:07 	Chocolate_Chip 	3 for the east coast
17:25:01 	LordRothschild 	silent night
17:25:06 	LordRothschild 	no next to be seen
17:25:21 	LordRothschild 	the part I dislike most isn't the UI issues
17:25:24 	LordRothschild 	the delays
17:25:37 	LordRothschild 	the bugs and unfinished features
17:25:51 	LordRothschild 	I just wish Josh was more professional about it all

See, this is the kind of shit I mean about IRC, you have this Chocolate_Chip guy who apparently hangs around and jokes and talks and desperately wants to fit in, in #8chan-dev, but he just has no idea what's happening with the site, like less than people on /operate/ did, or if 4chan's software was updated since…2004. This is what I'm talking about with IRC cliques. Oh what, Josh has a board for Next? He's not living in Japan? What, huh? Seemingly just some random furry/brony who wants to kiss ass and be one of the cool kids. This is the exact reason I hate IRC. Nothing to do with the protocol itself.

On the other hand, at least Lynx seems to actually use 8chan.

2016.01.02

#8chan-dev - All about the migration, this one's long

http://irclogs.8ch.net/rizon/%238chan-dev/2016-01-02

https://archive.is/vk6dE

08:57:35 	rebob1 	Why does beta.8ch.net 503?
08:58:03 	LordRothschild 	importation
08:58:06 	LordRothschild 	in progress
08:58:24 	rebob1 	Does it have to be locked down during the import?
08:59:41 	LordRothschild 	you're not gonna see it during the import
08:59:51 	LordRothschild 	if you wanna see a site working more
09:00:00 	LordRothschild 	just go to infinitydev
09:00:05 	OdiliTime 	to reduce load
09:00:08 	OdiliTime 	so it goes quicker
09:00:43 	LordRothschild 	if we're lucky
09:00:47 	LordRothschild 	it will finish
09:02:20 	rebob1 	Okay, reduce load. I can understand that. infinitydev is down, btw.
[...]
05:42:11 	LordRothschild 	next soon
05:43:39 	LordRothschild 	god help us all
06:09:27 	* 	StephenLynx grabs some popcorn.
06:10:28 	LordRothschild 	"I'm going to import cow and v first because they were the ones who bitched about it the most"
06:10:31 	LordRothschild 	nothing
06:10:33 	LordRothschild 	can possibly
06:10:35 	LordRothschild 	go wrong
06:31:47 	__uguu__ 	indeed
06:31:52 	__uguu__ 	that is a really good idea (tm)
08:48:32 	LordRothschild 	dawn of the final day
08:49:15 	OdiliTime 	Next or bust
08:49:49 	LordRothschild 	/sp/ seemed to like it better
09:10:17 	__uguu__ 	lol, endchan turned into the 8chan bunker
09:10:59 	StephenLynx 	over 154 unique ips. not too shabby.
11:23:10 		[copypaste back: gone 14:28:39]
[...]
12:41:40 	LordRothschild 	gosh 8channers XD its already 2016!!!
12:41:51 	LordRothschild 	you're still using your old software
12:41:53 	LordRothschild 	?
12:42:02 	StephenLynx 	HW and jim sure are patient.
12:42:06 	LordRothschild 	get with da timez lmao :D

Good discussion between czaks and Lynx so I left it in…czaks emphasizing worry about copypaste's detachment even in #8chan-dev.

No idea why Lynx doesn't seem to notice the difference, I mean, he was on 8ch before May I'm pretty sure.

He also seems to see it as this inevitable and natural thing for HW to turn into another moot entirely, as if he never read any of that stuff from HW about community engagement.

12:42:14 	StephenLynx 	I don't think josh will get a third chance though.
[...]
12:43:37 	LordRothschild 	if there isn't an exodus
12:43:50 	LordRothschild 	it'll be a success
12:44:04 	StephenLynx 	eh
12:44:10 	StephenLynx 	there is already kind of happening an exodus.
12:44:22 	StephenLynx 	both /v/ and /pol/ are trying to suppress endchan
12:45:03 	LordRothschild 	people aren't exactly optimistic lol
12:45:21 	LordRothschild 	I had high hopes previously
12:45:36 	LordRothschild 	ripip
12:47:20 		[copypaste away: Not here right now. since 2016-01-03 12:47:20+0800]
12:47:25 		[copypaste back: gone 00:00:04]
12:51:17 	LordRothschild 	endchan?
12:51:28 	StephenLynx 	endchan.xyz
13:13:54 	czaks 	05:42:02 < StephenLynx> HW and jim sure are patient.
13:14:09 	czaks 	i suppose they actually ignore that
13:14:24 	StephenLynx 	I dunno, they both seem to care about 8ch.
13:14:46 	StephenLynx 	if they stopped caring, it would be sudden.
13:15:27 	czaks 	StephenLynx: when did you last seen HW doing something publically?
13:15:41 	StephenLynx 	he just might be discrete.
13:15:54 	StephenLynx 	you know what people say about good moderation
13:16:03 	StephenLynx 	that when you dont notice, its because its being done well.
13:16:24 	StephenLynx 	I dont say I would put my hand on the fire for them, but I can't say I had the impression they don't care.
13:16:29 	StephenLynx 	so they would ignore something like this
13:16:55 	czaks 	dunno, but well
13:17:05 	czaks 	from one of the last josh irclogs
13:17:08 	StephenLynx 	most times 8ch was kill was because some hardware limitation that couldn't be fixed easily.
13:17:14 	czaks 	we learned that both of them don't care enough
13:17:21 	czaks 	even josh doesn't
13:17:25 	StephenLynx 	i saw some logs around
13:17:32 	czaks 	but there is a third party actor no-one knows
13:17:33 	StephenLynx 	could you link which ones, specifically?
13:17:34 	czaks 	who does

13:18:05 	StephenLynx 	i know josh only cares about his own ass
13:18:11 	StephenLynx 	that I know very well
13:19:28 	czaks 	just like every human
13:19:29 	czaks 	:^)
13:20:54 	OdiliTime 	From what I know czaks is right. There are logs that josh said all that
13:22:51 	StephenLynx 	yeah, but what did hw and jim said/
13:23:13 	StephenLynx 	they just might don't want to talk and have people going ape shit
13:23:21 	StephenLynx 	its pretty common for that to happen
13:23:38 	StephenLynx 	the more stuff you have around you, the less you talk publicly.
13:24:17 	czaks 	StephenLynx: compared to their previous public relations
13:24:22 	czaks 	now they don't talk at all
13:24:52 	StephenLynx 	I got 2 arguments for that:
13:24:57 	StephenLynx 	1: the stuff around them grew
13:25:04 	StephenLynx 	2: they learned that lesson in practice.
13:25:22 	StephenLynx 	it happened to moot too
13:25:32 	StephenLynx 	the more 4chan grew, the less he talked.
13:25:49 	StephenLynx 	this is why everyone big in some stuff has layers of PR between them and the public.
13:25:53 	StephenLynx 	this is fame 101.
13:25:57 	StephenLynx 	e-fame is no different.
13:26:28 	StephenLynx 	all I am saying is that this public silence is not evidence that they don't care.
13:27:04 	StephenLynx 	afaik, they are still doing their best to keep 8ch usable.
13:27:06 	LordRothschild 	I miss
13:27:13 	LordRothschild 	chatting with them though
13:27:19 	StephenLynx 	welp
13:27:35 	LordRothschild 	like it had a personal touch
13:27:48 	LordRothschild 	you KNEW they cared
13:27:49 	czaks 	hotwheels was recently on #8chan
13:28:07 	LordRothschild 	mostly abandoned as a meme sewer though
13:28:30 	czaks 	he talked a little bit, but he used some accesibility device
13:29:21 	<< 	StephenLynx (~StephenLy@Rizon-225C526F.user.veloxzone.com.br) has quit (Quit: Leaving)
13:29:23 	LordRothschild 	like
13:29:34 	LordRothschild 	remember when operate or whatever
13:29:41 	LordRothschild 	got him to try the double down dog?
13:29:54 	LordRothschild 	kek
13:30:01 	czaks 	double down dog? wtf

[...]
14:01:55 	Fr33K 	any reason josh has gone into hiding while doing migration take 2?
14:02:03 	Fr33K 	cant take people calling him a hack any more?
14:04:28 	LordRothschild 	can't handle the banter
14:04:51 	OdiliTime 	he's on twitter
14:05:02 	LordRothschild 	not in IRC or 8chan
14:06:32 	DuneCoon 	im surprised he dropped off irc
14:07:46 	rebob1 	Its taken five hours so far to migrate the last board
[...]
17:08:25 	LordRothschild 	the import sucks dick
17:23:25 	Fr33K 	he flipped the switch
17:31:56 	Fr33K 	why he didnt import /v/ /pol/ and the other top 10 active boards last so they didnt loose days of content ill never know
[...]
17:44:01 	Fr33K 	oh look people are reacting exactly how i said they would
17:44:03 	Fr33K 	fucking hell
17:45:03 	LordRothschild 	and
17:45:09 	Fr33K 	oh hey we have shitty captcha but no flood post/double post detection
17:45:12 	LordRothschild 	he intentionally made it extra annoying
17:45:22 	czaks 	i made like
17:45:31 	czaks 	5 pages of shitthreads
17:45:36 	czaks 	with just a mouse
17:45:41 	LordRothschild 	it also loads like shit
17:46:00 	czaks 	it's php, no static pages, etc.
[...]
17:51:24 	LordRothschild 	god damn
17:51:31 	LordRothschild 	this has been going horribly wrong
17:52:10 	Fr33K 	thats a godamn understatment
17:52:31 	LordRothschild 	even with the software issues
17:52:37 	LordRothschild 	this could have been handled
17:52:39 	LordRothschild 	so much better
17:53:08 	LordRothschild 	it's like Josh is asking to get doxxed and gang raped by angry anons
17:53:58 	Fr33K 	this is what iv been saying
17:54:08 	Fr33K 	him with his the silent majority will like it
17:54:10 	Fr33K 	fucking christ
17:54:21 	LordRothschild 	its not even that
17:54:22 	Fr33K 	iv been saying this will all go to shit the second he forced people to use next
[...]
17:54:44 	LordRothschild 	the import didn't go well
17:54:53 	LordRothschild 	no board settings preventing flood
17:54:57 	LordRothschild 	a shit meme rocket ui

17:55:12 	Fr33K 	well i was pointing that out on /v/ last night, not importing the most active boards last, and his 'funky' plan to put up memerocket ui
17:55:21 	LordRothschild 	"haha I'm gonna force you to use this UI"
17:55:42 	LordRothschild 	"I will do v first because they complained the most"
17:55:47 	czaks 	wew
17:55:53 	czaks 	i suppose i got banned
17:55:55 	LordRothschild 	I gave him benefit of the doubt but holy shit
17:55:59 	czaks 	due to some funposting
[...]
17:57:19 	LordRothschild 	webms
17:57:22 	LordRothschild 	aren't playing
17:57:45 	czaks 	>Whoops, looks like something went wrong.
17:57:59 	LordRothschild 	errors out the ass
17:58:08 	LordRothschild 	god damn fuck you josh
17:58:20 	LordRothschild 	I actually had faith you at least somewhat cared
17:58:43 	czaks 	>41 pages
17:58:51 	LordRothschild 	42 now
17:58:57 	LordRothschild 	and yeah
17:59:00 	LordRothschild 	looks like
17:59:03 	LordRothschild 	that was misplaced
17:59:06 	czaks 	i want to post my ban message
17:59:12 	czaks 	but the captcha doesn't display
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18:03:48 	JB 	what's wrong with the migration
18:04:02 	OdiliTime 	it's done
18:04:15 	OdiliTime 	so boards are missing content tho to be expected
18:04:21 	LordRothschild 	its a chaotic clusterfuck
18:04:29 	LordRothschild 	in which everything is burning down
18:04:30 	OdiliTime 	there's a bunch of spammers hitting the server right now
18:04:49 	LordRothschild 	also which idiot forgot to turn on flood protection?
18:04:53 	LordRothschild 	it matters not
18:05:00 	LordRothschild 	only oblivion now
18:08:36 	LordRothschild 	>yeah moot and other imageboard owners never wing shit
18:08:46 	LordRothschild 	oh fuck you josh
18:08:49 	LordRothschild 	come into irc
18:08:54 	czaks 	YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY CALL IT INFINITY CHAN?
18:08:56 	czaks 	BECAUSE YOU CAN SPAM INFINITELY
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18:10:13 	LordRothschild 	where's copypaste
18:11:38 	czaks 	did i just lose my reply window?
18:11:47 	czaks 	i can't shitpost anymore, apparently

18:15:04 	Fr33K 	hahaha he doesnt even show up in 8chan dev
18:15:34 	LordRothschild 	just makes vague shitposts on v
18:15:39 	LordRothschild 	not even mark
18:15:43 	LordRothschild 	or the hotpockets
18:15:46 	LordRothschild 	are defending him
18:16:18 	>> 	milez (~gr3y@i.am.l33t) has joined #8chan-dev
18:18:12 	LordRothschild 	milez
18:18:20 	LordRothschild 	we're all fucked
18:18:43 	milez 	I been lurking moar
18:18:58 	milez 	looks grim
18:19:36 	LordRothschild 	like
18:19:42 	LordRothschild 	people are shilling alt chans now
18:19:50 	LordRothschild 	hotwheels really ought
18:19:55 	LordRothschild 	to get his ass back in
18:19:59 	JB 	the beta site just gave me an error message containing the sql database ip, user name, and password
18:20:09 	JB 	i kinda feel like i shouldnt be seeing that
18:20:17 	milez 	pastebin or it didn't happen
18:20:38 	milez 	ohhh
18:20:38 	OdiliTime 	there are a ton of screenshot of that happening
18:20:41 	milez 	I see it
18:20:41 	LordRothschild 	HAHAHAHA
18:20:43 	OdiliTime 	but I'm not going to spread them
18:20:45 	Fr33K 	https://8ch.net/v/src/1451816157972.jpg
18:20:50 	Fr33K 	https://8ch.net/v/src/1451816121472.png
18:20:50 	milez 	well that's mebarrassing
18:20:55 	milez 	*embarrassing
18:20:57 	Fr33K 	its all over /v/
18:21:04 	OdiliTime 	that's lose your job type shit right there
18:21:09 	JB 	babby's first web server
18:21:11 	Fr33K 	on the stickied thread
18:21:13 	LordRothschild 	well
18:21:17 	LordRothschild 	that explains
18:21:27 	milez 	well where are those guys???
18:21:35 	LordRothschild 	why he ended up moving to the phillipines for a meme code "job"
18:22:04 	LordRothschild 	>63 pages
18:22:13 	LordRothschild 	we're damned aren't we
18:23:26 	JB 	unfortunately that also opens up 8chan to DDOS because now people will know what the real origin IP is and cloudflare is useless
18:24:06 	milez 	[IP redacted just in case it's still the same]	United States 	Nevada	Reno	N.t. Technology Inc.
18:24:23 	LordRothschild 	WOW
18:24:28 	JB 	where is the thread for this

>>70

Josh had gone into "hiding", because Kiwi and with it all his stuff was rekt. Apparently, he uses some bouncer he "needs" for entering god damn Rizon. Over the 3 years running internet autism forums powered by xenForo, he made many enemies. He is also the complete contrary to Hotwheels in that regard. HW simply doesn't give a fuck whereas Null has to address all his advisory despite the fact that most of them are either huge losers or just losely connected to Kiwi. This is why some backwater calling itself sociopath community nuked Kiwi by posting something illegal and then contacting the hosting company. Its one of the oldest trolling tricks in the book.

Also Adventure mode will come back but without the autism rocket. Although clickinng on the rocket just to shitpost "RED ROCKET! RED ROCKET!" at the destination was pretty funny

>>72

>18:15:34 LordRothschild just makes vague shitposts on v

>18:15:39 LordRothschild not even mark

>18:15:43 LordRothschild or the hotpockets

>18:15:46 LordRothschild are defending him

Josh being Josh. This was a problem that could have been managed better by HW. I have a suspicion why he was like he was during the last half year. It may pop up when I find some logs that back it up.

The error message thing was due to Josh' autism and stuff not being there. Since I now know why Larachan was deployed the way it was, I can see why everyone would be angry at Josh for this.