/wrol/ - Without rule of law, or shtf.

Beaver Island already has established farms, we could use and adapt those,

>>326

Farming/gardening isn't something you just pick up and start doing. It's a skill set that requires prior knowledge and learning.

For example, how do you treat tomatoes with blight? Or fruit baring trees with fire blight or cork spot?

Did you know corn, apples, and various other edible plants need to be cross-pollinated?

Field rotation? To prevent soil exhaustion.

Nitrogen sources? Chicken shit makes an excellent nitrogen source.

Where is your protein coming from? Peanuts? Tofu? Livestock? Livestock have varying requirements. If not livestock,then wildlife. That is a whole other skill set…hunting. Then another skill set, Food Preservation.

What about a bad harvest? Pest control? What if the local wildlife population is hit with a bad fast spreading disease with a high mortality rate? What about the possibility of over hunting?

How do you store your grains, tubers, ground level, hanging edibles in the long term? Man power for harvesting? Do you take from your defensive manpower?

What about possible contamination? If for some reason you can't use the inside sanitary facilities, be it loss in water pressure, power failure, ect… and you start using cat holes and slit trenches , you need to keep that way away from any food sources. The local water table will pick up that waste and drag it all over the place.

These are things you need to know and think about, BEFORE you're standing in front of an empty field with a hoe and a straw hat in hand.

Various survival manuals have detailed information on edible plants and tests to determine a plants edibility. Instructions on how to make certain inedible plants, edible.

>>327

yes, it the point of this thread to discuss on how we're gonna do it, we always have fishing and scavenging if it comes down to it, the pre-established farms will help and we will most likely have experiences farmers with us to help in terms of experience and expertise.

>>328

I would plan on fishing being a primary source of meat, with hunting as a secondary. Scavenging is a gambit on an island, you eventually run out of locations to source for items and have to expanded outside the island. Then the risk of being followed and attacked becomes a big possibility or attacked outright during your scavenging.

Never assume anything. Murphy has a way of taking your assumptions and turning them inside out. It's also just a good idea to have a general knowledge on farming/gardening in the event something goes awry or you're stuck without an experienced party. Something like a pocket guide is always a benefit, even if just for reference.

>>330

>followed

assuming were going to beaver island its going to be kinda hard for a pack of dindus to follow us on a boat without us seeing them and blowing the fuck out of the water.

Uh, I know how to grow pot. Does that help?

I got nutrients and seeds I can bring. I imagine it'll be worth it's weight in gold in SHTF.

>>334

Come on dude, nothing is that simple. No one, but the dumbest of retards is going to follow directly behind you back to your lair. They'll stay just within line of sight of you as you return and once they know you're on the island, they'll come back at a later date or route themselves to a different landing spot. Besides, what'd gonna do, engage every boat on Lake Michigan within visual range of the island?

You're not going to be the only group in the area with a tactical disposition or at the very least a drive to survive. It'd be nothing for a group to recon your location and determine where you keep your supplies.

Like I said, I'm not trying to be the party crasher, but these are things that need to be planned out prior to the endeavour.

Establishing an island QRF and counter-surveillance team are very important. As well as every participant of a scavenger having a general knowledge and attitude of being situationally aware.

>>347

Any experience is a step up. Pot is really hardy, it'll pretty much grow anywhere.

Hemp in general will be a highly valued commodity. It's easy to work with can be be made onto anything.

>>348

Beaver is close to Detroit and Cleveland. So there's hordes of dindus we can offload the shit to. Problem is, what do dindus have that would be of value to us?

>>349

Ammunition, fuel, food stuffs, parts, electronicsr ect… an Island isn't exactly ripe with junk food or manufacturing facilities.

Set up a small travelling caravan with hemp/pot and some other odds and ends, maybe Beaver Island Booze (easy enough to make cider, wine, mead, ect…) stop into the island every month or so for resupply, change out volunteers, ect..

>>351

>trusting ammo from dindus

I know how to make mead, too. But with that, comes more problems.

Where are we going to get four or five pounds of honey per gallon of mead we make? Honey is going to dry up once shit hits the fan.

>>348

I see your point, perhaps we can establish some sort of boarding system.

also

>growing weed

at least you'll have a good trading material.

>>349

Technically it is, but barriers such as forests, lakes and rivers make it hard for them to get close, and assuming they go on the roads they're gonna run out of food fast and end up killing eachother. that and I don't think dindus would exactly cooperate by that I mean they're gonna try and rob us or go super fucking cheap on the trades not a stormfag but most niggrahs after going through that shit will try and rob you.

>>351

Starving dindus probably won't have too much to trade, however if there are some not-dindu Blacks out there or whites/asians we can trade with them or even help them set up something on one of the other Islands.

>>352

I wouldn't trust anything self-manufactured by them, but it's from a stockpile they control, I would. It'd be easy enough to check for tampering.

What? Dude, honey would be abundant. It's a matter of finding large enough hives to produce it. Beekeeping is a relatively simple skill or forging for natural honey, which is how it was done before beekeeping was used to source honey. Also, why don't you have a decent supply on hand? It literally keeps forever.

Besides, you don't have to make solely Mead, you could do Dandelion Wine, Cider, Kilju, Moonshine, Vodka, ect…

>>353

You could make buoys, once a craft passes those points, it could be considered within your defensive zone and be boarded. It'd be a good idea to have at least a few people with waterborne operations knowledge. Operating on a watercraft and in water is a whole different ballgame than operating on terra firma.

All situational dependent, of course non-dindus would be the best trade partners, but it's possible dindus could stake out claims over areas and within that area could be valuable commonidities you need or want.

>>359

I can white trash mash, its really fucking simple and disgusting, I used it for pranks

>milk jug, fill with water

>add 1/2 teaspoon of flour

>add 17 teaspoons of sugar

>put kool-aid mix in there

>a small penny sized piece of bread

>a little bit of paprika

>stir that shit nigga

>let sit for an hour

>put cap on

>leave it next to a heater for 2 months (best done in winter)

>open the cap everyday and then put it back on

after 2 months is over enjoy your drink!

P.S. you'll fucking vomit at the smell of it

also with the permanent residents I'm sure some have boat piloting experience it being an Island and all, and I don't quite understand the buoys, elaborate. If they were dindus the whole point of giving them that name is to say you can't reason or interact with them much.

Besides the dindus will probably get into enslaving women and raping them or something so we might start /k/rusades against them or something.

>>362

Sounds absolutely foul, lol.

I'd imagine that would be likely, but you also want individuals that have knowledge of what to expect when engaging watercraft (from land and other watercraft), fighting on watercraft (either as a gunboat and or boarding another craft), and layout of general nautical facilities (ports,landing points, beaches, ect…). Think of it in terms of Marines, Naval Infantry, or Brown-water Navy; individuals knowledgeable in Riverine Operations, Waterborne Operations, Beachhead Operations, Port Defense, Boarding Party,Coastal Defense, ect… to break it down further, these individuals would know how to easily convert miles to nautical miles to klicks and back again, capable of reading water charts and topographical maps, general knowledge of marintine facilities, general knowledge on vessels, familair with simple diving, snorkeling, and treading water, familiar in ship boarding procedure, familiar in obstacale constrcution on beachheads and causeways (Czech Hedgehogs, Rommels Asparagus, Tetradon, Belgian Gate, ect..)

Buoys would be used as territorial markers, essentially a CDIZ (Coastal Defense Identification Zone). You place them at intervals off the islands coast, say 2000yds, 1000yds, and 500yds. You don't engage or target any vessels outside this area. Once a vessel crosses into this area, they're warned verbally and given a shots across the bow. If they continue on their path, you engage. The buoys can also act as reference points for shooters, they know that a certain color buoys marks a certain distance.

Another consideration would be individuals familar with Pioneer/Engineering Operations. Knowing how to bulld corduroy road and bridges can come in handy.

>>363

Time for some research lol

I doubt dindus would know what those are, that and if they see us they may tell their friends so we must at least contact them so they don't come back with dozens of ships to attack us, also were going to have to work on using artillery or anti-ship weaponry pls no watchlist

>>366

The buoys would be more for your use than as a warning to others. They'll provided a visual benchmark for distance and as reference for when a vessel is too close. 2000yrds is far enough out to hinder any vessels from engaging you with small arm effectively (its the maximum effective range of an M2 .50cal), but once they pass within 2000yrds that quickly changes.

Using any kind of indirect fires (artillery) requires a static physical reference point. Even if you're going to pre-sight your tubes, you still need a reference point.

>>377

True, but I still think it would be a good Idea to send stealth ships to see what the fuck any ships that come near us are doing, maybe even get some trading partners or something.

>>408

Nothing wrong with having gunboats or small low visibility vessels. Layered security is something to be worked towards, you have personnel on the ground and water, providing support to each others missions.

You could have a designated "tradesman" on each vessel. Someone that doubles as a rifle, but who once intentions of the vessel in question have been confirmed can breakout the fine china and talk shop.

The one thing you don't want to do is make it a habit of allowing vessels into an area close to the island to trade, that invites too much of a possible "Trojan Horse" scenario. A designated area, outside your parameter is what you want (on land or at a designed port elsewhere, or both). The worst feeling in the world is realizing you have no where to fall back to, because they're in the castle. This allows you to maintain island security, trade openly, yet allows the patrol/trade crews to fall back if attacked and keeps a buffer between the island and the attacking group.

>>419

Perhaps we could use another island for meeting up to trade, and of course come out with a system like we take their weapons and give it back to them afterwards while were armed to the fucking teeth or something.

yeah were going to have to have some sort of patrol, if nothing else on the beach alone. Have the yuppies just sit and watch the water because it's the only thing they can SOMETIMES do right, we could always have "tests" and have us come right up on them and if they don't even react we do something like give them demerits or something.

>>426

Not a bad idea. Keeps wandering eyes off the island, but keeps you close enough to home if trouble comes knocking. Could even set up stalls and a kind of market.

I wouldn't trust yuppies to do any kind of security, unless they prove they're capable of pulling their watch and keeping a keen eye. While food, water, and shelter are paramount, it is security that keeps those things in your possession and control.

>>436

Yeah, now that I think about it the fucking yuppies will be more than eager to plant vegetables like a bitch. The only problem is if they try and turn it into a leftist paradise in which case we might have to do some exiling/ execution.

would potatoes be viable for growing?

>>492

Potatoes are very hardy plants and don't require an extreme amount of water or care, but they only really grow well in cold climates. Canada, Ireland, Russia, what have you.

Might make for a decent winter carb, but wheat would be easier to make work and also regrows itself seasonally, not to mention barley will grow on the same fields in the summer.

In my state, actually, there are entire acres of farmland where barley and wheat cycle totally naturally. Sure, the land isn't pure so there are weeds and bugs and other grasses and small plants, but it just shows that oats are a no-hassle crop. Bread and other grain products would be better for you than potatoes, anyway.

>>492

>>501

growing potatoes seem like a double edged sword

advantage: they grow well in shitty climates

disadvantage: they only grow exceptionally well in those shitty climates

how about growing rice in the various bogs on the sland?

>>502

>>501

>>511

>>492

Guys why not just grow as many cereal crops as possible? If one of them fails, we would have reserves. Also, Oats and Potatoes is bitchin' you aint fucks with the Oats and Potatoes then you a bitch.

Can I be the Dindu translator?

>>537

True, but Corn for example has more gain for the effort and land it takes to grow it opposed to wheat, however wheat is good in the fact it's more preservable and has nutrients that are hard to get elsewhere.

>>327

>Nitrogen sources? Chicken shit makes an excellent nitrogen source.

>>327

Not that I'd have any means of joining you guys in a happening, but I do know the basics of cultivating plants. I've been planting shit since I was a kid.

>For example, how do you treat tomatoes with blight?

Wot?

>Did you know corn, apples, and various other edible plants need to be cross-pollinated

I don't see how knowing that makes any difference, bees and the wind will pollinate it,

>Field rotation? To prevent soil exhaustion.

Yup, basically all you need to know is establish different plots and plant different shit in each of them every year(keeping track of what you planted previously). Sure it wont be 100% efficient, since different plants deplete different shit, and what you plant will be determined by chance, but in an emergency situation its good enough, odd are it would be somewhat balanced.

>Nitrogen sources? Chicken shit makes an excellent nitrogen source.

Human piss is good too, its sterile. Best thing to do is piss into a compost heap/box and it wont even smell bad for some reason that is unknown to me. If you've got good compost going it shouldn't give off any smells(besides the smell of dirt).

>Where is your protein coming from?

I'd imagine farming wild rabbits and fishing would do at the very least. I'm sure you could hunt other shit too.

>How do you store your grains, tubers, ground level, hanging edibles in the long term?

I'm sure you could dry all the produce and store it underground where it would be cool. You can also can it provided you have the jars and stuff. You can dry or smoke the meat you produce. From what I understand coating the dried meat and vegetables in fat is a way to preserve it.

As for man power, I'm sure your entire group doesn't need to be in defensive positions 24/7. all you'd need are a few scouts and watchmen to alert the group, who would drop what ever they're doing and get into position. Also women and children can harvest.

>What about possible contamination?

You mean where does everyone shit if the shitter stops working? Probably in a designated shitter location, probably in an area that is lower than everything else. Maybe dig deep shitholes?

>>592

>>592

>Wot?

My point exactly. Once they've got blight, it's over.

>I don't see how knowing that makes any difference, bees and the wind will pollinate it,

It makes a difference in the fact you may be planting a crop not native to the area and should plant multiple in the same area. Rather than at separate locations where wind or insects my not be prevalent.

>Yup, basically all you need to know is establish different plots and plant different shit in each of them every year(keeping track of what you planted previously). Sure it wont be 100% efficient, since different plants deplete different shit, and what you plant will be determined by chance, but in an emergency situation its good enough, odd are it would be somewhat balanced.

Have to know to do it in order for it to happen.

>Human piss is good too, its sterile. Best thing to do is piss into a compost heap/box and it wont even smell bad for some reason that is unknown to me. If you've got good compost going it shouldn't give off any smells(besides the smell of dirt).

I was going with chicken droppings because some people won't eat food grown using human supplied nitrogen sources. Some people just can't jump that psychological hurdle.

>I'd imagine farming wild rabbits and fishing would do at the very least. I'm sure you could hunt other shit too

This is an island, wildlife is a finite resources and not all species may inhabit it. It also requires that an individual have a general idea of how to hunt and fish.

>I'm sure you could dry all the produce and store it underground where it would be cool. You can also can it provided you have the jars and stuff. You can dry or smoke the meat you produce. From what I understand coating the dried meat and vegetables in fat is a way to preserve it.

As for man power, I'm sure your entire group doesn't need to be in defensive positions 24/7. all you'd need are a few scouts and watchmen to alert the group, who would drop what ever they're doing and get into position. Also women and children can harvest.

Again, this is an island. The water table is going to be significantly higher than normal which will curtail an serious digging. Drying is a viable option, but if dried improperly results in spoilage, nor to mention it requires reconstitution. Smoking is a great way to preserve meat, but again requires prior knowledge.

Depends on the size of the group and each individuals knowledge and abilities. If a bunch of Streloks show up toting newly purchase rifles and read “Anarchists Cookbook”, having no other knowledge or experience, they're going to be relatively useless outside of simplistic labor until they're trained. Sure, you can point to a few in a crowd and deem them scouts and watchmen, but it's easy enough to slip by a few uncaring individuals sitting down on the edge of a beach or wood line.

My post wasn't aimed at any one single person, it's was to drive other Strerloks to ask themselves questions and do research. Sure, you and I may be familiar with gardening, farming, and horticulture in general, but that doesn't mean every here Sterlok is.

For example, fermenting foods as a form of extended preservation. It requires prior knowledge to do, but it provides many benefits, including health benefits and medical benefits. One of the best ways to preserve dairy in a still drinkable state. This isn't something you start out just knowing how to do.

I don't admin /wrol/, but I want to help all Sterloks in any way possible, sharing what I know is one way. I appreciate the reply, but we need to encourage other Sterloks to learn what we may already know.

>>596

>nitrogen

Except thats one of the Most common fucking elements on earth, though getting in in the soil after the soil was used is somewhat difficult if your new at it, the best way is to just use fucking compost with piss and chicken shit. You can also grow clovers as they get Nitrogen from the air and put in in the ground I've heard.

>wildlife is a finite resource

There are other Islands close by and then there's always the Mainland

>not many people know how to hunt and fish

Nigga this board is a grow-off from /k/, plenty of niggas here know that shit.

I'll post more later right now my laptop is acting up

>>597

>Except thats one of the Most common fucking elements on earth, though getting in in the soil after the soil was used is somewhat difficult if your new at it, the best way is to just use fucking compost with piss and chicken shit. You can also grow clovers as they get Nitrogen from the air and put in in the ground I've heard.

That's why you rotate fields and turn the soil using a hoe or a plow, then mix the compost with your soil. Or alternatively growing boxes can be use and filled with compost. If the soil isn't suitable, you can grow quite a bit hydroponically.

>There are other Islands close by and then there's always the Mainland

So are you field dressing the kill and parting it? Or are you dragging it back to a boat in one piece? Also, good luck with a decimated wildlife population on the Mainlands.

>Nigga this board is a grow-off from /k/, plenty of niggas here know that shit.

That's fine if some people have knowledge, but that isn't going to benefit anyone else unless they share it.

Regarding commodity crops, especially sugar which would be in high demand beets or sorghum might be a good option when looking for an alternative to honey, which may be in short supply and rather expensive.

Though for the processing of sugar beets you need lime unless you are fine with a very rough molasses type deal, sorghum is the same but the syrup is much more mild. I'm unsure of the yields but I think sorghum might be more useful because you can use the seed heads for either feed or a complete carbohydrate source.

Certain varieties of tea can be grown in the climate of Beaver Island, should anyone bug out there, so if people are fine with becoming tea drinking bastards again it is a good option for caffeine but green coffee beans would be much more valuable. Roasted chicory and dandelion root are okay caffeine free substitutes but most would prefer an actual kick.

Tobbacco is probably out of the picture that far up north, it's possible but the amount of work required would be too much, especially when you factor in even complete collapse there would be literal tons of tobacco already harvested and ready for trade and that's ignoring the people in better climates who would have similar ideas. also it's a bad habit

Speaking of Beaver Island, the space is rather limited and fertilizer supplies might be either prohibitively expensive or scarce so an intensive rotation system would be needed. Vermiculture or worm raising is a very good option alongside traditional composting. Hoop houses could extend the growing season by a good month on either end, how sustainable that would be is debatable dependent on how long the tarp would last before degrading beyond usefulness but a conservative estimate of five years should allow time to find alternatives. Luckily there is much data on organic practices due to Euros liking that stuff and increased interest stateside so with a bit of digging you should be able to find a system that would work regardless of where you live.

Regarding waste, a a nightsoil rig would be a great idea, I wouldn't use it for food for human consumption or even animal really (the people that do use it wait a minimum of five years after complete breakdown to make use of it the WHO recommends ten to be safe) but it is definitely a good option to break down the worst of it just for convenience.

When having a traditional outhouse style shitter leave a bucket of wood shavings/ sawdust and wood ash to sprinkle after every use to keep smell down, discourage shithouse rats and encourage breakdown. and keep that shit downhill away from the watertable, any groundwater and wells.

I'm not sure if there is a mosquito problem but if there is it is highly recommended to have some cinchona in hothouses after making sure you have the right variety. Malaria is pretty uncommon up north but with the amount of people moving during a happening it might become a problem.

>>602

Excellent post!

I can't speak for Michigan, but I'm a former NY native (Adirondack Park) and mosquito density in bogs and low lying areas is heavy up that way.

The idea of hoop houses is a good one. Material degradation is normally 80% sun rot and 20% weather damage. Standard (brown/blue) traps will degrade extremely fast, but tarps made of heavier, weather-proof, solar resistant poly can last the better part of a decade if properly maintained.

>>599

With all the woods on the mainland both to the south and especially to the north I think deer rabbit and turkey should be okay, after all dindus don't know how to hunt, ironic the only usefull thing they ever did in there history.

And who knows maybe we can scavenge fertilized dirt from a lowes because I doubt people would steal that,

>>602

Couldt we just take a shot in the woods at first or devise a pipe system that uses rainwater to fluah the shit into the great lake? Or do something like put it in a tilapia tank so the fish eat the poop?

>>602

Also another problem.

Salt, how we gonna get that shit?

>>605

If you know enough about tides and currents so the shit doesn't wash back ashore it is entirely possible to make a pipe system but it would require a bit of care to make sure everything moves out to the lake without leaks. To be honest if there is already a seep septic system I'd just use that after doing careful reading of maintenance and use on low water and potentially high volume. Also it would be a bother to go away from your house all the way to the forest to take a shit, most people build outhouses when they can for a reason. As for the fertilizer, don't bother getting the dirt, focus on getting the pellets, the amount you can find in the average Lowes or Home Depot it might last for a couple years but that's under the assumption you have uninterrupted supply line from there. It's not the best method but if you can it would be a good stop gap.

>>606

Salt, unfortunately will have to be hoarded beforehand, there's a reason why in the interior of Africa it was worth it's weight in gold. Fortunately it is indefinitely good and most don't think to lug pounds and pounds from grocery stores so it might be still be available for a while for the taking long after everything else of 'value' is gone and there's enough that I don't see having anyone to actually make their own for a very long time. I would never bank on looting anything post SHTF much less anything important as salt. A salt stash is cheap to have and can prove to be invaluable when afflicted with any number of things that can lead to diarrhea.

Road salt will most likely be sodium chloride but it will have additives and also might be calcium carbonate which is a no no to eat, don't go raiding manciple salt piles for anything other than road salting.

Certain plants have high sodium, like the cardoon which has a reported 170mg of sodium for every 100 grams which is pretty high up there so there's that.

I'm having a hard time finding data but very cautiously hardwood ash may be a good source of emergency salt in small amounts but it will mostly be potassium salt instead of sodium salt about 1:10 ratio. To be honest I'd more recommend that as a source of calcium than salts.

>>605

While the dindus aren't a threat to wildlife, it's the other non-dindu survivors that will deplete the wildlife population.

Same thing happened after the 29' collpase, anything that could be eaten was wiped out. Some species are still struggling to recover.

grab up Vermiculite, it's very light and very useful.

>>608

Longer term storage is the big issue. Once salt has contact with moisture, it clumps up bad, like a damned rock.

Be a good idea to transfer it to a container with a handle that can be sealed air tight with some oxygen absorbing tabs thrown in beofore sealing.

>>608

I somehow forgot to mention Hickory, or many nut trees' roots can be boiled down for salt but that is really killing the milk cow for the steaks. Hell, you might be better served boiling cardoon down somehow instead of dealing with killing a tree for a pound or so of salt.

>>610

Yeah, proper storage will make things much simpler. Not like salt will go bad, bit of brass rod, a wooden or plastic mallet and some elbow grease would fix any issues with clumping. But why go through the trouble if you could do it right the first time.

>>609

I'm talking about like to the North in canada and finngolia, unless there is a mass exodus I don't see mich hunters round there.

>>608

How would you extract the salt? Also would it be plausible to raid old country houses with no one around for salt because I dobt people would even rember to take it with them.

Also what would be the prefered meams of travel if the roads and thongs are blocked.

>>613

You're assuming you can get into Canada, which is 75 -100mi from Beaver. You stand a good chance of being intercepted by US or Canadian military or border patrol.

The area around the lake is also replete with both US and Canadian towns and cities. You'd have to push deep past the border (50mi~) to actually find any decent hunting.

The '29 collapse was just 15% of the US, when the SHTF it'll be the world. IF Canada is less affected which is very likely, there will be a mass exodus.

Upper Michigan/Wisconsin isn't Detroit, you're going to have lots of survivors in the first few months/years.

>>614

Mosr of it is wildlife preserve and I'm sure after a winter they'll start trecking south, if not die from exposure.

>>620

That means absolutely nothing, what is now won't be when it happens. So you have a wildlife preserve, it won't be one a few months into a SHTF scenario. Over hunting by natives and migrants will push remaining wildlife further into the deep forests, possibility as far North as the Canadian shield.

Unless people are severely affected by the environment, they'll stay where they think a food source is prevalent.

>>621

Dude, look at google maps, sure hunting there will happen but its not going to have every deer and shit get shot unless some massive exodus lead by the national guard or some shit, besides we got pretty much woods to the north, west, east, and to the south there are the fox and manitou islands.

>>622

I'm not making up points based on what an area looks like.

I'm natively an upstate New Yorker, a place just as full of wildlife and wilderness. During the 1929 Market Collapse, entire species were nearly wiped out because of the heavy reliance of hunting for meat by victims of the collapse. The collapse affected 25% of the US population, which was 1/3rd the size of the current US population. Even if 1/3rd of the current US population survives, that leaves a massive amount of people that will rely on hunting as a source for meat.

I'm also using data provided by the US Army Environmental Command which has studied the movement of wildlife within training and impact areas of installations (essentially an ad-hoc "wildlife preserve") . Bases allot a select few slots for hunting, on installations that span hundreds of square miles. Even during a normal hunting season, deer move from inactive ranges to active ranges because of said hunting. This causes a serious issue for the Army because deer are causing damage to the range facilities and often are down range during training, resulting in multiple deer being killed. What's this have to due with what anything? It shows deer recognize when they're being hunted, even during a normal season and will move to an area away from the threat. During SHTF, everyone and their mother will be out trying to score a take.

Another huge issue is states regulate not only harvests, but what sex and age you can harvest. During SHTF, no one out hunting is going to give a shit if they take a buck, doe, or fawn…which will cause serious complications for the deer population reproduction.

What you know as "happy hunting grounds" are only that what because of politically established boundaries, with municipalities and states establishing "wildlife preserves" or "no hunting zones" has created small pockets of wildlife, which will change once their environment is invaded by a major threat. They'll move deeper and deeper into heavily wooded areas.

You think a bunch of Streloks with Mosins are the only people who would love north? There are a multitude of things to cause a mass movement north, to include violence, food sources, industrial scale meltdowns, foreign invasion, nuclear conflict, ect… Ever considered a mass exodus of native Mexicans into the Southern US? Which would push Southerns further north.

You're assuming those islands will be vacant.

>>623

Well assuming the happening is US only I dont think mexicans will go north, if however its worldwide then it will probably be more of southern rednecks shooting up mexicans or some stupid shit, trust me I live with crazy motherfuckers that would do that shit, people in west nc hate mexicans.

And those islands as of now have population 0, maybe refugees will go there because its closer to chicago than beaver is, however I'm not sure of what wildlife lives there, but if nothing else fishing is a viable option, if not in kke michigan than in beavers inland lakes and bogs, of which we could probably stock with fish( caught from lake michigan or something) and grow certain plants that fish eat and have a reliable source of meat from the fish.

See this thread has deranged into who knows what, let's try and keep it on topic and discuss ways of farming/ gathering food and things like that, so could it be possible to make a sort of hydroponic garden with old plastic bottles?

>>625

>Well assuming the happening is US only I dont think mexicans will go north, if however its worldwide then it will probably be more of southern rednecks shooting up mexicans or some stupid shit, trust me I live with crazy motherfuckers that would do that shit, people in west nc hate mexicans.

Any “happening” in the US will be felt on the global scale, we're tied into the world economy and market so deep, we'll drag down everything. Mexico is already a third world nation, once it loses whatever infrastructure it does have, they'll come flooding across the border looking for something to replace it and settle in states that mimic their home region. While I have no doubt of that, 121,000,000 Mexicans flooding the Southern border aren't going to be stopped by a few rednecks with guns, especially considering the Cartels and Mexican Military will be leading the charge.

>And those islands as of now have population 0, maybe refugees will go there because its closer to chicago than beaver is, however I'm not sure of what wildlife lives there, but if nothing else fishing is a viable option, if not in kke michigan than in beavers inland lakes and bogs, of which we could probably stock with fish( caught from lake michigan or something) and grow certain plants that fish eat and have a reliable source of meat from the fish.

Fishing should be the primary meat source, with hunting falling into a secondary source. This way if fish become inedible (due to water contamination from radiation, chemical or biological agents, ect…) you have a fall back. If domestic agriculture is established, animals can be captured and housed, but that's a long term goal.

As far as the islands being devoid of life currently, that's because those islands fall into the Michigan State Department of Interior's Michigan Islands National Wildlife Refuge. In the early days of a “happening”, that could change drastically.

>See this thread has deranged into who knows what, let's try and keep it on topic and discuss ways of farming/ gathering food and things like that, so could it be possible to make a sort of hydroponic garden with old plastic bottles?

Hunting is a form of food gathering and we're talking of possible scenarios that could affect the collection of food. Better to discuss these now, rather than being confronted with a limited supply and having to formulate a new plan with limited information.

If you want BPA leaching into your water, sure. NSF certified five gallon pails are better.

>>626

well if that's the case whatever is left of the national guard/police/any fucking military will probably lock what they can of the border down and probably resort to shootijg on site and I don't think that'll be too appealing to mexicans, though of the ones that don't get shot will probably be lowish in number and with all the fucking kids they have won't be able to move very far in a day unless they steal a car, and then there's the issue of finding gas…

But tl;dr they aren't gonna straight waltz in there unless their sneaky in which case there would be few of them.

Well unless ma mas of refugees from shitcago go there or some folks from the town I don't see much people moving there that would be a problem.

Also I think I remember seeing some drip garden thing on the internet, I'll google it here in a sec.