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Now with more Bugging In!

7fab97 No.671

WROL does NOT mean the same thing as SHTF in the broad sense.

A time Without the Rule of Law can be anything, from nuclear bombs being detonated, to a bad blizzard which knocks power out and blocks the roads. It doesnt have to be "grab the gun, lets go." Mare likely than not, it is going to be a hurricane, a blizzard, or an extremely bad earthquake. Next likely would be rioting, then a civil uprising/revolution, then a nuclear war, then invasion.

The chances of the USA being invaded are slim to none, seeing as our gun owners outnumber every military on earth combined. Foreign nations dont have the means of transportation to get here like we do to go elsewhere.

We should focus on storms and preparedness rather than combat readiness here, though combat and weapons are extremely valuable to us. Not everything can be solved with a gun.

We should also focus on bugging in more. As someone else said, bugging out is dumb and a last-ditch effort thing. You have no reason to abandon all of your shelter, supplies, food, water, ammo, guns, and protection unless there is a serious threat. Running "innawoods" with your SKS is a terrible idea, especially if you have few survival skills. Youre more apt to die due to the nature around you than an enemy combatant if you have no skills and no preset shelters. Staying in your home is a good idea, and running off is a last-ditch effort, only to be used if youre certain youll be safer elsewhere.

bfaac4 No.672

>>671

>WROL does NOT mean the same thing as SHTF in the broad sense.

Actually, they do. WROL/SHTF/TEOTWAWKI all mean the same. That society has stopped functioning within it's normal parameters.

>A time Without the Rule of Law can be anything, from nuclear bombs being detonated, to a bad blizzard which knocks power out and blocks the roads. It doesnt have to be "grab the gun, lets go." Mare likely than not, it is going to be a hurricane, a blizzard, or an extremely bad earthquake. Next likely would be rioting, then a civil uprising/revolution, then a nuclear war, then invasion.

In any situation, be it a “National Level Event”, “Regional Level Event”, or “Local Level Event”, will require individual consideration for the carrying of a weapon. ALL extra-societal events result in a portion of the population resorting to criminal activity.

That is why events are separated into varying scopes of severity, as well as areas affected, and duration.

>The chances of the USA being invaded are slim to none, seeing as our gun owners outnumber every military on earth combined.

Except militarises aren't solely armed with small arms, they have aircraft, armor, indirect fires, and all assortment of arms.

While we would give them a moment of pause, please don't dilute yourself into thinking that firearm ownership is what deters foreign invasion…that would be our massive nuclear arsenal, violence of action, and ability to project power on a global scale.

>Foreign nations dont have the means of transportation to get here like we do to go elsewhere.

This couldn't be further from the truth. The US relies HEAVILY on commercial infrastructure to transport it's TO&E. Russia, China, and India all possess the ability to move TO&E assets on a mass scale in the same way. Warfare is also not a linear concept where you're moving pieces across a board with a limited axis of advance or time restraints.

>We should focus on storms and preparedness rather than combat readiness here, though combat and weapons are extremely valuable to us. Not everything can be solved with a gun.

This is an individual decision. If you feel the greatest threat to you is storms or an earthquake, than that is your prerogative to prepare for. The board shouldn't be tailored to any SPECIFIC event type, but should have information that can be gather that is applicable in ALL event possibilities.

>We should also focus on bugging in more. As someone else said, bugging out is dumb and a last-ditch effort thing. You have no reason to abandon all of your shelter, supplies, food, water, ammo, guns, and protection unless there is a serious threat. Running "innawoods" with your SKS is a terrible idea, especially if you have few survival skills. Youre more apt to die due to the nature around you than an enemy combatant if you have no skills and no preset shelters. Staying in your home is a good idea, and running off is a last-ditch effort, only to be used if youre certain youll be safer elsewhere.

This is AGAIN an individual decision. It may be a wise choice for a Strelok living in a rural community with excessive agricultural infrastructure, away from major transportation hubs or arteries to “Bug In”, but that is not the case for everyone.

There are a myriad of scenarios where a Strelok may need to “Bug Out” of position, not just simply “because”.

Simply planning on “Bugging In” without any advanced skills is a sure way to ensure failure. If the Strelok is within any kind of community and “Bugs In”, it brings it's own woes regarding social issues and other scenario specific issues. (Just because YOU may die if you Bugged Out, doesn't make the idea terrible, dumb, or otherwise)

If a Strelok isn't willing to dedicate time and effort to learn skills and attain experiences, they'll have a short life span during a SHTF/WROL event, regardless of if they're “Bugging In” or Bugging Out”.

NO one can do work for you, no one can prepare for you , and no one can make decisions for you. It is up to each of us to decide what we feel is best for our continued survive in any situation. If those decisions mean bugging out with a group of other Strelok, then that is the decision of those Strelok.


2aaeb6 No.683

>>672

>>There are a myriad of scenarios where a Strelok may need to “Bug Out” of position, not just simply “because”.

One thing I have trouble understanding is that people should be preparing, certainly, but networking should be part of that preparing. However, the opposite seems to be true. Everyone fractures. "Bugging in" but having a "bugging out" neighbor should be part of everyones plan. However, everyone is simply too paranoid.

How to resolve that?


bfaac4 No.684

>>683

It's not necessarily paranoia, some people may not have anyone in their area that believes in being prepared.

A Strelok is limited in who he can call upon, most people don't believe have any extra food, medical supplies, firearms, ammunition, ect…

It primarily is derived from a condition known as "Normalcy Bias", where an individual can't cope with or refuses to believe the possibility of extra-societal break down.

They believe that society will always be functioning, unaffected by an event, or will quickly recover. Often rationalizing their mindset by believing First Responders, Emergency Services, and other groups will "save" them and provide shelter, food, water, medical services, ect…

I can tell you, no agency or organization has the manpower, logistics, or materiel to deal with care and support of people post-major event. Even the National Guard had problems getting supplies and goods to cities and towns after Katrina.




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