/x/ - Paranormal

There are so many odd cases, from Dennis Martin to the Stacy Arras case

I just can't wrap my head around how someone can disappear in the blink of an eye. No signs of struggle, no type of evidence, nothing.

A fact that REALLY caught my interest, an FBI agent who was assigned to look over a lot of these odd cases ended up committing suicide. Kinda makes you wonder what he knew.

I remember a case where a kid was on a cliff with a "robot" that looked liked his grand mother, he said she had lights coming out of her head. While he was with he her he said he observed objects laid out that looked like guns that were very dusty. The kid said that the thing asked him to poop on a piece of paper, he refused and she got very angry.

Crazy thing is the kids actual grand mother and her husband were camping at the SAME area a few weeks before, she said she was woken up in the middle of the night from a Sharp pain, it looked like she was stuck with a needle or something.

Cloning?

more are missing that havnt been linked to this.

Alot of woods that dont have missing that I happen to know are 3spooky5me..

i dont understand why the cell phones all have have tracking device gps cellphones that you cannot turn off

but all these people went missing. [wtf]

also they should stop being faggots and put cell coverage in the mountains with their 400,000,000$ profits

>>16895

The FBI agents name was Jim Rike.

This fact was unknown to David Paulides until he interviewed Dennis Martin's father, who told him about the agents suicide.

>>16899

I doubt you'll be able to confirm with any actual documents considering the fact that he was in the FBI, they're very hush hush.

>>16862

>Stacy

>Over the next few days hundreds of searchers, national guard and local volunteers searched the area but never found a trace of Stacy.When the author of the Missing 411 books David Paulides was researching the Stacy Arras case, after twice having Freedom of information requestions denied to him, he was told quite bluntly that "he would never get this case".

kek

>>16905

Lol yeah the agent on the phone pretty much told him to fuck off without actually saying those words.

>>16898

Well a lot of these cases range from the late 1800's up until now.

Although I do agree on that, those companies make more than enough money to not have coverage in mountains and similar areas.

>>16861

>Free mason's require sacrifice

>free masons own police

/thread

>>16949

any source on this, i consider myself a free mason and i would never sacrifice anything in fact im more like a freedom fighter and dont want to associate with the wrong group. (also kind of scared of who would kill me if they knew what i did, masons or illuminati or templars)

also if u know what side templars are on alium or man let me know, its debatable what side the vatican is on so idk about templars.

>>16970

You consider yourself a free mason? It's either you're a member or you're not.

>>16949

That's a theory thats been mentioned before and it could have some weight. Although I don't know how they would manage to pull some of these off, most disappearances happen when the victim is only a few hundred feet from whoever they're with

It's definitely an interesting theory though.

>>16970

I don't know much about free masons but I doubt they partake in those type of activities. From what I've read masons now a days really aren't shit besides old dudes meeting up to chat. Although for really high level masons, I feel like there could be a possibility.

This is from David himself.

"I know that the vast majority of you will never meet a parent who has lost their child, never knowing where they are or what happened. That life void has to be the worst experience any parent could have. The most riveting and emotional interviews I have ever done was with one of those parents, Dennis Martins father, Bill.

Looking back in my career, there have been dozens of times where I investigated missing teenagers, young kids and adults, on nearly every occasion the disappearance turned out to be voluntary. A seasoned investigator could become very calloused to another case and allow that series of experiences to push them to generalize. Ah, this is just another missing person case, probably bad parenting, poor relationship, people feeling sorry for themselves, etc, etc. What I learned years ago, you can NEVER generalize, about anything. Just because you had five experiences where it didn't end the way you thought, that doesn't mean the 6th will turn out the same. If you lose sight of this fact, the relationships and communications you have will be less then honorable and you'll never get to the truth behind the issue.

The background behind the Martin case was pretty straight forward. Dennis disappeared on a rural field in Rocky Mountain National park. What followed is a series of incidents that are truly unreal. When we started to investigate this incident, it appeared that Mr. Martin had been lied to by the investigators inside the National Park Service and by the FBI. It specifically looked as if they were withholding the most valuable information that was gathered in the case.

One of the biggest revenue generators in the Knoxville area is Rocky Mountain National Park. In 2010, (www.nps.gov…) this article states that the park generated 818 million in revenue for the gateway communities, this is HUGE. The number of businesses surrounding the park that are dependent on the park visitors for revenue is large.

If the park admits that a small boy might have been abducted, this could have a major effect on the surrounding communities and park visitations. Ah, but there wasn't just one mysterious disappearance, there have been several. The theory behind the Martin abduction wasn't mine, the retired head tracker for the park service states that he now believes Dennis was abducted.

When I met Mr. Martin at his house, the same house he lived when Dennis disappeared, the man still looked the same as in 1969. He came to the door, I explained who I was and asked for a few minutes of his time. He explained that this disappearance had had a major impact on the life of he and his wife and that he had promised his wife it would no longer be discussed. I explained that I had traveled from California specifically to speak with him and asked for just a few minutes. He closed the door behind him and stepped onto the front porch.

Cont

"

When Mr. Martin and I started to talk, the man had tears in his eyes. The disappearance of his son had destroyed this families life. At the time of their biggest need, they turned to the NPS for assistance and direction on finding Dennis. Mr. Martin told me that the NPS, investigators and the press had lied and withheld information, I explained what I knew, he was surprised. I asked a few deep questions that probably have never been asked. I explained that I knew the "Key" family had seen something on a hillside in a reasonable time frame after Dennis disappeared and wanted to know if there was something else about this that wasn't released. Mr. Martin stated that the FBI and NPS never wanted this information released to him or the public. They also never wanted the public to know that whatever was seen on that hillside, was carrying something on its shoulder. I believe that the direct impression he wanted to leave was that Dennis could've been on that shoulder. The NPS and FBI told Mr. Martin that the time frames for this observation didn't work, that was a LIE. Dwight McCarter (the tracker for the park service at the time) and Mr. Martin quickly walked from Spence Field to the point of the "Key" observation in a time frame that would've made the sighting possible.

Imagine at the time of your greatest need, when you were absolutely at your lowest point in life, the one time when you needed the governmental agencies there to assist, find and comfort and they do exactly the opposite. You've just lost your most important possession and now the people you've always looked to as honorable turn out to be something quite different.

The last question I ask any witness before I leave, "Is there something about this incident that isn't known by the public and is something I should understand?" Mr. Martin stated that there was. He asked if I was aware of the number of disappearances in the mountains near the time Dennis disappeared, I named them. He asked if I knew the FBI agent that was on scene in each of those cases, I named him. He asked if I knew what happened to him, I stated I did not. Mr. Martin stated that the agent committed suicide. This was later confirmed. It was apparent that Mr. Martin gave us this information for a specific reason.

Our investigation into the Dennis Martin disappearance uncovered several major facts that the public does not know. The Martin family has never had justice in this case and has never experienced support and honesty from the NPS or the Knoxville Press. Each one of the four major television networks in Knoxville refused to report on any of this information. Do I understand why Mr. Martin refuses to talk to the press, absolutely. The support mechanisms meant to support victim families failed the Martins. When I walked away from meeting Mr. Martin, I had tears in my eyes. I know I could never feel the totality of his pain, but I felt some small part of this fathers loss. He lost his son and we weren't there to support him. "WE", I mean we as people. If we start to put our compassion, understanding and honesty on the shelf and work towards an agenda, or allow our behavior to be controlled by past experiences causing us to generalize, we have lost a large part of our humanity.

Thank you for the experience"

1981 – Stacy Arras – Yosemite National Park Details of Disappearance: Stacy rode into an area of Yosemite with her father and 6 others where they reached a cluster of cabins, where people could rest up overnight. The group tied the horses and some of them went into the cabins to freshen up. After getting changed into different clothes Stacy left her cabin with the intention of photographing the lake, she had her camera with her. She asked her Dad if he wanted to go with her to lake but he declined and instead a 72 year old man from their group decided to go with her instead, after a little while down the hill the elderly man felt tried and sat down, the rest of the group watching from up above saw the man sit down. They all watched as Stacy went on a little further towards the lake, go behind a couple of trees and eventually disappear from sight, after a few moments when she didn't return the elderly gentleman was a little worried and gathered the others for a search, they found Stacy's lense from her camera just a little way into the woodland but no other clues were found. Over the next few days hundreds of searchers, national guard and local volunteers searched the area but never found a trace of Stacy.When the author of the Missing 411 books David Paulides was researching the Stacy Arras case, after twice having Freedom of information requestions denied to him, he was told quite bluntly that "he would never get this case".

The only thing they ever found of her was her lense cap.

Amber Rose Smith

In early October a few miles to the southeast, the summer of 2013 would end on a much happier note when two-year-old Amber Rose Smith vanished from in front of her home on East 13 Mile Road and Cottonwood Avenue. Her father was watching her and had just stepped inside to use the bathroom. When he came back out, Amber and their two dogs that she had been playing with were gone. When he called to them, the dogs slunk back out of the woods, but there was no sign of Amber.

After a frantic 24-hour search by over two hundred volunteers and a hundred emergency service personnel, she was found the next day, almost two miles southeast of her home, standing in the middle of a two track road and staring blankly into space. She was unharmed except for some superficial cuts and scrapes on her body and face. How a barefoot, two and half foot tall girl wearing nothing but a tank top had managed to traverse almost two miles of some of the most ruggedly-forested land in the lower forty-eight almost unscathed and without being discovered by all those people searching for her was never explained.

Newaygo County Undersheriff Brian Boyd said “It’s hard to imagine how a 2 1/2-year-old can survive that distance through the woods with that kind of temperature.” Temperatures had plunged down to forty-five degrees during the night.(8) He went on to say “there’s some that aren’t convinced she walked that entire distance. Maybe she was dropped off. Those are things we might have to determine in the future.”

Can't wait for this, these missing persons cases give me the chills

>>18494

They should because he's now investigating urban disappearances as well. Missing 411 is everywhere.

>>18494

Holy shit, the first guy who talks about his missing son Jared was my gym teacher a long time ago.

>>18510

The Jaryd Atadero case? No shit?? Damn thats crazy, I'm quite familiar with that case.

Here's a really nice compilation of different cases that David has talked about.

>>16973

>From what I've read masons now a days really aren't shit besides old dudes meeting up to chat

>ask high level mason I know to join

>he invited me over for a meeting

>go to meeting

>old guys watching westerns and talking about local politics and smoking

>5 hours

Never again, 2spooky Illuminati for me

Anybody got this ebook they can share?

>>18598

That's bs. Paulides is not a Tsoukalos. He always emphasizes that he doesn't know the cause and refrains from publicly pursuing any baseless theories out of respect for the victims and their relatives.

>>18510

Damn, small world isn't it?

>>18592

I've looked all over for it, too, and am still searching for a copy.

The Little Wanderer

Alice Rachel Peck, aged 3 years and four months, wandered away from her home in Burn's Valley, Thursday August 25th 1898, in search for her mother , who went on an errand. The little girl traveled an old and unused bark road, climbed over a high and very rough mountain and there, worn out with hunger and without bonnet or shoes, for three day and night had nothing to eat but a few huckleberries, while friends and neighbors were diligently searching for her or her remains.

She was found on Sunday morning, August 28th at half past seven o'clock, by William Bair, sound and well. She neither smiled or cried as two hundred voices rang out the glad tidings of great joy, five miles from her home, in the mountains.

While her parents were in great agony at home, they were soon relieved when hearing the many voices and trumpets, proclaiming that the lost had been found. On the same morning the child was found and in the same vicinity, from 8 until half past 11 o'clock, 13 rattlers, 2 vipers and 2 copperheads were killed.

All returned happy, but some were very near worn out. The majority of those who participated in the child hunt saved their canes as relics of the day.

His grandmother was the Alice's younger sister. The reporter makes it sound like a light-hearted adventure. They were picking berries with a group . Her mother left and went back to the house for some reason. When she came back, the group had thought that the girl had been with her mother. She had her shoes and bonnet when last seen. The area hasn't changed much since then. It has basic Pa. mountain terrain with enough dirt between the boulders and rocks to grow trees and mountain laurel. You have to crawl under or walk on top of it. Her uncle wasn't buying she traveled to where they found her on her own.

Alice was asked how she got over those big rocks. She told him "the big black man helped her." That's all she could tell him. If it had been a black man in that area back then, he would have been well-known by the residents.

One other story I've been told from that time period. Not much in detail. A family from the Doylesburg, Pa area would visit relatives in the Fort Loudon, Pa & Burnt Cabins, Pa area (Franklin County, Pa) in the fall for a few days and help butcher. On one of the visits, the morning they were leaving, one man decided to stay and help with some things and walk home later. His walk home took longer than expected. They wanted him to stay as he'd have to walk the mountain in the dark (The Tuscarora Trail now). Saying the wolf would get him. He wanted to get home and said if they loaned him a hay fork he would be OK. He took the fork and starting on his way. Later his mutilated remains were found along the path, with the fork near by.

On the 26th December 1900, a small ship was making its way to the Flannan Islands in the remote Outer Hebridies. Its destination was the lighthouse at Eilean Mor, a remote island which (apart from its lighthouse keepers) was completely uninhabited.

Although uninhabited, the island has always sparked people’s interest. It is named after St. Flannen, a 6th century Irish Bishop who later became a saint. He built a chapel on the island and for centuries shepherds used to bring over sheep to the island to graze but would never stay the night, fearfulof the spirits believed to haunt that remote spot.

Captain James Harvey was in charge of the ship which was also carrying Jospeph Moore, a replacement lifehouse keeper. As the ship reached the landing platform, Captain Harvey was surprised not to see anyone waiting for their arrival. He blew his horn and sent up a warning flare to attract attention.

There was no response.

Joseph Moore then rode ashore and ascended up the steep set of stairs that leaded up to the lighthouse. According to reports from Moore himself, the replacement lighthouse keeper suffered an overwhelming sense

Once at the lighthouse, Moore noticed something was immediately wrong; the door to the lighthouse was unlocked and in the entrance hall two of the three oil skinned coats were missing. Moore continued onto the kitchen area where he found half eaten food and an overturned chair, almost as if someone had jumped from their seat in a hurry. To add to this peculiar scene, the kitchen clock had also stopped.

Moore continued to search the rest of the lighthouse but found no sign of the lighthouse keepers. He ran back to the ship to inform Captain Harvey, who subsequently ordered a search of the islands for the

A few days later, Robert Muirhead, the board’s supernatant who both recruited and knew all three men personally, departed for the island to investigate the disappearances.

His investigation of the lighthouse found nothing over and above what Moore had already reported. That is, except for the lighthouse’s log…

Muirhead immediately noticed that the last few days of entries were unusual. On the 12th December, Thomas Marshall, the second assistant, wrote of ‘severe winds the likes of which I have never seen before in twenty years’. He also noticed that James Ducat, the Principal Keeper, had been ‘very quiet’ and that the third assistant, William McArthur, had been crying.

What is strange about the final remark was that William McArthur was a seasoned mariner, and was known on the Scottish mainland as a tough brawler. Why would he be crying about a storm?

Log entries on the 13th December stated that the storm was still raging, and that all three men had been praying. But why would three experienced lighthouse keepers, safely situated on a brand new lighthouse that was 150 feet above sea level, be praying for a storm to stop? They should have been perfectly safe.

Even more peculiar is that there were no reported storms in the area on the 12th, 13th and 14th of December. In fact, the weather was calm, and the storms that were to batter the island didn’t hit until December 17th.

The final log entry was made on the 15th December. It simply read ‘Storm ended, sea calm. God isoverall’. What was meant by ‘God is over all’?

After reading the logs, Muirhead’s attention turned to the remaining oil skinned coat that had been left in the entrance hall. Why, in the bitter cold winter, had one of the lighthouse keepers ventured out without his coat? Furthermore, why had all three lighthouse staff left their posts at the same time, when rules and regulations strictly prohibited it?

Jaryd Atadero and Bobby Bizzup

Three year old Jaryd Atadero vanished from the Big South trail in Poudre Canyon, Colorado on October 2, 1999. He was hiking with a Christian group that was staying at his father’s lodge; a well known Christian retreat.

Somehow Jaryd got ahead of the party of twelve, and the last people to see him alive were two men fishing in the Cache la Poudre River.The fishermen claim he was still within sight of his group when he asked them if they had seen any bears in the area.They told him to get back with his group and kept fishing. Four teams of tracking dogs could find no trace of him, and during the search, an Air Force helicopter crashed, injuring its five occupants.

His remains wouldn’t be found until four years later and over five hundred feet above the trail he disappeared on, in a place only accessible by rope and a steep incline most adults couldn’t climb.

Strange scratches were found on the cranium.The forensic experts consulted by Paulides are unable to identify their source, but unanimously concur that they were not made by any animal. Many of the children who are found have been severely scratched on their skin.

The search for little Jaryd was a media event right from the start. But according to Allyn Atadero, Jaryd’s father who wrote the book Missing which recounts it, It was badly, if not deliberately,botched.Jaryd had disappeared in forest land under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Inconsistent with past policy in the thousands of cases investigated by Paulides the FBI refused to get involved or even to send an observer.

During the search,the Atadero family was inexplicably threatened with arrest by the sheriff if they set foot on the Big South Trail.

Jaryd’s remains were found on June 4, 2003 by some hikers.They were lying out in the open. Allyn suspects they had been placed there to be found. The colors of the sneakers were still vibrant and his tooth was on top of a decaying log when it should have been submerged in bacteria accumulated in over four years in the wilderness. The sweat pants had been found inside out yet when the sheriff held his press conference they had been turned right side out for display to the media. When Allyn objected he was ignored and the sweat pants left that way.

The tooth could have been placed there by a rodent.

But there is no logical explanation for this sneaker appearing like this after being exposed to the elements nine thousand feet up in the Rockies for four years.

Hair fibers that were found on the boy’s sweater were also analyzed, but no test results were ever released. All they've ever been told was that the hairs were non-human, but that he shouldn’t worry about it.

About twenty miles south of the Jaryd Atadero tragedy, a generation before it, and again in Rocky Mountain State Park, 10-year-old Bobby Bizup vanished on the evening of August 15, 1958. He was staying at Camp Saint Malo, a Roman Catholic boys retreat at the foot of Mount Meeker. He was the only son of master sergeant Joseph Bizup, who was stationed at Lowry Air Force Base in Denver at the time.

In spite of a massive search,including bloodhounds and airplanes, the only sign of Bobby found that year was his bait box about a mile from the creek where he was last seen by his counselor, fishing. The following year, some of his bones and his hearing aid were found three miles up Mount Meeker,all the way at the timber line.

This is some interesting stuff. Maybe some sort of Thuggee type cult is responsible. One of these disappearances happened in a state park I've been going to since I was a kid.

>>21241

Well i think its obvious that not one single entity is responsible for these disappearances considering how far back some of them go, not to mention they're all over the US. Some of them have really odd details as well,

Like the Dennis Martin case that i posted above,

>>21241

Also no shit? Which park/disappearance?

>>21243

Devil's Den in Arkansas.

Here's a link:

http://vistaramicjourneys.com/devils-den-state-park

>>21242

The Thuggee operated for hundreds of years. They were extremely efficient and stealthy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

>>21244

White Males of German descent being drugged and who knows what then being dumped in a river..please tell me /pol/ isn't right.

>>16949

It's definitely not masons.

Even though they are top tier goys.

>>16970

If you consider yourself a mason then you're one naive and convoluted idiot. You can very easily look up that the police are connected with the Freemasons. They literally have a fraternal order you can look up.

>>16973

>doesn't know much about freemasons

>makes an assertion anyway about them

toppest of keks

It depends on where you are at and what lodge you are in, friend. They aren't all self-serving egoists who want to 'help' their community by paying a lot of money to that sekrit club bullshit.

Missing 411? more like a missing God because

GOD'S NOT REAL

>>21284

>.please tell me /pol/ isn't right.

I hope so. I never wanted them to be dead.

>>21244

FUCK I live right by there

>>21244

>>21326

Yeah it's pretty unsettling and the thing is these places have those names for a reason, Devils Den in Arkansas, Devils Nest in Nebraska etc. It makes you wonder why they were given those names when they first were discovered many many years ago.

>>16861

hehehehe i knew saving this private video would be essential one day. also i cant wait to read this thread i have so many theories :))

it wont embed for some autisitc reason so here

https://youtu.be/IEL9jDMnhz4?list=PLwCWK1w2DoH0FIUh9ZSuJcr_XcSlR_Zmu

>>16861

>>21395

but any way after you listen to the whole 2 hour interview David basically makes a profile of the entity of that is preforming the kidnappings. Now my proposition is that this kidnapping phenomenon and the skin walker phenomenon are related based off http://pastebin.com/N0LWnymW

>>21395

fixed

>>21395

>>21396

op here, Nice I used to listen to that video so many times when I first got into Missing 411.

Hmm I mean that would make some sort of sense since most, if not all Skinwalker encounters i've read about have all occurred in a forest/woods. But it wouldn't really make sense since in most skinwalker stories the person isn't really kidnapped, more like body snatched. Also the heavy iron/blood smell that's associated with Skinwalkers never come up during any of the cases.

But hey you never know. I'll post some other cases as well

>>21400(checked)

David actually mentions that case in the above video >>21397 he doesnt talk about your man directly but he mentions Indonesia and shiny things and talks about it briefly. where did you hear this guy was it here or on youtube or was it second hand?

>>16861

almost through the first book and man its spooky. especially when i'm an /out/ guy myself and one case did happen in my county on a trail i've hiked. not to mention last year some guy was found dead after going missing on a day hike right nearby my town.

>>21400

sounds like this

http://www.unknowncountry.com/insight/disappearances-indonesia

>>21400

Op here I actually remember that story pretty clearly, the guy didn't go into detail though so you pretty much explained it all. Anyways the guy is David Paulides, the author I'm talked about in the thread. That part was from an interview he did ok Coast to Coast am. I'd give you a link but David has a few interviews with C2C and they're all an hour+ so listening to them all wouldnt be easy lol. but yeah man that little excerpt was pretty weird, I wonder if it would apply to forests in the US as well.

>>21416

>>21400

That anon posted a link to the interview that story is in

>>21415

well idk i just feel like 411 missing person and skin walkers are related they have similar characteristics and theres a couple skin walker stories that involve compasses completely fucking up and shooting them doesnt seem to effect them however in one story steel core rounds made the skin walker drop like a rock.

>>21421

I mean its definitely a possibility dude, no one really knows at this point. But I think its safe to say that its not one entity that's doing this (imo) considering how far back some of the cases go.

>>21421 cont

this gets me thinking that these "things" using electromagnetic waves can influence the human brain/perception into seeing something else thats not there. hence why they make compasses go crazy and why the steel core bullets effected on so heavily (steel is magnetic) and what ever is taking people in the 411 cases seems to be able to influence peoples perception heavily (convince them to come with them knock them out ect)

>>21423

and when you take the influencing perception idea into account that brings to mind faries and other "woodling" creatures that would try to "talk" people into doing things coming with them but you probly get my idea. now the question as to what these things actually are the possibilities go as fallows;

1.) something that has evolved on this planet

2.) something that did not evolve on this planet

Im betting that its 1.) as something that can transport from one planet to another fucking around with people and kidnapping people just doesnt quite add up at the moment. also im not denying that the entity int eh 411 cases could be a human organization. we are working with a lot of vacuum space as i like to call it

>>21422

the Bryce Florian Herda case in Neah Bay, Washington.

I live about 2 hours away but I go out there alot for camping and such. the creepiest part is my parents would take me to that very trail and we would hike down to the beach around when I was the exact same age as that kid (6). I have the feeling that if we had gone out on the wrong day I could have been right after him in the list.

but yeah some weird shit happens out here, have a link to a relevant local news story from a few years back http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20130913/NEWS/309139971

>>21426

Yeah man some of those cases where something would convince them to follow them is weird.

It is obviously something intelligent if you look at the Dennis Martin case, whatever took him was darting in between the trees actively trying to hide.

But its crazy man i mean i've considered some sort of cryptid, hell even time slips.

Do you remember a case where a boy was with his brother or sister something like that, they were on the way to a lake, one of the kids ran ahead just a few feet and he was in some completely different part of the forest. In the blink of an eye he was gone, they found the kid and he said he didn't know what happened. He couldnt hear their yells for him, He said he ran ahead and when he looked back for his brother he was in a completely different part of the forest.

Cases like that make it hard to decide on whats doing this.

but what REALLY interests me in claims of Wildmen. Basically feral men who live off the grid in these national parks. David has mentioned them a few times but never any extensive cases.

>>21427

I'll have to look into that case. but holy fuck i bet that makes the story that much more creepy. That could have been you man.

>>21428

I'd have to go back through the first book to find it but I remember one a case a father and son where sheltering from a blizzard under a tree and one of them thought they saw head lights and went to look for help.

I forget if the one who left was the one who wasn't found or if he came back and the other guy was gone but it reminds alot of a Will-o'-the-wisp type thing.

personally I think not all of it is explained by one phenomena but that there is more in our world still than we understand. I think some of it could be cryptids like

>>21430

>>21431

while some might be murderers,wildmen, hermits, or cults. Hell I can even get behind some being taken by ayy lmaos, demons, skinwalkers, fae folk, forest spirits who knows. But that's exactly what makes it so interesting (and terrifying)

>>21428

i havent read the books ive only herd the interview that ive posted. My thing is that through davids books and research he basically has built a profile for this entity. and time slipping has been suggested to him but theres definitely an intelligent being doing a lot of foot. what id like to see happen is a group of people bait one of these things out with kidnapping bait. David has give us a profile and we should use it to catch what ever this thing is. I mean the US government has an obvious interest in it based off the fact that the green berets show up in a couple of the search and rescue efforts for no apparent reason. I suspect the interest is similar to the UFO phenomenon (govt publicly denies it while secretly tries to figure out what is going on by any means necessary)

It's a shame there aren't any pdfs of the books floating around, apparently.

>>21433

you need to read the books man, those interviews are good but they don't even scratch the surface. A lot of details are left out in the interviews,

>>21433

Also he's said it himself that he doesn't have an opinion on what it is, sometimes he'll hint at random things every now and then but nothing consistent.

So, what is your suggestion to solve this mystery? Cover all clusters with cameras and other sensors? Surely, there has to be something that can be measured or seen.

>>21583

I have read these stories about pedophile rings since always. It seems once you get your first million you turn magically into a pedophile.

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>>21397

I got to listen to this, and I really want to hear about cases in Florida because it does feel like I almost always hear some missing persons report every other week here and he mentions how many cases we have.

Where would I even begin to look up stuff about cases in my area ?

>>22627

Yeah it's insane dude, I wonder what the fuck happens. In the case of Larry King, he instigated that type of behavior to use as blackmail later on

>>22643

Well keep in mind the interviews don't even scratch the surface as far as information, the actual books will give you a better understanding of it. Florida is mentioned a few times, if you're really interested check out David's other interviews, he has quite a few and he discusses cases in all of them.

It depends, are you in a city or a rural area? Pretty much all of the cases take place in national forests, national parks etc. Although his most recent book A Sobering Coincidence is strictly about cases in urban areas.

>>22650

Maybe these mega tycoons have so much money and done everything, so this is like the final thrill they do to not get bored?

>>22627

>>22627

Maybe it's just a condition in some sort of fucked up game. Every single thing you achieve comes with a conversely proportional downside when it is at the expense of others.

Could be somehow related?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/17/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-in-canada-could-number-4000

is it just me or does nobody mention the most likely possibility? even for 50 threads

something in the mountains is eating people

nobody heard of the 1960s "the alien peoples of mount shasta?

imo they openly experiment on humans, using chemicals… ex: aspartame, sweet n low -> Shasta soda

>>22690

Yeah David has mentioned that theory before, I mean it's really kind of hard to chalk it up to it being one thing considering how far back some of these cases go. Not to mention they're all over the US

>>22690

Well, it's not so easy. I'm not even sure there is a single explanation that fits all cases.

>>22716

This. Some of these cases go back to the late 1800's, not to mention they're scattered all over the US. David said he could write a whole book just on Texas. So it's hard to imagine it being one entity that's doing this.

Would be interesting if a group decided to set up bait.

Group goes hiking days after day. Have the bait wired with live video feed and a panic button. Have everyone armed.

Have the bait fall behind and end up by themselves. Just repeat the process once a week or daily if time allows. See what happens.

>>22733

Yeah that'd definitely be interesting, everyone would need a gps transponder though.

But the thing about these cases is that they happen in the blink of an eye, it's not some obvious situation where someone walked deep into the forest like a jackass

It's more like someone stepped behind a bush for a minute and they're instantly gone.

>>>/tg/221004

/tg/ has been discussing Kek and Meme Magic and this idea came up while discussing the possibility of being able to meme fictional places into existence.

Fae, demons, and extradimensional entities who scoop people up and spirit them away without a trace are common in nearly all mythologies and folk legends. Tales of getting lost in the forest and encountering supernatural beings are very common too. The Grimm Fairy Tales cover a number of stories about shit happening in the woods. And of course, you've got all kinds of cryptids said to lurk in these giant national parks.

Look up some of the bizarre shit that people have seen while hiking the Appalachian Trail.

Possibility exists that there's some weird shit lurking in theses old forests that might be the result of thousands of years of meme magic.

>>22738

>Weird shit exists because people manifested their fears into reality

>t. Sphere screenwriter

Ever thought about the possibility that those stories exist because people discovered actual weird shit and told others about it? Paulides already noticed that some of the locations have weird names like "devil's pass" (or something like that) even though the origin of the name might be uncertain.

>>22739

Meme magic has some very strange properties that may make it self-fulfilling or paradoxically cyclical.

Or it might just be a coincidence.

Just a thought.

Have a story from Bulgaria, Haskovo. Town is full of odd cases. Also, translation is shoddy because I'm on a phone.

A few days ago in the dam Trakies, a 42 year old man by the name Ivan Ivanov had been found dead. The man left his home without saying anything to his family and has been searched for over a week. A random passerby finds the man sunk in the dam, near village Nikolovo. Rescue services pull out the man and his car from the dam. There are no signs of violence and the case looks like a suicide. But why? This is the question that his friends and family ask.

It's hard to determine if he commit suicide or not as there was no suicide note left behind. His family is sure that he never mentioned suicide. He hasn't acted like a man who would end his life either. However, the man had suffered from hepatitus B and had been having a long therapy, taking antibiotics, which in turn damaged his liver.

The drowned man's brother says tgat he was heading to Sofia for a new kind of treatment. This ruins his mind and the man closes himself away in his conscience. He still continued to do sports and go fishing with his favorite car. The day of his disappearance is like any other. He puts on his tracksuit, heads into his car and drives into nothingness. That nothing is the dam. Whether it was suicide or not, we may never know.

>>22755

Dam is Trakiec, ma baad.

>>22738

Lol besides the meme magic shit, there is some truth to your post, there are tons of folklore of things in the forest. David has mentioned fairies, demons etc before and it's very interesting. I remember him mentioning that in Poland (I think) they believe something lives in boulders, they believe in these legends so much that they'll completely avoid boulders if they're building something they'll build around it instead of moving the boulder. It's interesting how these stories start.

>>22761

>Poland

Iceland

>>16861

When it comes to babies or young kids:

>eagles

>wolves

>wild animals picking them up and running off for the lels

>crevices or caves they fall into/get lost in

adults:

>

>

>

>fuck, who knows?

>>22761

> I remember him mentioning that in Poland (I think) they believe something lives in boulders

Definitely not poland my good friend

>>22769

And dingoes, Mr. Rationalist.

>>22769

Problem is that there aren't many birds big enough to carry off a child, wolves wouldn't attack out of the blue without a sound, nor would they go close enough to large gatherings of humans, and in any of these cases, there would be a sound.

They send out search parties and find NOTHING. No trace of clothing or blood or bones or anything at all. I want to say the Dennis Martin case had a group of hundreds scouring the woods.

Unless the Earth is opening up and closing in the span of a few moments, most of these disappearances are weird as fuck.

>>22777

That's what intrigues me most, that not a single trace of these people are ever found. Or we are extremely careless and not look hard enough or they vanish as if snatched by fairies.

>>22778

>>22777

Consider this:

They are being moved to a different dimension, an alternative reality.

>>22782

Is it one with waifus?

Can I go next?

>>22782

That's certainly a possibility.

>>22770

>>22766

It was Iceland there we go thanks anon

>>22782

Time slips is a theory that has been mentioned to David before, hell it's even one of my theories.

I remember where some kid and his sister and guardian were on the way to a lake, they were just beyond the view of the lake when he ran past their view behind some bushes. He said he walked no more than a few feet but when he tried to look back for his sister he realized he was in a completely different part of the forest.

They eventually foun him but I just thought it was odd. I mean the kid walked behind a bush and boom he's transported to somewhere else. He couldn't even hear his sisters cries for him.

>>22777

>>22778

I agree anon. A lot of skeptics will try to chalk it up to be some animal or something which is understandable, I mean It's the damn woods, a lot can happen in the woods you could get lost, get attacked by an animal, eat some poisonous berries etc. but when NO evidence is found it kinda throws that theory out.

There's no blood, no shreds of clothing, no signs of a struggle, it can go on and on. None of those are found in these cases. In most of the cases people are out of sight for no more than a minute before they're gone.

>>22782

Interesting.

But if people from our plane/dimension/whatver can enter, that would mean people from there can enter our world too. I remember reading about people who seemed to came out of nowhere, confused, talking about places nobody heard before, with real money from places that didn't exist in our maps, with strange objects who didn't exist here. But of all the anomalies and strange phenomena out there, they seem to be the rarest to occur.

>>22790

I remember reading that carcasses of animals can disappear completely thanks to bacteria, and the state of the soil, the climate of the region, etc. But in the case of a human being, I think it should be more complex than "he just simply died, and some wolves ate his corpse". I don't know. I remember Paulides talking with Knapp and he said people behaved as if something possessed them to take out their clothes and run into the wild.

Another thing that calls my attention is that the missing person are never seen again, or at least show some effort to contact others for help, in case they were kidnapped or taken by someone. The whole thing befuddles my humble mind.

>>22791

I remember hearing about that on Coast to Coast Am, stories about people from, according to them, real places. These places weren't on our maps though. I remember a case where a man was taken in and he had a legit passport and everything but it was to some city that obviously didn't exist, at least not here.

>>22792

I assume the same thing would go for a human body, it'd just take longer depending on the condition. Clothes, shoes, etc are a different story though, that doesn't decompose, at least not shoes.

Well these people are missing, not necessarily kidnapped. David mentions it clearly that if there were any signs of a kidnapping the case wouldn't be in Missing 411. Even if there were the slightest indication of a kidnapping, it wouldn't be mentioned in the book.

>>22796

Now I want to listen to that interview again, does any anon know which one I'm talking about? It was a while ago so I can't remember much besides that part

>>>22792

so the obvious question is

what % is kids and what % adults

what % is experienced hikers what % is not

what % is groups at what is not

far easier to estimate whats going on if you know the size of the victim and his sex and his skill

>>22916

map of wetlands usa

i think its a match

>>22939

I didn't post that but I'm not sure, obviously David and his researchers know but to get that specific info like that you'd had to go through all the books and read each case one by one

>>22960

Op here the book is about cases in National parks and national forests, there are cases that weren't in a national park/forest but there are a good amount that were as well. Also i should mention the colored markings on that map are clusters of missing people not individual cases. A good point that David mentioned was how empty the middle of the map was, there are cases there but no clusters.

I'm sure you all remember that paramedic story in the forest.

With the stairs

They go up

Don't come down

/thread

>>22974

David has mentioned that in interviews as well, random sets of stairs being found in forests

>>22975

>>22974

Does anyone know anything about the phenomena? I have heard about it but not too much, i don't know specific stories or anything like that

>>22974

>>22975

??? Please tell us more.

>>22978

I'm not that anon, I just remember hearing David briefly speak on sets of stairs being found in rural areas

>>22736

That's the craziest shit about it.

Even if these kids get abducted by some really well organised group, how?? How so fucking coincidentally?

oh hey look bobby is just going behind that bush there 50 yards away to retrieve a ball

we've been here for days and not seen a single person other than us

oh look bobby hasn't returned

oh look there's no sign of bobby even being here

lmao

>>22777

I know this bro, I look for rational explanations and then come to these conclusions myself also.

No pieces of clothing, no scent (??), no footprints, no sound.

It's so bizarre.

>>16898

>also they should stop being faggots and put cell coverage in the mountains with their 400,000,000$ profits

They use the same excuse to push microchipping. Dog lost? Old and have high blood pressure and want the hospital to know about it the moment you get sick? Etc.

no thanks.

>>23038

Yeah it's definitely something thats hard to process. I mean i don't even have a theory on what it could be, i do however don't think one thing is to blame for all of these cases.

but yeah it is crazy dude, no signs of a struggle, no blood, no clothing. Dogs won't find a scent or refuse to search period. People being found in places searchers combed a hundred times over. It';s just crazy.

>>16898

It actually doesn't matter. In lots of the cases people go missing in areas that have cell coverage. Some of the deceased people that turn up again even have a charged cell phone, warm clothing and food in their backpacks.

http://missionquest.fpb.yuku.com/topic/4840#.Vt_3ALxRHIo