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Christmas is a Pagan Holliday

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 No.19830

It's true, depending on what you mean by atheism. Common or garden atheism is a form of belief, namely that I believe there is no god–and Hans Enkel is its prophet. (I'm speaking of a famous atheist). The atheist positively denies the existence of any god. All right. Now, there is such an atheist, if you put dash between the 'a' and 'theist,' or speak about something called 'atheos'–'theos' in Greek means 'god'–but what is a non-god? A non-god is an inconceivable something or other.

I love the story about a debate in the Houses of Parliament in England, where, as you know, the Church of England is established and under control of the government, and the high ecclesiastics had petitioned Parliament to let them have a new prayerbook. Somebody got up and said 'It's perfectly ridiculous that Parliament should decide on this, because as we well know, there are quite a number of atheists in these benches.' And somebody got up and said 'Oh, I don't think there are really any atheists. .We all believe in some sort of something somewhere.'

 No.20001

>>19830

>Common or garden atheism is a form of belief, namely that I believe there is no god

Nope. Lack of belief is not a belief. Why are christards this retarded?


 No.20006

>>20001

When you say there is no god, that is a claim made on faith, no? If you want to be an atheist, be an atheist, but you know, this is what you have to deal with. If that interpretation does not fall into your definition of atheism, that is what happens when you adopt labels.


 No.20363

How old is the newspaper in the OP? That was all the rage in the 80s. Trust me, I remember how paranoid my parents were about it. Turned out to be a lot of hot air.


 No.20396

>>20001

did you just reply to yourself has someone else? Anyway. you can imagine an area with no rake, you can imagine an area with no god. Now, assuming their knowledge is in general has limited has most people, then they shouldn't think 'I see nothing so there's nothing'. Even the scientific method tries to isolate and test all separate variables, and they don't know and don't control all variables. They need much more knowledge to determine it's accuracy.


 No.20397

>>20396

*all variables seperately


 No.20401

>>20001

of course it is, you fucking retard. You have no proof that god doesn't exist. You only believe he/she/it doesn't exist because of your experience, but you can't prove it. You have no proof, therefore you have belief based on your personal experiences, just like those that believe.

>why are atheist tards pretending to be 'scientists' this retarded

Stop defining words like an sjw so your convenient definitions 'prove' what you want them to prove.


 No.20618

>>20401

You're the retard here.

Consider this.

Do you not believe in chemtrails?

Of course you do. Why? Because you don't.

christianlogic


 No.20627

Kek, "atheism" is just a crippled view of buddhism and christianism is more "complete" than buddhism.

Fedoras, what you call atheists, are just a bunch of retards, literally.


 No.20638

>>20618

You really don't get it, do you?


 No.20673


 No.20678

No rational atheist claims to have proof that there is no god. This seems to be the most common fallacy about nonbelievers. It is not logically possible to prove that a thing does not exist. We can however critique the evidence that theists offer, and we claim that theists offer no credible empirical evidence for the existence of their deity, who, they tell us, when all their other arguments are proven false, can be known only through faith. Unfortunately, on planet earth, faith is a feeling, and feelings are not facts. What religion offers looks suspiciously like a wish fulfillment fantasy, a very human yearning for how life should be, but is not. In the intellectual childhood of our species, that was enough; but today it is not.

Religion's stories of ancient holy men and gods who intercede in the human realm are very powerful. These stories reflect deep-seated symbols and expectations about how the world works, about the limits of the human condition and how they may be transcended. At the same time they forge the cultural and communal identities that are so important to human emotional well-being.

Yet the fact remains that the Judaeo-Christian-Islamist religion's worldview is, in a word, false. We are not orphans on a hostile planet ruled by invisible spirits. We were not placed here at the caprice of an all-powerful sky god who can be influenced through magical thinking to intervene in our lives. And there is no agency that will allow us that ultimate human desideratum, to continue to have consciousness after we die.


 No.20691

>>20678

>No rational atheist claims to have proof that there is no god.

This is why we call you retards.


 No.20700

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Does anyone ITT have a slightest proof that there is a god?

I mean, just from a number of different religions alone. You don't have to proof "non-existence" of anything. If there were just a slight hint of creator then maybe your argument would work… but there isn't. Even if we don't have "proof" of god "non-existence", a chance that there is one is so small it is plainly stupid to believe in one… and I'm not even mentioning the utter bullcrap written in religious books.

Agnosticism is just cowardly sitting on the fence.

Theism is a outright stupid position of non rational people.

Atheism is the only rational stance.


 No.20701

>>20700

Read real history books, go to your college and read something better than "womyn studies 101" or crap like that, stuff that your teacher never force on you.

Do decent questions like "worship or not?", "the first cause is God?". Epicuro is a nice entry level for zetgeist faggots (just because is the original edgy fedora in the eyes of plebs).

And remember, if you wanna troll apus and feminists use the word god(s) and if you wanna troll christians that actually read their Bibles us the word God or the thread will become another fingerbox thread, but with retards really believing their crap.


 No.20713

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>>20701

Epicuros? Man, you must be dense… (pic related)

I read many books and never ever I've found a slightest hint on gods existence.

Also - what caused a first cause? Also - If god = first cause, how is this making him conscious, human-like or caring about human affairs? So still, even if by some miraculous magic science we are still thousands of years away from understanding there is a "god" a first cause, it still means that all religions = false.

Maybe you should try to read some books.

Also, I've asked for a proof and you didn't provide any, so by he rules of logic, what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, which means that there is no god.


 No.20714

See, this is why we should just laugh at and then ignore the religious.

Their only "argument" is akin to a child's: you believe because you don't believe. And your not believing is belief.

This is as illogical as saying not collecting stamps is a hobby. Or being a virgin is having sex.

Also like children (and dogs and women), you cannot reason with them (for if you could, there would be no religious people), so all you can do is shout at them or whack 'em on the nose when they kick up too much of a fuss.


 No.20715

>>20714

This all the way…


 No.20717

>>20713

>>20714

>>20715

Not sure if samefagging or echochamber.

>I read many books and never ever I've found a slightest hint on gods existence.

Then we have

>Also - what caused a first cause? Also - If god = first cause, how is this making him conscious, human-like or caring about human affairs? So still, even if by some miraculous magic science we are still thousands of years away from understanding there is a "god" a first cause, it still means that all religions = false.

Then i remember that i wrote this

>>20701

Then i see this

>Maybe you should try to read some books.

Dude, you dont need a major in anything… seriously (ad hominems censored).


 No.20728

>>20713

There's a lot more to the problem of evil and suffering debate than your jpg m8. Life actually makes sense as a series of challenges/tests giving the opportunity for spiritual growth. The time limit the inevitability of death places on everyone pushes most people to do something with their life. So that explains why a loving God allows death, as well as because it clears the way for new generations. The existence of danger can inspire bravery or cowardliness, the existence of suffering can inspire compassion or cruelty, and ultimately when you really look at these things, the way anyone is shaped by the world comes down to their own choice one way or another on how something will effect them. We could examine every event in life and every choice and character aspect for hours and we would eventually get to your side's last defence, which is some variant of "why is there seemingly unnecessary, over the top suffering that serves no purpose, such as x painful and debilitating disease?" Well that's all relative, but I have to admit troubling. I have never experienced a painful and debilitating, prolonged disease, but I know some of those that have still maintain a belief in God, and some don't. We're likely both lacking the world experience to really get into this question because we've never seen first hand human evil or experienced natural evil. And before you get all angsty and say "b-but you don't know anything about me". Yes I do. I know exactly how old you are and the sort of life you lead by the way you type, and I know you're a teenager or young man and you're as comfortable as I am. So my point stands. We can both seriously have this debate maybe 60 years from now when we actually know life. :^)


 No.20731

>>20728

You seem to be incredibly naive. Did you sawthe world? World is evil place and no loving god would punish his creation like that.

Im 28 years old.

Im comfortable, that's true,but I've saw cancer and hunger and neurodegenerative diseases.

You have not slightest proof for gods existence, all the while there is a lot of points that show that there isn't any. All holy texts are false and mostly counter each other. How do you pick the right religion if there are no facts about god? Why do you believe in god even though there are no facts to back his existence up? How do you even know its not her?

Sorry for slipping into ad hominem, but did you consider that you might be a pretentious faggot who thinks that he ate all the worlds wisdom and that you just like your favourite fairy tale and are scared of the random universe without intrinsic meaning and purpose, afraid that after you die there is nothing and in fear that you might not be a super special snow flake hand crafted by the hand almighty, but just a speck of mold on a speck of sand in the chaotic, indifferent, empty and cold universe?


 No.20732

>>20731

What a bunch of crap, all you arguments (at least how are you showing them) are already destroyed, but you just ignore them and keep posting, btw, that thing about "counter religions" is fake as fuck, islam fulfil revelations and even satanists are against a system being inside that system.

I am 34 btw but nobody gave a single fuck, go and be a nihilistic somewhere else kid.


 No.20734

>>20006

You don't have to say "there is no god", just as you don't have to say "there is no invisible pink bear hiding under my bed". The only reason people say "there is no god" is because other people keep insisting that there is, despite the fact that it's nothing more than a fictional entity.

>>20401

Experience is the exact opposite of belief, you moron.


 No.20735

>>20627

>kek

Go back to /b/, kid.


 No.20736

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>>20732

Well, you didn't countered any of my arguments nor proposed a single fact to back up yours.


 No.20737

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>>20732

also, even if muslims and christians worship the same god, those faiths are mutually exclusive. Also, what about all the Hindu children that will end up in hell by default? Workings of the loving god.


 No.20738

>>20734

Thats the problem, most fedoras "think" that a teddy bear is the same as a concept that create the west and is not based on just a few tards.

>>20735

>no arguments

>asking to go back to /b/

>>20736

Read it all again… wait, are you trolling me, right?

>>20737

We have two cases, for the first i already talked about satanistics tards to prevent that answer and advance a little, use that for your first "problem". For the second you have from limbo dance to if they were ok they will be saved, read the NT please, not what your local american protestant is saying please.


 No.20740

guess we can blame the delightfully imprecise english language for this thread, which forces us to use the words "belief" and "to believe" for two vastly different things.

I don't "believe" (as in worship / revere / put my faith into) a god.

That makes me an atheist.

As for "believing" in the existence of such an entity, I'm not saying there isn't. Maybe one or more of the hundreds of thousands gods mankind has worshiped over the course of the millennia actually does exist. I don't claim to know if they do or don't.

Atheists don't necesarily "believe" (as in think) that there are no gods, though many do.

Those who "believe" (as in put their faith into that thought) that there are no gods could be considered some sort of anti-religon (not "believing" (faith) in something but "believing" (faith) in the absence of something)


 No.20741

>>20740

Dude no, we cant just change meanings because we believe they work better that way.

You have a question, if they dont give a fuck is "irreligious", we are talking about people that live and "animal" lifestyle, they just dont care, making money is more important than questions about existance, parties are more important than thinking and orgasms are a goal without caring about consequences, even autistics fedoras have goals, questions and faith, irreligious people just breath and breed.


 No.20742

>>20741

>and

*an

Sorry for tipping


 No.20745

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>>20738

Hi, it is me again. Im still waiting for proof that god is real. You know what, I won't be too hard on you, I will be ok with a only a proof that one religion is the right one while the other is not.

Do you call yourself rational person?

Do you believe (see what I did there?) that man should use reason?

>>20741

lol wut? Im irreligious person and I ponder rhe questions of meaning and existence… honstly, this is how I discovered that there is no god. Also, if you claim there is one, you should have a proof prepared. Refer to my text above.


 No.20752

>>20745

>>20741

Pure crap, so i will go for something better in your post:

> I will be ok with a only a proof that one religion is the right one while the other is not.

Actually the NT use OT to prove himself and talks about islam being something bad, if islam never happened we have a problem, but is there, meanwhile kikes become so mad that they created his own religion that is against the OT and, fun fact, it was also foreseen in the NT, more fun facts, "fedora" dating put those books before some funny parts of talmud and Muh ham mad talmudism for shabbos goys.

>muh aorta

And i am both guys, or goys, wathever, if you cant follow the line i already have showed is not my fault, seriously, is not an ad hominem and i am not talking about something spiritual or mystic and stuff at least i know that if you are a 90+ iq or you dont have any mental problem (a serious one) you will be ok based on your own words.

Bleesings.


 No.20753

>>20752

Ok, now you totally showed us the right way. Bless your words cause they are holy as is your god. The truth is now so obvious. If only I just checked those books…

And what about those hindu kids in hell? Oh muhammad on winged horse? Or all world creatures on one boat?

Maybe try read some other books.

But you are probably a lost case…

See, you and the likes of you is why it is totally laughable that we call ourselves "sapiens". Even twice. Reason and logic means nothing to you as long as you have your nice fairy tale. World would be so much, so much better place without your ilk.


 No.20754

>>20752

>Actually the NT use OT to prove himself…

Really?

Your shitty books prove nothing. Hope that if you see someone working on shabbat you stone them to dead… Holy fucking shit man, you must be really dense.


 No.20756

>>20753

Not posting credentials cause i am not a retarded, but i can stop working and live a shitty life.

>>20754

Dude, with your "stonning point" you just prove me right.

Why arent you ok dudes? are you retarded or just shills? seriously.


 No.20772

>>20756

Yep, by my "stonning point" I totally proved you right and that means that the god exists…

I've just realized that I might be wasting my time. You got nothing except wishful thinking and you like it so much and are afraid of truth so much that you are completly irational and deaf to all reason.

Where is your argument?

What proof do you have?

Why should I believe in god?

And why is yours the right one wile all the others are not?

(and pleae, be aware that "first uncaused cause" and "it is writen in OT and NT confirms it so it is 100% certified truth" are not arguments and only show your lack of knowledge.

And to your last question - I'm cool dude man. I just like to call myself rational. And that makes me question things. I would actually like to see a strong case for god, it would be so interesting. But what I always encauter is people pretending to be logical and reasonable while claiming that all humankind rised from two people. Or that there is a loving god watching milions children dying from hunger or dooming innoncent hindu children to purgatory by default… which sounds to me too much like bullshit.


 No.20791

>>20772

Ok, first, you are mixing talmudism with christianity, then you are mixing OT with NT, i cant continue arguing with that, sorry. Read the books, understand the ideas, acknowledge what thing go in every thing then we can continue this, you will notice that both "talmudism" and islam were foreseen by christianity with details, now check scientific dating of Revelations then read your posts, my posts and the other things writed by that other guy then post again.

I am seriously thinking that you are a troll and seriously, read an history book, you will se how "talmudism" becomes softer after kitos war and started a "political/cultural/economical war" and how you "thinking" was crafted by these guys.

Please try answering the first point before using the second for ad hominems or i will type: "tips fedora" every time i see a single post from you and if you dont know the reason is because you have retardation (autism?).


 No.20814

>>20363

Only because it was discovered the satanic abusers were the jews.


 No.20819

>>20363

Kek, i knowed a girl into that stuff, shit was and is real, basically ye olde forbiden by the Bible cults.




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