No.18299
I'll make this story as short as I can. My English is not the best so it'll be a bit long probably.
My dad is old and a weirdo, and has been involved with publishing all his life to this day. He's sort of a hippie and his whole worldview is something like "people should be able to do whatever they want with no government involvement, and morals don't really exist beyond agreement because the only immoral things are the things you do to others when they don't want said things being done to them"
I guess he'd call himself a libertarian if he cared about labels.
I visited him last year. We don't even live in the same continent any more so we don't see each other often. My old house is like a museum. Tons and tons of books and magazines, photographs, letters and all that, carefully archived by decade and theme and language.
I discovered he worked for companies that published legal CP back in the day. We were talking and he told me things I never imagined, such as the fact that most porno mags (that were not classy and huge and socially accepted such as Play Boy) were basically the same company. The same people went from one publishing house to the next for freelance work, so everybody knew everybody else.
He never had involvement with film so he has no 8mm reels, but he has (or claims to have) every single issue of every magazine that specialized in legal CP, every issue that was finished but never published, every issue that was unfinished, most of the photos that didn't make the cut, and all the photos that were sent by readers.
A few things I would have never guessed:
- Most of the pics readers sent were unusable. Most were candids of themselves nude, because they just took them from their mother's album. Candid pics with nothing interesting about them.
- Even though mags specializing in boys were requested by readers, they didn't have enough interested parents (without the parents, the photo sessions simply couldn't happen) so most of the boys they got they had to pair with LGs or women.
- Most of the letters the readers used to communicate with each other were scams and were not printed.
- A sort of club of parents that have sex with their kids emerged because of the magazines.
About that last point, he said it worked like this: parents took their daughters to the studios and either fucked them or had some member of the crew fuck them (or touch them, whatever). Most sessions that were published as nudes involved sex that they didn't photograph. Parents would end up meeting other parents and they'd enjoy each other's girls, and they'd keep in contact so they got together for non-commercial, not-photographed orgies.
Of course I asked whether or not he had sex with some of models and he said every crew member got at least oral, some of the LGs were willing to trade oral with strangers but absolutely refused to let anyone but daddy fuck them, and the ones that actually were DTF were horny little beasts that loved the cum of strangers.
He says only once he himself appeared in a mag, but it's just his penis being sucked by a girl in what he calls a "strip" (not sure what it means, I'm no photographer) but he apparently got a lot of LG action that no one photographed.
Most interestingly, this wasn't a good business. There was money involved, but no one ever became rich with it. Probably because of the clandestine nature of the magazines, they never made a fortune and never expected to. The funny part is, some of the crew members did it for the least amount of money they could ask (they needed to be paid because they were professionals) and some of the parents were paid with money they ended up giving back because they were eager to show they'd do it for free.
So, again, I don't see him often. However, he calls me every week. I figured some of you would have a question or two for the old man.
By the way, if this is the wrong board for this thread please delete it but don't ban me. I got in a bit of trouble for mentioning it on /b/ a while ago.
No.18300
You shoudnt believe everything some hippie freak tells you
No.18301
>>18299What you need to do is find those and scan the shit out of them
No.18304
>>18301Right. But if I do, then what?
The way I see it, that'd make me a producer. Also, if I post the material somewhere I'd become a producer and a distributor, and I'd have to scan it in Europe and send it to myself in South America so that'd be traceable.
Or I could store it in a flashdrive and keep it to myself until I find something to do with it. Actually I was thinking about scanning it, but that'd take a lot of time and I only go there for a week or two. Maybe I'll just ask if he can do it.
>>18300He never lies about this kind of thing. He lies about taxes and things of that nature. Useful lies, exclusively. He's incredibly organized and his mind is a reflection of that.
No.18305
>>18304You could try and find someone who's willing to do so, and i don't think that would be hard in South America
What country are you from?
No.18306
>>18304Well you wouldn't be a producer given that those were produced by Color Climax, you'd only be a distributer
No.18307
>>18305>i don't think that would be hard in South AmericaI don't live in a hellhole of corruption and organized crime. In my country, we don't even have drug cartels.
You're thinking about some other country of the region. It's very hard to get away with stuff like that here if you organize with other PDF Files. It's always very scandalous and punished severely.
Don't get me wrong: I'm sure there's some organized crime and there must be organizations of PDF Files, but they're certainly not on the surface and I don't have any way to contact that sort of people. I wouldn't anyway.
No.18310
>>18299Remember that supply and demand argument sntis use when arguing for why even just possession is bad? In that people demanding it is the reason why children are abused?
This is a perfect example of how the demand for CP isn't the real reason for children being abused.
If people weren't demanding it the abusers just wouldn't record it and upload it but they would still abuse. So yeah, there's no CP but the abuse still happens.
>Parents would end up meeting other parents and they'd enjoy each other's girls, and they'd keep in contact so they got together for non-commercial, not-photographed orgies.>non-commercial, not-photographed orgiesAnd to think if there was actually a way to create no demand resulting in no creation and uploading of CP those abusers would be even harder to track down.
No.18325
No.18331
>>18310It's more of a demand for CP being produced than a demand for children to be abused. Without CP being a force in the economy, people are more likely to turn to other legal forms of child erotica like drawings.
No.18333
>>18331>It's more of a demand for CP being produced than a demand for children to be abusedWhich is why I think we should produce GCI CP. High quality stuff that is indistinguishable from real humans. CGI models can't be abused because they're not real and the demand is satisfied with a quality product.
No.18334
>>18333I should have posted this instead.
Anyway, no questions for my dad?
No.18335
>>18333We have a while to go before CG models are actually indistinguishable from real people.
>>18334You would have to be blind and dumb to think that's a real child.
No.18336
>>18335Actually, I've seen amazing CGI models that are in fact indistinguishable from real people. Right now it'd be impossible to make entire films with them because it's be expensive, but it will happen.
It's better not to wait for that technology to be cheap, though. I say we start now the commercial production of CGICE and when we have the means to make it hyper realistic, we make it hyper realistic. For now it could be not so realistic and maybe stylized.
>>18335>You would have to be blind and dumb to think that's a real childDon't say that about whatever mod banned me last time I posted that pic.
Banned for posting CP, no less. Even though it's obviously CGI. No.18337
>>18336I know someone complained that none of the Walking Dead video game characters have eye veins.
No.18338
>>18331>Without CP being a force in the economy, people are more likely to turn to other legal forms of child erotica like drawings.Even if there was no commercial CP being produced there would still be production and a demand for it. As described below.
>It's more of a demand for CP being produced than a demand for children to be abused.I agree, unfortunately some demand CP that involves abusive acts, and the severely isolated people who desperately want to seek validation/acceptance within the group go through with it.
Then once they're accepted within some small circle it becomes an outperforming match where they compete with each other for producing the most arousing (and possibly more abusive) content to share between themselves.
All of this done non-commercially. Operating just on the desire to be accepted as part of a group due to severe ostracisation from society. This is as an aside to the commercial production in the OP.
No.18347
No.18355
I can't say you should get scans of all that and upload somewhere safe.
No.18356
>>18336Current case law in the US is that if somebody could mistake CG for CP, it's CP.
Yes, it makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Please, be the guy that wins that court case.
No.18358
I can't say you should get scans of all that and upload to some deep web/freenet/i2p page
No.18361
>>18356That's just so you can't take a photograph, put a filter on it in photoshop and say it was computer generated.
No.18372
I find the problem with CGI CP is that pedophiles can't produce it.
And if they can't produce it then they have to resort to producing regular CP.
No.18374
>>18372Why exactly can't pedophiles produce CGI?
No.18375
>>18374Well some could but most won't be able to. At least anything to the level that satisfies them or others.
No.18401
>>18335At the end, it was deleted anyway.
No.18402
>>18375you could say the same thing about regular cp
No.18403
>>18402Yes, yes you could say the same.
Though there are likely to be more pedos with private access to children than there are with high-level 3D modelling and animation skills.
CGI, like loli, would just become another form of pornography the ones who can't produce either would hoard. Not likely to remove the demand for actual CP.
No.18406
Do these still go on?
No.18408
>>18406If by "these" you mean legal CP, the answer is no. If you mean "commercial CP", the answer is also no, but to some degree I guess it goes on. I mean, some people must be producing it just to sell it.
Maybe I'm being naive and it happens a lot and I don't realize it. I don't think my dad would know more than I do, but I'll ask anyway.
No.18412
>>18408I have no proof, but I believe it does. Though not in its magazine like capacity. Most/All of the commercial stuff is probably sold using some form of cryptocurrency.
No.18413
>>18406>>18408Commercial cp is still a thing but highly, HIGHLY exaggerated by the media. I think I heard the phrase "billions of dollars" thrown around recently which is utterly absurd. Every commercial cp outlet in the last 20 years eventually has been either disbanded (a handful) or busted within a couple of years of being established (almost all of them). New ones continue to pop up but there's nothing to suggest it will ever be a big industry.
Essentially all cp created now that gets out is done either by amateurs to share and trade with no money involved, or by children themselves via self-shot pics and vids (technically most of these are actually recorded by an adult on the other end). Child prostitution in poor countries is many orders of magnitude more prevalent than commercial cp production.
On the other hand, these nonprofit underground orgies could very well exist. Unfortunately their very nature makes it impossible to trace or quantify; the only way to get a definitive answer would be to have a significant amount of people not only come forward voluntarily, but be able to provide enough information that their story is actually corroborated. In the current climate I don't see that happening.
No.18414
Absolutely disgusting. Loli love should be free and never exploited for commerce. This is just as fucked up as trying to tax air.
No.18417
>>18414A refreshing read.
No.18418
>>18299Interesting story, thanks for sharing. I enjoy these nuggets of history to be able to view our current craze in proper context.
Your English is perfect by the way.
No.18421
>>18299I've got some questions for your father:
>Where did your father mainly work?>Did he ever pursue relationships with any children? If so, how did it go?>Any useful information/tips for someone of our interest? No.18449
that is seriously my dream job. working at a LS/color climax style company.
I used to read color climax when I was a kid. shit was amazing. you can still find some scans nowadays that people ~forgot~ to remove the CP out.
No.18464
No.18466
>>18464Nah, just another Anon with interests in this area of sexuality who may or may not be a pedophile.
No.18549
Did any moms ever bring any kids in? If so, did they have sex with them as well?
No.18562
My dad will be calling in about three hours, so if you have any questions here's your chance for the week.
No.18563
>>18562Tell him we want him to join our pizza trading ring and post how he reacted.
No.18579
Why were there never any chubbies? :(
No.18667
>>18300>not knowing color climax/pol/ plz go
No.18670
>>18667The fact that Color Climax exists you can believe. All the other stuff in the post, not so much.
No.18743
Update?
OP pls
No.18753
>>18743Sorry. Sorry. I had a crazy busy week.
>>18406Do these still go on?
As I predicted, my dad doesn't know more than I do.
>>18421>Where did your father mainly work?In Europe, mainly Spain and Holland.
And Hong Kong.
I mention Hong Kong separately because I knew he lived and worked there (I was born there) but I didn't know the work he did there was related to porn.
Now I know that among other things, he did porn-related things there. If not for your question I wouldn't know, so thanks.
He's a translator and an editor above all else so I don't assume he took pictures of LGs everywhere he went.
>Did he ever pursue relationships with any children? If so, how did it go?I knew he'd laugh at this, and he did. Kinda.
Found the question strange. He didn't "pursue relationships". Let's just say as an adult I've only seen my mom once.
>Any useful information/tips for someone of our interest?I didn't know how to interpret that question. Omitted it.
>>18563>Tell him we want him to join our pizza trading ring and post how he reacted.The one thing I wouldn't want would be my conversations with my own dad to become interrogations. Much less for the sake of a joke, so I omitted that one too. Even though it could have been funny. I'm sorry.
>>18361I have to say that makes some sense. It sucks, but there's a reason behind it. A reason I can see.
>>18418>Your English is perfect by the wayYou are too kind.
No.18840
>>18753Thanks for asking and supplying the answers. Will you be doing this again at any time?
No.18846
>>18840If there's any interest, sure. Also, if the questions are interesting.
No.18855
Question: how did it all end? Why did the magazines stop getting made? Did any families get busted?
No.18870
>>18299you should definitely scan those pics, for posterity.
just better don't publish them in your life time because that's asking for trouble, with nowadays zeitgeist.
>>18307>I don't live in a hellhole of corruption and organized crime.lucky you. plz don't bully
No.19112
>>18307I only know of one kind of PDF file and it clearly isn't what you're talking about. What are you talking about?
No.19170
No.19180
>>18870He prolly lives in the southern cone region I.e. Argentina or Chile or whatnot. That's the region which is all white or nearly so and Has high HDI
No.19190
>>19170I think I know the answer to this question
Spoiler, it's "yes"but I'll ask for details.
Tomorrow I'll talk to him but I probably won't be posting until the day after because I'll be working until midnight. If I'm not too tired I'll be answering when I come home but that's unlikely. In any case you can ask questions now. Make them interesting, and please no trollan.
>>19180You're a very smart one.
No.19196
>>19180Chile definitely, Argentina has drug cartels.
No.19223
No.19277
>>18855>how did it all end? Why did the magazines stop getting made?The law changed. Apparently it worked like this: the production was technically legal in at least three countries but easy enough only in Denmark. Other than the fact that the crew had to be professional and at least one of the parents of performers under eighteen had to be present, there were no restrictions. Those were the only two conditions.
So the mags were made in Denmark but in most other countries production was illegal. However, distribution wasn't strictly regulated and in some countries distribution wasn't illegal at all. When a distributor (say, from Germany) bought issues, that distributor was responsible for the mags and his only legal responsibility was before German law.
This meant that even if they sent them to a country where they had laws against it and there was a bust, they busted the distributor and not the company. Same with mail order issues and people with subscriptions: they paid for it and they were responsible for it.
In the same way, they had deals with small crews in other countries where production was not legal. The crews there produced material illegally and assumed 100% of the risk. A lot of material was sent from England and Italy and some from Asia (the material from exotic places was usually printed all together in "specials" which gave fans the illusion that they were bigger and more professional companies, capable of travelling around the world just to make special issues)
But the law changed and by 1980 production was illegal in Denmark. But some printed issues up until 1982 (some got fines) because they had material saved up and needed to make some money back. Others simply reprinted previous issues.
My dad says this is why so many issues were finished but never sold or even printed and why many were unfinished: for most companies it ended abruptly as soon as the law changed, but others didn't entirely end production.
Color Climax stopped production as soon as the law changed. Other companies kept it going for a short while.
They used the same printing houses, same rented equipment, and most of the same staff; but different people in charge meant they were different companies. Those printers were used for regular porn too, so the machines kept working. With the printers working, it wasn't that hard to publish the occasional sneaky CP mag.
But that law was the law so it ended eventually. That, plus it never was a great business to begin with. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't great either and as anyone would, they chose not to do it any more.
By 1982 it was over. From then up until 1985 or so the only issues that were sold were old issues they had in stock (not even reprints) and they were all sent to Asia; but only because some countries (mostly Japan) paid well and it was done downright illegally. Distribution to Japan was done always illegally although it could have been done legitimately. Apparently it was too much hassle to follow Japanese law, though. When selling to Japan (and probably Hong Kong. Didn't ask, but I assume) it was less like a business arrangement between supplier and distributor and more like a deal between only two individuals: the owner of the issues and the buyer. The point is they never cared about laws with those countries so the change of the law in Denmark didn't mean a thing because they were used to do it under the table.
>Did any families get busted?He said "not that I know of" and "probably not"
>>18579>Why were there never any chubbies? :(The answer to this shocked me. I certainly didn't expect it: there were.
Never a special mag dedicated to them or even a special issue, but he says there were some chubby performers.
Those have probably never been scanned if you've not seen them.
Has anybody seen any?
>>19170>>18549>Did any moms ever bring any kids in? If so, did they have sex with them as well?As I thought: yes and yes. LGs and LBs. But mostly LGs.
Most of the sessions (filming and photo) were actually done in someone's house, as was the case with most semi-professional non-CP mags up until the 90s. Most parents who wanted their children to be in the mags called the crew over to their house. Some times the editor found a house they could use if the home of the kids wasn't big enough or for some other reason not usable.
Some mothers were photographed (and I guess filmed) with their kids but not all mothers were willing to be shot and end up in the mags. All mothers (or at least a very large majority) had some sexual contact with their kids (and with members of the crew. And with other parents, and with their kids)
Some things he told me and I find worth sharing:
No.19278
>>19277- They went once to a big house and made several sessions commissioned by some production not related to Color Climax. One house, five families. It took them three days and, in what was technically one job, got more than enough material for an entire issue plus material to archive and later use as filler. It meant saving money: renting only one big house and gathering several families instead of renting one house per family or going to their individual homes.
When he got there, the families and some members of the crew were already having some fun. A lot of kids, some as young as six but most ten or older. Some of the kids and all of the adults were enjoying the orgy and when my dad came, he became the party pooper immediately by reminding them they had work to do. The free, spontaneous and fun orgy with no rules became work. He says he didn't like his job that day. He would have preferred to keep the party going.
Sadly, he disappointed children that day.
- A young single mother of two girls and her boyfriend contacted one of the publishers once, and a producer sent them to some farm. My dad did all the work and photographed the four of them for a whole day. My dad got a BJ from the older girl and fucked the mom (in front of the boyfriend, who was busy touching the girls. They were all watching delighted. I know because I asked). The boyfriend (father of none of the girls) and the mother had sexual contact with them (limited to oral sex and genital rubbing) and my dad made a set he is very happy about. The best photos (he described them in a way that made clear to me he's proud of them) are some of the boyfriend fucking the mother while she kisses and licks the girls as all of them smile naturally, one of the boyfriend covering the face of the younger girl with cum as she giggles, and several photos of tiny lesbian action he managed to get between the girls.
Then he developed the photos himself, showed them to the editor, and the editor absolutely refused to publish them because the younger girl was barely three. Her sister was six or seven and that was acceptable, but the little one was a problem. They didn't officially have age limits, but never published pictures of kids that young. When contacting the producer, either the boyfriend or the mother lied about the age of the younger kid.
Some years later, when the younger girl was five or six, my dad contacted them and tried to recreate the photo session he liked so much. This time there was penetration of the girls, too. He claims he only fucked the older one but the younger one had a popped cherry, and he didn't fuck the mom. The lesbian action between the girls was more intense, too. Pictures from the second session were published, he claims (so maybe some of you have seen scans. I don't know what has been scanned) and everyone loved them, but he always thought the first session was way better. Even though he didn't photograph LG fucking the first time and the second session had vaginal LG penetration, he still considered the "remake" inferior.
So he told me that story and I asked some questions, and he says he thinks he liked the first session better because the girls were younger and smiled a lot and giggled, and he loved that. When they were older, they giggled less and moaned more. They were enjoying sex more like adults do and he liked it better when they were innocent and sex was more of a game for them.
No.19279
>>19278- Negatives were sent from other countries, as I said, but occasionally a family would come over. Specially families that paid for their own flights.
Rarely a producer would pay for their flight, but exceptions were made when the models had a lot to offer.
The one big exception was a mother and her daughter from Spain. They had printed pictures of the LG when she was about seven and everybody loved her. She was paired with another LG instead of a boy, but she was clearly the star. The other LG was mostly ignored by the readers. The pictures were of them posing, masturbation (probably mutual, I didn't ask) and mutual pussy-eating.
Her fans sent tons of letters demanding more, so they flew them in when she was about eight. She became so popular they gave her her own special, made up a name (respected her nationality and gave her a Spanish stage name) and made up a story about her dad because they decided not to pair her with a boy or a girl, but a man instead.
So they got some dude to be her dad for the special. The text printed next to the pics was some BS about her loving her dad and playing with him every day or something. Standard BS literature for porn. The pictures were of her modelling, undressing, showing her parts and giving and receiving oral sex (with her mom and fake dad, who were photographed in a way that didn't show their faces)
But there was no fucking. Still, the readers absolutely loved the issue, which sold extremely well. The LG was the most popular performer any mag ever had.
But again the readers sent letters and asked for more, so the producer promised another special. The LG and her mom got to stay for more than a year in the country, for free.
The special they promised was about the LG losing her virginity, and they fucking delivered. There was talk of filming as well as photographing, but at the end it was just photos. She was "trained" during that year with fingers and objects, and she was buttfucked by several guys including her fake dad and my real dad. Apparently she loved anal, which was weird for everyone (but I'm guessing no one complained)
Her mother and her used to hang around the studios and offices because they became friends with everyone, so having sex with either of them was just a matter of asking.
When the photo sessions for the special began, everybody wanted to be there. My dad wasn't part of the crew but he was there, and indeed her first time being pussyfucked was documented in several photographs taken with different lenses and from several angles by several photographers. Didn't want to miss a detail. The pictures were published and the fans were delighted: an entire issue of her and her fake dad; getting naked, touching and kissing, giving and receiving oral, then some buttfucking (because they figured she loved it so much it'd put her in the mood), and finally the much anticipated pussyfuck (which reportedly she did enjoy but didn't enjoy as much as everyone expected her to). All this without really showing the guy's face, which I assume is tricky.
The issue sold like no other mag up until that point and the girl and her mother went back to Spain, but returned a year later. Again she wasn't paired with a boy, but with another LG and at that point she loved being pussyfucked. My dad says she was great and almost always DTF. She was about to turn eleven the last time he fucked her. Apparently they didn't go back to Spain so it's possible that they still live in Denmark.
This post is already extremely long, so I apologise. I'll just say that in order to have this conversation naturally with my dad I had to tell him about this board. He laughed and loved the idea, but only after I promised it's all anonymous.
He refused to come and post, which is too bad because his English is perfect. Maybe I'll ask him about details concerning the physical act of love with LGs if there's interest. I can't guarantee he has interesting details, though.
>>19112Read the words "PDF File" out loud. Phonetically, doesn't it sound like another word? A word related to the board?
It's a cute way of saying "pedophile". At least I thought it was funny… No.19286
No.19288
I hate you and your father and hope everyone involved with his child porn company dies.
No.19294
>>19288Sooner or later everyone runs out of time.
No.19329
Thanks for these stories - it is amazing to hear about these happenings. I almost wish I was born thirty years before I was!
What sort of people were involved in these magazines? Were the children mostly the offspring of single moms? Were the families rich or poor? Which countries did they tend to come from? Were the parents generally younger (say, in their twenties?). Were they religious? well-educated? well-traveled? hippies?
No.19330
>>19329I'm imagining a lot of single moms and a lot of hippies, probably towards the poor side.
No.19336
>>19330
>only poor people enjoy getting their kids fuckedKek
You realize most orgies involving children happen for free, in well-off nudist communities, right?
No.19338
>>19330>>19336It's an interesting idea, because it seems to me that the poor form the bulk of today's pedo-hysteria mob.
No.19361
>>19277>>19278Fascinating, rich and detailed stories.
No.19373
>>19336why are you bothering with an idiotic strawman?
No.19414
>>19279Any more info on this? Like a name/timeline/issue #? Surely something like this had to have been documented somewhere. The fact that this stuff was so out in the open but not really talked about is fascinating.
No.19464
Wow, OP. Greatest thread!
I can't really think of any more questions, but more deatils, stories would be great. Maybe you could bring your father to write down a longer text about everything that happened? It could be published in one of the existing pedo online magazines (Alicelovers Magazine, Youngtimes).
No.19469
>>19414>this stuff was so out in the open but not really talked aboutI found a story once about a girl who did porn for CC or some other company. Of course it was written from the perspective of an old and bitter woman who denies having had any fun having sex and being on film but whatever.
All I remember is she was taken to France and there she had sex with a woman and a man and they promised her a pinball machine and a pony. I may not remember many details but I'm sure the story included the sentence "and I never got the pony", which implies she got the pinball machine.
I wish I had a pinball machine. And a pony.
No.19536
>>19469>I may not remember many details but I'm sure the story included the sentence "and I never got the pony", which implies she got the pinball machine.>I wish I had a pinball machine. And a pony.That made me lol
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No.19604
>>19601exactly what rebuttal does an idiotic strawman deserve?
No.19605
>>19604a scarecrow you idoot
No.19608
>>19288Dude, I have a boner from reading that. Sounds like everyone involved had tons of fun. It doesn't sound at all destructive. Incest FTW.
No.19615
>>19279>Maybe I'll ask him about details concerning the physical act of love with LGs if there's interest.+Interest.
No.19617
>>18299If this is still going on, I'd like to know:
1. How often did the LG's have sex including blowjobs, handjobs, and etc.?
2. How were the LG's trained/conditioned to be able to take vaginal/anal/oral penetration?
3. Were condoms ever used?
4. Did CC ever produce more hardcore material catering to fetishes like deep throat, creampies, or BDSM?
Details would be very much appreciated concerning the second question.
No.19660
How did the people involved with this find each other in the first place? Are you still in contact, do you know what happened to anyone of them afterwards? And how many others were there with the kind of information that he has?
No.19664
>what are you eating right now?
No.19730
>>19469That's from "The Hunt For Britains Paedophiles" documentary from the BBC (it's on youtube).
I lol'd out loud at that part, I was thinking of making a video in the style of "rip pony 1945-2002 ;_;" but I didn't to avoid having butthurts telling me to go kill myself in the comments…
No.19904
>>19664I don't eat much. At the time of your post I may have been eating a veggie burger if I was eating at all.
Also, weird question. But not really considering the rest are about sex with children.
But sex with love and consent, and I don't disapprove of that.
No.19907
>>19730BBC, biggest problem in the universe, go vote it up and vote "pedophiles" down.
http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/the-problems/ No.20166
>>19730Biased garbage.
Sure, some pedos are bad people, but according to the BBC we're all monsters.
No.20289
Update, talked to my dad for about three hours but only half of that time about LGs and sex with them. It was more a conversation than a Q&A because we were having a conversation already (he loves to talk about his dogs) and a lot of interesting information was revealed.
So I think most questions were included in the conversation and I recorded it because I figured it would be just a matter of transcribing the relevant parts. Big mistake: the relevant parts are mixed with regular conversation and I have to translate everything. Because we don't speak in English over the phone.
So I'll do that, but not now.
No.20300
>>18414100% this.
Also, i CRINGED at
> some of the parents were paid with money they ended up giving back because they were eager to show they'd do it for free.How generous! If anything, the lolis should have gotten the money, they were the ones who literally "did all the work".
IMHO The parents in the situation OP described were mere pimps.
No.20306
>>20289 Great thread, I think I was born in the wrong time, question for OP, so you didn't knew about dad's job when you were younger?
No.20474
I'm wondering:
Were the same team behind the gay videos & pictures as the straight ones?
What did the gay liberation community think of it at the time?
Were any politicians or high businessmen ever involved in the production, or at least as customers?
No.20498
>>20474who the fuck cares about the faggots? go to your own board.
No.20501
>>20498
>/younglove/ is my personal hugbox
Girlfucker pls
No.22509
No.22618
>>22509
Trying to transcribe the conversation was a bad idea, and also I would have to translate it.
A pain.
Also, is there even interest at this point?
No.22674
No.22675
>>22618
Yes. But as I know from university what pain transcribing is, I recommend you to not do it.
No.22901
>>22618
Yes, there are still lots of interest. Most people have probably only bookmarked this post and lurks now and then. Don't ask me how I know this. Last time I checked, over 17 people had re-visited this thread at least three times
No.23774
No.24402
>>23774
Anything can be a "corporation" nowadays…
No.24406
>>24402
It's not a corporation unless you can buy stock of it.
No.24411
>>24406
They shouldn't call it a corporation then. I'm sure it's a very small business with like 10 employees.
No.24498
>They shouldn't call it a corporation then. I'm sure it's a very small business with like 10 employees.
Yea, so the owners can have personal liability.
Fuck off.
No.28195
In the past men married young girls. Women didn't like it.
No.28197
>>28195
In the past the life expectancy was a lot closer to 30 than to 70 (about where it is today) so having a loli wife was kinda vital to the survival of humanity.
Today I don't know why any man would wanna get married, but I can see how having a lgf might bring some joy to your life.
No.28201
>>28197
This is complete rubbish. Life expectancy has always tethered around the 60-70 mark, offset by situational factors such as periodical disease(the plague), infant mortality rates and sociopolitical reasons(serfdom under feudalism), and marriage isn't even a prerequisite to reproduction.
No.28216
>>28201
Yeah, life expectancy was high in the middle ages as long as you factor out everything that would kill you.
No.28236
>>28216
Nobles then didn't drop dead at 30, and they still bred young. The point is that "adult women only" has always been a social outlook, not a biological imperative.
No.28244
>>28236
>and they still bred young.
Citation?
No.28249
>>28236
False. Ask any gynecologist (doctors for female reproduction, most are men and they have a females reproctive need as number one I know you probably don't know this) the best time for a female to reproduce is in her 20's. Not as a 12 year old nor as a teen. Female bodies aren't magically done developing in their teen years. So biology, modern medicine, and statistics support this.
I understand you want to validate your sexual desires but making up information just makes you look desperate and pathetic. I don't believe your list is wrong. It is wrong to make up facts…..
No.28271
Still looking for the medical book I read at the library years ago which claimed by the age of 9 a girl's vagina should be developed to the point where it could accept a penis the size of her father's. Not that this is a good idea. Like pregnancy it can be very destructive to the body.
Some girls feel ready for some things before 18, some women are never really prepared. The most important factor is them being able to decide for themselves without the typical guilt/shame/misinfo we're drowning in these days.
No.28273
>>28244
Do you really need a citation for child brides in the middle ages?
>>28249
>ask a gynecologist
And what are they supposed to say otherwise without ruining their career? There are physiological reports detailing vaginal function, many of which indicate full lubrication and contractive ability approximately 2 years after menarche, likely around 14.
I don't have to validate shit, because it's been a process throughout history that has been carried out without complications. The only one talking out of his ass here is you.
No.28279
>>28273
Yes, you really need citations to back up the claims you make.
Also, try not to shift the goalposts, we aren't talking about child brides, the exact claim you made was this:
>Nobles then didn't drop dead at 30, and they still bred young.
You did not say marry young, you said bred young.
>I don't have to validate shit
Your post really does nothing but reveal that you made a flat out lie and are now upset at getting called out on it and having nothing to back it up.
You can go ahead and never post again. It would be less embarrassing for you.
No.28285
>>28279
Where are the citations for your claims then? I'm tempted to actually put in time to give you sources, but I'd rather not waste time spoonfeeding a retard who begs for sources for everyday common knowledge. And for someone who gets his vagina in a twist over "shifting the goalposts", you've done just that.
If you're not going to put anything into your own reasoning other than insults and begging the question, then take your baseless garbage elsewhere, you hypocrite.
No.28286
>>28285
I haven't made any claims.
This are my only posts in this thread since it was bumped by the spammer >>28244 >>28279
It's nice to see you shift the burden of proof instead of posting a citation, really helps to reinforce that
> you made a flat out lie and are now upset at getting called out on it and having nothing to back it up.
http://womenofhistory.blogspot.com/2007/08/medieval-marriage-childbirth.html
>It is more common for a young woman to have been married early, though not to have had her first child until she was much older. It is agreed that the most common age for a young woman to have given birth to her first child is from 16yo.
>The consensus is that young women of middle or low status married and gave birth at a much later age
>So, the most common age for a young woman of middle or low status to marry was from the age of 22 years old.
No.28287
>>28286
>shift the burden of proof
Against a guy who's only argument was "u so embaras" and a couple of insults, shifting the goalpost so that I had to specifically prove that every historical child marriage was consumated, and completely reworded my previous posts in his own tongue to pretend I was "lying"; not dealing with a potential shitposter was the wisest choice.
>womenofhistory
There was a neat little article covering specific regional variations in child marriage and childbirthing age that I saw last week, with a citation for nearly each remark.
Considering you posted an unsourced opinion piece, of which the comments section doesn't even agree, from a feminist revisionist website, I'll just post this wikipedia link instead of going to the trouble of looking for it for someone who's spouting shit from unreliable sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy#History
No.28288
>>28287
>wikipedia entry about norwegians from the 20th century
>a list of a whopping 3 noblewoman who gave birth below the age of 16
damn looks like you totally schooled me huh
also good to see you ad hom'ing an actual citation while in the same breath posting a wikipedia page, really helps make you look not totally embarrassingly pathetic
i gave you perfect advice to avoid further embarrassing yourself
but it looks like you've chosen to keep embarrassing yourself
No.28289
http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/r/renaissance-childbirth/
>In 15th-century Florence, girls usually married between the ages of 15 and 19, and their childbearing peaked between the ages of 20 and 24.
No.28290
>>28288
I knew you were just a shitposter. Or more accurate to say, it was my mistake to believe a self-hater could possibly have a reasonable argument.
You posted a shitty source, you bent backwards when confronted with a solid source. You've been schooled, beaten, cornered, and humiliated. You never had any basis for your claims, and you never will. Keep spouting those insecure little insults, it's all a hypocrite has under his belt after all.
>>28289
That's a more reasonable source. But if you happen to be this idiot >>28288 , the topic he shifted his goalposts for me to prove was middle aged nobles, consumating marriages.
I hope you're not as big of a fuckwit as him, and realise that the renaissance is a different time period both historically and culturally, and that "childbearing peaked" does not explicitly mean childbearing did not happen at lower ages, or that there was no sexual activity before first childbirth.
No.28818
So where's the followup, OP?
No.28830
>>28818
I too have been waiting, and wondering if this was all an elaborate hoax. It's been decades since such things were available in bookstores and the few remaining stars and crew members from that era will likely take their stories to the grave. Too bad cuz it'd make for an interesting doc at least…
No.29038
>>18300
= ___=)
you sound
like an agent lol
No.29044
No.29241
>>28273
No a gyno studies the female reproductive system. There number 1 point is to present factual informationa about it. They are not going to lie.
It is disappointing that fellow MAPs ignore facts and science because it goes against what they want.
No.29285
If you faggots want to get academic shit, apparently Beyond Tolerance: Child Pornography on the Intenret written in 2003 basically confirms some of the OPs stuff abotu legality and whatnot.
No.29330
>>28249
He didn't say teens were the most fertile, just that there's nothing biological making it particularly hard for a girl who is not yet a woman to have children.
There's little data on the fertility of children, but one Russian study found 15 year olds have comparable fertility to 35 year olds.
No.29349
>>29330
That study is poorly done or rather you didn't understand the results. For example a 35 year old woman has less eggs than anyone younger than her. A girl is born with all her the eggs. However like 35 year old teens do have riskier pregnancy mainly related to the body. Just because a woman can conceive doesn't mean that she is healthy enough to be pregnant nor give birth. Technically a woman can still have a healthy baby until she reaches menopause however her diet and other things pay a role.
Basically unless any of you are practicing gynos or talk to them don't throw around bullshit to justify your attractions. I have talked to some and none of tthemare making up shit they are speaking from a scientific point. If they didn't they would probably get sued for malpractice.
No.29670
Since this thread is still up and my dad and I are going to be together next year for a few months, I ask now: is there interest any more?
'Cause I could ask him stuff directly. No awkward telephone conversations for a while.
No bump because maybe no one cares.
No.29780
tell us more about your dads experiences
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No.29788
>>29670
Your father is a disgusting PIECE OF SHIT FOR RAPING LITTLE GIRLS. I HOPE HE GOES TO PRISON AND GETS MURDERED. FUCK YOU AND YIUR BABY RAPING DAD.
No.29789
>>29670
We are stll intrested, yeah.
No need to make things akward
ignore the haters at >>29788
No.29807
>>29670
I'd love to read more stories about a not-so-distant past in the industry that will probably never end up in a history book (unless he writes one which is a great idea BTW).
Please keep a Q&A thread going and ask as many questions as he'll answer, particularly relating to shoots he was involved in, girls he's known, how crazy they got on camera, as many details as possible. Everyone loves a good story, especially if they're true.
No.29814
I am also very interested - and I respect your father very much for shedding some light on the years before I was born.
If your father writes a book I will buy 100 copies and mail them to selected celebrities.
No.29818
>>29814
>>29807
Maybe it's my fault that some of you think this is a big part of my father's life. My dad has done too many things and lived in too many places to consider any single one important. He's a weirdo, but he's super smart and in a way seems to live intensely in the present, always. Only in the present. He remembers the past, of course, but it's almost as if it's a film. I don't really know how to explain. I mean, he has regrets in a way no one else regrets things: if you ask him "that thing from your past was not ideal" he could say "yes, I made a mistake that day", but if you ask "what would you have done differently" he'd reply "nothing"
What I mean is, he knows the past is gone and doesn't seem to think it's useful to think about ways to fix it. As I said he exists only in the present. So he probably wouldn't write a book about his experiences, and if he did it wouldn't be just about a limited group of experiences.
He could write several books, I'm sure, but I'm also sure entire months go by for him without even thinking about the particular time he got to have sex with young girls.
It sure is weird to think this wasn't really that long ago when it wasn't entirely ilegal to fuck LGs, and how much things have changed.
No.29820
>>29818
Allow me to summarize the thoughts and feelings of the collective on the matter of now vs. then…
JUST
FUCK
MY
SHIT
UP
No.29826
Id be interested in knowing how any CP could be legal. fucking kids is fucking kids and to my knowledge this is completely taboo everywhere but in the muslim world.
No.29830
>>29826
Whatever is not illegal is legal, and some countries forgot to make laws about an age of conscent, or didn't consider it important for whatever reason.
Also, to change a law usually takes years. From the proposal to the law there can be decades of debate.
Heck, Japan didn't have an age of conscent up untill recentry, and CP became illegal like two years ago.
No.29833
>>29826
Up until the 70's CP was even legal in the USA. It was all imported from other countries, but legal nonetheless.
No.29838
>>19469
>>29833
The way I always heard it, up until the early 80s CP was legal and available in New York, but pinball was illegal because it was considered gambling. Then somebody proved it was a game of skill instead of chance and the ban was lifted. I wonder, if enough girls and their mothers came forward to testify that posing nude was indeed art and harmless fun, even if they were engaging in certain activities while nude, would it change anything?
Most of all I'm waiting for a Where Are They Now of vintage CP, women coming forward to talk about how they're not traumatized, that it was hardly different than playing and posing for any other magazine or acting in any other kinda movie. Too many morons cling to insane assumptions, like how girls have no sexual desires or capabilities before 18 and marriage. Isn't this the future? When will we evolve past antiquated religious guilt/shame/fear/bullshit?
No.29840
>>29838
It will be difficult to find any stories talking about how they enjoyed what they did as kids since no mainstream media outlet would ever allow that to be published. Plus the fact that any woman that claims she enjoyed sexual activity as a child, especially with an adult, would be labeled as being confused/brainwashed/cognitively disconnected from reality and so on…and so on…and son on.
>When will we evolve past antiquated religious guilt/shame/fear/bullshit?
I doubt that day will ever come. I just don't see politicians taking the huge risk of advocating for adult/child sex to be legal.
No.29844
>>29840
I agree, politicians (and sadly most voters) seem to wanna keep us in 1984 forever. Too bad for them technology and our minds are evolving way too quickly. Add the fact that girls are gonna continue to do what they want regardless and it's clear the antis are gonna be hurting the most, missing everything great and dying bitter and unsatisfied.
If OP is still watching this thread, I'm sure we'd all love to hear about what girls enjoyed doing while they were really young, and what sorts of precautions (if any) were taken by guys and gals during shoots.
No.29847
>>29814
Your ass is too poor to do that.
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No.29862
>>29844
The solution is clear then: fire all politicians. Then instead of laws against sex there should only be laws against using force, except in self defense. But then of course everyone would have to be decent and responsible for their own lives.
No.29888
I know it isn't possible, but I would love to talk to your father about his experiences. He had first hand experience of a time and interest that willl soon be lost, and it would be great to record his testimony for posterity
No.29889
I guess, if it isn't too intrusive, I would like to ask him if he had a sexual interest in children before he worked in the business, or whether it was just a job, or whether he developed an interest in children. I envy him.
No.29965
So…..is this thread dead for good now? I was gonna ask what was the craziest shoot he'd ever been involved in, and if possible what were 2nd 3rd 4th 5th, and why?
No.30150
My 2 questions:
1 By which medium were underage performers usually recruited? (eg the school PA system?)
2 Did any minor ever contact/show up at that company wanting to perform but without her legal guardian's permission/knowledge? Would she then be rejected?
No.30155
Good times, huh?
I wish i lived in europe around that time.
No.30158
>>30155
Why? It wasn't as if this was common. It was overlooked while Europe was more concerned with being a pawn in the cold war and had more pressing matters, but this isn't an example of it being accepted by any significant number of people.
No.31630
I just found this thread, and I'd love to hear more recollections from your dad. You don't have to transcribe them or worry about getting them perfect, any sort of ramblings you can remember would be great to hear.
As for questions, he says that most of the people involved were willing to work for very little money, because they were in it for the kiddy sex. Why did your dad work with them for so many years if he didn't seek out the job for the same reason as the others?