No.19621
So /younglove/ is there anywhere in the world that doesn't hate us? I'm not even looking for acceptance (although that would be nice) but a society that at least doesn't see us as monsters who they want dead? It's just kinda depressing, being the bane of society.
No.19622
denmark, the netherlands, belgium
No.19623
>>19622They honestly don't hate us there? May have to go take a foreign language class if that's the case.
No.19624
>>19623Oh they hate you, they just aren't going to lock you up forever.
No.19625
>>19624still better than over in the states.
No.19638
>>19624Yeah, Denmark/Netherlands/Belgium still hates us, but they've generally come to the realization that pedophiles didn't choose to be pedophiles. We are how we are from a young age (if not born that way) just the same as the LGBT community and we can't change that about ourselves just by wishing it were so.
No.19656
>>19622>>19638Really? I'm from Belgium and haven't noticed this.
Although I think the punishments here for people who own CP and for child molestors might be a lot lower than in other countries.
No.19663
Doesn't Germany have that program to cure pedophilia? Maybe it's more like outreach but it doesn't seem like they hate us.
No.19670
>>19663That's what I'm thinking. I mean, even if it's still frowned upon, i think i would prefer being seen as sick then a sadistic monster who wants to hurt little kids.
No.19672
>>19663>>19670Any country that wants to "cure" you is one you should avoid.
No.19673
>>19672It's one step away from the Gas Chambers.
Become "tolerant" of you and offering to "help cure" you so you come out of hiding and into their radar, then they get to treat you like lab rats until something "works".
No.19675
>>19672I think the proper term is rehabilitate, but does it matter?
No.19679
>>19672>>19673That's true. What is it that got gays to become protected and accepted, and how can we use it?
No.19680
>>196791. the gays rioted
2. the gays werent trying to have sex with children
literally the strongest propaganda against the gays were that they were trying to target children, once they fought back against that they started gaining ground.
something pedos cant fight back against because you literally are targeting children.
No.19681
>>19680how about ebenophiles, who aren't attracted to children, but teenagers? Do they have a case?
No.19682
People have a lot of misconceptions about gays and how they got public acception.
Really they have only started getting accepted and viewed as normal by the majority of people in the last decade or two. Yes there had been protests and gay communities and pushes for gay acceptance for a log time, but those did not connect wih the average American. The thing that triggered the change in people's opinions was slowly everyone coming out of the closet. When you have openly gay friends, family, coworkers, and celebrities you like - it's way harder to see them as vile demons or mental patients.
Frankly I think that would solve the issue of he treatment of pedos very quickly if everyone came out of the closet, but naturally it's terrifyig and I certainly am not going to do that and end up ruinin my life
No.19684
>>19682well, that documentary a while back, is every man a pedo or something like that, did open up discussion. My english class was talking about it the other day
No.19685
>>19679We can't because we have different things to consider and contend with. The only way I can ever see positive political or even social progress for pedos/hebes is if children themselves, who are proclaimed to be victims, speak about the pros of pedophilia/hebephilia. We all know that's never going to happen though as children are considered to be dumb, completely ignorant of what they want/how they feel, and completely dependent on their parents or guardians.
It doesn't help that fashion companies and clothing lines that are meant to appeal to children (including Abercrombie, American Eagle, and Victoria's Secret) are catching major amounts of flack for the clothing they've been producing. That's not even to mention the mountain of shit Toddlers & Tiaras has stacked in out path.
Overall there's a lot of things that must be dealt with and a lot of misconceptions that must be dealt with first before we can even attempt to do what the gays did. We're playing a different game.
No.19687
>>19621Honestly, if we ever want an ounce of public acceptance, we need to learn to love and accept ourselves. Not to sound corny here, but so many of us hate ourselves for something that we were born with. We are not horrible people, and we deserve love. (and there are people out there who love you too)
No.19692
>>19681Rejection of hebephiles and ephebophiles is a recent thing. We could certainly regain acceptance.
>>19684We need more like that.
>>19687Goddam straight. Bastards like B4UAct and VirPed are setting us back almost as much as morons like NAMBLA.
No.19695
>>19692>We could certainly regain acceptance.Has there aver been ANY situation where the AoC has been lowered?
I don't care if you think it's counter productive but I love myself and I refuse to love any other pedo without knowing them personally first. 90% of people are garbage, and children don't need garbage people trying to fuck them.
My experience with other pedos so far has been nothing but bunch of autistic weirdos that legitimately don't understand why it's not ok to deceive and ACTUALLY manipulate and molest children.
>there's nothing wrong with bribing a child into giving me a blowjob>there's nothing wrong with insisting over and over and over again until the kid gives in and gives me a blowjob>there's nothing wrong with me pretending that society is totally ok with a kid giving me a blowjobKill all of those people and I'll toss my hat in.
No.19697
>>19695What you're describing is a tiny minority. That minority is just really blatant on these boards when they want to throw out bait.
No.19698
>>19695i admit, I've never met another pedo, but i like to hope that most of us aren't like that.
No.19699
>>19697I really really doubt I am describing a tiny minority, or even a tiny majority for that matter. I'm not just talking about experience with people posting their halfbaked fantasies online.
I would really love to live in a world that knew the difference between love and abuse, but not at the cost of living in a world where real molesters are free to do what they please until it's far too late. I would rather sacrifice any hope of the kind of relationship I'd like than to increase the chance of children being hurt even slightly.
No.19700
>>19699In fact I'm, not even talking about just pedos. EVERYONE is fucking god awful to children. The amount of people I personally know that unironically consider children basically animals that need to be controlled is enough to make me weep. That attitude needs to be dealt with far before we start talking about sex.
No.19702
>>19699Look, i can tell you care a lot about children. But you can't ban all relationships based on what ifs. There are scumbags in every type of relationship, gay, straight, even non romantic ones. My father use to beat me pretty badly. My mom use to tear me apart about my weight, how I was the reason my father was angry all the time, and that i was a "worthless sack of shit". But not all parents are like that either.I don't know, maybe it really is to hard to define the line between love and abuse, but we should at least be able to have an open dialogue without the fear that we will be hung in the streets.
No.19703
>>19687>>19692We shouldn't just accept ourselves, but the others that are in it as well with us. If we are going to be looking for acceptance from others we can't have this infighting going on between exclusives vs. non-exclusives, 9+ vs. 9-, or genuine love for children vs. child fetishists, etc.
Even at this moment, though we all stand under the umbrella of pedophilia, I am positive that we share no views as a majority other than "not all pedophiles are child molesters". However, even that I cannot say with absolute certainty.
No.19704
>>19703There are image issues with some of the more perverted side, so that's why the infighting occurs. Basically the autists need to normal up a bit.
No.19705
>>19702>But you can't ban all relationships based on what ifs.Yes I can. In my my based on what I've seen the benefits of throwing a blanket on it outweigh the negatives.
No.19706
>>19702Though I agree with you about being able to speak freely about it without having to deal with scrutiny (or death threats), the other Anon does have a point. Children are very easy to manipulate - teenagers, just a little bit more difficult.
If the world ever changes to allow adult-child relationships, it would have to be regulated like Hell, either by the parents/guardians of the child or by the government. It'll present even more problems for children in the long run though, I think, such as prostitution, child labor, etc.
We don't live in a nice world.
No.19707
>>19705>>19702>But you can't ban all relationships based on what ifs.In my mind based on what I've seen*
No.19708
>>19704From my experience, it goes deeper than just images. For example, whether grooming should be legal or not is a highly controversial subject, and has never seen an agreement or a compromise.
The grounds on which we all stand in unity is very thin.
No.19709
>>19705Not wanting to legalize it is fine, but we can't pretend something doesn't exist and hope it goes away. You may be entirely right. It may be better the way things are. But it is my hope, above anything else, that if that's the case, we can at least move society to the point where people aren't stigmatized for the rest of their lives, and are able to reach out and seek help.
>>19708Grooming seems icky to me as well. I know germany has a low age of consent, but they put specific provisions in so that people in positions of power over a child (parent, teacher, priest) aren't able to use that power to coerce a child into anything they don't want to do.
No.19710
>>19709>we can at least move society to the point where people aren't stigmatized for the rest of their lives, and are able to reach out and seek help.anything we can do that helps pedos will ultimately help the bad ones.
it would be nice to help out hitchhikers we they need it, but every time you give one the benefit of the doubt you're drastically increasing your chance of getting stabbed in the neck. Ultimately it's better to just prohibit hitchhiking altogether.
No.19711
>>19710How would being able to seek help, do anything to help the worse among us, in anyway but to make them less of a threat to children?
No.19716
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to teach your children that sexuality isn't bad as long as you aren't having sex with them yourself. If you want to see social change that's probably your best bet.
No.19717
>>19716A lot of traffic from /hebe/ is high school kids. All we have to do is keep teaching the younger generation.
No.19719
>>19684>>19692"Are all men pedophiles?"
imdb.com/title/tt2072045/
No.19720
>bane of society
I dont know i like being a big guy for you
No.19721
>>19717I think Id be in highschool if I was American, but Im 16 and from some other threads it seems like theres a few under 18s on this board.
No.19722
>>19721I had to try hard not to do that, and you ruined it.
No.19723
>>19722was meant for
>>19720 No.19734
try the middle east
No.19766
>>19721Yep! Where is 16 not in high school, anyway, cute li'l anon?
No.19768
No.19780
Bolivia probably.
Thier AoC is simply once you hit puberty and they are put up as one of the Happiest countries on the planet.
No.19784
>>19780It's not even in the top 20.
No.19786
>>19780Based as fuck. Add that to the short list of countries to go to if I can get out of shitty USA.
>>19784Neither is America. It's like 43 or some shit.
No.19787
>>19786>Neither is America. It's like 43 or some shit.It's 17.
No.19788
No.19849
>>19788Why are you using statistics from England instead of the UN?
No.19850
>The index is weighted to give progressively higher scores to nations with lower ecological footprints.
And also it's based on hippie shit.
No.19861
>>19680the gay liberation front had semi-open pro-pedo orgs like NAMBLA as alies/members
No.19862
>>19780a Mexican state puts 'puberty' for Bolivia
No.19863
>>19862*puts 'puberty' as their AOC similar to bolivia
No.19875
>>19862Fuckin' excellent. Is it a good area? Would it be a nice place to move to?
No.20029
>>19663>Germany>ex-Nazis wanting to "cure" anyoneOy vey!
No.20122
>>19875I think its a central Mexican state. Forgot the name, I
think the state has a aztec name
No.20197
>>19875>imdb.com/title/tt2072045/don't come Anon, i live here and the country ate least in social tissue its disgusting, only if you had millions of dollars maybe the concept of AoC would not be a problem for the authorities because: fuck it, he has money and pay us for keeping our mouth close. But if you are a poor fuck and catch you just for a small sentimental relationship wit a girl in AoC they are so misserable that they are going to charge you, and make evidence for doing so, with something related to CP "industry"
No.20232
>>19861Yeah. Until the 70s. After that the fags disassociated themselves from the pedos to gain more public acceptance. As far as I'm informed the boylovers are still very angry about that.
No.20959
Afghanistan and some parts of Pakistan doesn't hate you.
Yemen doesn't hate you.
Mohammed doesn't hate you.
The God of the old testament doesn't hate you.
No.25719
Strangely enough, I don't think I've met so much pedo hate as I do on this board.
I've discussed pedophilia with regular people and most have been more liberal than the haters here.
No.25721
Iceland, Finland, Japan and Argentina, in all but Argentina the max for CP is 1-2 years, in Argentina ownership is legal.