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 No.21131

 No.21151

>>21131

>One perspective is that exposure to child pornography promotes criminal sexual intent that otherwise would not exist.

Agreed, this is also the reason why they also fight lolicon and child dolls so hard as well.

It's obvious why they'd think this too. They begin to get slightly aroused at the sight of it too. Cognitive dissonance makes them feel uncomfortable about that. So as a way of self-censorship as well as to protect society from giving in to it. They make it illegal to reduce the visibility of it.

>The promotion may take place via material that legitimizes sexual interest in minors.

Not only is there the belief that it legitimises it, but that it paints it in a positive light. Since it's not all hurtcore crying child obviously hated every second of it. And a laughing child sends the wrong message.

Even more true for lolicon where the fiction nature of it allows for overexaggeration of the positive depiction. Going so far as to depict a child-like character enjoying things that would be reprehensible or impossible in real life.

>Anonymity (or belief that anonymity exists) may further loosen the internal restraints, facilitated by still or moving images, which makes actual criminal sexual behaviour with children more probable

My issue with this is that it's not so far off from the same argument against violence in video games/movies.

On one side they say that violent video games/movies don't lead to increased violent tendencies in real life, but at the same time say it's the opposite for child pornography. I actually agree that they have it right for child pornography and the defense of violent video games is an example of vested interest winning out. The issue is the two extremes. Violent games don't make people violent just reduces the restraint to turn to violence slightly. Just as child pornography reduces the restraint of having sex with a child slightly. But just because that restraint is slightly reduced it doesn't mean you're going to just walk in to your neighbourhood ammunation purchase two sawn off shotguns and go shoot up schoolkids who refuse to have sex with you.

>if the person was already sexually motivated toward children,

Again, the same argument used against violent video games, they were already going to do it, so blaming and banning video games for the action of the few is bad.

>or, by creating new sexual interests in children.

This is the real reason coming back again. They ban it because they realise it's accurate portrayal might cause people to think it's not so bad. and thus have others become curious about their interest in children.

>"among some groups of predisposed individuals, easy access to a wide variety of engrossing and high-quality child pornography could serve as a substitute for involvement with actual victims"

One of the long standing defenses for lolicon shows itself here as well. And it's true for the short-term, keep them busy enough and they won't have time to go after kids in real life, but I doubt it has any long term worth as the novelty wears off.


 No.21152

>>21131

>Longitudinal study

Well, not much surprise there. It would be a real paradox, if molesters had little interest in child pornography. It sounds like they say the same "more likely" points in multiple different ways.

>24% had prior contact sexual offenses

That's a lot lower than people make it out to be. Though, "contact" is a rather broad term so dividing it down how much of that contact is actual penetration? breaking it down even further how much of that contact is forceful/intimidating coercion?

>Mayo Clinic studies

30%-80% is a pretty wide range, and 76% is like the complete opposite of the 24% from before. Why are these figures so different?

I'm glad they at least acknowledged they can't prove that the child pornography is what led them to physical acts.

>Typologies

Those are interesting.

>Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography.

Have any of them showed that following the legalisation and availability that sexual liberation among women also increased?

When pornography becomes readily available, it's not only the men that are aware of it. There needs to be accounting for how it affects women too. Yes, there are some guys who were distracted by the short-term novelty of pornography, but what also of the women? If they see this as a pathway to be less reserved about sex, then it means that more consenting sex happens and thus less rape.

>And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. The findings support the theory that potential sexual offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex crimes against children.

Again, how sure are they that not only is it because of a substitute, but also an increased acceptance of it that reporting decreased?


 No.21156

"Such an effect has been proposed in relation to Denmark during the few years when child pornography was openly and legally available: in that period sex offences against children were significantly lower than either before or after. (5) A similar phenomenon occurred during a period of liberalisation in West Germany, where from 1972 to 1980 the total number of sex crimes known to the police in the Federal Republic of Germany decreased by 11%. (6) Sharpe himself, whose possession of pornography was in contention, made the astute point in an interview that if child pornography led to sexual assaults, then there would have been a huge increase in assaults as a result of the allegedly much greater availability of child porn on the Internet. (7)"

http://www.scireview.de/pj/sexualverbrechen.html

http://www.scireview.de/sexualverbrechen.html

"There is no link between looking at child pornography and sexual abuse of youngsters, a senior police officer told a conference today. Studies have found no correlation between those who download graphic images of youngsters via the internet and child molesters. Dr Stuart Kirby, Detective Chief Superintendent with Lancashire Police, told the International Investigative Psychology Conference: "When you look at all the research that has been done nationally, the consensus is that there has not proven to be a link between the viewing of pornography and the committing of hands-on offences. In a follow-up study by Lancashire Police, that was found to be clearly the case."

http://web.archive.org/web/20080725072444/http://www.xuk.biz/UKLR/Landslide/library/72/nolink.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20080522200538/http://www.xuk.biz/UKLR/Landslide/library/05/dissertation.htm

http://phys.org/news/2010-11-legalizing-child-pornography-linked-sex.html

Legalizing CP lowers the rate of child sex abuse.

(Helms)[64]. In 1999, Diamond and Uchiyama[65] observed that “there are no specific child pornography laws in Japan and SEM [sexually explicit material] depicting minors are readily available and widely consumed. […] Most significantly, despite the wide increase in availability of pornography to children, not only was there a decrease in sex crimes with juveniles as victims but the number of juvenile offenders also decreased significantly”.

http://www.sexarchive.info/GESUND/ARCHIV/GUS/JAPAN.HTM


 No.21157

>>21156

But but but, Underreporting!

I can ignore your argument entirely and claim that the data is skewed because, uh …! Because child porn being legal created a culture where victims did not feel that the society would protect them, so they stayed silent. No amount of statistics can ever make up for the pain of a child being raped by a brutal lolicon fueled monster.

Remember, 1 in 3. If only one child can be saved….


 No.21158

>>21152

>but also an increased acceptance of it that reporting decreased?

Because that circumstance almost certainly pales in the face of the increased awareness in general of the harm of child abuse. More of the population is becoming aware of the significance of child abuse, reporting of child abuse should be going way, way up.

I seriously doubt that the ease of access of child pornography has led to increase even silently in the non-pedo population's approval of adult child sexual contact. If anything, the 80s and early 90s are associated with the rise of pedo hysteria, not of acceptance.


 No.21168

>>21158

There you have the meat of the matter, the increased availability leads to perceived increased acceptance from a governmental point of view. This lead to a lot more individual-level hysteria vigilantism, and that hysteria when duplicated up to a societal level leads to the witch hunt state pedophilia is viewed as today.


 No.21195

A general problem of studies looking for (positive or negative) correlations between pornography and ((child) sexual) abuse is the dark figure. An increase in reported abuse cases may be due to more abuses, or due to more abuses being reported (the actual number staying the same). Likewise, a decrease in reported abuse cases may be due to less abuses, or due to less abuses being reported (their actual number staying the same). The latter is especially interesting when talking about social changes following (child?) porn legalization. It's like Pratchett told us: Legalizing theft decreases the number of according crimes to zero, thus being highly effective.


 No.21198

>>21195

legality of the possession of child pornography is not related to the legality of committing child abuse


 No.21214

>>21195

Exactly.

less abuses reported because of legalisation and more people taking the law into their own hands.


 No.21221

>>21198

And that's a response to >>21195 because of …?


 No.21257

>>21221

>Legalizing theft decreases the number of according crimes to zero, thus being highly effective.

legalizing child porn does not legalize adult-child sexual contact, thus legalizing the possession of cp should have no direct link to the reporting of child abuse


 No.21258

>legalizing child porn does not legalize adult-child sexual contact, thus legalizing the possession of cp should have no direct link to the reporting of child abuse

It would be 1000x1000 times better to marry a young girl than to look at her picture.


 No.21259

>>21258

Cute girls become angst-ridden adolescents rather quickly.


 No.21270

>>21259

If you fill them with cum, perhaps there won't be any room left over for angst.


 No.21274


 No.21275

>>21270

That just leads to more angst.


 No.21276

>>21275

That's why you have to keep filling them with cum.

Every day.


 No.21277

>>21276

But then she will start charging you for it.


 No.21279

>>21277

All females do, in one way or another.


 No.21281

>>21279

Then it's best just to remain chaste.


 No.21285

>>21257

legalising gun possession does not legalise murder, thus legalising the possession of guns should have no direct link to the amount of murders committed by said guns. Yet people are quick to say there is.

legalising violent porn does not legalise rape, thus legalising the possession of porn should have no direct link to the reporting of rape. Yet people are quick to say it reduces it.


 No.21286

>>21285

To make a gun, you don't need to shoot people. To make a porno, you need people to have sex. They aren't equivalent.


 No.21287

>>21285

>Yet people are quick to say there is.

Those people would be wrong and your first sentence is correct.

How about instead of making dubious analogies, we just directly discuss the subject.

Can we do that instead?


 No.21288

>>21286

Since when was the analogy about the making of them?

The keyword was possession.


 No.21290

>>21288

You don't need to shoot people to own a gun either.

Fuck you don't even need to own a gun to shoot people.


 No.21291

>>21288

You can't possess something unless it's made.


 No.21299

>>21291

and if it's already made?


 No.21301

>>21290

>Fuck you don't even need to own a gun to shoot people.

You do need to at least possess one though.


 No.21307

>>21301

keyword was legalizing gun possession

as in legal gun possession

as in ownership


 No.21310

>>21299

If someone was abused, it doesn't matter when it was. With the exception of statue of limitations, but usually that doesn't apply to rape.


 No.21311

>If someone was abused, it doesn't matter when it was. With the exception of statue of limitations, but usually that doesn't apply to rape.

It did a few years ago. Feminists rewrite history fast.

"It was always like this"

Remeber: Rape is not naturally a crime: Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew. Only the respect for whatever women want makes it a crime.


 No.21313

>>21311

Well, it was a crime, just not against the woman. It was considered a crime against her male guardian (her father, brother, or husband, usually).

Obviously there were exceptions. Yahweh encouraged the rape of women from other tribes during war. He just didn't want Hebrews raping Shebrews without marrying them or paying their father.


 No.21314

>>21313

please do not engage the shitposter


 No.21469

>>21313

Our god does not want us having young girls at all.

Atleast the hebrews could marry young girls, and if no one wanted to give them one they could rape a young girl and force the issue.

Good deal.


 No.21511

>>21311

> Remeber: Rape is not naturally a crime: Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew.

>citing the bible to proove what is "naturally a crime"

Leave. Just … leave.




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