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 No.23879

You need to work on honing your arguments. Most of them sound like MUH DICK on a massive scale. Nobody wants to hear or cares about that. You need to explain how this is beneficial to the only people that matter, the kids. Let's do that in this thread.

Protip: you aren't only fighting for pedo acceptance, you're aiming to change society's view of sex entirely. It's the only way anything will change.

Now, this particular btfo could be a good social media image to spread around.

In reference to: http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/

"The kids don’t know what’s going on, and they often enjoy it. They’re not going to resist."

Why should they? And what, pray tell, is going on that needs to be resisted in the first place? Sex?

"Ninety-five percent of sexual abuse victims never seek treatment because of what they falsely assume and fear about sexual abuse. Many of them do not even think they were sexually abused. This is a huge problem."

Then the problem is with your outdated definition of sexual abuse. This is common sense. Oh boy.

"One could argue that your claims could encourage pedophiles — or convince them that what they’re doing isn’t wrong. How do you respond to that?"

''Forcefully! As I hope to have made clear in the book, sexual abuse is never OK. No matter what the circumstances are, or how it impacts the victims (Emphasis mine), sexual abuse is an atrocious, despicable crime. Just because it rarely physically or psychologically damages the child does not mean it is OK. Harmfulness is not the same thing as wrongfulness. And why is it wrong? Because children are incapable of consent."

Actually, no. That's exactly what it means. The fact that something YOU AGREE is perfectly harmless yet treated like a crime, that's the problem. Your almost religious belief that these are always "horrendous crimes", while ignoring the actual results of the so-called crime and testimony of the victim is sick. You're forcing your morality down the throats of children- and they aren't even your kids. You're telling them that something normal, something natural- something which causes no physical or psychological damage whatsoever, is wrong and they should FEEL BAD DAMMIT, Because they were ABUSED! Conveniently, you also want them to come to "therapy" and line your own pockets.

You're fucking them up for life due to doublethink and internal contradictions. If anything, you're the one who's victimizing children. Almost like those who relentlessly crusade against masturbation and marijuana.. oh, wait. You keep using the word "sexual abuse" where none of the signs of true abuse are present, and you know it. "DON'T TOUCH THAT SPECIAL PLACE!!" indeed.

"Children do not understand the meaning or significance of sexual behavior. Adults know this, and thus they are taking advantage of innocent children — using their knowledge to manipulate children into providing sexual pleasure. Sick."

What meaning, and what significance? This is all your opinion, and one that's completely unfounded. Sex = Pleasure and Reproduction. Anything else is little more than a poorly-shaded attempt to push your values on others.

Ah, so finally we come to the real issue: The demonization of sexual pleasure. I'm sorry, but not everybody thinks sex is something to be ashamed of. "Manipulate". "Sick". Why do you only use these words when talking about SEXUAL pleasure and not the pleasure of a hug or game of baseball? You can't answer that question, because you know you're wrong. This isn't about protecting children, it's about protecting your fragile morals. Admit it, you just think it's gross and icky don't you?

You need to be confident and aggressive when replying to obvious bait, while retaining the ability to use softer arguments.

 No.23882

During this stage, you need to relentlessly ridicule and tear down their arguments in the public eye, using both humor and logic. The first is more important than you think, arguments aren't won via logos alone.

> muh can't consent

> marriage is between a man and a woman too, amirite?

or

> "i'm sure you only have sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation"

Remember the "ethics in gaming journalism" meme? It worked, and fucked up #Gamergate bigtime. I know, because I was there when it happened.

Before you ask, no, i'm not a pedo- and I think having sex with kids is absolutely disgusting. However, i've done my own research and come to the conclusion that you guys are morally in the right, even though I don't agree with you. The problem isn't with you, it's with the way society views sex as an inherently sinful thing. You should hammer home the point that that's a judeo-christian moral view not supported by evidence, and it's one that not every culture agrees with.

>Separation of church and state: We can't make laws off of religious judgements.

>In a diverse, multicultural society, it's unfair to prioritize certain minorities over others.

I like rooting for the underdog and defending unpopular opinions just to see where it goes. It doesn't get any more unpopular than you guys.

So, to continue: Never underestimate the power of pointing and laughing.

First, shift the burden of proof. Like so:

"The only issue at play here is whether these relationships cause MASSIVE and IRREVERSIBLE catastrophic psychological damage every single time! It doesn't matter how it's done, what circumstances it was done under, or the amount of violence used, but the very act of sex itself is so vile, so disgusting, so impure that it alone literally destroys children from the inside out, as you claim.

>Do you even realize how stupid this sounds? (Pointing and laughing)

First off, let's admit that there are shitty people out there who will take someone's love and do horrible, unspeakable things to them in return. It's sick, it's disgusting and it's wrong. It should be punished under the full extent of the law. But does it make sense to blame the act itself, rather than the people who commit it?

Unless you can prove something is universally harmful in every single case then you have no standing. In the 21st century (subtle appeal to modernity, implying that the person against it is behind the times), we don't punish people for who they are, but what they do.

It doesn't matter if you think it's wrong, or gross, or icky. Children's rights don't end where your feelings begin, especially if it doesn't involve you. (A meme and good slogan)

If you don't believe this, then maybe you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. Cars regularly kill more people than guns each year, so should we punish the use of cars? No. (Logic)

We punish the people and not the act of driving itself. What's so hard to understand about that?

Even if you want to go the "two consenting adults" route and claim children cannot consent, it still isn't your call. It's not your child, and it's not your job to protect them from the world. Leave that to the families and the children themselves. (Appeal to personal liberty and freedom). In either case, you seem awfully concerned with what people are doing together inside the bedroom". (None of your buisness)

More strategies and arguments coming up.


 No.23883

Part 3: It's about the kids.

This was all better organized earlier, but i'm pretty much making it up as I go along now.

As I said earlier, you need more arguments focusing on not only how adult-child relationships aren't harmful, but actually beneficial to children. That's a different argument, and one that needs more time to develop. I can think of a few good reasons, but they are on very shaky ground, such as

>adults are more experienced at intimacy and can explain it better or

>Less risk of pregnancy or STDs because adults are educated about these things whereas younger people don't care

Feel free to comment with any others you can think of, but I doubt that line of reasoning will bring forth results.

Instead, consider focusing on a concept I like to call "A family's right to choose". This replaces the age of consent and should be far less controversial, therefore more likely to succeed in the short term.

>Only families have the right to decide when children are ready to explore their sexuality. This is a personal choice, and one parents and kids should be open about and discuss together. It's about getting the government out of the bedroom and personal liberty.

In other words, sex is a physical activity with certain dangers. It's true that children cannot consent to sex on their own, but they also can't consent to anything else either. By itself, that's not a good argument. In cases like this, we have "parents" to decide the best course of action and make the final judgement call. Why do we treat sex differently?

>Every child is unique. We all mature at different rates. A one-size fits all age of consent is bad policy and only leads to shattered lives. Wouldn't the people who made the child in the first place be the best ones to decide?

Put the health and safety of children first in all your arguments. If you're serious about wanting to protect children, and don't want to just fuck them (god I hope not or else I will run away from this board screaming), then the transmission of a STD to a minor would be considered a crime equivalent to rape, and negligence on the part of the parent. Any sexual contact with a child by a person who doesn't have the written consent of the parents should be a felony.

You also want to get children themselves to speak up on this issue. The best, and safest way to do this is through Youtube videos encouraging adult survivors of sexual "abuse"

that weren't harmed to come forward and tell their story.


 No.23884

dude you need to learn how to format your ramblings


 No.23885

>>23882

>>23883

This is all really exemplary reasoning. Reading this makes me wish I could contribute, but I really haven't thought much about it. Mainly because I can't see society changing it's view during my lifetime and anytime I see a pedo-rights-movement thread I cringe at how unorganized and ineffectual it usually is.

>>23884

Are you referring to the OP? Because the 2 posts below OP are organized just fine…


 No.23890

>>23885

No they aren't. It's difficult to tell when he's talking to us the audience or to the 'other' person, and OP needs to not double space after finishing every thought. It reads like a stream of consciousness.


 No.23891

>>23885

Op here, and thanks. Don't worry. I actually have a complete plan to get full acceptance in 20 years, and will finish it this week. It's going to be a really long read though, so I want to make sure it's done correctly. After that, it's up to you. Have you read tom o carroll's blog? https://tomocarroll.wordpress.com/2015/06/18/a-less-weird-approach-to-children-and-sex/

>>23890

Point taken. I'm used to more of a blog format, where spaces in between lines aren't as big as they are here.


 No.23910

>>23891

Nobody will allow acceptance ever. None of you can even come out as pedophiles, pedophiles are hated, and kids have guardians. Pedophiles even admit they don't believe in rape, have intense hatred for gays, blacks and women, and are cowards.

Can you show your face, tell the world, approach a child? If no then make 20 years 200 years.


 No.23957

>>23910

maybe some of them, but not all. Stop being a defeatist shill.


 No.23976

>>23957

Waaaaaah it is the truth. Tell your all family,all friends, any strangers, boss etc you fuck kids. Approach a little girl and ask her out or get her to come to your cardboard box to fuck. Make a youtube video talking about your need to fuck kids. Wear a shirt irl saying "i fuck little girls".

If any of that works then 20 years okay. You can't show your face but think everything will be great in 20 years. Fucking stupid and delusional. Reality says pedos are not people in the US. People got mad when a pedo won the lottery. Fucking retarded cunt.


 No.23979

>>23976

You're retarded.


 No.23995

>>23976

Wear a shirt that says "i fuck women" and see how people feel about you.


 No.23996

>>23985

>>23976

can you stop typing like a retard for a second?

With things like project dunkelfeld and more liberals coming out in support of non-offending paedophiles I see paedophiles being treated like paranoid schizophrenics more than animals. Its not perfect but its whats likely to happen.


 No.23998

>>23996

That's a good start, but the argument over harm must be pressed and won. (It already is since the view of sex as inherently evil is a religious one, and legally untenable)

Mere acceptance as a pedo is not a worthy goal.


 No.24022

>>23998

>It already is since the view of sex as inherently evil is a religious one, and legally untenable

People still view sex as inherently harmful, it's just with the gays they say, "we are adults, if we want to hurt ourselves that's our business" and people accept that.


 No.24027

>>23891

> I actually have a complete plan to get full acceptance in 20 years

I like you, OP. And I like your arguments. Care to share more?


 No.24038

>>24027

Thanks, I will finish it today or tomorrow. Right now i'm busy doing research into other peoples' arguments and strengthening my own to deal with the whole "power imbalance" thing.

My current argument is that just as troubling power imbalances exist in the classic teliophililic heterosexual relationship. Most men, if they wanted to could easily overpower their women and have their way with them. The reason they don't is because they know it's wrong and it can get them sent to jail. Doubly so if the man is athletic or a football player with enhanced sex drive.

All relationships involve some level of trust. Insisting that maps (a less-loaded term for pedos) are sadistic beasts who want to tear children apart limb by limb is disingenuous and hateful. Anyone who truly loves their partner would never hurt them, and anyone who does was never a kind person in the first place.

The solution is strengthening the laws on rape.

Most of it is adapted from this article. https://archive.is/n9aPe

This is a must read and spread article if you want to understand how change works.

I'm not exaggerating in any way. Reading this article is not an option, it's a requirement.

I encourage everyone to save the article in a safe place in case it's ever changed or deleted. Even though it has an anti-gay bias, it peels back the curtain. See >>24031


 No.24045

> I think there should be clear legal terms to differentiate sexual abuse that involves touching and no force, and sexual abuse that’s penetrative, and sexual abuse that involves force and violence

Fair enough for me.


 No.24078

>>24045

>differentiate sexual abuse that involves touching and no force

Sexual assault

>and sexual abuse that’s penetrative

Rape

>and sexual abuse that involves force and violence

Aggravated rape


 No.24082

>>24078

In what circumstances would you consider something sexual assault?


 No.24083

>>23996

It's a troll, ignore and filter.


 No.24087

>>24082

Sexual assault is usually defined as non consenting sexual contact, it can also be known as sexual battery, which distinguishes between non specific bodily touching as well as genital touching.




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