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 No.23999

A lot of you don't think equality is possible in your lifetime. Well 30 years ago, gays were almost as universally hated as pedophiles are today. You want to know how that changed?

Hint: People did not just naturally"evolve" on same sex marriage, it took a push in the right direction using tried-and-true social advertising techniques.

This is a very long read and it has an anti-gay bias, but it's required if you want a full understanding of how equality can be acheived within such a short period of time. Ignore the slant and suck in the psychology.

http://www.dijg.de/english/homosexuality-marketing-gay-right-media/

 No.24000

>>23999

Good find anon, will study later.


 No.24002

>>23999

>has an anti-gay bias

Fucking good.

Anyway, really, what the fuck are we going to do? I'm tired of everyone just doing nothing!


 No.24007

>>23999

Well, *70* years ago, what gays went though is PRISICELY what pedos go through today.


 No.24008

>>24002

The first one to charge are the first ones to die. I don't see you out there on the front lines either. We're all cowards. You have to be, at least a little bit if you want to remain in the toybox for very long.


 No.24009

>>24008

It's not about making the charge it's about mingling. You're not on a soapbox, you're networking. You start with the people least likely to kill you and build acceptance from there.


 No.24011

>>23999

>implying fags wont shoot down our attempts to shut up slippery slope critics


 No.24013

>>24008

This is where I prove you dead wrong.

>>>/phile/3030


 No.24020

>>24009

If you consider the only place where people are openly pedophiles, prison, we know the only people who accept pedophiles are other pedophiles.

>>24013

Look at those brave people who post no personal information whatsoever.


 No.24031

>>24002

We start coming out, in massive numbers on the same day and at the same time. (And make youtube videos of it) We can exert the most force online, so that is where the majority of initial effort will be placed - raising awareness.

If any of you have families and children, don't come out but become a "sex-positive parent" who vocally supports the right for children to explore their sexuality. Also stand in favor of "a family's right to choose" when their child is ready for sex in lieu of abolishing the AoC entirely. This gets government out of the bedroom and maximizes liberty.

In order to progress you need to disprove the notion that parents universally think relationships like the ones you want are harmful. After you get to that point, it becomes a simple matter of reiterating that forcing a form of religious belief (sex is evil) on others is wrong.

Eventually, sex-negative parents will be viewed the same way we view helicopter moms or anti-vaxxers.

>>24011

Then we shut them up by reminding them that we were there every step of the way until the 1980s, when the rise of the religious right forced them to drop us for political expediency.

We wore the pink triangles. We took a number and stood in line at Auschwitz. We burned together in the fiery hell of the holocaust.

And their hero, Alfred Kinsey is on our side. Tell them that they have a right to be hypocritical bigots, but they need to at least be educated.


 No.24033

>>24031

>Also stand in favor of "a family's right to choose" when their child is ready for sex in lieu of abolishing the AoC entirely

Except no boyfriend ever consults the parents first before deciding to have sex with a girl so that isn't practical.


 No.24035

Everyone here needs to read this article. If it's too long, then break it into 30-minute reading sessions. This is fucking important.

Archived in case it's changed or deleted. I also encourage everyone to copy the article and save it in a safe place. https://archive.is/n9aPe


 No.24036

>>24033

Maybe so, but I would consider a case where a boyfriend takes a child's virginity away without consulting the parents a case of rape. That might help get more people on our side.


 No.24037

>>24036

*sorry, any partner doesn't have to be just a boy.


 No.24040

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>>24031

>mentions that they dropped us

>still thinks they have our back

Homosexuals are hedonistic degenerates who sought out "rights" purely for the newest cheap thrill, they seldom form proper family units, it's just sex to them, not love.

The progressives who support them are fools looking for attention and acceptance amongst their peers. If LGBT shit didn't become memetic enough to be the coolest new fad on the block, the vain pop culture demographic would never have caught on and sealed the deal.

The bigshots that backed this intended to find a new way to silence opposition and create political sway out of nothing. Gay rights became an issue out of nothing, an entirely new topic to focus on that could be used to gather votes/consumers. And all the while being the paraphilia with the least effect on traditionalist cultures that are exempt from political correctness.

They can't benefit from us, and so they won't help us.


 No.24069

>>24040

I don't really think you need their help, they only need to not get in the way.


 No.24073

Hmmm. I have a lot I want to say about this, and about how our situation is fundamentally different from the gays, but I'll have to take some time to do it….

>>24013

How does that prove me wrong? I never said that you couldn't make a podcast. Now that said, that's one cringe-worthy podcast. Ten minutes in and I'm already annoyed at the hosts. Never-the-less

>>24031

>We start coming out, in massive numbers on the same day and at the same time.

Definitely not doing that with you.


 No.24074

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>>24013

Oh! You're reading a post I made now! I'm happy!


 No.24075

>>24013

And it was no good. Too much thread reading (learn how to read). Underageb& needs to stop crushing loli's dreams by trying to tell her to be a meteorologist just because he wanted to be one. Chris Hanson did not betray us, that's retarded; he was never on our side to begin with. Don't call me a map, B4UACT closet-normie. It's pronounced lah-lee, because fuck Japan, and it's peh-do, because fuck Britain. Only pretentious faggots say `pee-do'.


 No.24079

>>24073

You're right: The situation is a bit more complicated, in that you need parents to be supportive of maps/kind people whereas gay people didn't require those prerequisites.

Sex positive parenting:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lea-grover/this-is-what-sex-positive-parenting-really-looks-like_b_5516707.html

https://sexpositiveparenting.wordpress.com/

http://www.awakeparent.com/Shelly/sex-positive-parenting/

The foundation is already laid by those who removed the color and gender barriers to love a long time ago (age is all that's left), which is why things will change very quickly.

In order to degrade, defeat and ultimately destroy pedophobia you must understand the source of it. It isn't that hard- Society views sex as inherently harmful, and adults who want to have relationships with kids trigger parent's natural protective instincts, along with jealousy.

It's already been shown that sex is not harmful, so the next step is proving that you are not only interested in sex, but have children's best interests at heart in the entire social complex.

You can do this by publicly taking a stand against (actual) child abuse/sex trafficking, divorce, and other issues that effect kids. If you do come out, de-emphasize sex and focus on all the other things that make children special. Reading a book, playing video games, enjoying a meal together etc..

One similarity you may be overlooking is how society universally detest(ed) the sex act in both cases.


 No.24080

>>24075

>It's pronounced lah-lee, because fuck Japan

Are you joking? First of all, it's Spanish, not Japanese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_%28given_name%29

Second, you wouldn't pronounce lola lah lah, so why would you pronounce loli lah lee?


 No.24081

>>24075

You may or may not be trolling, but I still want to adress:

>> Don't call me a map, B4UACT closet-normies

He who controls language literally controls the debate. It's not just semantics. Why do you think the SJW are so insistent you use transpeople's preferred pronouns?

The current strategy is an attempt to reclaim the word "pedophile" and distinguish it from child molester. This is a mistake for many reasons, most of which is the irredeemable social reputation of the word. It's also too focused on sexual attraction and sounds like a disease to the average citizen.

I agree that "map" as a term is pretty stupid. Kind could work. It has a positive connotation, it's shorter and one syllable. A kind person listens to what children have to say and doesn't want to take advantage of them.

Also,

>"I'm a pedophile, dad" vs.

> "I'm map, dad" vs

> "I'm kind, dad".

Which would parents react better to?


 No.24084

>>24081

When people hear map, they think the thing you have in your glove box. You would then have to explain what you mean, which you naturally prompt the response of, "oh, you mean pedophile."


 No.24085

>>24020

Right, because it would make so much sense to do that.

>>24081

>>24084

How the fuck are you going to make that catch on, fags. The self-hater groups are way more organized than we are, so either find a way to match and beat them, or just fucking take what you can get from them.


 No.24114

>>24084

At that point, you need to counter by throwing the old term under the bus and claiming it's offensive.

>>24085

Not for long. The first step is getting a reddit and voat page set up to raise awareness.


 No.24115

>>24081

Etymology of "kind" explained and guidelines for use, if anyone asks:

Kind is a shortened form of "kinder", the german word for children. It is pronounced like the kind in kindergarden when in plural, otherwise you can say it the normal way.


 No.24117

>>24114

That only works if the person you are talking to cares about not being offensive.


 No.24120

>>24114

Are we supposed be offended by pedophile? Why? We are pedophiles. "Monster" or "rapist" is what we're called when people mean offense, and is much more hurtful.


 No.24121

Pact's also need to pick up this book, detailing the struggle for activists to proctect intersex people from genital mutilation.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/372/dp/1594206082/

I may speak more about this once I've finished it myself, and perhaps spoken to a few people.


 No.24131

>>24121

By all means! But it looks like people aren't reading the article so I have to post parts of their strategy piece by piece.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/gay_strategies/overhauling.html

>The following article (below) titled "The Overhauling of Straight America'' was written by Marshall K. Kirk and Erastes Pill and appeared in Guide Magazine, a homosexual publication, in November 1987.

>This landmark article has become a "bible" of the homosexual movement, and has since been widely re-published on the Internet and elsewhere. It outlines strategies and techniques for a successful widespread propaganda campaign to confuse and deceive the American people and demonize opponents. Like all propaganda, their methods are based not on solid intellectual arguments, but instead upon emotional manipulation of the public in an attempt to gain widespread sympathy and approval for homosexual behavior.

>As you read this, keep in mind that it was written in 1987 – over two decades ago – and look around to see how far the homosexual movement has gotten using these techniques.


 No.24132

>>24131

>The Overhauling of Straight America

by Marshall K. Kirk and Erastes Pill

>The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights. To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preference the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games: she likes strawberry and I like vanilla; he follows baseball and I follow football. No big deal.

>At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more.

We do not need and cannot expect a full "appreciation" or "understanding" of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders, then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won. And to get to shoulder-shrug stage, gays as a class must cease to appear mysterious, alien, loathsome and contrary. A large-scale media campaign will be required in order to change the image of gays in America.

>And any campaign to accomplish this turnaround should do six things.

>STEP 1: TALK ABOUT GAYS AND GAYNESS AS LOUDLY AND AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.

>The principle behind this advice is simple: almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances. The acceptability of the new behavior will ultimately hinge on the number of one's fellows doing it or accepting it. One may be offended by its novelty at first– many, in times past, were momentarily scandalized by "streaking,'' eating goldfish, and premarital sex. But as long as Joe Six-pack feels little pressure to perform likewise, and as long as the behavior in question presents little threat to his physical and financial security, he soon gets used to it and life goes on. The skeptic may still shake his head and think "people arc crazy these days," but over time his objections are likely to become more reflective, more philosophical, less emotional.

>The way to benumb raw sensitivities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way. Open and frank talk makes the subject seem less furtive, alien, and sinful, more above-board. Constant talk builds the impression that public opinion is at least divided on the subject, and that a sizable segment accepts or even practices homosexuality. Even rancorous debates between opponents and defenders serve the purpose of desensitization so long as "respectable" gays are front and center to make their own pitch. The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome.

>And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent–only later his unsightly derriere!


 No.24134

>>24132

So basically, talk about your sexual orientation in a neutral or mildly approving way (without revealing yourselves) such as

"It's not my job to judge other people for what they do in the bedroom".

"While I don't agree with them I can't see any real reason to be against it".

"Can we stop talking about this already?'

"Meh, it's none of my business what you're into"

and so on..


 No.24135

>>24134

>Where we talk is important. The visual media, film and television, are plainly the most powerful image-makers in Western civilization. The average American household watches over seven hours of TV daily. Those hours open up a gateway into the private world of straights, through which a Trojan horse might be passed. As far as desensitization is concerned, the medium is the message– of normalcy. So far, gay Hollywood has provided our best covert weapon in the battle to desensitize the mainstream. Bit by bit over the past ten years, gay characters and gay themes have been introduced into TV programs and films (though often this has been done to achieve comedic and ridiculous affects). On the whole the impact has been encouraging. The prime-time presentation of Consenting Adults on a major network in 1985 is but one high-water mark in favorable media exposure of gay issues. But this should be just the beginning of a major publicity blitz by gay America.

>Would a desensitizing campaign of open and sustained talk about gay issues reach every rabid opponent of homosexuality? Of course not. While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science & Public Opinion (the shield and sword of that accursed "secular humanism"). Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here.


 No.24136

>>24135

Choose your battles. Talk online and use media such as reddit, youtube and articles in news comments to get your message out. Once you have the numbers, begin major email campaigns for positive representation in media.

Even a "celibate" kind character would be a step up from what we have today.


 No.24137

>>24135

STEP 2: PORTRAY GAYS AS VICTIMS, NOT AS AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS.

>In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector. If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our "gay pride" publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image. And we must walk the fine line between impressing straights with our great numbers, on the one hand, and sparking their hostile paranoia–"They are all around us!"–on the other.

>A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream's sense of threat, which lower it's guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that jaunty mustachioed musclemen would keep very low profile in gay commercials and other public presentations, while sympathetic figures of nice young people, old people, and attractive women would be featured. (It almost goes without saying that groups on the farthest margin of acceptability such as NAMBLA, [Ed note – North American Man-Boy Love Association] must play no part at all in such a campaign: suspected child-molesters will never look like victims.)

Now you can see why they kicked you out.

>Now, there are two different messages about the Gay Victim that are worth communicating. First, the mainstream should be told that gays are victims of fate, in the sense that most never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. The message must read: "As far as gays can tell, they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual or white or black or bright or athletic. Nobody ever tricked or seduced them; they never made a choice, and are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn't willfully contrary - it's only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you!"

>Straight viewers must be able to identify with gays as victims. Mr. and Mrs. Public must be given no extra excuses to say, "they are not like us." To this end, the persons featured in the public campaign should be decent and upright, appealing and admirable by straight standards, completely unexceptionable in appearance–in a word, they should be indistinguishable from the straights we would like to reach. (To return to the terms we have used in previous articles, spokesmen for our cause must be R-type "straight gays" rather than Q-type "homosexuals on display.") Only under such conditions will the message be read correctly: "These folks are victims of a fate that could have happened to me."

>By the way, we realize that many gays will question an advertising technique, which might threaten to make homosexuality look like some dreadful disease, which strikes fated "victims". But the plain fact is that the gay community is weak and must manipulate the powers of the weak, including the play for sympathy. In any case, we compensate for the negative aspect of this gay victim appeal under Principle 4. (Below)

>The second message would portray gays as victims of society. The straight majority does not recognize the suffering it brings to the lives of gays and must be shown: graphic pictures of brutalized gays; dramatizations of job and housing insecurity, loss of child custody, and public humiliation: and the dismal list goes on.


 No.24138

>>24137

This strategy needs some tweaking for your purposes. You must first use the sex-positive parent gambit to disprove the idea that all parents think you are freaks, then go the child welfare route as listed above. Thought process should go something like this:

Prove you are upstanding citizens that take children seriously, people with hopes and dreams and the rest will fall into place. Eventually the internal contradictions will overwhelm the antis.

>"I thought kinds were only interested in sex?"

to

>"But everything else they do seems to show they have the safety and welfare of children in mind!"

to

>"Maybe they have a point- maybe sex isn't inherently evil or dangerous to a child's mental wellbeing, and can in fact be beneficial!".


 No.24139

>>24138

STEP 3: GIVE PROTECTORS A JUST CAUSE.

>A media campaign that casts gays as society's victims and encourages straights to be their protectors must make it easier for those to respond to assert and explain their new protectiveness. Few straight women, and even fewer straight men, will want to defend homosexuality boldly as such. Most would rather attach their awakened protective impulse to some principle of justice or law, to some general desire for consistent and fair treatment in society. Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme. The right to free speech, freedom of beliefs, freedom of association, due process and equal protection of laws-these should be the concerns brought to mind by our campaign.

>It is especially important for the gay movement to hitch its cause to accepted standards of law and justice because its straight supporters must have at hand a cogent reply to the moral arguments of its enemies. The homophobes clothe their emotional revulsion in the daunting robes of religious dogma, so defenders of gay rights must be ready to counter dogma with principle.

The just cause is a family's right to choose and giving equal human dignity to everyone.

>The criminalization of child sexuality deprives children of their humanity and limits their pursuit of happiness.

STEP 4: MAKE GAYS LOOK GOOD.

>In order to make a Gay Victim sympathetic to straights you have to portray him as Everyman. But an additional theme of the campaign should be more aggressive and upbeat: to offset the increasingly bad press that these times have brought to homosexual men and women, the campaign should paint gays as superior pillars of society. Yes, yes, we know–this trick is so old it creaks. Other minorities use it all the time in ads that announce proudly, "Did you know that this Great Man (or Woman) was _____?" But the message is vital for all those straights who still picture gays as "queer" people– shadowy, lonesome, fail, drunken, suicidal, child- snatching misfits.

>The honor roll of prominent gay or bisexual men and women is truly eyepopping. From Socrates to Shakespeare, from Alexander the Great to Alexander Hamilton, from Michelangelo to Walt Whitman, from Sappho to Gertrude Stein, the list is old hat to us but shocking news to heterosexual America. In no time, a skillful and clever media campaign could have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother to Western Civilization.

For your purposes, anyone who had a romantic interest in someone under the age of 18 will be considered a kind person.

>Along the same lines, we shouldn't overlook the Celebrity Endorsement. The celebrities can be straight (God bless you, Ed Asner, wherever you are) or gay.

STEP 5: MAKE THE VICTIMIZERS LOOK BAD.

>At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights-long after other gay ads have become commonplace-it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified. (This will be all the more necessary because, by that time, the entrenched enemy will have quadrupled its output of vitriol and disinformation.) Our goal is here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream's self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the antigays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types.

>The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include: the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated; bigoted southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred to a degree that looks both comical and deranged; menacing punks, thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the "fags" they have killed or would like to kill; a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed.

>A campaign to vilify the victimizers is going to enrage our most fervid enemies, of course. But what else can we say? The shoe fits, and we should make them try it on for size, with all of America watching.

Anti- Pedo LGBT people should be the first targets of this campaign because they are raging hypocrites. Next may be overprotective parents.


 No.24140

>>24139

Is it OK if I stop using greentext?

<beginquote>

STEP 6: SOLICIT FUNDS: THE BUCK STOPS HERE

Any massive campaign of this kind would require unprecedented expenditures for months or even years–an unprecedented fundraising drive.

Effective advertising is a costly proposition: several million dollars would get the ball rolling. There are 10-15 million primarily homosexual adults in this country: if each one of them donated just two dollars to the campaign, its war chest would actually rival that of its most vocal enemies. And because those gays not supporting families usually have more discretionary income than average, they could afford to contribute much more.

But would they? Or is the gay community as feckless, selfish, uncommitted, and short-sighted as its critics claim? (Sound familiar?) We will never know unless the new campaign simultaneously launches a concerted nationwide appeal for funding support from both known and anonymous donors. The appeal should be directed both at gays and at straights who care about social justice.

In the beginning, for reasons to be explained in a moment, the appeal for funds may have to be launched exclusively through the gay press–national magazines, local newspapers, flyers at bars, notices in glossy skin magazines. Funds could also come through the outreach of local gay organizations on campuses and in metropolitan areas. Eventually, donations would be solicited directly alongside advertisements in the major straight media.

There would be no parallel to such an effort in the history of the gay community in America. If it failed to generate the needed capital to get started; there would be little hope for the campaign and l little hope for major progress toward gay rights in the near future. For the moment let us suppose that gays could see how donations would greatly serve their long-term interest, and that sufficient funds could be raised. An heroic assumption.

</quote>


 No.24144

>>24140

GETTING ON THE AIR, OR, YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE.

Without access to TV, radio, and the mainstream press, there will be no campaign. This is a tricky problem, became many impresarios of the media simply refuse to accept what they call "issue-advertising" – persuasive advertising can provoke a storm of resentment from the public and from sponsors, which is bad for business. The courts have confirmed the broadcaster's right to refuse any "issue advertising" he dislikes.

What exactly constitutes "issue advertising"? It evidently does not include platitudinous appeals to the virtues of family unity (courtesy of the Mormons) neither does it include tirades against perfidious Albion courtesy of Lyndon LaRouche); neither does it include reminders that a Mind-Is-a Terrible Thing to Waste (courtesy of the United Negro College Fund); neither does it include religious shows which condemn gay "sinners"; neither does it include condemnations of nuclear war or race discrimination–at least not in Massachusetts. Some guys get all the breaks.

What issue advertising does include these days is almost any communiqué presented openly by a homosexual organization. The words "gay" and "homosexual"' are considered controversial whenever they appear.

Because most straightforward appeals are impossible, the National Gay Task Force has had to cultivate quiet backroom liaisons with broadcast companies and newsrooms in order to make sure that issues important to the gay community receive some coverage; but such an arrangement is hardly ideal, of course, because it means that the gay community's image is controlled by the latest news event instead of by careful design–and recently most of the news about gays has been negative.

So what can be done to crash the gates of the major media? Several things, advanced in several stages.

START WITH THE FINE PRINT

Newspapers and magazines may very well be hungrier for gay advertising dollars than television and radio arc. And the cost of ads in print is generally lower. But remember that the press, for the most part, is only read by better-educated Americans, many of who are already more accepting of homosexuality in any case. So to get more impact for our dollars, we should skip the New Republic and New Left Review readers and head for Time, People, and the National Enquirer. (Of course, the gay community may have to establish itself as a regular advertising presence in more sophisticated forums first before it is accepted into the mass press.)

While we're storming the battlements with salvos of ink, we should also warm the mainstream up a bit with a subtle national campaign on highway billboards. In simple bold print on dark backgrounds, a series of unobjectionable messages should be introduced:

IN RUSSIA, THEY TELL YOU

WHAT TO BE. IN AMERICA

WE HAVE THE FREEDOM

TO BE OURSELVES…

AND TO BE THE BEST.

Or

PEOPLE HELPING INSTEAD

OF HATING–THAT'S

WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT.

And so on. Each sign will tap patriotic sentiment, each message will drill a seemingly agreeable proposition into mainstream heads - a "public service message" suited to our purposes. And, if their owners will permit it, each billboard will be signed, in slightly smaller letters, "Courtesy of the National Gay Task Force" - to build positive associations and get the public used to seeing such sponsorship.


 No.24145

>>24144

VISUAL STAGE 1: YOU REALLY OUGHTTA BE IN PICTURES

As for television and radio, a more elaborate plan may be needed to break the ice. For openers, naturally, we must continue to encourage the appearance of favorable gay characters in films and TV shows. Daytime talk shows also remain a useful avenue for exposure.

But to speed things up we might consider a bold stratagem to gain media attention. The scheme we have in mind would require careful preparations, yet it would save expense even while it elevated the visibility and stature of the gay movement overnight.

Well before the next elections for national office, we might lay careful plans to run symbolic gay candidates for every high political office in this country. (Such plans would have to deal somehow with the tricky problem of inducing gays and straights to sign enough endorsement petitions to get us on the ballot.) Our 50- 250 candidates would participate in such debates as they could, run gay-themed advertisements coordinated at our national headquarters, and demand equal time on the air. They could then graciously pull out of the races before the actual elections, while formally endorsing more viable straight contenders. (With malicious humor, perhaps, in some states we could endorse our most rabid opponents.) It is essential not to ask people actually to vote Yea or Nay on the gay issue at this early stage: such action would end up committing most to the Nay position and would only tally huge and visible defeats for our cause.

Through such a political campaign, the mainstream would get over the initial shock of seeing gay ads, and the acceptability of such ads would be fortified by the most creditable context possible; and all this would be accomplished before non-electoral advertising was attempted by the gay community. During the campaign all hell would break loose, but if we behaved courageously and respectable our drive would gain legitimacy in and case and might even become a cause celebre. If all went as planned, the somewhat desensitized public and the major networks themselves would be 'readied for the next step of our program.

VISUAL STAGE 2: PEEKABOO ADVERTISING

At this point the gay community has its foot in the door, and it is time to ask the networks to accept gay sponsorship of certain ads and shows. Timing is critical: The request must be made immediately after our national political ads disappear. Failing that, we should request sponsorship the next time one of the networks struts its broad-mindedness by televising a film or show with gay characters or themes. If they wish to look consistent instead of hypocritical, we'll have them on the spot.

But the networks would still be forced to say No unless we made their resistance look patently unreasonable, and possibly illegal. We'd do just that by proposing "gay ads" patterned exactly after those currently sponsored by the Mormons and others. As usual, viewers would be treated to squeak-clean skits on the importance of family harmony and understanding –this time the narrator would end by saying, "This message was brought to you by –the National Gay Task Force." All very quiet and subdued. Remember: exposure is everything, and the medium is the message.

The gay community should join forces with other civil liberties groups of respectable cast to promote bland messages about America the Melting Pot, always ending with an explicit reference to the Task Force of some other gay organization. Making the best of a bad situation, we can also propose sympathetic media appeals for gifts and donations to fund AIDS research–if Jerry Lewis and the March of Dimes can do it, so can we. Our next indirect step will be to advertise locally on behalf of support groups peripheral to the gay community: frowzy straight moms and dads announcing phone numbers and meeting times for "Parents of Gays" or similar gatherings. Can't you just see such ads now, presented between messages from the Disabled Vets and the Postal Workers Union?


 No.24146

>>24145

holy shit this is longer than I thought


 No.24147

>>24146

Here are various kinds of ads.

VISUAL STAGE 3: ROLL OUT THE BIG GUNS

By this point, our salami tactics will have carved out, slice by slice, a large portion of access to the mainstream media. So what then? It would finally be time to bring gay ads out of the closet. The messages of such ads should directly address lingering public fears about homosexuals as loathsome and contrary aliens. For examples, the following are possible formats for TV or radio commercials designed to chip away at chronic misperceptions.

Format A - for Familiarization: The Testimonial.

To make gays seem less mysterious, present a series of short spots featuring the boy-or girl-next-door, fresh and appealing, or warm and lovable grandma grandpa types. Seated in homey surroundings, they respond to an off camera interviewer with assurance, good nature, and charm. Their comments bring out three social facts:

There is someone special in their life, a long-term relationship (to stress gay stability, monogamy, commitment);

Their families are very important to them, and are supportive of them (to stress that gays are not "anti-family," and that families need not be anti-gay.)

As far as they can remember they have always been gay, and were probably born gay; they certainly never decided on a preference one way or the other (stressing that gays are doing what is natural for them, and are not being willfully contrary). The subjects should be interviewed alone, not with their lovers or children, for to include others in the picture would unwisely raise disturbing questions about the complexities of gay social relations, which these commercials could not explain. It is best instead to take one thing at a time.

Format B - for Positive Associations: The Celebrity Spot.

While it might be useful to present celebrity endorsements by currently popular gay figures and straight sympathizers (Johnny Mathis? Marlo Thomas?), the homophobia climate of America would make such brash endorsements unlikely in the near future. So early celebrity spots will instead identify historical gay or bisexual personalities who are illustrious and dignified…and dead. The ads could be sardonic and indirect. For example, over regal music and a portrait or two, a narrator might announce simply: Michelangelo (an art class), Tchaikovsky (a music class), Tennessee Williams (a drama class), etc.

Format C - for Victim Sympathy: Our Campaign to Stop Child Abuse.

As we said earlier, there are many ways to portray gays as victims of discrimination: images of brutality, tales of job loss and family separation, and so on. But we think something like the following 30-sccond commercials would get to the heart of the matter best of all.

The camera slowly moves in on a middle-class teenager, sitting alone in his semi-darkened bedroom. The boy is pleasing and unexceptional in appearance, except that he has been roughed up and is staring silently, pensively, with evident distress. As the camera gradually focuses in on his face, a narrator comments: It will happen to one in every ten sons. As he grows up he will realize that he feels differently about things than most of his friends. If he lets it show, he'll be an outsider made fun of, humiliated, attacked. If he confides in his parents, they may throw him out of the house, onto the streets. Some will say he is "anti- family." Nobody will let him be himself. So he will have to hide. From his friends, his family. And that's hard. It's tough enough to be a kid these days, but to be the one in ten… A message from the National Gay Task Force.

What is nice about such an ad is that it would economically portray gays as innocent and vulnerable, victimized and misunderstood, surprisingly numerous yet not menacing. It also renders the "anti-family" charge absurd and hypocritical.


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 No.24149

Format D - for Identification with Victims: The Old Switcheroo.

The mainstream will identify better with the plight of gays if straights can, once in a while, walk a mile in gay shoes. A humorous television or radio ad to help them do this might involve a brief animated or dramatized scenario, as follows.

The camera approaches the mighty oak door of the boss's office, which swings open, and the camera (which represents you the viewer) enters the room. Behind the oversized desk sits a fat and scowling old curmudgeon chomping on a cigar. He looks up at the camera (i.e. at the viewer) and snarls, " So it's you, Smithers. Well you're fired!" The voice of a younger man is heard to reply with astonishment, "But–but–Mr. Thomburg, I've been with your company for ten years. I thought you liked my work." The boss responds, with a tone of disgust, "Yes, yes, Smithers your work is quite adequate. But I've heard rumors that you've been seen around town with some kind of girlfriend. A girlfriend! Frankly I'm shocked. We're not about to start hiring any heterosexuals in this company. Now get out." The younger man speaks once more: "But boss, that's just not fair! What if it were you?" The boss glowers back as the camera pulls quickly out of the room and the big door slams shut. Printed on the door: "A message from the National Gay Task Force."

One can easily imagine similar episodes involving housing or other discrimination.

Format E - for Vilification of Victimizers: Damn the Torpedoes.

We have already indicated some of the images which might be damaging to the homophobic vendetta: ranting and hateful religious extremists neo-Nazis, and Ku Klux Klansmen made to look evil and ridiculous (hardly a difficult task).

These images should be combined with those of their gay victims by a method propagandists call the "bracket technique." For example, for a few seconds an unctuous beady-eyed Southern preacher is seen pounding the pulpit in rage about "those sick, abominable creatures." While his tirade continues over the soundtrack, the picture switches to pathetic photos of gays who look decent, harmless, and likable; and then we cut back to the poisonous face of the preacher, and so forth. The contrast speaks for itself. The effect is devastating.

Format F - for Funds: SOS

Alongside or during these other persuasive advertisements, we would have to solicit donations so that the campaign might continue. Direct appeals from celebrities (preferable living ones, thank you) might be useful here. All appeals must stress that money can be given anonymously (e.g. via money orders) and that all donations are confidential. "We can't help unless you help," and all that.


 No.24150

>>24149

We're almost there guys, and I have some ideas for ads of all these types.

The Time Is Now

We have sketched out here a blueprint for transforming the social values of straight America. At the core of our program is a media campaign to change the way the average citizens view homosexuality. It is quite easy to find fault with such a campaign. We have tried to be practical and specific here, but the proposals may still have a visionary sheen.

There are one hundred reasons why the campaign could not be done or would be risky. But there are at least 20 million good reasons why some such program must be tried in the coming years: the welfare and happiness of every gay man and woman in this country demand it. As the last large, legally oppressed minority in American society, it is high time that gays took effective measures to rejoin the mainstream in pride and strength. We believe that, like it or not, such a campaign is the only way of doing so anytime soon.

And, let us repeat, time may be running out. The AIDS epidemic is sparking anger and fear in the heartland of straight America. As the virus leaks out of homosexual circles and into the rest of society, we need have no illusions about who is receiving the blame. The ten years ahead may decide for the next forty whether gays claim their liberty and equality or are driven back, once again, as America's caste of detested untouchables. It's more than a quip: speak now or forever hold your peace.

_____

Two years after "The Overhauling of Straight America" appeared, the book "After the Ball – How America will conquer its fear and hatred of Gays in the 1990's", by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, was published. After the Ball expanded on these ideas, largely from the standpoint of psychological manipulation and persuasion tactics of Americans toward the homosexual cause, complete with sample print ads to use, as well as suggestions for radio and TV spots.


 No.24152

>>24147

Format A:

Make it funny. I could see a humorous spot where someone looks out the window at an ice cream truck wistfully talking about childhood and how it brings out the best in all of our lives.

Alternatively, a spot could be more abrupt and say "I'm a pedophile". (Zooms in). "I loooove children" (in a somewhat creepy voice, then back to normal as the camera jumps out.

I love to play video games, read stories with them, go fishing and build awesome things together. It was never just about sex". Fades to the title card "Children bring out the best in all of us. Learn the truth at whateversite.com".

The goal is to make the person look less menacing and more immature/nonthreatening. This appeals to the notion of a child inside.

Format B

What he said. Use historical personalities for now.

Format C

This is a good way to do it, but only if you could find a teenager willing to participate. Most of the ads will need to use artwork, not real people.


 No.24153

>>24148

If you want to know what the first step is, it's starting a subreddit and subverse on voat to get organized. Reddit is needed for growth, but the purpose of this seed subreddit would be similar to SRS: calling out pedophobic comments on the website. (Yes, this will cause drama at first but that's the point.)

A network of subreddits would serve different purposes and be strictly moderated to prevent an overrun of antis. Some would be restricted to certain people, while others would be about education, debate or constructive discussion. Still others would be kind-friendly forks of other subreddits just to raise awareness (not expecting any to take off.)

Absolutely no images should be shared in any of them.

These subreddits allow you to grow and raise awareness so that you can get enough people to publicly come out on the same day.

Reddit will allow you to stay up as long as you don't brigade other subreddits, they even host coontown.

The next step is compiling a website with information and articles you can use to support your arguments/quickly link to in debate. Infographics, videos, research studies, testimonials, blogposts etc

They're out there, they just need to be organized for easy redpilling.


 No.24154

>>24153

On reddit, keep your account fresh. Constantly make backups and new accounts so that your name never becomes "notorious" as a pedo defender. I know the temptation to karmawhore is there, but don't do it. When you make a primary account, make 2 other backups and leave them to "age".

Participate in other subreddits as a normal member of the community, you aren't a billboard. Less than 10% of your comments should be about kind acceptance.


 No.24156

>>24153

>>24154

Better yet, don't make a subreddit for pedophobia at all. Instead, make one to call out internet tough guys, and just be sure to set the tone and keep the focus on the hidden objective by making sure that anti-pedo posts are the majority (but not totality). If you can't find enough to make it the majority, the make some anti-pedo posts, just make sure that you aren't a retard and make it obvious.


 No.24160

>>24156

This is a good idea. I want it to be a lot like SRS in that regard, so any name ideas?

I also think playing both sides is a nice plan. You can argue against yourself and be the reasonable kind or the uber-bigot who spews nonsense about how all sex is rape and pedos should be lynched.


 No.24162

Note: Also create a Youtube corps who's job is to debate and redpill youtube comment threads related to the subject.


 No.24163

>>24162

About 10-20 people are needed to shift the opinion in each thread by calling out hateful comments and spreading the truth.


 No.24187

There are no more than 60 people on /younglove/. Our entire support is around 60 people. We're back on 8chan's front page, but 60 people is still pretty meek.

Post it in /pol/ or /b/, halfchan even


 No.24195

>Well, *70* years ago, what gays went though is PRISICELY what pedos go through today.

And 85 years ago, man+girl child pedo was legal in Tennasee.

140 years ago in a yankee state such as delaware.

And it's always been fine in the old religions, vedic, muslim, and bible (Deuteronomy 22 28-29, in original language)


 No.24206

>>24195

I was only able to find what you were talking about in Deuteronomy 20, and it's a bad example. You're still not supposed to fucking rape anyone. Use the New Testament instead. Mary and Joseph are all you need. And Jesus, born of hebe Mary, put in a hebe belly by God Himself.


 No.24208

>>24206

Child pregnancy isn't illegal, just child sex.


 No.24227

>>24187

I will, once I perfect the arguments and get the subreddit set up.


 No.24287

>>24208

Well then.


 No.24377

Anybody read the article yet?


 No.24461

>>24206

Deuteronomy 22 28-29, in hebrew, says that if you rape a young girl you keep her and pay her father 50 silver.

That is not a bad example. The hebrew word in it mean's from infancy till adolecence: ie girl, young girl.

The new testament is the feminist testament, no I will not use it.

If you want to argue about the hebrew words here: http://pastebin.com/mzFJyxea and http://pastebin.com/CaAwbpbK


 No.24462

>>24206

You saying "You're still not supposed to fucking rape anyone." and then pointing to the feminist testament doesn't prove anything. Deuteronomy 22 28-29, in hebrew, says what it says. Won't change for you faggot.

There is no proof that "you're not supposed to rape anybody", since "anybody" is inclusive of girl children who have not yet been given to anyone, prostitutes, women of enemy peoples, etc.

The God of Deuteronomy does not have any problem with the rape of captive women and girls, nor with the rape of girl children who have not been given or promised to another man. This is clear in his law.

You proclaiming that rape is always wrong holds no water under Deuteronomy. The man is Ba'al: master, of the woman in Deuteronomy.


 No.24465

>>24462

>You proclaiming that rape is always wrong holds no water under Deuteronomy.

It does hold water where literally any man would have no hesitation blowing your fucking brains out you hilariously pathetic subhuman.


 No.24469

>>24461

>>24462

>>24465

I want kikes to leave


 No.24479

>>24469

Not jewish, just like young girls and hate feminists.

So does their pre-talmudic book.


 No.24480

>>24465

yeah, and any man in germany in 1940 would blow the brains out of any jew.

willingness to engage in violence has no bearing on moral righteousness. wtf is wrong with you


 No.24481

>>24479

there's no one here who likes you

kill yourself


 No.24487

>>24481

>kill yourself

Nope. If I was going to kill anyone, it wouldn't be me.


 No.24488

>>24487

You're a hilariously pathetic worthless coward subhuman so it's obvious you wouldn't be killing anyone, but if anyone yes it would be yourself, disgusting miserable faggot animal. Kill yourself.


 No.24489

>>24488

>You're a hilariously pathetic worthless coward subhuman so it's obvious you wouldn't be killing anyone, but if anyone yes it would be yourself, disgusting miserable faggot animal. Kill yourself.

Nope, If I were to kill anyone, it wouldn't be me.


 No.24493

>>24489

There is no one on this planet that doesn't think you're a pathetic cowardly subhuman animal.


 No.24497

>>24493

What does that have to do with marrying little girls? Animals fuck


 No.24500

>>24493

Can you guys pls quit bitching


 No.24508

Here is the thing. Pedophilia will become more accepted once homosexuals are able to adopt. Once they do that, children will adapt to their sexual lifestyles. Children will become more promiscuous to the point where it will have to be accepted that children can have consensual sex with anyone. This will ride on the "sexual liberation" bandwagon where children cannot be excluded from enjoying sexuality just like adults do. It's only a matter of time. As much as I dislike gays, this could very much be a blessing in disguise for us.>>23999


 No.24536

>>24508

>>24508

I personally will never support promiscuity in exchange for greater sexual freedom, nor will I ever want our rights to be derived from a third party who can only pretend to understand us


 No.24549

>>24117

There is a large number of people like that in the Modern Western World nowadays.


 No.24696

>>24508

Promiscuity has nothing to do with acceptance of sexuality. Whether promiscuity is bad or not, though―that's a separate topic.


 No.24709

>>24696

Promiscuity means that you are accepting of casual sex, so yes, it has to do with acceptance of sexuality. Unless you are talking about routers.


 No.24710

>>24536

"I'd rather have nothing."


 No.24728

>>24710

"I encourage a group of which has different sexual orientation to myself to mail order children en masse to rapesexualise. From their sacrifice which I had not the luxury to take part in, children will no longer have the qualities I find attractive, but throwing away the future of social stability and watching everything burn was worth getting a perverted version of my rights at an age where I am now too senile to enjoy them."


 No.24732

>>24728

>bawww im a delirious barely human sputtering manchild


 No.24739

>>24732

>>24732

>I was so pissed off after being humiliated on an anonymous imageboard that I quickly learnt to greentext, harnessing my inner hurt, I typed up a mean shitpost

>I hope suddenly being able to greentext helps me fit in, and that the embarrassingly weak insults that I made will help me feel better after facing true anguish




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