/younglove/ - Pedophilia Discussion

>>24418

It's actually media that changes ideals. Twitterites going into a frenzy wasn't specifically because it was fanfiction but because it was affecting media that they enjoyed. It's not necessarily fanfiction that pulls crowds, any other kind of fiction or rhetoric does the trick as long as it can attract a population. Ultimately it's fanbases and large populations that cause effects, so it's more about focusing on drawing support of weaker minded individuals rather than specifically aiming for a genre.

>>24428

"affecting media that they enjoyed"

That's not quite it―there's more to it than that. It may be hard to understand, but when it comes to fanfiction, it gets a lot more personal than simply thinking of it as "media that one enjoys." That is because a lot of fanfiction is about the social aspect rather than simply "enjoying" media because it's something people are a lot more personally connected to and something people can feel like they are a "part of." Unlike mainstream media, which is usually thought of as made by "companies" that are a separate class from consumers (at least in people's minds, which is the important part), a lot more "ordinary people" (think: the average pixiv user) participate in this, which is why they would take things more personally than if it was just about some "media that they enjoyed." In this case, it's not simply the media that attracts the crowd, but also the crowd itself (in a sense, think internet discussion forum: it's not just about people's posts individually, but also people talking to each other).

>>24429

when quoting something, put a > in front of it, this makes the font turn

>green

>because it's something people are a lot more personally connected to and something people can feel like they are a "part of."

This is exactly it, the media is more appealing to them because they can self insert their own aspects into it. Contrasts canon-fags who complain whenever their favourite creators change something or retcon a story. There's nothing special about fanfiction, it's just a form of media that has characteristics that draw appeal. Similar to how nostalgic material has the characteristic of seeming much better than originally presented.

>>24428

>>24429

All media does influence people in the way the OP suggested fanfiction does, but fanfiction gives an ordinary person more control over the fantasy that they like and develop a deeper attachment to than they would consuming other forms of media.

We should focus on fanfiction and regularly media for maximum effectiveness of this strategy.

>>24438

>controlling fanfiction

>fanfiction still having appeal

Pick one and only one, there's no way you could possibly utilise fanfiction to spread a cause without compramising what makes it so appealing in the first place.

>>24428

We should just create a movie- a romantic love story and release it on youtube.

>>24450

This is not about "controlling" fanfiction. It's about making it grow into such a form that it can have great influence on society. There is no need to control it because its very nature is something that works for good.

>>24470

It's an extension of a persons innermost desires projected onto pre-established series and themes, if you don't attempt to control it then a pedo-hater would just as likely spread his sentiment in an edgy revenge fic as anyone here would write a piece about getting to fuck a girl. There's no wat it can benefit on it's own and there's no way it can benefit if pushed in a direction. It's about as stable as keeping normies from using pepe.

>>24473

writing is one thing, people are more likely to read fanfics for the porn than for edginess

>>24473

The reason why what you say doesn't work is because of the "social exchange" part of it all, which pushes for a need towards greater acceptance.

Think living in cities vs. living in rural areas. People who live in cities tend to be more open minded about things in general not because the cities themselves are propagandizing anything, but because the greater amount of exchange people have in the cities.

>>24530

That's what makes the difference between regular fiction and fanfiction quite important. Among other factors in play here, the character aspect is a lot more important.

>>24548

>regular fiction

Alternative fiction is about as fanfictiony as fiction gets, buddy. It's literally guys rewriting history and events to be more in line to their personal fancies., not much different to how fans rewrite series to their tastes. The point is that anti pedos will write things against pedos or omit sympathetic pedos from their works, and since their the majority, pro-pedo works don't have the same weight. I think you might be referring to the otaku doujin craze specifically when talking about fanfiction, right? That falls perfectly in line with what I said about capturing weak minds. Otaku and other weebs are insecure people who often feel unsatisfied with their lives. Sexual outlets help numb the pain of failure, while cute characters form the partner they could never get in real life. That's the appeal of jap fanfics. Not personal freedom or strong influence, just the ability to capture weak minded souls.

>>24530

Just book a book has a small devoted fanbase does not make it popular. There's most likely also a small percentage of people who love reading edgy fanfiction, that doesn't mean it's popular.

>>24556

Are you unfamiliar with the fanfiction world in English? What you find is most of what is talked about earlier, the different attitudes about sexuality and everything, even among religious people. It may be hard to explain why it has the effect that it does, but you can't deny that it at least does have that effect.

>>24556

Derivative works that stem from a "fanbase community" is in many ways different from just a single person doing a derivative work of something historical… how it is different, well, the social aspect as mentioned earlier.

>>24597

http://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Rising-William-W-Johnstone/dp/0786023481

52 reviews and counting, that means of the readers, 52 people mustered up the effort to write reviews, typical lurker-poster counts would suggest that atleast 500 people bought the book, that's more than many free fics will ever get in terms of viewership.

>>24687

>>24698

The community that consists entirely of society's second-hand outcasts? The 16 year old median age and scours of sexual cartoon fics didnt cue you in that fanfic writers are weak minded people turning to a medium that fills their emptiness. You don't see doctors, lawyers or popular people writing fanfics much, they have all their eggs in basket, that's why they read books or watch movies, whatever media they feel a distinguished person should consume. You're missing the woods for the trees here, there's no hidden marketing gold in fanfiction. You could argue that memes have more of an effect than fics ever will, some things just influence idiots better.

>>24727

It probably got more advertising than ~any~ free fic will ever get. Also sub thousand is still piss.

>>24727

Free fanfics also have no production cost. Especially with mass market fiction, where the unsold copies are recycled and the front covers are sent back to the publisher for a refund, meaning that 500 copies sold would be a pretty big loss financially when you consider the average book sells 2k over its lifetime.

>>24733

>books

>advertising

You're also forgetting the obvious paywall, and the fact that 500 is only on amazon itself. In terms of a dying genre, it passes.

>>24740

Art itself has no production cost, they are literally generating a market good from nothing.(If you want to nitpick about art supply costs and the like, do realise that a even a fanfic writer needs to be able to afford something with a keyboard). And if you're trying to back OP(or happen to be OP himself), the entire doujinshi scene is based on planning the right number of copies to sell. For the poor jap artist out of work, doujinshi success can make or break the poverty line.

None of this even relates to the OP anymore; I still stand firm that fanfiction is a terrible means to spread a cause.

>>24741

There is a difference between something made in limited quantity and then sold and something mass produced. If you mass produce, you need to sell most of them to make a profit.

>>24741

>implying amazon doesnt have hundreds of millions of users

>implying tens of thousands of people at least wouldnt see that book through the free marketing that is their recommended selection or new releases

>implying books are a dying genre (download the ereader version dingus)

>>24743

This is false, mass production is much cheaper than custom print commissions, as screens and templates do not need to be changed and the larger companies which cater to large scale orders have much more cost efficient machines than the private printers small scale publishers(like doujin artists) turn to. This applies to all industries(cars, electronics).

Whenever you make product in any quantity, you have to sell them to make profit, large scale or not.

>>24744

>implying amazon only deals in books

>implying amazon even mainly deals in books nowadays

>implying the small window of time in which there is a book feature towards a closed community makes any substantial difference

>implying you can find a single post 90s person today reading for their primary entertainment

>using amazon

>reading non-existent "data" books over proper tangible collectibles

I reckon amazon made more from PS4 sales last year than the combined total of last year's new book titles

>>24746

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2614915

http://www.ibisworld.com/industry/global/global-book-publishing.html

Total video gaming revenue: ~$101 billion.

Total book publishing revenue: ~$103 billion.

So no.

Also, you're fucking retarded if you think that people don't read just because you don't. Actually you're retarded for >greentexting so fucking much, but that can't be helped.

>>24750

>greentexts

>complains about greentexting

What are you even trying to even prove here? How does this relate to the OP's post? Are you trying to have the last post because it's the only way you can overcome your insecurities enough to sleep soundly at night?

Also, way to go posting sources without reading them. If you were actually competent enough to check your sources you'd find that vidya stands at 111 billion to 103 billion for publishing as a whole(publishing=much more than books)

>>24763

Your samefag detector is broken, because I've not greenmemed at all you autist. >>24750 was my first post in this thread.

>What are you even trying to even prove here?

Publishing is not a dying medium. Reading is not a dying hobby.

>How does this relate to the OP's post?

I was replying to you:

>I reckon amazon made more from PS4 sales last year than the combined total of last year's new book titles

Besides that, the OP is just a suggestion of what the thread is about.

>Are you trying to have the last post because it's the only way you can overcome your insecurities enough to sleep soundly at night?

Oh my, that really shook my worldview. I'm having a identity crisis now that you blew apart my fragile little mind with that insight.

>Also, way to go posting sources without reading them. If you were actually competent enough to check your sources you'd find that vidya stands at 111 billion to 103 billion for publishing as a whole(publishing=much more than books)

Last I checked, last year was 2014, which had $101B then.

BUT EVEN IF IT DIDN'T

The figures are for book publishing only. Newspapers alone were $185B in 2014.

http://www.wan-ifra.org/press-releases/2015/06/01/world-press-trends-newspaper-revenues-shift-to-new-sources

If the $103B includes all publishing, how does a single part exceed the sum of all the parts?

BUT EVEN IF IT WASN'T

I'm being generous by allowing mobile games in that figure anyway.

MY POINT BEING

Books are still a huge form of mass entertainment. The revenue figures don't take into account libraries either. Games are still relatively niche and remain the toys of people who can drop $50+ on them.

Also, anyone can write. It takes an absurd amount of resources to make even a small game.

>>24727

In Japan, lots of famous and well-known illustrations make fanfic comics, like Sakurazawa Izumi and Ito Life. No matter how much you can call them "second-hand outcasts," they at least have a great amount of respect from those that follow them. It's no small thing.

>>24763

Damn, you just got fucking roasted.

>>24940

>close browser

>reset cookies

>lolol, I wasn't samefagging guise!!1!

>>24942

>being this deliriously butthurt

no one cares nearly enough to samefag over a paranoia complex shithead

tfw can also see our hashes though since you're clearly desperate enough to know

>>24943

>get's his shit called out

>upset as fuck

>can't properly respond

>cries to board admin for help

clever girl

>>24946

I'm not the one greentexting 'muh samefags out to get me'

but yes keep amusing everyone else with your hilarious stream of pure butthurt while they continue to post citations to their claims

>>24938

You're an annoying dumbass and I'm going to stop replying to you.

>>24950

>>24951

>butthurt this, butthurt that

>replies to unrelated shit

>stupid enough to post sources that go against what he says

>get's btfo

>can't respond

>angry name calling for maximum damage control

10/10, would dominate again

>>24952

>>24951

Forget to take your sage off, samefag?

>>24955

>i've never copy pasted in paint before i swear!

>>24956

>copy pasting paint in less than 5 minutes

You can pretend you weren't obviously same fagging, but pushing it on to me isn't going to make you look any less like a defeated autist.

>>24959

the crippling autist is the one that doesnt understand how many posters are laughing at him right now

>it takes more than 45 seconds to left click drag

>this desperate

>>24960

>brags about his samefagging skills

>pretends he has people backing him like a samefag would

>literally admitting that he samefags regularly

I'm snickering at how pathetic you are without your only word "butthurt"

>>24938

100k twitter (that Ito Life has) followers is "niche," right. Considering that Japan only has a population of 100 million…

http://haileythearies.tumblr.com/post/123222300973/likeanahmed-hey-if-youre-under-18-dont-post

>>25019

It is relevant because Japan has fewer people, so 100k followers in Japan is more comparable to at least 600k followers in the English-speaking world (U.S. + Canada + U.K. + Australia + New Zealand + all those other countries that speak English as a second language like Netherlands, Thailand, India, Vietnam, etc.)

Comic Market, just one of the thousands of events out there, has at least half a million people going to it twice a year. That's at least one out of every 200 people for just a single event at a single location.

>>25142

Are you ignoring the examples I've pointed out earlier. Like Ito Life.

And you are also ignoring the fact that I've mentioned those events, both big ones and small one.

>>25187

I'm discrediting ito life as an outlier because the average doujin scene twitter account has less than 5k followers, whereas any social whore can top 100k easily. If itou life is the best doujin artists have to show for popularity, then doujin artists could be more second rate than I imagined.

And your one big con in a single country hardly makes a case for fanfiction when the more well known San Diego comic con only pulls in 130000 people. Fan fiction cons are also small time compared to other media: http://www.mtviggy.com/lists/the-10-biggest-music-festivals-in-the-world-2/

>>25191

How about Aoi Nishimata at 68.9k. That is not too bad too. The average popular one actually has around 30k followers. Not nearly as much as the 100k that popular Let's Players usually pull in, but still a considerable number considering how there's a lot of them.

It is not just "one" big con. Comic Market, Sunshine Creation, Comic Treasure, as well as those thousands of small events that happen all around the country on a weekly basis. If the more well known San Diego Comic Con only pulls in 130,000 people, then it shows very clearly how much big of a deal Comic Market is pulling in 3 times more people.

How much did doujins unite the Japanese lolicon scene? Not that much, but it did create a market.