/younglove/ - Pedophilia Discussion

Because that's a fantasy that has a 99.99~% chance of not being the case, and when it isn't the case you have a 99.99~% chance of pretending that it is anyway.

Why are you posting this here instead of some normalfag board, is it because you want an echo chamber? Or perhaps because if anyone argues with you, you'll have plenty of butt-buddies on the sidelines to croon and jeer for you? Though it's probably just because you're desperately trying to convince not anyone else but only yourself that you aren't a delirious child molester.

>>26468

It's only rape because the law says it is. Plain and simple. If it wasn't against the law, it couldn't be considered rape.

Kids can make choices for themselves in other aspects of life, such as whether they want McDonalds over Burger King, or they don't like broccoli, but love asparagus, yet heaven to mergatroids if they say they like anything sexual. They aren't capable of handling such a thing on their own.

Here's a fact for all the people in the anti contact camp. Take away the stigma of something and no one is stigmatized by it.

Age appropriate sexual activity is not harmful except for the moral compass society puts on it.

Teach a child that ice cream is evil, and if they enjoy ice cream, they are going to feel bad about liking it and having to keep the fact they like it a secret.

>>26472

Why are you so mad? Angry Antis are just so bitter and mean for no reason. This is a forum for discussion no? We aren't going to agree but I don't get why you get mad and offended. If you don't like it you can leave.

>>26473

I think it was like when they criminalized alcohol. It didn't work it gave mobsters more. If child sex was legal we could help more kids avoid rape and abuse.

I like the ice cream analogy. In fact religion does this to us. For example religion hates masturbation yet it has so many good things it offers. Even with a heavy stigma it can't deny that it is healthy according to religion's enemy science.

>>26475

Sexual activity is like everything else in life. If we are taught something is bad, many people blindly accept that and take it as gospel. They don't stop to thnk that it's only bad because else says so, not because it actualy is.

Of course there are things that are bad, and we should be taught about those things. Murder. Rape. Theft….You get the picture. But when it comes to sex, we need to stop teaching that it's a bad thing until some arbitrary magical age.

I'm certainly not advocating that anyone should think it's okay to fuck a child whose body isn't ready for such activity, but oral, mutual masturbation, etc., I don't see as wrong.

>>26476

Boy did I fuck up a couple parts in that post…

>They don't stop to thnk that it's only bad because else says so

It should read… They don't stop to think that it's only bad because everyone else says so

>>26472

>"99.99~% chance of not being the case"

Did you know that 99.99999% of statistics are made up on the spot?

honestly though, if you think that adolescents dont desire, understand, or think about sex then clearly you never were one.

>"Why are you posting this here instead of some normalfag board, is it because you want an echo chamber?"

Who is to say they havent raised this question in other forums? You dont know if they have or not. Ive actually talked about it in other forums. But it is the kind of discussion you have to be careful with because it could get you banned or doxed in millisecond. So sometimes you are only able to find an honest and in depth discussion here. We might find good angles and arguments here we can use in future discussions. Especially if we have one or two antis like you, throwing out fallacious arguments for us to practice on.

>>26473

The point you make about stigmatization is one that really needs to be driven home and really needs a sociological spotlight. The biggest reason why these sexual acts have a big impact on kids is because we have piled on so much weight with our own taboos and intense cultural fears of sex. They have to be practiced in the dark and treated as something unholy and ugly.

When I was a boy I was interested in the female body, even from the age of 7-10. If an older woman in her 30s wanted to teach me some sexual stuff hands on, I would not have been damaged by that in any way. I wanted that more than anything. I had a huge crush on my middle school science teacher. But society tells us that if she even let me play with her boobs, that would be some kind of heinous act and I should feel damaged and traumatized for taking part in it.

That kind of shaming and stigmatization would have left me with nowhere to turn and would had made me feel like there was something wrong with me for wanting it and that this woman who i liked was somehow evil. That twisted outlook is what is truly damaging.

>>26475

>didn't even try to post a real response

You are the face of impotency.

>>26479

>I would not have been damaged by that in any way.

It's interesting that only people who haven't had this happen to them say this. The stigmatization is real, but so is the harm that comes from the realization of being used as someones sexual plaything.

>>26481

I actually had it happen. When I was 12 I was active with a 20yo women for several months. Not as large of an age gap as the poster meant, but still one that was illegal and had to be kept secret.

I don't feel any shame at all about being her "sexual plaything." According to society I should though. They don't want me to think for myself. They want to say "No, you were harmed by what she did, you're just in denial."

Why don't I have the right to think for myself and say I enjoyed it?

>>26480

I'm not giving a "real response" to anger and hate. This is a board about pedophiles no?

>>26481

actually ive dated women who have had sexual experiences when they were kids and dont regret them. But its funny how you think you can guess my mental state as a child better than I understand it myself.

Also "sexual plaything?" Once again playing into the stereotype that all pedos are just sociopathic predators who view kids as disposable objects. You realize the world isnt that black and white, right?

I remember there was a Law and Order episode that dealt with the issue of "child consent." But of course, they use a boyfucker, who is a blatant rapist. That way his arguments are easy for the writers to refute. Its the kind of biased, hamfisted writing you can expect from SVU.

If they had, say, a guy in his 20s and a 11 year old girl in a monogamous relationship who were both insistent that they were in love, then that might actually challenge their audience and we cant have that.

>>26468

Those are misguided ideas of what creates the harm, if you ask me. Of course, in the most clear examples, abuse, coercion and force are obvious sources of harm. But these are not relevant in the type of relationships I imagine most of us here fantasize about. In those cases, the harm comes from the potential consequences of accidentally or otherwise revealing what happened. The effort it takes to keep a secret like that is tremendous on anyone, let alone a child. Not only that, but a child like that will have to wade through a ton of conflicting experiences - like when people they trust will say or talk about things that go completely against what the child has experienced, and they are forced to stay silent about it.

In any case, there's never going to be a way to explain all the risk factors, because every situation is different and complicated. The bottom line is that it would be risky as shit.

>>26490

You're correct in that it's societies outlook on sex that causes emotional harm.

The question though, was how is it "rape" if there is no coercion, they create the limits, there is no abuse and they don't regret it.

Many people here seem to believe the same thing as non-pedophiles. That children are incapable of making decisions for themselves when it comes to matters of sexual activity, and therefore consider it rape if an adult has relations with children.

>>26479

>The point you make about stigmatization is one that really needs to be driven home and really needs a sociological spotlight. The biggest reason why these sexual acts have a big impact on kids is because we have piled on so much weight with our own taboos and intense cultural fears of sex. They have to be practiced in the dark and treated as something unholy and ugly.

That's where a good majority of harm is caused in adult/child relationships. It's not the act itself that is harmful (barring physical damage of course), but the fact that it's something we teach children that it's a "bad" thing to do.

>>26485

You aren't giving one because you can't. That post had no anger or hate, but because you're a delirious child molester, anyone who challenges your insane beliefs automatically sends you into a narcissistic rage as if their light criticism of a general topic was somehow cutting to the core of your being.

You are the face of impotency.

>>26492

>The question though, was how is it "rape" if there is no coercion, they create the limits, there is no abuse and they don't regret it.

Because that's literally nothing more than your imagination that certinaly did not actually happen. Pedophiles are DESPERATE to believe the children they molested "truly" consented. They'll invent any justification.

Yes, you were coercive, no the child did not understand boundaries, yes you abused them and 100% yes they do end up significantly regretting it later.

You cry about normies conflating you with child rapists, but child rapists all say literally the exact same things you just said to try to justify their child rape. You're delusional.

>>26498

Not as desperate as antis are to believe that children can't feel sexual pleasure or sexual impulses and act on them

>>26499

>>26499

>>26498

What of the child initiates it? They tell you want they like and don't have like? They understand sex in detail without you telling them?

>>26499

Antis seem to think all pedophiles are evil and are out to hurt kids.

>>26498

I lol'ed.

Seriously? Why are you so adament that childen are incapable of thinking for themselves? That they have no ability to make a decision as to whether they want to do something or not?

You seem to have no concept of the fact that it's because of what they are taught about sex that makes it harmful to them, not the act itself.

I'm sorry, but you absolutely can NOT show that if we taught children that sex was normal, natural, healthy and fun, that they would be impacted in a negative way unless they were forced to do it.

I don't deny that it can and in most cases does cause psychological harm, but that's because of the stigma, not the act itself.

Make a child feel good by giving them a back rub…A-Okay

Make a child feel good by giving them an orgasm…Oh you evil RAPIST!!!

Sorry partner, you're the delusional one. You can't seem to be able to accept children as human beings with thoughts and feelings of their own. You seem to see them as an object for you to control until YOU say they are ready for sexual activity.

And yet we allow them to engage in other risky behavior with nary a thought.

Shall I list all the sporting events they participate in that can lead to broken bones, brain damage, paralysis, even death?

And yet for some reason, people think sex is far worse than any of those things….Go figure.

>>26502

>"Antis seem to think all pedophiles are evil and are out to hurt kids"

I guess you cant blame them considering how much propaganda there is about us in the media. Movies and shows portray us all as predators, monsters, and sadists. The news media loves to publicize "pedophile scandals" (unless of course they are Muslims) and basically equate the word "pedophile" to "child stalking rapist."

People have this so firmly engrained that they dont realize that for every guy you hear about on the news who violated/raped kids, there are a hundred more pedo/hebes who went about their daily lives without harming kids in any way. Most of us are just normal people who you would never even guess. We arent all a bunch of homely mustached dudes in our 40s.

Alot of pedos actually refrain from any sexual activity and take jobs where they help kids. Most pedo's interests in kids are not purely sexual, just like any other sexuality. There is an emotional desire there as well. Many pedo/hebes out there have had sexual interactions with kids/teens and nothing ever became of it, because it was consensual and mutually beneficial (instances that antis pretend dont exist). But, by design, you would never hear about those cases. So all that normies are exposed to are the stories they hear on the news that highlight the worst of the community.

>>26503

You make alot of points I was planning to make

the first one about displays of affection that are acceptable and unacceptable. You are allowed to hug and kiss a kid and rub them in non sexual ways. You can tickle them, wrestle them, and do other physical activities with them.

But for some arbitrary reason, we are told it is a horrible violation if you helped them get an orgasm or if they helped you to. It is suddenly one of the worst crimes in our society. I just ask why? Why is sexual contact considered so inherently damaging and evil? There is no logical or biological reason why.

Its purely cultural. It is damaging because society says it is and we are going to dump all this negative attention on children and tell them they are damaged until they believe it, thus fulfilling our own prophesy.

This is the ultimate circular argument of the antis

>sex is inherently damaging to kids

Why?

>Because kids cant understand sex

Why?

>Because we cant expose them to this knowledge

Why?

>Sex is inherently damaging to kids

(repeat)

They claim that kids cant comprehend or understand sex, yet they are the ones keeping this information from them and keeping them in the dark. They try to shelter them from it, shame them for inquiring about it, and lock it way in the closet as a taboo. Forgetting that these feelings are engrained in all of us and bloom at a young age. our solution is to just keep lying to our kids and lying to ourselves

>>26505

>They claim that kids cant comprehend or understand sex, yet they are the ones keeping this information from them and keeping them in the dark. They try to shelter them from it, shame them for inquiring about it, and lock it way in the closet as a taboo.

Exactly

They can't seem to seperate the act itself from the stigmatization of the act and realize it's the latter that causes harm.

>>26473

>>26503

Out of interest, do you think kids should be allowed to make other decisions restricted for adults, such as drinking alcohol, smoking, voting, gambling etc?

>>26516

Ill give my opinion on this

>Gambling

Not sure where kids would get the money in the first place. If their parents are fine with it, they should be able to, considering its most likely the parent's money.

>Drinking

Obviously alcohol can be demonstrated to have direct harmful effects on the health of young kids, but the drinking age being 21 is just absurd. We all know kids 11 and get their hands on drinks all the time

>smoking

The same thoughts as alcohol. Kids putting chemicals in their bodies that can kill them is crossing an undeniable line of harm.

>>26516

Smoking, no. That's something that is guaranteed to be physically harmful to them. Having an orgasm isn't going to harm them physically.

Alcohol, no. Again there's a large risk of addiction and drinking to excess to where it can kill them. Orgasms feel good, but I don't think they are "addictive" in the same way alcohol and tobacco are. But, like another poster said, I think the age to drink being 21 is too high.

Gambling. Why not? Kids basically gamble all the time. How many times did you bet a friend you could do something? "I'll bet you a candy bar I can jump my bike over that tree stump." Gambling isn't something that is physically harmful to them.

Voting. Well, I don't know. If we want Micky Mouse or Donald Duck to be the POTUS, I guess we can let them vote.

Personally, I think politics is far harder to understand than sex is. :^)

>>26497

You have anger issues. I asked a question and you tell mms this:

Why are you posting this here instead of some normalfag board, is it because you want an echo chamber? Or perhaps because if anyone argues with you, you'll have plenty of butt-buddies on the sidelines to croon and jeer for you?

Just the first post, didn't feel the need to post the others. This has nothing to do with the topic and is a personal attack.You can't ban me so you try to bitch at me to go somewhere else and claim I have an entourage. This is a board that discusses younglove other boards don't focussed this. Since my existence bothers you ignore me or go somewhere else. You just want to bitch and throw around insults. Grow up and get help. You have issues that attacking me won't help. Also unlike you I'm not mad. Notice how I barely curse, don't insult you nor do anything else personal. This is my last response to you mainly because I doubt your response will actually give something to the conversation instead you will probably just attack and insult me more.

>>26504

Yes!!! Personally I believe we all have to fight against self hate. We are so messed up from falsehoods that we think we are inherently evil.

>>26536

>anyone who contradicts me has anger issues

you are deluded, and you are completely powerless to bring even the slightest rebuttal to me. which is the true reason why you don't. You try to mask it with a pathetic attempt at taking some sort of nonsensical and nonexistent high road by focusing in on what you perceive as insults as if that somehow relieves you of the responsibility of defending your argument.

> This is a board that discusses younglove other boards don't focussed this.

there are plenty of boards on 8chan alone where you could argue in favor of fucking children, but you do it here precisely because you do have an entourage that will support any argument in favor of fucking children as policy. You're an impotent coward. That's not a personal attack (I don't even know you, only the posts you make, how can anything spoken against an anonymous post be a personal attack?), that's the absolute truth of the matter.

It's not an insult to call someone who steals things a thief, and it's not an insult to call someone who will create any sort of desperate rationalization to fuck children a delirious wannabe child rapist, because that's objectively what he is.