/younglove/ - Pedophilia Discussion

>present a wildly unrealistic scenario

>try to shift the burden of proof on anyone who doubts the conclusion you've chosen to draw from that

Okay everyone who don't believe that the government didn't do 9/11, consider this: what if those had been military jets crashing into the towers instead, and Bush had gone on TV and admitted it. How would that not prove that the government did 9/11?

Do you think that the Holocaust actually happened? What if the prime minister of Israel showed you the minutes of the cabal meeting where they decided to fake it, and gave you 1000 hours of video of the concentration camps where the Jews did nothing but party while the Germans served them? How could such amazing evidence not change your mind?

You seriously don't believe in aliens? Imagine for a second a Martian space craft landing on your lawn and inviting you to their home planet for a vacation? Surely you would be convinced then.

>>26653

>present a wildly unrealistic scenario

Actually it did happen.

And then you run off on a tangent about conspiracy theories and sage the post because you have no good reply.

Bravo!!

>>26656

Check out the perspectives thread.

But the holocaust did happen, you retarded /pol/itician.

Of course a child can make a choice about sexual activity, but society thinks sexual consent needs to be an informed choice.

A child might put a fork in a power socket, that doesn't mean they're making an informed choice to electrocute themselves. And the adult in the room will be held responsible for allowing the situation to occur, even if they didn't encourage the child to do it.

>>26691

But isn't allowing a child to put a fork in a power socket inherently more dangerous than wanting to play with a man's cock?

Of course the anti's will say "But then the man will want more and manipulate the child to go further." In today's hysteria controlled world about sex, true. But if we taught kids they have the right to say yes AND no, and if someone makes them do something they don't want to do, THAT'S when you tell on them, then where's the harm?

>>26693

That is the problem people don't think kids can make good decisions. I've seen special needs kids learn important skills and make certain decisions. If society wasn't in denial about sex parents could help kids make good decisions. Parents help kids make good decisions in other scenarios why not sex?

>>26694

>Parents help kids make good decisions in other scenarios why not sex?

Because a majority of society thinks sex is this overly complicated, magical thing, that children are unable to comprehend.

If they aren't able to understand sex can have negative consequences just like riding a bicycle can have negative consequences if not done safely, then they shouldn't be riding a bike.

>>26653

Please read this post (and the two posts it refers to) and you'll realize not only that it's totally possible, but that feminists know it and try to find ways to work around it.

https://8ch.net/younglove/res/23805.html#q26898

>>26700

+1. Best anti-anti argument ever in two lines. Thank you.

>>26700

Sex is much more complicated than riding a bike, and adults generally don't have children ride bikes to satisfy their own sexual desires.

If you aren't able to understand the intricacies of sex and its emotional consequences, you shouldn't be interacting sexually with anyone let alone extremely mentally vulnerable children.

>>26927

And another anti completely misses the point. Sex is only complicated because society makes it so with the stigma they attach to it. It wouldn't be any more complicated than teaching children safe sex practices if we didn't attach such emotional strings to it.

>>26931

There's only one anti on the site, and he's a hypocrite who's tried to rape children, there's no point replying to him, nothing out of his posts have any real meaning.

>>26927

I think you are confusing your own difficult relationship to people with sex here. It's not the same thing. It makes you complicate things that for others may be simple.

Life is difficult in itself without you people traumatizing everything and making every person in it a filthy enemy.

>>26974

That's a complete strawman and does nothing to contradict that objective reality of human experience.

In the end there's literally nothing you can say that will ever make you right or your beliefs true. Sex is complicated, and people regularly get emotionally hurt by sex regardless of intentions. The end.

>>26931

Having romance not have emotional strings attached is a contradiction.

Pedo's want the right to have sex with peoples children.

Good luck with that!

>>26999

Having sex without emotional strings is fun though. If YOU don't want to have sex without an emotional attachment, that's your personal choice. But don't force your choices on others who might enjoy sex just for fun.

>>27007

You don't choose to develop feelings for someone. It just happens.

>>27028

No one said you choose to develop feelings for someone. What I'm saying is emotions don't HAVE to be part of a sexual relationship.

If little Suzy Sugarpussy wants to let Mr. Pedo take her Dora panties off and lick her pussy, and have her suck his dick, just make sure she knows about safe sex practices. She doesn't have to love him, she just has to love having her pussy licked or giving head.

It's the emotional aspect attached to sex that causes harm, not the act of sex itself.

Precautions can be taken to reduce or prevent the risk of disease and physical harm by educating children about sex.

>>27029

And what if she becomes emotionally attached to him? You don't have any way of preventing it and making it some sort of sterile experience.

>>27031

You don't have any way of preventing it and making it some sort of sterile experience between two adults either.

Life isn't all kittens and ice cream cones. You take risks in life and hope for the best. Sex is no different. Why keep treating it like it's something mystical and all powerful when it's just another part of life?

Stop teaching that sex is only something to be done between adults when they fall in love. Teach that's it's just another part of life that you can share with anyone if you choose to.

You have the choice of waiting for Mr. or Mrs. Right to come along, or you can be with Mr. or Mrs. Right Now.

>>27032

>You don't have any way of preventing it and making it some sort of sterile experience between two adults either.

And that's why sexual relationships are emotionally charged for adults as well. There is no such thing as casual sex.

>>27032

Exactly, youre taking a hige risk where the child has to pay a big part of the price if things go wrong like they very very likely will. It's not fair to the child when you were the one that wanted to take the risk in the first place and the one who roped them into it when they were 100% fine just enjoying a normal childhood, and especially when they dont even know the potential consequences. It's not fair to them at all.

Even if sex with children wasnt illegal, theres still a big chance theyll be hurt emotionally. Adults get hurt by sex all the time just from misunderstandings alone, and misunderstandings between children and adults are incredibly common.

It's just not fair.

>>27055

I think this is a really great and succinct post. Even if I do believe that things like "you were the one that wanted to take the risk and the one who roped them into it" might not necessarily be true, I still completely agree with the conclusion. It isn't fair to impose the risk of a child-adult sexual relationship on a child.

That said, I do think we could possibly work toward a world with a view on sex that's laid back, honest and open enough that much of the risks and dangers would be mitigated. Maybe when we've reached a point in society like that…

>>26644

You're fundamentally misunderstanding the issue. It's not that children are unable to instigate a sexual act, or even that they can't have sexual feelings (some people would disagree with this, but they're stupid). We're talking about a legal definition of consent. Legality isn't always about truth. In this case it's about protecting children. A child can "consent" in lay man's terms, but cannot consent in legal terms, just as they cannot legally consent to all manner of other things like medical procedures.

the American Psychological Association supports an age of consent of eight

https://tomocarroll.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/a-less-impaired-vision-of-sexuality/

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J151v01n03_02#.UkxzORDl4ZU

"OP's story is so unrealistic!!!"

This actually happened to me once. Me and my little sister had a tickle fight, and I pitched a tent in my sweatpants. She just grabbed it and started playing around with it. It's not like she didn't know what it was, she'd seen it before. This is when I was around 13, so she'd have been 6 or 7.

>>28278

>In this case it's about protecting children

Protecting them from what? The "evils" of sex?

>>28278

then change the legal definition of consent. laws are made and can be changed. happens all the time. with a parent's permission, should a child be able to consent? sure, parents allow children to consent to medical procedures, legal proceedings, etc.

should parents be able to interact sexually with their children to teach them about sex? sure. parents are responsible for the child's well being…. if the parent abuses a child, lock them up like you would if they beat the child.

>>28337

thanks for sharing! i'm sure that sort of thing happens all the time.

this is an example of what should be normal and natural. children should be able to interact sexually (sex play) with older siblings, parents, older relatives and trusted friends.

sexual play should be how children learn naturally about sex. with parent's permission and oversight, children learn and experience sex naturally as they would riding a bike or cooking a meal.

parents are responsible for children not being abused, that is, treated with kindness and caring.

no parent in their right mind would allow a strange adult to beat their child. in the same way, parents are responsible for their child not being used as a sex toy for siblings, other children or adults.

>>27031

one can only hope that any sexual relationship between a child and and adult is caring, loving and tender. it also should be focused on the pleasure and learning of the child.

i've chatted with many adults who had loving sexual relationships when they were children with older relatives. these child/adult sexual relationships were kept secret for obvious reasons. the adults remembered these relationships as loving and sweet. the adults were NOT abusive and loved their child lovers deeply.

this is the ideal situation for the child and for the pedophile: a loving relationship focused on the pleasure and learning of the child.

>>26644

I find this highly unlikely. I would wonder why she is out-of-the-blue so interested in jerking me off.

But i would also lean back and enjoy it. And chances are good that after i cum, she would pull her pants and panties down and sit right on my face.

>>28795

>I find this highly unlikely. I would wonder why she is out-of-the-blue so interested in jerking me off.

It happened, and I did wonder why she did it out of the blue like that. Turns out she had previously been active with an uncle, and most likely other members of her family. Her grandfather and the one uncle she was active with were both convicted child sex offenders. Her other uncle had been caught in bed with his 10yo sister when he was 19. Her older sister had also been active with the uncle, and I imagine she was also involved with the other two guys as well.

>But i would also lean back and enjoy it.

I did.

>And chances are good that after i cum, she would pull her pants and panties down and sit right on my face.

Didn't happen that day, as we weren't alone. All we did was touching that day. But for the next 5 years we had a lot of fun together.

>>28803

That is great for you. I hope you treated her nice.

>>28796

The legal concept is called "informed consent". It is described very well in >>26700. You are riding a dead horse with your pro arguments.

The way I see it, since I have been stuck alone with young girls before, they can easily consent and usually WANT to experiment with older men who have a questionable Moral Compass. I have a Questionable Moral Compass. I look at everyone as an equal and treat them as so. That has allowed me to learn the inner workings of the minds of children, that and never really growing up myself and being able to remember being that age. However, the fact that I realize I have a questionable moral compass also gives me the ability to control it. I have had opportunities to do things with young girls, but I did not allow myself. I did allow her to get away with a few things, but, merely to see what she was trying to do.

>>28806 "Continued"

I have watched the Anime that a lot of anti-pedos cry about all the time called "Kodomo no Jikan" and I honestly Enjoyed it because I feel they NAILED the mindset of young girls. A lot of of those scenarios I have experienced.

However to answer the question, he did nothing and neither did she. Society says she was raped. When they tell her that then she feels bad or ashamed. until then, she was 100% ok with it. It may not be a sexual choice or decision, it is usually just sexual experimentation and exploration. I don't think letting them do so is wrong. Also, when it comes to the Moral Compass I talked about, mine is more, "They're not MY kids so it is not my job to be the one to tell them no" it is the job of their parents to explain if they feel something is wrong or right, and the kid to decide for themselves if their parents are right. People will ask "What about when it comes to your own kids?", I know not to let them spend time alone with someone who might have a questionable moral compass.

>>27029

not even the emotional aspect, but the way society tells them their feelings are wrong and what they did was "Bad" makes them feel bad or wrong for the decisions they made.

>>28805

>That is great for you. I hope you treated her nice.

Of course I treated her nice. If I didn't I'm pretty sure she would have kept her panties on for the next 5 years.