/younglove/ - Pedophilia Discussion

Not really the international community can be doing, really.

Through education and by introducing technology to children at a younger age.

There isn't really anything that the UN can do, but I'm sure they are going to conclude that there is a need for further regulation and internet surveillance by governments.

Shit is happening:

https://www.minds.com/blog/view/534006544744853504

This duder gets seven minutes to talk on a panel with Interpol, Jewgle, and a few other asshats.

Come on, give me something here or point me to someone who can rub two sticks together and make shit light up

TICK-TOCK, days are going by and we have an opportunity to at least offer our point of view

Make it so

Also dicks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

I don't know what you are asking. How to secure children from predators? Teach their parents to stop expecting online service providers to babysit their kids for them. Teach kids to not trust random internet fuckbags, to not give them information, and to not ever try to meet them. It's pretty much never a good idea to do that, and I say that as a pedophile.

Sabotage it. Call for full on surveillance and censorship, heavy regulation of social media and child internet use. Try to illicit a SOPA level outcry.

The UNHRC contributes much more to anti-pedo sentiment than helping children, evident by many of their branches condemning 2d lolicon as harmful and attempts to get it banned. You cannot do anything to fix them, even from the inside out. So direct hatred towards the organisation, make people see the UNHCR in a negative light.

>>30402

Holy shit, I really, really hope they follow through with this.

>>30412

Yeah well, the UN is mostly trying to do good, but unfortunately sometimes asshole nations fuck shit up (Saudi-Arabia I am looking at you camelfuckers).

Anyway, the debate will be on 2016.03.07.

In Geneva.

Anyone who want to mail me are free to do so, protonmail is best mail.

>>30402

>This duder gets seven minutes to talk on a panel with Interpol, Jewgle, and a few other asshats.

In other words, if he isn't clearly in favor of expanded surveillance by the end of the second minute, everyone gets a piss break.

>>30446

> In other words, if he isn't clearly in favor of expanded surveillance by the end of the second minute, everyone gets a piss break.

Yeah, nice pessimism there Mr. AngstyTeen, real constructive contribution, stellar job and claps all around.

FYI he's a journalist and if he can keep a civil discussion with both me and gigantic shitheels such as That-Machiavellian-Cunt Ludvigsen (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bjorn-erik-ludvigsen-409b324), then maybe he's the kind of dude who gets invited to those kind of debates just precisely because he doesn't have any kind of agenda but instead is an investigative reporter.

Which is why I am giving him the time of day, instead of just farting about how unfair the world is and how none of the adults understand me and what a precious and special little flower I am.

>>30407

> Sabotage it. Call for full on surveillance and censorship, heavy regulation of social media and child internet use. Try to illicit a SOPA level outcry.

Yeah no, that's how we ended up with AoC at 16 instead of 13: http://www.attackingthedevil.co.uk/pmg/tribute/

Never underestimate the power of stupidity when there is moral panic involved.

Humans tend to do amazingly stupid things to one another out of pure desire to be seen as "moral": http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6966989/the-real-reason-youre-circumcised

Also they've been working on these issues for over a year and at this point they are kind of involved: http://journalisten.no/2015/10/slik-gikk-vg-fram-da-de-avdekket-folk-som-lastet-ned-bilder-med-overgrep-av-barn

I expect the paper will be on SecureDrop within a reasonable amount of time: https://securedrop.org/directory

>>30448

>http://www.attackingthedevil.co.uk/pmg/tribute/

But was the guy dishonest? If there really where paki rape gangs upperclass rape rooms, then it would have been a reasonable response to try to stop that.

>>30450

> If there really where paki rape gangs upperclass rape rooms, then it would have been a reasonable response to try to stop that.

Yeah, well this was 1876 and public schooling got introduced in 1877 so the point was basically that as kids weren't allowed to work anymore, child prostitution kind of was their only alternative.

So it made sense at that time, but as we know age of menarche has dropped by some 7 years since then and a lot of body-conscious young girls would do better getting a dick up their hungry hole than go develop eating disorders out of sexual frustration.

Or worse, become absolute spoilt overgrown twats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqoUGqssXdE

>>30448

No, I'm not asking to go around town screaming "muh morals", they already do that. I'm calling for a full on barrage of communication censorship, privacy intrusion and internet regulation.

This is touchier stuff in this day and age that people won't compromise, even if it allows icky stuff like cp, prime outcry material. There's no 19th century feminist movement to blow it out of proportion now. How else do you think Falkvinge could get away with making an argument about legalising cp and have common folk reluctantly agree? He brought up the threat of "muh freedoms" of course.

https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/

>>30457

> How else do you think Falkvinge could get away with

Yeah I've met him and discussed some issues, was not impressed with his ability to keep up to date and respond to legitimate concerns.

Also he's become a pariah to the party he started, and his arguments about CP are tenuous at best, ludicrous at worst.

> I'm calling for a full on barrage of communication censorship, privacy intrusion and internet regulation.

Um.

Do you know why the Nobel Peace price exist?

Because Nobel thought that if dynamite was introduced into warfare, wars would become so cruel that they would stop.

He was wrong.

And instituted the peace price out of sheer regret.

>>30459

>Do you know why the Nobel Peace price exist?

>Because Nobel thought that if dynamite was introduced into warfare, wars would become so cruel that they would stop.

>He was wrong.

I don't even know what you're getting at here, but technological arms races and social engineering aren't even tangentially related.

It's like you don't know about false flagging and poisoning the well. Why do you think the Westboro church totally flopped at everything they tried to do? Because they were reduced to a big fluffy strawman for their exaggerated claims, easy targets for kicking down.

There's literally no lower point for pedo activities right now. There is nothing they can take from pedos that won't impinge on civil rights of common people. The exception would be if they were to condition people to give up their privacy/freedom of speech on a gradual level(like in parts of Britbong/Canada). In such a case, jumping the gun and making an undesirable organisation commit political suicide is a perfectly viable tactic.

>Yeah I've met him and discussed some issues

Totally irrelevant how his political career or your opinions of him lie. He wrote an article that had enough morally appalling concepts in it to have caused a toxic backlash, and yet it was republished in mostly positive light, analysed for meritable points, and even became food for thought for the unintelligible. Privacy is an infallible right in the 21st century, and even the squickiest of things will be accepted long before people let it go completely.

>>30461

You are making the assumption that aggitating for less privacy will have the reverse effect, when the very modern notion of privacy is less than a hundred years old. https://medium.com/the-ferenstein-wire/the-birth-and-death-of-privacy-3-000-years-of-history-in-50-images-614c26059e

This is unfounded and inherently risky - beware of what you ask for, for you might just get it.

The current climate on sex offenders and pedos is indeed insane to the level of being comparable to nazi Germany's branding and persecution of jews: http://bostonreview.net/us/judith-levine-international-megans-law

We really don't need to add anymore gasoline to that fire.

> Privacy is an infallible right in the 21st century

Far from it, the law and human rights are blatantly violated with the public and the legal system's support whenever the powers to be wants it to, in referrence to terrorism, CP, or online crimes.

>>30464

>You are making the assumption that aggitating for less privacy will have the reverse effect

No, I am suggesting that veering an organisation into committing political suicide is a viable tactic for jeopardising its efforts. To do that is pretty simple, Org X leans into policy Y. Policy Y has a vocal and significant opposition. Org X manages criticism of Y related activities by dabbling into Y at a controlled and steady pace, to push Y subtlely. The minute Org X or one of it's spokesmen delve full Y, the vocal opposition notices, and tears them apart, hindering their efforts in other fronts.

Privacy invasion and censorship are an example of a negative policy that could fit as Y. I am not advocating for more of it, that's on the same level of stupidity as that thread advocating teen pregnancies, I am advocating for social sabotage by making reputable organisations make incredibly outlandish statements that would only cause them trouble.

>the very modern notion of privacy is less than a hundred years old

>Far from it, the law and human rights are blatantly violated

This is irrelevant, all irrelevant. If abortion was tangentially related to OP's topic and caused as much controversy as it did some decades ago, I would have called on OP to suggest full on stomach kicking. But as far as the topic of cybersafety is concerned, privacy infringement is the best related source of outcry.

Stir controversy while people still care about freedom of speech and surveillance, or stay pacified out of fear and let the restrictive laws come about slowly but unopposed, your move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpsLZDgFK4

>>30466

Thanks for the autism.

>>30468

>Thanks for the autism.

This coming from the illiterate who spouted nothing but irrelevant trivia and links to pretend he had a semblence of knowing what he was talking about? Just admit you misinterpreted the entire thread, and now you've run out of nonsense to backpedal with. Admitting you were wrong isn't hard, you know?

>>30472

Yeah no, the fantasy that one can "haxx0r teh UN wiht social engineering" is pretty much indicative of mental regression.

Get out more, try to forgive and accept yourself for your sexuality, connect to and socialize with other adults, don't be an example of stunted development due to isolation.

And try to limit your computer-time, exercise a little instead and eat healthy.

Take care, little troll.

>>30483

Oh, and I did get a proper response from somebody who'se opinion is worth a damn, but fuck if I share that with you bickering louts.

Thank you for your input.

It is quite telling, really, how it is typical for even people in the same isolated group, isn't really getting along.

Which makes me think at least a subset - perhaps the most vocal one - of maps are suffering from concomitant disorders.

Such as attachment disorders: http://reactiveattachmentdisorderlife.blogspot.no/2008/12/adult-attachment-disorder.html

AVOIDANT

Intense anger and loss

Hostile

Critical of others

Sensitive to blame

Lack of empathy

Views others as untrustworthy

Views others as undependable

Views self as unlovable or "too good" for others

Relationships feel either threatening to one's sense of control, not worth the effort, or both

Compulsive self-reliance

Passive withdrawal

Low levels of perceived support

Difficulty getting along with co-workers, often preferring to work alone

Work may provide a good excuse to avoid personal relations

Fear of closeness in relationships

Avoidance of intimacy

Unlikely to idealize the love relationship

Tendency toward Introjective depression (self critical)

Something to speculate on, at least.

Will be interesting to see if the Dunkelfeld project can expand to other countries, and what their presentation would be of the benefits and their achievements if so.

>>30486

What is the purpose of this post?

Are you retarded or something?

>>30484

Don't be petty. Tell us about this proper response. I'm interested if only because I'm still not sure what you were asking.

>>30503

>>30503

>Don't be petty. Tell us about this proper response.

[REDACTED]

3h ago

If you want to pass advice to this journalist, here's what [REDACTED] of [REDACTED]

taught [REDACTED], and gave [REDACTED] free rein to use the net from I think about age

[REDACTED], in [REDACTED]. People tell their kids, "Don't talk to strangers!" For

some kids, maybe this is the right answer. For extroverted, curious kids, probably

not. Why not talk to strangers? Just don't grant them any authority. "Talk to

strangers, don't listen to them."

====

(1) Strangers are interesting. Feel free to talk to strangers.

(2) Strangers are not trustworthy sources of information. Feel free to talk to

strangers, but don't listen to them too sincerely.

(3) Strangers never have authority to tell you what to do. If [REDACTED] and I

delegate a stranger to give you a message, it comes with the family password. This

password will never change without all three of us there in person, and anyone who

tells you different is a creep.

(4) Something feels weird, ask us. If you feel uncomfortable asking, that's a bad

sign. Bail out. This is a natural danger signal. Even if it's interesting and

uncomfortable (since, after all, strangers are interesting), bail.

You have a long life ahead of you without the kind of trouble people can heap on you,

but if you are clever, you can have adventures and stay safe.

Just listen carefully to that voice inside about what's right. It's a hero's voice.

It will tell you when you are safe, and when to run, almost perfectly always, and if

you ever get in trouble, just bail as soon as you can and come to us with anything –

anything – and we will help.

====

And it worked. [REDACTED] got to know thousands of amazing people (mostly through

strategy gaming), many of whom had no idea [REDACTED], had incredible adventures,

bailed on a few people who [REDACTED] "didn't like at all," and grew up with an amazing

sense of assessed risk that completely surpasses any of [REDACTED] age peers, plus was

being asked advice, for example, [REDACTED] freshman year at Norwich, on diplomatic

studies papers by upper classmen, partly due to [REDACTED] exposure to so many people

(and our rather extraordinary dinner conversations…).

Helpful? I don't think you can control the environment. But you can teach parents and

children to deal with changing times bravely and in healthy ways.

If a child lives next to the ocean, we can't drain the ocean – but we can teach the

child what the risks of drowning are, and how to swim – even better, how to use a boat

and how to fish, and use a life preserver.

We can say, "Oh, every time, I will go with my child. And I will keep the gate locked

so the ocean can't be reached." But a curious child, once on a boat and knowing that

freedom, will find a way to climb that fence. Far better to teach our children to sail

safely, yes?

If they stay in the garden, it's all the same. If they go to sea, we are still good

parents.

Because regardless, the ocean will be there. It's never ever going away

> I'm interested if only because I'm still not sure what you were asking.

Neither am I, the journalist in question wasn't being all that specific. I think it's more a brainstorming thing.

>>30531

FORMATTING

>>30535

I strongly recommend not giving a fuck

>>30531

That's pretty sound advice. I think something that lots of kids these day miss out on is interactions with adults. In the past, before the stranger danger days, the communities were much more tight nit, and kids could bounce around town, seeing what everyone was up to. If someone treated them bad, they would tell their parents, and they would deal with that. Now people are bound and determined to not have kids have any bad experiences at all, lest the town drunk that chewed them out scars them for life. Instead, they are babied until they are either eighteen or chafe under their parents authority until they act out enough for the parents to stop caring, and they are tossed into a world they were sheltered from and have no idea how to handle. Parents don't even make an attempt to raise their children to be well rounded.

That doesn't answer the question of what the international community can do though.

>>30543

> That's pretty sound advice. I think something that lots of kids these day miss out on is interactions with adults.

Yeah, and coming from that person it's delivered with integrity.

I very much agree; peer-attachment as the only type of social contact, is a problem in the sense that it becomes insular, an echo-chamber, and only contributes to a mentality of polarization - US against THEM - and neither "side" understand one another or even have an interest in bridging gaps.

> That doesn't answer the question of what the international community can do though.

I'm suspecting it's either a mental judo or curveball trick meant to provoke reframing / recontextualization of the underlying issues.

>>30531

>>30543

>>30545

So it was a cliche, often simply dismissed appeal to tradition that has no bearing on the current state of pedophilia at all?

Should've just been selling NAMBLA shirts at the hearing, at least people would have bothered to care for that.

Credit to self-delusional armchair activists for blowing up an opportunity and then tossing it out with the most contrived, overused responses they could spasm out of their limited grey matter.

>>30547

This is a good example of why MAPs should be given free mental healthcare.

Please stay away from minors.

>>30549

Exactly, mental ills like compulsive narcissism are rampant in pretentious idiots who feign intelligence by citing random historical events.

Much like we keep the mentally disabled separated from general society, so should the dullards who parrot outdated ideas be barred from being anywhere near other human beings.

>>30551

You add nothing.

Except exposing an unwillingness to cooperate with an established and well-renowned organisation, the UN.

Everything you say is reflective of your own dysfunctions.

I wish you the best, and hope for your life to change to the better, where you can face your own issues and start working towards healing.

In the meantime, your behaviour here has only served to convince me that it is futile to discuss anything of importance on chans or unmoderated forums, where people have not first built up a reputation through contributing pseudonymously.

One would think that people would be mature and rational enough to get a grip, but no, the bitterness is obviously so strong that you lash out even towards your own who are trying to make a difference.

In conclusion, grow up.

>>30551

>pretentious idiots who feign intelligence

that sounds like all your tryhard posts tbh imo fam

i can see you tipping your fedora as you type dullard

>>30557

>grow up

Still think your version of whining is more mature? Nice long passive aggressive post there, narcissists do like to auto-fellate.

>>30558

>tbh imo fam

>fedora

This is the kind of person society should slaughter like cattle.

>>30566

>narcissists do like to auto-fellate.

A lot of people are using clinical psychiatric diagnosises as put-down words.

Which is inaccurate.

And no, I don't satisfy the requirements for being diagnosed with narcissism, in any way, rather the opposite I am capable of reflection and being self-critical.

Unlike you.

Again, you are projecting your own issues onto others like crazy.

And I have no interest in speaking with you any more. Please get help.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/RegularSessions/Session31/Documents/Children.doc

Afternoon panel

(3 - 6 p.m.)

Combating and preventing child sexual exploitation through ICTs – Role of ICTs, multi-stakeholders approach and good practices

Chair:

H.E. Mr. Choi Kyonglim, President of the Human Rights Council

Moderator:

Ms. Marta Santos Pais, Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Violence against Children

Panellists:

Mr. Cornelius Williams, Chief of Child Protection, United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF)

Prevention programmes of UNICEF on the ground

Mr. Håkon Fostervold Høydal, Senior feature writer, VG (Verdens Gang AS)

Profile (and location) of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation through ICTs

Mr. Michael Moran, Assistant Director, Vulnerable Communities, INTERPOL

Role of law enforcement agencies, investigation and prosecution – how law enforcement agencies identify and find the “real” victims

Ms. Brittany Smith, EU Policy Lead for Child Safety, Google Inc.

Role and actions of Google Inc. (and internet services providers) in combating and preventing child sexual exploitation through ICTs

Ms. Gaby Reyes, Founder and Director of Asociación Crecer en Red, Peru

Use of ICTs for prevention and empowerment of children – Latin-American perspective and good practices

Outcome:

The sharing of informed, fact-based and expert knowledge will provide concrete suggestions as to how the issue of information and communication technologies, while protecting the rights of the child, can be further integrated and mainstreamed in the United Nations agenda.

Mandate:

In its resolution 7/29 on the rights of the child adopted in March 2008, the Human Rights Council affirmed “its commitment to effectively integrate the rights of the child in its work and that of its mechanisms in a regular, systematic and transparent manner, taking into account specific needs of boys and girls” and “to incorporate into its programme of work sufficient time, at a minimum an annual full-day meeting, to discuss different specific themes on the rights of the child.” In this vein and on the basis of its resolution 28/19, the Human Rights Council decided to convene at its 31st session a panel discussion on ICTs and child sexual exploitation.

Format:

Opening statements and initial presentations by the panellists (estimated to take up 1 hour) will be followed by two rounds of an interactive discussion. The list of speakers for the discussion will be established at the beginning of the panel and, as per practice, statements by high-level dignitaries and groups will be moved to the beginning of the list. States and observers, including representatives of civil society, take the floor for a 2-minute intervention each (total 45 minutes), followed by responses from panellists (15 minutes). A second round of interventions from the floor (45 minutes) will be followed by responses and concluding remarks from the panellists (15 minutes). To make the panel interactive, speakers are encouraged to focus their interventions on the themes of the panellists either by asking questions to the panellists or sharing relevant national experience. The panel discussion will be advertised on social media and children will be encouraged to actively participate in the debate by sending in their comments. The moderator will moderate the discussion between the panellists and make closing remarks.

Interpretation will be provided in the six United Nations official languages (Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish).

Background:

ICTs, the Internet and the so-called new, digital and / or social media are part of children’s daily lives. More and more children are increasingly relying on them to learn, engage, participate, play, work or socialize. However, along with these opportunities, risks and harmful practices have also emerged, such as exposure to violent images, abuse material, new forms of bullying and harassment, more risks of sexual solicitation or online grooming, and facilitation of sexual exploitation. The main challenge is how to keep a balance in protecting children without restricting the benefits they can have through the Internet and ICTs. It is therefore important to review the impacts that new ways of communication are having on children, in order to empower them to make the best use of the online environment.

Benefits and risks of ICTs vary across the different regions and according to age, sex, socio-economic status, cultural context or disabilities. One of the key challenges is how to ensure equal accessibility to ICTs for all children, and how to address differences in the quality and ways of accessing them. Moreover, a number of United Nations stakeholders are conducting research, producing thematic reports, and are organising awareness raising activities on the impact of ICTs on children’s rights as well as the challenges and opportunities they entail. Additionally, they develop initiatives and good practices to empower children through ICTs, and reflect on measures on how to prevent and protect them from abuse, violence and exploitation.

Background documents:

Human Rights Council resolution 28/19 “Rights of the child: towards better investment in the rights of the child”

Report of the OHCHR on information and communications technology and child sexual exploitation (A/HRC/31/34)

ICT = Internet Communications Technologies

>>30570

Call an insecure turd a narcissist, and how does he try to deflect it?

He praises himself like he's Jesus's cock and then doubles down on the passive aggressive sperging.

Get that delusive cock out of your mouth before you choke on it, chum.

You're a self-absorbed narcissist who gets a kick out of pretending you know shit, and that's a hard fact.

Also Mr. Moran of the INTERPOL

So much kek

>>30575

What's so funny about a cop that'd you'd misuse the word kek like that? Is that some sort of unhealthy fixation?

You know, even if I were all those things you seem to wish me to be in order to just spout shit, I would still be trying to do something constructive.

Because I think trying, is a heck of a lot better than just sitting on my arse, compulsively trolling others out of sheer dissatisfaction with my life.

Get out more, enjoy life, and realize that even though we are hated by many, some normies are actually quite kind and accepting.

And are willing to be your friend.

Trust me on that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImotZtVkQRE

>>30581

But you're not actually doing anything, you're regurgitating points that have been shot down years ago.

I give props to those who give a shit and do stuff, but when you 're working down a road that leads nowhere, and you still throw in effort into something that's effectively useless, it just proves you're petty.

So petty and full of yourself that you work towards something knowing you're wasting your time, all so you can pat yourself on the back and feel good pretending you've contributed to something. And that's a pitiful existence.

Or you're really deluded or stupid and actually think your actions benefit anything but your own ego.

>>30582

>But you're not actually doing anything

I'm communicating. That is doing something.

Because you see, the range of issues in relation to MAPs is quite composite - and various groups have their partial views of what the "real" issue is.

Kind of like the fable of the five blind wise men and the elephant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

James Cantor's research is limited, in the sense that he is restricted to doing MRI on convicted child sexual offenders.

So his view of "the real issue", is probably influenced by child sexual offenders (who are caught and convicted) being stupid and / or having lowered inhibitions / dysfunctions / disorders.

He, Michael Seto, and Ray Blanchard are all operating in a climate influenced by the Rind controversy, in which politicians made it abundantly clear that any nuancing of pedophilia as other than a mental illness is unacceptable.

Which also happened with DSM-V, where they had to step back on clearly distinguishing between pedophilic disorder and pedophilia.

That in itself forces them to frame their research in the context of finding an explanation for the "illness".

It also influences the communication with the media for VirPed and Todd Nickerson, to play along with that framing of "the real issue", by for example arguing that MAPs need support and therapy to be able to cope with their "illness".

And Prevention Project Dunkelfeld in Germany, which is offering free therapy with full confidentiality?

They aren't officially publishing their BEDIT-manual (you have to ask them for it), in my view probably because it describes how their program involves active offenders.

Their youtube-channel is dancing around that issue, but yes, even people who have sex with children are not reported to the police.

Allegedly, it works.

And that is information that is valuable for people to be told about: Communication and Information in itself is creative and constructive.

I don't want a UN debate to be dominated by the asshat nazis from INTERPOL being sent there to argue on behalf of the NSA for stricter control over the internet, or the be-evil idi0ts from Jewgle promoting parental control features locking people down to their browser or making all traffic go through their servers, sniffing out personal information and getting teh advertising and marketing shekels from predictive analysis of that.

Nor do I want the only journalist invited to only focus on his results from tracking down a dozen Norwegian CP consumers who were stupid enough to buy CP on the clearnet.

Sure, he may chose not to convey the input he has been given.

I may be wasting my time, and that of others.

But I chose to not think so.

I chose to hope, and believe in others, and I especially chose to place my faith in a diverse communication.

Which the UN also does, in having all these different people attend the panel debate.

Also you should chill a little.

Have some Pink Floyd, "Keep Talking".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZxm09G87E

Also there are some overarching concerns here.

What, in the current climate regarding pedophilia, would happen if the authorities were able to track down each and every pedophile?

Surprise, they have had the capability of passively tracking down CP consumers on the clearnet since 2013.

Previously, they had limited their arrests to people filling certain criterias, mostly having to do with ease of convictions, but with Playpen we saw a different development, where a nation-state law enforcement agency actively hacked the computers of people worldwide.

The public's ignorance and hatred of CP consumers / pedophiles as a group, is being exploited to set a precedent for breaking both international law and human rights.

This should have been an issue for the United Nations to address.

>>30583

Armchair activism huh? Whatever floats your boat then. Not like hoping really hard or one journalist in a sea of antis will make any difference though.

>>30584

After the past two days of shitfitting, that's hilarious coming from you.

I am in no way perfect, and I most certainly have my issues.

I find it most interesting to reflect upon how many people do have issues, and how many are trying to hide and cover up their issues, instead of talking about them and admitting to themselves that they are not always in full control of their actions and reactions, opinions and emotions, thoughts and desires.

And it is fascinating to think about how much people influence one another, and how much the environment and one's own position in life plays apart to either build someone up, or break them down.

Unfortunately, finding appropriate and usefull therapy isn't easy - or even affordable, for many.

We do, however, have the internet, and we can try and make sense of things and talk anonymously with others, and read up on mental health issues.

Even online therapy is available, for those who find it difficult to talk about things in person.

This one for example, seems interesting: http://www.carrienet.com/insecurity/

I'm sorry that we arrived at such an impasse. I'll think about how that can better be avoided, in future exchanges.

Take care,

Lyta

There should be a Godwins law for when one side of an argument starts questioning the others mental health.

As a participant in a discussion becomes more and more deranged, the likelihood that another participant will question the former's mental health approaches 1.

When harsh accusations and vicious insults are included in every post someone makes, posters are going to start thinking that person is a bit strung out.

>>30699

>>30699

>There should be a Godwins law for when one side of an argument starts questioning the others mental health.

Dude, I know, it drives me absolutely bonkers!

>>30701

>When harsh accusations and vicious insults are included in every post someone makes, posters are going to start thinking that person is a bit strung out.

Well then every post on /younglove/ would be from a nutcase now wouldn't it?

>>30707

>Well then every post on /younglove/ would be from a nutcase now wouldn't it?

No, socially and emotionally well-adapted people don't constantly edgelord it up.

I get that you feel the heat from being hated upon so massively, but I am not and therefore I can try and get a grip and help contribute instead of being delusional and think that I have magic powers of persuasion that can be applied to sabotage the UN by social engineering or psyops or voodoo-magic or whatever.

>>30709

>hated upon so massively

>delusional

Whos edging who now? I don't even know what half of your post is trying to say, but you sound like just as much of a cunt as anyone else here.

>>30710

Thank you for contributing to clarify the compulsive obsessiveness to "win" a debate.

I really cannot help you, and I somewhat doubt that anybody can help you, at this point in time.

You seem to be hell-bent on making others dislike you, simply because you have come to self-loathe.

I don't loathe myself, and I recommend that you please try to like your Self a little, too. It can only help make you more agreeable and easier to be around AFK.

>>30711

What the fuck are you talking about? It sounds to me like you're the one stuck on some post from way back when. For someone commenting about the quality of the posts here, making people dislike you and others being deluded, you're not making a good case for yourself either.

>>30711

>>30713

Wait, I'm reading the thread. You're one of the guys above making a fuss but too autistic to let it die down once it's going nowhere. You're literally doing everything you think shouldn't be done. Playing the mental heath card, not letting up an argument after many days, filling your posts with nothing but toxicity… You are a true hypocrite and one of the shitposting cunts here.

>>30714

I'm sorry, I honestly truly am.

I wish I were a better person, and that you liked me more, but I guess that was never meant to be.

Maybe if I tried harder to be more like you, people would like me more and things would be better.

>>30715

I can't tell if that's sarcasm meant as an insult or an oddly worded apology, but it still feels overly negative.

>>30716

>I can't tell if that's sarcasm meant as an insult or an oddly worded apology, but it still feels overly negative.

I know, life is confusing and it can be very difficult to tell what other specimens of one's species is saying, at times.

Hugs and kisses though!

>>30707

Yea, I would be inclined to agree with that. Just about every poster here seems to be a dysfunctional antisocial dickhead.

>>30710

He's saying that as a pedophile, you face a massive amount of hate directed at pedophiles, of course you're probably not outed as a pedophile, but even so, we all still feel that hate towards people like us. People who get marginalized by society usually tend to become antisocial, and sometimes that can manifest as a general hatred directed back at everyone else.

>You are a true hypocrite and one of the shitposting cunts here.

The level of projecting you've been consistently engaged in has to be consciously intentional. You've been viciously attacking every other poster here. You are being the shitposting cunt here, anon.

>>30720

No, I think that he, like you, are still stuck in the midst of some kind of grudge match with someone else who's troubled you in the past. And if you're going to take it out wildly pointing fingers, then don't pretend you're anything more than another petty shitposter. Yes, you are a cunt, no amount of deflection changes that.

>>30719

this X10

>>30721

Unless you aren't >>30714 no one has even come close to the amount of bile you've been spewing across multiple threads, anon. And once again, you are the one projecting YOUR deflection by not directly addressing the main point of my post, and YOU are the one pointing fingers at every poster who replies to you as being a cunt or an autist or a this or that.

There's going to be a point in your life when there's just no one left to scream at.

>>30724

>The self-loathing antics here are wildly entertaining.

It's good that you are entertained.

I must confess I draw a mild sense of amusement from our exchange, myself.

Even better though, you are obviously intently listening, given how you analyze my posts - and add valuable criticism to them, thank you!

Now, on the subject of "getting help", I don't necessarily refer to sitting down on your butt for an hour at the cost of 100 USD for a professional therapist who desperately tries to hide how she loathes you and just consider you sick, I'm more talking about the help that is everyday acceptance by others, and that can help you perhaps accept and love yourself a bit more.

Surprisingly enough, people involved with privacy rights movements, transsexuals, and police officers I have found to be the most laid back when it comes to discussing such matters.

Up to you, of course.

I would just hate for you, or anybody, to work themselves into such a bitterness that they ended up thinking that the entire world hated them and everybody should just die already.

That way lies madness, and you are clearly way too smart for that.

Besides, you have your entire youth ahead of you. Use it well, go to college, have a fun time with friends and become a handsome, charming young man.

>>30723

>no one has even come close to the amount of bile

You've done that in two posts with your hostile overreactions.

>addressing the main point

There was no main point in that post. You twisted someone elses post into a mental health statement to make more thinly veiled insults. No different from any other shitposter here. And a cunt move that earns you designation as a cunt.

Your entire post pits me as a shitposter caricature you've encountered prior, and even if it were true, that's a lousy take on your part because you've let him get to your head. It gets much worse when you use that assumption as a crutch to hide from being called out of your bullshit, you secondary troll.

Okay then, panel-debate over.

Seems Haakon used at least part of Shava Nerad's answer:

—

http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=17167&LangID=E

Concluding Remarks:

…

HAKON FOSTERVOLD HOYDAL, Senior Feature Writer at Norwegian daily Verdens Gang, said that children should be empowered to regain control of their stories. The Internet was all around everyone, and it was the sea in which children were swimming. Children had to be taught to swim in it and not to drown.

—

Yes, *that* Shava, founding director of the TOR project.

A very nice lady indeed, you might consider supporting her, for the sake of her being a very nice lady and for having sensible answers: https://www.patreon.com/shava23?ty=h

>>30402

>TICK-TOCK, days are going by and we have an opportunity to at least offer our point of view

>>30940

> http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=17167&LangID=E

>HAKON FOSTERVOLD HOYDAL, Senior Feature Writer at VG (Verdens Gang AS), described a reporting project he had undertaken with a data security analyst where the end result was to confront men who were downloading child abuse material. After a few weeks, the reporting team had in total 95,000 IP addresses worldwide which had downloaded child abuse material. The reporters then started working to identify the men behind those addresses, he said, underlining that they were all men. They found the names of 78 Norwegians. Ten of those were confronted using hidden cameras and microphones. All were truly shocked that they had been found. Their talk with the reporters was the first time any of them had had to explain their actions, and until they were confronted, no-one had stopped them and asked those “rather ordinary guys” what they were doing. Today, perpetrators and abusers thought they were invisible online. But the reporters’ project had shown that they could be identified. Mr. Hoydal said that there needed to be a presence of what he called “normal people” on the sites that he had mentioned, so as to refuse abusers the right to create a room where abusive behaviour became the norm. If the film and music industry could successfully lobby for the right to track people who were illegally downloading movies and music, he asked why that right could not also be given in order to secure children’s human rights. “We need to let them know they can be seen,” he said, adding that the wake-up call could be a warning letter in their mailbox letting them know that their IP address had done something it shouldn’t.

>Mr. Hoydal said that there needed to be a presence of what he called “normal people” on the sites that he had mentioned.

>If the film and music industry could successfully lobby for the right to track people who were illegally downloading movies and music, he asked why that right could not also be given in order to secure children’s human rights.

I don't see the bit where this guy is interested in our "point of view".

Bullshit thread is bullshit.

>>30998

>I don't see the bit where this guy is interested in our "point of view".

I worry about you anon, I really do.

It seems you think the world owes you something, that everything should be just so that it satisfies you perfectly, and caters to your every whim.

I don't expect a journalist to sit at a convention at the UN and argue any one point of view of some of the many disparate groups of minor-attracted people.

No, I expect him to use of his limited time to focus on how children, which is one single much more easily defineable group, can be protected and hopefully at the same time have their rights respected.

This time, he did not cover that later, but crucial part.

What kind of people do we make, when we raise them by disregarding their rights?

When we don't respect them?

For example, in cultures where post-natal circumcision is a tradition, rape is also rampant.

And in cultures where natal circumcision is common, autism and an excessive use of Viagra is common.

We are not very good at recognizing children's rights, and I think that needs to change, if we want to raise ethically aware people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/circumcision-of-young-boys-is-not-a-right/2013/12/25/62f8aed0-5c3e-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html

And I think only a dialogue can help with that, because no man is an island, iron hones iron and one man reflects the image of another.

We are all in this together and it's a good thing that a journalist is communicating with somebody who isn't just focused on feeling sorry for himself, or has gone bonkers agitating for abolishing the AoC.

This is a process.

And just because one does not succeed 100% in an empirically provable way at the first attemt, doesn't make that process any less valuable, or any less effective.

In time, with access to information, with carefull consideration, things tend to change to the better.

I only need to point to all the rest of the development regarding individual sexual rights, access to health-care, and most importantly, creating an environment where one can talk about matters.

This is Norwegian television, for children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PeQG61W4i0

Swedish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd22--XZ31c

And I don't think we need to mention Denmark or nudist beaches.

Point is, this is one of the regions in the world where the rights of the child, to information and other aspects, are being seriously considered.

Spearhead-nations, if you will.

And for you to piss on a process like that, only because it doesn't provide you with the immediate verifiable results that you crave in a few weeks time, completely ignoring the potential existence of all communication that you are not privy to but probably happens behind the scenes, is premature at best.

Attention-craving at worst.

Be well, little troll.

Also I recommend you read this:

ALL HAIL SCANDINAVIA

Are These the World’s Most Graphic Sex-Ed Videos?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/14/are-these-the-world-s-most-graphic-sex-ed-videos.html

>>31003

>It seems you think the world owes you something

It seems you read way too much into anonymous posts on the internet. You appear to be obsessed with other people's personality defects, maybe you should pay attention to your own paranoia.

> I only need to point to all the rest of the development regarding individual sexual rights, access to health-care, and most importantly, creating an environment where one can talk about matters.

Did you point Hakon to any of this?

> And for you to piss on a process like that

I'm pissing on a thread that started with an excited call to arms, passed through vague motivational speak, pasta and an autistic flamewar/mutual psychiatric evaluation mostly driven by OP himself (who I assume is you), then ended with this supposedly amazing, open-minded journalist sounding like a total uninfluenceable anti anyway.

Seriously, copyright lawyers as CP police? State-sponsored trolling of pedo forums? >>30390 was right.

Dead ends are only "valuable" and "effective" if you recognize them quickly and divert your energy elsewhere. You seem to have put a lot of energy into this. It's a shame to see it go to waste.

>>31034

>Seriously, copyright lawyers as CP police? State-sponsored trolling of pedo forums? >>30390 was right.

He's throwing a couple of more-or-less well-thought-out ideas out there, granted, but in my view that only shows that he isn't content with simply parroting the official line of Interpol or other key actors, but wants to consider the issues from other angles as well…

>I'm pissing on a thread that started with an excited call to arms, passed through vague motivational speak,

… which is why HE contacted ME, and asked for input on this issue.

And normal people talking with pedophiles is *exactly* what the Virteous Pedophiles crew on twitter (https://twitter.com/hashtag/talkwithpedophiles ) and medium (https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-pedophilia/of-pedophilia-and-child-molestation-50fb042a46d#.ihyuk5po3 ) recommends.

Like it or not, VirPed is the only group of maps who have succeeded in gaining the support of academia AND to an extent, that of media.

People listen, and isn't that what we want?

>Dead ends are only "valuable" and "effective" if you recognize them quickly and divert your energy elsewhere. You seem to have put a lot of energy into this. It's a shame to see it go to waste.

Nobody is preventing you from suggesting what you think would work, or explaining how it is better than communicating with the media and trying to share information and open up a dialogue.

Which I find exciting: If I establish a report, next I can write a small rebuttal, and then perhaps after that I write a longer piece based on for example how we tend to conjure up fancy images of our "enemies" based on simply repeated hearsay, such as the Dog-headed People of old: http://www.gods-and-monsters.com/cynocephalus.html

Also I'm weirdly feeling a little bit like Mr. Rogers here, trying to explain how it is important to communicate that feelings and desires are talkable, and managable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q

>>31038

…oh.

… ohhh, I think I get it now. You're involved with the Virps yourself, aren't you? Is that why this guy, a journalist with a pet project to doorstep CP leechers, is willing to ask you, a pedo, *how to protect kids online*? Is that why you're so convinced it's worth whispering in his ear? That conversations only you (conveniently) are privy to could change the context of his public statements? Because his ideas aren't as incompatible with your own as the rest of us reading this thread?

Have automated software track down CP users, spam out warning letters to every IP it finds with minimal human investigation. "You've been rumbled, three strikes and we're calling the cops, but friendly 'help' is on hand! virped.org". Doesn't matter if someone innocent gets one, they're only being led to virped and their buddies in the psych industry. Only deluded "pro-contacters" have to fear a shrink and the thin line between "help" and "control".

Troll all the CP sites. Troll some "pro-contact" discussion boards too. Can't let them have a platform, they give us a bad name. Never mind the slippery slope, It'll never hurt us.

*cough*

So, facetiousness aside, amirite? Ami? This entire thread suddenly makes complete sense if iam, and I suspect neither of us will be convincing the other of anything.

UN is a world government

>>31049

I am sorry that you feel hurt.

I don't, however, and that enables me to relate to the normies in a less hostile or confrontational setting.

I thank the women in my life, that I have come clean to, several of which are my friends and are okay with me being attracted to minor age girls as long as I don't do anything wrong.

To address the gist of what you are concerned with, yes I think having "normal" people chat with pedophiles / minor-attracted persons, isn't bad.

I think it may actually be constructive.

For the rest of your suspicions, I would like to close on the note that I am actually conversing with ppl who can publish stuff should they so choose, and well we just have to hope that some viewpoints may be addressed.

Also this, because we can't know what the future will be, but we can still have hope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxoVRTwlNg