Cherrio pedo friends~★''!'' Today I'd like to show you these academic paper I've found. You can read the abstract to the first at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24948422 , but the article itself, __Stigmatization of people with pedophilia: two compara

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Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 01:31:18 No.30392

Cherrio pedo friends~★! Today I'd like to show you these academic paper I've found. You can read the abstract to the first at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24948422 , but the article itself, Stigmatization of people with pedophilia: two comparative surveys., is behind a paywall. A paywall that I have a key too through my school and you probably don't, but I'm not going to post the full PDF because I'm afraid it's watermarked and I don't want to get Aaron Swartz'd. Instead, I'll just post the relevant parts.

I'll summarize: this paper discusses a survey that was taken to sample how society views pedophiles and what they want done with us. Tthey were very clear that the hypothetical pedophile in question had never molested or hurt a child'. There were two sample groups. The first was taken in person from two German cities, an the second was from the English-speaking Internet recruited via Amazon's mechanical turk.

This image is of the first survey results. Interesting results for percentage of people that who, with percentage uncertain in parenthesis, …

… think it is possible to choose to be a pedo: 26.18% (16.00%)

… think we actively chose to be a pedo: 30.20% (15.32%) [how is this higher than the previous? Oh right, because they are thinking with their feels instead of with logic, got it]

… are angry at all: 84.11% (10.19%) [how do you be uncertain if you are angry or not?]

… are afraid of us: 62.50% (4.30%) [so 66.8% of the population is definitely pissed at us… fuck].

… would be willing to be our friends: 8.37% (7.08%) [thx guys]

… would be willing to talk to us: 38.70% (16.16%) [by far the best statistic in the section]

… think we should be imprisoned: 38.70% (11.83%) [So 50.53% percent of people are receptive to locking us all up just for existing]

… think we should be killed: 13.69% (9.52%) [;___;]

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 01:44:15 No.30393

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This image is of the second survey results. Even more discouraging than the last, but remember that it was taken online, where people are more ready to be mean.

… think it is possible to choose to be a pedo: 44.28% (17.91%) greater on both

… think we actively chose to be a pedo: 48.18% (18.41%) greater on both

… are angry at all: 83.58% (5.47%) fewer angry at us by a percentage, and less uncertain people

… are afraid of us: 59.20% (10.45%) fewer are certainly angry at us, but more are uncertain

… would be willing to be our friends: 4.76% (6.97%) only half as many would be our friend

… would be willing to talk to us: 14.76% (8.96%) fewer would talk to us

… think we should be imprisoned: 48.57% (18.41%) more certainly want us imprisoned, and more are receptive to the idea

… think we should be killed: 26.67% (14.43%) more want us killed and more are receptive to the idea

Keep in mind that the surveys were very clear that the hypothetical pedophile here had never molested a child and was completely non-offensive. Even still, only 1 in 20 would be our friend and a huge minority want us either imprisoned or dead. What the fuck normies? I would have guessed this would have been the case with rapist or molesters, but nor for non-offenders.

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 01:56:06 No.30394

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The second article I'm going to post about is at http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0439-3?no-access=true . Once again, it is behind a paywall, so I'll just post what I'm referring too. This article is Punitive Attitudes Against Pedophiles or Persons With Sexual Interest in Children: Does the Label Matter?, which addresses two things that I care about. The first closely related to the first article, and the second thing is about how people react to the word "pedophile" versus other phrases that mean the same thing. There were two surveys, just like the first article had, but each survey here had two sample groups, the first was asked questions using the word "pedophile", the second was asking using the phrase "people with a sexual interest in children" or something like that.

This is the page that is important because of the right column. Those are the questions asked in the survey.

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 02:02:46 No.30395

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This page is important because of the table at the top. Unfortunately there is no complete breakdown of the question-by-question results here. The important number is in the M column. Closer to 0 means fully disagree, closer to 7 means fully agree. The SD (standard deviation), is how "dense" the answers were around the mean.

Results here:

Pedos are dangerous: strong agree

People sexually attracted to children are dangerous: strong agree

Pedos choose to be pedos: mild disagree

People sexually attracted to children to be attracted to children: mild disagree

Pedos are deviants: very strong agree

People sexually attracted to children are very strong: strong agree

Pedos should be punished harshly: strong agree

People sexually attracted to children should be punished harshly: strong agree

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 02:07:21 No.30396

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Moar data. This is the second survey. It was taken in the US. It is slightly different, as it contains a social desirability component, but it is not shown in the article that I can find. It is probably the same thing as the last article had (as these are both published in the same volume of this journal) though.

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 02:20:37 No.30397

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Important things on this page, but I'll copy-paste them too.

>Despite some nuances, two studies provide consistent support for the ideas that(a) people harbor immense punitive attitudes against people with pedophilia even if they never committed an act of sexual abuse and (b) this effect is exacerbated by the label ‘‘pedophilia’’ compared to more descriptive terms.

The paper says that the term "pedo" is judged more harshly than "people with a sexual interest in children", but I'm not seeing it that strongly. The numbers were almost the same. Of course, the whole thing makes me quite sad and discouraged. The fact that half the population agrees with things like "Pedophiles should be castrated", and "Known pedophiles should be sentenced to death as deterrence" when explicitly told that they were law abiding pedophiles kinda ruins my enthusiasm for the 1.4% increase in gentleness that changing the word around would bring.

>As another important empirical finding, punitive attitudes were not only predicted by this perceived association but also incrementally and uniquely by the perceived intentionality of the desire and (in one of the two studies) its deviance. This suggests thatthe confusion between sexualdesire and actuallikelihood to commit CSA is only part of the story in explaining the wish to punish people with such a desire: the belief that sexual interest in children is a self-chosen desire predicts punitiveness above and beyond the contribution of seeing a risk of sexual abuse. It is thus clearly the desire itself and not just its assumed negative consequences that evokes a desire for punishment.

Normies are pretty confident that we are destined to be rapists anyway, but they aren't really concerned about that. They are instead butthurt because they think that we woke up one day and actively choose to be one of the the most hated groups on earth.

>These findings have important implications as they not only add to the evidence that stigmatization of people with pedophilia is alarmingly widespread

Hihihihi, really mane? If you wanted to know if pedos were hated, you didn't need a research grant to find that out! I think the jury has pretty much decided that one a long time ago.

And that's it. Discuss.

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 02:33:22 No.30398

>>30395

Actually, I need to make a correction on this. It is based from [1-7], not [0-6] like I was thinking. That puts the median at 4 instead of 3. Adjust everything down.

New values:

Pedos are dangerous: mild agree

People sexually attracted to children are dangerous: mild agree

Pedos choose to be pedos: disagree

People sexually attracted to children to be attracted to children: disagree

Pedos are deviants: very strong agree

People sexually attracted to children are deviant: strong agree

Pedos should be punished harshly: mild agree

People sexually attracted to children should be punished harshly: mild agree

Well, that's better, but still too much agreement in a category where "Pedophiles should be preemptively taken into custody" is an option for my comfort.

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 23:23:07 No.30409

You're losing me here, what with the commentary intertwined with the data analysis(though I'm not exactly interested in reading walls of data properly either).

Could you just put up a tldr so that lazy people like me would be bothered enough to put down a comment? The thread's dead in the water if not.

Anonymous 02/22/16 (Mon) 23:59:04 No.30411

>>30409

No problem.

first one

- People hate pedophile

- People hate pedophiles even when asked about ones that don't molest children

- People think that pedos choose to be pedos

- A majority of people would not associate with pedos who don't molest

- A majority would have non-offending pedos be imprisoned

- A large minority want non-offending pedos dead

Now the important one:

- The amount of hate and fear they feel towards pedos is linked more to how strongly they feel pedos choose to be pedophiles

second one

- People still hate pedophiles and want them to die

- People hate people who are sexually attracted to children, but slightly less when not called pedophiles

- Article claims that phrasing it different to avoid pedophile is

- I disagree that the difference was pronounced enough to claim that

TL;DR of TL;DR:

shit sux and people hate us no matter what we do or what we call ourselves

Anonymous 02/23/16 (Tue) 03:12:06 No.30433

It's really discouraging to see that.

But i'm optimistic.

We have internet! Say it to the people you can: I'm pedophile, not a molester.

Anonymous 02/23/16 (Tue) 03:51:15 No.30435

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>>30411

That's really fucked up. What the fuck do they want from us? Jesus Christ, sorry for having the audacity to be born.

Anonymous 02/23/16 (Tue) 10:35:03 No.30443

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Most people abhor pedophiles because they are unable to separate pedophilia from sex with children. It's just like the inability for most people to separate heterosexuality from the act of fucking someone of the opposite sex. Ever noticed when a heterosexual male who chooses not to pursue women are often looked at as something else(gay) or just unable to do so?

The vast majority of the population and even some pedos believe that sex is not good for very young children. Until more people can separate a sexual attraction from a sexual act, pedophilia's intense stigma can't go away.

Anonymous 02/23/16 (Tue) 19:13:47 No.30454

>>30443

Or until people get over the bullshit sex is bad for childrens.

Anonymous 02/23/16 (Tue) 22:45:14 No.30458

>>30411

No surprise there. How big of a difference in response for the second section though? The part about phrasing it different?

Anonymous 02/24/16 (Wed) 18:58:24 No.30470

>>30443

If I understood right, it shows that it isn't the sex with kids that normies hate, actually, it was thinking we chose it.

Anonymous 02/25/16 (Thu) 02:36:29 No.30477

>>30458

Right, so the answers were given on a scale from "Strongly disagree", "disagree", "slightly disagree", "neutral", etc… Those are coded into numbers 1-7, and the average is taken.

When asking questions about pedophiles, the average for questions in the punitive attitudes category among the US survey is 4.42, which is about halfway between neutral and mild agree, while questions about "people with a sexual interest in children" is 4.07, closer to neutral to mild agree, but still erring to agreement.

While that is some progress, we are talking about a survey with questions like "Non-offending pedophiles should be preemptively incarcerated\put to death". An 8% decrease in a person's likelihood to agree to that when phrased "Non-offending people with a sexual interest in children should be preemptively incarcerated\put to death" doesn't thrill me. That number should be around 1.5 before I'm comfortable.

Anonymous 02/25/16 (Thu) 02:44:58 No.30478

>>30477

But these are averages, no? And for polarising inputs like these, a median or even percentage breakdown would give a better picture. Didn't they break down the number of participants who chose each opinion category? I don't think you can confidently claim an absolute figure like 8% because the averages do not represent the proportion of positive to negative responses.

Anonymous 02/25/16 (Thu) 03:13:44 No.30479

>>30478

The study wasn't really about knowing how the public felt, it was about knowing how the public's feelings were correlated with their other feelings, so they don't go into details about the specific opinions.

Never the less, I can claim absolute figures. 8% is just (1-(4.42/4.07)), which is the difference between the two averages for each phrasing.

It does give the standard deviation though, which gives a measure of how "packed" the answers were around the mean.

For a best case scenario where the responses are skewed one way or another, by Chebyshev's inequality, I can say that 50% of responses are within sqrt(2) standard deviations from the mean. The stddev is 1.15 for the pedo phrasing, so at least 50% of respondents were within 1.62 points of the mean, for a range of [2.8, 6.04], or [mild disagree, agree]. Still erring on the side of agreement. Worse, if the distribution approximates Standard-Normal, the range, through lots of tedious calculations, could be brought even narrower around the mean. A stddev of 1.15 is not a lot.

With that in mind, the stddev is higher for the "sexual interest in children" phrasing, so responses were more volatile there, but stddev=1.24 is still not a lot. If it were purely random, the stddev should be 3.5 for a 7 valued question, and the stddev is an exponential function.

Anonymous 02/25/16 (Thu) 05:04:27 No.30480

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>>30479

Shame, then. Can't say I was really optimistic to begin with, but still.

Anonymous 02/25/16 (Thu) 06:07:07 No.30481

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>>30470

No, they DO hate sex with kids while being unable to differentiate the attraction from the acts.

Aryan Lolicon 02/25/16 (Thu) 19:21:23 No.30488

the full paper is here somewhere i believe:

https://philiaresearch.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/stigmatization-of-pedophilia/

Aryan Lolicon 02/25/16 (Thu) 19:24:52 No.30489

>>30393

I've opened up to my closest friends about me being a paedophile. Since we were best friends at the time (and still are) they were supportive. So I think that most, if not a lot of people arent going to throw away a friendship that already exists if they found of their friend was a paedophile, but wouldnt form a friendship with someone they knew was a paedophile.