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 No.13968[Reply]

Post the last book(s) you have read. It would be nice if you add a synopsis or review as well, but it's not a requirement. Just seeing a snapshot of what other image-board anons are reading is itself awesome.

New feature for 2018! This thread is set to Cycle mode. Here's to a forever book reading thread.

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 No.15157

>>15120

>make up your mind

You're not free if your neighbor has enslaved you through drugs.

>living in caves, eating natural organic…

Wew lad. We were talking about the philosophy, way to take it to a whole new field. How far are you gonna move that goal post?

>we wuz wakanda n shit

What they have now is way better than the shit they used to live in before the white man showed them what's what.

>Mao's circle…

By purge I meant the hilarious starvation cycle they had to go through that wiped out 200 million of their insect """"people"""". Purge wasn't a good word of choice, to be honest.




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 No.908[Reply]

Greetings fellow /lit/erati!

Here are the rules:

1. Follow the Global Rules.

2. Try to keep things literature related.

3. No spamming.

4. No illegal content.

Guidelines and FAQ: https://8ch.net/lit/oddsandends.html

That is all.

Let your minds and fingers roam free!

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 No.13773[Reply]

Are speed reading techniques legit or a waste of time/money?

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 No.13966

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>>13773

It's worth it but you have to be selective about what you speed read. I tend to speed read articles and other sources of information that I am not too concerned with, but deep read (and annotate) books that I feel are truly important. It's entirely up to your discretion, but it's never a bad thing to have another skill under your belt.


 No.13970

File: d452d013448e919⋯.jpg (69.96 KB, 390x470, 39:47, 1457491057181.jpg)

>>13966

>Hey! I didn't know your son's religious views were "on my knees to please".

Kek.


 No.13992

There are studies showing that speed reading is literally just slightly optimized skimming, and it's nowhere near a replacement for real reading unless you want to make huge sacrifices to your reading comprehension. It's really only worth it if you have to skim a lot of things for your job or whatever.


 No.14220

>>13773

theres a good book but its old and hard to find.

it basically talks about how to skim thru important information and how to take it in clumps.

speed reading is a meme, though. it only works if youre really captivated by a book


 No.15162

Skim reading is handy for reading a textbook the first time to get the gist of important parts. Then read it normally to retain.




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 No.15097[Reply]

Was Karl Marx an asshole?

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 No.15132

File: 72af3ab6c51ecec⋯.jpg (45.77 KB, 2048x1152, 16:9, Smug and wrong, Marx gloat….jpg)

>>15097

Yes.

>>15100

>Define asshole

He broke up the First International with his retarded authoritarian-socialist ideas.

Brilliant on many levels, but he would listen to Stirner or Bakunin and it screwed everything up.


 No.15133

*Wouldn't listen


 No.15138

>>15133

>>15132

Aren't you that lesbian trip fag who shitposts on /left(y)pol/?

>He broke up the First International with his retarded authoritarian-socialist ideas.

The First International would have eaten itself anyway.


 No.15159

>>15110

I meant it's still popular with the masses today. The west for example wouldn't have been embroiled in a messy and often times retarded politics its in today if it wasn't for Marx's retarded oppression ideas.


 No.15161

>>15159

Marx could have taken credit he didn't claim that others are and aren't people, but he, like so many others, did, so any politics are both fine and wrong by him.




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 No.14998[Reply]

I've started writing a fantasy novel technically a fanfiction since it's based on an existing universe and I need some input on tying together the core aspects of the different religions. The source I'm basing it on mentions very little of the religious lore which leaves me a lot of creative freedom, though it also tells enough that the concept of it greatly appealed to me.

Now I'm not asking for help regarding staying true to canon (it's also not a goal I'm pursuing with this novel), rather I need help at making it sound believable and interesting.

>Read the attached pictures first for the rest to make sense

The core idea is that the two brother's conflict is what keeps this universe together and I want to present them as either neutral, different kinds of evil or even evil vs good, depending on the reader. But in-universe I want to portray them as one side of the extreme, either the saviour or destroyer of mankind, depending on which religious follower you listen to.

But there's also a third brother which chooses to not engage the fight between his kin, since he understands that there needs to be a balance. However I don't want it to be too on the nose that I (as the author) am of the same opinion as him, I'd rather lead the reader to their own conclusion even if it's not necessarily the same as mine.

So I have two texts that I'll present without the context of the rest of the story (I'm only about 5,300 words deep). But I'll shortly mention that upon seeing the title of the book I write about in the second picture, the MC recalls the creation myth he was told by his masters and retells it for the purpose of the reader in the first image.

The first one is a creation mythos written from the perspective of an 'Innos' worshipper. My worry is that I present 'Adanos' in a too kind of a light and that I'm showing my bias for how I interpret the power balance. I try to amend this in the main characters thoughts/third person story telling that comes afterwards, but I feel like if it's meant to be written from the perspective of an 'Innos' worshipper, it would be slightly harsher on 'Adanos'. At the same time I can't leave him out of the creation mythPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.15148

>>14998

OP, make your religion(s) for the universe in full detail. Then write your story in that universe. The characters' actions should show their beliefs. No monologue or exposition should be needed except rarely and briefly.


 No.15151

>>15117

I've already changed all the names. The story and universe deviates so heavily that it's more like an inspiration at this point.

>>15148

What I've presented is pretty much the only exposition I (currently) plan to shove in the readers face so plainly.

I still need to work on fleshing out the deeper lore and mythos but my idea as I mentioned in a previous post is that the gods and religion people in my universe follow (there aren't different religions, only different interpretations of the same) is in actuality, false.

Many thousands of years ago three brothers managed to attain immortality and with it the time required to delve ever deeper into their study of the arcane. Eventually they individually became strong enough to single handedly overthrow whole kingdoms, and so they did. After many years their subjects eventually started to look up at them as almost god-like beings since they never aged and wielded awe-inspiring magick.

Then one of the brothers decided to abuse this and wrote a creation mythos of his own, with himself as the one true god. The brothers were split up and ruled a third of the world as their own kingdom, in order to not lose their footing and have people start worshipping their other brother, the other two created their own works of fiction which also they portrayed them as creators of the known universe.

My story taking place many thousands of years in the future with the three brothers having vanished (still not sure regarding the details, might just leave it vague) people have twisted and changed the stories so many times that nothing of the truth or even original fictitious stories remain. And so many different types of sects, faiths and beliefs have sprouted, but they all base it on the same three brothers. There aren't really any 'none-believers', at most some might feel apathetic towards the stories of gods.

I don't plan to have an atheistic tips fedora storyline, I'll leave the acPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.15154

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>>15151

>Some more details on how I want to write the universe/religion

So my plan is to have the generally accepted creation mythos be the one in the attached image. Some people might side more with either Aldhanos or Iffanos, but they base their belief upon the same stories and believers don't generally hold a grudge towards each others.

Regardless, there are still cults that either follow different texts (though still based upon the three brothers) or simply interpret the 'mainstream' text in a different way. Some may be considered straight up heretical and deserving no more than death (from the main groups perspective) whilst some are only seen as 'simple minded' followers that no one should pay any heed to. The main religion rules the world and enforces a hard restriction upon magick where only those that have for many years worked as apprentices in a monastery and proven their faith and dedication to the gods are allowed to learn and study the arcane. This is largely to control the people and not have any random cults attempting to overthrow whole kingdoms.

My main character has in the past been wronged making him lose his trust in the good will of the church and is no longer truly devoted to the Gods. I still haven't thought of something concrete that also avoids dumb clichés such as his parents being slaughtered for being 'heretics'.

The main point I wish to get across is that the worlds magick is stifled by the laws of their beliefs and my main character joins a monastery not because he's a true believer, but rather because he wants to explore the strange realm of magick and in turn earn power for himself. For example the manipulation of nature, animals and death is completely forbidden and considered heresy as these are all practices which can be attributed to the dark God Braxir.

<I realize my ramblings might not be super interesting to everyone but it feels like I gain some better insight when I put my thoughts into words. And rather than just writing them into a document no one else will read, I may get some good suggestions and critique if instead it's posted here.

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 No.15158

>>14998

>The core idea is that the two brother's conflict is what keeps this universe together

Are you writing a fan fiction for Lost?


 No.15160

>>15158

>Are you writing a fan fiction for Lost?

It's loosely based on the universe from the games of Gothic but it on its own is very threadbare and they've even retconned things in the sequels.

But the thing you quoted is essentially the core of it, except that there's also a third brother that acts as the keeper of balance between the two. In the games it's heavily implied that the gods are actual gods but like I talked about in a few posts (like the one above your reply) this is not the route I wish to take with my universe.

In the end I've decided that what I'm writing is completely my own and instead to only draw from their universe as an inspiration rather than force myself to write within their limitations. I simply enjoy the core concepts of their fictitious religion.




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 No.15140[Reply]

Let's just do it. There's not gonna be a better time, anyway. No hurry, obviously.

 No.15143

I feel the fire

I feel the flame

They comfort me

We are the same


 No.15149

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 No.15150

>>15143

>>15149

He wears a mask

He has a plan


 No.15156

Working on a thing.




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 No.8458[Reply]

http://www.parentherald.com/articles/17911/20160128/the-winds-of-winter-release-date-update-george-rr-martin-book-nowhere-near-finished.htm

Hello everyone, I am a lazy fatass fuck. It takes me 7 fucking years to write a penny-dreadful, film-script based "novel". And it doesn't matter that it's my full time fucking job, literally the only thing I'm required to do, or that I jack off at 67 years of age by taking bum fuck vacations all over the world to live off the prestige of my now stagnate series that I can't fucking finish, that I'm constantly giving interviews and bullshit for the industry, and that I'm writing OTHER books that literally no one gives a fuck about. That's right, I'm not writing for the series that is the sole reason for all my fame and which everyone wants, no, I write other books that are truly shit and no one gives a fuck about. And when those that gave me all this money call me out on this shit, the best I can do is twiddle my fat fingers, flip them off and then whine on my blog about how ashamed I am of being a lazy fatass fuck. Oh, did I mention that I waste time playing videogames? I have all this responsibility, I'm 67 fucking years old and I waste time playing videogames, because that's really going to get the job done and get all these people off my back. Did I mention I'm a lazy fatass fuck?

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 No.15059

File: 51cd39a58939de7⋯.jpg (57.06 KB, 630x400, 63:40, George-RR-Martin-Maisie-Wi….jpg)

My name is GRRM, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day writing stupid ass words. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any prizes? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than watching my series.

Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I won the laziness championship, and was runner-up at pretending to be busy. What do you pretend to do, other than “actually write things”? I also get straight 5 stars’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She was just found squatting in the grass; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.


 No.15112

File: 6161909fe92d52b⋯.jpg (30.13 KB, 804x436, 201:109, 1471829128136.jpg)

>>15059

I HATE YOU TOO, YOU STUPID FATASSHOLE

https://www.bustle.com/p/winds-of-winter-is-still-not-finished-because-it-will-be-very-complex-according-to-george-r-r-martin-11985516

BOOK IS STILL IN PURGATORY BECAUSE YOU'RE SO FUCKING LAZY AND FAT AND RICH.

FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


 No.15128

>>15059

That's one ugly motherfucker Dude on the right looks cool though


 No.15141

pull the fucking typewriter out of your ass and start fucking typing


 No.15153

Thready reminder. That this guy is a hack and he stole every thing from appendix N.




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 No.15146[Reply]

I just downloaded it

What am I in for me /lit/

 No.15152

File: a6163bf87614ffe⋯.jpg (28.38 KB, 195x300, 13:20, Colorless_Tsukuru_Tazaki_a….jpg)

A lot of Murakami's books focus on spirits in the modern day as either a major point or side point. He uses it to create a surreal feeling to drive his plot across when having human interactions won't cut it. Personally, i enjoyed Kafka on the Shore but its a type of book you have to read over twice and then think about each chapter on how it relates to spirits.

Its alright. The more books you read, the more you'll notice his writing style which is kind of unique. Pic related would be a good book to read afterwards




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 No.15129[Reply]

Hey /lit/ is there something wrong with me? I’m getting bored of reading. I’m currently reading lord of the rings. I don’t know if I’m the problem or the book I’m reading

 No.15130

>>15129

You probably need a break from reading. Do something else for a change.


 No.15131

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

You probably need a break from computers


 No.15142

>>15131

>>15131

Good to see you migrate here

Quality is still shit but it's at least marginally better when actual discussion is being had


 No.15145

it's most likely the book

with books I hate I read 4-6 pages an hour and only "read" them for an hour or two. with books I love I read them almost 14 hours a day

either that or porn and video games have fried your brain and you've become addicted to quick dopamine surges


 No.15147

>>15129

plebe npc




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 No.14389[Reply]

What esoteric sci-fi novels would you recommend? Like The Incal, Dune, The Metabarons… you know, that kind of style? (I'd prefer they weren't graphic novels tho)

 No.14477

>>14389

>The Incal

more like The Incel


 No.14651

>>14389

the alchemist is very esoteric, but its not scifi


 No.14764

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 No.14767

What do you mean by esoteric exactly? High concept sci-fi?


 No.15136

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 No.14986[Reply]

Does any know any GOOD romance Books for men that aren't japanese comic books?

 No.14990


 No.15010

romance for men is generally an auxiliary "achievement", as such there are no true "romance" books for men. there are adventure, science fiction, historical books, fiction books, and romance does happen there but it is never the sole or even the main purpose of the male protagonist

hence anon's >>14990 suggestion that you visit /cuteboys/ instead


 No.15135

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>>14986

Serious answer.




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 No.14946[Reply]

How do we make this board more active? I want a place to talk about literature without having to go to the pretensions website that is reddit, or go on half/lit/ where it's full of Jordan Peterson threads.

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 No.15052

>>14956

Well, how about it?


 No.15056

>>15052

Everyone interested had their say. It's time.

>>14967

>>14968

Yes, a big point to the "What have your read?" threads. No one was looking for a right and proper NYT book review (or beat-down). Just a few comments on what people were actually reading made my day.

On that note, I'm planning to un-sticky the oldest thread: >>8441 so save a copy if you wish. The modern cyclic thread will remain stickied.

>>14950

>>14979

>>14967

>Reading is also too much of a time sink that anyone invested in it would probably read more rather than post here.

I'm willing to sticky such a book club thread.

Fair warning, I am not good book club membership material. Being most jealous of my reading time, plus an eclectic list of works vying for my attention, makes me an automatic washout. I also have a strong distaste for present day topical, a problem with real world book chat clubs. I doubt anyone will submit anything interesting enough to pull me away from my present readings: The Washington Pay-off and a biography of Cleopatra.

>>14960

We seem to do OK all things considered. Our board was busier in the past, I admit.

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 No.15074

>>15056

>Everyone who wants to be here is here

er, no. When I wanted to find the board about literature I didn't even know where to look, it took me some time to stumble upon /lit/.


 No.15127

>>15074

reddit refugee?


 No.15139

>>15127

no, from your mom's room




 No.15126[Reply]



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 No.14665[Reply]

>want to read an old classic

>first editions are incredibly expensive so the only option is to buy a newer edition published by someone like Penguin or Oxford

>the first 70-80 pages are a long winded introduction written by a "literary scholar" telling the reader how to interpret every part of the story, often spoiling it in the process

>he/she repeatedly, unconvincingly, asserts that his/her interpretation, that just so happens to conform 100% to modern sensibilities, is the correct one

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 No.15039

>>15036

Is your interest in objective truth that leads you to think that whoever asked a question matters at all? Or that to whom something is addressed or to with what intent it was written matters at all with regards to the truth of its contents? It's you who dragged identity into this, you little ass. Why an introduction was written is irrelevant.


 No.15046


 No.15048

>>15046

Read the fucking thread, scum.


 No.15050


 No.15119

Go read Moby Dick.




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 No.14918[Reply]

Pic rel translation is the biggest slog to read I've ever encounteted. Is Constance Garnett a shitty translator or am I too big of a retard? Should I just learn Russian and go with the original instead?

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 No.15028

Rus anon here. I don't know who that translator is but Brothers Karamazov is anything but a slog.


 No.15030

>>14931

It's weird though. I thought Garnett did just fine with The Idiot and The Posessed, how did her Brothers K turn out so awful?


 No.15047

>>15030

He got tired?


 No.15115

Amazing book anon there's a reason it's taught all over the world

Are you too retarded to see the psychological insights and themes playing out with the characters? How far are you? Garnett translation is great


 No.15116

>>15115

Just off the top of my head one major gripe I had with Garnett's Brothers K is that it completely fucking leaves out Lizaveta's nickname Smirnatchaya. It doesn't even replace it with "stinking". The play on words used to construct Smirnakov's name is therefore completely lost on the reader, as is the significance of any time the characters describe him as "stinking".




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