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'Dance, Beren, dance! as they dance beyond the Bitter Hills'

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1. Board is for anything Tolkien related, even if that thing happens to be shitty Hollywood adaptations of books about hobbits. So stuff like /tg/ homebrews is fine as well.

2. No spamming the board.

Feel free to post banners, ideas for quotes for the board announcements, or other stuff you feel goes there.

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Making a post here since a lot of the board has been 404'd by the hack.

To get a thread back, simply post while in mod.php. Doesn't necessarily need to be specific to the board. If it still doesn't work, please post the thread here and I'll drop a quick post there to fix it.

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Prepare to be triggered.

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But they seem to present it as if he's walking into Valinor itself. I dunno it seems to base the description of "heaven" as the one Gandalf made in the movies, which was itself almost like a white lie to Pippin about what happens after you die. He was describing Valinor, but Pippin wont go there.

The films and these games and normalfags in general confuse Valinor with heaven a lot.



Maybe Gandalf went to Illuvatar when he died after fighting the Balrog. So he could have an actual idea of where men go? That's my guess at least.


Does he no de wey?


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Remember: Arda and the Legendarium are meant to be mythological landscapes. I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about Talion’s sendoff, since, from our perspective, Valinor is as good as Heaven.

And personally, I didn’t think of it as him going to Valinor. All I saw was a numenorean descendant looking upon the sea at sunset.



That isn't entirely a bad interpretation either I guess. I mean I'm not that mad about that. Of all things in the game it wasn't the worst.

Also there's an important distinction between Valinor and the world beyond Eä. Because we KNOW for a fact Valinor exists within the Legendarium, and it is simply the realm of the gods, hallowed but finite. It's an understandable and you can quantify/qualify it.

You do not know what happens after Men die. The unknown is part of it. It's hope without any guaranty. A call to faith without any promises. Which is something very integral to every ideal Tolkien puts into his works.

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Archive: https://archive.is/hUxdE

This is the beginning of the end. Next they'll push off or make irrelevant the remaining Tolkiens. They'll peck at the Secondary World like vultures. It'll be a grand old time for the fucking kikes.

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what about the rankin bass film?



Haven't seen them.



You should. It's fucking great. The animation is a bit wonky if you're not used to that style, but it's really good stuff.



The Rankin Bass Hobbit is still the superior Hobbit film.




Well, the closest thing to it is rural England but who wants to live in that island nowadays?

Second closest is New Zealand.

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Psst, hey Melkor. Yo.


What's in your other hand?

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Morgoth didn't have pockets REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE



If she could see everything stuck in dark places, even if those places were illuminated, she would see everything then. Or are you saying as an embodiment of darkness she was omniscient in regards of light sources?

If Morgoth put the silmarils in his pocket, those pockets would be close to holiest and most illuminated places on Arda.


Actual speculation on these legendary figures is silly.

Keep it to simple memes and gags.



>assuming speculation about Melkor's pockets could possibly be serious

Come on now, nobody can be that autistic.


True pockets weren't invented until at least the 16th century, before then pockets were just pouches sewn to the outside of clothes or hung on belts

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How bad is it going to be?

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I see religion as an expression of a race. In that sense I enjoy Tolkien writing things that sort of mix Christian, ancient Roman/Greek, and pagan ethos together. I don't see them as fundamentally conflicting because of their common source. Perhaps Tolkien was able to glean for us something deeper and truer to the core in this unified vision of spirituality he devised. Though Tolkien was Catholic, the passion he devoted to his pantheon, to me, could not be the result of merely an academic reproduction. It felt like he had a deep appreciation and respect for these ancient beliefs, perhaps feeling them to be as much real world myth and legend as stories about dragons and fairies. I often wonder if he did not privately to himself hold his own religion as a grand form of legend, perhaps thinking that it deserved its current reverence based on its virtue and beauty alone.



On the other hand Tolkien apparently took Catholic dogma seriously, but on the other hand the mythic cosmology in Silmarillion is supposed to be in-setting Elvish interpretation of the same God as in Christianity, implying only the God is truth and everything below Him is mere interpretation. There's also the implication that completely pagan religions had real of divinity through the Valar and the work of Istari. Everything in Tolkien's work only exist in the "sub-creation", but it still devalues the semitic myth that is the basis of the world view in Bible.



>I see religion as an expression of a race.

I see you as autistic



He's not entirely wrong. Religion is another building block of culture, and culture is determined by race as much as it is the environment.



He's correct, though.

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Is Beren and Luthien good?

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Okay thanks guys



most badass thing a man ever did in middle earth



And the second most badass thing is stalling an entire army of Orcs at a ford to the point everyone else is dead and your war-axe as corroded completely from the Orc blood.



Third is Beren stealing the Silmaril maybe, but that was more Luthien's achievement maybe.



It was basically a joint thing. It took a man and an elf maiden to do what all the power of the princes of the Noldor couldn't.

Same as it taking two hobbits to do what the great kingdoms in exile of the Númenórians couldn't and wreck Sauron's shit.

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Did anyone else think this scene was great, in spite of its differences from the books? Originally Theoden is manipulated via simple deceitful words on the part of Wormtongue, but in the films it’s as if said evil vizier is seeding some kind of possession.

Yeah it’s melodramatic, but it makes the differences between Gandalf & Saruman stand starkly out, and adds to Aragorn’s understanding of what it is to be a king.

Plus the whole “what works for literature don’t always work for film” axiom etc.

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The book is much more sophisticated about it that's for sure.

Overall every change the movies make seems to be for the worse with a handful of exceptions such as Gimli being more of a codified comedic relief character. I didn't mind that. Gimli was barely there in the books in the first place.


>The theme is hope in spite of not seeing any way forward

This is dead on. Go through the books and keep track of how many times the hobbits think to themselves 'this is utterly hopeless and I see no way it can work, but we have to keep pushing forward anyway.'



To be honest, it's hard to translate Tolkien into film, it would be easier to adapt the Oddessey or the Bible than to adapt LOTR, so I can forgive a lot of changes



Basically in the books Théoden and Denethor were blackpilled



So what you're saying is that Wormtongue is the Ashes and Echoes shitposter?

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/arda/, don't you sometimes wish you could just go on an adventure?

Years ago, I saw a thread on 4/tg/ where some guy was going to take his donkey, a shortsword, some primitive supplies, food, and a pipe, and just head out to the mountains. Ever since, I've wanted to do something like that.

Is it even possible anymore? Where would you do it? How would you do it? What would you bring with you?

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Goddamn, my year-old drunk thread is still up and even marked with a (you).

Anyone here go on a good adventure since?


Of course I do.

But I have a career, a wife, bills to pay and no companions or purpose.

I can't even get myself to go camping for a weekend. ;_;



If you have a wife maybe you should have kids and go on adventures with them eventually.



Wife doesn't want to go with you? :(



I've always wanted to go to the Schwarzwald, southern Germany is fucking beautiful

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Happy Yule /arda/ anons, Men, Elves and Dwarves.

May a warm cozy Shire be awaiting you at the end of the cold evening trek through snow white covered fields.

Figured I'd post a Tolkien Christmas related title.


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Merry Christmas. I need to read that book sometime.



It’s pretty rad. Some years JRRT writes a simple one-sentence letter from Santa and it’s warm and familial, but then some years he wrote like 5-page epics about how him and his friends the “snow elves” had to defend the North Pole from invading goblins.

I’m not kidding, see if you can find it, it’s totally worth reading.



You should have storytimed it



I might be able to get the whole letter if I’m careful


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Dwarves the the undisputed greatest race in Middle-Earth.

Thread dedicated to the glory of the dorfs

Shitty Sindar cunts need not post. Noldor welcomed because Aulë is cool with them.

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Is this satire?


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I was joking, but the accusation has been made.





I said Shadow of Mordor.

Shadow of War is fucking shit in terms of lore and story.



I can't stop thinking about this image 🤣

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Be honest. How many of you wanted to get into creative writing after reading Tolkien?

and if you're really feeling gutsy/masochistic, tell us what you wrote.

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John Howe is the world's premier Tolkien autist.



>not embracing being an uncreative hack

Every writer worth shit felt they were too deriative, at least until they found what their own writing was. It's called self-awareness.



No writer of any real merit ever claimed he was anything but an enthusiast or a hobbyist or simply acting on habit, except maybe Ernest Hemingway.

Tolkien himself had a fairly low opinion of, not just his own work, but of all fiction of his age. He much preferred history or legend, and frequently said that much valuable cultural and linguistic context was forgotten when people neglected to revere bodies of real-world Myth.



artist name?



Shit I can’t remember

All his stuff is posted on like DeviantArt only

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why are you celebrating tolkenism and tolkien based fantasy

instead of wishing it to end and die

we need to revive the fantasy genre

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I'm pretty sure this is something that goes back beyond even Tolkien.



What are nu-elves?


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modern-fantasy elves, obviously



I've never really been interested in modern fantasy, so if you could describe how they are vs. Tolkien elves I would appreciate it.



Biggest "development" is inheriting the need to be "balanced" compared to other species from D&D game mechanics. Typically this materializes as turning physical and (hard won) moral superiority into impotent arrogance. Most works also lack proper world building and have only blind aping of (usually pitifully recent) earlier works, so elves along with numerous other superfluous critters appear in settings without being a fundamental part of them.

Considering this rose from what was awful game design in the first place, it's a wonder this kind of thinking continued to carried along like a tumorous package even to works completely unrelated to games.

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ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.

For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.

For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.

It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.

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No no, it should be about the greatest hothead, Fëanor.


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Having gone through the books recently, I was amazed at just how ACTIVE the three rings of the elves were. It's not obvious, but their actions and powers could be inferred in the many warnings of Elrond, the spontaneous answering of prayers to Galadriel, and Gandalf's fire. It bugged me that they weren't given a sendoff in the films, even before I fully understood their role in the story.

In the films, Saruman muses about the Ring of Barahir, which, as cool and appropriate as it is, is still less relevant to the War of the Ring as the Three were, and doesn't even occur in the books.

I got questioned about them by people who enjoyed the movies but didn't read the books, almost as frequently as I got questioned about the fate of the Arkenstone when the third Hobbit film was released.


Faramir didn't get a fair shake in the movies in my opinion. He's way more noble and interesting in the books. They almost portray him as mean in the movies (at least at first).



I've had this thought recently on my yearly reading. I pay attention to Gandalf, he sometimes lets the fellowship sleep while taking on the guard and not rest at all himself. Makes me think the ring was giving him powers of endurance in those times.



They really should've kept the deleted scenes of Faramir and Boromir together in Osilgiliath tbh

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Did anyone ever play this?

I used to play it years ago and it was pretty based as far as i remember, one of the best cooperative board games i've ever played, i should still have it somewhere in my basement…

The expansions also look interesting, some add new game mechanics and scenarios, making the game longer and more intriguing, and if i recall correctly one even lets one player play as Sauron, unfortunately though i never had any of those

Also, general Tolkien-based board games thread

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you have to print cards even tough you buy everything (speaking from experience)

there are some cards you have to have in most of the decks you build

ive been playing this game for like a 2 years with friend of mine

basically its a coop game against semirandomized enemy deck

the best (and sometimes the worst) part is building super op decks with supersynergi combinations of cards



Why do you have to print them out if you buy them?



you get 3 copies of every card

if you want to build more decks there are some cards you need in multiple decks



Lame. I guess I'll just print the game out directly. Do they sell cardstock to print out on, or do you just glue them to playing cards?



i put them into protective sleeves and print duplex on 250mg/m^2 paper

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Post your favorite Tolkien related music.

Stuff from movie or game soundtracks, recreations of songs that are in the books, songs that mention Tolkien characters, etc.

Here is Tolkien himself singing "Namarie" (Galadriel's Lament in Lorien)


For those that haven't heard of it, check out "The Road Goes Ever On" song cycle.


>With Tolkien's approval, Donald Swann wrote the music for this song cycle

>The sole exception is the Quenya song "Namárië," which was based on a tune by Tolkien himself

Led Zeppelin famously has a few references to Tolkien's work in their songs. "Ramble On" being the most obvious one with it's mentions of Mordor and Gollum.


Billy Boyd's "The Last Goodbye" he wrote for Jackson's shitty Hobbit movies is gorgeous.


And I love the soundtracks to the LOTR movie trilogy so much I'm actually having trouble choosing a track to post.

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Light fails at dawn. The moon is gone and deadly the night reigns.

Deceit - finally I've found myself in these lands: horror and madness I've seen here. For what I became a king of the lost? Barren and lifeless the land lies.

Lord of all Noldor - a star in the night and a bearer of hope.

He rides into his glorious battle alone. Farewell to the valiant warlord!


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>crt+f "Lonely Mountain Band"

>0 results


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Bo Hansson made a whole album inspired by Lord of The Rings



The Bard's Song is the best, tho.


Two years late on my reply, almost to the week, but Summoning managed to pull it off. They're the only black metal band I've listened to with any sort of regularity.


Top tier stuff.

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