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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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1. Board is for anything Tolkien related, even if that thing happens to be shitty Hollywood adaptations of books about hobbits. So stuff like /tg/ homebrews is fine as well.

2. No spamming the board.

Feel free to post banners, ideas for quotes for the board announcements, or other stuff you feel goes there.

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ayy ulmo

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Shutup Ossë



t. butthurt valar who got his shit fucked up by elves

Also why the fuck is Morgoth wearing chainmail?


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>why the fuck is Morgoth wearing chainmail?

b-because I thought it looked cool



Both are pretty good anon, i'm just used to Melkor being depicted with plate armor.


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Reminder that just because Manwe granted Elrond the fate of elves doesn't make him a real elf.

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I wasn't saying "we can't know for sure." I was saying that his argument was retarded and relied on making assumptions not even based on actual observation. Because even the most simple observation of many common animals shows they obviously have a consciousness. Anyone who has ever interacted with a dog can tell they have individual personalities and emotions. When you talk about "metaphysical phenomena," and admit you disregard "materialistic models" all you're saying is "free will is magic and only animals of my type have it because I say so and I want to believe I'm extra special.

>Also the lines between species are as clear as night and day for anyone not stupid enough to fall for fallacious arguments from abstraction, idiot

They're not though. There's the basic idea of two organisms that can reproduce together and create viable offspring being the same species, but plenty of things complicate this, like ring species. Plus the simple fact that all organisms are related if you go back far enough. Unless you're straight up arguing evolution is a myth. To argue that one of humans' unique evolutionary mutations happens to be free will, even though we can easily observe other animals acting in ways that seems to show that they actually have minds and aren't just automatons is a big stretch. Alternatively I can accept they are just automatons, but again they don't act fundamentally different from humans, since humans are also driven by instinct just like you say disqualifies an organism from free will. The biggest difference that you almost actually argued is merely the degree of steps that the average individual in a species will take to reach a goal, with humans doing many multi-step plans. But the other animals are observed doing that too, though usually not with as many steps as humans.


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I'd like to add on that interbreeding of different species is possible. Pic related, it's a mule.


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And how fertile are mules?



You could certainly have picked a better example. Like homo sapiens varieties and other homos.




I'll leave that for the professionals. ;)

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I thought we should have an art thread, so here it is

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Angus McBride is among my favourites.


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What is this, a picture for ants?


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Mountain crossing

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I've been told that if I enjoyed Tolkien's works, I would like this one, too. Can /arda/ confirm this?


Like LotR, it's one of the greatest sci-fi or fantasy series ever, it's written by a Catholic with strong but not overt Catholic themes, and it features an absolutely virtuosic use of the English language.

In almost every other respect, it is totally unlike the LotR.



Looks interesting, I'll check it out sometime!



I agree with the general sentiment, but I found the plot incredibly lacking and I don't think it measures up to Dune in terms of greatest sci-fi.



I can respectfully disagree but understand where you're coming from about 'Dune', and while I think 'incredibly lacking' might be going a bit far, I'll agree that the series is not the mostly tightly plotted group of novels ever written. Especially when compared to Tolkien, whose works are, above all else, excellent stories, whereas Wolfe uses his stories as vehicles for ideas, characters, and lush settings.


I've read Clark Ashton Smith's Zothique stories and the first two of Jack Vance's Dying Earth books. What's similar and different in The Book of the New Sun compared to those?

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Why didn't Beren just ride the eagles to Angband?

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Nobody among the good guys seemed particularly assured there was any way to win without something happening to the Ring. Gondor leadership was desperate to the point of going insane, Rohan's king was a lethargic potato, and the Elves were content chilling at their hidey holes losing the Long Defeat. I don't think they would have thrown everything they had at the Black Gate if they had thought there was a way to win through conventional warfare, and that was after several near miraculous hard won victories involving unforeseen circumstances.



>Elves were content chilling at their hidey holes losing the Long Defeat

It's pretty badass that the sons of Elrond came to the black gates though.


Why did all the free peoples of Middle Earth have to mass all their strength to beat a guy who got his ass handed to him by a dog?



admittedly Sauron seemed to have the upper hand. but the West did achieve victories, and Rohan's king recovered after he was freed from the pernicious influence of Wormtongue and Saruman. I don't think it was quite as one-sided as you claim.

more importantly, Saruman was not loyal to Sauron. they may have worked together, but it was an uneasy alliance at best, with plenty of friction and treachery between them. in an alternate timeline, I could easily see a civil war breaking out between Sauron & Saruman, which would've been costly to the Dark Powers.



Holy shit the whole Silmarillion is officially pointless. Tolkien btfo once and for all.

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J.R.R. Tolkien’s Great Grandson Nicholas Tolkien is a Religious Jew

>The famous author J.R.R. Tolkien, author of The Hobbit, the lord of the Rings and more classics was known for his love for the Jews. The Nazi’s sent him a questionnaire wanting to know about his lineage and if it was ‘tainted with Jewish blood’. If he was a ‘pureblood’ with no Jewish lineage they would allow his books to be published in Germany. (Remember those shameful days?) He answered: “I understand you want to know if I’m from Jewish descent. I can only say that regretfully none of my forebears came from this gifted nation.”

>If he was pained not coming from Jewish descent he would now be pleased to know that he has two Jewish descendants and one of them is an observant Jew who keeps Shabbat and Kosher.

>This descendant that is garnering attention in the media lately is Nicholas Tolkien, a 27 year old playwright and director who produced a play currently being shown called ‘Terezin’ which describes life in the Theresienstadt concentration camp from the eyes of a child.

>Nicholas researched the Theresienstadt concentration camp for 5 years and he also visited there. He describes it as being “full of the ghosts of the past.” The play he wrote about girls in the camo that survived only because of their courageous friendship, is based on stories he heard firsthand from survivors who were children in the camps and on the book “There Are No Butterflies Here” which is a collection of poems and drawings from the children of the Theresienstadt ghetto from 1942-1944.


Would Tolkien be proud?

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Soon Tolkien's Chosen progeny will sell his lifework to the bidder that promises to rape J.R.R's legacy the most. Fitting epitaph for someone who trusted the Jew.


I half expect that Tolkien's answer to that questionnaire was half out of spite against dirty krauts rather than actual love for jews. However, given his favorable depiction of Dwarves, the hairy, money hungry, not truly created by God but sort of accepted by him race that is desperate to reclaim a claimed ancestral homeland, yeah Tolkien clearly loved the jews. Given how religious Tolkien was, he probably would want his own descendants to hold the same beliefs as him, but he also probably wanted the jews to control Israel because that leads into the second coming of Jesus.


>he da jew

good for him.



>I half expect that Tolkien's answer to that questionnaire was half out of spite against dirty krauts rather than actual love for jews.

This. Tolkien fucking hated WWII and didn't think that either side was the good guys. He wasn't some crazed philo-semite who frothed at the mouth for the jews like some /pol/tards would have you believe, he was just butthurt about war and hatred in general. He decried propaganda that dehumanized Germans during the war and advocated forgiveness for Germany after the war, and he equated the outcome of the war to Saruman enslaving Sauron and wiping out the actual good guys. Even for his own time, Tolkien was a million times more sane than your average anglo.


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Well, Tolkien was a traditional catholic. And before Vatican II, at the mass of the holy friday, there was a prayer :

>"Oremus et pro perfidis Judaeis"

>Which means "Let's pray for the perfidious jews"

So, since he was a traditional catholic and that ALL the catholic tradition is antisemite, his philo-semitism must be nuanced.

Moreover, it's hard to paint yourself as an antisemite when you have Hitler as an interlocutor since :

>"Hitler dishonored antisemitism" Georges Bernanos, catholic writer

Numerous have been those forced to change their antisemistic positions because of Hitler's stupidity. Because Hitler was financed by jews against other jews racially impure (mixed with polish and others), and denouncing Hitler is denouncing jews.

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When and how did the Elves figure out incest was bad? They already have the taboo against cousin-kissing when there was barely any cousins to kiss around. Preference for exogamy in the elven nobility is easy to explain: relatives became instant friends and allies. Fëanor's sons never had many friends outside other Noldor. Still, it doesn't explain the strict ban on cousin-marriages. Many a woe would have been avoided if they would have let the resident Elliot Rodger Maeglin score. Him being a mongrel person of diverse heritage, it shouldn't have resulted in harelips just yet.

Or perhaps it would. Negative recessive traits perhaps don't fit the description of Elves healthier in body than humans, but neither are they perfect. Maybe original orcs were what happened when Elves inbred. It would fit Tolkien's inspiration of orcs from the low class scum of Britain. Blaming Melkor for the creation of orcs might not be entirely correct; it could have been the hillbilly Avari fucking their sisters that started the orcish blight.

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>muh culture muhfugga

leftypol pls go

Incest is bad because recessive alleles tend to run in families, making it more likely that the baby will get whatever genetic diseases the parents might have been carriers for. This is why people tend to breed outside their own families, and this is why heavily inbred populations like Jews or Arabs display hybrid vigor when they miscegenate: a partner from another population is much less likely to have the same recessive alleles and therefore much more likely to make a somewhat-healthy child.



Family that are not living with one another can go the opposite way. Just this year, a father that was reunited with his daughter, whom was put up for adoption early in her life, got impregnated by him and now they're married.



Yes, and it’s most likely a mechanism to prevent incest since siblings are more likely than not to live together



Well yeah, it’s not a perfect mechanism, but my point still stands



Did you even read the post, or did you just see “cultural brainwashing” and start sperging?

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Archive: https://archive.is/hUxdE

This is the beginning of the end. Next they'll push off or make irrelevant the remaining Tolkiens. They'll peck at the Secondary World like vultures. It'll be a grand old time for the fucking kikes.

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I wish shitposters would be tossed into a woodchipper


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Judgement desu no~




that pic is from the Bakshi adaptation tho


Fuck the kikes.

I don't care what they deem canon.

If it wasn't material directly written by Tolkien (directly or indirectly through letters, etc.) I don't care about it.

Shadow of Mordor/War?

Fucking garbage, no thank you.

Extra-kiked shit?

Gas yourself.

Fuck them.



>movie series

But the movies removed all of the explicit themes of Aryan supremacy.

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Anyone else notice the multiple anti-lotr posts on /tv/?

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>Expecting any kind of quality from /tv/ of all boards

You have no one to blame except yourself anon, /tv/ is a just /b/ but focused on television and movies.


/tv/ hates potter way more than lotr and they are shitheads



>/tv/ hates potter

So they have good taste after all


Yeah, but keep in mind there are people who think superhero movies are the finest fiction available.


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A fantasy writer asserts that author J.R.R. Tolkien embedded themes of racism in his eternal classics The Lord of the Ring and The Hobbit by depicting orcs and similar creatures as races of evil, inferior brutes

Author Andy Duncan offered this opinion during an interview on the Wired Magazine podcast ‘Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy.’

“It’s hard to miss the repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others, or that some peoples are just worse than others,” Duncan said. “And this seems to me, in the long term — if you embrace this too much, it has dire consequences for yourself and for society.“A lot of these creatures that were raised out of the earth had not a great deal of choice in the matter of what to do,” he added. “I have this very complicated sense of the politics of all that.”

Duncan seemed to draw oblique correlations between the plight of Tolkien’s grotesque villains and the on-going migrant crisis, specifically the situation unfolding at the southern border of the United States.“It is easier to demonize one’s opponents than to try to understand them and to understand the complex forces that are leading to, for example, refugees trying to cross one’s southern border legally or illegally,” Duncan said. “It’s easier to just build walls and demonize them as ‘scum.'



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Look it up nigger, I don't have to source anything.

I'm not an NPC. >>1780 sup kike? >>1766 Oh did I trigger a christcuck? >>1765 Yes, anon, their crescent represents Saturn, so does their black cube. >>1764 muh faggots, kys nigger, NYAA~



Where is the Middle Earth discussion?




>their crescent represents Saturn, so does their black cube.

Every historian not to mention carbon dating disagrees with you



>race was stated to be outright created by Melkor to be evil


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>Shadow of Mordor


I'll admit celebrimbor was well voice acted and more interesting than every other character in the game, but that's just it. Every other character in the game sucks. Not to mention that the game takes a dumb on the lore



>Not to mention that the game takes a dumb on the lore




>Every other character in the game sucks.

Very helpful.


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>he doesn't know

Here's your spoonfeeding newfag

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why are you celebrating tolkenism and tolkien based fantasy

instead of wishing it to end and die

we need to revive the fantasy genre

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>He hasn't read the silmarllion, or even a single page of Tolkien's works





Mods ban these shitposters please



>we need to come up with new things anon

>we being someone who isn't me

Start writing or shut the fuck up, you obviously have no intention of bringing about any of this "needed" work.


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>Waaahhh ban the posters. I don't like discussion.



Stop shitting up the board asshole, discuss LOTR/Silmarillion without bringing up irrelevant shit or fuck off.

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ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.

For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.

For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.

It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.

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The near discovery of Frodo at the Falls or Rauros was not apparent in the film, it seemed like he was just having another "ring seizure"

Having Merry and Pippin trick a being as old as the earth to try to make him fight Sauroman was just stupid.

This isn't a personal criticism, but the Elves assisting in the battle for helms deep dampened the significance of the strength of mankind that the victory proved in the book.

The mystery and lore behind both the Druadan forets people and the ghostly army were a joke. The Druadans weren't present at all and the ghost army became undead ectoplasm warriors like what you would see in Rick and Morty.

>Battle of Pelennor Feilds

This is my least favorite battle in the whole story so I group all my criticisms together

Faramir did not help Frodo or Sam *at all* in fact, he just turned gollum "evil" so if anything he hurt frodo and his jorney *a lot*.

Minas Morgul looks more like a movie theater from the land of Oz than the sickly white city with the field of white flowers of death it was.

The witch king is just like the black rider in the beginning of the book. This part of the book was very powerful when I read it; Terrifying lord of Mordor marches out of the the city with a huge af army, and the hobbits, almost like a mile off, shrink away in fear.

Before the battle no one is evacuated from the city like they just don't care if they all die

The fact that there was no outer wall and the fact that the city is surrounded by nothing but empty fields is both inaccurate to the story and to how cities work.

The actual battle was completely butchered by the film

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1. The studio hired a fag to play Gandalf and Peter Jackson as director.

2. There weren't enough scenes with elves (especially Galadriel).

3. Aragorn looked like a homeless dude.

4. Drug abusing wood wizard in the Hobbit series.

Besides that, I love the series.


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WTH? Cate Blanchett is beautiful. It would have been great if she stuck to children or trad movies. Unfortunately, most actors and actresses in Hollywood are just bags of meat with little soul.



>Marlene Dietrich

Whores or homos shouldn't play roles in conservative movies.



For you.

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