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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

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1c7181 No.21874[Reply]

HAFIDH AL QURAN THREAD

A thread for everything about memorizing al Quran al Kareem.

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56392f No.22325

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964dfc No.23797[Reply]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته وسلام على المرسلين والحمد لله رب العالمين أما بعد

A couple of days ago someone mentioned starting a thread for learning Arabic, I thought it was a good idea so here it is. My thought is that we can share resources and ask each other questions about the language.

I'll start off with two great resources that'll take you quite far. They're aimed at someone who knows the Arabic script but not anything else. After these you should be at a level where you can start studying Arabic in Arabic.

1. Madinah series, which is used at the Islamic University in Madinah and very beginner friendly(as said above you just need to know the alphabet). It consists of three textbooks in Arabic, along with three in English explaining the grammar of each lesson, and an answer key. There's also a lot of complementary material in form of grammar summaries etc. Everything can be found for free(no copyright) at

lqtoronto.com

2. Simplified Arabic by Arthur Upson. Another great book available free(copyright expired). It's layed out in terms of 200 chapters each accompinied by translation excercies with answer keys. Ideal for self studying. It can be found at https://archive.org/details/arabicsimplified00upsouoft

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b9ace2 No.28939

Urdu speakers look up Aamir Sohail for comprehensive Arabic lectures.




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1e1e09 No.11001[Reply]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

This board is the 8chan Masjid and should be treated as such. It is a place for Muslims to gather and discuss Islam and not intended as a place where Muslims must defend themselves or their religion from outsiders. If you would not do it in a real mosque in the real world, then don't do it here.

Controversial topics of discussion are permitted, but deliberate trolling/baiting and personal attacks will not be tolerated. /pol/-like behavior can stay on /pol/.

ATTACK THE ARGUMENT, NOT THE POSTER

DO NOT DECLARE SOMEONE KAFIR OVER A SIMPLE DISAGREEMENT

Obviously from time to time someone will come to this board and they wish to discuss a portion of Qur'an or the life of the Prophet(عليه السلام) or the tribal practices of certain people(s). There is nothing wrong with questioning and questions should never be shunned. All answers lay within Qur'an and the Sunnah.

For the purposes of this board, and until otherwise proven absolutely haram, tasteful non-lewd images of people, nature, and animals will be allowed. Images of the Prophets will be deleted. Crass or profane images of the Prophets will be met with a ban. This board is 100% SFW and any lewd/lascivious images will be given a ban.

If you desire Sunni only discussion, head over to >>>/asj/

If you want Quranist discussion, go to >>>/modernislam/

We are not for the comparison of the various world's religions. There are many, many other boards for that. Use them.

Useful Links

If you'd like to suggest links or tips for this sticky, be sure to let me know!

http://sunnah.com/ - The Hadith of the Prophet MuhaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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871126 No.29053

Bit of a flub somewhere and it might look like the board has only one page. However, the rest of the board and the old posts are there. Use the catalog.




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56f827 No.11002[Reply]

We need to take steps to ensure our privacy. Do not let them pull the "if you've got nothing to hide" card; that's like saying we don't need freedom of speech because "I have nothing to say." I have nothing to hide. I am not a terrorist nor am I interested in helping terrorists, but my emails and such are mine and I refuse to lay down and let the government walk all over my freedoms. So, if they want to exploit me, I'll make them work for it. So should you.

Important Tools:

https://piratebox.cc/openwrt:diy - Make as many of those as you can afford. It's like a private local cloud where information can continue to be shared.

https://prism-break.org/en/

https://www.privacytools.io/

https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/

https://search.disconnect.me/

Favorite Linux distributions:

https://tails.boum.org/ - Security anywhere you go on any computer.

http://www.backbox.org/ - I personally use this OS.

https://www.kali.org/ - Offensive defense.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ - The most common and user friendly OS.

https://trisquel.info/ - Based on Ubuntu but without added software.

https://www.torproject.org/ - Not useful by itself, but should be used in tandem with othPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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16e659 No.29019

>>26903

Use Etcher or UUI to install it on the USB stick quickly and easily.

UUI: https://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/

Etcher: https://etcher.io/




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44929d No.29283[Reply]

Dear /islam/, السلام عليكم,

I'm coming from /christian/ with a matter that has been bugging me lately - prayer and religious observance in your religion.

>Note that I'm neither a "shaky Christian on the verge of converting to Islam" nor do I want to proselytize you (apparently this seems a noteworthy thing due to the latest occurrences).

Alright, back to the concern: As you might know, Christianity, especially the Apostolic branches of Catholicism and Eastern orthodoxy, are supposedly declining. Not as per numbers, but as per piety, observance of Divine Law/Church commandments etc.. People call it "modernism" or "apostasy" or whatever.

With regards to this, some members of the Church hierarchy (namely for example Cdls. Sarah and Arinze, i.e., African cardinals that have experience with muslim fellows) expressed that we as Catholics (Christians in general) could learn from muslims when it comes to religious observance (of course while condemning any form of violence sparking from potentially or purposefully misinterpreted verses of the Quran and all that - I'm not educated on that topic so I won't dive deeper into it).

So while I was thinking about that, it came to mind that you guys pray 5 times a day (that is: among the customs that I know of/have seen myself at one occasion or the other) - and I read about that. Now I've found that you in principle calculate the time spans for each of the prayers new for each day, because they need to correspond to sunrise and -set. Further does it seem that you guys (again, those that we would consider pious rather than the "hand-waving" sorta people) are way more strict and rigorous when it comes to things haram.

Also the "thing" (in lack of a better term) with the prayer positions (as seen in pic related) seem to be very strict in a sense that there is a need to go through them, right ? That is especially interesting as we Christians seem to keep it "BYOB" with regards to that (except sick or old people and also except in the Holy Mass): Some kneel, some stand, some fold hands, some interlace fingers, some do it just casually … and so on and so forth.

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44929d No.29292

>>29287

Good morning. I guess what I'm asking is not only the "specifics" - more your experiences with it. Simple things like "ok how do I motivate myself to do x", how important it is to you (I mean that should be an obvious one but I figured that later on, people would do stuff - even prayer rules and so on - more out of routine than true devotion so to speak, if you know what I mean) and so on and so forth.

I know that was alot to ask - but I want to try and learn as I think it'll make me a better Christian but as I said, I'm not here for theological discussion whatsoever, so don't worry about that - however, if you of course need Quran-verses to spell your point I don't want you to stop that).

God bless


44929d No.29293

>>29289

Good morning ! That is very interesting. Mind me, I want to think about it and return later on.

Until then I wish you guys a great day ! (or night if you're going to sleep right now :^)


be8ad4 No.29294

>>29292

Ah, well, motivation is simple. God commanded it. Even if it's done by rote, it's still something God commanded and we need to strive to please God. In reality, though, someone who prays the 5 daily prayers - even out of mere habit - is still expressing true devotion in remembering what God has asked of us.

Enjoin prayer on thy people, and be constant therein. We ask thee not to provide sustenance: We provide it for thee. But the (fruit of) the Hereafter is for righteousness. [20:132]

As for your part as a Christian, there's no reason you can't pray 5, 10, or 1000 times a day and even supplicate yourself in prostration. (1 Chronicles 29:20) Even Jesus(pbuh) did so. (Matthew 26:39)


30c033 No.29302

You can pray more than 5 times, prayer should be a state of being/awareness/rememberance you carry with you all day, not simply at some pre-set times; Christians are told to pray constantly, Buddhists meditate when they walk…step your game up OP


44929d No.29306

After thinking for a while about the things having been said in this thread by the few replies, I've come to the conclusion that I know "everything I wanted to know" in principle.

First of all it seemed I've started this with the completely wrong mindset. For some reason I was expecting something super fancy and nifty as answer - while the obvious one, the one that has been given: because God (or: the Quran) says so, was the answer that would absolutely suffice.

The insight on how "muslim" prayer works (I mean the whole around) was great though I appreciate that very much, thank you.

If you want you may delete the thread, or leave it open for future questions regarding these topics (specifically by Christians ?) or whatever.

Again, thank you for your input and may God guide you on your ways.




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7569d7 No.19586[Reply]

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:

Post all such questions here. I'll start with a few of my own.

As a non-Muslim (non-religious period) I wonder about the notion that God (Allah) "wants" things from us. "Wanting" to me feels like it implies a kind of inferior state, as though one was lacking something. Does Allah "want" things from mankind? To follow certain rules perhaps? Or is it not a matter of "wanting" but something else?

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be625c No.29286

>>29244

Proof?


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b67f1a No.29303

Non-Muslim here. I'm curious as to what your religion truly believes, as any source other than my own reading will be laced with personal biases. Should I find a translation of the Qu'ran and start there, learn Arabic first and read the Qu'ran in its original, or do both together, having each supplement the other?


3392ca No.29304

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>>29303

I like pic related. It has the Quran and it also provides historical context as to what is going on. Its kinda pricy at least it was in my area but imo way better than just getting a cheap Quran with no commentary for context, espically if you are someone that wants to learn more about Islam. As for learning Arabic, personally, I would do that after you get a grasp of what Muslims believe

I also like YT channels like Merciful Servant and Prophet's Path as they put preaching from Imams with some good Aesthetics in the BG.

May Allah guide you on your path to the truth, anon.


b67f1a No.29305

I'll take a look for it. The local library might have it. And Arabic seems like an interesting language from what little I know of it, so it'd be something I'd want to learn anyways. I'll check out those channels as well, thank you. I honestly hope this helps me find some kind of truth, one way or another.




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556591 No.29290[Reply]

This is something I've wondered about a lot before, and I was wondering if there were any good resources for this. Certain attributes of Allah, such as merciful, loving, forgiving, etc. are active attributes that can't exist alone. Meaning that you can't be loving with nobody to love, you have to love someone else. So I'm wondering this: Allah existed alone for eternity before creating anything, so how can he be loving if he had nobody to love? Some people might say that he had foreknowledge of us or of the angels, and loved us based on that, but if he was only creating out of foreknowledge then where did that foreknowledge come from?

Basically, I don't understand how a single being alone in the universe can become loving with no other being to love, have any Islamic scholars or philosophers looked into this? Are there any resources you could give me on the nature of Allah?

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f58035 No.29296

>>29295

God does not change or acquire new attributes. According to mainstream Sunni aqidah (see: Creed of Imam Tahawi for example) God was the creator before he ever created.


1d73ae No.29297

>>29290

We don't know. We can only speculate.

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. Qur'an 112


49ede8 No.29298

>>29296

I feel like thinking in terms of time is what is limiting this discussion, and what limits most discussions about Allah since time is a creation of Allah so Allah must be able to operate without time.

So, the greater question is how do actions occur beyond time?


f58035 No.29299

>>29298

There's only two things I can think of to comment on this (keeping in mind that I'm obviously fallible and could be wrong, Allahu alam):

1. The only kinds of actions we know are actions in time, and it should be clear that Allah's (swt) actions are not like our actions though we refer to them as "actions" by a sort of analogy.

2. Allah (swt) also creates actions in time, e.g. the splitting of the red sea (he created the event and the timeframe in which it occured).


ec2377 No.29301

>>29290

all moments, all people and all possibilities exist to God in an eternal present.

God loves himself and loves the world and we are his humble children. Read your holy scripture




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f41c68 No.29252[Reply]

This bumbling woman couldn't formulate a coherent reply to save her life. What's the actual answer /islam/ ?

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3a5ee5 No.29261

>>29255

Eh, we're fine with political topics and don't have a designated thread for them. It's when they degenerate into /pol/ LARPing and Muslim bashing that they get locked.


2f6317 No.29262

You make it sound like we deliberately seek out countries because of their Christian population. The real reasons are a lot more mundane.

For the refugees it's just about getting away from the fight. Plenty of them go to Islamic countries, but you don't hear about them.

For everyone else, it's the differences in opportunities. Trades are easier to get into, but more complex jobs would be more appreciated (and paid) in the West.

Personally I'm in it for the education and the lack of mosquitoes.


3a5ee5 No.29263

>>29262

>lack of mosquitoes

You might want to avoid the southern US, then. Mosquitoes form literal clouds around here.

Anyway, I'm in it because I was born in the US. My parents were born in the US. My grandparents and so on and so forth all the way back to the first immigrant from my father's side, who stepped off the boat in 1632. I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to be here.


d579c3 No.29285

>>29252

Because the 'christians' either bomb a muslim country or place a puppet for their interests. Either leave us all alone and we leave you alone, or don't complain, you can't have it both ways.


f41c68 No.29291

>>29285

>fleeing to your enemies country for shelter and asylum

Makes sense.




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d6373c No.22740[Reply]

I have become so disgusted with the state of the West, particularly the state of the Catholic church I was born into. This is not just a political exercise. I had a genuine religious experience and felt the presence of Allah. I read the Qur'an and said the Shahada.

I am not getting circumcised because it is not mandatory in Islam. My future sons can decide for themselves when they turn 18. I only speak English, no Arabic, so becoming Muslim is a bit daunting. I have a Muslim friend who is helping me through things.

In the West, we are given a choice between being a communist cuck and a fascist pig. I reject both and choose Islam.

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3d27ff No.23501

>>23498

>If you want to attack HT, Islam4UK,

You're the one who asked my opinion of them genius.


27cb4b No.23502

>>23498

Or, at the very least, make a politics general on this board. That way the people who don't want to participate can just hide it and move on to threads they like.


492dc9 No.23504

>>23501

No, i asked if there was problem with the signs.

>>23502

No, because as a vol I have to read all the posts, I don't want to read political attack drivel that seeks to tear down and defame muslims with good intentions. And if this board becomes a platform of attacking other muslims then the admin and I are partaking in that fasad & gheebah.

Potential solution:

If you have a POSITIVE political perspective then perhaps you can share it in a beneficial way. That means talking about good things and encouraging beneficial action. No negativity and histrionics here, please.


27cb4b No.23505

>>23504

You make a valid point.


af77b1 No.29284

>>22742

>Idris Tawfiq was a Catholic Priest trained in Vatican City , he is now a muslim

Peace be upon him.

https://www.facebook.com/IdrisTawfiqLovingMemory/




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b636b9 No.29247[Reply]

Hello everyone. If someone could help I would appreciate it. I was an atheist white teenager in the United States. I supported evil and thought myself to be really smart and would drink alcohol. But over time I became more right wing, then I realized that wasn’t enough. Then I became a Christian, but I am loving Islam more and more. It makes more sense, it is absolute. The law of it is enthralling, it is not obscure or vague. The thing is I am afraid to convert as I live in the Midwest and I don’t know where any mosques even are and if they will be accepting. I’m not doing this to find a wife either but I want one and would a Muslim woman even want a guy like me? Because if I’m gonna do this I’m going all in and would only want to marry a female Muslim… so I guess what I am asking is will people accept me?? And general reversion story thread. I am sorry if this thread is annoying somehow.

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8b6b27 No.29257

>>29256

>gf

haram. pray for him to get a wife


fb314b No.29259

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>>29257

I was just about to correct myself, I say it in a meme sense lol, but you brothers know what I mean. Whats the arabic word for dear, habibti? Anyway I pray you get a muslima wife =D OP >>29247


532f44 No.29270

Oh it's this poster again…


37c1c1 No.29278

>>29270

What’s your problem with him. Stop being vague and dramatic.


37c1c1 No.29280

>>29270

Also keep in mind the demographics of this site. I’ve seen quite a few people post here with similar backgrounds to his (including me) and even on reddit. Whatever preconceived grievances you have against him will get sorted out for everybodies best as he (and others) accept Islam. There are so many paths to embracing Islam. Some people were liberal hip hop heads, some are former trump voters, etc.. people who try to take advantage of the religion never actually make it past reading a Wikipedia overview of it




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4977c1 No.29057[Reply]

Christian boards have yielded mixed results, but now I'm wondering what other major belief systems think of these enigmatic beings. Do you hold similar views to your Christian contemporaries, or do you have something new to bring to the table?

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6b6b79 No.29070

>>29069

That depends on more than just the fossil itself. We can never be 100% certain about things like that. It'd require a complete fossil itself as well as other factors like in which condition it was found, along with what, what are the things about it that we can be absolutely sure of. Even then there'd be confusion. For example there was a time when scientists interchanged the head and tail of elasmosaurus at first. There's also the case of scientists saying dinosaurs had feathers after a long time of thinking otherwise. I forgot the details but there was a turkish/arab man who found a jaw and initially people thought it belonged to a neanderthal but it later turned out to be his/someone else's grandfather's. We can never be 100% sure. Unless scientists stop changing the definitions of 'species' just to match the darwinian model or forming all of theories based off of the darwinian model instead of relying on the evidence itself to form a better base model, we won't get a better way of differenciating between fossils. And that is unlikely.

This question is more suited for experts who have personal, first hand experience with research.


4977c1 No.29071

File: 480d9d880498a42⋯.jpg (1.43 MB, 1868x2362, 934:1181, Jack Cuozzo view.jpg)

File: a204062a8b78567⋯.jpg (1.41 MB, 1868x2362, 934:1181, Todd Wood view.jpg)

>>29070

So it is on a case-by-case basis, ok that's good.

>experts who have personal, first hand experience with research

The few creationists that could be considered experts aren't very reliable either, with some propsing vastly different ideas. To put into perspective you have Jack Cuozzo, a dentist who proposed that neanderthals were extremely ancient people, while also claiming that beings such as erectus were "complex apes" that could walk and make tools like humans. On the other hand you have Todd Wood who, through studying the various pieces of the skulls, came to the conclusion that everything down to sediba was in fact human. I did a little thing to give some visualization, red represents creatures the person considers "ape" while the blue is "human"


ea77e9 No.29072

>>29057

Well, since we're not "young earth creationists", it comes as no surprise that Allah would create a wide variety of wondrous creatures throughout the millennia. We should always continue to study his amazing creation.


c364e1 No.29091

Looks human to me.


c32f7a No.29277

>>29067

>Still believing in universal common descent

Scientists can't even figure out which species evolved from which because the difference between cases of convergent and divergent evolution are not clear at all yet people still parrot Richard Dawkins and spout nonsense about us having a common ancestor with chimps despite the ridiculous birth and mutation rate such an event would require.




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535b64 No.27432[Reply]

walahi my son is leaving islam I read his messages with friends , he believes plato more than muhammad, I don't know what he means or how to help him.

He comes to masjid and eats halal but I think his heart has changed. He doesn't read Quran he reads the philosophy books from his school every day.

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fc796e No.28086

Troll?


e10c05 No.28089

>>28086

Most likely, yes.


0072d3 No.29221

This is why some kids need to be beat, lightly


6af10d No.29260

>>27432

is this a troll? PAHHAHHAHAHA so weak bait

>2018

>kids reading plato


6d58fa No.29276

>>29260

That's not surprising at all, you seem really out of touch, kids nowadays have instant access to any information they want.




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53444a No.27541[Reply]

Guenon was a french Catholic who developed a philosophy of traditionalism (one tradition cannot contain the universal as this itself is beyond words but many traditions can express the universal). He thought Catholicism's traditionalism had become exhausted and moved to Egypt and became a Sufi, seeing as how Islam still preserved it's traditionalist nature. It's more complicated than that but there you go.

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3d9284 No.28693

>>28677

Not in the way he did.


50e3c9 No.28736

>>28085

Esotericism ('ilm al-batin) has always been a recognized and accepted aspect of Sunni Islam. There are numerous hadith referring to the "inward" (batin) and "outward" (dhahir) aspects of Qur'anic verses. Read the Tafsir of Sahl al-Tustari.

Unless you're one of those "Qur'an-only" guys.


3d9284 No.28750

>>28736

Give me an example?


41ecae No.29220

Smart guy with good intentions but moving to Egypt was a mistake and not traditional for someone like him.


7adba6 No.29275

Great intellect for a heretic




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a24683 No.28126[Reply]

What might be the state of the Ummah fifty years from now? One hundred? Can American Muslims survive assimilation? Will Europe's transitional secular period come to an end, with Islam now the dominant religion? How resurgent will Islamic Europe be?

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8152e9 No.29176

File: ebd32e49fcac3f7⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 105.25 KB, 720x410, 72:41, DraxMantis.jpg)

>>29169

>a state where the occupying force has to constantly fight off agianst the locals is a puppet state

>because puppet masters have no control over the minds of the people

>puppet master has to waste money and blood to try and control a people that dont want to be controled

>Wonders why his country collapses as he vainly tries to control Afghanistan

Just another headstone in the Graveyard of Empires


591bc7 No.29215

>>29176

>being occupied by some guys from the other side of the Earth

>racially, ethnically and religiously identical neighbors can't save you

I'm all against the war on Iraq mind you, but you are just trying to play badass where you are completely not.


e92069 No.29269

>>29110

>Serbia rising

Now that, my friend, is a very funny thought.


26ee9f No.29272

File: 09838ada248ae6c⋯.jpg (66.62 KB, 500x728, 125:182, C-_5Q0yUIAErCZt.jpg)

>>29269

Serbs are based


26ee9f No.29273

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>>29272

oops, wrong pic




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6593fd No.27582[Reply]

why do many converts change their none arabic names, to arabic name? whats the significance of this?

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1ddeaa No.28580

>>28577

Honestly, I didn't hang on to my old friends from before I converted. My non-Muslim family, however, do call me by my birth name.


8410fc No.29264

I've been thinking of changing my name, but I wanted to take two names, and I was wondering whether that's considered "acceptable" according to Islamic naming conventions. Basically I wanted a theophoric name followed by the name of a prophet, e.g

Abd ar-Rahman Ibrahim

Abd al-Qadir Yahya

Abd as-Shahid Musa

etc

Those are not the one's I wanted, just wondering what people think about this idea.


312f7d No.29265

>>29264

I was thinking similar, but I was going to use Abdulrahman in one word so its less confusing on identification etc…

Those are good names though


1ddeaa No.29267

>>29265

Might want to check your state and local laws when it comes to changing your name on official government IDs. It's not always easy and there are fees involved.


e606b0 No.29271

>>27655

sad excuse




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