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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

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7569d7 No.19586[Reply]

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:

Post all such questions here. I'll start with a few of my own.

As a non-Muslim (non-religious period) I wonder about the notion that God (Allah) "wants" things from us. "Wanting" to me feels like it implies a kind of inferior state, as though one was lacking something. Does Allah "want" things from mankind? To follow certain rules perhaps? Or is it not a matter of "wanting" but something else?

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964dfc No.23797[Reply]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته وسلام على المرسلين والحمد لله رب العالمين أما بعد

A couple of days ago someone mentioned starting a thread for learning Arabic, I thought it was a good idea so here it is. My thought is that we can share resources and ask each other questions about the language.

I'll start off with two great resources that'll take you quite far. They're aimed at someone who knows the Arabic script but not anything else. After these you should be at a level where you can start studying Arabic in Arabic.

1. Madinah series, which is used at the Islamic University in Madinah and very beginner friendly(as said above you just need to know the alphabet). It consists of three textbooks in Arabic, along with three in English explaining the grammar of each lesson, and an answer key. There's also a lot of complementary material in form of grammar summaries etc. Everything can be found for free(no copyright) at

lqtoronto.com

2. Simplified Arabic by Arthur Upson. Another great book available free(copyright expired). It's layed out in terms of 200 chapters each accompinied by translation excercies with answer keys. Ideal for self studying. It can be found at https://archive.org/details/arabicsimplified00upsouoft

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46d439 No.26071

>>26063

Corpus.quran.com has a word for word translation short grammatical notes. awwibi is the imperative of the verb أوّب awwaba translated as echoing praises.




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1c7181 No.21874[Reply]

HAFIDH AL QURAN THREAD

A thread for everything about memorizing al Quran al Kareem.

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1e1e09 No.11001[Reply]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

This board is the 8chan Masjid and should be treated as such. It is a place for Muslims to gather and discuss Islam and not intended as a place where Muslims must defend themselves or their religion from outsiders. If you would not do it in a real mosque in the real world, then don't do it here.

Deliberate trolling/baiting and personal attacks will not be tolerated. /pol/-like behavior can stay on /pol/.

ATTACK THE ARGUMENT, NOT THE POSTER

If you want to jihadist LARP, go to >>>/islamicstate/

If you want Quranist discussion, go to >>>/modernislam/

We are not for the comparison of the various world's religions. There are many, many other boards for that. Use them.

Useful Links

If you'd like to suggest links or tips for this sticky, be sure to let me know!

http://sunnah.com/ - The Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

http://quran.com/ - Read and listen to Qur'an online.

http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/ - Biography of the Prophet Muhammad( عليه السلام‎)

islam@8chan.co - Board Owner email

Current Volunteers: Two (Vol1 and Akhi)

Useful Tips

Obviously from time to time someone will come to this board and they wish to discuss a portion of Qur'an or the life of the Prophet(عليه السلام) or the tribal practices of certain people(s). There is nothing wrong with questioning and questions should never be shunned. All answers lay within QurPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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118895 No.25987

The supposedly "permanent" invite to the discord has expired. Removed it from OP.




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56f827 No.11002[Reply]

We need to take steps to ensure our privacy. Do not let them pull the "if you've got nothing to hide" card; that's like saying we don't need freedom of speech because "I have nothing to say." I have nothing to hide. I am not a terrorist nor am I interested in helping terrorists, but my emails and such are mine and I refuse to lay down and let the government walk all over my freedoms. So, if they want to exploit me, I'll make them work for it. So should you.

Important Tools:

https://piratebox.cc/openwrt:diy - Make as many of those as you can afford. It's like a private local cloud where information can continue to be shared.

https://prism-break.org/en/

https://www.privacytools.io/

https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/

https://search.disconnect.me/

Favorite Linux distributions:

https://tails.boum.org/ - Security anywhere you go on any computer.

http://www.backbox.org/ - I personally use this OS.

https://www.kali.org/ - Offensive defense.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ - The most common and user friendly OS.

https://trisquel.info/ - Based on Ubuntu but without added software.

https://www.torproject.org/ - Not useful by itself, but should be used in tandem with othPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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36ce70 No.25980

I dont really take a lot of measures to ensure my privacy but I know that supposedly using "tails" (mentioned in the OP) is one of the single most important steps to protecting privacy.




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140ae4 No.22523[Reply]

What does /islam/ think of Linda Sarsur? Is she a good spokeswoman for the Muslim community?

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e8d25d No.23313

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>>23312

The jewish media hates her because she supports the Palestinian struggle.

>>23311

I know that feeling but I think it was right and he did a good job. In the US we all pay taxes and we all need to ask forgiveness for that. I think of it as the brother trying to make the best of our situation.


fa7b49 No.25237

>>22680

Islam has it's own socio-economic system. If you have to say that Islam is compatible with Communism then Islam is also compatible with Fascism, Capitalism, Democracy, Libertarianism etc.


328b42 No.26094

>>22684

Gaddafi (RIP) was a fascist cocaine addict, you retard


328b42 No.26095

>>26094

(Btw I’m not defending Gaddafis personality here)


703d86 No.26096

>>26094

>you retard

That is not necessary.




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f3c09d No.22575[Reply]

And I've Picked a Side

>White supremacy is one of the greatest evils of the world, and knowing its history will help us identify its manifestations in our communities, writes Cyrus McGoldrick.

>The fading Roman Empire needed a boost, and so it blended its paganism with a bastardised version of the monotheist and politically revolutionary message of Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).

>The revelation of the Qur’an to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) set the record straight, confirming what was brought before it and correcting what was misunderstood, and the Muslims – the followers of all the prophets – have been a threat to the elites of the “Christian” world ever since, not only because of our message, but also because of the preference many minorities in Europe had to live under Muslim authority rather than their Christian oppressors.

>White supremacy

>Islam’s faces to Europe were Arab, Berber and Turkish. Unity around white Christian identity was the solution – a compound asabiyyah (tribalism) to trump the ethnic and national asabiyyah of each state. White supremacy is Christian supremacy and vice versa (even if it takes on Jewish rhetoric in occupied Palestine), and for periods of time (apart from in-fighting) it could unite the European powers against external threats.

>However, once they could hold their borders by effectively colonising their locals, they expanded outward, colonising the world, waging genocides in Africa, Asia, and the Americas.

>The United State is the child of this, and the liberal ideas expressed in the founding constitution were for white men and no one else.

>‘Whiteness’ itself was a battleground – the Irish weren’t ‘white’ at first but sought acceptance, as did other passable immigrant groups. But most people didn’t have that option.

>I am not a liberal, nor am Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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d1889a No.25857

>>25850

Virtually all of what you think of as "European culture" comes from Muslim merchants.


daff09 No.25919

clash of civilizations is a meme that has been disproven


fd3b5a No.26027

>>25857

You mean like the words "european", or "culture", or these very latin letters we type with?

Certainly someone copied someone elses culture, myths, government and theology, if you catch my meaning.


9a3443 No.26028

>>25850

there is no contradiction between European culture and Islam. European culture and Arab culture on the other hand are currently incompatible, were say Victorian England convert to islam they would never adopt the thobe or the turban but would rather keep their own cultural dress. look at the pic just add a hijab and suddenly its halal.


19f424 No.26092

>>26028

The cultures are absolutely compatible. All that is needed if for Europeans to submit to Allah.




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531b6b No.25992[Reply]

Government> constitutional monarchy primogeniture inheritance. the monarch is head of the armed forces and has the power to propose laws to Parliament and to appoint and depose prime ministers. parliament is made of two houses one the lower based on geographical location the other made of trade guilds and workers unions. the Parliament will approve the collection of taxes and confirm noble titles granted by the king.

legal> the sharia is dived into two parts the first, called core sharia, consisting of direct legal pronouncements and those that have punishments and the moral sharia. ie someone can be stoned for zina but the government wont force u to wear hijab making it a marker of individual piety. this will be enshrined in the Constitution and no parliament make illegal what is in the core sharia but they can modify it(ie using stone bullets rather than actually stones, closed to the public and selected execution squads)

Military> mandatory conscription and military ethos drilled into the whole population. the country will be divided into sectors based on population and distance with a military centre based. here six days a month the men of the sector must gather and practice military stuff. women must train 3 times a month.

Education> based on the apprentice system but military training(think GUP)

thoughts criticisms welcome

d890f3 No.25999

>>25992

>primogeniture kingdom

>not caliphate chosen by the people

Mmhmm

Nice Latin namefag too


55350e No.26000

>>25999

Who from among the people?


8ac2f2 No.26001

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>>25999

To much can go wrong when religion and politics it just takes one guy to claim that the khalif has dodgy aqeedah or that his aqeedah is kufur or that his aqeedah kharaji etc. not to mention if khalifat is turned into a popularity contest it degrades the office and can lead to popular but less than qualified person winning. a monarchy on the other hand such things may never come up and if does it less likely to set the state on the path to civil war. in my system Parliament holds most of the actual power so any bad king can be sidelined


53a7cc No.26091

>>25999

not him but he seems to be one of those "Stoicism" fans and thats probably why he's larping with a latin name




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691c82 No.23120[Reply]

why cant we adopt chan culture? like this image? do ((we)) have any edits?

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6b682d No.25905

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Memes are a good way to give people a positive introduction to something, without triggering their instinctual need to argue against it. Sort of like how the chans were ironically nazis, and then became full NatSoc. What's really important is not to fall into the trap /leftypol/ and /christian/ fell into. Those two boards do almost nothing but try to counter /pol/, and basically become unpaid shills. If you're dealing with /pol/ you should point to some "red-pilled" Islams, or try to convince them that civilization and Islam can go hand in hand. If you're talking to /r9k/ try to point out that Islam can cure a lot of the things that cause them woe. A lot of LARPers talk about "white sharia," this is an outright disgrace towards Islam, but pushing Muslim sharia would be a disgrace to no one. Avoiding spergouts and mindless sh*tflinging will istantly put /islam/ ahead of both Christian and pagan shills. Basically, just try to appear likable. If a Muslim pops up in a thread and immediately appears to be foreign and starts attacking things people sincerely believe in, then that person shouldn't be surprised to get a negative reaction. Worse yet, those people will develop a grudge against Islam, because they'll associate it with some autist on the internet.

I suggest ironically advocating stoning, for meme potential. Like /pol/ does with gassing.


190a24 No.25933

>>25905

Sounds good in theory but good luck getting through to those people.


6b682d No.25937

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I feel like there's meme potential in using the "draw Mohammed" nonsense, and drawing Mohammed Ali instead.


008fec No.25938

>>25933

it will work


84ea53 No.26089

>>25937

good idea




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f3eb24 No.25763[Reply]

I am a Christian, but I've been considering a conversation to Islam. My own faith has become boring and unfulfilling, and it doesn't give me a sense of hope like it used to.

I'm still hesitant to become a Muslim of the possible reaction of my family and friends. Any words of encouragement or further reasons to become Muslim would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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11b02d No.26043

>>25833

The state of Catholicism in America (and probably everywhere else) is pretty bad. I don't think he can be blamed for not finding it appealing.

If OP is still around, perhaps he could tell us about some specific things he is concerned about, whether it be spiritual practice, a political perspective, or even a point of fiqh, and we could help him find some information.

Someone who is reaching out shouldn't be turned away just because he doesn't already know exactly what he's doing.


704bf0 No.26052

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>>25763

even if you convert the feelings of being unfulfilled and bored will only go away for a short time and then ur stuck with Islam and the consequences of conversion. If i were you wait until you actually convinced that Islam is the truth.

t. my father is a convert i have had this conversation with him before and with converts at my mosque.


0ceefb No.26084

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247361 No.26085

>>26052

>If i were you wait until you actually convinced that Islam is the truth.

what if that never happens, isnt it better to fake it till you make it cause the culture and practices are fun, the praying and socialization, so is learning a new language and getting new clothes, imo this can lead to undestanding


e9d732 No.26088

>>26043

The Pope (assuming he's not protestant) is nothing more than a political tool, something which is supposed to be below religion.




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6fb19d No.26056[Reply]

I'm a 24 year old virgin who is disgusted and exhausted by this degenerate western culture I live in, I have had a couple opportunities to lose my virginity but couldn't bear to do it with women I know had taken many dicks before mine, how much would converting to Islam help me find a loyal wife? Are muslim women in western countries actually interested in monogamous relationships or do they put on a show and still slut it up?

03952f No.26058

If you go into a relationship thinking all women are irredeemable sluts, you'll only ever see irredeemable sluts. Converting to Islam might help you change your views on women, but if you're only doing it to have more religious women to ask out you won't be successful.


6fb19d No.26059

>>26058

I honestly don't think all women in the world are sluts but do you or have you lived in a major metropolitan area in a western country? It's impossible to find a woman who hasn't ☻ed multiple guys before she was 16, the only ones that haven't are always taken.


515988 No.26061

>>26056

>ponders converting to satisfy his sexual urges

let us know how it works out in the long run


375caf No.26064

>>26056

>how much would converting to Islam help me find a loyal wife

Well, it certainly couldn't hurt. Go to the mosque and give it a try.


84352c No.26087

>>26056

>converting to Islam help me find a loyal wife

You don't convert for a marriage, you convert because of God and your belief in the message.




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28edc7 No.25969[Reply]

assalamualaikum

After many months of serious deliberation (a year actually) I have decided I must convert. Regrettably I have not read the Quran as of yet but am ordering it imminently. I need faith in my life. I considered myself atheist for a time until I found myself mentioning God more and more despite telling myself I did not believe. I knew when I see degeneracy that God will punish them. This is what proved the existence of God to me. I now realize I always believed in God. Over the past months I found myself reading more and more of Islam and even watching shows like Joe Bradford.

To any lurkers questioning I suggest you convert as well. It can be a common experience for us.

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c69a44 No.25998

>>25993

Be sure you find a nearby mosque as well. Islam isn't a solitary religion and going to mosque on Friday is mandatory.


e9ffe4 No.26002

>>25998

I'm not the guy you were responding to, but

>Islam isn't a solitary religion and going to mosque on Friday is mandatory.

What if it's physically impossible for me to get to a mosque on Fridays? I took the Shahada a few months ago with Muslim witnesses, but I've never set foot in a mosque. I pray every day, though.


c69a44 No.26007

>>26002

>What if it's physically impossible for me

Unless it is physically life threatening, then you need to find a way. If transportation or distance is a problem, any of the brothers can help you.


f6e1cd No.26078

>>25969

I'm curious to hear more if your story and what caused you to convert if you are comfortable with that.


28edc7 No.26086

>>26078

My grandfather (deceased WWII vet) and grandmother (in her mid 90s) were serious donors to the Catholic church. However, if my grandfather was alive to see what the Catholic Church has become (or what it’s always been behind closed doors), I think he would think highly of Islam. My parents and siblings are nonbelievers. I will restore my Grandfathers legacy by returning my future family to God. Allah.




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72c768 No.26011[Reply]

Any salafi here can provide me names (and preferably download links) of beginning level and must read books of salafism?

PS: I'm not a lurker here so if you joke about it I won't get it.

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5c5481 No.26077

>>26076

to me it seems to do the opposite, by elevating them above normal people and mystifying them.

I have pictures of men I admire, I don't go worship them


90f9c4 No.26079

>>26077

While Qur'an doesn't specifically prohibit depictions of the Prophets, Muhammad(pbuh) himself said not to make any depictions of him. We, of course, honor Muhammad's request. As for the other Prophets, some branches of Islam are indifferent while others say absolutely not.

The policy of the board is to not allow any depictions of the Prophets. This is a Muslim board for all Muslims, regardless of affiliation. Someone who doesn't see a problem with a depiction of Jesus(pbuh) likewise won't be offended if such images are removed, whereas leaving the image up could potentially offend someone else. Personally, I have no problem with images depicting the Prophets other than Muhammad; but I'm not the only Muslim here.

My thought process is the same as in >>11001 where the board is to be treated like a mosque. If someone put a picture of Jesus up in the mosque, those who would be offended could simply avert their gaze (the IRL hitting of the [-] button) or the picture could simply be removed from the mosque. It is better to remove the picture.


40aa10 No.26081

>>26079

hmm that makes sense, thanks for the response

wish your mods/vols were this useful and less itching to ban people or delete posts they find suspicious


bf9e20 No.26082

>>26081

In the last 3 weeks only 2 bans have been handed out, both for spam. It has been 5 days since a post has been deleted.

I don't think that constitutes "itching to ban".


40aa10 No.26083

>>26082

I'm a bit outdated, haven't been here for a few months

Previously my experiences were terrible with overly sensitive mods/vols




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7826ff No.26073[Reply]

>a bunch of Arab atheists working together having all of the information of the world at their disposal thinking they will prove something by attempting the challenge of writing something like the Qu'ran which was revealed by a illiterate man at a time where technology was practically non-existent

>And they will still fail

Atheists Trying to make a chapter like Qu'ran:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIe5kSSavKA&t

Refutation of their attempt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1F9yF5xR3g

76b1c6 No.26080

So the best they could do is copy phrases from the Quran and stitch them together with words found in it? It's an interesting attempt, and I hope they keep trying, but they've got a long way to go.

The last part of the last verse sticks out. "…and your preventing people from listening to it is proof.". It sounds more clickbaity than the Quran's usual "This is true, if only you'd reason", and ironically I'm going to share their verses to prove how hard it is to imitate the Quran.




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a1fd37 No.20806[Reply]

الله‎

Allah, The Unmoved Mover

>And it will not be possible to be and not to be the same thing, except in virtue of an ambiguity, just as if one whom we call ‘man’, others were to call ‘not-man’; but the point in question is not this, whether the same thing can at the same time be and not be a man in name, but whether it can in fact. – Aristotle, Metaphysics

>Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent; has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?”

>1 Samuel 15:29 “And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.”

>Job 9:32 “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, that we may go to court together.”

The concept of trinity disagrees with both the scripture of the Hebrews and the logic of the Greeks – the two very things Hellenist Jews wanted so desperately to combine when they contrived Christianity.

The laws of the excluded middle and contradiction do not undermine monotheism, they demand it. They undermine the trinity which is rank paganism. Logic can be seen as negative theology (what God isn’t) while revelation is positive theology (what God is). Monotheism can only be undermined when the imperfect reasoning abilities of men are placed above revelation – which is exactly what the trinity doctrine does.

Divinity can be seen as “irrational” in the sense that the human mind alone cannot be expected to properly quantify it, hence the need for revelation from above. If we accept the premise of unrevealed divinity and its “irrationality” then monotheism is less irrational a priori than polytheism. In this same manner Unitarianism is less irrational than Trinitarianism. Then if we accept the premise of revealed divinity along with the veracity of Abrahamic scripture we find that monotheism is more veracious a posteriori than polytheism;Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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55a8d0 No.25666

>>25661

The miracles you speak of are never caught on camera, except for the crying statue hoaxes. And they never occur except in places where the catholic church is already firmly established and can easily orchestrate them with its secretive orders backed by its bureaucracy. These parlor games of a medieval shroud, bloody communion wafers, etc don't carry much weight. They are "verified" by the same centralized church that staged them.

And the difference regarding kalam cosmological argument is that it only proves a singular indivisble eternal unmoved mover. There is no room for any three persons in the rational kalam argument. That is why you can use that argument against atheists but we use it against atheists and christians.


55a8d0 No.25667

>>25661

>new testament unambiguous about Isa bin Maryam' divinity

Who are you trying to convince with such assurances? Former catholic nun Karen Armstrong says even Paul didn't consider Isa bin Maryam to be god. Logic, textual criticism, Islam, all fly in the face of your claims. Throughout the gospels whenever Isa bin Maryam is called God or indeed even good he rebukes the person who says so.

We can get along just fine but if you come here trying to convert us we will be forced to disabuse you of your claims. I'm sure you understand, no hard feelings.


4beed7 No.25668

>>25666

>The miracles you speak of are never caught on camera, except for the crying statue hoaxes. And they never occur except in places where the catholic church is already firmly established and can easily orchestrate them with its secretive orders backed by its bureaucracy. These parlor games of a medieval shroud, bloody communion wafers, etc don't carry much weight. They are "verified" by the same centralized church that staged them.

Fair points, but I put faith in the apparitions because many of them came from children who were so clearly faithful that it would be ridiculous to believe they were lying. Bernadette Soubirous, Lucia Santos, Francisco Marto, Jacinta Marto, Terese of Liseaux, all of them testified to these kinds of apparitions and affirmed their validity to their deaths, and if you read their writings it is clear that they are not bureaucrats with an agenda but simple children with a simple faith. Also yes, the shroud of turin and eucharistic miracles are easy to dismiss, but, again, dismissing the accounts of the miracle of the sun, to which even atheists attested, is not as easy.

>And the difference regarding kalam cosmological argument is that it only proves a singular indivisble eternal unmoved mover.

Aquinas affirmed the kalam argument, to the point that many Christians erroneously attribute it to him. Yet he still believed in the 3 in 1 body wash of fun because the only division of the trinity was in relation, not in essence. What, then, is irrational about the necessity of relations, a subject and object, for both action and knowledge?

>>25667

>Former catholic nun Karen Armstrong says even Paul didn't consider Isa bin Maryam to be god.

To examine this I think it would be best to get at the heart of a passage that most explicitly lays out Paul's views on the subject. "..yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Isa bin Maryam Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist throPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


d942e6 No.25676

>>25668

>Fair points, but I put faith in the apparitions because many of them came from children who were so clearly faithful that it would be ridiculous to believe they were lying.

Only children raised catholic and surrounded by catholic imagery have these visions. Isn't that called preaching - or "appearing" to the choir. Your fondness for apparitions and what others would call delusions/hallucinations/chicanery are why you follow your sect, not why you are a christian. Indeed about half of all christians reject these claims as superstitious. Catholics also have phallic idols because some sweet innocent peasant girls are sure they made them conceive…

>Aquinas affirmed the kalam argument, to the point that many Christians erroneously attribute it to him. Yet he still believed in the 3 in 1 body wash of fun because the only division of the trinity was in relation, not in essence.

In other words he tried to reconcile trinity with kalam. He didnt arrive at trinity through kalam, that's what I said.

>What, then, is irrational about the necessity of relations, a subject and object, for both action and knowledge?

This is just a distinction without a difference, we touched on these trini wordgames earlier in the thread.

>To examine this I think it would be best to get at the heart of a passage that most explicitly lays out Paul's views on the subject. "..yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Isa bin Maryam Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him."

Paul, though employing high christolatry, is making a clear distinction here between Isa bin Maryam and God.

>Here Paul does not deny the singularity of the One God

Exactly. One God The Father. Not 3 iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


00be2b No.26072

Doesn't it say in the Bible that Ibrahim عليه السلام‎ had multiple wives?




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