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The King is dead! Long live the King!

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Welcome to /monarchy/. I'm editing this top post in order to condense things. This is now the only sticky and a general meta thread. There has been no change in BO, I'm just trying to clean things up a bit more. I may delete out posts in this thread just because I would like keeping the >>1 post for tradition's sake.

Rules: https://8ch.net/monarchy/charter.html

About/Links: https://8ch.net/monarchy/about.html

More specifically, if there is a new BO or volunteer of /monarchy/, it's announced here. If there is a change to the rules, it is promulgated here. This is also a thread I'll use to be a little less aloof and talk about minor and meta stuff: general feedback, complaining about troll threads, accepting submissions for flags, banners, moderation, and rules, etc.. A court, if you will.

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King, will you update the aristocrat/commoner thing to peasant and aristocrat? And also, we will refer to most people as peasant rather than anon, like how /r9k/ refers themselves as robots.

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Can we get a Monarchist reading list?

I'll start with some:
Dante's De Monarchia
De Maistre's The Generative Principle of Political Constitutions
Filmer's Patriarcha
Kuehnelt-Leddihn's Liberty or Equality
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Thank you. I appreciate the read.

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Bring in the most iconic pictures.

Let's have a content dump for all images we cherish.

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I hope you all know the poor MS paint text over fucking anime pictures template makes you look like spastic austists.


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Contribute music, preferably monarchy-related.

Marches, songs, and contemporary music.

WebM, mp4, and Youtube.

Music inspires.

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Pathetic. Vid related, the ultimate anthem.


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I know you peasants play video games. Let us share our favorite games and monarchy-related fantasies.

<what possible games could interest a monarchist?

Peasant, let me tell you. There are a variety of mods and historical themes for all games. Paradox games usually take the cake. For this audience, I am recommending Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword's mod called "English Civil War".


It is a fun mod and a hidden gem.

<how is this thread pertinent to /monarchy/

Because gamers are lurking and sometimes it is best to kickback and relax. We are peasants and aristocrats. There are many video games related to this subject matter across all genres. This is a possible frontier to have fun.

You are free to discuss /monarchy/-related games and usual stuff here.

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Hear yee, hear yee, the Homestead belongs to Peasants. Post banter and do whatever you want in the Homestead. It is the place for peasant dialogues, peasant banter, and peasant media. The Homestead is the place of free reign and unbridled peasantry.

Aristocrats are welcome to sit and laugh at peasant LARPing. Even talk with peasants, but this is the peasants' turf.

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Everyone is dumb, I am the smartest, as you can see by my digits.


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>San Francisco is a gay city

Not when Norton was alive, that's for sure. Unless you mean "happy", but I don't think you did.

>Emperor Nortion I is a bit Hebrew

Where is your evidence, or are you being figurative? And if he was actually Jewish, so what? He definitely didn't act Jewish, so I don't see the issue.

>>Emperor Norton I as legitimate

Although the other anon is an autistic faggot, he's right in that he never said nor implied it, and I do understand his frustrations when it comes to idiots who assume things. Surely you've experienced the same?

>Not even Mad Monarchist supports him and admits he is a local joke.

As anyone. He was never seen as an actual ruler, but was respected regardless because people liked him, in the same way as a lonely geezer might be by a community, as the other anon said, because everyone knew he was nuts but he wasn't ever a threat. Also, we have him to thanks for the San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge, as he declared that such a bridge ought to be built, and others saw the wisdom in this.


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Filthy peasant.


>He definitely didn't act Jewish

<declares himself Emperor after a deal gets really bad selling rice

<Norton's parents were John Norton (d. August 1848) and Sarah Norden, who were English Jews. John was a farmer and merchant, and Sarah was a daughter of Abraham Norden and a sister of Benjamin Norden, a successful merchant. (Wikipedia)

<Norton's apathy in the race riots with Chinese, not because he was an authority or Emperor trying to keep peace, but rather because Jewish 'egalitarian' belief where all goyim are equally goyim

Let me entertain something.

Speaking as a monarchist who respects the institution and suspects real power when it is present, aristocrat-san, this is not real power. Power is present in an authority and people act upon it. Norton almost had the authority since the People did recognize his proclamation to extent. His social contract foundation is solid for legitimacy. However, as a self-proclaimed Emperor, providence did not sway his way, but he did have the comfort of being somewhat recognized as a cultural ruler. When it comes to sovereign power, there is this factor and there is chance that someone becomes an authority, and Emperor Norton I is a good half-way mark of what that actually looks like. I think it is a good scenario to imagine, someone declaring themselves Emperor and what factors into them having real power from that declaration. Any monarchist should contemplate this. I don't really have much against Emperor Norton I himself, aristocrat anon, except for those few things I stated.

>others saw the wisdom in this

>because everyone knew he was nuts

The crazy are most wise in this world, my aristocrat.


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Aristocrat and peasant, let's be civil. This is because I want to talk about legitimacy. I don't really hold a grudge on the character of Emperor Norton like I said earlier.

>San Francisco

Still a gay city.


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Also, with this >>3779, he's sperging out because he's implying I implied something with my greentext. Let me tell you, it is trivial. I just greentext because I felt like it, not because I implied anything.

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How does /monarchy/ feel about imperialism and the legacy of colonial empires? Do we have apologists for it? For or against it?

Common arguments are the colonial empires benefit the conquered in building various institutions like hospitals, schools, and developing the economy in exchange for the resources. Christian missionaries also followed in the dominion of empires, spreading Christianity and churches along the way. From the Christian perspective, this is a very benevolent force of colonialism. Among these benefactors, the empires were not all necessarily violent in their expansion. A few of the indigenous people and local royalty chose to side with the empires. Nothing comes without price, so the subjects of imperial rule surely had to benefit the colonial rulers. It still benefited both to a degree, despite the subjugation or incorporation of those peoples. The rise and fall of empires brings glories and shame across the globe. Yet nobody would give away an empire, as the empires were a higher status among nations.

Obvious downfalls were the violence and horrors of the domain. No person easily accepted subjugation without a cost. The cost-benefit evaluation always throttles. When faced with enemies, it comes to compromises with a higher power, but it often means being taken advantage of. Still, for what colonial empires were, the name British Empire still evokes a sense of pride and glory.

If not for empires, it should be stated what better alternatives ought to exist. What we see in the world today is touted to be imperialism in disguise and a few mark the United States as an empire. Despite the US being far from the glories of an empire, there is a perceived hegemony across the globe. – Besides that, what models there instead of an empire is interesting enough. Like monarchy, I consider an empire to be most honest in how desirable it is to take the status of an empire.

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Leave it to a brainlet to post "meme" with a statue of Caracalla, one of the worst Roman emperors.

Why are reactionaries so stupid?




But he granted citizenship to all freemen regardless of ancestry. I thought cucks like you would appreciate that judging by how you welcome Pablo and Achmed.


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>Why are reactionaries so stupid?




It wasn't that much of a prize when he did it, and he did it essentially to widen the tax base.


Just restore the monarchies of the conquered people and imperials will have nothing to apologize.

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Jacobite Thread


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Catholic England once more.

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TFW no irl qt monarchist gf who will help you reclaim ancestral lands for God, King, and Country.


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That's a nice savior you got there…


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This is tumblr now. Did it start on /r9k/, or did that first OP get it elsewhere I wonder?


Got any children locked up for occult practices, OP?



These are hilarious. Great job.

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I know monarchism and the third position has had a complicated past it is a love hate relationship between us but our goals are the same and that is to preserve and improve our nation culture and people we received a gift from one of you not so long ago it was a harmless drawing but still a gift never the less I view this gift as a sign of friendship and I hope our 2 boards remain as allies we are both nationalists after all

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There are no grounds to seperate nationalism from nationality. Contrary to Leftist influenced narratives claiming that things like racial identity and/or seperation are an invention of the White Devil, civilizations as early as the Han seperated themselves from their neighbors. Racially. Hence Roman citizenship being restricted for much of Rome's history.


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MM tackles it in his article.


>Despite what some think, nationalism was not a purely post-revolutionary invention, though it certainly did become more pronounced in many places after the French Revolution, largely because of the impact the French Revolutionary Wars had on other, neighboring countries such as Italy and Germany. However, long before the French Revolution there was the German First Reich, officially the, “Holy Roman Empire of the German *Nation*” which included all people of the German nationality. France, likewise, clearly had a kind of nationalism before the Revolution. During the Hundred Years War, the French fought long and hard to oppose being overtaken and ruled by the English in spite of the fact that the English looked like they did, worshipped as they did and even had kings who were in many ways more French than English. Yet, they still understood that they were French, the English were not and wished for France to remain French and not become English. Throughout the Middle Ages, everyone knew that a Frenchman was a Frenchman. He was not the same as a German or an Englishman or an Italian or a Spaniard. Pre-Revolutionary Europeans understood the concept of nationalism, it was only that in those days, faith was more important than nationality. That did not mean that nationality did not exist or was inconsequential but that there was more to it than that.

He also wrote this article I like.


>In demonstrating how peoples make countries, one will also see quite clearly how, even in our very republican-dominant age, monarchies loom very large given the fact that throughout most of human history, in every part of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



I made a thread on >>>/liberty/


wich also applies to monarchies. Social and state coherence is to weak to withstand Bolshevism, that's why after the great war came the fascist movements.



u r jew



We are not ideologues, kindly go back to your own board if you're going to pit idealistic cogs with in a political grinder.

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Do you think a pagan monarchy could possibly arise in Europe's future (or any other part of the world)?

Me personally, I think that if people were to go back to their roots in terms of political ideology, they should also go back to the spiritual/religious traditions of their ancestors. Since christianity is a semitic religion with exclusively semitic prophets it has no connection to Europe whatsoever. It would not make sense for an non-Hebrew king to claim that he rules by divine right if the god he worships is one created by Hebrews.

The only modern monarchy I know of that could be considered a pagan monarchy is that of Japan whose ruling family claims to be descended from the Shintoist sun goddess Amaterasu (Shintoism being the native religion of Japan). Before the end of WWII the emperor was considered to be a god-like being himself and was actually worshipped by some.

A monarch that is actually an important aspect of his people's religion would be hard to be overthrown and indeed, the Japanese royal family has ruled for thousands of years.

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Christ, King and Country tbh


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I'd honestly like to see how pagans would redeem monarchy in their revival of civilization.


Reminder that being Anti-Pagan goes in line with accepting racemixing.



watch legend of the galactic heroes

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Could Europe have industrialised as quickly under the continued reign of Absolutism or did progress depend on the stronger individual rights achieved (directly and indirectly) by the forces of liberalism?

Britain did very well and shed itself of Absolutism fairly quickly– Northern Europe in general has done better than the South, and been relatively more free– however the issue is probably more nuanced than that. How do you think we find out the truth?

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>Could Europe have industrialised as quickly under the continued reign of Absolutism

Absolutely. Industrialization comes organically with free markets and property rights. If the monarch would promise to protect your property and mind his own business while letting you mind yours, then the country will industrialize organically without any ill effects.

It's also possible to round everyone up like cattle and send them to factories, and you will possibly achieve industrialization faster this way, but there's absolutely no need to rush to shit out canned food and cheap products, because if people really needed it that bad, they would have started doing it already, and instead you get a lot of problems.


You're almost right, the problem isn't industrialization, the problem is forced industrialization, when the government makes economic policies that favour companies and factories to try to industrialize faster just so they could out-compete some other country, what you get is all those things you mentioned.

he worst case of this happening was in Soviet Russia, where they sacrificed armies of slaves to industrialize the country, while Finland (which was economically similar to Russia before the revolution) stayed agrarian well into the 70s and they were much wealthier and much better off than the Russians.


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>when the government makes economic policies that favour companies and factories to try to industrialize faster just so they could out-compete some other country

That's just regular industrialization. Virtually every industrial country employed interventionist measures to industrialize in the first place.



Indeed. The Meiji Revolution even had the emperor become a proper monarch instead of the figure head the position of emperor had in Japanese society for a long while.



>That's just regular industrialization.

Industrialization comes with new automation technologies, not with government policies. You couldn't force ancient people to industrialize if you simply didn't have the technology for it, otherwise you'd be limited to forcing everyone to build a windmill near their house or something and working all day to produce shit they don't need instead of doing more important activities. It will be like China where there is a lot of cheap shit, but the rest of the country is shit.

>Virtually every industrial country employed interventionist measures to industrialize in the first place.

You're right, but they did it to varying degrees. The problem is interventionism, not industrialization. With interventionism, even if you have good intentions, you create imbalances in parts of the economy. When someone without any help or hindrance from the government builds his own factory or workshop, when he hires workers on terms that they are happy with and they can choose to not work for you if they don't want to, when other people have the ability to sue the factory owner if his factory is creating problems for people nearby or for the environment, then none of the serious problems that we have with industrialization would come about. The process might take place slower, but there's absolutely no need to rush things and cause chaos.

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2500 years down the drain, in recent living memory. What went wrong? Could it have gone right? What does /monarchy/ think about Iranian monarchy? For me, it's gotta be Nader Shah.

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>Explain the 1953 coup

Don't care, tbh. Yes, the Americans did help and bolster him. It just isn't stealing if you're taking back what's rightfully yours. And also, he is a monarch so it isn't exactly the American ideal either way. It's not like anyone of us want another democracy anyways. The whole "puppet" jingo always bothers me anyways.

<You might be letting polmemes and/or Axis apologism cloud your skull.

>You're lettings shekels cloud your skull, that's for sure.

<proceeding to babble about kikes anyways

Proving me right. Mind you, I am Maurras posting. I don't take Axis/Ally side, I am pro-monarchy.

>finding faults with an individual monarch makes you a demotist

Your faults are kinda crap. I don't see why you have these standards are so bad. The Shah looks like any ideal strongman you people usually babble about. I only see people with a particular bias and a particular bone to pick with this particular monarch.


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As Maurras poster, I'm gonna clarify I am not >>3757 him.



>The Chinese hasn't reached anywhere near the level of domination the British and Americans had achieved prior to the revolution (establishing economic spheres of influence and overthrowing Iran's government at a whim).

>Letting foreigners meddle is okay when they're not Whitey

>You're lettings shekels cloud your skull, that's for sure.

>muh kikes

Did past Muslim rulers include Jews in their domain Y/N

>>finding faults with an individual monarch makes you a demotist

Combined with your strongman fetishization and yapping about demotist notions of "charisma" and "merit" yes it does.



There's Imperial Iran, pro-Pahlavi videos in the music thread, tbh.


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I think you mean "rustled".

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This is a no-anime zone. Post high-quality aesthetic paintings and quotes of historical or fictitious kings and monarchists. Bonus points for realistic depictions of medieval (or fantasy) knights.

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Some of those arguments should be added to the 'about' page.



>57% support in Georgia

Most of those numbers are pretty surprising over all, but why is Georgia so based?


I posted it elsewhere, but >>2686 is one of my favorite paintings.


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For Aristocrats to discuss philosophy, religion, history, literature, and politics. No peasants are welcome within these gates (unless they want to engage these topics and have clown banter with Aristocrats). Randomness belongs in the Homestead. This is the home of debate and civil discussion.


do commoners have a moral obligation to serve a king that is deliberately working against the best interests of the nation?


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>do commoners have a moral obligation to serve a king that is deliberately working against the best interests of the nation?

Yes, and national interests are hard to define. Unless you jump into extreme hypothetical situations with the king opening up borders and doing all this wild stuff we see in the age of republics. For most cases, it is best to be loyal and obedient.

>best interests of the nation

However you define this, I wouldn't understand. This could really be dependent on circumstances and those always could go for best or worst. A king could become a vassal and have a foreign presence, but the king is still someone to be loyal to and you can still oppose the foreign presence. There are real monarchists who have done this and became martyrs for their royalty.


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Unless a new king arrives, overtaking the current king as a legitimate authority, I don't see why anyone should. Popular sovereignty doesn't have a single interest except for basic comforts and this usually combines with the monarchy's interest. Hobbes explains in Leviathan that a monarchy doesn't depend on the benefit of the monarch or the subjects. Both may benefit from having justice, for example.


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If a king tells you to do something immoral, you are okay to refuse. If you are punished, you will suffer and become a martyr. A good example is Thomas More, who became a martyr and still respected his king's authority.


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I apologize for raping you with Mad Monarchist quotes. I collect these and continue his tradition of pissing people off with anime stuff as a means of honoring him. Well, >>3749 as this quote suggests, you could always deal with officials around the royalty and dismantle their influence. This could be anyone in power or anything subversive.

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