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7d646b No.2362[Reply]

Direct all discussions regarding cryptocurrency here.

Remember to do your own research and take anonymous investment advice with a grain of salt.

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04024b No.2658


>that email

Hi Matthew.

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2dc8eb No.1659[Reply]

Is our board owner still active?

Currently the rules are lax, but I want to bring up the discussion of additional ones.

In one image is 4chan's /biz/ board in 2015, which is far different from current /biz/.



Here you can see a different topics related to business and finances being discussed. Some anons wanting discussion on job searching, investments, or starting a business. While we all have different opinions on how to make money, we can at least see some coherent topics.

4chan's /biz/ in its current state, is flooded with shills trying to influence buying and selling behaviors. Allegedly Indian pump and dump groups, and some discord/telegram group advertisements looking to recruit anons into market manipulation teams (exchange pump & dump, or FUD/hype). If it isn't what's previously mentioned, it's simply the image of a cryptocurrency and a one liner OP regarding speculation, or a meme and some day trader panic.

I'd like to gauge some opinions from this- to have the rules expanded to prevent 8chan /biz/ from becoming 4chan /biz/. For example, disallow begging threads and advertising.

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fd9e4c No.2514


Discussion of scams and scamming is allowed.

>Not to mention, what is really the problem?

The concern was primarily posting quality rather than morals or legality. For example, the situation with cryptocurrency results in several short threads and near-spam type threads because of whatever market fluctuations. Additionally a lot of shilling because they're generally used as investments rather than payment methods.

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bfcb77 No.425[Reply]

Welcome to /biz/, a place for business and finance.


1.Follow Global rules

2. Post's must pertain to Business and Finance.

4.Keep threads on topic

Reading material/Self help:


•Common Sense Investing - J.Bogle (of vanguard)

•The Intelligent investor - Ben Graham

•Irrational Exuberance - R. Shiller

•Technical Analysis of the Financial market-John J Murphy


•Capitalism and freedom - Milton Friedman

•Wealth of Nations - Adam Smith

•The Bell Curve - Murrary

•Fooled by randomness - NN Taleb

•The Black Swan - NN Taleb

•Antifragile - NN Taleb

Have a nice day!

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f4a666 No.2367

Cryptocurrency threads are temporarily bumplocked and will be unbumplocked later. Discussion is to go towards the sticky.

This measure was taken because of the catalog being dominated by multiple short threads and scattered discussions regarding the topic.

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79ef41 No.2645[Reply]


eBay seller volunteers refund shortly after the estimated delivery period starts and long before it ends, and when this is pointed out to him he insists on giving a refund

I am confused. Is fuckery afoot? What is going on?

f6336b No.2649


Sounds like you are talking to a well-meaning and over-eager to help support Indian.

79ef41 No.2650


Singaporean, 97.5% feedback score with ~50k sales since 2014.

f6336b No.2651


I haven't done business with or bought anything from eBay lately. I'd consider it as someone who really wants to maintain that positive feedback score.

ddb17b No.2659

feedback is important on ebay, they are aware of it therefore they don't want any frustrated customers

don't be a bitch, wait until the end date before asking for a refund

ddb17b No.2660


I'm NOT Canadian by the way, hence the "don't be a bitch"

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ca2dcc No.1341[Reply]

Due to the original thread on /pol/ being bumplocked by mods, may this thread serve as a hivemind financial planning thinktank wing of 8chan.


>Viable penny stocks to cooperatively invest in to develop a consensus approved, diversified, low risk high reward portfolio

Candidates as of right now:

PTN (multiple pharma trials)

PLX (interest due to positive trial outlook)

TGB (Copper being the modern bronze, metals are up)

MSTX (Ripe for takeover by the a bigger, private company Savara)

SSY (Entry level healthcare firm offering stock buyback)

>Bring attention to those stocks via speculation and memesmithing to attract jewish gold to it

>Dump stocks until such gains are maximized OR a company becomes pozzed to make a point

>Increase personal wealth

>Repeat as necessary until we wield financial power on par with /pol/'s meme magicks


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8ee99e No.2525

Fuck, I can't find a single copper mining stock under $10. Would have been great to cash in on the ongoing rally. REED turned out to be a dud (so far), and I hope anyone who went into ICAD pulled out by now.

We need more people here who don't shit the board up with threads about cryptocurrency.

8ee99e No.2544

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>small time

I think we'd be missing out big time if we don't set aside at least some guilty pleasure money for otc stocks, even if it's $1. Look at BTSC stock: holding long term from January 2016 at .2 cents per share to 41.4 cents per share in November meant a fucking 207x return just because lol muh ponzicoin. The only problem with OTC stocks right now is that Robinhood doesn't support them yet, and we don't have another way to go without paying shitty fees.

5e6360 No.2627


so, mine monero?

Also, I just got here. What do I dump 50 bucks into months later?

bbacfd No.2648

retard here, what's a good starter guide to investing and shit?

in b4 buy stock /biz/ tells me to and HODL

49b447 No.2653

How or where do I start a portfolio? what the best place or website to do it?

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9abb8e No.2652[Reply]

Any CoinMetro chads here? I've just entered the flash sale.

For those unaware of the ICO:


d9c4db No.2655

Cryptocurrency discussions belong in the sticky.

6b7afe No.2646[Reply]


ECOSYSTEM FOR A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE. Designed and backed by the European Union’s fastest growing private energy provider.

Pre-sale running until February, over $ 14 million already raised:

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6b7afe No.2647

Over 47% of tokens already sold in the pre-sale, not sure there will be any left for the ICO:

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983891 No.558[Reply]

bitcoin = 200USD

I don't see it can go any lower, well that wasn't that bad I think. I see bit coin is a medium of exchange but not a store value.

what do you think?

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ca5a73 No.2242

sibos 2017 happened just recently I enjoy watching suits talk about technology they don't really understand. Some good points were made though. First off, banks are backing plenty of startups, bad news though, in that the bankers keep calling these startups "proof of concepts" even though the startups themselves act as though they are major partners to the banks for crypto they are not and you as an investor might get the rug pulled out from under your feet when a bank backs a competing startup to one they already backed. Careful with things like request.network. Though I'll admit I am holding 2000 REQ on the side I am only holding because its so low and the development of the platform is quick, I plan on selling on news and if you are a holder I suggest you do the same.

Sibos has a youtube channel, but they took down the day long streams, you'll have to watch bite sized videos that are all over the place, Lunch with Sibos has 2 good episodes, check out day 3.

Sibos also had a talk on Hyperledger and blockchain security, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WiumhlGwdk This is an important watch if you want to understand why there wont just be one major blockchain that all the banks will use. Simply, its illegal to have JP Morgan money with Goldman money. It'll be the same on blockchain even if you make a network where those parties can not interact. This is good news for altchains.

Other then Sibos lets talk about government for blockchain startups, we are seeing interesting startups come into the field that are working with government regulation (Modum) and some startups are even getting government funding (PowerLedger) https://web.powerledger.io/mediarelease/

This is a sign that startups might be where governments will warm up to the idea of blockchain.

Monero is shaky, I suggested to my friends IRL to buy XMR at $90 but they didnt listen, I feel like this is a repeat of the past, could reach 300 around eoy.

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7440e2 No.2590

Easy 20% returns per day, just join the /biz/ pump group:

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360a70 No.2619

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>3 years later

Bitcoin = 12000USD

I don't see it can go any lower, well that wasn't that bad I think. I see bit coin is a medium of exchange but not a store value.

what do you think?

3f7f57 No.2626


Check again faggot, BTC is trading at sub 9k on most exchanges

3f78ce No.2637

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Shes at $11,600 USD right now, going up.

I hope nobody sold, top Kek.

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ee238d No.1732[Reply]

I'm thinking about growing wood, so I figured out I'll post it here.

So I've got this small piece of land (20+ha) where I currently grow nothing, just cut grass and get some sweet EU money. It's nice, but it'll end soon, so I'm thinking how can I use this plot of land, and I found this chinese superhero, Pawlounia tree which seems suspiciously profitable, so I told myself that I'll share what I know with you.

It grows super fast, you should be able to get 1m^3 from one tree in just 8 years, and after you cut it down tree will regrow back, even a little faster. Wood is not very dense, but still dense enough to use for pretty much anything. As I said, it's not a tree, it's chinese superhero.

let's do some basic math…

One tree requires about 4x5m^2 = 20 m^2. 1 ha = 10.000m^2 => 1 ha = 500 trees.

Solid boards sells at about 250€/m^3, but I'm no farmer, I have no contacts, let's use 100€/m^3 as best case scenario, and 20€/m^3 (firewood) as worst case scenario

By this logic, 1 ha should produce something between 500*20€ and 500*100€, or 10.000€ and 50.000€ every 8 years. 500 trees cost about 3750€, so profit, without calculation price of tech and fuel, is something between 6.250€ and 46.250€, or something between 780€ and 5780€ per annum. This looks fucking insanely good, I believe there must be some hidden things I do not see right now.

I do not own tractor, so planting more than 1 ha is impossible.

What do you think about it? Do you think I have forgot about something? Do you have any suggestions?

I personally want to buy 10 trees this spring and plant them so I'll make sure that they won't reject my land, find out if deers find them tasty and so on.

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185b1d No.1810


You drill a hole in a maple tree and get sap. You the take the sap and boil it down which turns it into syrup. Maple syrup is fucking delicious and can be sold for a decent amount only issue is the yield is really bad 5 liters will yield 1 liter.

ecc12c No.1814

Depending on where you live, your property taxes may exceed the numbers you mentioned..

41de1c No.1818

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Hope this helps. I didn't mean to derail the thread into maple syrup by the way.

f898b6 No.1825


If you dont have native sugar maples in your area there is no way you are gonna get any returns for 1/2 a century or more. Not to mention that the syryp racket is jewed up to the extreme.

>Birches also make syryp but to worst ratio of sap to syryp, but they grow about a bijillion times easiest, and its still a bad idea.

Campsite would not be terrible depending on where and what you got for land there. Farm would also not be terrible but the idea of getting something for nothing is just not going to happen.

3ab0d2 No.2630

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Arboriculturist here. Think I can help and give you some advice and confidence OP. Your plan is similar to mine, once I've obtained some land.

>Solid boards sells at about 250€/m^3, but I'm no farmer, I have no contacts, let's use 100€/m^3 as best case scenario, and 20€/m^3 (firewood) as worst case scenario

Firstly don't forget you'd have 8 years to make contacts while they grow. I don't know if those figures are for generic "timber" or this specific wood, but I think you could expect to sell it for near or full market value, especially if you export it to Japan.

>500 trees cost about 3750€

>I do not own tractor, so planting more than 1 ha is impossible.

Grow them from seed. Plant 2-3 seeds per tree you want and thin them out once they've germinated. Seed-grown trees are much more adapted to their environment than imported standards, therefore they grow faster (often overtaking immigrant trees within 5 years) and are less susceptible to local bad weather, diseases and pests (expect to lose 2-5% of your crop to these). Seeds are also about 1000x cheaper to do and you could plant all 20 hectares yourself by hand over a few weeks. The standard trees you would otherwise buy are probably no more than 1-2 years old at most, these things grow at 7 feet per year.

>calculation price of tech and fuel

I don't think you would need any tech or fuel before actually cropping them, aside from deer fencing. Your young trees will be a magnet for rabbits and deer, you need to fence them out and shoot the ones that will inevitably get through. DO NOT use chemical fertilisers or fungicide/pesticides. You will kill your mycorrhizzal fungi network and soil food web.

On that note, other advice I can give you:

>Mix planting, cultivate healthy soil food web

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c14c98 No.2063[Reply]


Just found out about bitpay cards.

Why should one invest into Monaco Tenx Metal and the likes if there is already an easy way to move btc onto a visa card?

e1332b No.2066

Alot of promises.

Multiple cryptos supported with tenx and mco.

Incentivised through cashback(mco,tenx)

ways to earn tokens(metal)

Sending money worldwide through the app(mco)

Mco promising a crypto pool which you can burn your tokens for your share of the pool at the time.

BTC as a currency is a joke atm with it's ever increasing fees and tx times.

c14c98 No.2067

That is an interesting analysis, thank you.

5183d4 No.2191

Any Bitcoin Debit Card is pretty pointless, at least for me.

I can get a FREE CREDIT CARD that i can pay to with SEPA transaction. And i can use bitwala to make that SEPA transaction.

So this is 1. cheaper 2. its credit not debit, i can pay at the end of the month the exact amount that i need. Not keep my btc on some online wallet in advance.


If you use a Bitcoin Debit card, you are not paying with bitcoin. You are paying with Visa.

So unless you live in some country where you dont get free credit cards or unless you dont have a bank account,

where is the point in bitpay cards or tenx or monaco?

86de1d No.2598

Easy 20% returns per day, just join the /biz/ pump group:

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So don't miss that info !!!

KuCoin market, so feel free to register there, while registration is still possible :)


Thx :)..

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cce87e No.2618

Suddenly, the entire concept of 'crypto' goes right out of the window. What's the point in spending bitcoin for things you can pay for with actual untraceable cash? You guys are trying to raise my blood pressure.

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a67caf No.1892[Reply]

Is scamming idiots online considered /biz/? I have a little story. This one guy was asking on an adult chatroom for a hooker. I asked him what's up because I'm wondering why he wants a hooker so bad and he says he wants a girl to go on a business trip with him for a month. I give him a fake name, use fake pics, and all while using a username I've never used anywhere else. On top of that I use a vpn so I'm almost certain that he could never trace this all back to me. I tell this guy I'm a girl and that I'd do it for $5k half when the deal is made and half when the trip is over. He said he'd drive to where I live IRL (I gave him a city in another state) and meet with my "friend" (see: me) so "he" could check to see if the guy is safe. Upon confirmation, he'd hand my "friend" an envelope with half the money and then "I" would come out to meet him an hour later.

At this point: I started to wonder if this was a good idea and I started to wonder if I was morally ok with it. (I'm a fag, I know). I canceled the deal and said I was sorry but I wasn't comfortable with the plan. That said, it made me realize that people on adult dating sites are stupid, desperate, and have money to throw around on stupid shit. It would be extremely easy to convince some of these idiots to part with large sums of money and probably get away with it. Especially if they send you illegal content that could come back and bite them.

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244a72 No.1913


Replied at the meta thread.


81b80e No.1937

your plan was good, but instead of meeting with him exposing your face just tell him to send you some bitcoins small amount to make the date. A high % of idiots do it

a67caf No.1950


As I said I decided it was too risky and didn't follow through with the plan. However, there are lots of creeps I've found on adult dating sites. I think it would be a matter of A: finding someone who's enough of a scumbag that I won't feel bad about scamming them and B: finding a way to get payment without using my real name.

1bf030 No.1952


>I keep running into the problem of "How do I get the money without revealing my identity?" Patreon is the go-to for things like that, but you need a real identity and payment information. I don't want this kind of shit tied to the real me. Would cryptocurrencies a viable method? I don't know much about them.

They would be. You don't need to give any information in order to start receiving payments with the legitimate ones (there being various scam ones in the mix, and those can typically be pointed out with a source code audit). Your issues would be:

>your clients actually being able to pay you, because cryptocurrencies are not very widely adopted

>being about to cash out to fiat, or applicable use in real life since most exchanges have anti-money laundering laws that demand id verification

>general market volatility

fd596e No.2615


Something that is along what your trying to achieve would be teaching yourself some black hat skills. I can comfortably say that most dating sites have terribly insecure chat rooms that would facilitate some funky blackmailing.

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941315 No.2141[Reply]

>need a place for college

>found a decent room in the same city

>first time signing a renting contract

<months later

>ask the landlord about moving out

>"you cannot unless you find someone as substitute"

>tfw my non (((goy))) genes didnt help to spot this particular in the contract

>tfw didnt realize i wasnt able to freely move out

>tfw no one is seeking for a place in this period

>tfw im running out of money and have to find a job somewhere else

>tfw im supposed to pay rent even though i wont be there

3ebe09 No.2152


Never sign a significant contact like that without taking it to a solicitor first. They'll charge you a few hundred to analyse it but it's better than getting caught.

5b6daa No.2162

Are you from Italy? The clause in the contract looks invalid as fuck to me.

Go on some Italian legal advice forum and see if and how you can rape the landlord.

eecbab No.2198

>a contract prevents you from being able to do something

Just walk out and stop paying dummy, there's no such thing as an unbreakable lease. That's called slavery.

c328e3 No.2599

Easy 20% returns per day, just join the /biz/ pump group:

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So don't miss that info !!!

KuCoin market, so feel free to register there, while registration is still possible :)


Thx :P

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f56198 No.2614

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What are the repercussions for not paying on time? It shuoldn't be more than "get the fuck out if you're not paying". Don't tell me the landlord holds your life hostage prison time or some bullshit. What did you sign OP, a cyrograph?

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5f6006 No.1338[Reply]

Flipping and rentals is the best investment.

Anything dealing with non-physical things are jewish scams that you cannot win.

fb7155 No.2102


Well I mean properties are in limited supply and the human population is only increasing.

You can look at businesses like Mc.Donalds for example which openly seek to gain more property and the food selling is only way to afford it.

This is an 8ch shitter thread anyway.

27ad02 No.2609

Easy 20% returns per day, just join the /biz/ pump group:

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So don't miss that info !!!

KuCoin market, so feel free to register there, while registration is still possible :)

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Thx :):):):)

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d0ae46 No.2114[Reply]

So we got this full fag Dan Gailey and his crew who are trying to launch their own crypto currency. This delusional retard is trying to scam $100 Million.

Must see: https://streamable.com/vae8q

0d468e No.2606

Easy 20% returns per day, just join the /biz/ pump group:

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So don't miss that info !!!

KuCoin market, so feel free to register there, while registration is still possible :)

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8f4475 No.2167[Reply]

A few years ago, I bought a little over 9,500 shares in this company: http://imaging3.com/News/PressReleases

Formerly listed as IMGG, now IGNG.

I didn't buy because I knew what I was doing (clearly I still do not) but because I thought their product was pretty cool and that there could be more than just the medical application for it.

embed related

The stock tanked, got delisted, and I wrote it off as a $1200 loss… until I got an email a week ago asking me to vote to approve:

>a reverse stock split at a ratio of less than 1-8 and not greater than 1-30 with the exact ratio to be established at the discretion of the board of directors

>reincorporation from California to Delaware

The reverse split isn't good, but I already thought I had nothing so I guess it's better than that.

What would you do?

8f4475 No.2168

Also… what should I expect to happen?

684b4a No.2171


It just comes to a split path decision. If you've already written it off, the decline and don't return until you've gained the understanding and knowledge of what you plan to do in the market. But, if you're second guessing your already poor decision, then why not go for it? If you're down that much already, how much worse could it get?

684b4a No.2172


Also plan for a ride. We just hit 23,000

8f4475 No.2173

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I voted to reject the reverse split… because fuck these guys.

They've been nothing but bullshit for years. As in:

>O hai guise, we're sooooo close to FDA approval!

>stock rises

>no approval

>stock drops

>repeat x3

>Chapter 11

From what little I already knew and what new stuff I've been reading, reverse splits seem like just another dubious gimmick to dupe new investors into thinking the company is healthier than it is.

>close Chaper 11

>devise new plan to inflate stock price and attract investors

Nah. Fuck these guys.

Fuck California too though… so I did vote to let them reincorporate in Delaware.

Now I'm just wondering if part of the problem was that a company with only a few million liquid just didn't have enough to buy FDA approval.

That's how it really works, isn't it?

inb4 Priceline

4f8118 No.2597

Easy 20% returns per day, just join the /biz/ pump group:

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So don't miss that info !!!

KuCoin market, so feel free to register there, while registration is still possible :)

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