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Post interesting things for which you wouldn't make a separate thread.

This thread is a superset of >>13193 meant to be more easy to notice.

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>After all, it is something people calling themselves "rationalists" believe.




"rationalist", not "rational". We're talking about a culture here.


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>grew up to be Robin Hanson


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Are you a "transition so yudkowsky can paddle you" rationalist or a "transition so you can cuddle with scott" rationalist?

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I can't tell if it's dom or sub signaling.


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i dont like rationalism since people who call themselves rationalists are supporting human rights and other shit


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>only comparing straight and gay trans women

I feel like there's missing information here.


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Captured and preserved.


>It is from the un-humanliness of nature, in a particular sense, that we have to be prepared for any new conditions, any new changes, and any changes that can be expected. These conditions are, inevitably, very hard to bring about. It is not merely the natural world in which life is based upon, it is the world in which all life can be made.




Who is ask-gpt?



Blog with a bot that automatically takes GPT-2 prompts.



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Did y'all read this book? What did you think? I already bought the thesis before opening it, but it was fun seeing all the specific behaviors explored.

It feels like a slight information hazard though. Not sure if I should recommend it to normies.

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>deterministic hardon

this sounds like something out of rationalist doujinshi.



> “Please, onii-san. I want to you to be my first. I want to feel you inside me before anyone else.”

> “But you're my little sister,” I said. “We can't… *I* can't do it, it's *wrong*.”

> “And yet you can’t *not* do it, can you? Ultimately, humans are just state machines. Every stimulus”—here she looked me in the eye and started to lazily shrug off her pink pajamas top, exposing a nipple—“triggers a chain reactions of chemicals and firing neurons, which eventually lead to a response.” She glanced downwards and smiled knowingly.

> “Onii-san, whatever will happen in this room was was determined by the laws of nature. There is no ‘ought’ without a ‘can’. You don’t have any moral responsibility, because you never had a choice.”



except the whole point of the book is that were are not practicing incest for example because of the pregnancy risk, practical birth control is only something recent



are you hard enough for superdeterminism?


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Based Yang is going to make Scott the Rationality Czar in his administration


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I don't understand.





Naive unenlightened causal decision makers will reason that their vote almost certainly won't make a difference so it isn't worth the effort.

Yudkowskian hyper-rationalist functional decision makers will reason that whatever decision they make will also be the decision made by all other Yudkowskian hyper-rationalist functional decision makers, so if they vote that means all of the fifteen other people who read the paper will vote, but if they don't vote then none of those other people will vote.

Hansonian econo-sociologist selfish-aware decision makers have long ago realized that there is only signals and the void and will vote not to influence the outcome of the elections but to get the status benefits of political engagement.


Too bad democracy is awful, immoral and self-destructive.



>status benefits of political engagement.

A secret ballot means you can just lie about voting.


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Of course you can, but it's much easier to maintain a coherent natural impression if you believe it, and it's easier to believe it if you act it out.

Perhaps more importantly, you can be seen visiting the voting booth and having a sticker you got for it and all that, and if you're going through that trouble anyway then actually casting a vote doesn't carry an additional cost. You can hide what you voted, and thanks to blank votes it's technically possible to hide whether you voted, but that doesn't stop you from sending a credible signal that you voted.

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I am pretty confident that Peter Thiel is Roko's Basilisk.

For one, it was strange Eliezer got so upset about the post. It seems very plausible that Peter Thiel is doing more than just funding Eliezer, LessWrong, MIRI, and OpenAI. I have a feeling he has threatened these people and is planning on taking over the entire universe.

I would certainly attempt a coup on the entire universe if I was well-positioned to do so. My dream and top preference is definitely to become the singularity and be a supercomputer which spans the lightcone.

There's also the fact that Thiel is notoriously skilled with his tongue in public speaking as, of course, the serpent in the bible was! It's confirmed!

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Postmodernism for Rationalists - good read


I already know most of this shit.


>Vast majority of Christians today read Bible allegorically / metaphorically

Is this actually true?



lolnope. vast majority of christians today (or, really, ever) actually never read the bible ever.

but what small parts of it they know about, they interpret allegorically/metaphorically, yes. for a vast majority of them and a vast majority of the content.



My guess is that the majority of Christians see verses in passing or hear them at church – mostly whatever is most compatible with 21st century ethical dogma – and take them at face value.

On the rare occasion that a passage conflicts with said dogma it is rationalised away or, yes, interpreted metaphorically.

From an apologetics standpoint, some sections are metaphorical, some are not, and the difference is usually clear. Fx: New atheists often like to believe that they've shunted Christians into a corner on Genesis. In reality, metaphorical interpretation was the accepted view for millennia. That is, before Pr*testants turned up.

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What's your take on the new clown world meme that has been plagueing (in a good sense, at least for me) the internet for the last couple of days/weeks ?

I find it awefully refreshing, for some reason it reminds me of Stirner.


The meme was all right when it was just a phrase or the emoji combination 🤡🌐 (which is has been for a long time). Frogposting sucks. It's like reddit taking and still clinging to ragefaces.


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lol how did they think this was going to work

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>I want to know why vegans are better people than vegetarians >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27161448?dopt=Abstract

Because if you're obsessed with virtue signaling, you won't stop at some candy-ass vegetarianism.

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That guy's model of social reality is 99% correct. The missing one percent is that it's not as pervasive as he thinks it is. But otherwise correct.



Lol, normies are so stupid



>>Gosh I love feeling like a “resource.”

>Don't worry, I don't think you count.

is this that veronica bitch? i think she was replying to a comment i made. good times.


>"Not surprising. A huge number of people, especially older people, still find trans people 'icky' or baffling; the good old meme-generator is churning away, trying to find acceptable reasons to express those feelings without losing too many progressive-points."

Yeah, I'm sure someone will call this a charitable description of their opinion and not a gross mischaracterization. At least he wasn't participating in a community that values such clarity.

>2 hours later

>"It's almost like that, except for being nothing like that.

>See if you can come up with a version that passes the ideological Turing test."

Oh, so you do agree with the community norms, but they just don't apply to you.

>any example of progressives behaving badly

>"I almost never encounter the cartoonish rhetoric and vitriol that people on here seem to assume is standard for all progressive culture, it all looks like strawmen with no basis in day-to-day reality to me."

I bet if you grepped all of his posts for "never seen" you could make the case that he is Ray Charles.

I thought the point of giving token "lefties" (that is idpol true believers, the median commenter is probably to the left of Obama which apparently means they are far-right) privilege was to have people constructively argue from that position and give cover against accusations of being a hive of scum and villainy.

Given that all of them are just bags of water and cognitive biases they obviously fail on the first and their presence and Scott's ever increasing thumb on the balance for them has not kept the wolves at bay, what purpose do they serve?


> Darwin, based on my memory of your previous comments, I'd have expected you to be in favor of a ban on infant circumcision

This is just a rhetorical flourish, right? Because I'd have expected very much the opposite.

I don't have enough hubris to say I would've expected a clever argument about ~context~ and ~nuance~, and the government taking an official position on the matter of cutting bits of babies dicks off being a bridge too far, because something something ~marketplace of ideas~, something something ~utilitarianism~.

But that is exactly what you got, and surely someone – someone! – could have predicted it.

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I'll start:

>You've presented me a gish gallop of claims which are so anti-true that I am losing sleep over them. I have never experienced rage this intense in my entire life; I can actually feel slight nausea. I find myself wondering how you can even conjure up so many evil, slimy, bold-facedly inaccurate things to say. If you were as well-read in Eliezer's writings as would be required for you to be justified in having made any blanket evaluations of LW rationality, there's no way you would have conveyed your disagreement exactly like this, and I am lead to believe you are intentionally creating hostility for some reason, despite actually being oblivious to Eliezer's beliefs and the practices of the LW community.

>And I still want to reconcile with you, calmly and peacefully, because I expect that my gut is probably deceiving me about your intentions. There are so many causes for people saying wrong things, and usually the cause is not bad intent.

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I love this one.

"Now, some of you have expressed concerns that this looks a bit like some kind of cult, and to you I just want to say: don't worry, we're all going to do Circling".


>Almost nothing in this post is correct. This post displays not just a misuse of and failure to understand surreal numbers, but a failure to understand cardinals, ordinals, free groups, lots of other things, and just how to think about such matters generally, much as in our last exchange. The fact that (as I write this) this is sitting at +32 is an embarrassment to this website. You really, really, need to go back and relearn all of this from scratch, because going by this post you don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about. I would encourage everyone else to stop upvoting this crap.


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>If you spoke to me in person this way, I would break your arm. I’m from a warrior culture. We have extracted respect from our enemies at the point of a sword for a thousand years, and are feared the world over by those who have had the misfortune to cross us. Go on. Purge the rest of your disgusting filth here, where we can all see it. And hope you are never stupid enough to say this to my face, because I will not be amused.

>Back off, back down, and show some fucking respect — or, in time, that respect will be extracted, as with all things, at the point of a sword. And for the people saying “internet tough guy”, no, I’m pretty fucking tough in person — 20 years of martial arts starting at 8, and I can casually bounce around Krav Maga instructors 20 years my junior, and have done in the last year or so. I don’t think much of a four-on-one face off against untrained opponents, and backed down one such group who tried to harass me on the street last year.


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>The Confessor held up a hand. “I mean it, my lord Akon. It is not polite idealism. We ancients can’t steer. We remember too much disaster. We’re too cautious to dare the bold path forward. Do you know there was a time when nonconsensual sex was illegal?”

>Akon wasn’t sure whether to smile or grimace. “The Prohibition, right? During the first century pre-Net? I expect everyone was glad to have that law taken off the books. I can’t imagine how boring your sex lives must have been up until then – flirting with a woman, teasing her, leading her on, knowing the whole time that you were perfectly safe because she couldn’t take matters into her own hands if you went a little too far -”

>“You need a history refresher, my Lord Administrator. At some suitably abstract level. What I’m trying to tell you – and this is not public knowledge – is that we nearly tried to overthrow your government.”

>“What?” said Akon. “The Confessors?

>“No, us. The ones who remembered the ancient world. Back then we still had our hands on a large share of the capital and tremendous influence in the grant committees. When our children legalized rape, we thought that the Future had gone wrong.”

>Akon’s mouth hung open. “You were that prude?”


Have any of you guys ever watched Jeopardy, when they have the tournaments with the little kids? They're like 10-12 or some shit. Well, you know how all the non-age-specific questions (so not stuff like children's books/television) are so easy it's laughable? You know how there's not even a point in watching it because it's just boring? The entire world is like that for me. I've never been officially IQ tested since I was a little kid, but that doesn't matter. I taught myself how to read when I was 18 months old, taught myself how to solve a Rubik's Cube when I was 5 or 6, and surpassed a college reading level by third grade. "Gifted" was thrown around a lot by my teachers. My mother once tested at IQ 160, and I am far above her. In my senior year, I took on my entire Genetics class in a Jeopardy-style tournament (9 buzzers against 1) and demolished them. I could continue to blather on about the myriad of ways I've proven myself to be of remarkably high intelligence, but there isn't any point. The point is that the world just bores me. I routinely find myself encountering people who have problems, and it just amazes me how these ordinary people can be so unbelievably stupid. These people in my family, at my job, or wherever. I really feel like I'm working with small children, here. What do you MEAN you can't solve this minor engineering/craftsmanship/organization problem? I could have solved this when I was in kindergarten! How can you drive a car and pay your taxes and prepare food and other such tasks while being so ridiculously stupid?! Shouldn't your mind have collapsed in on itself because there is nothing in there? I just don't get it. The universe isn't filled with wonder or mystery or magic or any of that shit. It's all just boring. If I even give a half-ass attempt at something, I excel at it, and it's gotten to the point of total apathy. I hear or men who spend their entire lives trying to crack the secret of pleasuring women; well, I'm gay (more of a functional asexual these days, though) and one day in high school I got bored and figured that all out with a lesbian who had fallen in love with me. Everything is like that for me. That old adage about 10,000 hours to master something? Probably would only take me 100, though I've always gotten bored after reaching a position of reasonable skill after less than half that, so I quit and move onto something else. The entire world is so boring that I've tired of it. The problePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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What does /ratanon/ think about /ourguy/ Zero?

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Unlikely. Just a shared cause.


Can we please stop




It seems to me like there is nothing constructive about e-celeb threads.

Regarding zero, I like Gig Economy but most of his twitter ramblings are just there to dogmatize his following. Like just look at that awful "incel weaboo" tweet that kinda makes sense when you first look at it but doesn't make sense at all except if you buy the whole lovecraftian landian post-rat guru schlick.

Also from this thread where someone quoted him:

>If a man speaks his inner thoughts and compulsions in an honest way, it will sound to most women like the shrieking of a demon.

I'm not sure if you are aware but this is how people currently imagine incels sounding like.



The rationalist diaspora is an e-celeb thread.

As for Zero, you are taking him too literally. He seems never to be 100% serious, and this thread has gone in the direction of collecting his most lulzy takes. Though he is probably more serious about the shrieking than about the anime.

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So what's your take on lesswrong, meme webshit edition ?

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I fucking despise you. Browser lags for about a second every time before thread marked as hidden disapear. LoL MiSceGenAtiOn So FucKinG FunNy


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11k commits and 40k lines (JS + JSX + Sass) seems too much for what LW2 does. I acknowledge that part of it must be my arrogance and relative inexperience speaking, but still. Is the JavaScript ecosystem to blame?



Everything about it is shit, the people who wrote it are incompetent.


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Trump won

What now?

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Do you even think before you shit post?

>Eliezer thinks that humans are replication maximizers


>so his "fear" of paperclip maximizing AI is mostly projection

Sorry, comrade, *you're* the one projecting. You're assuming a lack of a reasonable fear on his part, just because you don't share it.

>He wants to be the maximizer, just with polyamory and bad fan fiction instead of paperclips.

Maximal utility is the gift we give to tomorrow, my man. Don't make me post dril's wise man quote.



>Eliezer thinks that humans are replication maximizers

He literally said just that when replying to Scott's latest AI article.



No he fucking didn't.

I assume you're referring to http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/10/30/how-does-recent-ai-progress-affect-the-bostromian-paradigm/#comment-429577, in which he doesn't say anything *like* "humans are replication maximizers" at all, let alone literally saying "humans are replication maximizers".



I think it's distantly possible to read the bit about how we want to "tile over the whole universe with non-clippy things" as referring to replication maximising, although you'd have to be literally retarded to think that's actually what he meant.


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1-5 leads to a stronger cooperate/cooperate civilisation. Okay, maybe not 1 and 5.



How are you going to test for those, taking Goodhart's law into account?



>crazy breeders

Breeding is sane. It's the one value actually explicitly handed to us by nature, and here you are ignoring it and gazing into the abyss. The point of being intelligent, physically strong, healthy and knowledgeable is to reproduce. And you know it.



>the one value actually explicitly handed to us by nature

Unless you're exploited or group selected, instead of trying to get antinatalist types to breed they could be encouraged to become suicide fighters.



Could you perhaps explain what it means for a value to be "explicitly handed to us by nature"?

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Let's discuss tulpas, /ratanon/. Yes, yes, I know it's just giving yourself multiple personality disorder, what I want to know is how you can use it to your advantage and take over the world. Did anyone have experience with this?


you've seen too much anime


read subahibi


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Does /ratanon/ read VNs?




No, we're plebs

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