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0a0751 No.2230[Reply]

h-humour thread?

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45b5cb No.3708

>>2231

I lol'd. Gotta love Schop


101b02 No.3715

>>2230

>>2241

Are we talking about the same Augustine who prayed 'Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet'? It's pretty well known that he had a girlfriend and they had a son together.

>In those years I had a woman. She was not my partner in what is called lawful marriage. I had found her in my state of wandering desire and lack of prudence. Nevertheless, she was the only girl for me, and I was faithful to her.

Confessions 4:2

If you're going to make a joke about Augustine's relationship with women, how about mentioning the fact that his mum made him dump his girlfriend for an arranged marriage with a ten-year-old.


aadfd4 No.3737

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How have there been no stirner memes?


0a0751 No.3738

>>3737

I saturated an entire thread with them:

>>2420

>>2421

>>2422

>>2423

>>2573

>>3100


aadfd4 No.3739

>>3738

Ah, thanks. Love stirner memes obviously. Seems like his ideas create an atmosphere meant for humor aha




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5b98bd No.1011[Reply]

Do we truly have free will or are we just the current manifestations of a deterministic series of events that started with the big bang?
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d157f0 No.2993

>>2944

>you may know it's pointless to punish

If you don't take the the problem seriously, you don't actually know anything about it. Being able to recite sentences does not constitute knowledge, there is a need to understand it, and someone who understands the unreality of morality either ceases to speak of morality outright and withdraw from judgment like a skeptic, or gives up the concept of morality and does as he wills like a cynical hedonist.

Your example has to be one of a cynic hedonist who has given up all pretense of morality and does not bother to think nor act according to such concept. He knows that there is no responsibility, hence that very knowledge he uses as justification for his own unrestrained action, i.e. the knowledge of his own unfreedom he >freely< uses to justify his unrestrained action and nothing else.

>Science supports me. The study of morality shows that it is indeed much more basic than a rational judgement and instead comes from deep seated feelings of disgust.

Except that's not where moral law comes from. Morality is not personal, it's communal. Even when you aren't disgusted you must act according to the moral law of community, and when you >are< disgusted it is also the case that the moral law does not function according to your personal feeling, but communal judgment. Lay off the evo-psych.


d157f0 No.2994

>>2944

>If humans were rational, free will could possibly exist.

There is no such thing as being rational qua logic. To be rational actually means to be >rationalizing<. We seek to give and demand reasons for actions and events, that is the meaning of being rational, and that is exactly what we are. It is once we stop being rational, i.e. admit to having no understanding of why we do things, determinism, that freedom disappears.

Freedom is self-determination according to one's understanding of what determines one and whether one accepts that as one's reason or not.


56e0e6 No.3730

>>1411

compatibilism is the most autistic one

>I have a apple

>but I want a banana

>So i call my apple a banana

^that's pretty much compatibilism


235e52 No.3731

>>2944

>I would argue that humans attribute to morality basic drives and desires

and what would those desires be, the cessation of pain and the pursuit of pleasure?

>Science supports me

wew

>Another thought experiment, how would the world be different if we were rational? If there were free will, human civilization would be rational. Human civilization is not rational, therefore there is no free will.

i dont follow your logic. allow me to expound on this by replacing a few words.

If there were free hamburgers, all of human civilization would have hamburgers. Human civilization does not all have hamburgers, therefore there is no free hamburgers.


dd237f No.3732

>>2944

>science supports me

You're right, but as John Gray would argue in Straw Dogs you shouldn't say such things because science is more often used to the ends of human achievement, and so progresses from useful error. It may discover truth but this is secondary relative to the primary objective. Furthermore liberal humanists often use science of naturalism in a bunch of mental gymnastics to try and justify the idea of progress.




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0e60e0 No.3724[Reply]

>tfw

1ab826 No.3725

Hey Swissanon. Have you destroyed nihilism yet?


0e60e0 No.3729

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323b9e No.2634[Reply]

GAMMON THREAD

Encouraged shitposting

All shitposting is to be done in this thread, where complete nonsense to vague knowledge and ideas can be typed. Shitposting in the larger sense of the word, where philosophical ideas that would be deemed stupid can be shared and built on and directed to the closest philosopher to build off of.

All shit posting comments to other threads should be posted in here also to keep shitposting to a minimum in other threads and leave other threads to stay on topic in a orderly manner.

Share your shitposts in this thread, right now.

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e69208 No.3670

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Rock n roll songs with minimalistic lyrics are deeper than me and they made me think. "How did I get here?"


418c02 No.3671

>>3379

should have posted this to >>>/his/


c4133c No.3680

Niggers

This word is spammed constantly throughout the dark places of the internet. Is the reasoning a cultural backlash of perceived censorship? Or perceived racism? What about this particular word makes it so abhorrent, is it the nig syllable? Or is it the gers syllable? Is the Internet simply racist? Radically acultural? Trans-linguistic socio-economic timespaces defined in hegemonic power realities? Balderdash?

Niggers


38a31e No.3727

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>>3389

This anon is right.

>2016 in the year of our Lord

>Still believing in "global warming"

>Not going against the flaw

>Not inventing your own branch of natural philosophy that goes against observations detailed in thousands of scientific articles published in over a hundred scientific journals

You see, anon, if you go against the flaw then you must be doing something right. I mean, look at Socrates.


38a31e No.3728

>>3727

>Flaw

Oh for god's sake.

I can't believe I made such a simple mistake.




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b7f01c No.3682[Reply]

>He proudly proclaims his irritation with "asking deep questions" that lead to a "pointless delay in your progress" in tackling "this whole big world of unknowns out there." When a scientist encounters someone inclined to think philosophically, his response should be to say, "I'm moving on, I'm leaving you behind, and you can't even cross the street because you're distracted by deep questions you've asked of yourself. I don't have time for that."

>"I don't have time for that."

fucking scientism lel

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27b52f No.3712

>>3700

Milo does actually claim to be a believing catholic. He doesn't talk about christianity itself very much and describes his routine of getting spitroasted by black dudes every weekend without a hint of shame so maybe not apologist.

You see this kind of shit with the alt-right a lot and honestly I think they're just not honest enough to assert that they're culturally christian as a pushback against what they consider degeneracy.


226ffb No.3713

>>3682

Funny, considering the fact that Carl Sagan wrote in the Demon Haunted World that it is inconceivable that scientists are ignorant of Socrates, Plato, Beethoven etc.

(Paraphrased, of course. Because I don't have the book with me)

>>3712

>alt-right

Please explain to me what this is. It's /pol/, right?


27b52f No.3720

>>3713

Basically /pol/. Watch some Gavin McInnes and you'll have a good idea what they're about.


93e6a3 No.3721

>>3713

Pretty much. They want to distance themselves from the status quo "cuckservatives." The alt-right is the more hip option. Can you really blame them?


e35b45 No.3723

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>>3721

I really don't like the imcoherence of militant conservatism which should be called regressivism, but at least I have a name for /pol/ now.




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f3fa0d No.3363[Reply]

Thoughts on Marx?

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2c7b95 No.3704

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263b50 No.3716

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>>3363

I used to be a dedicated Marxist and leftist. Certainly, Marx raised some useful criticisms of capitalism, but he really had very little to say about the alternative. In the same way that Adam Smith supported perfect capitalism, which could only exist in an ideal world, Marx supported an ideal form of communism.


d06662 No.3719

>>3716

What are you now, and what made you change?


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d06662 No.3726

>>3722

I had guessed as much. You were just an edgy gommunist who never actually looked into it and just went with the next intellectual fad.

Once you understand Marx's logic and argument, you can't possibly go back to something as garbage as Mises' shitty theory and worse philosophy.




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7feef3 No.3260[Reply]

Could someone please disprove solipsism?

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89c16b No.3581

>>3429

It's particularly infuriating that the book places such importance in Dostoevsky and Satre


6751df No.3665

>>3528

Is that not a logical impossibility?


22dc5b No.3669

>>3665

Since when did logic place demands on reality? Law of identity isn't a thing in quantum physics for instance.


6751df No.3710

>>3669

Aren't you now suggesting that logic is arbitrary and completely useless?


8894b8 No.3740




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b55061 No.2389[Reply]

Hey /philosophy/. I'm a former fedorafag, who eventually outgrew leftism and being anti-religion. Anyone else here with a similar background? If so, when did you outgrow it?

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a42142 No.3692

>>3691

they put various courses on sale every month, just not this course this month, it seems. they send me a sales catalog, and they have a another sale going on right now so i figured one of those two sales would have covered this course. sadly it didnt but ill keep an eye out and post the relevant priority code if it does go on sale.

i bought the course for 80, which is absolutely cheaper than any of the college classes he listed, and probably wouldnt even cover the coursebook for any of those classes. and in all honesty, i do think this course is worth a little over half of what they are asking for it, as it engendered me with a genuine love an interest for philosophers and philosophies i never would have looked twice at before viewing it, but you might as well wait for a sale since they have shit on sale monthly.

i should also point out that this course is made and lectured by a bona fide philosopher, and not just a head of a philosophy department.

>why pay for this when you can get something that is similar for free

i hear this argument quite frequently in regard to ancient writings, and quite frankly, you get what you pay for. that said, i would be interested in any lectures you know of that are youtube, as i havent found any that piqued my own interest.

i hope you dont take this as me looking down my nose at your for not wanting to spend a large amount of money on educational resources. i am by no means well off, and was only able to buy this thanks to birthday money, but i would like to leave you with a bit of muh boi Marcus Aurelius "From my great-grandfather, not to have frequented public schools, and to have had good teachers at home, and to know that on such things a man should spend liberally. "


00aaae No.3694

>>3692

I guess I'm not crazy about online classes when there are alternatives. Where I live I could go to a community college and take a philosophy course for $200. Being able to interact with the professor, participate, have my work graded and tell my classmates they're idiots is more rewarding. Also, there's a torrent for the 1st edition of this lecture.


dd38c6 No.3695

>>3694

It's a lecture series, not even a class. Also to your point about preferring a classroom, I am the polar opposite; I've always been more of a book-learner, nor all that sociable, and I generally find the classroom experience to be a hindrance more than a help.

As for the torrent, I am unfazed. I don't date of anyone torrents it, because why should I, I just couldn't share it in good conscience because i believe the product is of value.


dd38c6 No.3696

>>3695

*I don't care if anyone torrents it


000000 No.3709

Not really grew or of left since ive almost always been an centreist slightly leaning More on the right, and i have views of turning the dials to make it nicer for people. But With religion, I used to try to point out flaws in ones belief because it was an art of being logically correct, but were all hu man so that means stupidity trumps all and you'll see rage or reinforcing the belief even more as they can't let go. How can you fix this? Don't confront their views and give advice on how to think correctly, but either ask questions that leads in the direction you want, and use the environment to shape their thoughts.




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1c3331 No.3590[Reply]

This thread will be sage-shat and deleted in 3... 2... 1...

4a794d No.3595

Then why post at all?


a41412 No.3598

Empiricism is garbage, only way of finding truth is philosophy


f762a4 No.3599

>>3590

What are you trying to imply here OP? This just seems like low effort bait.


843d6e No.3674

>>3598

Empiricism gets results... And the two are not mutually exclusive.


957b33 No.3678

>>3674

>gets results

So does Astrology




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da3806 No.3398[Reply]

To be, or not to be?

Heads, or tails?

The Universe is my will.

Enjoy your trip

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b06382 No.3407

>>3405

The uncaused cause of misery.


943fe2 No.3415

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>>3407

I do plan on redeeming myself.

Can you guess what I'm going to do?

I live in Switzerland.

Do you really think I'm going to fill the blank while I'm alive and well?

I'm going to destroy Nihilism once and for all.


cd4613 No.3424

>>3415

What relevance does your country have?

How do you intend to destroy nihilism? And why?


b06382 No.3569

I flipped a coin 400 times in a row and it was still heads. The probability of that happening is absurd, and clearly the universe has been manipulated. We must be guided by unknown forces. We should just subscribe to absurdism until the day when the show ends.


14b8a5 No.3675

>>3569

wow congratulations you got results that had a 1/2^400th chance. This can definitely be used to justify an obtuse view of the structure of the universe, and definitely isn't just proof that humans tend to notice the out of place events, and not the other billions of events transpiring every second around us.




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10a68b No.1587[Reply]

Not one old philosopher is on record condemning slavery, until the modern age, when anti-slavery sentiment became popular. What does that say about philosophy?

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cf0a04 No.3654

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People are more enslaved today than they ever have. Slavery is a politically charged word because it makes the person who has any association with the word seem inferior.

"The strong do what they have the power to do. The weak accept what they have to accept."

Slavery is natural because everything that has ever participated in nature is natural. Slavery didn't just happen once, it's happening right now all over the world. Multiculturalists use it to shame western culture but nevertheless you don't seem them going to West Africa to go end it. Lincoln used slavery to justify forcing the union back into place. Brazil and Cuba waited some 20 years later without a war. Why should philosophers ever condemn slavery? It is apart of our nature to enslave the weak. The key is not to overwork them, but still to bring out the excellence in them because they are incapable of doing it without you.


a3933d No.3655

>>3654

how many horses have you seen enslaved by another horse?


d93d8b No.3657

>>3654

>why shouldn't we do things if we do them

Why are stormfags always so nigger-tier in their philosophical comprehension?


e46291 No.3658

>>3657

i am reminded of sherlock holmes

>It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts


a5b6ae No.3667

>>3657

>/leftypol/ bait

no




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1e3ebe No.3633[Reply]

Was Freud wrong?

027980 No.3635

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Why don't you look at the metric used for psychology? Video very related.


e091bb No.3637

His conception of the unconsious and the trinity of id, ego and superego were a decent rough sketch, the conclusions he draw from it were his own fantasies.


b63f6a No.3645

Freud, like Plato, was objectively right about everything.


1d1360 No.3647

MILFs are god-tier, so i guess... yeah?


dd4642 No.3666

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>>3647

Freud was wrong. I never wanted to fuck my mom when I could fuck my younger sister.




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e32c1d No.3639[Reply]

As a person who has not yet read any philosophy, I was wondering. should I start with Plato, if so what book and if not what Should I read before. both Philosopher and what book.

802129 No.3640

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Start with the Greeks


e32c1d No.3641

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Thank you, my Anonymous friend. I will start there


daffd2 No.3642

>>3640

See now why is that not in the sticky?


802129 No.3644

>>3642

better?


daffd2 No.3646

>>3644

Yes. Thank you. You will hopefully not be bothered by us again.




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cb3b96 No.2178[Reply]

Pepper your angus, there shalt be no odes to this Grecian urn!

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32f062 No.3579

>>3578

thanks for necrobumping, id been looking for that plato image.


33562d No.3580

>>3579

I remember seeing your post some time ago, but I forgot to reply to you T_T.


6e15b7 No.3629

Everything Plato said is objectively correct.


6e8935 No.3631

>>2178

nigga do I have to call my platonic scholars to fuck your shit? give me a second.


6e8935 No.3632

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>>2178

called my nigga meno we gonna not only discover what is truly virtue through a Socratic dialogue only to come to my interpretation of said conclusions that man cannot achieve virtue because it can't be taught and get some little nigga to recollect knowledge HE ALREADY FUCKEN KNEW




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000000 No.3600[Reply]

ok guys i want to know about what differant beliefs/philosophies/religions think about the spiritual consequences of suicide are and what actually happens on the otherside for people who have commited suicide

all opinions welcome from all faiths and walks of life

>pic unrelated

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c62222 No.3606

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When you die you cease to exist. Even if Christians were right you would have changed so much you would be an utterly different thing and not still be you.


3ebd67 No.3607

>>3600

what is it with suicide fags and philosophy boards?

anyway, heres a personal favorite on the subject.

"When thou hast assumed these names, good, modest, true, rational, a man of equanimity, and magnanimous, take care that thou dost not change these names; and if thou shouldst lose them, quickly return to them. And remember that the term Rational was intended to signify a discriminating attention to every several thing and freedom from negligence; and that Equanimity is the voluntary acceptance of the things which are assigned to thee by the common nature; and that Magnanimity is the elevation of the intelligent part above the pleasurable or painful sensations of the flesh, and above that poor thing called fame, and death, and all such things. If, then, thou maintainest thyself in the possession of these names, without desiring to be called by these names by others, thou wilt be another person and wilt enter on another life. For to continue to be such as thou hast hitherto been, and to be tom in pieces and defiled in such a life, is the character of a very stupid man and one overfond of his life, and like those half-devoured fighters with wild beasts, who though covered with wounds and gore, still intreat to be kept to the following day, though they will be exposed in the same state to the same claws and bites. Therefore fix thyself in the possession of these few names: and if thou art able to abide in them, abide as if thou wast removed to certain islands of the Happy. But if thou shalt perceive that thou fallest out of them and dost not maintain thy hold, go courageously into some nook where thou shalt maintain them, or even depart at once from life, not in passion, but with simplicity and freedom and modesty, after doing this one laudable thing at least in thy life, to have gone out of it thus. In order, however, to the remembrance of these names, it will greatly help thee, if thou rememberest the gods, and that they wish not to be flattered, but wish all reasonable beings to be made like themselves; and if thou rememberest that what does the work of a fig-tree is a fig-tree, and that what does the work of a dog is a dog, and that what does the work of a bee is a bee, and that what does the work of a man is a man.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


c62222 No.3610

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And anime usually thinks it's heroic. It's almost always done through the lens of self-sacrifice. I'm betting this season's best anime will end in suicide.


1d7d1e No.3615

>>3610

>Anime thinks it's heroic

No Japan thinks it's heroic. Largely due to their honor societyand the practice of Seppukku, making it heroic in their media also conveniently covers for the massive suicide rate they do have(for less noble reasons) and stops people calling for reform over it.

>>3600

Usually "consequences of suicide" for the individual spring from the belief in a rigid or knowable system as an afterlife. Generally in early views of (Western) philosophy ,such as Greek or Roman philosophers, we tend to see sympathy a lot more as although we tend to teach the pantheons of those eras as fairly rigid it's more true that they were a loose set of beliefs we've since placed into a hierarchy. Prior to the arrival of Christianity most Roman worship was performed at a household level and the rituals and names of the gods worshiped varied significantly. Later philosophy naturally becomes more and more harsh on suicide as Christianity became the dominant religion before relaxing again in the modern era as concepts such as atheism, nihilism and existentialism were increasingly talked about.

In organized religion(especially that which considers acts in life important) there's a tendency to have to clarify things into good and bad acts which become adopted as a moral code by the believers. Generally things we find upsetting, scary or squicky(theft, murder, incest) become the bad things and as suicide tends to fall into the category of "upsets people" it is lumped into the bad acts category of most religions.


7512d3 No.3627

>>3606

>When you die you cease to exist.

That would be a violation of the first law of thermodynamics.




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