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File: 1462739442146.png (291.84 KB, 450x399, 150:133, RMS.png)

 No.589254[Reply]

Welcome to /tech/ - ∞chan's technology board.

Please check the rules before you post:

https://www.8ch.net/metatech/rules.html

Looking for hardware or software recommendations? Check out the InstallGentoo Wiki:

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/

/tech/ is for the discussion of technology and related topics.

/tech/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site. We have stickies for that. Keep those kinds of posts in there.

For tech support, software recommendations, and other questions that don't warrant their own thread, please use the '/tech/ Questions and Support' sticky.

For consumer advice, please use the consumer advice sticky located below.

For meta discussion, please go to >>>/metatech/.

For desktop threads, homescreen threads and ricing, please go to >>>/rice/.

For tech support/issues with computers:

https://startpage.com/ or https://ixquick.com (i.e., fucking Google it)

https://stackexchange.com/

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

If you can't find what you're looking for and still need help, post in the tech questions sticky.

Looking to switch over to GNU/Linux? Don't know where to start?

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.589255

>>>/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

>>>/biz/ - Business and Finance (and cryptocurrencies)

>>>/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>>/emacs/ - GNU Emacs

>>>/sci/ - Science and Mathematics

>>>/electronics/ - Electronics Engineering

>>>/laboratory/ - STEM Discussion and STEM Shitposting

>>>/hamradio/ - Amateur Radio

>>>/lv/ - Libre Video Games

>>>/make/ - Make stuff

>>>/netplus/ - Networks and Plus

>>>/prog/ - Programming

>>>/rice/ - Desktop and Phone Ricing

>>>/t/ - Torrents & Trackers

>>>/templeos/ - The 64-Bit Temple Operating System

>>>/vape/ - Vaporizers

>>>/vir/ - Virtual Reality

>>>/wg/ - Wallpapers General

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File: 53eac902e05dd53⋯.png (2.82 KB, 200x200, 1:1, questionmark.png)

 No.733048[Reply]

Bring all your hardware, software and other troubles here.

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 No.873060

>>872988

Compiles fine on my machine.

>ld returned 1 exit status

This is suggesting that the linker isn't able to find libc. Is your toolchain installed correctly?

>>873038

Wrong. While inferior style wise, you are allowed to put parenthesis around what you are returning.

>>873044

For machine learning, it's more important what you have hardware wise (such as specialized hardware for machine learning) than what operating system you are running.




File: 9cd31551fedf586⋯.png (4.65 KB, 200x200, 1:1, dollarsign.png)

 No.733050[Reply]

Looking to buy something but aren't sure what to get? Ask here.

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 No.872602

>>872570

>just so I don't have to get up to switch an episode or a movie?

You can use KDE Connect instead




File: 5e09744789521fd⋯.jpg (15.84 KB, 800x600, 4:3, bash.jpg)

 No.870218[Reply]

Why do we still put up with the absolute fucking garbage that it UNIX 1.0. It's time for UNIX 2.0. Let me explain: Processes on linux take as input env variables and an array of c strings, print text (the "universal interchange format") to stdout and stderr then they return a single byte.

Processes are the fundamental building blocks of our operating system. All the build systems, init scripts and package managers we have are made out of this. So it's important for it to be solid i.e. it should be done with well typed structured data - not piles of spagetti strings. There's heen so many problems because of it like invocations failing when inputs start with '-' becaues it get misinterpreted as a flag or programs breaking when the file path contains a space.

We should revise the concept of a process to declaratively explain its input in a well typed form, make a new kind of "terminal" to invoke them that isn't based on simulating a 1970s teletype machine (so shit like resizing and scrolling will actually work), have a scripting language that doesn't misintepret fucking everything you write and work entirely based on pasting strings together and then implement a new set of coreutils where things "ls" simply produce a *list* (an actual data type) of files in the directory instead of just some text that it's recommended you shouldn't ever parse.

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 No.872947

>>872898

z/OS is PURE CANCER

JCL GAVE ME AIDS


 No.872953

File: 23599ef4d005bb2⋯.jpg (26.27 KB, 512x288, 16:9, unix_features.jpg)

>>872928

lol you missed the .filename file. It's such a powerful bug that if you type ls -a in your home dir you'll see dozens of homosexual retarded devs have taken advantage of it. But you're a hardcore man you can handle all the unconstrained files up in your folders right. You don't need no protection.

>>872941


 No.872956

>>872393

>double quotes

Those are a shell feature. They don't make any difference whatsoever here.


 No.873001

>>872947

its called a MAINFRAME you NIGGER

its an ENTERPRISE


 No.873061

>>872928

AT&T shills managed to convince you that UNIX bugs are actually the user's fault. There should be no problem with any bytes in any character set being a valid filename. The shell and "group of uncooperative tools" are broken. The whole way they expand filenames and parse arguments is broken.

    This poor user tried to use Unix's poor excuse for
DEFSYSTEM. He is immediately sucked into the Unix "group of
uncooperative tools" philosophy, with a dash of the usual
unix braindead mailer lossage for old times' sake.

Of course, used to the usual unix weenie response of
"no, the tool's not broken, it was user error" the poor user
sadly (and incorrectly) concluded that it was human error,
not unix braindamage, which led to his travails.

       What do you suppose "csh# rm -rf /tmp/.*" does?

If you said "Csh expands that on the command line
and tries to recursively remove the directory above
/tmp (root)", you were right.

Too bad the shithead who wrote rm couldn't be
BOTHERED to special case obviously bogus commands
like "Recursively remove the directory above me,
please". Undoubtedly, though, the Unix weenies will
maintain that this is the right thing.

Very nice. Particularly in view of the manual page for rm
which states:

WARNING
It is forbidden to remove the file `..' to avoid
the antisocial consequences of inadvertently doing
something like `rm -r .*'.

There is no indication that anything overrides this. What
useful protection! How nice to have a system which knows
better than I what I really meant to do.

Incidentally, I tried this out for myself just to see if it
worked the same way on my system. This is Unix, and
consistency is not guaranteed. It did the same thing, but
with one other delightful addition:

lancet% mkdir foo
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File: 560516ec424e802⋯.png (1.25 MB, 1185x1183, 1185:1183, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.851214[Reply]

Have you forgot of Ross?

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 No.872999

>>872971

I think it's cuz he posted on reddit


 No.873004

>>851214

>His smile and optimism: Gone

Damn, there's no spakle in his eyes.


 No.873008

>>872958

Even if that's true they'd need something to go off of in order to even suspect him and start spying on him. He got caught because he had shit opsec and reused usernames. He got fucked because he didn't encrypt the laptop he used to run the site.


 No.873019

>>872999

No no, I remembered right, he did dumb moves on Stackoverflow.

His account and the couple thread he made are still up, here's an article about it:

>http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/10/02/silk_road_s_dread_pirate_ross_ulbricht_asked_stack_overflow_question_under.html>https://archive.fo/vZOi2


 No.873058

>>873008

>He got fucked because he didn't encrypt the laptop he used to run the site.

I'm not sure that's correct, but the Feds suspected that he would be using full disk encryption and made a point of nabbing him when he was using the laptop, so it would have been unlocked and had the encryption key in memory anyway.




File: a64339038568be3⋯.png (230.82 KB, 642x793, 642:793, 1455267256679.png)

 No.793044[Reply]

I am fatally retarded.

Can someone here give me the straight dope on bitrot, and non-traumatic data loss in general?

I have over 2 TBs of Chinese cartoons, transferred onto a brand-spankin' new drive. After some research, it was the most stable I could find

All of the data is just sitting there. I don't plan to move or rewrite it until the drive begins to fail. There are some currently airing shows and ongoing manga that I follow, so new data is intermittently written to the disk.

But what about loss? Brace yourselves for my retarded questions:

- Does any data loss whatsoever occur when simply copying files from one drive to another?

- Is bitrot a real problem? Does it occur significantly within the span of an average human lifetime? If so, what can I do to avoid it happening with a veritable mountain of data on a single drive?

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 No.870846

>>870842

>same file from dozens of people and see exactly how it fucks your archival shit up.

>same file

>not same movie different file

nice reading comprehension


 No.872980

What is the best thing to do with data which you probably won't use in a long time (or maybe never) but still kinda don't want to outright delete? Put everything on one HDD then disconnect it and store it away? Is going through the ordeal of archiving stuff to DVDs still any kind of viable option given that HDD storage is basically as cheap (or even cheaper given the time you would need to spend burning an disk's worth of data to DVDs)?

>inb4 tape drive

Yea no, the initial investment is rather high, would make much more sense to spend that kind of money on HDDs instead (maybe tape would be worth it to archive important shit rather than shit that is just barely worth keeping).


 No.873016

>>872980

M disc


 No.873022

>>873016

M disc is pretty cool. I have never used one. Very expensive per gigabyte though.


 No.873057

>>873016

>>873022

>using expensive m-disc to archive nonessential shit you barely care about rather than just put in on a hdd and tuck away




File: 374b1f502483c51⋯.png (4.13 KB, 230x48, 115:24, DA4651F5-DDB5-4DF0-AE23-20….png)

 No.872814[Reply]

https://devuan.org

Looks like they dropped on Valentine’s Day. I’ve been running ascii for a while now but I upgraded from Jessie using apt.

If you like the Debian way of doing things but hate Poettering, this is a great distro.

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 No.873014

>>873012

devuan with jack or whatever instead of pulse?


 No.873024

>>872906

i said systemd was problematic because the distro uses sysv, dumbass


 No.873032

>>872818

They are the choice if you *don't* want to run systemd. That's the point of talking about freedom; there is now a choice.

Jesus, you systemd supporters are fucking retards.


 No.873035

>>873032

He's not a systemd supporter you redditposting retard he's a shitposter, and you fell for his bait.


 No.873056

Why some popular DEs don't support non-systemd inits? All of the available choices outside of the scope of systemd is dogshit, at least in my opinion.




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 No.871416[Reply]

Welp it turns out that faggot Tim Cook presided over yet another debacle.

https://bombich.com/blog/2018/02/15/macos-may-lose-data-on-apfs-formatted-disk-images

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 No.872847

>>872842

also, same question about backups to a different FS without these IDs.

or if you need to merge 2 directories from 2 computers which ID sets may not be disjoint. (shall all files get new IDs? then you'll need to search for all places where they were linked and replace them too?)


 No.872894

>>872811

>If you want to pick out one individual file for some reason, use its UID.

So instead of display /home/faggot/maymays/brainlet729.png you'd type display 67152357524138482456358654852499855440002348?

That seems convenient...


 No.872979

>>872842

>>872847

>what will happen when your repository is cloned on other system where all files get different IDs?

if you need to merge 2 directories from 2 computers which ID sets may not be disjoint. (shall all files get new IDs? then you'll need to search for all places where they were linked and replace them too?)

Yes, references to UIDs in or to other files would abstracted from their targets' UIDs in the FS, so that links couldn't be broken during direct copies.

>are these IDs portable?

Not directly, hashes can serve that purpose when necessary.

>also, same question about backups to a different FS without these IDs.

The same way legacy systems are always handled (longnames, character sets, forks, etc.). Hopefully something fully reversible like archives, or extra files containing supplemental data. But in many instances people would probably due nonreversible stuff like affixed/prefixed escape sequences.

>how would you refer to other files in things like CMakeLists.txt, etc?

Using UIDs

>>872811

>you'd type

You wouldn't type anything. Any decent environment would abstract UIDs so that humans would practically never have to type nor read them, much as addressing individual blocks and cylinders has vanished from relevance.


 No.872990

>>871416

OP was paid to post sensationalist bullshit on /tech/. The 4chan infection is spreading.

The bug affects only image files.

I don't use nor like Apple products.


 No.873055

>>871416

meanwhile,

Botnet browser running in BotnetOS prevents making screenshots of videos watched on Botnet: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/316096/how-to-screenshot-netflix




File: 8e8e3cc058580f1⋯.jpg (1.02 MB, 1417x920, 1417:920, DeleteNOW.jpg)

 No.872765[Reply]

What would a perfect, non-fucked technology world look like to you and how would it operate? Of course all software would be open source and well documented, but how would everything be from the ground to the upper echelons of society? Without """The Cloud (tm)(r)""" or bullshit ISP restrictions how would you operate on the move? How would money work? How would we communicate with loved ones? How different would things really be?

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 No.873007

The world withoout electricity.


 No.873010

>>872985

You can't even make a child so why should you be of any help?


 No.873036

>>872786

I would agree with you if it didn't sound like you were planning a military operation.

>>872934

>There would also be mandated warning signs on proprietary software like they put on cigarettes

I like this.


 No.873042

An omnipotent AI would rule the humanity, equipped with moral standards and a value of life, it would ensure and maintain the ultimate justice within the society.

We would we able to browse the network of information withing the borders of augmented reality. We could extract any information out of our brain and share it with the world or visa versa.

Internet would be just computers connected with quantum entanglement. This would not only allow immediate access to all information humanity ever produced, it would also push the society towards the direction of singularity.

Money wouldn't exist because all goods would be produced by previously mentioned AI. People would neither need to starve on the streets, nor spend their youth studying just to get some nickels.


 No.873054




File: c19b5eb577553e2⋯.jpg (71.59 KB, 960x720, 4:3, mpv-shot0001.jpg)

 No.869465[Reply]

https://fossbytes.com/ubuntu-data-collection/

>In an announcement made on Ubuntu mailing list, Will Cooke, on behalf of the Ubuntu Desktop team, announced Canonical’s plans to collect some data related to the users’ system configuration and the packages installed on their machines

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-February/040139.html

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 No.872982

>>872975

Staying hopeful then.


 No.873015

>>872973

Check out devuan


 No.873046

>>872973

What's she from?


 No.873052

>>873046

You must be over 18 to post on this site


 No.873053

>>870067

This is great meme you're posting.

Keep it up, maybe people will actually install gentoo now.




 No.873000[Reply]

https://errors.ubuntu.com

>gnome

>gnome

>gnome

>gnome

>unity

>gnome

>chromium

>gnome

 No.873030

>most bug reports are for the user-facing components in the default installation

woah


 No.873051

While I'm not in defense of the faggotry of GNOME devs, at least in my experience, GNOME is the most stable and usable GNU/Linux DE in existence. XFECES couldn't be more 90s, KDE couldn't stop raping my RAM and leak memory like a crack whore and other DEs couldn't be less irrelevant.

It just werks.




File: 83a11c0a4ab7afe⋯.jpg (44.54 KB, 590x407, 590:407, snowden1.JPG)

 No.862162[Reply]

What is /tech/'s opinion on based reddit man?

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 No.862223

>>862175

>Snowden is either a complete and utter moron

I actually don't think this is the case. After this, I'm rolling with the Controlled Op narrative.


 No.862235

>>862165

>le snowden's revelations are nothing imporrtant goy!

Gonna have to try harder faggot


 No.872731

bump


 No.873040

>>862162

What do you guys think of the Introspection Engine he developed with Bunnie Huang?


 No.873048

>snowden is a fag implant and his revelations doesn't mean anything, just look away!

I wonder (((who))) could be behind these posts.




File: e9552bd5b733988⋯.png (287.71 KB, 1350x694, 675:347, 1503859282283.png)

 No.865567[Reply]

Is clover OS any good?

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 No.872464

File: 2e6743a0bc80fe8⋯.png (2.57 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 2018-02-20-135538_1920x108….png)

wbar auto-configure

emerge imagemagick && mkdir ~/.wbaricons/

grep -hE '^Name=|^Icon=|^Exec=' $(grep -rl "^Icon=" --exclude={compton,brasero,steam,gcr-viewer}.desktop /usr/share/applications/) | sed 's/Name=/t: /; s/Exec=/c: /; s/Icon=/i: /; s#\(i: \)\(.*\)#i: .wbaricons/\2.xpm#; 0~3 a\\' >> .wbar && ls -v1 /usr/share/pixmaps/*.{png,ico} /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps/*.* /usr/share/pixmaps/*.{xpm,svg} | sed -r 's#(.*/)(.*)(\..*)#convert \1\2\3 ~/.wbaricons/\2.xpm#' | xargs -I{} sh -c {}


 No.872712

>>865567

Install Debian instead or CrunchBang++ if your favorite WM is Openbox (like me)


 No.872992

>>872712

cloveros is basically a better crunchbang and it has an option for openbox


 No.873026

>>872992

jesus fucking christ you're retarded

>gentoo is like debian

no, both of them are as different as trueOS is to netBSD except debian is much better


 No.873037

>>873026

He said CloverOS is like Crunchbang. CloverOS is to Crunchbang as Gentoo is to Debian.

Now, think, what is the difference between Gentoo and Debian? That's right, they're both GNU\Linux distros, but they're two separate projects. Now that we've established that, what's the difference between Crunchbang and Debian? That's right, Crunchbang and Debian are both Debian distros, but the aim of Crunchbang is to be lightweight and preconfigured.

From that established knowledge, we can infer that >>872992 was trying to convey that CloverOS is a project that contrasts Gentoo in that it's trying to be lightweight and preconfigured.

Excellent job, class! You used simple logic to comprehend what the other poster was saying rather than intentionally misconstruing what they had to say for the sake of being argumentative. Now it's time for snacks!




File: 2d9860c20c9d4c0⋯.png (291.95 KB, 796x463, 796:463, Screen-Shot-2018-02-19-at-….png)

 No.871957[Reply]

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/flight-sim-devs-say-hidden-password-dump-tool-was-used-to-fight-pirates

https://archive.is/2018.02.19-181553/https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/flight-sim-devs-say-hidden-password-dump-tool-was-used-to-fight-pirates/

Why is it commonly accepted that software installers have root access to the system?

Legitimate software authors ain't gonna abuse it, right?

For bonus points, it seems the passwords were sent over plain HTTP (so a lot of 3rd parties automatically got a copy as well), and it could be possible that in fact they snatched passwords from all users, to err on the side of caution.

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 No.872255

For some reason I find this incredibly hilarious. Also, unfortunately, it seem like this could have been used to try to penetrate the computers of Lockheed Martin employees, some of whom might use or test mods to their software.

>Companies with highly confidential / Top Secret information are developing this shit for and on Windows

Anybody else feel like we've been through this before?


 No.872313

File: 28468a8046d5778⋯.jpg (48.07 KB, 600x450, 4:3, 284.jpg)

>saving passwords in your browser


 No.872332

>>872013

Libre programs means that users will always have the permission to study and modify the software at any time. When the time happens such that there is proof that a program is misbehaving, then users are always free to improve it. This is not true for proprietary software. For proprietary software, users are completely forbidden to study or modify the software.


 No.873031

>>871957

Containers and VMs would be nice. A decent permissions system would be great. A good OS that has both is what we actually need.


 No.873034

>>873031

Android?




File: b16d888c4a80138⋯.png (1.83 MB, 2135x1200, 427:240, 472389423432.png)

 No.869328[Reply]

If you've used both (desktop or server), what's your opinion on them? Do you have a clear favourite for desktop use?

If possible, tell a bit about noteworthy experiences on these:

>initial installation/setup and upgrades

>filesystems

>filesystem layout, ease of configuration

>package manager, ports, updates

>availability and third party packages and their state

>missing features

>supported hardware

What features do you miss from FreeBSD when using OpenBSD and vice versa? If you like ZFS, is there a way to archieve similiar functionalty within Open with the tools that are there - will there be a HAMMER port? Does anything in administration or usage slow you down in the things that you actually want to do?

Please do not discuss the recent CoC nonsense, as there is a separate shitposting thread for this.

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 No.872615

>>872583

I just looked it up and I think the default changed in 5.6 or 5.7. I run current on my laptop since 5.9 so that was the last time I installed and it was default. If you are using intel or ati you can use the normal accelerated driver with this option. I have no idea about jewvidya though.


 No.872944

File: 24d01bd6e58a7a9⋯.jpg (38.42 KB, 500x391, 500:391, 1449726856021.jpg)

>>872472

>machdep.allowaperture=0

What is a layman explanation for what this does? It restricts memory access of applications that interface with X?


 No.872983

>>869328

Always wondered what this is from. Just some random anime succubus or is it from something?


 No.873017

File: 18ac19d29bff59c⋯.jpeg (45.38 KB, 474x355, 474:355, 34534534.jpeg)

File: 44d0cdfd121b4bd⋯.jpg (45.7 KB, 300x415, 60:83, excel_saga_2206.jpg)

>>872983

She looks a lot like Excel from Excel Saga - not too sure though.


 No.873023

>>873017

She does kind of, but I don't think Excel had the demon wings.




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