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File: dcdb4c3d0e332e5⋯.png (111.83 KB, 500x500, 1:1, political_compass_liberty.png)

 No.67719[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.71900[Reply]

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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 No.92219

>>92218

>children are property that ought to be owned by their parents and under their complete control and transferrable to others

>no libertarian believes this

all right, looks like it's time for me to defend my opinion! my first point: the above is the exact outcome that will naturally occurr the instant the government is removed from the situation. right now, children are owned by the government; like land, they are regulated by the state and can and will be confiscated if you refuse to follow the state's arbitrary rules regarding them. children are created by their parents alone and nothing else, and for property purposes clearly belong to the mother in all cases that she did not rape the father or otherwise steal his gametes.

now I'd love to hear why your solution to whether the NAP applies to children is somehow perfectly consistent and still doesn't involve government intervention at all.


 No.92220

File: 4c1058453ed06d1⋯.png (66.73 KB, 752x1668, 188:417, left libertarianism doesn'….png)

>>92216

>left-wing libertarianism is not libertarian anymore

Threadly reminder that it never was.

>Rothbards views on adoption and on abortion have been dumped by many of us.

That depends on what exactly you mean. Most of us reject the idea that children are owned by the parents, but I'm of the opinion that the contract/obligation to be a guardian to a child may be bought and sold.


 No.92222

>>92219

You're throwing shit at the wrong person. I called him a faggot and caught him on the lie(anyone who's been on the board linger than 10 minutes will notice the position that parents have no obligations before children) exactly for the reason this moralfaggot thinks only his morals apply and can be enforced in ancap and everyone who disagrees with cannot be ancap or libertarian just because. He cannot be that new so he's just a moralfag jumping on lolbert train of logical consistency and indifference to feelz while trying to keep his treasured morals to enforce, more likely through monopoly of sorts but he can because its "libertarian™".


 No.92311

File: d8f016082ea4220⋯.png (609.21 KB, 599x1145, 599:1145, who invited.png)

File: 907e02bbce2db19⋯.jpg (189.43 KB, 1500x988, 375:247, i fucking wish.jpg)

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 No.92312

File: a566ddf3728c00a⋯.gif (93.77 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 1521232866386.gif)

>>92210

>doesn't want kikes enslaving his people

>wants to be the one to enslave his own people instead

Nigger.




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 No.92294[Reply]

What are ways to become trained in combat without joining the military?

 No.92295

HEMA or other martial arts classes


 No.92296

File: 3bb4283a34c10ee⋯.png (1.75 MB, 1169x815, 1169:815, kekeorde.png)

KKK>>92294


 No.92297

>>92294

You can still pay for training and not join the military.


 No.92310

File: def5b3cd89f8ffe⋯.png (560.12 KB, 900x1200, 3:4, d941ee691ab647e70058b9a600….png)

>>92294

Watch anime.




File: 50bb811593d8b01⋯.jpg (85.64 KB, 960x601, 960:601, let there be roads.jpg)

 No.92085[Reply]

>sitting in adv. macro class

>Prof: the US enjoys much stronger fiscal policy than other countries because we have a lot more empty space to build more roads

Please stop the meme ride, I want to get off. We've gone too far.

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 No.92241

File: b6c6655cf8afde0⋯.png (116.27 KB, 959x973, 137:139, States_Vs_countries_2014.png)

>>92234

If you look strictly at purchasing power parity per capita, only three European nations make it into the top 10 and America is above the rest except by CIA estimates (in which there are four European countries with a higher PPP per capita).

If you look at GDP per capita or PPP per capita and compare European Countries to US states, with the exceptions of Switzerland, Norway, Ireland, and a couple microstates that are used as tax havens which is why they have massive GDP per capita, most of the "rich" European countries don't even make it into the top 25, and the majority wouldn't even make it into the top 50. Actually if you remove the socialist hellholes (including the ones that make a lot of money) from the USA, the remaining states outrank basically everything in Europe outside your tax haven countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_sovereign_states_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita


 No.92244

>>92223

>europoor

>zero problems

You can only pick one of those my friend.

>>92240

I don't suppose you have the relevant screencaps saved?


 No.92249

File: 7ed1226d57638dc⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 824.92 KB, 1913x4041, 1913:4041, 7ed1226d57638dcc6f9b5aae21….png)

>>92244

I don't, unfortunately. Have Ghost Puncher as recompense.


 No.92266

>>92158

Why don't they just break all the windows?


 No.92309

File: 24f2d2f1dc4ac68⋯.jpg (35.34 KB, 552x355, 552:355, 1482708119109.jpg)

>>92266

Fuck breaking windows, why don't they just nuke everything? Why do they think Japan is such a comfy place after getting nuked twice + experiencing Fukushima?




File: d82a296f061d344⋯.png (3.92 MB, 3384x3992, 423:499, liberty reading guide impr….png)

 No.92213[Reply]

I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.

So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).

Hope this is of help for someone!

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 No.92284

File: c77487573dcb578⋯.jpg (62.1 KB, 644x800, 161:200, c77.jpg)

>>92224

>i cant even…


 No.92301

>>92279

To add to this, How an Economy Works and Why it Doesn't and End the Fed are both easy reads, particularly the former since it's in comic form anyway.


 No.92302

>believing in God


 No.92303

>>92259

>attempting to justify State anything


 No.92308

File: af1de2afbdc1a92⋯.png (303.12 KB, 500x285, 100:57, HoppeMeme27.png)

>>92301

>>92279

Thanks a lot, they're both interested in libertarianism, but I didn't want to turn them off with really complicated stuff.




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 No.91911[Reply]

Freedom is the ability to do what one wills; one cannot do what one wills without power; the idea of freedom is inseparable from that of power. Freedom can only arise from the slavery of others.

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 No.92252

>>91911

>Freedom is the ability to do what one wills

Wrong. That is the definition of it that came up after the concept of freedom became eroded. I believe it was Voltaire who did so. Before him, it was regarded as obvious that freedom is the ability to do what you want with what is rightfully yours. So to steal was not seen as an expression of freedom to begin with, as the object of your theft was never yours to begin with. Likewise, flying to the moon by flapping your arms was not seen as an exercise of your freedom, as your arms did not confer the ability of flight to you. The historical conception of freedom, then, was far closer to the idea of negative freedom that most libertarians run with, whereas positive freedom is something entirely different, namely power.


 No.92253

File: 8af365bed36a1e7⋯.png (55.82 KB, 180x220, 9:11, Are you sure that's moral.png)

What is it with egoists and their proselytizing, anyway? Why are they so eager to destruct le spook of ebil altruism when they should have no reason to care if others are "free" or not? This reminds me of the mental contortions I went through when I had my quasi-pseudo-Randian phase but still wanted to be generous.


 No.92269

File: 44c4e9c835aae48⋯.jpg (106.3 KB, 1055x1005, 211:201, poke-noir.jpg)

>>92253

OP is just a faggot that wanted to show how cool and edgy he is. Tripfag is literally the most stupid, obnoxious and disgusting poster on 8ch and is not really accountable cunt shilling for ancom by copying anything liberals say while trying to throw Stirner memes because leftists are that stupid. All while whining about morals at the same time.

>Why are they so eager to destruct le spook of ebil altruism when they should have no reason to care if others are "free" or not?

Because reasons. One can find it comforting, one can find it interesting to improve his understanding or just does learn and came the the egoism as a conclusion. It's not like you're doing it for other reasons than to stroke your ego, get your ass praised and be in moral superiority position or feel clever, even if only for a moment. Don't get full of yourself, moralfag, your tendencies are very known and are not very compatible with ancap. Even more so, ancap theory is on a completely different axis and your self-inclusion in it will not be tolerated.


 No.92305

>>91911

Is Nietzschean worldview compatible with libertarianism?


 No.92307

File: d721cdd6cf80ce0⋯.png (39.78 KB, 892x978, 446:489, 1523206683758.png)

>>92305

Me and the libertarians I know are fans of Nietzsche, but admittedly we don't like the rest of his fanbase.




File: 8f6980a61b04453⋯.png (306.17 KB, 644x480, 161:120, Untitled.png)

 No.91772[Reply]

nigga looks like a shrew with dem beady eyes and nose

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 No.91818

>>91783

philosemites care too


 No.92027

>>91818

So jews and neocons? Because that's also what poltards are.


 No.92063

>>91789

Only for pea-brain rightwingers


 No.92283

>>92063

I'd pee on your brain, john.


 No.92306




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 No.91828[Reply]

Ancaps are literally the goblins

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 No.92293

>>92292

>Ancaps are just middle to upper middle class goobers

Unlike commies, I suppose, who are all proper working class men? In fact, most ideologues are from the middle or upper middle class, you won't find many great philosophers in a shoe factory. But we don't claim to represent a "class consciousness", unlike most left-wing ideologies.

>who fall into edgyness but think outright neo-nazism is too mainstream, so they worship Pinochet instead.

Or maybe we are reacting to the totally-not-edgy communists, SJW's and neocons who tell us daily that we must be punished for being class enemies/white men/terrorists?

>None of them know dick about business to actually be a businessman or merchant

Which kinda destroys the idea that we are acting out of our "class interest", if you ask me, but let's just ignore that lmao.

>and most have more than likely have never held a job/had to support themselves.

In my experience, ancaps are actually among the least likely to be NEET's. I cannot remember one ancap, in fact, who is just sitting on his ass all day.


 No.92298

File: 17b7d7bfb7cd3ec⋯.jpg (177.19 KB, 1500x1500, 1:1, you.jpg)


 No.92299

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>>92292

I make below minimum wage and still manage to save. Not one member of my whole family tree is anywhere near middle class. The difference between a Fascist and an AnCap is that one memes at you because you screech every single time about it, but doesn't actually intend to initiate aggression first. You seem to be projecting.


 No.92300

>>92299

Nice OC. There's only one place you could have learned that Bob Murphy does karaoke.


 No.92304

>>92293

>>92298

Goblins lmao. He was spot on about you edgetards.

>>92299

Human. You have no idea how little do you need to man up to become a fascist.




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 No.91320[Reply]

how can i measure time preference of girl im interested in?

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 No.92163

>>92161

no entiendo, disculpe :(


 No.92285

how to remain fuckfriends with a girl and not fall in love? having a fuckfriend would be the best option for me i think. can i kiss and hug a fuckfriend or only fucking is allowed?


 No.92286

>>92285

With most girls, it's out of the question.


 No.92287

>>92286

remaining fuckfriends is out of question?


 No.92291

>>92285

Try killing yourself, chicks think autoerotic asphyxiation is hot.




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 No.92288[Reply]

please recommend documentary movies or wildlife movies you like

 No.92290




File: 64cb51789a2c845⋯.jpeg (27.96 KB, 250x360, 25:36, aw_lawdy_melons.jpeg)

 No.92002[Reply]

>"Well howdy, mastuh Anon! I's done cooking fo' ya, if y'all come down heah wit yo' family oveah fo' dinnuh."

>"Do ya like it, mastuh? I's done thought it up myself! Issa gooood eatin', ain't it mastuh?"

ITT: You either own a loyal Negro slave, or act/talk like one. What do?

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 No.92029

File: 7b2760953daaf5e⋯.png (1.45 MB, 1920x1079, 1920:1079, xkkj3ye43ak01.png)

>>92002

What would I do with a nigger slave? Why not a woman?


 No.92035

>>92029

Cuts spending :^)


 No.92045

>>92035

>Cuts spending :^)

Actually, I'm only willing to pay for my nigger servant part-time, and I'd rather give him money to feed and clothe himself because doing it for him would involve using my more valuable man-hours shopping at the discount grocery store. Better to just give him the money and let him do the coupon-clipping himself, more efficient that way. And cheaper for me as well, as I'm only paying a part-time wage and he can go work another job for the rest.


 No.92106

File: fad2a51f3c4c8c2⋯.jpg (41.72 KB, 500x691, 500:691, get_in_the_robot.jpg)

>>92045

Yes, cuts spending. Slaves were given small amounts of money to buy shit like that.


 No.92282

>>92020

fun isn't fun for spergs




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 No.92198[Reply]

Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a men

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 No.92270

File: 39ac956974ea3c0⋯.png (219.25 KB, 800x1200, 2:3, lwj.png)

I'm not entirely sure how I got 19% communism. If I had to guess, I would say it was the questions on union behavior like mass strikes being assigned as "communist" somehow, things which I naturally support since they're free and autonomous social organization, the exact functional unit of a free market. It might have also assigned "A good policy is a pragmatic policy without ideology." a commie score?

If you hit "absolutely agree" to everything you get an exactly even 50-50 split in every stat, but there were only a few questions even vaguely related to communism, so I'm not sure.

Neat test, though. It nailed the fancy little badges ("anarchist" and "pragmatic").


 No.92276

File: af1b34e5b95b5fe⋯.png (8.83 KB, 669x221, 669:221, Capture.PNG)

>look at test

>first question

This is why 99% of political values quizzes are trash. They give out these non sequitur, denotative statements in place of questions, then try to make assumptions about what you believe from your reaction to a factual statement. The only correct answer to this question is "agree," because it's practically a tautology–society is by definition made up of individuals, so obviously it must follow that a change in the individual will induce a change in society. That's not the correct question to ask, the correct question is "Given that individuals can change society, the correct course of action is….". But because that's not the question being asked, but this shitty non-sequitur instead, the testee is forced to assume that his reaction to this indisputable statement will affect his final score. The immediate reaction to this thought is to start playing mind games with the author, trying to decide how he thinks certain kinds of people will respond to this, e.g. does he think that only those who desire to control the direction of "society" will select the first option? Political tests should only ask the following:

>what are your ideals

>what is the correct policy response to issue X

Anything else is a cheap attempt at pop psychology and not conducive to producing accurate results.


 No.92277

>>92276

This.


 No.92278

File: 11b1ca7a30681ac⋯.png (9.6 KB, 721x221, 721:221, Capture.PNG)

File: 89bd70ae9e375e6⋯.png (211.65 KB, 682x1018, 341:509, screenshot.png)

>>92276

>>92277

Or this one, "outsourcing is a necessary evil." I don't think outsourcing is an evil at all, I've got no problems with sweatshops giving me cheap products, but where's the button for that? Anyways, here are my results for what it's worth. Not sure how I got 7% commie, I did my best to actively avoid commie answers. The small bit of internationalism isn't surprising, because muh free trade.

Also,

>Some sectors or type of employment should be financially supported

Can someone explain to me what this is supposed to mean? Does it mean public financial support, ie subsidy? Does it mean some sectors shouldn't have any kind of financial support at all, ie do work for free? Was this shitty test written with Google translate?


 No.92281

>>92278

forgot flag.




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 No.92101[Reply]

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Get in here, Lads.

Fuck Discord but we need someplace to talk action still. IRC isnt robust enough.

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Post other chat servers and places for discussion

 No.92103

File: 7baf615124b2a70⋯.gif (118.48 KB, 475x304, 25:16, [gun sounds].gif)

>>92101

<Anyone welcome

Be sure to livestream it when you hang yourself.


 No.92139

File: 1050a9d98222a81⋯.png (2.68 MB, 1402x1052, 701:526, trash.png)

>no rand


 No.92265

>>92139

yep, that's the reasonfor there being no rand




File: 4c8a86680f1dcb2⋯.png (534.5 KB, 1049x1041, 1049:1041, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.92014[Reply]

LIBERTARDS BTFO BY WORLD RENOWNED ECONOMIST NOURIEL ROUBINI

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 No.92099

File: e6e9010ae1f7500⋯.png (515.33 KB, 1048x1040, 131:130, 20181015_202123.png)

>>92057

>>92078

i fixed it

maybe not all jews are bad, but roubini sure isn't a very exemplary specimen


 No.92150

File: f30b91b66b519b4⋯.png (151.55 KB, 500x448, 125:112, 88471a9d98818b7a8744e83a6c….png)

>>92014

What this commie kike doesn't understand is that we will be the ones piloting the black helicopters.


 No.92152

>>92051

>"spending your money on us is making you more economically literate because you'll make better decisions in the future"

literal confidence scam, lol


 No.92185

>>92099

Is the triangle supposed to be the boylove symbol?


 No.92263

>>92185

wouldn't be surprised. He's definitely in the right circles.




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