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Ya'll need Mises.

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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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I got deleted from /pol/ and bumplocked on /leftypol/. I'll try here too just for the fun of it:

The world is not as bad as you think it is. We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.


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>We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.

In the USA, you are correct. There's technically a slight upward trend in violent crimes in the very recent past (<5 years) but compared to 30-40 years ago, it's way lower. You almost never see accurate historical stats comparing violent crimes or police numbers for some reason. The media loves to promote doom and gloom for ratings. It also drives up gun sales which is just part of the plan for the future.

Also if what you posted here is what you posted on /pol/ etc, you were deleted because there's no real substance to your post.


The problem with niggers is that they operate on a different mental wavelength. Almost every issue just a miscommunication or misunderstanding. The pajeet in that video is yelling at him that it's not a card, it's a dollar. The nig already knows this. He just doesn't know what he's supposed to do with it and the pajeet tells him to leave instead of asking him to hand it to him. The nig at least had the decency to leave when asked.



the USA is a shithole. There's so much crime there.



>t. nigger


>unironic Whiggism

Into the trash it goes.

>but muh data

Remind that data isn't worth shit. Samuelson looked at muh data in 1987 and thought the Soviet Union would overtake the US in a decade.


>the internet

Literally a giant behavioural sink.



Statistics only go till 2010.

Invasion of Europe first started in 2014.

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why does the fed get so much hate? it literally lowered mortgage rates

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You answered your own question. Lowered interest rates were responsible for the housing crisis and every recession that's occurred since its creation.



>not affirmative action mortgage law



The Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, and all similar programs only served to be the reasons why it was the housing market specifically that was the sector in which the malinvestment happened. The root cause is still easy credit, which is caused by artificially low interest rates.


Is this the perfect time to buy gold?



The perfect time to buy gold is yesterday

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The Battle Of The Boards

8chan is mostly filled with statists. Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism? I couldn't find any. I see a lot of smart people on /liberty/ but I think most intelligent people steer away from 8chan because of all the retards on here.

If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

Let me know, if enough people care I'll make it.

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There is a huge gap in the market for a worksafe only imageboard, political or otherwise. I would migrate immediately.



>leftists and their nigger pets

Leftists ARE niggers, you shitskin negroid. Fascists are also leftists.

Jesus, this thread is an embarassment. Someone delete this shit.



that isnt even a leftpol view, its just an actual understanding of what would happen if there was no government. Hardly anyone on this god forsaken websites understands politics or these philsophies anyway and just views it from the lense of LARP shit


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>gay is okay

>fucking animals is okay

>polygamy/polyamory is okay

>freedom of speech/freedom to promote communism

>freedom of religion

>racial equality under the law


So when did you realize that you're basically just a moderate leftist?

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>muh republic

>muh constitution

They own you. There's no fucking difference.



Mob rule and mob's puppet rule have no functional difference between them, my boomer friend.



>sex "attacks"

I like how they always do their best to frame these encounters as voilent, unwanted, as if having your peepee massaged were the same as being sodomized ruthlessly with a broken branch.


Dude…are you just retarded or trolling? You wanna prevent freedom just cause some nobodies will do something you don't like? Give me a break dumb ass.


Degenerates get the rope



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ITT: Post things we'll see in Ancapistan.

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Lawn darts will be allowed


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Sorry fren, I don't have pics of alphas, fascists, leftists and niggers raping Anarchists™


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Women will be private property again. The state will have no power over the family anymore. Culture will flourish.


>nigger throws commie into a trashcan and steals the swastika

What did he mean by this?



Real gentlemen duel by sword.


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"The Anglo is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an individualist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is …"

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More DELUSIONAL white fantasies!




Did you not get bullied enough in the thread you made? Fuck off with the enlightened bigbrain centrism, you're embarrassing yourself.




Finally /cuckerty/ is dishing and not taking. I'm proud of you, anon.



There's nothing inherently coercive about it. I can decide of my own volition that I want to live among people of the same culture and that I want what's best for that culture without harming anyone else.

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I want to become skilled with weapons and physically fit. I want to travel all the way to New Zealand to kill this scumbag who killed the innocent. He doesn't even deserve a trial. He is no "red-pilled lad," he is a statist; he is a collectivist. A self-admitted fascist and, which he admitted himself, identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

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>Rephrasing a statement without distorting the meaning is not goalpost shifting.

The meaning was goalpost shifting to begin with.

>How are they not recognizing them?

By not recognizing them. How much of a nigger can you be?

>If such violations are prevalent, then why are contracts so prevalent?

Another retarded question. They are not prevalent.

>Once again, asking whether a society violates the NAP does not equate to "building society against" the NAP.

Once again, you dense motherfucker, it's not NAP, nor is this pathetic attempt to shift goalposts of any value. Following the "NAP", or whatever feel good pretentious bullshit you make up does not equate "forming society over it", nor do i have to prove the opposite to somehow make this idiotic blabbery more untrue that it already is.

>It is

No, it isn't, you dumb fuck. Stick that wikipedia link up your ass, it doesn't mean shit.


Learn to read, i'm not going to waste my time repeating it so that you can ignore it and pretend it didn't happen, deceitful filth.

>My previous statement still holds

No, it doesn't, i've clearly proven your shitty attempts to shift discussion and shove your implications as if they were in any way true.

>“Dominion noun 1. Sovereignty or control”

Reread what i wrote before, you dumb fucking scum.

>“he non-aggression principle (or NAP; also called the non-aggression axiom, the anti-coercion, zero aggression principle or non-initiation of force) is an ethical stance asserting that aggression is inherently wrong.”

Yeah, yeah, repeat it again, retarded idiot.

I'm tired of walking in circles. Kill yourself, you disingenuous inbred shill. Eat shit.



>The meaning was goalpost shifting to begin with.

The original meaning cannot be goalpost shifting

>By not recognizing them.

How are they not recognized?

>They are not prevalent

What are transactions? Even those most mundane purchases come with receipts.

>it's not NAP,

It is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

>whatever feel good pretentious bullshit you make up does not equate "forming society over it”

I did not make up the NAP as shown by the link above. I did not ask whether as society forms according to the NAP but asked which society does not abide by the NAP.

>No, it isn't, you dumb fuck.

It is. Also, character attacks are not arguments.

>it doesn't mean shit.

It provides the definition.

>Learn to read

>muh “Read a book”

Still not proof. You should go back to >>>/eftypol/ with that shit.

>i've clearly proven your shitty attempts to shift discussion and shove your implications

Shift discussions where? We are taking about the NAP: >>99884

>Reread what i wrote before,

<I would not, if they did not claim that it's in their domain.

“domain (noun): a territory over which dominion (i.e. sovereignty/control) is exercised”

Once again, the NAP as an ethical stance does not claim domain. You are looking at this principle as a legal law instead of a moral law.

>Yeah, yeah, repeat it again,

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>The original meaning cannot be goalpost shifting

It fucking was and still is, no matter how many times you repeat that, you dumb nigger.

>How are they not recognized?

By being violated. Why are you so retarded?

>What are transactions?

Something that doesn't exist in communism

>It is

No, it's not. It won't be no matter how many times you spam your retarded link with feel-good bullshit, you retarded shitstain.

>muh “Read a book”

Who said anything about books, you dumb nigger? You're incapable of reading a sentence.

>We are taking about the NAP

And NAP isn't about ethics.

>Once again, the NAP as an ethical stance does not claim domain

Once again, eat shit with your ethics and learn to read. NAP cannot claim anything.



>You should go back to >>>/eftypol/ with that shit.

You're in no position to tell anyone that, pretentious whiny scum.

>“domain (noun): a territory over which dominion (i.e. sovereignty/control) is exercised”

So you are actually incapable of reading sentences. Got it. Eat shit.

>You are looking at this principle as a legal law instead of a moral law.

>Moral law

Wow, that's even shittier that it was before. There's no such thing as "moral law", you fucking christcuck scum.



The NAP is neither a legal nor an ethical law. It's simply the way in which you learn to live in a society in which no single entity has a monopoly on violence (or on justice). The essence of it is simply "don't fuck with people who can fuck back." It's a lesson many people unfortunately don't learn these days, because as children they're commanded by adults to appeal to authority rather than resolve issues themselves. Most of those people are going to find themselves in a gutter pretty damn quick in Ancapistan, unless they're fast learners.

It's not a matter of appealing to the jury with an argument of "but he started it!". Rather, it's a matter of choosing your fights and not starting shit with anyone you don't have to. It doesn't matter if you're an uber rich, uber powerful, cartoon villain real estate magnate who goes around extorting every last penny from your tenants; it only takes one person to get fed up with your shit to put three bullets in your head. No amount of money or power can put that back together.

Stop thinking of the NAP as a way to justify who was "right" in a conflict. Instead, think of it as a reminder to avoid conflict whenever possible, without failing to recognize when avoidance becomes impossible.

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What are main libertarian thinkers thoughts on cloning? My question is not ill intended, I am really interested on it and I would love to clone myself instead of having kids with my partner.

I am going to give you a bit of my backgroud, I am studying biochemistry at college, I am about to end my degree, I fully understand that clonation is not perfect and there is high risk of mutations and random changes, which are normally harmful, but every pregnancy has also the same chance of mutations and random changes (that is how evolution works in all living beings afterall) but new technologies like CRISPR-CAS9 offer the possibility to correct those copy-paste mistakes that occur during the cloning process.

I am mostly interested in the libertarian ethics of cloning, obviously statists, anarcho-commies and even some minarchists are not going to feel like allowing it.


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>thoughts on cloning?

Absolutely necessary for genetically engineered catgirls and my private eugenics program.


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Took the words out of my mouth. What are you plans?

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If you had a few spare billion dollars lying around, how would you spend them, /liberty/? I would invest it into these island structures and build ancap in some warm part of the ocean.

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> I'd invest in nuclear defenses

the only good solution



>Waco 2




>The US Navy would suck my cock, if I had a billion dollars, I'd invest in nuclear defenses.




>“I’m dismantling the Soviet Union faster than you are.”

Based. What a great read, I didn't know about this. Maybe the US would be such a communist shithole in comparison to us that they would sell their own navy along with its gay sailors in exchange for some products we have.


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I'd dead afraid of being swalloed by a whale or something, you guys will need a really big island if you want me in there

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Anarchy: What it is, and what it isn't

For some reason it's really hard for a lot of people to grasp a simple concept.

"The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, authority." Thus, the term refers to the state of a society being without authorities or an authoritative governing body."

Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean what leftist cucks did with the term later on, this is what the word means "without authorities or an authoritative governing body".

So unless you think you can change ancient Greek definitions, gtfo with your garbage interpretations of it.


anarchy is jacking off to traps and doing drugs on a tuesday evening


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Is that a man?

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Show me your budgets /liberty/.


If that version is not ancap-XTREME enough for you:



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Just by reducing defense, healthcare, and economic security as much as possible


My finger got tired.

Fuck this website.



This. The fact that you can't hold down the button or type stuff in (nevermind all the damn warnings that pop up) makes it not worth my time.

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Have any of you read some of the policy proposals coming from the Democratic candidates for 2020? I mean, Sanders is already known to be a socialist, but Yang, holy fucking shit. This stuff reads like dystopian nightmare fuel, and I'm not even touching the UBI stuff. I really encourage you guys to read this stuff, it's fucking insane. I mean, I'm an autistic weeb lolbertarian, and I think this guy has out-autismed ME for fucks sake.


>In order to spur development, the government should issue a new currency – the Digital Social Credit – which can be converted into dollars and used to reward people and organizations who drive significant social value. This new currency would allow people to measure the amount of good that they have done through various programs and actions.

>Imagine an AI life coach with the voice of Oprah or Tom Hanks trying to help parents stay together or raise kids. Or a new Legion of Builders and Destroyers that install millions of solar panels across the country, upgrade our infrastructure and remove derelict buildings while also employing tens of thousands of workers. Or a digital personalized education subscription that is constantly giving you new material and grouping you with a few other people who are studying the same thing. Or a wearable device that monitors your vital signs and sends data to your doctor while recommending occasional behavior changes. Or voting securely in your local elections via your smartphone without any worry of fraud.


I have no comment on this.


>As President, I will…

> Create a new time banking app to track points awarded and traded for helping your community and neighbors

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>four figures of Facebook ads



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Reminder that you can stop shilling by Chinese government actors by mentioning or posting images of:

- Tiananmen Square

- 1989

- Tank man

- Winnie the Pooh

- 六四天安門 事件

- 6月4日天安门广场大屠杀

- 6月4日天安門廣場大屠殺

Or doing anything that would ruin their social credit score. Also, this is surprisingly effective at destroying posting frequency in Yang2020 threads, but that's probably completely unrelated.

I hope this ward works well for you. If only we had as good a ward for the JDF.



>IMO China saw how Russia intervened in 2016

How's that Mueller Report working out for you?



It works in online vidya too. Pretty effective if you mention the Tibetian genocide as well. Even Jewgle is trying to remove the term and call it a "Sinicization."


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>Winnie the Pooh

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What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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Good question, on point.

Since Statism relies mostly on scare tactics and indoctrination IMO, I think changing the education system will help a lot.

But since that's not going to happen as long as gov runs the schools, I think people having anarchist societies showing the rest how it's really done will do some real damage to statism.

Sheeple don't lead, they always follow, which means the anarchists will have to lead by example for sheeple to start catching on and seeing government is unnecessary.

Unfortunately there will always be statists, but if I'm able to live in an anarchist society that isn't 100% Christian or loaded with junkies like the few anarchist societies we have today, I'll be a happy man, the masses can have fun being statists for all I care.

I'm not here to save the world, Earth will do just fine with or without humans, I'm here to pursue freedom and happiness for me an my loved ones.


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create/spread tech that makes authoritarianism unenforceable


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The Battle Of The Boards

8chan is mostly filled with statists. Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism? I couldn't find any. I see a lot of smart people on /liberty/ but I think most intelligent people steer away from 8chan because of all the retards on here.

If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

Let me know, if enough people care I'll make it.



I actually meant to make a new thread, noob4life lol

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