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 No.67719[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.76601[Reply]

If capitalism is a good thing, why is it universally hated in Eastern Europe? I am from Ukraine, a country where to the vast majority of people, capitalism is a synonym for poverty, homelessness, and war.

I personally don't know a single person who believes anything positive came out of the restoration of capitalism. I also don't know anyone who wouldn't want socialism back.

How do you reconcile this with your ideology? It's not just Ukraine, but almost every Eastern European country, with the exception of Poland. And it's not just 55%, or 60% who miss socialism. It's 80%, 70%, and other overwhelming majorities.

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 No.76809

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>>76801

Hi Bordiga.


 No.76820

>>76809

>state capitalism


 No.76827

>>76820

Yeah it's pretty redundant don't you think?


 No.76887

>>76601

> I am from Ukraine, a country where to the vast majority of people, capitalism is a synonym for poverty, homelessness, and war

No you are not sweety. All former soviet states invariantly hate communism to bits since they experienced it first hand, not like you armchair college kids commies.

Next time try to make your lies less blatant, faggot.


 No.76888

>>76807

no it dosnt




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 No.76715[Reply]

New method to bankrupt the state, even better than agorism

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 No.76874

>>76841

>posting soythots when you're on your period


 No.76881

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>>76874

2d doesn't breathe, therefore they're not thots.


 No.76882

>>76881

I fucked your waifu.


 No.76886

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>>76882

holo isn't my waifu


 No.76889

>>76886

your loss




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 No.76854[Reply]

Can we make Somalia into Ancapistan? They've established the NAP on a fief level.

>After years of being split into fiefdoms, the main Somali warlords established an agreement to appoint a new president in 2004. However, this plan failed when Islamist insurgents, including the radical youth militia al-Shabaab who had links to Al-Qaeda, gained control over much of southern Somalia from 2006 to 2008.[77][78] With the assistance of international peace keeping offensives and the Kenyan army, the Islamist insurgents were forced to withdraw in 2012.[77] In the same year, the first formal parliament in over 20 years was appointed in Somalia.[77] The newly formed parliament chose Hassan Sheikh Mohamud as the new president in September 2012. With international assistance, the Somali government has been able to rebuild itself and the country has been relatively more stable recently.[77] Since 2013, Somalia has retained a polity score of five and is listed as an open anocracy.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anocracy#Somalia

 No.76859

What is the requirements to vote in Somalia? Can you even vote. Perhaps with a few subtle influences we can turn their feudal warlords in Dispute Resolution Providers™


 No.76861

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>>76859

Elections aren't all there yet due to the civil war:

>Elections in Somalia were last held during the tenure of Somalia's socialist administration in the 1980s. Popular elections were planned for the parliament in 2012, but were not held. The constitution of Somalia does, however, provide for an electoral system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Somalia

>Parliamentary elections were held in Somalia in October and November 2016. The Upper House was elected on 10 October, with voting taking place for the House of the People, which was elected between 23 October and 10 November 2016.[1] They were the first elections since 1984, and the newly elected Parliament was due to elect the President on 30 November.[2][3] However, the presidential elections were delayed and eventually held on 8 February 2017, when the MPs and Senators elected Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed as President.[4]

>The ongoing civil war prevented an election with full suffrage from taking place, and instead an indirect election was held, with 14,025 delegates, themselves appointed by clan elders, electing the Parliament.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_parliamentary_election,_2016

So you might need a PMC and a lot of bribes to rustle the delegates.


 No.76872

>>76854

>soymalia

LMAO you can't even grow soybeans there! What do those niggers eat anyway?


 No.76885

>>76854

They're still barbarians, even though they've made steps in the right direction since their central government failed. Nowhere near Ancapistan yet, for that, a lot more ideological and cultural development would be necessary.




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 No.66901[Reply]

if you had children shop in ancap, will you sell children to a pair of fags or a pair of dykes? why? is the idea that lgbt ppl are no worse parents than heteros cultural marxist fake science?

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 No.76795

>>76765

Same shit, marginally different color. You cannot claim that there is one universal ethic but that you are allowed to arbitrarily act outside of it. "There are universal rules that you should follow but you shouldn't follow them if you don't feel like it" is a contradiction in terms.

Where did you learn to philosophize, Harvard? Because it takes some seriously advanced background in analytical philosophy to have this much fun with totally meaningless nuances.


 No.76799

>>76795

>You cannot claim that there is one universal ethic but that you are allowed to arbitrarily act outside of it.

>allowed

kekekekek

>rules that you should follow

>should follow

good and evil existing is independent of choosing being good or evil this is 101 tier


 No.76825

>>76799

You nigger. No one ever claimed that it's impossible to choose to act evil, but what I claim is that it's impossible to say you "ought" to act evil, which is what Stirner does (according to you, I'm sure he denied that good and evil are meaningful concepts but that's not important here). A system of ethics is a set of principles that an actor has to follow in his conduct. To say he should only act according to them if he feels like it is to say that they're not really binding, and then we cannot speak of a system of ethics. Substantially, then, Stirner is an emotivist.


 No.76842

>>76825

>has to follow in his conduct.

>t's impossible to say you "ought" to act evil

Its not "ought" to act evil. It's act independent of it being good or evil.

>is to say that they're not really binding

They are not binding. Murderers and rapists exist. The restraint is their execution.

>then we cannot speak of a system of ethics

We can absolutely talk about ethics without it being binding. Serial killers can go off kill a dozen people and then talk about themselves being evil in the interview before they are chaired.


 No.76884

>>76842

>Its not "ought" to act evil. It's act independent of it being good or evil.

When you advise someone to act independent of good and evil, then you're advising him to act evil in at least some cases. So what I said still stands.

>We can absolutely talk about ethics without it being binding. Serial killers can go off kill a dozen people and then talk about themselves being evil in the interview before they are chaired.

Christ Almighty. For thousands of years, people have known that any kind of law is broken regularly, be it moral or customary, statutory or natural, divine or temporary. Still, they created ethical systems, including pacifist ones that cannot be enforced. So, when people describe an ethical system as binding, they do not mean that you get hit by lightning when you break the law. In fact, most philosophers would say that ethical conduct presupposes the possibility of acting unethically. Hence, no ethical philosopher has ever talked about whether it's ethical or not to fly by flapping your arms around. It's not just an inconsequential question, it's also outside the sphere of ethics.

To say an ethical system is binding is usually to say that you cannot rationally act against it. You can be an asshole, you can even derive pleasure from it, but you cannot find self-fulfillment through it.




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 No.39235[Reply]

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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 No.76875

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>>76840

>Thotmas Soyell


 No.76876

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>>76875

>posting interracial cuck porn denigrating white men


 No.76877

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>>76876

>posting jews denigrating white soyboys

Semen is actually a better source of estrogen than soy and if you can't see that then you're a capitalist soyshill kike trying to corner the market with your inferior product.


 No.76878

>>76877

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 No.76883

>>76878

reported for being an authoritycuck




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 No.76238[Reply]

Why are ancaps so pathetic?

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 No.76696

>>76668

I thought she was transgender?


 No.76699

>>76696

He/She's a soythot.


 No.76714

>>76696

No, that's just a /pol/ meme. You know how they always make shit up to "troll" and then start seriously believing and getting upset by the very thing they've just made up?


 No.76716

>>76714

Facts are simply tools of oppression used in ideological conflict.


 No.76880

>>76238

Chaos is essential part of life.




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 No.76538[Reply]

Would you call libertarianism a right-wing ideology, or "neither left nor right?"

Image semi-related.

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 No.76653

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>>76609

>Did I reading this right

Yes, you did, what he means by that is "who cares if everything about that country is shit as long as they have good doctors", just like how the Soviet Union was great just because they rounded up a bunch of kolhozniks into factories and sent dogs into space, ignoring the fact that had Russia taken a different course with free markets and a fair government, they would have been a proper European first-world country and probably colonized Mars by now.


 No.76675

>>76607

>Look at levels of education in Imperial Russia compared to Soviets in 10-20 years

Education in the USSR was abysmal. The poor Soviet children even thought socialism could work. :^)

>>76613

>HDI

This damn thing again? It's a measure of how scandinavian a country is, basically. Last I checked, it measures health, education, and wealth, and rates them both from 0 to 0.333. However, with health, you reach the 0.333 quite easily, as the thing caps off at 82 or so. Wealth, I think something quite similar. But education, that's where a country can shine among the competition. And how is education measured? By how much time is spent in educational facilities on average. So, if you want to score high on the HDI, you don't want an immortal race of millionaires, you want a quite healthy, quite rich population that spends twenty years in school. It's not even required you end up with any good philosophers for your effort, or even with skilled workers, it's enough if you let your populace sit in school learning the ABC over and over again.

Socialist countries always fare quite well on measures of education in general. Everyone there can read, everyone went through ten years or so of schooling, and university is subsidized, and that's enough to warrant a top score on most indexes. Of course, what you cannot measure quantitatively are things like how profound and beautiful a country's poetry is, if the people have found a healthy balance between hope and skepticism, or if they're cultured. The beauty of simple villagers speaking three dialects, knowing folk dances and folk songs and how to play two instruments, that's lost on an index, but that they cannot read, that will instill dread into the hearts of the professors at Harvard, who lament the fate of every skilled worker who nevertheless cannot read The Idea of Justice.


 No.76695

>>76613

>HDI

Statistics such as longevity and the literacy are nationally reported without independent verification.


 No.76762

>>76603

>right is about inherited priviledge

Citation needed.

>the left is about positive freedom

Citation needed.

>the educational standards achieved by socialists more or less everywhere are staggering compared to capitalist countries of similar developmental level

I don't see how educational standards are a measure of success, but regardless:

Citation needed.


 No.76879

What Liggio said. Throne and Altar on the right, liberty on the left, socialism a confused middle.




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 No.76706[Reply]

Ancaps and Libertarians believe in the supreme power of the free market to make everything work out, but how can that happen when buying on credit breaks supply and demand?

When people can freely take out a loan at basically any time, they're basically just being enabled to buy things that they can't afford. These things are more likely than not to be luxury items like nice new cars or big houses, because people who can't afford basic necessities generally can't get approved for a credit card or loan. So when lots of people are getting loans to buy these luxury items, it skews the market toward expensive, high-end luxury items and away from basic necessities. This causes the price of those necessities to increase, which means that everyone in all of society has to pay an increased amount to support themselves.

Additionally, because these loans are almost always ill-advised (the relatively few people who shrewdly take maximum advantage of credit card bonus points and loan interest rates lower than investment return rates are effectively being subsidized by other people making poor choices), the entire industry is basically built to exploit market inefficiency without actually contributing anything. And on top of that, because fractional reserve lending causes inflation that's focused at first in specific markets before radiating out, it's a prime factor contributing to economic bubbles, an existential threat to the free market. Together, this means that the most effective method of lending is a pump-and-dump: create imaginary money by making a larger pie, use that money to buy physical assets (belonging to a separate pie that isn't increased by lending), and laugh at the filthy plebeians when the bubble pops and they're left with worthless paper and you have valuable land and products.

How do you propose to protect ancapistan from the specter of usury? Certainly, the lack of a central government to enforce property rights will help, since it will discourage people from making exorbitant and/or conspicuous purchases and presumably reduce the scale of businesses and making lending riskier, but there is no mechanism by which it's possible to place limits on the ability of banks to fuck everything up without so much as a vestigial state.

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 No.76865

>>76864

>doesn't cause houses to be built that wouldn't have otherwise.

That does not follow

*is not the same thing as


 No.76866

>>76864

>The fact that its young people buying and not old people does not increase the amount of people buying.

Without lending, very few young people would have the money to buy the kinds of houses that are currently being built; they're just too expensive. That means demand is lower, and therefore the prices will fall in turn. However, you won't see McMansions going on sale for $20 because that won't cover the cost of building it. So what you'll see are smaller houses being built, because people can afford them, and more houses being built, because smaller houses provide an opportunity to split land into smaller parcels and make up the difference in volume.

So who's going to live in these extra houses that are being built? Easy. Fewer people will rent because the cost of owning a home is brought down within their grasp. There will be a reduction in apartments and projects, and fewer millennials will be living with their parents into their 30s.

>Only in big cities is land expensive. Not everyone has to live in the same spot.

I agree. I think part of the reduction in housing prices as a result of ending lending would be from deurbanization, which I see as a good thing. That still doesn't mean that it's feasible for your average 25 year old to go buy a plot of land in the middle of the desert and live on it. Land closer to civilization will still be more valuable, and there's still a limit on the amount of habitable land in the country that's probably not going to change much until the population is significantly larger than it is today, necessitating uninhabitable land to be reclaimed.

>is not the same thing is federal reserve backed fractional reserve banking

Irrelevant. Fractional reserve banking is inflationary by design. You could argue that those banks wouldn't last very long without a bailout, but I'll just point out that JPMorgan Chase has been around for well over a hundred years, and how well it weathered the recent recession, grabbing up Bear Stearns and WaMu at bargain bin prices in the process. There's no reaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.76867

>>76866

>JPMorgan Chase has been around for well over a hundred years

We have had a reserve system for over 100 years

>there's no reason to think that it's impossible for a fractional reserve bank to flourish in ancapistan

Fractional reserve systems are incredibly vulnerable to bank runs if you cant print money.

>Fractional reserve banking is inflationary by design

Fractional reserve banking leads to no increase in monetary supply unless combined with an inflationary reserve / minting system.


 No.76868

>>76866

>Without lending, very few young people would have the money to buy the kinds of houses that are currently being built;

Yes

>That means demand is lower, and therefore the prices will fall in turn.

This does not follow. Demand for number of houses is the same. Demand for size of house is different. Price would fall only because in relation to the size of the house.

>smaller houses provide an opportunity to split land into smaller parcels

Houses can be luxuries and small inside cities. It is not like house size is the only metric that can increase cost.

>there's still a limit on the amount of habitable land in the country

Not really, plenty of land just need more cities.

> That still doesn't mean that it's feasible for your average 25 year old to go buy a plot of land in the middle of the desert and live on it

You can have expensive and in civilization or cheap and outside of it. Pick what you want.

>Fewer people will rent because the cost of owning a home is brought down within their grasp

they will be wasting money renting until then.

>cost of owning a home is brought down within their grasp

A loan does not mean the price of small houses goes up in a non inflationary currency


 No.76873

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It feels like I'm arguing with a bunch of idiots.

>>76867

>We have had a reserve system for over 100 years

Yes, and soybeans have been cultivated for thousands of years in east Asia.

>Fractional reserve systems are incredibly vulnerable to bank runs if you cant print money.

Why the fuck would I print money if my currency is capped to soy?

>Fractional reserve banking leads to no increase in monetary supply unless combined with an inflationary reserve / minting system.

The only thing that would lead to an increase in monetary supply is the increased production of soybeans, but you wouldn't know that since you're a filthy commie.

>>76868

>Houses can be luxuries and small inside cities. It is not like house size is the only metric that can increase cost.

Houses exist for us, we do not exist for houses, but we do exist for soy. Your whole premise is wrong.

>Not really, plenty of land just need more cities.

Human beings aren't meant to live in cities in the first place, it is an artificial environment that we haven't evolved for and until we research better vertical farming technologies they should be paved down for more land to grow soy on.




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 No.76504[Reply]

Is cucking a breach of contract? What is the fine for the violation?

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 No.76586

>>76553

If a person truly has ownership over themself, they can freely choose to enter into an exclusive relationship if they wish.


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>>76586

Including selling their person into slavery : >


 No.76857

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>>76594

>Including selling their person into slavery : >

What did he mean by this?


 No.76870

>>76857

Wage labour


 No.76871

>>76594

MMmmmm…. post more soyboy porn pls




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 No.76128[Reply]

Would anyone like to see an actual debate between Anarchist philosophers. Most of the debates I have seen between AnComs and AnCaps have been between "amateurs" to say the least. It seems like kind of a shame because there are really influential thinkers on both sides and it would be an interesting watch.

The topics could include the ethics of capitalism, tactics for achieving a stateless society, economic calculation problem, problems with democratic unions, etc.

I can think of a team made up of Hans Herman Hoppe, Jeffrey Tucker, and David Friedman vs Noam Chomsky, Slavoj Zizek, and one other influential left anarchist if leftypol wants to make a suggestion.You could also use more intermediate thinkers like Tom Woods or Lew Rockwell for the AnCap side with whoever the left wants to add.

For real fun you could have a celebrity match up with the likes of Alan Moore and Dan Harmon vs Glenn Jacobs and Penn Jillette or something. Thoughts?

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 No.76290

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>>76253

Who doesn't?


 No.76302

>>76278

don't misuse that quote retard, anarchism and leftism do not inherently contradict each other, not to mention those are broad as fuck terms.

reminder that Orwell was a democratic socialist who fought alongside marxists in the spanish civil war.


 No.76304

>>76302

>reminder that Orwell was a democratic socialist who fought alongside marxists in the spanish civil war.

And how is that relevant, except to stroke your e-penis because someone famous was also a lefty?


 No.76862

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>>76302

>anarchism and leftism do not inherently contradict each other


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 No.75770[Reply]

Having this discussion on /tech/ has proven to be impossible due to all the communists screaming at each other about licenses. So the question I have for you today:

What is a more libertarian license? GPL or BSD? Is BSD a "cuck license?" Is the GPL communist?

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 No.76780

>>75770

The most libertarian software is that software that is created, bought, sold, and distributed without coercion.

Ergo, if a developer VOLUNTEERS his time to a GPL, BSD, or other licensed project its a-ok to a libertarian because it was a voluntary interaction.

The problem with these licenses is that its the best that we can do in a non-libertarian world. A more libertarian world might have little to no intellectual property laws (patents, copyrights, etc.). So the minute you make a program's source code available you've essentially given away your software for free. The only limit may be plagiarism, i.e. you can't copy someone's github project and claim it as your original work.

With this in mind, I think the most libertarian license is one that allows someone complete ownership over the software after purchasing it. That includes the source code. For open source situations, the most libertarian thing to do would be to allow someone to use it for any purpose as long as they give you credit for the work.

Microsoft Windows might still exist in a more libertarian society. The thing is that they wouldn't be able to sue someone for reverse engineering their software. Once someone buys a copy of Windows that means they own that copy. They can't outright go to M$ HQ and steal source code but they can reverse engineer the binaries that they already have. They also can't sue someone for sharing copies of Windows.

You might see Windows becoming more of a cloud-based platform in these cases.


 No.76782

>>76780

>Microsoft Windows still exists in libertarian utopia

wtf I'm a Stalinist now.


 No.76783

>>76782

You're a fool. Why couldn't Windows still exist? It could very easily become a cloud service like Azure and Skype online already are.

As I said earlier, a libertarian society wouldn't have much in the way of intellectual property. Once an idea is out there its up for grabs. Once you purchase something you own it. So copies of Windows would inevitably be hacked and torrented. Ergo Windows services in the cloud. Software-as-a-service would be the most viable way to make money off of software.


 No.76788

>>76782

>>76783

I would like to add that Google Docs is already a real world example of this system. It's a text editor that you interact with via your browser and it stores your files on a cloud.


 No.76855

>>76780

>The only limit may be plagiarism, i.e. you can't copy someone's github project and claim it as your original work.

Even then, it's still not theft, and prohibiting plagiarism doesn't need to come from an intellectual property standpoint. It seems to me like it's more of a fraud kind of thing, or maybe even libel, since taking the credit for creating something carries the implication that the actual creator did not create it.




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 No.76810[Reply]

Do you know any good soy based recipes?

 No.76845

Since all communists are soyboys, you can wait for the class war, then make a profit by extracting pure soy out of dead commie's bodies and selling it back to other commies.




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 No.76802[Reply]

LET FREEDOM RING!

 No.76804

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Party thread


 No.76839

>>76802

Holy fuck, I completely missed this round.

SOYBOYS COMING INCOMING. BRACE YOURSELVES FOR THE NEXT WAVE OF SOYPOSTERS LADS




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