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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
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The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.58875[Reply]

https://archive.is/25ddw

Why can't Russia have the best gubmint's road?



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 No.58865[Reply]

http://www.independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/

This is what happens when you fuck with the free market because the free movement of labour hurts your precious feelings.

Daily reminder that if you are against migration you are against freedom.

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 No.58868

>>58866

>I'll start supporting "movement of labor" when I can physically bar these "laborers" from my neighborhood.

This, basically.

Sage for bait.


 No.58871

>>58866

You can bar them from entering your own private property, but you have no right to tell others what to do.


 No.58872

>>58865

the first sentence of the article is

>Last year marked the fifth consecutive year Santa Barbara County’s agriculture industry has struggled with labor shortages

so go fuck yourself


 No.58873

>>58865

meanwhile tons of people are unemployed, at home, watching tv, collecting welfare checks

b-but muh migrations


 No.58874

File: ecd31e7d385e835⋯.jpg (243.88 KB, 600x600, 1:1, kisaragi.jpg)

>less Mexicans wanting to immigrate

>less immigrants wanting to work the fields

Seems unclear how many would have been harvested.




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 No.58734[Reply]

Masters of the World had so much promise if only the developers would have spent some fucking time fixing it instead of releasing patches as a new game. They must all be socialists because it is almost impossible to create a libertarian society due to the game mechanics alone. Practically the only thing you can do is reduce corporate tax and watch GDP skyrocket. Civil liberties do nothing aside from making certain sections of the populace happy for a brief time. Also everything from infrastructure, to hospitals, universities, research labs, and even housing must be built by the State. Why is the State responsible for having to rebuild dilapidated housing? If I get rid of the welfare state by eliminating all funding the people go ape shit and attempt to overthrow me, and I can only survive by using god mode. I refuse to buy the new Power & Revolution game as it is merely a cosmetic upgrade. Does anyone have any recommendations for political simulators that actually respond to libertarian ideologies?

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 No.58847

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 No.58852

>>58747

>Exactly! Except that the devs made it so that even by giving your people extra liberties they do nothing with it. I gave my people full freedom of expression so you would think I would have a booming media sector. Nope, in fact my media sector is actually dying away.

That is so twisted, I don't know where to begin. There's a reason North Korea has to kidnap good moviemakers.

>Looks intriguing, I going to have to check it out. Thanks for sharing that.

Sure, you're welcome! Pro-tip: If you hold out long enough against the AI, its kingdoms will be completely overrun by rebels, the king will engage in a massive democide, causing even larger riots, and eventually, it'll come apart as they run out of villagers to recruit or put to work in weapons manufactories. I legitimately won a game where I had only a king and two spies left by letting him run from castle to castle and eventually hide behind a muntain.

>>58750

It's kinda retarded, but can be fun. The creator of that game also wrote a book, Jennifer Government. It's a dystopia set in Ancapistan. It's quite a fun read, but he's still bluepilled as fuck on muh income equality and muh government enforcing our rights. Ironically, the government saves the day… except that the government is just a private defense company whose members like to LARP as government officials. So actually, Ancapistan looks out for itself. It always gives me the fucking chuckles how the worst visions of Ancapistan are just slighty worse than Cuba and the former Yugoslavia. Our dystopias beat their realities.


 No.58856

>>58815

since all major functions are distributed rather than centralized

it might make a fun mutliplayer-rts?

ott: dont waste your time on (browser) games


 No.58867

Diplomacy 3 can be pretty fun if you are ok with being assassinated by socialists before you can make it to your first re-election every game. I dont know how many times I doubled the GDP, cut taxes by two-thirds and practically eliminated crime by taking care of the root problems by insuring that everyone including those technically on what was left of welfarehad a job. But I guess even in the US you just to get shot by socialists that decide that you deserve to die because you arent kicking the capitalists and self-employed in the teeth with """progressive""" taxes. Hell, I even threw them a bone by reserving almost a third of my revenue to being spent on science grants and environmental reforms, but I guess they would rather live in a brutalist commie block and be taxed 95% of their income than spend another minute in a country where filthy capitalists get the same rights as them.

7/10

Pretty fun, you could technically win no matter where you go on the political compass as long as you fully fund your "totally not a violation of your right to privacy" Intelligence agency to make sure you arent another victim of the meme nugget communism super weapon. Literally everything other reform is free game as long as your population is ready for it, but unfortunately there will always be socialists and there isnt a "universal socialist helicopter ride" option.


 No.58870

>not playing The Guild 2 and raising taxes on your rivals

>>58867

>Synergy mod is kill




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 No.58477[Reply]

Before you go: "yet another pedo thread go fuck yourself", Consider the following:

>It's legal to own and distribute videos of people being tortured and killed(including kids) but it's illegal to own pictures of naked little girls making sexy poses.

>it's legal to cut away a part of newborn's penis but it's illegal to give a blowjob to a 15yo boy

>It's legal for 16yos to fuck each other(in some states) but they can be arrested if they record themselves.

>It's legal for 16yo to enlist to the military(potentially getting sent to where they can be killed) but illegal for them to be recorded furing sex.

>it's legal to do porn in general but prostitution is illegal.

Thoughts on this? How do we change it?

(If you don't agree debate me.)

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 No.58822

>>58820

It's basically a subjective standard. But most people agree that you should be a certain age


 No.58824

>>58822

yee but that's a good thing for the most part. but what society ever let people fuck toddlers?

fucking pedos


 No.58843

>>58477

No.

Not gonna read that.

Go fuck yourself.

A childs mind hasn't developed yet.

You can truly destroy and corrupt a child's mind by fucking him.


 No.58844

>>58843

Your mind doesn't develop till 25 hehe


 No.58869

>>58844

WAIT WAIT WAIT DID YOU JUST IMPLY THAT IT IS OKAY TO FUCK WOMEN BELOW 30?

YUCK, WHAT THE FUCK YOU EVEN ADMITTED IT, YOU'RE COMING WITH ME WITH THE CHARGES OF INCITATION TO BREEDING.

NEXT TIME YOU'LL THINK AGAIN BEFORE THINKING IT'S OKAY TO REPRODUCE. A LIFE OF PRISON AWAITS YOU, WHITEY.

PROCREATION IS DEGENERACY

EQUALITY IS PRIVILEGE

WAR IS FREEDOM.

LONG LIVE THE BIG BROTHER.




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 No.58697[Reply]

why does hollywood hate trump? maybe actors are by definition extraverts and extraverts are more left-wing?

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 No.58857

>>58836

lets define optimal rep as meritocratic

and thus overrep as higher than the meritocracy-derived frequency

also, more important are producers, financiers, perhaps directors

what do you think?

also a lot of media is owned by the same people; they are celebrity makers

high finance is 90% jewish

strictly meritocratic?

silicon valley is something like 25% jewish


 No.58858

>>58857

also heres an excerpt from the dictators handbook

The Perils of Meritocracy

>>58857

One lesson to be learned from Mark Hurd’s ultimate removal at HP is that doing a good job is not enough to ensure political survival. That is true whether one is running a business, a charity, or a national government. How much a leader’s performance influences remaining in office is a highly subjective matter. It might seem obvious that it is important to have people in the coalition of key backers who are competent at performing the duties associated with implementing the leader’s policies. But autocracy isn’t about good governance. It’s about what’s good for the leader, not what’s good for the people. In fact, having competent ministers, or competent corporate board members, can be a dangerous mistake. Competent people, after all, are potential (and potentially competent) rivals.

The three most important characteristics of a coalition are: (1) Loyalty; (2) Loyalty; (3) Loyalty. Successful leaders surround themselves with trusted friends and family, and rid themselves of any ambitious supporters. Carly Fiorina had a hard time achieving that objective and as a result she failed to last long. Fidel Castro, by contrast, was a master (of course, he had fewer impediments to overcome in what he could do than did Fiorina) and he lasted in power for nearly half a century.

The implications of this aspect of political logic are profound, particularly in small coalition governments. Saddam Hussein in Iraq, like Idi Amin in Uganda and so many other eventual national leaders, started as a street thug. Autocrats don’t need West Point graduates to protect them. Once in power, people like Amin and Hussein wisely surround themselves with trusted members of their own tribe or clan, installing them in the most important positions—those involving force and money—and killing anyone that may turn out to be a rival.

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>>58858

Survivors included people like Saddam’s cousin, “Chemical Ali,” Ali Hassan al-Majid. Chemical Ali most notably demonstrated his loyalty in 1988 when, under orders from Saddam, he launched a successful campaign to commit genocide against Iraq’s restive Kurds. Long before that al-Majid had established his commitment to Saddam Hussein. In the infamous videotape mentioned earlier, al-Majid is seen speaking to Saddam, saying, “What you have done in the past was good. What you will do in the future is good. But there’s one small point. You have been too gentle, too merciful.”7 Unlike many who were executed following the July 22, 1979, party assembly, al-Majid, previously a motorcycle courier/delivery boy, had little formal education. Although he held the posts of defense minister, interior minister, and head of Iraq’s intelligence service, it seems his main area of competence was murder.

Saddam Hussein’s pattern of appointments is quite typical. His successor, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, purged the security services of all Sunnis and replaced them with Shia supporters, albeit with a gentler hand than his predecessor.8 These replacements did not have the experience and training of the existing security personnel. Both leaders knew that it is better to have loyal incompetents than competent rivals.

Sometimes, of course, having competent advisers is unavoidable. Byzantine, Mughal, Chinese, Caliphate, and other emperors devised a creative solution that guaranteed that these advisers didn’t become rivals: They all relied on eunuchs at various times. In the Byzantine Empire in the ninth and tenth centuries, the three most senior posts below emperor were held almost exclusively by eunuchs. The most senior position of Grand Administrator had evolved from the position of Prefect of the Sacred Bedchamber and included the duties of posting eunuch guards and watching over the sleeping emperor. Michael III made an exception and gave this position to his favorite, Basil, rather than a eunuch. This decision cost him his life. When Basil perceived that Michael was starting to favor another courtier, he murdered the emperor and seized the throne.9

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 No.58860

>>58836

Among actors? Probably. There's a fair amount of nepotism in the industry. Among executives in mass media? Absolutely. They steer the content in the direction they wish: Big government left-leaning liberalism. /pol/ doesn't call TV "the electric Jew" for nothing.


 No.58864

Because they are all puppets and either:

A, Trump is an enemy and threat to their (((establishment))) and thus they are trying to poison their subjects against him.

B, Trump is a puppet tasked with quelling and dividing those hostile against their (((establishment))) and pose an actual threat to it so they are trying to convince these people that Possibility A is the case.




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 No.58854[Reply]

Apparently during the American Revolution the Patriots were a minority group in the colonies.Not everyone wanted FREEDOM from Britain, some even went so far as to join them. America was separated into 3 group at the time, Patriots (people who wanted FREEDOM), the Loyalist (people who want to stay with the EU Britain), and those people who didn't give a fuck.

So in short the violated liberties we have today in America came from a minority group who valued FREEDOM.

I don't know about you guys, but i don't feel so bad seeing how true liberty seems to be a small scale thing capable of changing a whole country.

 No.58855

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>>58854

>I don't know about you guys, but i don't feel so bad seeing how true liberty seems to be a small scale thing capable of changing a whole country.

It never had anything to do with true Liberty. It was a power struggle for control and the side that had the advantages won. Whatever "freedom" they had was more due to the inability of government to get big enough fast enough to be noticed. Same reason there was more personal freedom during monarchical rule. What the revolution does show is that you can't force someone to be free. They will return to their ways shortly after.


 No.58863

What >>58855 said. Also, the Patriots only really "won" due to heavy assistance from the French. It is true that freedom need not be popular with the democratic mob to succeed, but the way to do so is through secession, not revolt. Ideally, the first group that does this gets some kind of legal recognition and sets a precedent for other hopefuls, but it's not necessary, and certainly not one should hold out for in the name of PR.




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 No.58849[Reply]

Somewhere, I think here, I read a quote that warned the reader to beware of thieves who steal for the common good more than any other, for they steal you without their conscience stopping them. Anyone have it, in image macro form or otherwise?

 No.58850

File: cd4e3d67fcee11b⋯.jpg (123.18 KB, 640x820, 32:41, C.S. Lewis on paternalisti….jpg)

>>58849

Say no more, fam.


 No.58862

>>58850

That's the one, thank you my man.




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 No.55121[Reply]

(Why is there no anarcho-transhumanist flag?)

It seems to me that technology is the only way to achieve true anarchism. I know a lot of anarcho-transhumanists/antechs are leftist, but honestly technology could lead to the means of production becoming robots that are cryptographically verified as belonging to you, so private property would be able to defend itself. Capitalism is an economic technology itself. I think in the future, we could all be capitalists and design shit and then use our personal robot workers to make stuff to sell to each other, in a totally mutual capitalist economy, and there would also be a lot of things people could make with 3D printers/additive manufacturing machines once they get really advanced. Sounds absurd now, but with how fast companies in China are automating shit, it's the long term trend and it seems like it's not super far off now. Some statists are starting to use this to argue for ubi or even communism, but I think the end of direct work will actually involve widespread advancement into everyone being capitalistic. Even now a lot of people work from their computers, a means of production they own.

Another thing is that with full automation welfare wouldn't be needed, because charity would become exponential (sort of, it would be limited by resources and land obviously), since as soon as you can get a human level robot and a super-advanced 3D printer, you get free income from the capital you own, and can then use that to gather resources and energy to build more robots, so everyone's living standards would shoot way up, and things would get pretty comfy.

The primary sticking block to anarcho-capitalism is that most people are too weak for it, but with technology that could change, because things would be a lot cheaper, and there would be high levels of automation, but potentially down the line due to transhumanism meaning that rugged individualism doesn't involve a massive culling of people who aren't rugged enough for it. That's the only way I can see the majority of the public eventually coming round to anarcho-capitalism and slowly abandoning statism, because most people want to be free, they are just too weak and frightened to be anything but slaves to politicians.

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 No.58201

>>57960

to study faster


 No.58436

>>57782

in uk shop there is only

>neurostim extracts

made out of herbs :/


 No.58468

>>58436

Yeah that was a fail on my part. I didn't realize it until I got the bottle. The FDA and other agencies in Australia and I think New Zealand are cracking down on the racetams. Not that they are illegal but that they are prescription only and cannot be sold in the standard market. Fucking government. You can still get racetams and other nootropics from IAS but you will need to order by bank wire.

https://www.antiaging-systems.com/287-smarts


 No.58837

File: 02a34dae328b3d0⋯.jpg (6.59 KB, 225x225, 1:1, 1433060339838.jpg)

tfw anarchotranshumanism was appropriated by commies


 No.58853

File: dba015d387dff8a⋯.png (90.86 KB, 586x616, 293:308, alien_kike.png)

>>58837

Sci-fi is dominated by cynical liberal authors. Faggots like Charles Stross and Peter Watts. Peter Watts is cool, but he'd be even cooler if he was goldpilled.




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 No.58709[Reply]

What the hell is going on? Finland has started up UBI and now Hawaii is thinking of becoming the first state to do so. Does nobody think of the implications anymore, or has it become trendy to be completely clueless to economics?

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 No.58839

UBI is just an undercover implementation of communism.

When the economy goes to shit under the weight of UBI (which is exactly as planned) the state will begin to:

1) confiscate shit in order to desperately get revenue to pay for it (aka abolition of private property).

2) force UBI recipients to work for government under the premise that they are being given money for nothing and they should work their "fair share".

This work will be seen as "volunteer work".

Basically in the end the state controls the means of production, as it has confiscated them with the approval of the growing number of parasites, and makes the parasites work for the state in such confiscated means of production, effectively enslaving them, as the private sector has shrunk considerably or even ceased to exist.


 No.58841

>>58709

UBI is just a code word for government slavery.

Any system where the worker is also the producer is immune to automation.

UBI actually makes automation possible. It will just make everyone a slave to the government as it means that all of their income pass through the government. Meaning if they don't like the government they will be restricted.


 No.58842

>>58841

Where the worker is also the consumer*


 No.58848

>>58806

If by "evil" you mean "financially burdensome," you might have a point. However, giving everyone the financial disincentive for work is far worse than only giving it to a subset of the population (the poor).


 No.58851

File: cc6079d2445e968⋯.jpg (158.11 KB, 600x480, 5:4, Stupid Russian.jpg)

>>58848

>the poor

You mean "poor". The welfare recipients I know had a steady, relatively secure source of income, they never had conflicts with their landlords or insurance companies (which are mandatory in my country) over missed payments, some even got free assistance in raising their kids despite being literal NEETs at past fourty. They will never run at risk of criminal charges for bad bookkeeping, not paying the insurance companies on time or withholding taxes. They only have to fill out some shitty forms, write applications for jobs they'll never get because their language skills are sub par and their work ethic is shit, and put up with harassment and occasional humiliation by officials.

They're not even bottomfeeders in a purely material or financial sense. Even discounting the leisure of the welfare recipients but taking the subventions that students receive into account, the welfare recipients will be financially better off than the students. They get only slightly less money than someone working an entry-level job, they may even get more in absolute terms, and they have far lower expenses. I know former students who are now waiting for a job adequate for their skills to come along, and they are actively punished for not being on welfare, as they have to pay for their insurance as if they had a job.

I know you're not trying to steer up our compassions for the poor welfare whores, but I thought this was a good occasion to drop this. You're cool.




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 No.57260[Reply]

So /liberty/, how do we deal with the Muslim question? It's obvious they will never respect the NAP, is this one of those circumstances where we have to preemptively violate the NAP? Remember, they outnumber us.

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 No.58751

File: 1263b754359bc4f⋯.webm (5.22 MB, 640x360, 16:9, polskie memsy.webm)

>>58180

tfw living in poland ;D


 No.58797

File: 5fc3d6891daad85⋯.png (602.68 KB, 931x875, 133:125, פרוכת-שער-רמא-רחבה_04.png)

>while the younger generation becomes more and more religious and actively deassimilates

why do ppl think that not assimilating is bad? some Jews in Poland were not assimilating etc and even had separate judicial system but they were not problematic because Judaism > Islam


 No.58799

>trying to replace JQ with MQ

Fuck off, kike.


 No.58833

>>58799

go back to pol you fucking nazi


 No.58840

>>58797

Why do you think there were anti-Jewish riots? Nobody trusted them; diversity was a constant source of tension




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 No.58473[Reply]

which sociopoliticoeconomical system has highest social mobility?

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 No.58680

>>58651

they do not have many niggers

only sweden


 No.58683

>>58643

It affects the children.

>if ppl are more equal then i would expect that their mobility is lower

It should be higher. But the question is- why there more mobility? Part of it could be that Scandinavian countries are smaller, so it's inevitable that they have a smaller mix of different people and environments. But even apart from there there is (I think) higher social mobility in Germany and France as well.


 No.58712

>>58680

I mean the us

thats why social mobility there is 'low'

cause they count in subhumans that literally cannot feed themselves, let alone move up the social hierarchy with people 20+ IQ points above them. surprise.


 No.58835

>>58652

in sweden you must have a licence if you want to paint your house


 No.58838

>>58521

The key word is allegedly.

I actually read a decent short essay on this on my plane ride home the other day. Basically, Nordic countries are on the verge of going down the shitter, but living in a largely agricultural society with heavy winters that promotes self-sufficiency/community tends to lead to a better working system of government. Over the last 30 years, Sweden has gone from 87% saying abusing welfare is bad down to only 53%, so clearly there's an issue. Also there's less income inequality, but that's because everyone makes around the same amount, in Nordic countries. Northern Europeans who move to America tend to have much more social mobility and higher standards of living in our (semi) capitalist society compared to their Nordic cousins though, so this suggests a more cultural trend rather than economic one in the case of Sweden/Norway/Finland/etc.




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 No.57894[Reply]

Give it up. There will be no revolution, just a gradual phase out of private ownership of the means of production. Look around you, it's already happened. The capitalism of 1917 was much more free enterprise oriented than the capitalism of 2017. The USA didn't even have a Fed until 1913. The fed has existed for like 4x longer than you have. You can't win.

Do you know what else has happened? Living standards just keep going up.

You cannot stop this secular trend.

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 No.58514

>>58465

Well, now that their experiments have failed, they have fewer opportunities to starve to death, so it kinda makes sense.


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 No.58682

>>57934

>spain in latin america


 No.58763

>>57911

>Our quality of life would be so much higher if we just let people starve or end up homeless

I agree. That's why we should repeal rent control and decriminalize drugs to reduce homelessness, and remove tariffs/taxes on the agricultural industry.


 No.58834

>>57911

> Many people support the welfare state because it can help boost income mobility

how is it supposed to work?




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 No.57513[Reply]

How do we deal with degenerates like Leslee Petersen in the liberty movement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wrwQK6q1g

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>>58749

>they want to give voice to women because vomen are naturally left wing statist

>naturally left wing statist

>naturally


 No.58756

>>58749

I don't know about naturally; it's more a congregation of circumstances. Liberals initially opposed votes for women because women were known to be conservative. If you think about it, true economic leftism is still dominated by men.

What I think has happened is that the number of single women has greatly increased, and single women are willing to support left wing causes because have no fear of high taxes and want better healthcare / access to abortion


 No.58796

>>58753

what do not you understand?


 No.58807

>how do we deal with people I don't like agreeing with us

am I misreading the situation


 No.58832

>>58756

i think that evolutionary psychology proves that women are naturally safety-oriented etc




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