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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

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 No.54576[Reply]

What are some great (right) anarchist channels?

 No.54577

Well there's the Vin Armani Channel who is an agorist. https://www.youtube.com/user/VinArmani/videos




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 No.54419[Reply]

what do you think about anarcho-distributism?

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 No.54548

Is that like mutualism?


 No.54562

>>54548

No mutualism doesn't allow private property, only occupancy and use, in a market. It's closer to the left than distributism.

Distributism is a Catholic originating doctrine which holds private property as sacred, but is opposed to monopoly and wants property as widely spread in society as possible, and states the family and not the individual is the basic unit of society. There's no clear doctrine on whether spreading out private property is just a desired outcome or something to do by force. If the first case, it can just be a voluntary PR group in an anarcho-capitalist society, but if the second case, it would be its own form of anarchism entirely where both the state and BIG business would be considered illegitimate and ripe for expropriatory action. So ancaps wouldn't like that kind of thing. Sort of a third position between ancap and ancom (with mutualism a bit to its left).


 No.54563

>>54562

I'm just guessing what OP means though. Could be trolling.


 No.54575

>>54419

Don't fucking care. If you're against the state and are willing to leave me alone after the fact, try out whatever society you want no matter how stupid it is.




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 No.54550[Reply]

+++ Sweet, sweet lefty asshurt

+ Shitposting goldmine

+ TPP/NAFTA(?) BTFO

+ Made at least some attempt to fulfill a good number of his campaign promises, agree with them or not

- Albeit through executive orders a lot of the time, potentially setting a bad precedent

+ Gorsuch seems bretty okay

+ Regulation rollbacks

+ Guns probably safe for now

+ Pipelines are a go

+ At least proposed a relative tax un-fucking

- Reversing course on NATO

- TFW no market-based health care reform

- Military bullshit, between inflating their budget even further and various strikes

Probably some other shit I can't immediately think of as well.

Overall: C

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 No.54559

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>>54551

Yeah, here's that pic you wanted.

D+, there is a very real chance he could sink to an F with his talk about Syria and NK.


 No.54565

He didn't imprison Hillary and it doesn't appear like he wants to. He's also a flip-flopping bastard and has been throughout his life. And his foreign policy is irreversibly bad. The Russians hate him now, and they will never consider him reasonable anymore, ever again. He fucked up too badly.


 No.54571

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>>54550

>At least proposed a relative tax un-fucking

He proposed it as a formality. He plans to increase spending and print. He's doing the Reagan thing. Unless you haven't noticed by now, he has no clue what to do, so he's following Reagan's example.

>Gorsuch seems bretty okay

Gorsuch's post still existing is not ok. It doesn't matter who occupies it.

> Made at least some attempt to fulfill a good number of his campaign promises, agree with them or not

You can't actually know whether he was really ever trying to.

>TPP/NAFTA(?) BTFO

Yea, no.

>Sweet, sweet lefty asshurt

That's coming to an end soon as NeoCons and Progressives notice he was their guy all along and everyone else lost the 4D chess.

>Shitposting goldmine

Yes, but do we really need shitposting to spill into real life? You're supposed to have some place to get away from it, not drown.


 No.54573

+++ Bolstering right wing populism throught all the west

+++ Threaten the EU and encourage Brexit

+ Kill TTIP

+ Kill MSM's credibility

+ At least tried in the first period to implement his campaign promises

+ No violation of second amendement

+ Steve Bannon in the White House

- Gary Cohn and Dina Powell in the White House

- Didn't send Hillary to prison

- Got cucked out of Gen Flynn

- - - Fucking Jared and Ivanka

- - - McMaster taking the place of Flynn

- - - U turn on NATO

- - - U turn on the fed

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - U turn on Syria and general warmongering


 No.54574

>>54573

That's politics for ya.

I'm honestly hoping Trump will flip flop even more so the bluepilled masses get a clue.




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 No.54289[Reply]

salam aleikum brothers, this is Stifan m'Allahneux, do not forget to respect the NAP, as dictated by the Prophet (PBUH)

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 No.54561

>>54560

If the state exists, welfare is necessary, because there are too many plebs who can't access property locked up in state ownership, and regulated to high prices. This is why conservatives lose every battle. The state ensures itself.


 No.54564

>>54549

Modern "fascists" are just disillusioned libertarians rather than followers of ideas laid down by the actual fascists of yore. It's easy to understand why T would empathise after bashing his head against Libertarian Party retardation for so long.


 No.54566

>>54561

And if welfare exits, strong border control is necessary to stop economic migrants.


 No.54567

>>54566

That's kinda why the state is as it is. Minarchism doesn't work.

We need a way to abolish the state or transcend it with technology.


 No.54568

>>54448

>>54448

may Allah inflict every type of cancer upon this wretched infidel.




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 No.53858[Reply]

I've been thinking about this for a while and it's sort of a question that'd been bugging me for a while. Does it really matter if we have free will or if everything is determined? Does it really have an impact on anything in terms of discussion (in regards to Libertarianism, economics, etc)? If it actually does matter, what side do you anons take?

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 No.54442

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>>54440

>How you feel about it is irrelevant

Now, I am saying that those things you mentioned will lower human productivity and living standards, not that they're "Morally" okay

I don't even believe in actual morals but you wanted to ignore that part of my post either because you're retarded or because you're stubborn. Fuck off, christ.

The meta irony here is that if we image a world where people follow your logic and we find another where people don't, we can see the second word is better. Why? Imagine that people don't let killers go around, giving people a motivation NOT to be a killer, which can change the moves people take because we changed the material conditions.

Now, people just have to make the right moves People just have to hope that the moves we make will lead to a world where people don't follow your retarded philosophy.

Thought of the day: Leibnizian optimism(The idea we are in the best of all possible words) is contradictory.

For where people believe the best of all possible worlds has been created, the best of all possible worlds can not be present, unless the human psyche has changed– For people will inevitably become lazy as they realize that they're in the best of all possible worlds.


 No.54468

How is strong determinism not self defeating?

The intellectual price tag for strong determinism seems to include strong determinism.


 No.54557

>Catalog seems to have reverted a hundred posts

I hope posting in a random thread will fix it

No sage because then that would be missing the point, sorry


 No.54569

>>54468

As Mises points out, both Hard Determinism and Free Will are impossible by human comprehension to prove. You pick a side you like more and stick with it because rational reasoning can not provide an answer, and unless you want to shut your brain off and die, you have to choose one.


 No.54570

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>>54441

The ultimate meaninglessness of existence itself wasn't an issue until I started looking for systematic objective laws for Libertarian Law and Ethics. It was a doomed effort, but still worth a try. At the very least Rothbard and Hoppe's theory has shown that intellectual honesty requires you to accept some axiomatic truths about human social conduct (the right to life). As in, if you want to participate in a system with rules, you have to abide them.

As the concepts of "good" and "evil" are not inherent, arguing in that direction is pointless. Argumentation based on normative claims can not provide objective truth about the world. The most we can do is agree not to pretend we have irrefutable truth.

The issue is how we settle conflict knowing that, besides making sure to avoid it all together. Perhaps "creating" an objective basis to form all our further reasoning (to which both sides agree not to argue against) is the best course of action, as Hoppe does and has long since figured out.




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 No.54364[Reply]

How do I spread /liberty/erian ideology in middle east?

I live in there

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 No.54516

>>54515

In general, that whole autocratic shtick is going to take him places, I believe.


 No.54518

>>54364

Translate works into local languages and distribute them. That is by far the most effective method.


 No.54547

Start by googling Murray Bookchin


 No.54553

>>54515

fuck no, just today wikipedia is banned m8, he's muslim version of stalin.


 No.54554

>>54553

It's about time someone slaughtered that holy cow named wikipedia tbh




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 No.54522[Reply]

Thoughts on the pope?

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 No.54527

>>54522

Could we at least get an archive of the article. I get weary of this stuff as a Catholic but I want to have my facts before I overreact.

>>54526

I'm a Catholic albeit not a very good one so I'll try to explain the best I can. The Pope is acting as a representative of God on Earth so he can establish rules for new things that come up that may concern the church like how would television affect the church. Still, I can't say for sure since it's been a while since I've practiced and I forgot a lot of the rules about the pope I learned in religion class as a kid.


 No.54528

>>54522

A traitor in a top hat.

t. born catholic


 No.54530

>>54522

The current pope or the pope in general?

Pope is supposed to be a first among equals, but not infallible or perfect.

See >>54523


 No.54531

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centesimus_annus

polish pope best pope, he abolished communism


 No.54552

The antipope needs to go. He's been an all around embarrassment to the Catholic church, a small step below covering up priests fucking little boys.

>“Thus, the libertarian individual denies the value of the common good,” the pontiff stated, “because on the one hand he supposes that the very idea of ‘common’ means the constriction of at least some individuals, and on the other hand that the notion of ‘good’ deprives freedom of its essence.”

Cue that Bastiat quote on how socialists claim that everything for the common good must be done through the state and anyone that disagrees is labeled against the idea of the common good, not the implementation.

>According to this mentality, all relationships that create ties must be eliminated, the Pope suggested, “since they would limit freedom.” In this way, only by living independently of others, of the common good, and even God himself, can a person be free, he said.

And now he's just talking out his ass.




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 No.54168[Reply]

Is hugging someone for more than 6 seconds breaking the NAP, if you just went for the hug without explicetly asking for consent?

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 No.54409

Is hugging some stranger you don't know allowed in our contemporary societies?

Yeah, it's a breach of the NAP. You're not allowed to hug someone if you don't know he/she is ok with being hugged.


 No.54465

>>54401

<3

>>54409

but how can you ever be sure if someone is 100% okay with being hugged?


 No.54485

>>54465

>How can you ever be sure if someone is okay with being hugged

They said "yes"

>100% okay

Who cares.


 No.54501

>>54465

If they don't fight back it's 👌🏻


 No.54544

>>54465

There is no 100% okay. There is only okay/not okay, and you can see it by their body signs.




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 No.53588[Reply]

post the rest of pics from this series

 No.53658

bump


 No.54537

bump


 No.54541

dead thread, gg OP


 No.54543

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I've got these.




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 No.53039[Reply]

https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/

im considering sending it to my literature professor- he said that empowered women were dubbed as witches

 No.54115

bump


 No.54133

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>>53039

>im considering sending it to my literature professor- he said that empowered women were dubbed as witches

People make too much of the witch hunts. At most a few hundred-thousand people died in them, within a span of 500 years. Tragedy? Yes. Systematic campaign of eradicating strong, free-thinking wymynz? Hardly.


 No.54536

are professors "cultural marxists" on your universities/academies/colleges too?


 No.54540

>>53039

I don't know if sending an article from some obscure magazine is a good idea. What are her credentials, is she a reputable figure/critic of continental philosophy?




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 No.54542

>>54538

Isn't there a thread about this already? Calm down fuck.


 No.54572

council vatican II




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 No.54199[Reply]

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 No.54512

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>Does Christianity Form Western Morality?

Yes, but Western Morality sometimes reforms christianity.

Check /christian/ for example. They're always crying about how people don't understand THE BOOK– And they're mostly right when reading the verbs (Though they never question why nobody is following them in first place). I'd describe it as a "nobody wins" sort of situation.

Abolish the skavenmoral


 No.54513

>>54223

the concept of mercy is typically a universal trait of all civilizations. The Bible is also highly contradictory, and shouldn't be read from any one point of view.


 No.54519

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>>54199

Actually its Catholicism with its ""syncretism"" of Christian theology and classical philosophy. I don't really give two shits about the wacky bible book but I do give the Catholics great credit for teaching so many pupils about virtue ethics and useful ideas from antiquity.

I will never fucking understand how Aristotle has fallen into public obscurity. He's the real man behind the curtain of Western civilization.


 No.54534

>>54507

yes maybe it gives mental stability, people would be worse off knowing that they should punish their opressors but knowing that they are too weak to do it


 No.54539

>>54519

Plato was better tbh




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 No.54517[Reply]

>10% income tax

>lowest value added tax rates in south america

>dudeweed

 No.54520

How are value added taxes like?


 No.54533

what about settleing in paraguay in group? i would like to have fellow ancaps around, i already know spanish a bit




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