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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.67719[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.103218[Reply]

Hey all,

I have become disillusioned, to the point of either expatriating or pushing for accelerationism (if it was not for the NWO). To start off, the Amash vs RINO confrontations are just retarded. Republicans when they lost would at least pay lip service to being conservatives. Then Trump is being a gun control piece of shit, on top of his other shit, thus giving up on Trump being anything other than a Peronist (hell George Bush was more of a conservative at this point). Then people have the gall to say it is libertarians fault because MU Koch Brothers! Even with their money they have not been that successful. But people go on that libertarians are the problem, although most the "libertarians" are conservatives that have a fetish for big government. Further I get tired of people trying to change this country, this land was made for liberty, and I am tired of everyone trying to homogenize the US to be like everywhere else. Fuck them.

And if I sound like I am just bitching , I am not. I have run for office, held appointed positions, and tried to get others elected, just to get shit on by anti-human and anti-evolutionary apes. I am quite tired of it. Further, people complain that housing and other essentials are going up in price, but see no fucking correlation with QE or that prior to 1970 prices were relatively stable, but them everything went to shit after that, HMMMMM???? (Granted the catch up of the Axis powers did not help, but neither did buying goods without producing anything). Yet you suggest, maybe, just maybe conservatives could have prevented this by pushing harder for the gold standard, but that is like number 99 on their list of things to do. Fucktards.

I am sorry if I sound disgruntled, but on top of my things that I considered "my hobbies" being destroyed by people I hate, but on top of that I expected Republicans to deliver on one thing they were ok on, and they fucked that up. At this point if it all goes to shit both sides deserve it. Boomers bitch about this communist generation, but if they would have insisted on a gold standard, maybe there would not be the income inequality that there is, but they stick their head up their ass like there is no such thing.

 No.103221

> I expected Republicans to deliver on one thing they were ok on

I at least expected them to be able to repeal Obamacare while they still had the majority. Not replace it with some retarded alternative that's just as tainted with cronyism as the previous. Just repeal it.




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 No.103117[Reply]

>hurrr tax is theft

living in a country with taxes is completely voluntary. all you have to do is make your own country just like making a new business in the free market.

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 No.103214

>>103208

>murder is bad because people think so

Actually yes, murder is bad not because any property rights or religious bullshit but because people say so, it's called the Social Contract, the more you know.


 No.103215

>>103134

Libertarians:

>leftists are the losers of history

Also libertarians:

>those evil far-left statist are just bullies, they are so powerful! They control everything!


 No.103216

>>103214

Who are you quoting?


 No.103219

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>>103215

>intelligent sociopaths gain power on the backs of gullible retards

>democracy allows gullible retards to have power


 No.103220

>>103215

>all these strawmen and not a single argument about anything important to be found




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 No.97996[Reply]

Old one is auto-saging. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc., go here. If you have a "what about ____" question you'd like to ask that you're really, really sure will stump everyone this time, do a quick look over this list: (http://archive.is/bbtHt) before you post–chances are, someone has asked that question before, and there's already an answer or answers available to you.

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 No.103209

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>>103204

Ehh, making a nuke isn't hard, even today anyone with an IQ of at least 150 could do it if they are willing to take the risk.


 No.103211

>>103090

Using that logic, some gorillas would have rights as well, seeing as they have IQ comparable to some humans. Instead of reducing things to a strictly material basis, you have to realize that we humans are made in the image of God, and that's what sets us apart from animals.

As for the torturing animals thing, it's a very good sign that someone is going to turn out to be a serial killer. They lack empathy and get a kick out of killing things for no purpose.


 No.103212

>>103211

But if a Gorilla's mental faculties were comparable to a human's wouldn't it be accurate to say that it was made in God's image as well and therefore should have the same rights as humans? If it were just physical appearance it would mean that disfigured people shouldn't be thought of as human.

>it's a very good sign that someone is going to turn out to be a serial killer

That doesn't seem like sufficient justification to punish them for it.


 No.103213

>>103212

It's not just about mental capacity, we are made in God's image as human beings. Gorillas are not human, and are therefore not made in the image of God regardless of intelligence. People with deformities are still human since there's more to being a human than just physical appearance.


 No.103217

>>103213

But how do you know that Gorillas aren't made in God's image?




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 No.103163[Reply]

another proof that women vote for socialists and men vote for right wing

 No.103192

Women are more susceptible to emotional arguments, more at 11


 No.103193

>>103192

this is why it was mistake to grand them voting rights


 No.103197

>>103193

democracy was a mistake in general


 No.103198

>>103197

states were mistakes in general


 No.103210

>>103163

>men vote for what gives men power

>women vote for what gives women power

Welcome to democracy, motherfucker.




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 No.103200[Reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYEUHk16yk4

Hey guys,

So I'm going through this video and trying to cite what hoppe says about nazi germany and while I can find sources to prove what he says about nazi germany I CANNOT find any sources for the quotes he says comes from hitler. Can anyone help me? I assume possibly that he is pulling quotes from hitler which are originally spoken and written in german. If thats the case I'd like to have these exact quotations cited to me so that I can validate them.

 No.103203

>>103200 (OP)

I won't do all the work for you nigger. give me the specific things you want and I'll try to find them in german, if it's about stuff hitler said, try looking in "hitler's table talk"

>https://archive.org/stream/HitlerTableTalk/Hitler%20TableTalk_djvu.txt


 No.103205

>>103203

Obviously I'm not expecting you to find and prove every quote that is said in the speech, that would be just ridiculous. But if I could be given some sort of archive of things hitler said or wrote that would be nice. Now originally the whole reason I started watching this video was to learn if hitler's economy is TRULY socialist or not. There are quotes that are said in this speech such as hitler more or less basically saying he will centrally plan the economy. If you by the off chance knew any of these quotes off the top of your head (or really any proof to give me that his economy is basically socialist) I would appreciate it if you shared them with me.

Now right now im tired and when I wake up I'll go back through the video again and ask you precisely which of these quotes I'm looking for.

Thanks.


 No.103207

>>103205

it depends on what you mean by socialism, in the austro-libertarian sense his economic policy was socialist or centrally planned, others would just simply call keynesian. since I can't be bothered to go through everything myself I'll just link you a mises wire article that explores this topic and provides sources and one written by lew rockwell.

>https://mises.org/library/nazi-economic-policy

>https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/08/lew-rockwell/hitler-was-a-keynesian/




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 No.103169[Reply]

Considering the number of replies to >>100308 , even when it's buried deep in another thread, I feel like it deserves to be its own post. Are libertarians just getting burnt out from arguing with everyone since the dawn of the internet? How many of you would describe yourselves as having turned into lurkers? What would you suggest to do?

 No.103196

>>103169

Yes, I became a lurker, but I also became a libertarian thanks to the guys who were willing to make long posts about why I was wrong when I was a statist.

These days I focus on making memes that I can repost, since it takes about as much time to make propaganda as it is to make long posts, except this way we can just copy-paste it instead of typing the same shit out all the time.




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 No.103165[Reply]

is muslim banking better than our current system if it has no fractional reserve?

 No.103166

>>103165

>Is muslim banking better than jew banking?

European banking was eliminated quite some time ago, and was far better than either of the semitic banks.


 No.103175

>>103166

tell me more about "european banking"


 No.103176

>>103175

""""""""""""""I am genuinely curious about what you mean by this.""""""""""""""


 No.103195

>>103166

are jewish usurers part of european banking? because they were part of europe from the begining

just see "the merchant of venice"




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 No.103137[Reply]

Semi-/liberty/ related:

Can anyone post that "meme" (for lack of a better word) where it makes fun of how Neo-Nazis tried to argue that Hitler "tried" to make "peace" with Britain, despite the Third Reich repeatedly betraying promises and diplomatic agreements, and the last panel of the comic has Hitler reeee-ing about "HURR DURR CHURCHILL LET COMMUNISM RISE IN EUROPE REEEEEEE"?

I need it so I can post it to "BTFO" nazi-fags.

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 No.103181

>>103137

>preserve the white race by making enemies

Preserving it by miscegenation works better, right

>Muslims hate the Jews

Muslims deal with Jews in the Middle East, we deal with them here. Much 'cleaner' and involves less grooming gangs / terror attacks

>Let the Jews live in Israel

Why not lol

>Karl Marx knows his shit

Genetic fallacy.

>If we let them take our guns

Said no NEETsucc

>Socialism is great when it's national

Problem classcuck?


 No.103182

>>103137

>Britcucks roam round the world conquering random Africans and forcing them to be 'British subjects'

>still has the nerve to complain about Germany 'conquering' German lands to create a united republic


 No.103184

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The most crystal clear evidence of Hitler lying was his speech on the Sudetenland question in September 26, 1938, in which he claims the lands in question were Germany's very last territorial claim:

http://www.greatspeeches.net/2013/05/adolf-hitler-no-more-territorial-demands.html

http://comicism.tripod.com/380926.html

>This is the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe, but it is a demand on which I will not yield.

>if this problem is solved, there will be no further territorial problems in Europe for Germany.

Another questionable statement made in the same speech was:

>What happened then, you know. The infamous international world set at Germany. Germany had: not called upon one man. It never thought of solving this problem militarily.

The Wehrmacht very much did draft plans for a military invasion (Fall Grün) and there are plenty of reasons to believe Hitler was willing to set this plan in motion if no diplomatic solution was achieved.

His main statement of Germany's total absence of any territorial claims post-Munich was repeatedly proved a lie in the coming year.

The most obvious violation was, of course, Danzig. In 1938 Germany had no more territorial problems. In 1939 it somehow got a new one. In 1938 Germany had no more territorial demands. In 1939 it somehow had new ones to make. But Hitler didn't lie, no, he never lied at all. NEETsocs will likely respond that what was being asked was a plebiscite, that it had to be done urgently because of brutal ethnic opression of Volksdeutsche [insert pictures of a massacre that took place after the German invasion] and so on.

Another violation was in March 1939, when hyperpacifistic Germany with no expansionistic intentions whatsoever occupied the remainder of Bohemia and Moravia and made it into a puppet state. Though Hitler described the new protectorate as hisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.103185

It gets worse. Their conversation led to a treaty formally ceding Memel to Germany. The treaty's fifth article states:

>Article IV: In order to strengthen their decision and to safeguard the friendly development of relations between Germany and Lithuania, both sides assume the obligation neither to proceed against the other by force nor to support an attack from a third side against one of the two sides.

"nor to support an attack from a third side against one of the two sides". Hmm. As you may remember, something unpleasant happened to Lithuania in 1940. What did Germany think of that? Well, we have written evidence of Berlin's position:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/German-Soviet_Boundary_and_Friendship_Treaty_28_September_1939#Secret_Supplementary_Protocol

>The Secret Supplementary Protocol signed on August 23,1939, shall be amended in item to the effect that the territory of the Lithuanian State falls to the sphere of influence of the U.S.S.R.

>As soon as the Government of the U.S.S.R. shall take special measures on Lithuanian territory to protect its interests, the present German-Lithuanian border, for the purpose of a natural and simple boundary delineation, shall be rectified in such a way that the Lithuanian territory situated to the southwest of the line marked on the attached map should fall to Germany.

So Germany promised by treaty that it would never support any move on Lithuania's sovereignty and then, again by treaty, broke this promise just a few months later by giving Stalin a free hand to """"""take special measures on Lithuanian territory to protect its interests"""""". NEETsocs will reply something on the line that Germany did not militarily support the occupation of the Baltics and therefore the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty never at any moment contradicted the Lithuania-Germany Treaty. Ah, technicalities.

The text of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, particularly Article II of its Secret Protocol, may also be of interest:

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 No.102827[Reply]

So far in the #YouTubePurge;

Banned-

YouKipper

The Great Order

Varg

Demonetised-

Martin Sellner

James Allsup

Steven Crowder

Red Ice TV

SinatraSays

Videos deleted-

Angelo John Gage

Gavin McInnes

Milo

Red Ice TV

Black Pigeon Speaks

Drunken Peasants

Press For Truth

J.F Gariepy

And many more

-

Libertarians support 1984, as long as it is 1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods. They can't be taken seriously as they have no genuine interest in *positive freedom*, ie real freedom.

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 No.103180

>>103038

> "online services can and will be replaced if consumers are no longer satisfied by them."

No, the argument is if corporations don't permit free speech they are replaced. Citing examples of companies being replaced is not evidence of this, unless they are replaced for that specific reason.


 No.103186

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>>103180

>Unless you can prove that the replacement and competition process for censorship is qualitatively different from the replacement process for every other kind of dissatisfaction, it's a meaningless distinction to be make.


 No.103187

>>103179

Wish that was true


 No.103188

You are free to use other video sharing websites. What allows people's rights to be trampled is monolithic corporate monopolies. No monopoly, no problem. Never let corporations grow too large.


 No.103191

>>103188

This. And they can never grow that large without the state to protect them.




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 No.103133[Reply]

Will the U.S. ever declare its independence from Israel?

 No.103135

No. The US is doomed. It definitely won't exist in a century. Either another dark age is coming or (((they))) will move their fiscal power base to a more openly authoritarian country, leaving America to fracture and dissolve as the rotten structure collapses.


 No.103153

Best thing is to move off the grid like Uncle Ted did


 No.103190

America might die but liberty will never die. It's like a phoenix or a brainless zombie, the human soul intrinsically yearns for freedom from corrupted authority. No matter how you trample it under foot, it will rise again.




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 No.103156[Reply]

Thoughts?

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 No.103171

That's democracy, OP, not capitalism.


 No.103173

>>103167

OP is a rentier, not a welfare queen not a NEET leech.


 No.103177

>>103156

Fagbook libertarian niggers who start threads with "thoughts?" Instead of stating their opinions or admitting they support the thing they posted deserve the rope. That's my thoughts.


 No.103183

>>103177

Why would you say that? I am genuinely curious. :^)

Fuck the phrase "I am genuinely curious"/"I am curious." If you really were curious, you wouldn't need to declare it.


 No.103189

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 No.103109[Reply]

Let's talk about Kowloon. Was Kowloon ancap?

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 No.103124

>run by gangs

>ancap

what


 No.103128

>>103124

That was in the 70s and early 80s, after then the gangs hung out there, but it wasn't really 'run by gangs.'


 No.103132

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>>103128

I'm just going by the video


 No.103161

>>103124

Do you know what private contractors and private defense agencies are fag?


 No.103172

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 No.102648[Reply]

Most libertarians and minarchists refuse to acknowledge healthcare as a service that should be provided by the goverment (nothing wrong with that), while, simultaneously use a wishy washy logic to, through massive amounts of cognitive disonance, say that the local goverment should provide a firefighter service funded by everyone.

Don't get me wrong, it makes sense that minarchists defend a vigilante government that provides police, free courthouses and a small body of soldiers to defend and ONLY defend the country (no foreign intervention allowed) as law, order and stability are public goods, however, I don't see how firefighters are one.

>fire spreads

So do germs and disease, that does not mean that healthcare is a right and that I should fund firefighters to protect you, your property and your business.

>firefighters allow me to defend my property, my bodily autonomy and mantain it at its fullest

So do most welfare programs, but you are a libertarian, not a social democrat, be coherent.

>firefighters are more efficient when they a provided by the government

We are talking about liberty and freedom, not efficiency, that's not libertarianism, that's utilitarianism.

Charity, Pharma research, banking, academia funding and healthcare are also more efficiently provided by the government (or that's what utilitarians say), but that's not an argument against freedom.

Utilitarianism is fucking intellectual cancer.

If you unironically think that efficiency justifies it you are a social democrat that believes in trickle-down economics, not a libertarian

Read Ayn Rand "the Virtue of Egoism": Libertarian ethics are based upon ethical egoism, rationalism and hedonism instead of upon utilitarianism or empirism, other people's happiness are nothing of your concern, and according to our concept of Free Will and human rationality, it is better for them to be like so.

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 No.103150

>>103148

>1) Fires are natural disasters. Getting sick is not.

Stopped reading there.

Nice blattant contradiction. How are diseases any less natural that fires?

95% of fires are man-caused and almost 100% of the casualties are caused indirectly by human beings.

You are a Christian, so I don't really have any hope in your intelligence to start with.


 No.103151

>>103107

GTFO utilitarianist.


 No.103152

>>103148

>Fires are natural disasters. Getting sick is not.

BTW, what the fuck has to do nature with freedom to start with?

Aggresion, murder, rape and theft are natural, but we still oppose those concepts.

Nice Naturalistic Falacy deranged Christcuck.


 No.103154

>>103152

>>103150

Nice lack of reading comprehension. Diseases are natural but not "natural disasters" (unless they are pandemics).


 No.103162

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>>103150

>>103152

Niggers tongue your anus. See >>103154 faggot.




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