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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

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1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
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American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
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YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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Yeah, sunglasses, and maybe also the white gloves, they'd go with everything. I prefer blondes though, maybe a richer, golden shade, to set her apart from Grace.


You aren't on leftypol, stop projecting your gayass fetishes.

>I wonder what's worse, anime faggot posters or cancerous normalfags. That's not a rhetorical question, I'm actually at a loss for categorization. They're both dumb, they're both obnoxious and they both seek to create a nest for other similarly retarded people.

No one gives a fuck about the elitist ravings of some depressed asshole. We must spread our message through all avenues available to us, especially with meme pictures and children's cartoons to target these teenagers who are young and impressionable.



>I prefer blondes though

Can't say I disagree, blondes are great, and a richer shade may be enough to distinguish. I am partial to curls though, any thoughts on that?


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I present to you the AnCat.


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Also AnCat Summer Car Edition.



>I am partial to curls though, any thoughts on that?

Long, broad curls? Yeah, they can be quite sexy. Jewfro-tier curls though…



Wow, did you draw her? I appreciate the effort, but the only thing I could criticize is making her a cat girl, which is reacting to commies and their mascot, and also:

>short hair like a tranny

Would it be against the rules to have two board mascots? Maybe she can be the main mascot's pet or something. A genetically engineered catgirl for love and profit.

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Sometimes I wonder whether it would be a good idea to go onto commie forums, pretend I was communist, but then troll them by attacking the in-group by saying that they are not communist enough. Just try to get ideological opponents to falter by making them accelerate to the most extreme possible opinions possible. Just destroy any modicum of moderate political opinions that the left have.

I kind of feel like this has already been going on without my doing anything anyways.


that's the exact same thing trannies are doing on /pol/



Are you a kike? We need guys like you on our side!!! If I were you, I'd redirect my attention to /pol/, where the ground is more fertile for our seeds of evil to be planted. It's much harder to attack commie forums, because that would be like attacking a mental hospital, although if you're autistic enough to do something like that, then godspeed, anon!

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>Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, Galicia, Austria-Hungary (Ukrainian : Lviv, now Ukraine).

Should this concern me?

Do I have any guarantee that he was not informed by malicious talmudism, given that he was probably exposed to it? Everything he wrote certainly seems to counter it.

>You're just a /pol/ anti-semite

The NWO is overwhelmingly Jewish. The Frankfurt school is the Genesis of our present statist situation. Obviously you're not a member of the NWO by virtue of being born a heeb

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I agree with everything you said.

The issue is /pol/ wants to blame Jews for white failures, which is a pathological attitude.



What happened to his political beliefs?



Jews intermarry at 70 percent in America. THis notion about them being ethnocentric is pure fiction, its a stereotype thats it.


I just finished reading A Short History of Man: Progress and Decline by Hoppe. Substitute the word “intellectual” for “jew” and the whole book makes just as much sense, if not more.

Even then, without the state, the jews couldn’t get away with their tricks. The fools who fall for them wouldn’t get bailed out and public schools wouldn’t educate another generation of zogbots.


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>70 percent

>pure fiction

Are you just avin a giggle at our expense?

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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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My fiance is 100% behind me, the NAP, and the 14 words


Fools errand



My theory is that in addition to her being more emotionally receptive, it is also YOU who feels a boost in confidence after sex, so you automatically frame everything you talk about in a way that makes it seem so obvious that it's impossible for it to be wrong. Like, if you normally argue about taxes, you might get all defensive and try to explain how they fuck up society, whereas after boost in confidence after sex, you just laugh and tell her to have fun being robbed. Your thoughts literally create her reality depending on how strongly you believe what you're saying.

>I've even joked to her that I'm spreading AnCap with hot dickings. Gets one of those "that was funny but I don't want to condone it by laughing" smile-glares, which is the best.

As fun as that it is, doing that is very counter-productive because women hate losing, and they hate it being rubbed in their face (not the d as in "dick", but the d as in "defeat"). It makes it harder for them next time to admit that you're right and that they're wrong.


is it easier to make leftist or rightist gf an ancap?



Leftist since they're more easily manipulated, but that's like saying boiling water approaches freezing temperature faster than cold water.



>Leftist since they're more easily manipulated

Yes, but you have to think about the source of the manipulation. Leftist women might be easier to mold, but you have a lot of competition from the media, her degenerate friends, her professors (if she's in university) and her presumably leftist family. And it doesn't necessarily follow that a right-wing woman is "strong willed," it could just be she learned to listen to her father instead of media, in which case your job is made significantly easier.

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Are major corporations really private businesses? E.g., is it more accurate to consider Google to be a private corporation, or just another agency of the U.S. federal government–with some PR dressing to make it seem like they aren't? Does the U.S. federal government use the FBI and it's impossible-to-comply legal code to essentially blackball any remotely useful private agency to become another wing of the U.S. federal government?

Does private business even exist in the U.S. anymore, aside from maybe some plumbers in the Midwest?



A business that would not be solvent without any form government assistance or is a major accomplice in the government’s crimes, willing or not, can be considered an extension of the state. For example, most every social media company complies with the government when asked, therefore they are all branches of the government.

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I was a libertarian from the time I discovered rom paul in 2004. I was 14, and hated bush and hated republicans. Then when i around 25 an i started to think about the media and trump and seeing how badly they lied. I then realized this was because all the media companies are owned by seven companies. Including many of your “local news” Broadcast, they are all owned by a small group of people. Then I realize that i as a libertarian could not make a argument for regulating the media, or banks, or anything really. Thats when started down the path of republicanism. I know the party is garbage, but the founding ideas are better then libertarianism.

This thread is for libertarians who became republicans to discuss. or for libertarians to tell me why im wrong. Cuz ive been having a faith crisis of sorts.

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>Also you cannot compete with ANY loan as a individual.

What is crowd funding?



The wishing well unstable or unfounded solutions libertarians give as overly simplistic cure alls is annoying. You guys have a lot in common with communists in your ability to do mental gymnastics to justify a opinion, be it Diseconomies to crowd funding.

>Why crowd funding wouldn’t work.

No one person has gotten the capital form croud funding to be a legitimate threat to (insert top seven media company) ever. It has never happened. Also the social issues in crowd funding. If they’re funding it the companies success is souly depndent of keeping 10s of thousands of people appeased. Which will likely lead to very schizophrenic programming the in turn makes no one happy. Also this would require such a large investment that it requires many assumptions on your part. Regarding how people would act, and stick around for such a company. Also its flawed in that, if the people funding this don’t see a return on there investment the whole thing becomes unsustainable. Meaning that one person whould have a limit to HOW MUCH they could fund and support. So you’re essentially requiring that each funder become a part time media manager, or create a power structer to manage it to ensure a return. At which point were exactly where we started and instead of seven companies you have eight. An you likely will only ever have eight because the people funding it are not going to fund competition. AND THATS A IDEAL OUTCOME. What would likely happen is you would fund it. Not get it off the ground, due to lack of funding, and then cry.

Or you have something like a credit union where the people fund it indirectly threw a credit union. At which point you have all the same complications that you had with a bank, on top of now having to create a mida company that can make a return on the credit unions investment. Not to mention this would require the existence OF a credit union which also creates a entirely new host of problems introdued into your society assuming you don’t regulate them.


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>crowd funding doesn't wo-


You also over think everything. You don't need an army of journalists or camera crews. Look at Breitbart its alternative media that's relatively popular. You also just dismiss everything as autistic while not even wanting to read a book on the subject.


Why are cumskins such boot lickers? If they goverment tell them to hate their race they go ahead and do it. It's unbeliavable. Bear with me

>be white

>watch tv

>see (((white))) saying whites are bad

>now I hate whites

How the fuck they haven't self destructed yet? bloody hell the jews where right, slaves in human skin

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The liberty-promoting zone at the center of the pixel canvas was completely tarnished by COMMIES. Commies organize using discord, and can't keep to themselves. Are you going to let them shit on us?

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>Are you going to let them shit on us?



The majority of us actually work and have lives.


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Oh wow, how very revolutionary. It shows just what BS commies get up to really, doesn't it?


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This. Honestly if I was a younger man and had more time for shitposting I would be down for the gayest ops but I barely find enough time to spend on this site as is. Besides don't they have bots for that site now?



This honestly. I have limited time for shitposting, let alone operations.

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Is UBI (universal basic income) as bad as everyone makes it out to be?

Studies show it would grow the US economy by 2.5 trillion

It would do that in many ways. Corporations just keep lots of money sitting around. If that wealth could be taxed or distributed to people who weren't as rich like the working class. When the working class or the middle class get the money they would actually spend the money creating economic growth. They spend money in lots of sectors creating jobs, put more money into circulation, etc. UBI would also increase the overall happiness of the country.

So how would UBI be bad if it was distributed to the working and middle classes?

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Wasn't it Rothbard or Friedman that introduced the concept of the negative income tax as a version of UBI. Not trying to dismiss your claims I just want to learn more.



I believe Friedman was one of the first to propose it, yes. But, while Friedman is mostly a free-market economist, and while he is an advocate for small-'l' liberty, ideologically speaking he isn't a libertarian–he doesn't share much intellectual ancestry with Mises, Rothbard, or Hayek. He reaches similar conclusions to them, but from a very different direction, coming from the Chicago school of economic thought, which emphasizes empirical data and quantitative explanation. The Austrians in contrast use a priori reasoning to reach their conclusions.



>Point to where I said "cease all economic activity


It's even sentence one. Might not have been you, it IS the direct chain AND THE FUCKING TOPIC OF THAT SUBTHREAD, so quit posting in shit you don't read.

In case you're retarded : what KIND of dollar they are trading for is completely fucking irrelevant, honestly. As such - yup, "you" claimed they would cease all economic activity.

> it is…impossible to read

Nor…mally, I would say "that's your problem right there," possibly coupling this with the retardation which gives rise to those five words.

In this case, "you" typed that shit. So I'm presuming the retardation only goes into the processes which make you think dishonesty is a functional form of bet.

>And for several hundred years at least economic systems have repeatedly collapsed

Well! Congrats on accidentally, but successfully positing that ancap land enclosure is in fact absolute economic phail.

You'll probably have a bitch-fit that you said that while you're instead trying to spam "passable" reply, but amusingly, rent versus production IS actually economics 101 - and the entire topic of Bastiat's broken windows, which is the argument that commented on your otherwise-fascinating npcredistributionspam.txt synthesis.

Have a nice day!



>It's even sentence one.


"Then let me spell it out for you, doublenigger: If Bob knows the dollar will be stolen as soon as he receives it he's not going to bother trying to earn it."

Nowhere does this imply all economic activity - just activities involving that one transactor (you).

>Congrats on accidentally, but successfully positing that ancap land enclosure is in fact absolute economic phail.

Where is land enclsoure even mentioned in this thread?



Appreciate the white-knighting, fam, but don't give the sperg (you)s. The fewer responses he gets the faster he'll get bored.

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Why are wages rising with productivity?

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>See the sticky?

>it doesn't mean shit.

hippity hoppity get off the damn property.

<soviet helicopter sounds intensify



It's the specific fact that he says "regulatory capture is a function of capitalism," which shows to be a communist. Communists are generally union shills. There are a few leaps in logic but it's a fair criticism.



I think you're the one who can't read the sticky. It clearly states that although you won't be banned, you shouldn't be surprised when no one takes you seriously. He isn't taking you seriously, furthermore he wants you to stop breathing. I also want socialists to die, for the record.



>a few leaps in logic.



>Meanwhile, since it's an ancap defense company, usually with actual enforced monopoly power

Enforced by whom? Do you realize that ancap defense firms operate in a market?

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Old one is auto-saging. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc., go here. If you have a "what about ____" question you'd like to ask that you're really, really sure will stump everyone this time, do a quick look over this list: (http://archive.is/bbtHt) before you post–chances are, someone has asked that question before, and there's already an answer or answers available to you.

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>Isn't there a statute of limitations on such a circumstance?

Why would there be? Theft doesn't stop being theft with the passage of time. There is a practical statute of limitations in that the more time passes, the more difficult it is to prove that a theft occurred, and it is also more difficult to prove that if a threat occurred, you are in fact the rightful owner.

>Transferring organs is a time sensitive matter and such a policy would discourage the use of available organs by the hospitals, meaning more deaths.

Keep in mind we're talking about a very niche, very uncommon occurrence–someone dies, can't be identified, is used for organ transplant, and is then positively identified only after the transplant is finalized. It's a very unusual circumstance, and I doubt it would happen often enough to substantially affect hospital policy. And even in those rare cases where it does happen, it doesn't discourage the use of those organs, it just induces a hospital to pay for something that they received for free. As they probably pay for a good chunk of their organs already (since organ market is a thing in ancapistan), it would fit into the existing policy rather seamlessly.


Is bitcoin cash superior to bitcoin?



I'm not a yuge cryptofag, but I believe the only technical difference between the two is that Bitcoin Cash was designed to hold a larger number of transactions in its ledger. Which one is "superior" will depend on what you actually want to use crypto for.


One of the most common arguments I hear against free market capitalism is: what about consumerism? how do you usually respond?1


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Consumerism is a product of fetishizing consumption and "demand-side" economics. The man responsible for these ideas dominating policy isn't an Austrian school, Chicago school, or any other free-market economist, but everyone's favorite interventionist: John Maynard Keynes. Free-market economists like the Austrians in fact promote the opposite of consumerism by stressing the importance of saving for economic growth, spurring on investment, and emphasizing the benefits of maintaining a low time-preference. Hell, if you want further proof of this, just look at the most negative stereotypes of "bad" capitalists out there–characters like Ebenezer Scrooge aren't depicted as being conspicuous consumers, they're depicted as being miserly, compulsive savers.

Really, consumerism is fundamentally a socialist trait; the green-eyed socialists are the ones who are always concerned with what material goods they have compared to others, how is it they transfer a greater quantity of consumerist goods to the largest number of people through food stamps and similar programs, how can they induce men to buy more consumerist goods through giving them makework jobs.

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Should we be worried?

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lol Im already seeing white women and black women argue with each other over it to. The thing about intersectionalism is that it doesnt just stop with straight white males, it just moves down the line to the next oppressor.


I would be delighted to see a Bernie presidency for the secessionist movement that would rise afterwards



>brown lady

They actually think Warren is native american still?

Regarding Bernie. I don't think he'll be able to affect that much. He's old and might go senile or die when campaigning or as president.



Think the original poster meant Kemala Harris.


>should we be worried?

Are you kidding? The one regret I had in the 2016 election is that I never got to see Trump trigger Bernie into a heart attack on the debate stage. So far, that senile socialist dinosaur is the sanest one to throw his hat in the ring for 2020, and I really hope it stays that way.


No you should sit on chan all day

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How would a society without a state and no limits on "personal freedom" not degrade into a degenerate multiculti Globohomo society? How would it last with no restrictions on trade? There would be deficits the economy would shit itself. You cannot privatize borders anyone would be free to wonder in. Society would lose all its values and no one would create children anymore and the society would ultimately die.

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don't get sucked into commie propaganda anon.

it's good to exercise yourself with a thought, but it's all commie trash.



If they're not sucking up your money through welfare, or changing the political landscape through voting (neither exists in AnCapistan), then what are you worried about? Crime? Everybody can have a gun in AnCapistan. Criminals get quickly ventilated in such a scenario. Shitting up public spaces? Everything in AnCapistan is privately owned, and they can be kicked out. Degeneracy? Kick them out of your community. Disease? Don't let them in in the first place.

Cultures naturally self-segregate. The state interferes with this by taking away the private person's right to defend is property, and forcing places of commerce to be unnaturally inclusive.


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wat me then



you havent taken the red pill yet fren


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You are clearly much too smart for this board. Only reddit has the capacity to withstand your massive brain.

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