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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

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 No.37925[Reply]

I was browsing the site about building the enterprise and wondering what happened with it.

While looking through the forum on there, I found the members who were last active had come up with a curious idea.

Someone made a thread suggesting they'd make a company to get funding for the project.

One of the replies mentioned forming an employee owned organization.

They specificly mentioned they needed hierarchy while stating that authoritarian government was not the way.

So what does /liberty/ think of this idea? Would it work to have an employee owned non profit organization with the goal of building a large structure for improving life for the participants?

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 No.45642

Sounds like a co-op. Sure I guess, though the technology is limited to build a warp drive.


 No.45671

i want natural selection aka free market to decide


 No.45677

>>37925

>So what does /liberty/ think of this idea? Would it work to have an employee owned non profit organization with the goal of building a large structure for improving life for the participants?

Employee-owned companies have lots of positives, but also lots of negatives. Eventually you'll end up with a pseudo-corporate-hierarchy if your business model is to succeed. You might "vote" on your GMs and CEOs, but you'll still have something resembling a GM/CEO. All successful employee-owned businesses that I know of with more than 300 employees rely on a Republic-like system in which base employees vote on managers, managers vote on DMs, etc., or a two-tiered system in which stockholders are in charge of the CEOs, but maybe 1/3rd of stock is reserved for employees of the company.


 No.45682

>>37940

It's a shitty design for an ocean going vessel.

Hell, it's a shitty design for a space going vessel it's from fucking 60's TV set design, what were you expecting?

Either way it will never work.

>>37965

The Fuggerei in Augsburg still operates like this today.


 No.45686

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>>37940

An MC80 MonCal Star Destroyer Battle Cruiser would be a more efficient floating structure tbh fam. :^)




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 No.44096[Reply]

Liberty this is a call from the Left.

You surely must know that /pol/ack white nationalism is just as sour and misleading identity politics as the SJW.

The enemy is the state, the goal is liberty. With their white nationalism they will give greater power to the surveillance state, to the wars in the middle east, Latin America, whereever, to the funnelling of peoples work into their own selfish ends through the brutal mechanism of the state.

Left or right, authoritarians must say good night

Please tell me you haven't bought the white nationalist meme

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 No.45618

>>44534

>They're also amoral, dishonest, opportunistic vermin.

That's called freedom.


 No.45673

>>45570

not every leftist is a collectivist cf. individualist anarchism


 No.45676

Stop coming over here and treating this place like it's a personal colony for you, /leftyscum/.


 No.45683

>>45673

Individualist anarchists are hardly leftist.


 No.45685

>>45673

Yeah, individualist anarchists are pretty central. They don't really give a shit about left-right dichotomy.

A better example would be technocrats or certain varieties of left-libertarians.




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 No.45684[Reply]

>mfw leftists ask me to ignore the last eight years of bombing hospitals and regulating religion in order to help them combat Trump

>mfw Trumpfags ask me to ignore the massive human rights violations they plan to commit in the name of "stopping the left"

Remember /liberty/, coalition-building just gets you stabbed in the back. Now is the time to invade enemy turf while they're still consolidating power.



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 No.45391[Reply]

Let's consider the following:

1.-There is a natural supply of land, expressed by the materialist fact of land existing

2.-There is a natural demand for land, expressed by the materialist fact of humans being able to use land to satisfy their basic needs

Therefore, why should a state, either private or public, defend property rights? Reminder doing such thing means it is acting against the natural order of the market

How then could you justify theft in the form of private property?

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 No.45648

>>45626

> All land is unowned if we disregard the state

No, it wouldn't be unowned. It would just be maintained by other forces, ie: people who don't want you on that land or private security companies.

>You can still imagine its yours, but why should you prevent its usage, using force, when you are not using it?

Because it's mine? That's like saying, you left your house but why won't you let anyone else use it? It's my possession, I live in it and to ignore that and try to take it from me is put simply, theft and is why many people think a state is a reasonable entity as they see it as an institution that protects property when in reality it violates them.

>Anarcho caps are closeted fascists, the only ones who really trust the market is us market anarchists

Oh, yeah. I forgot.

> That property rights are against the logic of the market

Once again, you're not making any sense.


 No.45650

>>45626

>the logic of the market

nice spooks


 No.45651

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>>45624

>If ownership is mantained by the state, but the state is legal fiction, Do I really own it?

>Creating a peaceful contract with a rich man to build a mall = violence

>the existence of the state is violent


 No.45652

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>>45650

>logic is a spook

>mathematics is logic

>mathematics is a spook


 No.45681

>>45585

>So taxation is justified?

no




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 No.44990[Reply]

how to redpill my family? my stepfather was fighting against milicja obywatelska when poland was communistic and he thinks he is anarchistic but he is a normie watching popular tv channels and voting popular politicians. he is brainwashed by political correctness i think and it would be hard to redpill him but how to do it? my mother is a female obviously so there is little hope for her :(

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 No.45353

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 No.45354

Can we please ban this nigger?

>>45353


 No.45359

>>45354

u mad?


 No.45535

>>45359

mode why did you delete this you fucking nazi scum?


 No.45680

bump




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 No.45390[Reply]

>more and more usa soldiers in poland

>putin is scared

will i have a war in my home country? when?

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 No.45546

How people manage to pretend that the United States is not the aggressor in this? The United States has bases on border of China and Russia,, Russia and China don't even have bases in the Western Hemisphere. The United States spends more money than both of them combines.


 No.45552

>>45546

>How people manage to pretend that the United States is not the aggressor in this?

Because they're not, you dingbat. It's a tripwire force in case Russia decides to keep seizing its old USSR territories. America has never made a push into Russia proper, at worst they've tried to keep those animals corraled.


 No.45672

>>45459

That seems highly unlikely to me but so be it.


 No.45675

>>45552

>It's a tripwire force in case Russia decides to keep seizing its old USSR territories

The Cold War ended half a century ago,


 No.45678

I wouldn't be worried, OP. You're more likely to see a massive war in Asia, with only bits of it leaking into Europe.




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 No.44277[Reply]

what are anti gun/drone/whatever control arguments?

i have few

>illegal gun/drone posession victimless crime

>we have already laws forbiding assault

>everything can be a weapon so why not banning a pencil- it can be used to stab

i need verbal arguments- neither graphs nor statistics

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 No.45296

>>45271

If the neighborhood kids see you buck naked because your blinds and curtains are wide open, do you have the right to shoot them?

Context is important. In most situations when drones were abused like this, people weren't taking proper privacy measures to ensure reasonable suspicion that someone was violating their property rights to obtain those pictures/videos.

It's like someone taking pictures of girls' panties/cooters when they wear short skirts out in public and sit with their legs wide-spread. It's fucked up, but the picture-taker is not in the wrong legally/according to the NAP.


 No.45335

>>44277

i dunno, try asking these geniuses:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool


 No.45534

bump


 No.45674

bump


 No.45679

>>45674

>>45534

Have you tried asking other boards?




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 No.45645[Reply]

What are we going to do about Islamic culture? Just about every other culture is coming around to our way of thinking.

 No.45646

Defend against their incursions against our ways of life, but otherwise let them be.

You can't force freedom on people. If they want to live like the crusades never ended, then let them. That doesn't mean that they can come where we live and try to force their backwards thinking on us, but so long as they don't fuck around with my liberties I could give a shit less where they move or what they do.

They'll eventually figure out (on their own schedule) that having personal freedom is a lot better than having some dictator behead you because god told them to, and they'll modernize.


 No.45649

The libertarian way of thinking is the Non-Aggression Principle. It has nothing to do with culture. It has to do with politics.

Even if the Islamic culture is unchanged, Muslims can be brought around to the libertarian way of thinking if they can be shown that they ought to be enemies of the State.

This would seem to be made easier by their religion, not harder. The American government has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and is always trying to kill more.

Recently they've been trying to Ban All Muslims and put police officers outside mosques


 No.45670

sometimes i hate humanity and normies so much that i want shariah and stoning sluts and hanging alcohol drinkers




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 No.45607[Reply]

>"Without welfare who's gonna feed my ten kids, you some kind a racist?"

 No.45609

The free market will kill it


 No.45635

File: 20b2ed9329900f3⋯.jpg (32.79 KB, 700x357, 100:51, police brutaility.jpg)

>"Why don't you call a methhead to protect your rights if you don't want the police, dumb citizen?"


 No.45662

>>45635

>tfw I actually have called (out to) a meth head before and they actually did help me beat the shit out of someone who was gonna mug me


 No.45664

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>>45662

Meth heads are an interesting phenomenon, that's for sure…


 No.45669

AAAAAAAAAA FYUCKING NIGGERS




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 No.45575[Reply]

Maybe government regulation would work if we didn't put the foxes in charge of the hen house.

Just a thought…

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 No.45632

>>45600

How about nobody is in charge? Thought about that?


 No.45638

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>>45583

>Makes a funny joke

>Everyone in the class laughs

>Not even a smirk on his own face

>whatishumor.bmp

He's exactly as I imagined him to be!


 No.45639

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>>45638

He does smirk sometimes. I think I understand him. We seem to think and act alike. Too bad he's not teaching anymore.


 No.45666

>>45575

Govt. regulations never work. They just make everything worse.


 No.45668

>>45575

Problem is, even if you DIDN'T put the foxes in charge of the hen house, there would be a point sometime down the road where they would be, as is the case for any position that wields any degree of power.




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 No.45525[Reply]

Best book about Thomas Jefferson is?

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 No.45597

>>45594

He was president during the Pullman strikes wasn't he?


 No.45606

>>45597

Yep, and that was one of the few times in US history where the army was actually used to mitigate an act of agression. Debs can suck a fat one. On another note, Cleveland was one of the few people in government at that time who opposed the annexation of Hawaii.


 No.45608

>>45597

He also has the best quotes

>Though the people support the government, the government should not support the people.

>Communism is a hateful thing, and a menace to peace and organized government.

>A truly American sentiment recognizes the dignity of labor and the fact that honor lies in honest toil.

>A government for the people must depend for its success on the intelligence, the morality, the justice, and the interest of the people themselves.

>No man has ever yet been hanged for breaking the spirit of a law.

Polk is another top-tier president. Who else would make a promise of completing everything in one term and then standing aside?


 No.45627

What does /liberty/ think of Calvin Coolidge?


 No.45667

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>>45608

Polk was fiscally responsible but also a warmonger. He picked a war with Mexico over land and threatened to start a war with Britain over Oregon. Hardly the worst threats/use of military power by American presidents but still worth noting.

>>45627

Top 3, if not the best.




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 No.44938[Reply]

Lets be honest, how much has Planned Parenthood helped society?

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 No.45084

None. They are normalizing the idea that pregnancy is not a serious responsibility. They are helping develop a new set of social mores in the western world in which babies are an unneeded burden, and the world should instead care for you.


 No.45085

>>44993

>We'd be Brazil-tier failed society if the negroids didn't have abortions.

Bullshit; the US has gone without abortions being socially acceptable for about ~200 years, and done just fine. It's because prior to the modern era, people actually took time to raise their kids, instead of letting public school and electronic entertainment act as nanny.


 No.45086

>>44938

> How much as planned parenthood helped society?

Probably very little, if it's even helped at all.


 No.45106

>>44938

Eugenics was never a solution for anything

PP with the help of the Democratic party has not only forced blacks but all races, whites included into ultimately a vast moral degradation. Our forefathers didn't question whether killing an unborn child was murder, Bible or not, they knew it was wrong.

Progressives are the single most destructive force in the history of mankind. We should have progressed much farther by this point in time.


 No.45665

File: 8748f8b1c08e13b⋯.mp4 (2.67 MB, 400x224, 25:14, 3_percent.mp4)

vid related as well.




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 No.45358[Reply]

Hello, people of /liberty/. I'm the board owner of /x/ and this is a formal invitation to join Operation Golden Age.

The problem

You're probably aware that 8chan's community is small and highly fragmented. This is a terrible combination. Small forums work best when they have a small number of sections. Big sites can afford to have many subforums. While we enjoy the freedom to create and customise our own boards, the current model of infinite boards plus a stagnant community has resulted in a situation where the vast majority of boards are not as active as they could be. This is a pity, because imageboards are a great and versatile medium, and out of all imageboards, 8chan has the most potential.

Unfortunately our growth model so far has relied on various waves of exodus from other communities, mainly from 4chan. By its very nature, this model doesn't guarantee constant growth, and actually makes growth almost undesirable, because when it happens it's so big and sudden that the influx of new users can be difficult to manage. What we want is slow and steady growth.

The solution

We need to start spreading the word about 8chan. The keyword here is "we". The administrators won't do it because they don't make any money from this site, so it's not in their best interest to advertise it. The big boards won't do it either because they already enjoy a good number of PPH (posts per hour) and they're scared that any new visitor might ruin their 'culture'. From their point of view, there's nothing wrong with the current state of things. Most boards on the other hand would greatly benefit from a bigger community, but we have to make it happen. We have to realise that if we don't do something about it, nothing will change.

Now, due to the fact that most small boards represent niche interests, broad advertisements won't be particularly effective. Instead of advertising for 8chan as a site, we want to target people who are already interested in our niche. We can do this for free by mentioning our boards in places where our target audience gather. It can bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.45404

>>45358

For those of us with a posting style, this effectively destroys our anonymity.

Feel free to do so, but part of the appeal of chans for me is being anonymous. If I wanted people to actually know who I was, I'd use social media or a forum.


 No.45405

>the current model of infinite boards plus a stagnant community has resulted in a situation where the vast majority of boards are not as active as they could be

Am I the only one who thinks it's pretty decently active as it is?


 No.45407

>>45405

I'm more worried about traffic loss then I am about growth. It's quite obvious that 8chan isn't growing, and is in fact shedding users. 8chan's alexa ranking dropped by almost 1300 over the last three months and is out of the top 5000 sites. Only 8% of 8chan traffic comes from search engines. If you talk with chan folks on social media, they'll tell you honestly that they either browse 4chan more than 8chan or they don't browse 8chan at all.

While I like having comfy-as-fuck boards, negative growth is a bad thing, and a sign of a dying website if it's consistently negative growth.


 No.45433

Maybe we could get active on ED? Then again, not sure if we want those people here.

>>45404

>For those of us with a posting style, this effectively destroys our anonymity.

Deutschland hier, I agree on that.


 No.45660

>>45358

I feel mixed on this.

For one thing, it certainly would be good to have more anons on the site but on the same token we'd probably lose in terms of post quality…




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