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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.1[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.45525[Reply]

Best book about Thomas Jefferson is?

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 No.45597

>>45594

He was president during the Pullman strikes wasn't he?


 No.45606

>>45597

Yep, and that was one of the few times in US history where the army was actually used to mitigate an act of agression. Debs can suck a fat one. On another note, Cleveland was one of the few people in government at that time who opposed the annexation of Hawaii.


 No.45608

>>45597

He also has the best quotes

>Though the people support the government, the government should not support the people.

>Communism is a hateful thing, and a menace to peace and organized government.

>A truly American sentiment recognizes the dignity of labor and the fact that honor lies in honest toil.

>A government for the people must depend for its success on the intelligence, the morality, the justice, and the interest of the people themselves.

>No man has ever yet been hanged for breaking the spirit of a law.

Polk is another top-tier president. Who else would make a promise of completing everything in one term and then standing aside?


 No.45627

What does /liberty/ think of Calvin Coolidge?


 No.45667

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>>45608

Polk was fiscally responsible but also a warmonger. He picked a war with Mexico over land and threatened to start a war with Britain over Oregon. Hardly the worst threats/use of military power by American presidents but still worth noting.

>>45627

Top 3, if not the best.




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 No.45575[Reply]

Maybe government regulation would work if we didn't put the foxes in charge of the hen house.

Just a thought…

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 No.45622

Unless you propose a method by which only the right people are elected or appointed to office, kindly shut the fuck up.


 No.45632

>>45600

How about nobody is in charge? Thought about that?


 No.45638

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>>45583

>Makes a funny joke

>Everyone in the class laughs

>Not even a smirk on his own face

>whatishumor.bmp

He's exactly as I imagined him to be!


 No.45639

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>>45638

He does smirk sometimes. I think I understand him. We seem to think and act alike. Too bad he's not teaching anymore.


 No.45666

>>45575

Govt. regulations never work. They just make everything worse.




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 No.44938[Reply]

Lets be honest, how much has Planned Parenthood helped society?

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 No.45084

None. They are normalizing the idea that pregnancy is not a serious responsibility. They are helping develop a new set of social mores in the western world in which babies are an unneeded burden, and the world should instead care for you.


 No.45085

>>44993

>We'd be Brazil-tier failed society if the negroids didn't have abortions.

Bullshit; the US has gone without abortions being socially acceptable for about ~200 years, and done just fine. It's because prior to the modern era, people actually took time to raise their kids, instead of letting public school and electronic entertainment act as nanny.


 No.45086

>>44938

> How much as planned parenthood helped society?

Probably very little, if it's even helped at all.


 No.45106

>>44938

Eugenics was never a solution for anything

PP with the help of the Democratic party has not only forced blacks but all races, whites included into ultimately a vast moral degradation. Our forefathers didn't question whether killing an unborn child was murder, Bible or not, they knew it was wrong.

Progressives are the single most destructive force in the history of mankind. We should have progressed much farther by this point in time.


 No.45665

File: 8748f8b1c08e13b⋯.mp4 (2.67 MB, 400x224, 25:14, 3_percent.mp4)

vid related as well.




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 No.45607[Reply]

>"Without welfare who's gonna feed my ten kids, you some kind a racist?"

 No.45609

The free market will kill it


 No.45635

File: 20b2ed9329900f3⋯.jpg (32.79 KB, 700x357, 100:51, police brutaility.jpg)

>"Why don't you call a methhead to protect your rights if you don't want the police, dumb citizen?"


 No.45662

>>45635

>tfw I actually have called (out to) a meth head before and they actually did help me beat the shit out of someone who was gonna mug me


 No.45664

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>>45662

Meth heads are an interesting phenomenon, that's for sure…




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 No.45358[Reply]

Hello, people of /liberty/. I'm the board owner of /x/ and this is a formal invitation to join Operation Golden Age.

The problem

You're probably aware that 8chan's community is small and highly fragmented. This is a terrible combination. Small forums work best when they have a small number of sections. Big sites can afford to have many subforums. While we enjoy the freedom to create and customise our own boards, the current model of infinite boards plus a stagnant community has resulted in a situation where the vast majority of boards are not as active as they could be. This is a pity, because imageboards are a great and versatile medium, and out of all imageboards, 8chan has the most potential.

Unfortunately our growth model so far has relied on various waves of exodus from other communities, mainly from 4chan. By its very nature, this model doesn't guarantee constant growth, and actually makes growth almost undesirable, because when it happens it's so big and sudden that the influx of new users can be difficult to manage. What we want is slow and steady growth.

The solution

We need to start spreading the word about 8chan. The keyword here is "we". The administrators won't do it because they don't make any money from this site, so it's not in their best interest to advertise it. The big boards won't do it either because they already enjoy a good number of PPH (posts per hour) and they're scared that any new visitor might ruin their 'culture'. From their point of view, there's nothing wrong with the current state of things. Most boards on the other hand would greatly benefit from a bigger community, but we have to make it happen. We have to realise that if we don't do something about it, nothing will change.

Now, due to the fact that most small boards represent niche interests, broad advertisements won't be particularly effective. Instead of advertising for 8chan as a site, we want to target people who are already interested in our niche. We can do this for free by mentioning our boards in places where our target audience gather. It can bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.45404

>>45358

For those of us with a posting style, this effectively destroys our anonymity.

Feel free to do so, but part of the appeal of chans for me is being anonymous. If I wanted people to actually know who I was, I'd use social media or a forum.


 No.45405

>the current model of infinite boards plus a stagnant community has resulted in a situation where the vast majority of boards are not as active as they could be

Am I the only one who thinks it's pretty decently active as it is?


 No.45407

>>45405

I'm more worried about traffic loss then I am about growth. It's quite obvious that 8chan isn't growing, and is in fact shedding users. 8chan's alexa ranking dropped by almost 1300 over the last three months and is out of the top 5000 sites. Only 8% of 8chan traffic comes from search engines. If you talk with chan folks on social media, they'll tell you honestly that they either browse 4chan more than 8chan or they don't browse 8chan at all.

While I like having comfy-as-fuck boards, negative growth is a bad thing, and a sign of a dying website if it's consistently negative growth.


 No.45433

Maybe we could get active on ED? Then again, not sure if we want those people here.

>>45404

>For those of us with a posting style, this effectively destroys our anonymity.

Deutschland hier, I agree on that.


 No.45660

>>45358

I feel mixed on this.

For one thing, it certainly would be good to have more anons on the site but on the same token we'd probably lose in terms of post quality…




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 No.45637[Reply]

>After World War I, Hitler returned to Munich.[73] With no formal education or career prospects, he remained in the army.[74] In July 1919 he was appointed Verbindungsmann (intelligence agent) of an Aufklärungskommando (reconnaissance commando) of the Reichswehr, assigned to influence other soldiers and to infiltrate the German Workers' Party (DAP). While monitoring the activities of the DAP, Hitler was attracted to the founder Anton Drexler's anti-Semitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist, and anti-Marxist ideas.[75] Drexler favoured a strong active government, a non-Jewish version of socialism, and solidarity among all members of society. Impressed with Hitler's oratorical skills, Drexler invited him to join the DAP. Hitler accepted on 12 September 1919,[76] becoming party member 555 (the party began counting membership at 500 to give the impression they were a much larger party).[77]

>Drexler favoured a strong active government, a non-Jewish version of socialism, and solidarity among all members of society.

>During this period, he [Joseph Goebbels] read avidly and was influenced by the works of Oswald Spengler, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, the British-born German writer whose book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century (1899) was one of the standard works of the extreme right in Germany.[32] He also began to study the "social question" and read the works of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, August Bebel and Gustav Noske.[33][34]

>Whilst a prisoner [Roland] Freisler learned to speak Russian, and developed an interest in Marxism after the Russian Revolution had commenced. The Bolshevik provisional authority which took over responsibility for Freisler's prisoner of war camp made use of him as a 'Commissar' (as he was described by them in his repatriated prisoner of war paperwork in 1918) administratively organising the camp's food supplies in 1917-1918.

>In 1912 Mussolini was the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI).[5] Prior to 1914, he was a keen supporter of the Socialist International, starting the series of meetings in Switzerland[6] that organised the communist revolutions and insurrections that swept Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.45659

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 No.45663

>>45659

There's probably people who look at this pic unironically.




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 No.45458[Reply]

How bad was it really? What caused it? Is the state to blame or not, and why is the state to blame?

 No.45641

Sadly I don't know enough about it to give an informed opinion.


 No.45644

>>45641

Too bad, but I appreciate the bump!


 No.45654

>>45641

>

Someone admitting they don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion. I never thought I'd see that.


 No.45658

>>45654

This kind of humbleness is always refreshing.




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 No.45653[Reply]

Since Classic Liberalism has already been appropriated by the most famous Sarcuck of Akkad what will ex-Classic Liberals call themselves? Classic Classic Liberals, Paleoliberals, Classic Libertarians?

 No.45655

>>45653

Just keep calling yourself classical liberals and make it clear that Sage of Allah does not represent you anymore. Oh, and maybe - maybe - don't let fucking e-celebrities become your fucking representatives in the first place.


 No.45656

Neo liberal


 No.45657

>>45656

kek.




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 No.45391[Reply]

Let's consider the following:

1.-There is a natural supply of land, expressed by the materialist fact of land existing

2.-There is a natural demand for land, expressed by the materialist fact of humans being able to use land to satisfy their basic needs

Therefore, why should a state, either private or public, defend property rights? Reminder doing such thing means it is acting against the natural order of the market

How then could you justify theft in the form of private property?

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 No.45631

>>45626

>>45624

Didn't read lol


 No.45648

>>45626

> All land is unowned if we disregard the state

No, it wouldn't be unowned. It would just be maintained by other forces, ie: people who don't want you on that land or private security companies.

>You can still imagine its yours, but why should you prevent its usage, using force, when you are not using it?

Because it's mine? That's like saying, you left your house but why won't you let anyone else use it? It's my possession, I live in it and to ignore that and try to take it from me is put simply, theft and is why many people think a state is a reasonable entity as they see it as an institution that protects property when in reality it violates them.

>Anarcho caps are closeted fascists, the only ones who really trust the market is us market anarchists

Oh, yeah. I forgot.

> That property rights are against the logic of the market

Once again, you're not making any sense.


 No.45650

>>45626

>the logic of the market

nice spooks


 No.45651

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>>45624

>If ownership is mantained by the state, but the state is legal fiction, Do I really own it?

>Creating a peaceful contract with a rich man to build a mall = violence

>the existence of the state is violent


 No.45652

File: 782500b2f5074a4⋯.jpg (41.37 KB, 2048x1025, 2048:1025, wew_lad.jpg)

>>45650

>logic is a spook

>mathematics is logic

>mathematics is a spook




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 No.45645[Reply]

What are we going to do about Islamic culture? Just about every other culture is coming around to our way of thinking.

 No.45646

Defend against their incursions against our ways of life, but otherwise let them be.

You can't force freedom on people. If they want to live like the crusades never ended, then let them. That doesn't mean that they can come where we live and try to force their backwards thinking on us, but so long as they don't fuck around with my liberties I could give a shit less where they move or what they do.

They'll eventually figure out (on their own schedule) that having personal freedom is a lot better than having some dictator behead you because god told them to, and they'll modernize.


 No.45649

The libertarian way of thinking is the Non-Aggression Principle. It has nothing to do with culture. It has to do with politics.

Even if the Islamic culture is unchanged, Muslims can be brought around to the libertarian way of thinking if they can be shown that they ought to be enemies of the State.

This would seem to be made easier by their religion, not harder. The American government has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and is always trying to kill more.

Recently they've been trying to Ban All Muslims and put police officers outside mosques




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 No.45307[Reply]

post your favourite libertarian videos

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 No.45429

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

.


 No.45431

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R69ZNslM12s

Bonus: An ancap from my country.


 No.45540

>>45431

i do not understand anything


 No.45621

>>45307

If I had a true libertarian society first thing I would do is organize a militia to get rid of the Israeli threat.

Your subversion is treading on me. Time to tread on you.


 No.45647

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>>45540

How does the portuguese-brazilian vernacular sounds?




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 No.45440[Reply]

libertarians BTFO

 No.45444

>>45440

The tweets of celebrities are not worth discussing. Plus, he'd have to make an argument first.


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File: b39b06a5011ce26⋯.jpg (68.74 KB, 470x665, 94:133, nk child.jpg)

What a fucking faggot


 No.45457

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File: c1a8289003d82d7⋯.jpg (46.86 KB, 600x600, 1:1, viper - u are worthless.jpg)

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>>45440

>Tfw a cartoon creator tweeting a shitmeme is seen as legitimate political education nowadays


 No.45477

File: 3917dec120b2688⋯.webm (7.85 MB, 480x360, 4:3, charls.webm)

>>45440

> Seth Mcfarlane

Please.


 No.45643

I saw this posted on /tv/ as well. Really his political opinions aren't worth shit.




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 No.37925[Reply]

I was browsing the site about building the enterprise and wondering what happened with it.

While looking through the forum on there, I found the members who were last active had come up with a curious idea.

Someone made a thread suggesting they'd make a company to get funding for the project.

One of the replies mentioned forming an employee owned organization.

They specificly mentioned they needed hierarchy while stating that authoritarian government was not the way.

So what does /liberty/ think of this idea? Would it work to have an employee owned non profit organization with the goal of building a large structure for improving life for the participants?

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 No.42731

Have a bump.


 No.42923

Have another bump.


 No.42987

>>37925

>One of the replies mentioned forming an employee owned organization

>employee owned

Wew.

Red alert

Gtfo commie


 No.45424

>>37925

currently complex coordination is done with a dictator that ploughs through obstacles and vets every single detail

see elon musk biography - the parts about tesla and spacex

successes in the opensource software community also also use a model like that - centralized arbiting of quality, by highly gifted and motivated people. they the employee model, but centralized arbiters wich are better than everyone else it is

on the other side there is tons of opensource software wich has a high quality core, but slacks of in various areas wich ultimately make it hard to use/get into

i think there will open up some very serious opportunities if we can replace the roles leaders play in complex coordination problems:

- arbiter of quality

- motivator

- entrepeneur / risk taker / pusher

- actual intra-organisational coordination

- PR related things, mostly marketing


 No.45642

Sounds like a co-op. Sure I guess, though the technology is limited to build a warp drive.




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