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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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>"spending your money on us is making you more economically literate because you'll make better decisions in the future"

literal confidence scam, lol



Is the triangle supposed to be the boylove symbol?



wouldn't be surprised. He's definitely in the right circles.



It's an ancap-inclusive board, so probably.



dont be antisemitic please

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Freedom is the ability to do what one wills; one cannot do what one wills without power; the idea of freedom is inseparable from that of power. Freedom can only arise from the slavery of others.

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I really didn't like Nietzsche, but I have also only read Thus Spoke Zarathrustra, which I was told is a bad place to start with him and not even his best book.


>There was nothing said about nihilism, retard, the thread was about egoism.

The post he replied too was about Nietzsche, who was dealing with nihilism. So, it was relevant to the topic. With less nihilism around us, Nietzsche will probably become less relevant.



>was about Nietzsche

No it was not. OP is a faggot and posted him when trying to act edgy even though he didn't advocate for nihilism, quite the opposite, despite what normalfags think.



>No it was not.

Here is what I wrote:

>The post he replied too was about Nietzsche

Here is the post that >>92333 replied to:


>Is Nietzschean worldview compatible with libertarianism?

>OP is a faggot and posted him when trying to act edgy even though he didn't advocate for nihilism, quite the opposite, despite what normalfags think.

I am aware of that, but not really impressed with it. Nietzsche was trying desperately to find a way out of the nihilism of his time, but if you ask me, he only succeeded at creating more of it, at the end of the day.




>Nietzsche was trying desperately to find a way out of the nihilism of his time

If he did, he'd just go drinking. It's not hard. He was trying to understand things he couldn't know for sure but he couldn't disprove the conclusion so he either had to accept it or embrace it and he chose the latter. I think it's the only choice for sufficiently advanced thinker to live a happy life without succumbing to ignorance.



nietzsche was butthurt about nihlism outcompeting his ideas in market of ideas

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I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years. I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.

And I wanna tell you why, because I loved beeing a libertarian, it is fun and feels good but I had to evolve.

I realized that a libertarian society can only be established in a homogenous society. A society were everyone has the same personal agenda: Liberty . But this homogenous society can never exist in a pluralist, democratic, mutli-racial and liberal system of thought/politics as it would break away immediately because of the inner tension..

That's why the monarchies old old failed to withstand Bolshevism and that's why libertarian "states" would not withstand them either: they are much too laisez-fairez to build a completely resistant block against Bolshevism. Having a strong state with a strong army or an armed populace is not enough to withstand the red storm, you need a ready and rallied and educated people to withstand the enemy within.

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>Why do fascists/natsocs/etc always try to woo libertarians with their conversion stories?

both groups are low IQ tea party trailer trash or middle class basement dwellers



The only reason why you or anyone else has these gay, retarded, illogical stories is because you fail continuously to even understand the ideologies you use as your identity. You can be libertarian and refuse foreigners, criminals and undesirables entry into your country, state, province, city, neighborhood or whatever word you like for land. You can be an an-cap and refuse foreigners and criminals entry into your property, you can co-operate with other likeminded people to keep them out of your society.

To put it another way: There is absolutely nothing unique that authoritarian ideologies have to offer a man who simply wants a place in which he can live and raise his white children with no fear of niggers or jews using their dark sorceries to destroy him and his. However, authoritarian ideologies do offer the enslavement of said white people to someone else and they also promise a framework in which that slavery is acceptable, accepted and even applauded as good and noble. It doesn't matter if the King is white if he steals from you, extorts you, threatens you, jails you, murders you or anything else. What matters is that "future for white children". Furthermore I don't reckon people really care if their dictator calls himself a socialist or not when he's starving them to death. So, in a short insult, you're a gay retard.



Oh no, the ex-libertarians strike again!

>I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years.

Every fascist was a libertarian "once". Every single one. However, almost none of them have even intermediate-level knowledge of libertarianism. Face it, you guys were impressed by Ron Paul and then abandoned the idea (which HE championed for fifty years!) as soon as he left politics. Then GamerGate and Trump happened and you gladly went over to the rising alt-right and then eventually to the more sophisticated right-wing (or pseudo right-wing) movements. I've seen that happen time and time again, and it was always caused by the same two or three epiphanies, over and over, by people who couldn't be more enslaved by the Zeitgeist.

>I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.

How about, instead of moving from one echo chamber to the next, you actually do your thing and come up with your ideas? I am not telling you to be a Rothbardian purist, but, like, do some original thinking, you fool. A synthesis of right-wing and libertarian ideas can definitely be pulled off.


>Every fascist country either collapses because of retarded wars of aggression or when the leader dies. Every single one. Fascism is incredibly unstable.

This, pretty much. Hitler was in power for twelve years. Mussolini failed after a bit more than twenty. Franco, Salazar and Pinochet were more successful, but they were hardly (if at all) fascist. The fascist track record, then, is abysmal.

>Monarchies were not stable either, there were constant pretender revolts and murders, peasant tax revolts, and religious revolts but an amerilard like you have never actually read European history.

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peace is cringe and cucked, war is based.



>t. 15yo edgelord

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I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.

So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).

Hope this is of help for someone!

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>Sounds like "it's free will only if you act the way we like you to" tbh. How do you distinguish what is an act of free will and what is "acting under evil influence" or why is one's acting "an error of judgement" while other one's is not, even if they both think and act.

I think you misunderstand something. If you act against your conscience, then of course, that is also an expression of your free will. Of course, though, that is not respected. My point is not that every action that you undertake from your own free will is sanctified, that would be a pretty crazy doctrine (one that no libertarian would subscribe to, either). It's that Catholicism does not prescribe any schematic outward behavior, as it acknowledges the importance of freedom of will. Without free will, you can neither sin, nor fulfill your calling, a calling which is very individual. There are many paths that lead to God. Sure there are some prohibitions, but those exist in every religion or ideology. Christianity, Catholicism and Orthodoxy in particular, give a lot of leeway even with them, at least in principle. You can get away with an act that would otherwise be murder, as I described, but even if no earthly lawyer would find a ground for your exculpation, then we hold that maybe God will, all-knowing and just as He is. Hence, there is no canon of people that are definitely in hell, only private opinion on these matters.

>You can have electromagnetic interference that powers them all up at the same time even without a set power source that exists into every point where the lights do, for example.

It does not matter whether the source of the light in the bulbs actually lies outside them, and gets into no direct, tangible contact with them. My point is, you cannot substitute an endless chain for having something actualizing your potential. Your example here demonstrates this, in fact. You need something actual (the electromagnetic field) to actualize the potential of the lightbulbs to glow.

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>Is inability to recognize opportunities a virtue?

What do you mean? To answer bluntly, no.

>Tbh, church is slowly losing its positions today and has reforms to accommodate public opinion on themes like niggers, gays and other liberal stuff, yet it's unlikely that this will do more than slow it's demise at the cost of it's own ideas.

Meh. Don't overrate this development. Some people in the Church are for migration, others against it. There is no doctrine concerning it, though, and it is safe to say that Pope Francis is just sharing his own opinions when he calls for us to respect immigrants. We had worse Popes, seriously. We had boy Popes, one who exhumed and descrated the corpse of his predecessor, and one who was stabbed to death by the guy he cuckolded. They abused their power, but they could not hurt the Church itself. It is the same with Francis, except that his shortcomings are tame in comparison (the Popes I mentioned, mind you, were exceptionally bad, we seldom end up with criminals like that).

As for gays, the position of the Church towards them has not at all changed, and Francis' comments on them are hardly that interesting. The worst ones all come from unsanctioned interviews that were written down from memory, by laypeople. The one time he told a gay man that "God made you that way" was such an interview. In fact, it wasn't even an interview, but a private conversation, and the gay dude (a victim of sexual abuse in Church) then said that Francis told him this. We have no idea what Francis really said; it could've been something like "God made you who you are", unrelated to his homosexuality.

What we do know for a certainty is that Francis has told homosexuals to remain celibate. Instead of "I'm cool with you IF YOU'RE CELIBATE", he said "I'M COOL WITH YOU if you're celibate", which you can agree or disagree with, but it offers flimsy grounds for calling the end of the world.

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>But we cannot, for the most part, even if there are things that are possibly provable.

With enough sources, we can. And we have a lot of those, Church documents, heathen ones, heretical ones. We even find new evidence nowadays, when falsification is far less plausible. See here, for example:


For years, we had no official record to prove that Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea (which begs the question, why not forge that?). We did have the word of Tacitus - a heathen philosopher - and the word of Origen - whose works were actually suppressed by the Church - that such records do exist. Neither sounds like useful propaganda to me. Now that we discovered this stone fragment, we can know for sure that Origen and Tacitus did not make things up, and that their testimonies were fabricated or lies was unlikely to begin with.

>There's quite a bit of bias in this historic field. It's really hard to prove whether the man existed, even if he did, that his name was jesus, if it was, then whether he had similar personality to description, if he had, that there was only one jesus, etc.

That is true, but also not insurmountable. There weren't that many people called "Jesus" at this time, after all, and it is unlikely even two would pass for "sorcerers". Here is an article talking about the sources we have:


It is also significant that all kinds of slander about Christ are passed down, up to the name of the soldier His mother, Mary, allegedly slept with. Yet we don't have a single antique source, to my knowledge, denying that Christ lived at all, and surprisingly many even concede His miracles, even if they call them by other names.

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>Yes, for now. Just like we cannot know what's beyond X light years because no waves or signals can go that far so we've only got a visible sphere around us. Same with particles and stuff, we've got theories about higgs bozon and other, smaller stuff which molecules are made of but we've really got andronic collider as the first thing that got us here, afaik.

The Big Bang is really not a main battlefield for religion, though. It was nice to have it proven for the Catholic Church, as it seems to illustrate the cosmological argument. But even if the universe did exist forever, we would not be in huge trouble. That would be an "aesthetic" issue more than anything.


>Well, if that's the case there's nothing to actualize the god itself. If god is eternal i don't see why a mass of energy and matter flowing from one state to another for eternity is less believable, now that we concluded that ever existing objects can exist.

The problem lies in the distinction between contingent and necessary existence. God exists necessarily, hence He was not in need of a cause for His existence (besides Himself, if you want to look at it that way). If God did exist contingently, then He would be in need of a cause, but then He would also not be God. The mass of energy and matter that you describe is problematic precisely because it exists only contingently.

>Like what? Ever existence? Why cannot world itself have such attributes, at which point it's more about semantics whether to call it "god" or something.

If it does have the attributes of being all-loving, just, perfect, timeless and so on, then yes, it is God, but that is more of a point of semantics. In that case, it is only proper to worship it. It cannot be the case, however, that the "whole world" is God, because we already know that parts of the world exist only contingently, so how can the world "as a whole" exist necessarily? If anything, then a part of the world would exist necessarily, but then we'd be back toPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>Times have changed, people have changed, things have changed. Newspapers appeared. Subject of news about Tesla was quite a bit different one. It was quite recent as well, yet still so much shit's come around for such a short time.

Sure, but the truth is not distorted. It can be easily discovered by doing the right research. Even if we had no primary knowledge of Tesla, the fact that the only source for the claims about him was "Oatmeal" would make them highly suspicious.

>Why would there, if one of the theories i stated was true? If it's about conspiracy they have little reason to - it'd risk their lives and reputation, make them or their mates lose influence, attract unwanted 3rd parties or backfire any other way. If they decided to do that the idea of going snitching is also unlikely, because then they wouldn't start it.

When you are just about to be burned to death, then you don't risk certain death for the sake of maintaining your influence. If they had so much loyalty to each other that they'd keep the facade up even to the death, then we must ask what made them so loyal, if not the utter conviction in their professed cause.

>Only if the liars act independently or not base their lies on the same events.

Liars don't generally act that way. The Bible already does take flak because of its supposed inconsistencies, like that Judas was simultaneously hanged and fell from a cliff (for which there is the simple explanation that he hanged himself, his body became bloated, then he fell down and burst open). If you tell a lie, you want to make sure it's widely believed, so you address the gullible people, not the small percentage of intellectuals and scholars who can harmonize accounts that conflict on a first glance. You just recount the same story, with the same key details, and not the same story from multiple angles.

>It can also be that only a liar started it and it got spread by honest guys.

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>"Well howdy, mastuh Anon! I's done cooking fo' ya, if y'all come down heah wit yo' family oveah fo' dinnuh."

>"Do ya like it, mastuh? I's done thought it up myself! Issa gooood eatin', ain't it mastuh?"

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Cuts spending :^)



>Cuts spending :^)

Actually, I'm only willing to pay for my nigger servant part-time, and I'd rather give him money to feed and clothe himself because doing it for him would involve using my more valuable man-hours shopping at the discount grocery store. Better to just give him the money and let him do the coupon-clipping himself, more efficient that way. And cheaper for me as well, as I'm only paying a part-time wage and he can go work another job for the rest.


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Yes, cuts spending. Slaves were given small amounts of money to buy shit like that.



fun isn't fun for spergs


I think I would be very kind to my slave, unless he did something violent or dangerous.

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nigga looks like a shrew with dem beady eyes and nose

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So jews and neocons? Because that's also what poltards are.



Only for pea-brain rightwingers



I'd pee on your brain, john.




poltards are nazi larping nerds who couldn't politic their way out of a paper bag

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Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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Checked for BTFOing leftist brainlet. Carry on.


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Who wants to raid /pol/? They are all americans so saying truth about anglos and krauts makes them even madder than cuck porn and 56% memes.



Leave them be, there's too many of them so the only thing you'll get is more autists getting here

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Ancaps are literally the goblins

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I make below minimum wage and still manage to save. Not one member of my whole family tree is anywhere near middle class. The difference between a Fascist and an AnCap is that one memes at you because you screech every single time about it, but doesn't actually intend to initiate aggression first. You seem to be projecting.



Nice OC. There's only one place you could have learned that Bob Murphy does karaoke.




Goblins lmao. He was spot on about you edgetards.


Human. You have no idea how little do you need to man up to become a fascist.



karaoke at the Contra Krugman cruise?

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>sitting in adv. macro class

>Prof: the US enjoys much stronger fiscal policy than other countries because we have a lot more empty space to build more roads

Please stop the meme ride, I want to get off. We've gone too far.

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you can fix things after a catastrophic event, but things will always stay bad if you don't clean out the infestation



Like the difference between a bullet wound and brain cancer.



Dammit Keynes! You're ruining that which is not seen!



China is a weird mix of Jew-tier malevolence and Communist-tier incompetence.



The same can be said about the Soviet Union.

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The calculation argument is that prices reflect subjective values.

The knowledge argument is that there are orders of knowledge that are only discoverable using markets.

Yes, even these bastardizations of the arguments have issues, but I think it's at least an improvement.

WHY DO THESE TWO KEEP GETTING HOMOGENIZED TOGETHER? More than that, why do they get homogenized into a completely different argument?! Most of the time, it gets homogenized into, "The human brain is deterministic; therefore, we can model it; therefore, an objective utility function can be defined, and we know that calculating a utility from the human brain is difficult, but we can solve a massive linear programming problem–Mises just pointed out how difficult that problem was" That's not the calculation argument. It's not Hayek's knowledge argument. It's infuriating how often I hear this.

I am henceforth calling this argument "The socialist's strawman."

Anyways, what gets me is not only that it's a strawman, but it's a very, very weak strawman.




Well, one reason might be is that the mechanism markets use to provide knowledge to us is through the price system. So while they are different arguments, the point each one makes is related to the other on a higher order pun intended.


…made all the more hilarious by the fact that socialism definitionally cannot have central planning, while it is required in capitalism.



>Anyways, what gets me is not only that it's a strawman, but it's a very, very weak strawman.

The problem is that it's neither a strawman (as ignorant libertarians say this in good faith), nor very weak. I used this argument for a long time, until someone - perhaps even you - corrected me, thankfully.

Anyway, as I said, even the bad argument is not weak, that's why some libertarians keep using it. The idea of modeling every brain in existence is the stuff of high sci-fi, so far ahead of us that using it as an argument for the viability of socialism is laughable. Socialists have no intelligent counter to it, that's why dumbasses like me got away with bringing this shitty argument instead of the legitimate calculation-argument.




try harder



Never have I ever heard a definition of those terms in which that statement was true.

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Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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Have you guys been watching politicon?



What's that, a convention where people dress up and LARP as ideologies? Nah, I don't get to /pol/ too often these days.



What's that, porn featuring politicians? Nah, I have better taste when it comes to hentai these days.



Nothing of value to miss out on.


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>anon BTFO's loltards so hard, they call him bait and ignore

Wow, talk about SAVAGE.

Here, I have another one:

Wojak and Pepe decide to eat at PizzeRIIIIIIa. When they sit down to order, the staff tell Wojak that he can't eat there. To which Wojak replies,

>"But this is a free country! You have no authority over me."

To which Pepe replies,

>"Yeah, but the restaurant has authority over you because this restaurant belongs to them. They have this authority to do what they want with their capital because the government, which has authority over the restaurant, allows this. In effect, you're only 'free' when others with power decide so."

Wojak begins to cry and runs out wailing. Pepe eats his yummy pizza and tendies very smugly.

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> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.

>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.

>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.

>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.

>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.

>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.


It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

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go back to pol


isnt this pretty much what harvey weinstein did? does she want the weinstein set free?

ok she is a woman, but not all men want women flashing them at all times. dont just assume everyone is a sex obssessed degenerate.ts sexual harassment.



>It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women

Lad, all of my wew. If you had ever gone to Germany, you'd know that girls here are dressed far more modestly than in many parts of the US. Few even expose their navel. We do have our fair share of sluts but so does every "civilized" country. I don't see how Germany is exceptional.

You are right that this isn't new for Germany, but it isn't new for the rest of the world, either. You think exhibitionism was invented yesterday? Then explain the hippie movement to me.

>look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic

Look into your oversexualized ghetto culture or the hippie movement. I am not aware that Weimar Germany had half as bad excesses as the US did then (or does now).

>without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots

>the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

It's called "tribal warfare". Killing your enemies and stealing their women was par of the course in tribal cultures.

As for "muh authoritarian leader", we actually live under one of our most authoritarian regimes in our long history. Every country does. The state is more prevalent in our lives than it was back when we lived under kings and lord. Taxation levels show that, censorship shows that, the fact that the state could sponsor mass immigration shows it. We're not more moral for it than we were two hundred years ago.



<Look how bad Germany is


That's not how you argue, man. I'd really prefer if Europeons didn't always turn it into a pissing contest but I guess that's just how it works over there. I guess the OP is to be blamed primarily since this is an absolutely irrelevant story, except for the fact that a woman was fined for not harming or inconveniencing anyone, nor damaging property nor impairing anyone or anything at any time.

On further reading this is just a terrible thread that has absolutely no place here. You need to stop being a peon despite this, though.



>That's not how you argue, man. I'd really prefer if Europeons didn't always turn it into a pissing contest but I guess that's just how it works over there

I did that because I assumed he was American, that was it. Most of the time, it is Americans who start these kinds of discussions about how some European country they never visited is, like, totally fucked and degenerate. I don't see that coming from Poles, Russians, Czechians, Spaniards or Italians. Only Americans like to point fingers at other countries in this way, in my experience.

So because I had reason to assume he was American, it was relevant to point out that his country is hardly faring better, lest he get the idea to write some fascistic-esoteric, americanocentric manifesto about how we should revive the nordic cult to "save Europe". There are enough retards like that, and OP does sound a bit like he's on the same way. His half-knowledge of German is a strong indicator of that.

All in all, I do think the US is more fucked than most of non-Scandinavean Europe in those regions that are cucked. Washington D.C., New York, Seattle, those cities sound way worse than Berlin to me. The non-cucked regions of the US - which I think are far more numerous - don't sound like bad places to me at all, on the other hand. I highly doubt that some obscure farmers in Nebraska are to blame for the Hippie-movement or for letting transgender "women" into the girls restroom.

>On further reading this is just a terrible thread that has absolutely no place here.

Indeed. Don't worry, it should slide away soon enough, one more bump won't change that.

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we need a wrestler in by Wednesday; the rep nominated at the moment is George Washington.

>what is this?

Custom wrestling on a videogame called "Fire Pro Wrestling World". Boards from across 8chan are participating, and it'll be a 32-wrestler tournament to be the Once and Future King duly elected official cooperative leader sovereign citizen important board.

The game is currently available via crack, like all FREE things:


on mega.

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Is that the game they will use for this? Jesus, it looks like shit, what's wrong with the Smackdown vs RAW games?


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Here's his full card.


dunno lol


>12 consecutive wins in separate exhib matches, 10 against default wrestlers and 2 against custom wrestlers I've created, eventually losing to Spike Man who broke his leg ending the match as a loss by default.

Spike Man is a fucking monster and the strongest wrestler I've deliberately built but it was still a close match with decent ratings (spike tends to win with 30%, this was 72%)

>notably he won a 7 minute by snapping a british default wrestler's neck, as is tradition

>has good comedic timing and delivery on taunts; all matches had an ecstatic audience and a few 2.9s, even the shortest one at 6 minutes

I didn't mean to make him as good as he actually is.

Let's hope the RIGGED Gods smile upon us and he doesn't get instacrit round 1.


We cleared round 1, handily taking out GLR.

Event itself is live right now at



Solid run, /liberty/, George went all the way to the semi-finals, and never even used his finisher.

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