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 No.67719[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.90938[Reply]

if things are getting better, why do I feel like I'm living in a dystopian nightmare?

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 No.91968

>>91850

jung was a schizo


 No.92193

>>91968

You mean occultist, which gives him credibility over the mundie meatbag prozac-popper.


 No.92197

File: 0ecd5892402036e⋯.gif (353.98 KB, 384x239, 384:239, [laughts_in_my_boy].gif)

Honestly, a lot of things are actually pretty great right now. We are living in the most decadent time in human history, pray this isn't our peak. Alarmist retards are faggots, not saying this shit is going to last forever but its foolish to go full antifa just yet. Learn to recognize when things are pretty damn good and don't be a miserable loser over nothing.


 No.92201

File: 8f070a7dda4b693⋯.jpg (18.47 KB, 500x346, 250:173, 258e1ac3ead5f7be87392f52da….jpg)

>>92197

>Honestly, a lot of things are actually pretty great right now.

No it's not. The bread and circus is getting better and better, but economic freedom and the ability to pursue happiness keeps getting worse and worse. It's like you're trapped in some fancy giant prison and you comply with the guards as long as you get good food to eat, fun toys to entertain you, and cool cellmates to chat with, because you're either a high time-preference nigger or a conformist bugman.

>Alarmist retards are faggots, not saying this shit is going to last forever but its foolish to go full antifa just yet.

>t. antifa

Evil must be crushed before it can take root.


 No.92209

>>92193

he had psychosis




File: 09e431167dc8a9e⋯.png (133.96 KB, 553x593, 553:593, liberty_tan.png)

 No.71900[Reply]

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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 No.92171

File: 8d489a2aca2799b⋯.png (315.41 KB, 1800x456, 75:19, far-right.png)

>>92155

>national-socialist bugman calls others leftists


 No.92191

>>75145

This article is retarded, not because it's making often demonstrably wrong counterarguments when it actually matters, but rather because it seems to include the means to debunk its points within each of the offending passages.

Ignoring the first two- they're broadly correct counterarguments even if they're debunking blatant strawmans-

>Stirner was not in favor of free markets and competition!

<It originated, you know, in persons becoming free of all personal rule. Is a competition “free” which the State, this ruler in the civic principle, hems in by a thousand barriers?

Stirner is arguing that "free competition" is a natural ideal by which humans arrange themselves, but that it cannot exist within the context of a state.

He later completes this thought:

<"[…]Against your person there is nothing to be said, but the thing, the doctor’s diploma, is lacking. And this diploma I, the State, demand. Ask me for it respectfully first; then we will see what is to be done.”

but the Author sees fit to claim that this passage somehow debunks Stirner's generally positive view on an authentic free market and autonomous competition.

>Stirner was not opposed to a market-less society!

In the very first line:

<“People introduced competition because they saw it as well-being for all; they agreed upon it and experimented collectively with it. This thing, this isolation and separation, is itself a product of association, agreement, shared convictions, and it didn’t just isolate people, but also connected them.

A "market-less" society, therefore, is necessarily tyrannical: if there is no state to prevent them, people will compete and trade in their powers.

<Someone will object that one seeks it at the expense of others. But one won’t seek it at the expense of others, because others no longer want to be such fools as to let anyone live at their expense.”

The author unironically quoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.92202

File: b6cf7427042a692⋯.png (523.82 KB, 630x637, 90:91, market adoption.png)

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 No.92203

File: b73e608260d2a24⋯.png (511.8 KB, 660x600, 11:10, ancaps btfo 2.png)

>>92202

That 3rd image is even more ironic than the other 2 above. First 2 are g8. Can you explain the last one?


 No.92208

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>>92203

>First 2 are g8

Thanks.

>That 3rd image is even more ironic than the other 2 above.

Neetsocs are always buttmad at ancaps because they keep getting BTFO by our superior arguments, while ancaps generally couldn't give a fuck about them. The meme is extremely relevant for such situations, and especially when you catch them whining and crying about us on other boards.

>Can you explain the last one?

Cows, chickens, sheep and pigs are all animals that are very unlikely to go extinct because you are allowed to own them and farm them for their derived products, and as you do so, you breed them and replenish their populations. If people were allowed to do the same with tigers, elephants and all other endangered species, there would be no need for anyone to hunt them down to extinction in the wild. If you weren't allowed to own cows because commie environmentalists began "protecting" them, why would you breed them (since you can't own them) instead of killing them for what their worth and selling the banned products which are now at a high price?

>doesn't want shit parents to be able to sell their children

>wants children to continue being abused by their single moms and other trash that values money over them

>ancaps btfo.png

>implying

Bad moms will always be bad moms, but forcing a kid to stay with a bad mom, rather than someone who is even willing to pay money for them is much worse.




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 No.74029[Reply]

Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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 No.92179

>>92176

Yes, but breaking one wouldn't be a criminal act, because you can't sign away your future will. However, firms would encourage compliance through demanding collateral, which you would agree to forfeit in the event of a breach.


 No.92181

>>92179

Is a contract like "if i do X i'll have to pay you Y" viable though, or do you have to offer a collateral beforehand? Is it legal to demand payment based on the contract and would not paying it be counted as theft?


 No.92182

>>92181

>Is a contract like "if i do X i'll have to pay you Y" viable though

Yes, because failure to follow through on that kind of contract would result in theft. That's generally the litmus test for whether a contract is criminally enforceable in ancapistan: If breach of contract would directly result in theft, i.e. the loss of property of one or more actors, then the contract is enforceable through the courts. If violating the contract would not result in theft, then you can't use the court to enforce it, and one must resort to other means of encouraging the other party to stay to his word–collateral, bad reputation, and so on. Rothbard's essay on the subject sums it up pretty well:

https://mises.org/library/property-rights-and-theory-contracts


 No.92205

>>92173

>>92174

>samefagging


 No.92207

>>92205

>anyone who agrees with someone on the internet is a samefag




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 No.92198[Reply]

Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a men

 No.92199

>>92198

>a men


 No.92204

>>92199

Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a man.

Happy now, nerd?


 No.92206

>>92204

>>92198

>fascist

Well, better than lolbergs anyway.




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 No.79253[Reply]

Would Free Software licenses be allowed in Ancapistan?

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 No.86179

>>81257

>personal property is spook

/leftypol/ has such inconsistency


 No.92162

>>81257

I was somewhat impressed by that meme until I saw it was a thumbnail.


 No.92184

>>79259

Without intellectual property, similarly convenient alternatives would emerge, without any return to the creator. Also, maybe more people would get software from other sources if it was legal.


 No.92186

>>92184

>similarly convenient alternatives would emerge

From whom? The only reason piracy has any allure at all is because it's free. Someone who goes through the trouble of setting up a "convenient" service would expect compensation for his work, and anyone that's willing to pay for media is already buying it legitimately. It's a market that doesn't exist.


 No.92200

>>92186

>The only reason piracy has any allure at all is because it's free. Someone who goes through the trouble of setting up a "convenient" service would expect compensation for his work, and anyone that's willing to pay for media is already buying it legitimately.

Right now the services need to give money to the creators. The alternatives won't (and the original won't either).




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 No.91742[Reply]

This question is directed at the anarcho-capitalists.

Picture is unrelated.

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 No.92190

File: 9aaf75c42bb1d3f⋯.png (206.33 KB, 655x742, 655:742, following me.png)

>>92189

>coorporations

If you're going to bait at least make an effort.


 No.92192

>>91742

Would women look like that under libertarianism?


 No.92194

>>92192

Similar to now, though probably a bit better due to ease of access to plastic surgery and lack of negative selection. Other creatures like modern single mothers would probably cease to exist or be pushed away into some shithole regions/places due to lack of welfare and state funding and aforementioned negative selection.


 No.92195

>>92194

>pushed away

get moved out out*

soz


 No.92196

File: 7d4d544635b381f⋯.png (49.61 KB, 600x800, 3:4, ClipboardImage.png)

>>92192

As a whole, women will likely look much more feminine again as the civic religion of feminism and the state disappears and the church rises to prominence once again; traditional roles won't be frowned upon quite as much anymore.

>>92194

>due to ease of access to plastic surgery

Even if plastic surgery is cheaper, I imagine it would be less prevalent once this degenerate, vain society dies and the libertines are purged.




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 No.92014[Reply]

LIBERTARDS BTFO BY WORLD RENOWNED ECONOMIST NOURIEL ROUBINI

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 No.92096

>>92014

Thanks for this. I haven't had a laugh this good in a while.


 No.92099

File: e6e9010ae1f7500⋯.png (515.33 KB, 1048x1040, 131:130, 20181015_202123.png)

>>92057

>>92078

i fixed it

maybe not all jews are bad, but roubini sure isn't a very exemplary specimen


 No.92150

File: f30b91b66b519b4⋯.png (151.55 KB, 500x448, 125:112, 88471a9d98818b7a8744e83a6c….png)

>>92014

What this commie kike doesn't understand is that we will be the ones piloting the black helicopters.


 No.92152

>>92051

>"spending your money on us is making you more economically literate because you'll make better decisions in the future"

literal confidence scam, lol


 No.92185

>>92099

Is the triangle supposed to be the boylove symbol?




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 No.92151[Reply]

How is this shit even remotely far-right?

 No.92153

It's not, Not Sees were the original big-brained centrists who called for a Third Way. Things have just gotten so fucked that even centrism is considered "far right" nowadays. Just look at Trump, policy-wise he's a 70s New York Democrat, but compared to what passes for the left these days he's an ultra-right radical.


 No.92156

We've already plumbed the depths of what fascistic states look like and found them wanting: outside of obvious war-time concessions, they look an awful lot like moderate democracies with particularly popular leaders.

Until the Era of Great Works finally commences, every government is a nuclear silhouette of what a post-fascist state actually looks like and should be treated as such.

Perhaps the closest to a true 'far-right' endgame are North Korea and Eritrea, but the minds behind those hellholes are shortsighted enough that they utterly fail to leverage the carnage they leave in their wake. They chase idealistic versions of a normal libertine life but fail as their markets and methods fail to match that of even basic Enlightenment design.

That is not what far-right looks like, it's the step immediately before it, every bit the transitional state to true Fascism as Socialism is for Communism, both entrenching a single central power.

The true dichotomy is revealed there: the left supersedes massive power structures to meet the will of many as best it may, while the right is a unified will that supersedes and controls the many for the pursuit of a massive power structure.

(increasingly) Fascist Germany in its day made great strides through the Autobahn, but the United States and others that followed suit demonstrated that the "Great Work" of yesterday is the "Standard Affair" of today in the form of massive networks of highways that dwarf the original. Now, collectively, countries pool resources to produce new wonders at a snail's pace.

This is inferior even to the empires of history, who in the eyes of their emperors saw monuments built in a day and last for an eternity, still impressive but only in the sense that "these people accomplished something that was seemingly impossible for their time."

A modern far-right state should go out of its way to violate every code of ethics and human right imaginable if they stand in the way of the Space Elevator or an Orbital Ring. If it's the free market stopping them from overturning mountains and putting livable spaces for hundreds of thousands of people in their place, utterly destroy it. The Great Leader's pyramid should be able to be seen from the top of the GrePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.92159

>>92156

>pyramid-building as in any shape right wing

>pyramid-building propels a nation forward

Hi Keynes.


 No.92160

NEETsoc is a big fucking joke. A form of totalitarianism superseded by more effective methods generations ago. Now it only serves as a convenient antithesis to trick vulnerable, dogmatic retards.


 No.92169

>>92159

Keynes is an economist and principally concerned with the economy, nothing I discussed cares in the slightest about markets or economics in general.

That's the split that makes sense. If leftists pursue more emergent and uncontrolled structures (like the free market) and far-left thought wants them to be totally uncontrolled and tempered, then right-wing thought should be characterized by a rejection of emergent and uncontrolled structures (like regulations and arbitrary law) and the far-right would be a total eclipse of that paradigm.

A far-right country wouldn't build a pyramid to "propel a nation forward", that's dumb. What is 'forward'? What's the point of 'moving forward'? It's not a race, so much as left-wing thought's focus on efficiency and therefore meritocracy has made it one.

A far-right country would build those pyramids to scar the earth, and the moon right with it. Because in a thousand years, when all have forgotten the rest of us, that country will still be talked about in hushed tones and with great discomfort.

The human race has many scars from past, almost exclusively from prototype far-right countries. They existed before they could fulfill basic human needs effortlessly, but still managed to construct their arbitrary and single-minded legacy. We speak of the Romans and the Mongols who overturned our languages and broke our genes on their back to such a degree the effects are still obvious today, of the Colosseum and Trajan's market, not impressive by today's standards but incredibly difficult by contemporary ones, and more importantly, permanent and lasting. We do not speak of the caliphates, who left little but religious relics (honoring an emergent and uncontrolled institution) and devastation in their wake, or much of the Achaemenid who for all their people and all their land only managed to build a mausoleum at a tenth the size of the largest of the Pyramids, the one at Giza, built two thousand years prior.

You will know what a far-right country looks like when it stares down modern problems that others struggle to address through half-measures and market means and says 'I will fix that and I would love to see anything try and stop me'. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.92049[Reply]

> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.

>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.

>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.

>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.

>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.

>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.

https://www.rt.com/news/441086-german-star-striptease-police-video/

It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

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 No.92080

>>92053

OP isn't fond of liberty it seems.

>>92069

And?

One of only a handful of reliable news sources in the US now. It's just a fluff piece.


 No.92090

File: c5a66dd627041e1⋯.png (295.75 KB, 400x397, 400:397, DmBaEf42wAESRp8.png)

>>92080

I pay taxes for that trash, you cunt.


 No.92093

>>92090

You live in Russia, cunt?


 No.92107

Hitler did nothing wrong.


 No.92166

>>92107

go back to pol




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 No.91828[Reply]

Ancaps are literally the goblins

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 No.92064

>>92056

Goblins represent the non-whites.


 No.92098

>>92064

I tought they where the ancaps


 No.92102

>>92098

Goblins are violent NPCs, so they're more like antifa. I don't think ancaps could ever agree on enough to even form that kind of gang.

If you watch the first episode of Sword Art Online, they make a little joke where all these MMO players get their avatars changed to reflect how they look IRL. All the cute girls and hot dudes turn into fat nerds. Those are the ancaps.


 No.92132

>>92102

But I always pick some old gray haired guy. Female avatars usually have really annoying groaning and moaning when hit. I'd play as a friendly merchant, but no game lets me make a nose sufficiently long.


 No.92165

>>/vg/




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 No.92135[Reply]

>is antifa antinationalist

>simultaneously support black nationalism and/or gypsy nationalism and/or "palestinian" nationalism

 No.92140

>how can people who like secession like nations


 No.92164

>>92140

they can




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 No.91320[Reply]

how can i measure time preference of girl im interested in?

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 No.92138

anons, as an ancap and radical individualist rationalist i fear i would lose my rationality and sovereignity and freedom due to having fallen in love

i could consider sacrificing these things for perfect woman but she is not perfect ;(


 No.92142

>>92138

Just not throw all of you into this if you care about standing tall afterwards, and do what you enjoy and want. It's not about absolutes, measure how much do you care, how much do you wish to risk it, how much can you let go overall, cut it i parts to move towards the goal and add them as you gain trust or become more confident in this activity and in her. If you wish, just do not show all your wealth and power level and move in small steps. Just like an investment except you get pleasure, help and company for your time, energy and money - measure and compare losses and gains like you would with any other and decide. If you cannot - give it a try, even if you get rejected, lose some money or break up with a scandal - you lose more in negative emotions rather then in anything of material value.


 No.92146

>>92142

yes i have already mental problems and i fear it might cause a lot of suffering. behaving rationally, as you wrote, is a good idea of course but i fear i might lose rationality because no other attractive girl has in last years been iterested in me and i might "overinvest"


 No.92161

sarakot tunarot lamenazim?


 No.92163

>>92161

no entiendo, disculpe :(




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 No.92085[Reply]

>sitting in adv. macro class

>Prof: the US enjoys much stronger fiscal policy than other countries because we have a lot more empty space to build more roads

Please stop the meme ride, I want to get off. We've gone too far.

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 No.92104

>>92094

>Is the professor a quantitative easing proponent?

He's a Keynesian, so yes. The reasoning goes:

>gubmint fixes recessions with fiscal policy when monetary policy "isn't enough"

>you fix recessions through stimulating consumption

>gubmint stimulates consumption through building infrastructure

>way to build infrastructure is to build roads

>Burgerstan has more empty space

>more empty space means more room for roads

>Japan was in a recession for 10 years because it's a small country with not enough room for roads

This is a 3000-level course, at a well-respected institution, and we're literally worshipping roads. Fuck it, maybe the West isn't worth saving and we deserve to be wiped out. Let the gooks inherit the Earth.


 No.92105

File: fced81d0c2f63b0⋯.png (857.11 KB, 1400x5552, 175:694, do not learn mandarin.png)

>>92104

Anon, i'm with you but please, not the gooks.


 No.92108

>>92105

Those are chinks, my friend, not gooks. No worries though, just loosely surround them, announce that they are besieged, and the chinks will scramble to eat other and prove their honor faster than you can say "Suiyang."


 No.92131

File: 2806ce3b62d5817⋯.gif (1.45 MB, 400x256, 25:16, destruction_of_history.gif)

>>92108

>t. history for brainlets

I wish you niggers would take a closer look at that siege, aaaaah. As you can see, things change with time.


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>>92104

Doesn't China literally do this to inflate GDP?




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