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Ya'll need Mises.

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hurray new terrorist attack in strasbourg today :D maybe it will wake these cucks up

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when you mention their heroes were jews, especially those WN ones?

I don't get it. they usually end up dodging the question and spam helicopter nonsense at you. they're ones to talk about something "not being an argument" when all they do is dodge the question like an oven.

are they even real?

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Because we don't believe that something being made by jews changes it in any significant way. Especially if it's a priori, only marxists believe that different people have different types of valid logic.



With Marx, I don't know. Maybe it's his hatred for capitalists, which are of course often jews. With the libertarian jews, you're wrong. They're individualists, so when they critisize Israel, general behaviour of jews or jewish tradition, they don't neccesarily mean themselves. And, with some of those cases, like with Block, we know they don't.


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>Block is actually a jew


I've never really seen ancaps care about jews, not sure what you mean.


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is korwin-mikke right saying that on greenland there were maaany years ago lemons growing in wild?

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Is the sovereign citizen ideology based, or is it really as stupid as the actual movement?



it is funny and interesting


It's stupid. The line of thinking comes from autistic lawyers who think's they're clever cheating the system when they are not. They are con men selling autism to pointless reactionaries trying to go to war with the police.


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Opinion discarded.

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>I'm a libertarian

>which is why I want to give the govt. the power to discriminate and segregate on the basis of race

>because it's the only way in which we'll stop the blacks from destroying the white race

>because whites are the only libertarians

>and because it totally worked in the US, Hispanic america and South Africa

Why do some """"""libertarians"""""" peddle this bullshit?

If they really believe segregation is natural and blacks are inferior, why don't they advocate for voluntary association and the end of the welfare state?

Shouldn't that be an easier sell than "hey let's kill the niggers"?

Why do these """"""libertarians"""""" believe the government won't abuse this power?

It's almost as if these """"""libertarians"""""" use liberty as an ad-hoc excuse to kill and deport racial minorities…

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>deportation and confiscation of property for reasons other than compensating victims of crime



>given the choice between a government that pushes for mandatory integration and multicultural shite, and one that pushes for mandatory segregation, I see the latter as having less of a detrimental effect.

Fair enough. I don't fully agree with that sentiment, but I don't disagree with it either.

>you're awfully more optimistic about the limiting power of the constitution than I am

Yes, well, more in the importance of symbols as they relate to tradition.

>different ethnic groups have different, often undesirable, traits

Desirable ones, too. Besides, many people place character, intelligence and such above race when choosing a partner.

I'm not saying that it isn't a factor, just that it isn't that important to many people (notably those who score higher in openness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openness_to_experience).

>The child either identifies fully with one culture or the other

I have often seen otherwise (I am a Spaniard living in the UK, it may be different where you are from). In the absence of concrete data I would avoid making a statement on the subject.

>On top of that there's the increase in risk for various genetic diseases

Afaik a diverse gene pool reduces the risk of disease.

>minority elements within a society tend to self-segregate into homogeneous communities

As with choosing partners, more open people tend to be comfortable mingling with 'others' whereas less open people usually want to keep themselves Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



>notably those who score higher in openness

>I am a Spaniard living in the UK, it may be different where you are from

Conceded, but only to a point. There generally needs to be some basis of commonality for this to occur (Bongistan and Old Mexico do have some cultural similarities), and even then, the minglers tend to be a minority with above-average intellect, that limit their interaction with a like minority.

>self-segregation doesn't usually reach the level of an actual walled community.

Gated communities aren't exactly uncommon…



>>Do you see how such a future state with a racial condition would require state control, but could still be called libertarian?




Am I missing something?



I was responding specifically to your example. If the state reserved the right to choose who may enter it…

It's borderline, but I think it can be justified if the community is small enough that all the land is owned by its members.



The mid-west farm boys ARE that uncomfortable. And we're locked and loaded.

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/liberty/, if you have not heard yet, thots that make money through private Snapchat and chaturbate and the like are now being reported to the IRS for avoiding to pay they're taxes.

Most of you may think that this is bad, given the nature of this board but I would say this is great for us and let me explain why:

Since these women are by and largely leftist, they support higher taxes. The only thing (and rather unsuprising I might add,) is that they haven't actually been paying them since they've been making they're money under the table. This should wake them up and hopefully get them stirred up about taxation or at least the IRS in general, and when pretty ladies that make people's pp hard are pissed at something, white knights are almost certain to follow in their footsteps.

It may seem contradictory to rat them out to the IRS but I think that it would be an overall win for libertarianism if we keep on doing this.

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>incel flag

no surprise there



He's a redpilled on economics conservatard, not an ancap though. He's all in for imposing religion, race spooks and using generalist assumptions on individuals to justify his position and only economic literacy prevent him from being a hard-on poltard and wanting a socialist state to enforce that presumably.



Religion and race spooks don't need to be "imposed," the market simply puts pressures on people to adopt productive and desirable behaviors. Adn as long as you're not supreme autismo, there's nothing stopping you from using both individualist judgement and generalist assumptions about demographics to judge people. I am individualist when I decide whether or not my coworker is an asshole. But when deciding whether it's a good idea to move to a house on MLK Jr Boulevard, it's far more expedient to make use of demographics and generalist assumptions rather than interviewing each of my neighbors individually.



>He's a redpilled on economics conservatard

<doesn't even communism


Bluntly, I doubt it even goes that far. Xe's something-pilled on… kicking black people out of xir establishment, which technically violates even the most basic principles of libertarian market theory (will sell for X + "lol psych" = fraud).

Basically, a /pol/tard with shit for theory with a jack-the-ripper relationship to women and an eagerness to lie and make shit up to shut down voluntary market transactions… OTHER PEOPLE'S voluntary market transactions.

It's… sad.



Spooks could not exist even if imposed.

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What's wrong with it?

It seems unimpeachable, which would naturally follow that anarcho-capitalism is correct

If you're not an anarcho-capitalist, share your disagreement

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>No, it's not. Unless you believe that "might makes right"

I don't. I do believe it makes rulership.

>All your arguments are based on the false premise that property can be legitimately acquired by stealing, so you'd better address that if you want to be taken seriously.

Okay. Are you prepared for a world in which land cannot be owned? Because the Enclosures are a uniquely-Anglo property model which has ONLY come about in history through overt theft. It was then generally used as a base from which to extort people fiscally; Smith writes a bit about this…

…so everything you know about property is about to be overturned, here.



Don't you know what the word "legitimately" means?



I do, which brings us back to probably both being the current holders of a lot of illegitimate non-property - and throws into question any further property based on that.



>Communism, otoh, isn't; you can have monarchist communism, capitalist communism, socialist communism, panarchist communism. Historically, communism under the capitalist property model is most common; "these are those of my capital goods which I designate that everyone can use."

What are you doing here, you god awful obnoxious faggot?



Alright, but you can't change the past or give compensation to dead people. The only thing that can be done is stop commiting the same errors from now on. Or what, you want to kill all 7 billion people in the planet right now for something their ancestors did to each other?

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thoughts? was he a commie or a libertarian?

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I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years. I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.

And I wanna tell you why, because I loved beeing a libertarian, it is fun and feels good but I had to evolve.

I realized that a libertarian society can only be established in a homogenous society. A society were everyone has the same personal agenda: Liberty . But this homogenous society can never exist in a pluralist, democratic, mutli-racial and liberal system of thought/politics as it would break away immediately because of the inner tension..

That's why the monarchies old old failed to withstand Bolshevism and that's why libertarian "states" would not withstand them either: they are much too laisez-fairez to build a completely resistant block against Bolshevism. Having a strong state with a strong army or an armed populace is not enough to withstand the red storm, you need a ready and rallied and educated people to withstand the enemy within.

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The US seceded from Britain, every soldier of the US navy could have been argued to be a "runaway" from the Bong navy.



When someone says he's an "ex-libertarian" you can tell he didn't bother reading anything about it.


>i used to be an angsty child

>now im just an autistic adult





This cartoon perfectly demonstrates the ridiculousness of the paradigm. What are these naggers even fighting for?




>afraid to say nigger

>freedom is angsty


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Why do you have to "earn" a living?

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You don't have to be a billionaire to do that. That's like ~$3,000 dollars in cash and at best and that champagne is probably like ~$100 and some louis vuitton watches [only brand and not the actual face so I'm guessing cheapos].

If you're single and have a decent job you could recreate this picture, it won't impress anyone who actually has money.



You don't need to deny that wild creatures either succeed or die. However, to imply that every single moment of life must be stressful is dishonest. I bet not one ant struggles every hour of its life. They don't have the capacity to "struggle". Most creatures, I'd argue, only "struggle" when they are being eaten. They do what they do and it works for them. The question is always "why, therefore, is doing what I do insufficient?" the answer, of course, is "Because what you do doesn't work with the kind of society everyone has built up until now". This means different things to everyone, but the end-all be-all answer isn't "LOL just get a job, you're meant to be miserable you fucking idiot, if you're not good well too bad you're still alright". That's a dumb, dumb way of thinking.



Marxists actually do accept the achievements of capitalism and admit its superiority over pre-Capitalist modes of Production

We just don't view it through a moral lense and instead through the lens of Materialism and thus we determine its usefulness to society by different factors such as the standard of living it allows for the majority of its citizens and so on

Even Proudhon while accepting the achievements of capitalism still wished to break down class distinctions and allow all citizens to become part of a Universal capitalist which is effectivly opposite the idea of Marx



>Even Proudhon while accepting the achievements of capitalism still wished to break down class distinctions and allow all citizens to become part of a Universal capitalist which is effectivly opposite the idea of Marx

<But when you enter a country after a socialist revolution has already won to, in your words, implement capitalism, overthrow the socialists, and disband soviet rule, that's "Communism!"

We've got potshots we can take at you, too… and frankly, not only are you the newcomer to this shit (by a couple thousand years plus), but you're wrong.


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>Marxists actually do accept the achievements of capitalism

Yeah, now and again some communists do admit that capitalism works pretty damn well. The problem is when you then claim that Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Chavez or whoever knows how to create a superior system and that by giving said tyrant of the month absolute power we will arrive at the communist utopia in no time. Marxists lack even a modicum of humility and therefore believe that their shallow theories of dialectical materialism (which they insist are somehow 'scientific' in spite of their pesky tendency to make erroneous predictions) can accurately chart the past, present and future of the human species.

>Proudhon while accepting the achievements of capitalism still wished to break down class distinctions and allow all citizens to become part of a Universal capitalist

Proudhon believed in 'possession' as opposed to 'property'. I have no idea where you get this 'universal capitalist' meme from (probably the ramblings of Marxists with an axe to grind). The worker possesses his means of production individually through a cooperative as opposed to collectively as a class through the commune. This opposes the interests of Marxists only in the sense that most Marxists are control freaks who want centralized decision-making to govern every aspect of society.


>to imply that every single moment of life must be stressful is dishonest

Which is why I did not do that. To struggle and to be stressed is not the same thing. Humans, in many ways, are built to struggle.

>I bet not one ant struggles every hour of its life

I get what you want to say but ants are a bad example.

>"why, therefore, is doing what I do insufficient?"

Insufficient to what? Provide meaning to our lives?

My life is meaningful. Most people I know find meaning in what they do, in the people they love.

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Why do they fantasize over being bent over and oppressed by people who would hate them if they ever had the ability to meet?

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Wrong, try again.


Who exactly are you talking about us having fantasy over though?




>Character attacks instead of attacking the ideas

So much for the intellectual libertarians


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Tankies, although it also applies to most unironic fascists.



Meh. Same shit. Question is how to run them off a board about something completely different.

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Have boomers ruined opportunities for millenials forever? I wish I could get my own place and be self-sustainable, but I can't with jobs that require no diploma/degrees so I'm forced to go to college but then I'll have massive debts..

What is the future for millenials going to look like?

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>I'm lazy, unmotivated and introverted.

You need skill no matter what anon. Doesn't matter if someone goes to collage if he doesn't acquire enough skill, he is worthless. Whether you're lazy or not that's shouldn't be something that hold you back to gain skill. I hope you find your time to build yourself a skill that is productive.

>Boomers are lucky. 1 income from a basic job without a degree could sustain an entire family back then. Now the economy is fucked and millenials are hopeless

You can rent as much as you want about boomers but that's not gonna change anything. We don't live in their era where government were less corrupt and their living standard were so much better. What past is passed, life moves on.



>You can rent



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In the worst case scenario you can save money in a first-world country and buy land and a cozy house in a comfy third-world country like in East Asia or in Eastern Europe or somewhere where shit is cheap and you can live almost for free if you have dollars.

It's what I'm doing.


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>I'm lazy, unmotivated and introverted.

>I'd love to be a contributing member BUT

Stop making excuses.



You're right, everything being fucked won't unfuck itself by complaining on an imageboard.

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What kind of money that loses more than 60 percent of its value in one day LMAO. This is why money should be physical and tangible, not something that is imaginary. Bitcoin cash? More like Bitcoin crash em right?



protip: physical and tangible things can loose more than 60% of its value in one day too



If it's stop being traded than yes. It looses its value especially when its being oversupply without intact of backing to any worth of a tangible physical thing. Bitcoin in other hand doesn't have any of that despite of their reasoning of muh blockchain. Majority of the people don't even use bitcoin to shop in stores. Therefore, the price they are traded were merely speculated. Funny that the business of cryptocurrency started out not even more than a decade but we're seeing such a huge losses of profit simply because they hold their money into crypto. Everything about it is a joke.



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im sure people are generally making profit from crypto

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Original ancapball content created by you thread. Let's see how dead this board is.

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>moves threw time

It's "through" lad



No, it’s not, and Yes, you can.



If a King is not sovereign, the last word on matters, then in what sense is he a king? If he is sovereign and has the last word on matters, then in what sense are the rights of the individual protected?



shieeet, why doesn't paint have a spellcheck



First option. The king has the last word on matters as the land owners etc. feel the need to have an impartial arbiter who in times of crisis would act as a leader of the joint private armies acting in the common interest. The king is a cultural institution that has real world benefits for the people who respect the king.

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People say that Germany became an industrial powerhouse because National Socialism was flawless, yet they dont say what did they actually do to make Germany so productive (natsoc doctrine says productivity = wealth), was it really a success or it only grew so quickly because of a artificial demand made by the goverment on heavy industry?

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Watched the video, it's just masturbation about production increases and only the good news of central planning, doesn't even point stuff like how Germany secured their access to steel


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>FDR being a warhawk is le conspiracy theory


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>moving the goalpost since you've been BTFOed.

The conspiracy is that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a manipulated incident orchestrated in order to give FDR a reason to enter to war. This is due to the fact that the US public education system is complete dogshit and it doesnt teach you history or anything else other than "muh self esteem" bc you might shoot up the school or hang yourself for being cyberbullied or something. This is why none of you seem to realize the attack on Pearl Harbor wasnt specific to an attack on Hawaii, but part of a much larger asian invasion plan with the express purpose of taking out the US navy while it had its back turned since that was the only thing at the time that could stand up to Japanese conquest of Asia and the pacific.



>The conspiracy is that the attack on Pearl Harbor was a manipulated incident

Point to where I said that, illiterate nigger.





that was the point I was arguing against and then you said "no u dumb"

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