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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.97549[Reply]

How do you prevent others from copying your business ideas in the free market? I'm not implying that the gubmint should step in and start fucking shit up for everyone, but I'm working on some imageboards right now, and I want to know how you could implement cool features in a way that only YOU have that niche and no one else (eg: a more popular imageboard) tries to copy it.

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 No.97574

>>97549

1) Trade Secrets

2) Cartels/Group pressures applied to new actors

3) The same as #2 except with the public instead of trade organizations


 No.97583

Life is an endless battle against entropy. You can't secure shit, that's how the universe works and that's how you accelerate progress.


 No.97589

My advice:

1. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

2. Always innovate and never become complacent.

3. Keep a stiff upper lip.


 No.98184

File: a0a562fd3bddb84⋯.jpg (106.95 KB, 1468x889, 1468:889, blackwater-logo.jpg)

You employ a private security company to commit corporate sabotage on the rival who is copying your ideas, obviously.


 No.98191

>>98184

Good idea. First we make imageboards, then we raid 8chan.




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 No.98117[Reply]

How is Libertarianism or even individualism compatible with the real world? It's pretty obvious humans do not have free will. You don't choose how you were raised, whether you were abused, your gender, race, sexuality, your parents the diet you were raised on, intelligence. There have also been studies that show people thought they were in control of a mouse when moving it even though they weren't. Another study showed that activity of just 256 neurons was sufficient enough to predict someone's with 80% accuracy someone's decision to move 700 milliseconds before they became aware of it. This shows that your brain makes decisions even before you do. When you become conscious of these decisions you think you are making them even though your brain already made them. So since no one has free will how can you just think individualism will fix everything. Everyone who is at the top had good parents, weren't abused, didn't have mental illness. Then other people who also didn't choose anything will have to suffer because they were just unlucky. This is also shows that the NAP is not moral either because you cannot kill someone for something they have done that was already determined. It is moral to put them in prison because it benefits the greater good by letting them no longer be a threat to the safety of others. It would also be moral to give treatment to someone for their condition. Killing them like the NAP says is not moral.

>inb4 fatalist strawman

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 No.98136

>>98132

This. From a utilitarian standpoint determinism is completely useless without an omniscient perspective, which nobody has.


 No.98150

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 No.98176

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 No.98178

OP, you're partly right, but you're referring to those studies while excluding the relationship between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. 90% of our thinking is done on autopilot by the subconscious and even our actions become delegates to it, while the conscious mind exists to observe our thoughts, to learn, or to program our subconscious minds on how to act and think.

This is why cognitive behavioural therapy is so powerful. Basically if you spent your life telling yourself something (eg: I will always be poor), the effects of confirmation bias will kick in and you will believe it even if it's not particularly true, unless you start telling yourself something else and start another feedback loop to reprogram your mind.


 No.98186

>>98150

cringey




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 No.98180[Reply]

As you know the biggest obastacle between us and a free society is the parasitic middle-class. Those bureaucrats, cops, etc are a big problem because not only they cost us a lot of money, but they do a lot of shit that hinders business and entrepeneurship.

At the same time, you can't just fire them all at once because it's not politically feasable.

So, here's my plan to solve the problem with these parasites. Now, this plan has been devised for a nation where the State has a lot of power all over the territory, I understand that with the self-imposed limits on the federal government in the US such a plan would be much more difficult to achieve.

Basically you have to distract the parasites by feeding them more privileges while paving the way for a physical removal, so that they don't know what's happening.

>you make a law that gives them longer vacations, but at the same time you close big offices and spread them all around the city. This way, they are forced to hop from location to the other in order to get the job done. This means that they can do less damages and are also more stressed and also are forced to spend more money.

>then you make a law to give them a one time yearly bonus, like 1000$ or something, but at the same time you increases the repetitive and useless tasks. The objective is to make the tasks take a toll on their mind and, of course, on their back and hands.

>a third law is the creation of new roles, which would be considered a promotion. But in order to get the role, they need to move to a new office that is far from where they are now. Also you make them travel a lot for "meetings"

>then you lower the number of hours they need to work each day, while mantaining the same pay, but you increase the competences of various institution, so you can merge them. So, slowly you have the IRS joining the police and the police joining the military

>the final step is having the ability to send them to work in Africa or Middle-East. Since they are into the "national construction agency", of course they need to supervise the building of homes for the poor in Africa. Since they are into the "security agency", of couser they nPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.98181

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>>98180

The law needs to be stream lines, and the legal dictionary needs to be written in common English.

The way things are now, 90% of Americans can't even understand the language that their legislation is written in.

No wonder we have parasitic, swampy, recidivism of corrupt politicians in the deep state.




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 No.98169[Reply]

>people who get a degree in economics don't know Mises, Rothbard, Hayek or the austrian school even exist

Ok, explain this. I mean, either austrian economics is so wrong that can't even be considered economics, or States schools are so scared they don't even name it, like it was the bald wizard from Harry Potter or something.

 No.98170

File: 4ed4ac55cc75d30⋯.jpg (90.58 KB, 500x495, 100:99, sailingWinds.jpg)

I think it's more simply a "Cui Bono?" thing.

Most professors are academics.

Most academics get their funding from the State.

Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek attack the State.

The State doesn't fund research and academics that would attack its own interest.

Academics in turn do not usually mention Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.

In turn, most professors and classes do not mention Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.


 No.98171

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 No.98174

>>98169

I know a few Mises/Hayek professors, but they could never mass exploit their position and are limited to simple Uni professors.




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 No.97300[Reply]

4chan and 8chan both have a monopoly on image boards. they didn't lobby any government it's just the way it is. anybody can set up a clone using open source software but it would never be as successful because a user base would not migrate. so why wouldn't this happen with a bunch of other platforms too in a free market?

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 No.98021

>>98001

Abolishing the age of consent has nothing to do with abolishing the concept of consent and more to do with raising the importance of the logical definition of consent, as opposed to the legal definition.


 No.98041

>>97300

>both have a monopoly on image boards.

>both

>monopoly

GIT OUT


 No.98140

>>97979

Notice only two of those squares are technically possible, and only one square is relatively feasible


 No.98143

>>97979

I am definitely a left-libertarian. Three out of four.


 No.98163

>>98143

I'm actually kind of pissed off that my left-anarchist background puts me at "authoritarian bolshevik" on that chart.

Nazbol tankies and aynclaps wait for Big Daddy to do it for them… but the leftists have the hackers. FUCK the laws of physics!




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 No.96385[Reply]

1. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY IN CHEAPEST WAYS POSSIBLE, without expensive rent, 40 year mortgage etc ? you can propose many different options and what's upfront and/or monthly cost

examples: living in RV/van/car, homeless/homelessness shelter, some cheap land and mobile home, sharing a flat or house with someone, etc

2. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY ANONYMOUSLY - that means, to have different official address (to get letters etc), but different true address (where you sleep, make food)? so the police or your enemies cannot easily come to your place to "suicide" you

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 No.97392

>>97384

I'm not meaning to say that you couldn't be a leech while still holding to libertarian philosophy and in a libertarian society. You're just not exercising sovereignty if you're merely living at the pleasure of others.


 No.97405

File: 98b1ea5c758eaf3⋯.mp4 (1.29 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, M (12).mp4)

>>96386

>she's fucking this mulatto groid mutt with the physique of a neanderthal

She lives in an RV, she's literal trailer trash, what did you expect?

>Can I just go one day, ONE FUCKING DAY, without being reminded how women are just race traitor chad chasing whores?

No, because I am Chad, and I want you to suffer, but to give you a better answer, the reason is probably because you're sitting on your ass right now and just wishing, hoping, and dreaming that a cute girl would fall into your arms from the sky, that next time you're outside, she would just notice you and walk up to you and talk to you since you're too much of a pussy to do it yourself, because you're not a fucking conquerer who does it simply out of habit, instead you have been programmed since birth with excuses and sentimental Disney-tier bullshit like: "if it's meant to happen, it will happen", "if you build it she will come", "just be yourself (a worthless asexual cuck) and the right girl will love you for who you are", and other lies. After all this you're surprised that some stupid nigger with no money, no looks, no intelligence, no sensitivity or compassion, no goals or plans for the future, and none of the many other qualities that women find attractive could actually get one simply because he talked to her? You have absolutely no excuse.

And while we're on topic, it's worth mentioning that despite all the kike propaganda that you keep falling for, various studies have shown that white women are more faithful to their own race than white men, and are also the most faithful women out of all races, so I think they do deserve a lot more credit than they get.


 No.98107

There are many things to consider. I've recently been binging on jewtube "prepper" content and learning a lot about various ways to approach and embrace the frugal life. Things like solar energy aren't particularly viable at the moment, but in 5-10 years there likely will be cost effective. Learning to grow food and can/jar things is great as well. >turn your boiler to the lowest setting

>buy a low flow (1.5GPM or lower) shower head

>avoid using gas/electricty for heat if at all possible, just wear more layers instead (if you can't handle 15 celsius in your home with a few layers on you're a fucking pussy)

>have everything plugged into power strip, shut it off whenever the devices aren't in use so they don't use phantom power, have dedicated power strips for each cluster of electronics (most important one by far, can save hundreds per year potentially, this includes things like leaving your phone charger in the wall like a retard)

>consider solar light bulbs, roughly $10-$30, though they only last for ~6 hours and probably aren't that useful if you're a troglodyte used to the dark, typically a grid down device

These are just some electricity saving things I've learned about. 99% of your savings will simply come from eating a proper diet that consists heavily of beans and rice. Any other penny pinching methods honestly pale in comparison to a bare bones bland healthy diet of rice, beans, oats, fruits, and vetetables. I'm trying to find and compile a collection of decent and rare prepper/frugal living books, but some are only possible to find in paperback such as "Simply Prepared: A Guide to Emergency Preparedness and Food Storage". Maybe I might buy it and do scans of it, could be a nice little hobby.


 No.98145

>>98107

>>avoid using gas/electricty for heat if at all

This is almost impossible to do here since the pipes might freeze


 No.98152

>>98107

>this includes things like leaving your phone charger in the wall like a retard

That's much less true now than it was ten years ago, depending on your charger. If a not-in-use A/C adapter isn't warm to the touch, it's using only a penny of electricity a year.

>Any other penny pinching methods honestly pale in comparison to a bare bones bland healthy diet of rice, beans, oats, fruits, and vetetables

No meats? You might survive but you're not going to thrive on a diet like that.




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 No.97973[Reply]

How stupid does someone have to be before they can be recognized as subhuman and thus undeserving of natural rights?

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 No.98080

>>98077

Um, yes they are, sweaty.


 No.98087

>>97973

When they are nescient and incapable of IGNOREance


 No.98089

>>98077

you're welcome to think that but I recommend you behave as if you thought they were, because killing a nigger makes you just as deserving of execution.


 No.98131

>>98089

dont forget killing in selfdefence is ok


 No.98141

>>97973

The criteria for abolition of human rights is a lack of a Y chromosome.




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 No.98123[Reply]

Why don't libertarians respect chaos theory more?

https://mises.org/library/chaos-theory-destroying-mathematical-economics-within-full-edition

It feels like a great way to get out of the old determinism v. free will debate by arguing about whether certain classes of natural phenomena are predictable as opposed to 'predetermined.' You can better incorporate the salients points of Hayek's local knowledge and Mises' calculation arguments. You can point out socialist hubris. Finally, you can actually speak in a harder and more rigorous scientific point of view.



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 No.97975[Reply]

I'm looking for books/articles that depicts in a positive light the libertarian era in the US. In particular I'm fascinated about the rise of big companies, private infrastructures, etc

I can always find hints of this in some books of austrian economists but I'm looking for something more specific and more of a light read.

Do you have any suggestions?

 No.97976

File: 7b884d6e369a69b⋯.jpg (16.85 KB, 477x284, 477:284, Nowhereyoucanrun.jpg)

>>97975

>I'm looking for books/articles that depicts in a positive light the libertarian era in the US. In particular I'm fascinated about the rise of big companies, private infrastructures, etc

I suppose I could suggest the three volume work of "The Economic Mind in American Civilization" but the notion of calling the 1800s (or any era in US history) a "libertarian era" is rather erroneous.

One thing you'll notice with American history in general is that for the most part, liberty is very rarely every gained throughout the course of US history, rather it's slowly lost through a period of a few hundred years to what we have now. This can be noted with the development of the Federal Reserve, the introduction of the income tax, the implications of the Civil War, World War 1, etc etc. That's not to say there's not notable events that contradict this trend (such as the repeal of the alien and sedition acts) but such acts are hardly indicative of US history as a whole.


 No.97977

>>97976

thanks. I know liberty is slowly lost and never gained, but I think in the early period liberty was enough to be considered a libertarian era. The birth of the Federal Reserve was probably the finishing blow.


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 No.98010

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>>97975

David Beito's book From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State: Fraternal Societies and Social Services, 1890-1967 is wonderful and a must read. It actually made me angry reading it, imagining what things could have looked like now before the welfare state came in and killed it off. Vid related is Beito giving a talk about the Voluntary City and Mutual Aid Societies at Libertopia 2010.


 No.98097

File: f693aeb7efea1a4⋯.jpg (72.07 KB, 625x491, 625:491, IMG_0111.JPG)

<TLDR

>1776-1861

The US isn't sure whether it wants to be a Rome or a Greece so to speak and walks the tightrope between a "Old republic" Timocracy and a French / Greek democracy with the US developing capitalism and the South / slave states remaining in sort of a Pseudo-Feudal / Capitalist haze

>1861-65

Lincoln (The liberator) shatters the Feudal / slave power in the south and opens the rest of the country up to capitalist development fully progressing it to a new mode of production

>1900s-???

Class conflicts become more evident / Crisis of capitalism etc




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 No.98044[Reply]

>Zognald signs bill amnestying more slaves who will vote for more gibs which will give the government more control who will terrorize us even more and even more of our freedom and we're too stupid, lazy, and weak to actually fight back and just take all of this up the ass.

 No.98046

yeah, it has been over for a while now, don't worry. Just try to enjoy these last days and that's it.


 No.98059

day of lavos when


 No.98075

>>98059

>day of lavos

sage negated


 No.98082

>>98044

>Zognald

This is so fucking dumb.




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 No.97895[Reply]

Should people have to pay for water?

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 No.97992

>Should people have to pay for water?

"Should people have to pay for ____" always comes down to three simple questions.

1: Is the ____ you're taking somebody else's product?

>yes

2: Is the ____ you're taking a resource from somebody else's land?

>yes

3: Is the ____ you're taking a finite good that would be noticed if mysteriously missing?

>yes

If you want it without paying, ask nicely. People get shot over tampering with streams. Filling a canteen is a different story but the average "I don't wanna pay for stuff" kid probably isn't going hiking any time soon.


 No.98009

Nothing is free thus people can not have rights to free stuff.


 No.98035

>>97992

Hmm. Water flunks two out of three and I don't believe in land.


 No.98063

>>97990

i dont think it is very scarce


 No.98068

>>98063

I think the better argument is that if it was very scarce then it DEFINITELY should require payment.




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 No.97670[Reply]

In ancapistan why wouldn't rich governments just buy all the land?

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 No.97986

>In ancapistan why wouldn't rich governments just buy all the land?

If they're doing so fairly, then they're paying you well enough to buy more land. Likely this isn't the case.

In a land GRAB, the historical habit of claythirsty governments and their cronies, the idea is to get people to "sell" the land for so cheap that they become tenants instead of owners from that moment forward. In other words, the government gains land it does not appropriately trade land for land.

That means coercion, that means aggression, that means McNuke™.


 No.98031

>>97967

yup, they are pretty much inflating the bubble


 No.98032

>>97904

>lose 90%+ of your troops

>declare victory

Truly the Pyrrhus of our time


 No.98034

>>97974

>failed to even capture any significant territory

>what is the entire Republic of Ireland


 No.98036

File: b1a9bb7bde9dbc7⋯.png (226.89 KB, 480x271, 480:271, ClipboardImage.png)

>>98032

>opponent loses 99% of china

>they win




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 No.97927[Reply]

greetings laddingtons

i want to read about s pinochet? what books can you recommend?

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 No.97988

>>97932

it does not


 No.97989

>i want to read about s pinochet? what books can you recommend?

Books about economics and private business instead. They'll serve you more once you're past the LARPing phase of your life.


 No.98002

>>97989

>reading biographies is larping


 No.98013

>>98002

Don't you know? Everything I don't like is LARPing.


 No.98026

>>97989

>dude history is for, like, children

Is that how you justify your ignorance?




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 No.96577[Reply]

Debate the intended message of this ad campaign, and why it's a positive step forward for society.

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 No.97689

File: e1c4c27ff926928⋯.jpg (71.61 KB, 800x533, 800:533, 9I8dsgiXA7g.jpg)

>>97688

>The whole point of abortionists is to keep women from discovering the magic god endowned them with.

>child abuse is not as bad as child murder

AHAHAHA


 No.97691

>>97689

k i murder children now xd


 No.97708

>>97688

What an insightful webm you've included with your post.

>>97691

What an insightful post.


 No.98022

File: 41753b958b49ae2⋯.png (655.24 KB, 1912x2832, 239:354, human pregnancy is so fuck….png)

>>97688

>the magic god endowned them with

Seems he gave most other animals much better "magic".


 No.98023

File: 68f22f098733d07⋯.jpg (34.01 KB, 640x392, 80:49, economic ignorance.jpg)

>>98022

Holy shit, why are christcucks always the ones who take their ignorance up to eleven? That's like all leftist economics but honest and in good faith.




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 No.97732[Reply]

If American Communists pay through GoFundMe and Patreon, Centrists pay through Paypal and Credit/Debit Card, ☭☭European Communists☭☭ pay through WeChat and Yandex Pay, what will /librety/lads pay with?

Bitcoin and Ethereum are excellent alternatives to unreliable (((bank accounts))) that can be closed for being a part of an Alt-Right organization. (see → >>12778968 or http://archive.is/YIAOR) However, not everyone trusts opening a Bitcoin/Ethereum wallet with a clear Chinese entity used by druggies and porn addicts. The time for a /pol/ form of payment is now.

Here is the system I am suggesting… name it “/librety/lend™”

>User 1 wants a product from User 2

>User 1 send paper money directly to /pol/pay with a form attached

>User 2 receives the money physically, User 2 sends the money to his Church

/librety/lads could even give money to other countries. If a German from Berlin needs a product from America. The American could send his money to /librety/lend, /librety/lend HAM radio’s /librety/lend Berlin, and /librety/pay Berlin sends the money to the German. /librety/lend Berlin would be supplied the money in advance by investors.

Essentially, /liberty/lend is a underground bank network. Money comes in and proxy money comes out. The money is shipped in a special envelope that cannot show the money inside with a heat scanner.

It’s the perfect money exchange system for /librety/lads across the world.

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 No.97938

>>97733

There's an excellent 200ish page book on how the government will raid your home even in a foreign country if you do just that and how others have tried something similar. I'll post it tonight if I can find the pdf.


 No.97993

File: 39418489c99d07d⋯.pdf (625.83 KB, New Private Monies - Kevin….pdf)

>>97938

Here we go, this is the one I was thinking of.


 No.98008

I have never heard of a more ridiculous critique about using cryptocurrencies. It's code. It doesn't matter what it's mostly used for. Most drugs and criminal activities are exchanged with USD and yet nobody cares about that.

In fact when internet began being a thing, it was mostly used for porn and drugs. So people had a very similar perception that the people who use that new technology are criminals/weirdos.

Sending cash is illegal, slow and your money can be taken away at border control.

Crypto is the perfect money when people actually start using it and its value stabilizes.


 No.98015

>>98008

The issue is Crypto grows too big and then proceeds to collapse in on itself due to people treating it like a stock market instead of using it as currency.


 No.98020

>>98015

That's an issue that the market will solve given time. Since BTC and other crypto is used primarily as a store of value and investment tool rather than as a standard of exchange, there isn't a lot of market demand for it to be stable–while it has more than its share of problems, USD is still stable enough that people don't have any issue using it to clear short-term transactions. If and when USD, the euro, the yen, or some other major currency becomes less suitable as a currency due to instability or some other failing, there will be more market pressure on crypto speculators and arbitrageurs to provide a stable price, as people start using crypto as a currency and not just as a store of value.




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