/liberty/ - Liberty

does class cause more division than nationality or race?

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the liberty of those who don't want it?

In the end a decently informed libertarian knows more about socialism than socialists themselves, but unlike socialists he also knows about capitalism too. This means that you, as a libertarian, can easily become a big defender and promoter of socialism.

Then with all those books/speaking/tv royalties/politics money, you can buy whatever you want, maybe even some land somewhere where you can build a libertarian utopia, if you still believe in it. But why buying land? You could just use your influence in the State to wage war and conquer lands for yourself. Or buy some cocaine and some prostitutes, who cares? Just enjoy the fruit of those cucks who want you to rule over them.

Honestly, it's a complete waste of time trying to let people know about the advantages and the morality of liberty. These people refuse liberty for themselves and others. Marx and associates gave us an exceptional tool to pilot the masses to work for our personal interests. Voluntary slavery. Think about it: if you were to cause suffering among the people with your socialist policies, it would be their choice. You would basically make socialist suffer while you run all the way to the (swiss) bank with their money. It's them who decided to vote for you, after you promised to put their neighboors down in order to make them all equal. They wanted evil, you just capitalized on it.

Of course there will be some innocent victims, but who really cares? It's nothing compared to the enormous amount of statists that will suffer. You will make them poor slowly, day after day. A taste of their own medicine.

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna join the local social-democratic party today.

What do you think about democracy?

Have any of you read some of the policy proposals coming from the Democratic candidates for 2020? I mean, Sanders is already known to be a socialist, but Yang, holy fucking shit. This stuff reads like dystopian nightmare fuel, and I'm not even touching the UBI stuff. I really encourage you guys to read this stuff, it's fucking insane. I mean, I'm an autistic weeb lolbertarian, and I think this guy has out-autismed ME for fucks sake.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/human-capitalism/

>In order to spur development, the government should issue a new currency – the Digital Social Credit – which can be converted into dollars and used to reward people and organizations who drive significant social value. This new currency would allow people to measure the amount of good that they have done through various programs and actions.

>Imagine an AI life coach with the voice of Oprah or Tom Hanks trying to help parents stay together or raise kids. Or a new Legion of Builders and Destroyers that install millions of solar panels across the country, upgrade our infrastructure and remove derelict buildings while also employing tens of thousands of workers. Or a digital personalized education subscription that is constantly giving you new material and grouping you with a few other people who are studying the same thing. Or a wearable device that monitors your vital signs and sends data to your doctor while recommending occasional behavior changes. Or voting securely in your local elections via your smartphone without any worry of fraud.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/free-marriage-counseling/

I have no comment on this.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/modern-time-banking/

>As President, I will…

> Create a new time banking app to track points awarded and traded for helping your community and neighbors

> Donate aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

where does /liberty/ stand on individualism and collectivism?

where does this quote come from

>Only 24% of people who reported sexual fantasies about children also reported sexual contact with children. (This number is not mentioned in the study, but can be easily calculated using the data in Table 1: (38+49)/358.)

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i saved the quote but i should have saved whole webpage

the webpage was linked in /hebe/ or/and /phile/

im posting in in this board for i think this board is visited by /hebe/ and/or /phile/ anons

In the late 50s, Sweden used to be very socialistic. Their economy was stagnant, regulations were at a much higher level than today, and taxes and regulations looked like they were going to keep increasing. Intellectually, the scene looked even more dire. The socialist-lite Swedish economist Gunnar-Myrdal had recently won the Nobel prize in economics, and there seemed to be no intellectual light at the end of the tunnel for a more liberal economic theory to be plausible in Sweden.

But then, abruptly, things changed coursed. Sweden deregulated at a massive rate. The size and scope of the government decreased dramatically. Now Sweden is among the top ten in its economic freedom score.

What happened? How did libertarianism win in Sweden?

/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

This thread is for discussion of property rights, self-determination, natural order, right-libertarianism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Left-Libertarians, Cosmopolitan freaks, Open borders cucks and other assorted libertine degenerates need to fuck off.

>LIBERTARIANISM DOES NOT MEAN OPEN BORDERS, MORAL DEGRADATION, HYPER-INDIVIDUALISM OR LAWLESS CHAOS. /lrg/ IS THE A STAND AGAINST THE LEFT-LIBERTARIAN AND ANTI-MORAL LIBERTARIAN MENACE, DON'T COME HERE PREACHING THAT GARBAGE AND DONT ASSUME WE SUPPORT THOSE LOSERS.

Questions are welcome, however many are repeated often. We advise you research the basics before asking.

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RECOMMENDED MATERIAL:

>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard)

https://mises.org/library/anatomy-state

>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard)

https://mises.org/library/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto

>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

>Bump for Life, Liberty, and Private Death Squads

how will people solve 5G problem in ancap? is sending 5G radiation into someone's property a violation of NAP? will in ancap people defend their properties with counter-radiation or some kind of a shield? okay G5 radiation is (probably) not unhealthy but in ancap we will have many crazy tinfoilhat people i hope

Thoughts?

After a couple of months of lurking this forum and reading pretty much every thread I came to the conclusion that many of you (fortunately not the majority) are basically white supremacists who don't like to pay taxes, not even to help the poor white people.

Even Austin Petersen brings up the fact that many white supremacists use Libertarianism as a cover for their racist beliefs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKkv8OS0MY

The Hoppe memes betray your authoritarianism. Why do you fascist faggots who want to ban abortion, drugs, workers rights and homosexuality call yourselves libertarians? Makes no sense.

Well the Deep State is very alive in San Francisco and ran a pyscologicol operation on me and yes think Manchurian Candidate scenario in play? Well wrong guy for sure and safe I am and exposing it I will.

In the future, the world is run by a single planetary government, new laws declare all people to now be no longer legally considered human, except Males whose Genetics are 75% or Greater West-European, 75% or Greater East-Asian, or are 50% West-European and 50% East Asian.

Females and those who were not White or Yellow became less than animals, they now had the same legal status as inanimate objects with no value whatsoever, anything could be done to them, and they could become the property of any West-European or East-Asian Male, if that occurred, they'd have some measure of protection in the same way any piece of property receives legal protection from the property rights of the owner, however, this offers nothing in the way of the property's protections from their owner, or from anyone acting with the owner's consent.

The planetary government had segregated the planet according to race, giving the West-Europeans exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the East-Asians, and giving the East-Asians exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the West-Europeans, no member of one of these two races is permitted to immigrate into the territory of the other race, though visitation is permitted, Half-Breeds between the two races may immigrate between both of these territories, being the only ones permitted to do so, but they are also forbidden from working within any government positions, being the only racial group to face such a limitation.

The only laws of the planetary government that now exist (for those they still apply to), are the laws of the Non-Aggression Principle, meaning that the only crimes are property crimes and crimes against the person, the principles of consent and ownership form the foundation of all laws, this means that crimes like murder and theft are all that remain, and everything else, such as intellectual property and any limitations on the freedom of expression, animal rights, labor rights, and even the age of consent have all been completely abolished, this means that things such as cannibalism, necrophilia, incest, pedophilia, and bestiality have all been permanently legalized, since the laws cannot be changed by anyone, even those at the highest levels of power are rendered powerless to make a sinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

I am a libertarian in every sense except for IP, I just can’t fathom a world in which you toil at your notebook all day, week, month, year, etc and in the very end, when you finally get to show it to the world, someone else who’s more popular finds it and publishes it as their own. How is that ok?

I’ve been told that it is because you can’t own an idea since they are infinite, but how is this when every human has an expiry date, as well as the human race? You can only come up with a finite amount of ideas since all humans are finite, thus you should be able to own your ideas.

I’ve also been told that it would democratize media, but does this not just mean the death of cannon? I’m not saying that community-made, public domain projects where anyone can make anything and it’s cannon don’t work, but I think that all media can’t work that way. The reason why stories work is because they are the culmination of one mind’s nearly 100% cohesive ideas brought together. Why do you think most novels are written by one person most of the time? If everything became an SCP like project, it would be very boring. Also aren’t we as libertarians supposed to hate democracy, valuing monarchy over it? Does it not seem a little pragmatic or hypocritical?

What are we to do about stolen ideas? Since there is no system of IP protection, are people just allowed to take ideas other people made and take the credit and money for it? If I write a song and a family member steals the lyrics from me and release it as a hit single, making millions off of the words I wrote, is that ok?

What if someone outside of ancapistan has their idea stolen? Are they supposed to let this transgression of their “state-granted” IP rights go unpunished?

You might wonder “who would enforce this?” Would it not be the same private courts enforcing property rights?

Please give me your best arguments against IP rights, and keep in mind that all questions I may ask are in good faith. I’m genuinely interested, and willing to change my opinion on IP rights.

I am a libertarian in every sense except for IP, I just can’t fathom a world in which you toil at your notebook all day, week, month, year, etc and in the very end, when you finally get to show it to the world, someone else who’s more popular finds it and publishes it as their own. How is that ok?

I’ve been told that it is because you can’t own an idea since they are infinite, but how is this when every human has an expiry date, as well as the human race? You can only come up with a finite amount of ideas since all humans are finite, thus you should be able to own your ideas.

I’ve also been told that it would democratize media, but does this not just mean the death of cannon? I’m not saying that community-made, public domain projects where anyone can make anything and it’s cannon don’t work, but I think that all media can’t work that way. The reason why stories work is because they are the culmination of one mind’s nearly 100% cohesive ideas brought together. Why do you think most novels are written by one person most of the time? If everything became an SCP like project, it would be very boring. Also aren’t we as libertarians supposed to hate democracy, valuing monarchy over it? Does it not seem a little pragmatic or hypocritical?

What are we to do about stolen ideas? Since there is no system of IP protection, are people just allowed to take ideas other people made and take the credit and money for it? If I write a song and a family member steals the lyrics from me and release it as a hit single, making millions off of the words I wrote, is that ok?

What if someone outside of ancapistan has their idea stolen? Are they supposed to let this transgression of their “state-granted” IP rights go unpunished?

You might wonder “who would enforce this?” Would it not be the same private courts enforcing property rights?

Please give me your best arguments against IP rights, and keep in mind that all questions I may ask are in good faith. I’m genuinely interested, and willing to change my opinion on IP rights.