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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.104022[Reply]

jakub bożydar wiśniewski at tom woods'



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 No.104009[Reply]

When did cuc/k/s became /pol/?

 No.104021

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>>104009

When Greeceball was made a volunteer instead of Newsbot.




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 No.103959[Reply]

>Richard Lynn's most recent numbers, from 2019 and this book

>http://www.ulsterinstitute.org/intellofnations.html

What are the implications of this data for libertarianism and the people that like /liberty/? Is there a necessary IQ threshold for caring about abstractions like democracy and freedom?

 No.103975

>>103959

>democracy

>freedom

choose one


 No.103983

anons is it a good idea to take mexicana girl as wife? she has usa citizenship while im an european

she might be intelligent but what about regression to the mean when it comes to offspring? :(




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 No.103946[Reply]

Well?

 No.103947

>>103946

Georgism and Distributism don't exist. It's just socialist astroturfing. I know all of one IRL honest-to-god Georgist, and he even agrees that every single time he hears people discussing Georgism they turn out to be god damn commies.


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>>103946

worked in Taiwan


 No.103976

>>103947

How can you prove that?




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 No.103966[Reply]

Jesus, this book is like someone took those ancap ball memes, thought the strawmans were 100% real, and made a whole book out of it.

 No.103968

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>>103966

At least he made money off of it. Jokes on you, ancuck.


 No.103969

>>103968

Yeah, giving props to her by proving Ancap right




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 No.103686[Reply]

We're about due for yet another Cockshott post. So, I thought I'd pre-empt it with a low-effort shitpost. Blabla, Cockshott is a genius who proved LVT and how WRONG Bohm-Bawerk was. :|

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 No.103784

>>103779

It's actually more of an in-joke. We have Cockshott threads with usually the same videos and same arguments so many times here.


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>Cockbutt


 No.103962

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>>103847

>For simplicity, we are going to ignore capital, investments, and savings

That Cockshott is a comedian.




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 No.101810[Reply]

What is the difference between (relatively) free societies like the USA and Japan when it comes to culture? Why is it that Americans never really developed a unique culture despite having a lot of time and freedom to do so, but the Japanese were always a culturally rich nation, even well into the 21st century?

My own theory is that it's partly because of generational wealth and property rights, I don't believe it has anything to do with their race or with some super secret way they were brought up or any of that bullshit.

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 No.103950

>>103948

Or, to use a more contemporary example: anime is the direct result of Japs being influenced by American Disney cartoons post-WWII. The stylistic connection between the two is obvious. Yet no one will say that anime is American, or that it's not Japanese.


 No.103954

>>101810

>Why is it that Americans never really developed a unique culture

What is Blue Grass, Blues, and Funk music culture? Blue-jean wearing panhandlers? Cajun culture?


 No.103955

>>103954

Americans don't have A culture.

They have a lot of them.


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>>103941

Get with the times, gramps. Anime and manga are clearly superior to the cultural output from the West. You really prefer Marvel capeshit? I applaud the nips for being able to resist the extensive self-censorship and social science insanity that has afflicted Western countries. Cute girls are even taboo over here.


 No.104011

>>103944

I have a hard time pointing to a Japanese figure whose art, prose, poetry, politics, inventions, etc. did not draw mainly on Chinese heritage.




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 No.98545[Reply]

Why has capitalism lost the ideological battle AGAINAND AGAINoh and also that other timerepeatedlythroughout historywe never seem to learn? The younger generation is now majority commie ( https://archive.is/W2jEr ). I mean, dear lord, I'm not even sure this board has a majority of capitalist posters anymore. What the fuck happened? Why can't capitalism defend itself ideologically? And how the fuck do I prepare for the breadlines under the neo-bolshevik uprising? Something more useful than "Grab SK, go inna woods" or "go workout/be stoic" pls.

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 No.103908

>>103905

You're never going to not be polarize in a mass democracy. The more power the state has the more inevitable polarization becomes, as the federal government becomes that much more bigger a prize to win.

>Absolute capitalism with no regulations just leads to monopolies and less freedom

That's objectively wrong, but this isn't the thread to have that argument. Most of the catalog is filled with elaborations as to why it's wrong.

>State run companies within the free market

That's what we have now and it's a shithole.

>and a choice on what you pay your taxes towards, therefore allowing the people to control the budget.

First, it's wishful thinking to believe that "the people" ever have power in a democracy. They are vote and tax cattle, and the incentives of democracy are such that this is all they will ever be. Second, if you really want "the people" to choose how they spend their money, you'd take out the coercive and highly inefficient middleman of the state and allow them to spend their own money directly. You can know, by choosing what products to buy and what not to buy. If you don't believe they're capable of doing it this, then you don't actually want "the people" to have control over the their own lives. If you don't actually value "the people" spending their own money how they see fit, then the whole premise behind allowing them to decide on line items in the budget is rendered irrelevant.


 No.103911

>>103908

>First, it's wishful thinking to believe that "the people" ever have power in a democracy.

You make a good point, I'mma go sit in the corner and think for a bit.


 No.103918

>>103908

>that much more bigger

My apologies for typing like a retard.


 No.103940

>>103850

That was exactly the idea. IRS insurance would be so lucrative and powerful. Plus DEA and ATF insurance. Plus, since it's peer-funded, it's basically an investment account outside of the government's reach. It could form a financial backbone fit a whole new services market. Provide ways for insurers to hire liability limitation professionals, and eventually people can hire private security forces to protect themselves from the state, though that won't come for a while.


 No.103956

>>103822

>The lesson I take from this is to never be so arrogant as to think you can be the one to handle power. Power corrupts all.

I take it as those who seek power tend to be already be corrupt rather than those who take power become corrupt.




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 No.103945[Reply]

Well?



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 No.98742[Reply]

There is a movement to divide Washington state and create a new state called Liberty

>Creation of new state strictly by gun rights activists

>75% of Eastern WA population supports movement, has congressional backing with multiple bills

>low tax obligations-“government doesn’t produce or own wealth—citizens do”

>”The right to manage and protect life and property will be honored at all levels of government.”

>Currently a voting contest for what the official state rifle will be

https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/split-washington-in-two-51st-state-movement-highlights-cultural-divide

https://libertystate.org

https://libertystate.org/about/grievances/

The creation of a new state is constitutional

>Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States allows for the division of a state with a simple majority vote of the Legislature of the state and Congress:

>“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

>https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-iv

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>>103447

What's sad is that this is true. Polarization is a powerful thing.


 No.103902

>>103757

The name antifa amuses me, I mean, they're using fascist tactics to "quell fascism."


 No.103912

>>103890

Their website doesn't go into specifics on the panels they host there. Last time I paid any attention to the festival in 2018, they had panels such as "Libertarian Feminism", a fellow from "Muslims for Liberty" harping on about the evils of immigration enforcement, live recordings of "The Anarchist Shemale", attempts to refute "contradictions" between freedom and property, and other such left-libertarian nonsense. Previous years included such marvels as "The Big Gay Dance Party" and "The Polyamory Panel." This festival has long ceased to endorse anything resembling private property norms, and has simply become an excuse for libertines to indulge in their debauchery under the guise of libertarianism. The fact that they invited Jeffrey Tucker to speak does little to dissuade this impression.


 No.103915

>>103912

Well that's disappointing.


 No.103938

>>103912

>Jeffrey Tucker

Wikipedia says that he "is an American economics writer of the Austrian School, an advocate of anarcho-capitalism and Bitcoin, a publisher of libertarian books, a conference speaker, and an internet entrepreneur."

Doesn't sound so bad.




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 No.103893[Reply]

>"get away from politics for some time and go out bro"

Yeah I tried for a few months and I went almost crazy. I really need this stuff, I don't know why. It helps keeping me sane even if it's not my job.

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>>103907

>a phd in anarcho capitalism

Is that real?


 No.103910

>>103909

If it is that's just retarded and self-defeating.


 No.103913

>>103909

Figure of speech.


 No.103934

>>103904

The sad part is in the trades there's plenty of normalfags who hold fringe political beliefs, but getting them to talk about them is a whole different ballgame. And when your opinions are more fringe than them, basically as you said.


 No.103936

>>103934

You could partially circumvent this by finding online communities centered around locales. I don't know to what degree this is possible with Austrian Econ and liberty, but it works very well in the firearm community. Almost every state has a message board dedicated to firearm owners residing in that state. Ancap might be a bit too fringe for this, but I'm not sure.




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 No.103848[Reply]

>Today's anti-civilization is a mix of economic authoritarianism ("do whatever you are told") and social infantilism ("be whatever you want"). Civilization requires the very opposite: a mix of economic libertarianism ("do what you want") and social maturity ("be what you ought").

>Hence the following one-sentence recipe for civilizational revival: get rid of scientism and "postmodernism" in favor of Aristotelian Thomism, get rid of legal positivism in favor of natural and common law, and get rid of social democratic statism in favor of classical liberalism/libertarianism.

but what is aristotelian thomism? believing in objective truth, beauty, goodness?



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 No.103839[Reply]

Are leftists EVER going to notice the connection between inequality and the FED? I'm really getting annoyed about how even so much as auditing the fuckers has gone nowhere. Instead, more and more attention gets forced on just increasing taxation even more.

 No.103842

They'll say the same thing whether they are notice cause and effect or not. Whining about inequality is a tool to raise taxes and grab power, not to fix any sort of problems. Not that I mean to imply that inequality is any kind of genuine problem, of course.


 No.103843

It works that way in Nationstates, but one graph doesn’t suffice to prove works that way in real life. Instead of notice-bitching, learn to construct speculative causal constructs. Where but Nationstates would you even notice this? The defenders of the gold standard never mentioned egalitarianism when they were allowed for a time to pretend integrity mattered in governance. So if you did get this from Nationstates, notice, if you’re going to be obedient to one random simulator for your egalitarian policy guidance, you can still do better than nakedly asserting the correlation.

I have this one in the uncertainty bucket because I haven’t come up with a speculative causal construct for it.


 No.103844

>>103842

Without a concern for inequality how the blazes can someone be libertarian? Flat power distribution is the ultimate guarantor of rights. That’s a big part of why we support gun rights! Chunk egalitarianism out of libertarianism and you’ll eventually lose your guns.


 No.103845

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>>103844

Equality is a false god, and incompatible with the market economy. The division of labor, by definition, necessitates that men are not created equal, that some are more capable and some are less. To deny this is to deny reality, which is why Rothbard called egalitarianism a revolt against nature; the man wrote a whole book on the subject. I don't support gun rights out of a desire for "equality" or any other leftist nonsense. I wish to own guns so that I might defend myself.




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 No.103348[Reply]

Libercucks, once the goverment stops protecting you, how will survive? There will be no police to enforce laws that protect you from niggers, commies, fascists, etc

>inb4 i will teleport behind them and shoot them in a milion pieces with my mcnuke

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 No.103396

>>103353

>then why has violence fallen dramatically over the last 300 years? has society becomes more societal?

I am very skeptical. The 20th century was one of the most violent in the history of mankind.

Other than that, yes, people have become more societal overall, we are taught how to get along with each other more than we used to, and in fact more than is good for us. Unironically, people these days are too complacent. Just a few weeks ago, I was told by a social worker that I have no right to self-defense, that is how complacent people are. The very idea that sometimes, violence might be a solution, is appalling to many.

>>103348

>There will be no police to enforce laws that protect you from niggers, commies, fascists, etc

The laws don't protect you, the police does (currently, more on that soon). South Africa, Honduras, Germany and Sweden have esentially the same legal protection against homicide, yet their homicide rates a very different. The reason is partially culture, partially that the police in Germany and Sweden actually does its job (kinda). There are many factors that influence crime rates, the law isn't one. To act like "the law" mysteriously protects you as soon as the police enforce it is to get things exactly backwards, it's the police that protects you by enforcing the laws, not the law protecting you by being enforced by the police. You got me? To say otherwise is essentially allegorical. There is nothing wrong with it 90% of the time, but this discussion is the rest of the 10%.

Now, after we've hopefully settled the semantics, let me point out that ancaps are big fans of personal armament precisely because it enables you to defend yourself from niggers and commies, and that we have always maintained that a private police works. There are several historical examples, from the railway police to some startup firm in America that was set up by cops who got sick of how inefficient the police force was. Throughout thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.103397

>>103378

You're assuming they'd have a monopoly on violence. If they start demanding too much, you can leave them and join another company. If you can't, then that still doesn't suggest they'll be untouchable. You *might* end up with a mafia, but that can be the case even now. Mexico has a mafia and it's not lacking in government, and the Chicago Police Department has acted like a mafia in the past (probably still does). The police department in my town of birth has bossed my family around more than any mafia in the area.

>>103362

Its track record when it comes to protecting my family is also abysmal. My family was once asked by the DA to take care of the store of a neighbor who was put in custody for selling drugs. So we did, but that meant selling much of his inventory. We talked about this with his lawyer, and he gave it his okay. We assumed the lawyer knew what he was talking about.

A rather short time later, our neighbor got out. He threatened us at least three times, and each time, the police took way too long to respond. First time, they didn't come at all when I called them, just laughed in my face and pretty much told me I deserved it for hanging out with drug dealers (at the request of the DA?). My mother had to call them, they arrived an hour after the guy was gone. Second time, two cops came, they seemed like two genuinely nice guys, but they couldn't do anything, apparently. Third time, my mother had to tell them the history we have with the neighbor including the deal we had with the DA, our family history, her blood group and the history of Constantinople in the 4th century before they would come.

Last time I called the cops was on a different matter. This time, they charged me for protecting myself, and their police reports were worthless. They didn't even know what the area looked like. It was clear they didn't want to work on the case, and yet they did.

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>>103397

>My family was once asked by the DA to take care of the store of a neighbor

Why was your family obligated (or forced?) to manage your neighbor's business?


 No.103425

>>103423

We weren't obligated. We could've denied the request, but back then, we didn't think it was that much of a big deal, and we certainly didn't expect such a big shitstorm from developing out of it. Most importantly, we didn't think the DA would fuck us over so badly. You'd think if you responded to their request, they'd actually care a little bit about your wellbeing, but no. Nothing. There is very little loyalty in the public sector.


 No.103835

>>103348

kike tier double-post. reported




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 No.103133[Reply]

Will the U.S. ever declare its independence from Israel?

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 No.103803

>>103622

/pol/ is variable, some are straight cappies


 No.103804

>>103710

You're right. classical liberals arent. Neolibs are just fiscally conservative social liberals


 No.103809

>>103803

I feel like most of the pro-market /pol/acks have moved away from the board and don't lurk or post there all that often. Purity spiraling has turned it into a NEETSoc circlejerk.

>>103804

>Neolibs are just fiscally conservative social liberals

Assuming you mean the old definition of neoliberal instead of the contemporary one (which may be defined as "blue neocon"), I wouldn't say that's really true. Neoliberals in the vein of Mises were more apathetic on social issues than they were socially left. They didn't virtue-signal for faggotry and didn't demand that people break freedom of association to accomadate it, they just didn't care enough to expend effort in opposing it. This attitude of apathy, however, created the environment that allowed the faggotphiliacs to gain influence.


 No.103811

>>103809

>Purity spiraling has turned it into a NEETSoc circlejerk.

Stupid question, but how could we possibly utilize this effect to turn something into an ancap circlejerk?


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>>103811

How exactly would one purify spiral in ancap? It's already based on first principles that are followed without exception, caveat, or contradiction. It's rather hard to purity spiral when you've already taken your premises to the most radical conclusion (as Rand said: "Extremist? I am merely consistent in my convictions"). The only way we can really purity spiral from here is to start unironically advocating for ancap ball-tier interpretations of the NAP.




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