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Ya'll need Mises.

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Have any of you read some of the policy proposals coming from the Democratic candidates for 2020? I mean, Sanders is already known to be a socialist, but Yang, holy fucking shit. This stuff reads like dystopian nightmare fuel, and I'm not even touching the UBI stuff. I really encourage you guys to read this stuff, it's fucking insane. I mean, I'm an autistic weeb lolbertarian, and I think this guy has out-autismed ME for fucks sake.


>In order to spur development, the government should issue a new currency – the Digital Social Credit – which can be converted into dollars and used to reward people and organizations who drive significant social value. This new currency would allow people to measure the amount of good that they have done through various programs and actions.

>Imagine an AI life coach with the voice of Oprah or Tom Hanks trying to help parents stay together or raise kids. Or a new Legion of Builders and Destroyers that install millions of solar panels across the country, upgrade our infrastructure and remove derelict buildings while also employing tens of thousands of workers. Or a digital personalized education subscription that is constantly giving you new material and grouping you with a few other people who are studying the same thing. Or a wearable device that monitors your vital signs and sends data to your doctor while recommending occasional behavior changes. Or voting securely in your local elections via your smartphone without any worry of fraud.


I have no comment on this.


>As President, I will…

> Create a new time banking app to track points awarded and traded for helping your community and neighbors

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>How does any of these neuanced policies help us other than putting more power in the hands of the state?

>You've already established a new state sales tax on Amazon stuff that increases costs of goods. All new taxes go on the shoulder of consumers.

I think OP is making fun of Yang's policies, not supporting them.


Where programs from the past this insane or is it a new and scary tendency?



I don't know. I mean, there are plenty of insane things in history, though. Like that time Caligula went to war with Poseidon.



Some socialist shit in the 20th century got pretty bad, but this insane level of government intervention is a comparatively new idea historically. The state didn't even exist as we know it until the 1600s, and even after that rulers were relatively hands-off compared to contemporary ones.


> I mean, there are plenty of insane things in history, though. Like that time Caligula went to war with Poseidon.

That's largely an ahistorical legend, created by successive mistranslations. The original order was to tear down huts on the coast of Britain, which got misinterpreted as collecting seashells as trophies, due to the similarity in the word for seashell and the slang for the legion's portable huts. Then someone took collecting seashells as trophies to mean that Caligula was collecting war trophies from Neptune.


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Is he ancap?

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Just glancing at the table of contents…

There's not very much surprising here. Members of different groups tend to act with an in-group preference towards that group. Different groups have different characteristics imparted onto them by biology. These aren't earth-shattering facts, and they have no unilateral implications where policy is concerned.

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Does anyone else like the book "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World?" Any other Brownouters?


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No but that title sounds like "how I accepted being a slave" unless it's about doing illegal stuff. Is it? If yes I will read


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The Table of Contents should answer your question pretty swiftly. You should also read the whole book.



Ayy thanks!

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Hai fren! I made a new tor board called VileChan, please come over because it would make ver me happy.




The link goes nowhere OP



Can't say I've tested the link but you should try using the onion router, as that's what it's meant for. That is unless you tried that and it just didn't work out, in which case wew lads.



damn, im glad you explained what tor meant to people here.


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You betcha fren

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>Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, Galicia, Austria-Hungary (Ukrainian : Lviv, now Ukraine).

Should this concern me?

Do I have any guarantee that he was not informed by malicious talmudism, given that he was probably exposed to it? Everything he wrote certainly seems to counter it.

>You're just a /pol/ anti-semite

The NWO is overwhelmingly Jewish. The Frankfurt school is the Genesis of our present statist situation. Obviously you're not a member of the NWO by virtue of being born a heeb

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>It takes more than racism to be right-wing you commie.

I would go a step further and say that racialism is left-wing. It's an essential aspect of leftism that it alienates persons from themselves, isolating some fact about them and reducing them to it. Communism reduces persons to their class, feminism to their gender, civic nationalism ultimately to their linguistic group. How, then, is it not leftist to reduce people to their race? Not to mention that it's no doubt leftist when the SJW's do it. No one calls them right-wing just because they care more about race than anyone else, and it's not just because they love and hate the opposite of what white supremacists love and hate, as it's easy enough to envision a black supremacist group that is right-wing in every other regard.

Race realism, meanwhile, is right-wing. If race has a bearing on our person, then as right-wingers, we must acknowledge it, but we mustn't reduce people to their race, which is what the racialists do.



wtf I love the state now


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Fuck off, Johnson. No one gives a fuck about your watered-down egalitarian libertarianism. I discriminate against whiteoids as much as I want.



Go back to trannypol, boot licker



What an unbelievable moron you are.

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It surprises me that socialists don't understand how they're responsible for how wages have stagnated for the past 50 years.

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I can find more graphs to support this thesis. Something happened in 1971.




pic 1. Johnson's Great Socoiety beginning in 1964

pic 2. Termination of the Bretton Woods system in 1971, which leads to…

pic 3. Debt Bubble buoyed by the petrodollar

This is just a simplified model of events and there are many more causes and factors in play.



>The gap between productivity and compensation is the largest it's been in 40 years

>This proves that compensation tracks productivity perfectly, and people are just getting paid in benefits instead of cash



The graph is closer than the one in OP, suggesting that compensation has been much closer to productivity than is otherwise implied. The reason for the gap may be found in the fact that a large portion of nonwage compensation is state mandated–workers don't have the option to select a job which pays entirely in cash rather than benefits because such jobs have been legislated out of existence. Since every worker must receive part of his compensation as benefits that aren't perfectly substitutable with one another, every potential worker who wishes to quit one job in order to seek another, better-paying one faces switching costs–there's some uncertainty as to whether or not the benefits received at the new job will be better or worse than the ones in the current job, as one cannot wholly discern the quality of benefits before experiencing them. Further, one cannot accumulate benefits in savings the way cash can be, which means that there is no stockpile of benefits on which one can draw during periods of frictional unemployment the way you can with cash. All of these factors mean that being compensated with benefits rather than cash makes workers less flexible with their employment decisions, and thus much more wage-inelastic. This results in them being willing to accept a lower wage when the government mandates them to take a portion of payment in benefits rather than wages. And this increased inelasticity is the reason for the increasing gap between productivity and compensation.

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Recently I've decided to widen my horizons and see what lalala-libertarians and other cucks are up to in my country, and they are really fucking cucked beyond belief.

I'm talking about people supporting filtering the web, censoring "fake news", unlimited migration, feminism and other degeneracies. And these are not just some young guys on the internet but people with a following, even older people who have been screwed by the State and the same mechanism they support (censorship).

At this point I say fuck them. What's even the point of supporting liberty if even those who supposedly support liberty are anti-liberty?

This battle has already been lost. I need a way to get out, psychologically, and put my efforts in other things.

The truth is that I feel powerless, so I don't want to just not associate myself with liberty, I want to become powerful and influence the world towards less liberty just for my gain.

Sorry for blogposting, I'm sure some of you may have been in a similar situation before


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>The truth is that I feel powerless, so I don't want to just not associate myself with liberty, I want to become powerful and influence the world towards less liberty just for my gain.

And join the dark side, the side of trannies fucking themselves in the ass with a ten inch dildo just for fun, all subsidized by the tax payer? In that case, you deserve to feel as hopeless as you do. Have you considered that? Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, faggots who want to join the tyrants don't deserve to live in a libertarian paradise in the first place?

Let me tell you something, anon: You are probably an alright guy, who has busied himself with politics for far too long. I see that time and time again, more often than I used to, and it's beginning to annoy me, big time. Just take up a fucking hobby and go to Church on Sundays, then watch a show and forget all about political analysis as you do so. Find a girl you love, and make plans to have wonderful children, for the sake of it, not to "uphold your race" or win some demographic war, just because you like the idea of going to playgrounds with your children and watching them laugh. Then you will gain both a newfound appreciation for doing good, because you don't want a world that poisons your children, and you will also begin to look at things once again without your political glasses on. The political order may be shit, but the entire point of libertarianism is that the political order is not everything. You have a life, anon. Don't waste it being gloomy about election results like a faggot. Leave that to the left.

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you're right, if I wasn't completely unsatisfied with my life I wouldn't even care about politics. After all I started caring only when I became unsatisfied.


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Got you buddy. As I said, do something more fun and uplifting for a bit, lift your spirits up, then go back to the politics. The world is actually a very nice place to live in, we have flowers and shit and lots of kind people, even with all the trannies and antifa around. Do it for the flowers and for Beppo, the kind janitor. Don't let them down.

Also, yes, I can actually be that sappy. Love myself some damn flowers.


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The other faggot is right. Take a break for a while, or find a creative outlet, if all you do is consume politics all day while being powerless to change anything yourself, you're setting yourself up for depression. The political situation in your country can radically change for the better like it changed in mine, so don't assume it's all fucked just yet, maybe everyone is just waiting for a hero who's not afraid to put himself out there and call out the hypocrites, maybe you could become that hero.

Now having said that, get the fuck outta with your blackpill bullshit and come back when you don't sound like a bitch, I will not help you indulge in negativity, and I'm ashamed to post on the same board with such hopeless fucking pussies.

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What point distinctively separates a duel from a physical altercation in AnCapistan? If someone waves a gun at you/calls you a faggot and you proceed to pull out your own gun and tell then to back off, is it self defense against an NAP violation or is it escalating the situation and providing consent to a fight? What if the whole neighborhood insists you agreed to a duel but you only did so because you were coerced into accepting it?

tl;dr- At what point does it stop being an NAP violation and start becoming you being a little bitch in a consensual beat down when someone riles you up/picks a fight with you?

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There's a pretty clear-cut difference between defending yourself from aggression in the present and initiating aggression against someone who has wronged you in the past. I'm not saying that vigilante justice is morally wrong, mind you, but it is a NAP violation.


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A threat of violence is a NAP violation. Just like in the US right now, you have full authority to act first to shoot a thug pointing a gun at you. Also just like right now, an investigation would be held to determine if the force was justified. The difference is that the investigative body isn't a state monopoly.







You're missing the deeper meaning. It's not about whether it is an NAP violation or not, but what variable allows someone to ignore the NAP violation. Clearly ignoring it implies either…

>A) The individual does not recognize it as an NAP violation

>B) The individual recognizes it as an NAP violation but allows it anyways

If A, one can ask "why is it not?" If B, the important question is which variable is making the individual ignore a clear violation of the NAP? Did the guy have it coming? Is it retribution? Is society filled with people who hate the NAP and don't follow it? (If the latter, they must have some system of morality/ethics otherwise society would cease to exist, but in AnCapistan, why WOULD they have a competing set of ethics/how did it survive to let it flourish in society while also allowing a flourishing society?)

These are the important questions, anon.



A duel implies both parties consented to the duel. Like in olden days, one man would challenge another man to a duel. If the other accepted than the duel is on. But if the other refused than the initiator cannot take further action. He gets the satisfaction of making the other man look like a coward, but at the end of the day no one gets killed or wounded.

If the duel is refused and the initiator gets butthurt and attacks the other man anyway, than he violates the NAP.

>what if he waves a gun in you face?

Than that can be perceived as a clear and present threat and violates the NAP. The only reason anyone should ever pull out a gun is if he intends to use it right then and there.

>what if he calls you a fag?

Than he calls you a fag. It may hurt your feelings for a bit, but I wouldn't call it an NAP violation. Sometimes you have to put your pride aside and be the bigger person in situations like that and walk away. If you want to make a duel out of it you can, but it makes you look petty.

I hope this helps.



why is vigilante justice a nap violation? is institutional justice a nap violation too then?

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Fucking hamsters will live in ancap utopia before humans.

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Haven't been there since 2015



Yet I still remember that post you made, about giant guinea pigs


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Ahhhhhhhhhh, hold on motherfucker… this takes me back! Are you talking about that one "unusual pets" thread they had? Damn, you have great memory.


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>why do you like capivaras?

>they are like giant guinea pigs, only a faggot wouldn't want a giant guinea pig



what the fuck is it doing?

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Should bribing be legal in a free market? Epic Games is trying to cut into Steam's market share by paying off game developers to make games like Borderlands 3 exclusive to the Epic Games Store.


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I'm so sorry, who is forcing you to buy video games?



I don't see the problem either, sorry. For the customers, it isn't optimal, yes, but the customer doesn't matter more than anyone else. As a customer, I want games to be free and distributed on whatever platform I like, and I don't care about how much that will cost anyone else. Customers, like every other actor on the market, are selfish, insofar as they are customers. Therefore, as customers, they don't have any moral highground. That something is not optimal for the customer is no argument that it is wrong. The game developer and the publisher both seem to profit from their exclusive deals, and why shouldn't they? They put the work in. The game developer spent hundreds or thousands of hours creating the game, and the publisher has to maintain servers, quality control, and all the like. Both would like assured profits for their trouble, and who am I to say they shouldn't have them? My own whims are no more legitimate than their whims.



it does not break the nap



Sony did the same to Square-Enix (look how long it took for an FF7 pc port) and Sega for their own console, yet there were still competitors to both.



Paying a game developer to make a game exclusively for your platform isn't bribery, it's smart business. Microsoft and Sony pay game devs to make console exclusives all the time.

Bribery would be more fitting if a corporation makes a heavy donation to some politician's foundation and in return the politician make policy that favors said company exclusively.

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Auchwitch was a jewish death camp where jews raped and murdered palestinians.



go home you are drunk

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Oh boy, time to take a look at the latest alt-left pseud, Paul Cockshott and his video "Getting Down to the Details"

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk )

>"we'll leave 'the Shops' out for simplicity's sake in our 5-point diagram [but we'll use the 'millions' denomination to sound like we can relate this to a real population lol]"

>at the moment I'm ignoring the flow of goods to schools and hospitals

<Video is called "Getting Down to the Details" but he doesn't hesitate to gloss over things that are inconvenient for him to explain, even in theory

>"the Factories"

<Cockbutt establishes in the comments section that even the production and pricing of specific commodities like sugar beets should be mandated and thoroughly controlled based "on science" so it begs the question of "what factories" will be allowed to exist to begin with, how many factories there will be, how many people they will individually employ, what types of workers will be employed there and what these workers will earn-as well as whether these workers will have chosen to work there or had been appointed. This is the kind of thing you'd expect to be touched upon from a video entitled "Getting Down to the Details".

>Cockbutt says in the comments that: "if you work harder you get paid more"

<allowing a company to subjectively pay individual employees more or less based on individual performance is allowing these workers to acquire disproportionate capital relative their peers and maybe even start selling things at a profit in "labor time credits". This isn't far-removed from status quo "capitalism" where workers are paid a wage based on factors both objective and subjective.

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>if I want

That. It can be both civnat and ethnat.



I think anyone who says "never been tried" should probably be shot. It's a tired, tired phrase and clearly it's lived long enough to be entirely misapplied.



I think you aren't aware of the labour value of theory





we did it, reddit


Bump, because the left cannot shut up about Dickstabbed.

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>communism doesn't wo-

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>Raised X and Increased Y

Compared to what? During WWI/II or during the pre-war years when the church was raising literacy rates exponentially/keeping the poor living longer via their religion-based hospitals? I'm willing to bet the former.

>Eliminated Unemployment

That tends to happen when society is built around "you will work or you will be shot."


The USSR disbanded the church-run hospitals and hired a bunch of hacks to bolster those church-run numbers. Bog whoop.


So did the rest of the fucking industrialized world more or less. Turns out most of your population doesn't need to read when they're serfs. Who'da thunk it? Stalin also explicitly executed anyone incapable of reading, especially the blind, since they couldn't read his propaganda.

>Something something education

The alternative was boot camp, a gulag, or a job that made you wish you were in a gulag according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor.

>Something something daycare

It was mandatory because the Babushkas kept teaching their children the bible and a caretaker could more easily spy on one's family, again according to my well-educated Kazakh mentor who was a principle for a major Soviet-era high school in the Moscow region.


Most of those were accomplished by the west when it invented industrialism, of course when USSR copied industrialism without having to discover anything by trial and error or go through any growing pains it would happen a bit faster. Also they received food aid from the west for their entire existence, China receives various investments and even dollar for dollar aid to this day, despite being the 2nd largest economy. Imagine if America received money from the UN, it's that ridiculous.

>wage gap

Although I'll admit capitalism never solved imaginary problems.


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>Raised life expecancy

>Increased income

As I always, always said, and as is always ignored, communist countries will see fucking growth and no one denies that as long as there are capitalist countries next to them which are also developing, for the same reason as a beggar in a rich neighborhood will eat caviar at some point, whereas a beggar in the neighborhood of beggars will starve.

As economies develop, the prices of goods - including capital goods - is lowered. It isn't just lowered for this economy, but for all others. If some brilliant entrepreneur made flying saucers available for a hundred dollars, the Democratic Republic of the Congo could henceforth claim that "Africogangrapism" had increased the number of flying saucers by 1250% in a year. Opportunity costs, as we all know, are not reflected in growth statistics, so the fact that the increase was 1250% and not 2500% will be completely lost.

>eliminated unemployment

As easy as shoving everyone who can work in a mine and discounting everyone who cannot work as a pensioner, child, or housewife.

>firing was rare

Kek, with twenty million dead as a lower estimate, I'd say firing happened quite often, amirite?



Oh, and concerning education, communist countries tend to have notoriously high literacy rates and education levels, which is simply because they shove everyone into mandatory schooling.

>But if everyone was in a Gulag, how could everyone get schooled? Checkmate, my aynclap friend!

Everyone was schooled even in Gulags. Every single source about communist countries that I ever consulted talked about the indoctrination and reeducation rampant in these countries, especially in prison. So, is it any wonder literacy rates went sky high? More importantly, is that in any way reflective of an increased standard of living, or should we maybe discard literacy rate as an a-grade indicator of living standards if they can be increased by building schools in Kolyma and then deporting everyone and his mom to Kolyma?



same in communist poland

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