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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.96697[Reply]

how do you prevent idiocracy from happening due to free market capitalism?

social media and desensitizing media will make the population dumber

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 No.98821

>>98807

Well, yeah. There's an implicit difference between infants and children.


 No.98822

>>98791

If it's young enough that it has to rely on me for food/shelter/education/job experience/etc. it's too young for you to sleep with, pedo.


 No.98825

>>98819

>What are you trying to say? It seems like you're attempting to equate consent with the ability to assent or dissent.

With just a little modification, it's a tautology. Hunger is a physical sensation, not an emotion, btw (and one which is often not consented to, along with other forms of pain and discomfort).


 No.98850

>>96699

Correct. Idiots will still persist, but they're at least more likely to be productive idiots.


 No.100650

REMOVE WARNING LABELS




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 No.98812[Reply]

>Baltimore crime is through the roof

>lawmakers decide to vote on a statewide long gun registry and licence and leaves room for possible confiscation

>one county sheriff says he wont comply with this new law if it passes

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/28/maryland-sheriff-gun-confiscation-bill-we-will-not-comply/

based

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 No.96062[Reply]

what other boards do you lurk?

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 No.97998

>>97987

Because (((they))) wanted it.


 No.98052

>>96848

>/hgg/

You poor soul. I can't even stay sober enough to moderate that board these days.


 No.98841

bumping


 No.98843

>>96062

The question should be "What unlisted boards do you lurk?"

>>>/ratanon/


 No.98844

>>98843

>What unlisted boards do you lurk

>>>/scanner/




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 No.98717[Reply]

Why dont the British simply defund the BBC and/or just make it a private company? Especially when they are caught red handed trying to lie to the people?

tl;dw-Panorama was caught saying they were working with Hope Not Hate (basically the UK version of the SPLC) in order to just lie about Tommy Robinson in order to discredit him

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 No.98798

>>98771

>muh zionism

Why is it that this is all leftiest and trannypol has? Is it because they cant deal with the cognitive dissonance of pretending to be an anti neoliberal revolutionary when they are complete corporate cucked shills?


 No.98802

>>98798

No

It's because he literally makes posts on twitter saying "If there was a war I would die for Israel!"


 No.98810

>>98802

No, its because you detest tommy and this is the only thing you can exploit in order to silence him.

trannypol hates the working class and their real god is diversity at all cost.


 No.98827

>>98810

>Hates the working class

What does this have to do with some Right-Wing firebreather getting his fee fees hurt?


 No.98842

>>98827

It has to do with the left being corporate cucks which is why you are so needlessly angry and butthurt at Tommy Robinson.




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 No.97072[Reply]

have you ever meet other ancap irl?

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 No.97436

>>97106

I've met some who were more like small l libertarians than full ancaps. My encounters were fairly brief since my studies caught up with me and I had to focus on that.


 No.97625

I met a former one. Wasn’t the best experience.


 No.97758

>>97313

is this why homo males are more leftists than hetero males?


 No.97783

>>97625

What was it like? Why did he abandon anarcho-capitalism?


 No.98840

i attended classes on anarchocapitalism conducted by ancap




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 No.98804[Reply]

Why is it that neetsocs are capable of this kind of autism but ancaps are only capable of being frustrated when a leftist posts on their board?

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 No.98830

>>98809

>being a normalfag

All you need to admit now is that you're gay, under-aged and some kind of minority and you'll be completely reprehensible. At least you kind of like freedom.


 No.98831

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>this thread

And then they wonder why socialists are taking over.


 No.98832

>>98804

what board is it?


 No.98833

>>98804

This is why no one respects nazis anymore. On the other hand, it's the sole reason weebs are'nt shoved into lockers anymore.

also

>cuckime


 No.98836

>>98809

Unironically this. When I am not busy working my job, I am reading, helping my family, or spending time with my girlfriend. Such is life when you are past eighteen.




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 No.89841[Reply]

Which is the most effective means to usher in a voluntary society in the long run?

The methods I've seen on /liberty/ so far are:

>Working within the state to enact reforms, educating the masses, and/or peaceful demonstrations

>Libertarian homesteading on sea/space/terra nullius

>Participating in the black/gray market to undermine state control of the economy

>Bunkering down with ample supplies and ammo and waiting for government to collapse

>Armed struggle followed by a temporary regime to purge collectivism and reorient society along voluntary lines

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 No.98710

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 No.98721

>>98692

>>98710

>This is why Golang was created


 No.98749

>>98721

to give jobs to trannie autist communists?


 No.98797

>>98692

That's a furry, not a weeb.


 No.98834

>>98797

Name 2 differences. Other than weebs being mutts.




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 No.98415[Reply]

Are major corporations really private businesses? E.g., is it more accurate to consider Google to be a private corporation, or just another agency of the U.S. federal government–with some PR dressing to make it seem like they aren't? Does the U.S. federal government use the FBI and it's impossible-to-comply legal code to essentially blackball any remotely useful private agency to become another wing of the U.S. federal government?

Does private business even exist in the U.S. anymore, aside from maybe some plumbers in the Midwest?

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 No.98744

>>98680

>That's basically what socialism is all about, the key gripe with socialists is that an "elite" owns everything and no one else has access. Corporatism as a philosophy is paying workers in shares and letting random people buy shares, then redistributing the profits of the corporation (dividends).

That has nothing to do with corporatism. Corporatism is the organisation of production into corporations with delineated, mutually exclusive areas of interest with the aim of reducing competition and increasing productivity by eliminating parallel efforts. The East India Company was a corporatist entity (as well as a corporation). So were medieval guilds. Worker ownership of the means of production does not enter into the equation at all.

>Uh… buddy… cooperatives are literally corporations. They are incorporated, they file corporate tax returns, they are subject to the same rules and have the same government protections.

Of course they're often corporations. So are virtually all companies nowadays. That doesn't mean they operate under corporatist principles because corporations and corporatist ideology aren't the same thing.

>A corporation is an organization, usually a group of people or a company, authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law.

>Corporatism is a political ideology which advocates the organization of society by corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, scientific, or guild associations on the basis of their common interests. The idea is that when each group performs its designated function, society will function harmoniously — like a human body (corpus) from which its name derives.

<them words sound the same, so they must mean the same!


 No.98773

>>98596

>Why do you consider these states capitalist

Because they employ the capitalist mode of production (Working class sells labor for wages to a capitalist class who profits from the sale of the commodities produced by said working classes labor)


 No.98775

>>98744

>Worker ownership of the means of production does not enter into the equation at all.

How do you explain a worker for example being paid in shares (such as almost all corporations do) where the shares let them actually vote in how the corporation is run, any profits are paid to them as dividends, and they literally own the means of production (the machines that do the work).

>So are virtually all companies nowadays.

There's like a 100:1 ratio for privately owned companies to corporations. Dude have you ever been in an accounting office? We have about 650 privately owned companies (sole proprietors) and 40 corporations, and we bust our ass getting the corporations every day because they pay us more for less work.


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>>98775

>How do you explain a worker for example being paid in shares (such as almost all corporations do) where the shares let them actually vote in how the corporation is run, any profits are paid to them as dividends, and they literally own the means of production (the machines that do the work).

It's a means of payment like any other, and an excellent way of getting your employees involved in the well being of the corporation ( and often avoiding taxes), but by no means is it a requirement for all corporations.

I dont understand why you keep claiming corporations are required to do all this arbitrary shit when all they are is legal entities.

>there are way more conpanies than corporations

Well, okay, but that wasn't my point. As far as I can tell, you're claiming:

>all cooperatives are corporations

>therefore corporations are cooperatives

>therefore corporations are socialism

>therefore corporatism is socialism

I'm telling you cooperative elements are not required for something to be a corporation, most corporations aren't cooperatives, some cooperatives aren't corporations, publicly traded stocks have fuck all to do with cooperatives or socialism and corporatism and corporations only share etymological similarities.

>he works in an accounting office

Woe betide your clients


 No.98818

>>98773

Do you mean the businesses employ the capitalist mode of production and not the state? How do you determine who are in which class? For instance I am paid a wage and own stocks and property.




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 No.98811

>>98805

They made this thread. I hate pseudo-cyclical threads that seem to respawn about a month or two after they fall off the board.




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 No.98792[Reply]

>Women declared equal regarding combat roles

>Women now eligible for draft

>Still not requiring women to sign up for the draft would be inconsistent

>Draft abolished altogether

Big win. A single silver lining actually can actually come out of something feminists touched.

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 No.98794

>>98793

what do you need besides the headline?


 No.98795

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I think the jews are ready to stop white people once and for all by killing white women by sending them to war in the next year or so.

ok, I don't really think this, but I like to think it's real and it will happen because it's more exciting than living in a world of faggots who think it's accettable to send people to fight each other to death, regardless of their gender fuck the State


 No.98796

>>98792

This is clown world. They'll make women sign up for the draft before they even think about abolishing it.


 No.98799

>>98792

Great. Now let's wait a thousand more years for these dumb whores to realize that neither men, nor women should be in goverment.


 No.98801

>>98799

heeey

cheer up buddy

at least it's a start

just 1,000 more years and it's over




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 No.98565[Reply]

Can we start a catalog of common threads. I feel like we have the same conversations every few months because threads 404 after a period.

Common topics like

>Chicago vs Austrian Schools

>Mutualism

>Why the different types of socialism suck

>Intellectual Property debate

>Abortion

>Open vs Closed Borders

>Hoppe and Paleolibertarians

>Oligopoly in AnCap and Natural Monopolies

>Egoism and Stirner

>Why /pol/ and NeetSoc are stupid

Feel free to name any more common threads that crop up every few months

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 No.98779

>>98776

>Until the second the fetus leaves the womb and has its umbilical cord severed it remains reliant effectivly parasitically leeching off of the energy and resources (Financial / physical etc) of the mother

But the fetus did not decide to do this. The mother decided to create the fetus and force it to use her resources.

If I put a gun to your head and forced you to take my wallet, are you still a thief? Can I kill you for the theft?

What a ridiculously incomplete morality.


 No.98780

>>98778

>Or a group or people

Yes, that's what is implied by "or entity." Either a group of people, or a covenant community (as defined by private property), whose terms of lease you have violated.

>or a potential group or people who isn't even there, but might be one day.

No, that's retarded. The NAP, and any legal theory based on it, deals strictly in actions committed by one entity onto another entity whose rights have been violated. Saying it applies to things that only exist in potentiality effectively means that it can apply to whatever you wish, as "potential" is such an arbitrary and unprovable concept. It has no place in legal theory.


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>>98779

Oh I forgot to post an image of someone I like but who is dead and irrelevant to the discussion, in the hopes that another user will side with me in this discussion because of our shared like of the dead guy.

>>98780

The NAP isn't a law, it's a principle, we went over this.


 No.98782

>>98781

Semantics play isn't enough to discount my argument. You can't aggress against people that aren't there, but might be one day, because that's a group which includes every fucking person alive or who might be alive one day. You can't aggress without aggressing against somebody or something. There has to be a victim.


 No.98800

>>98779

Yes the mother (In some cases) may have actively chosen to create the fetus to begin with

That Dosent change the argument that they have the power to destroy it




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 No.98742[Reply]

There is a movement to divide Washington state and create a new state called Liberty

>Creation of new state strictly by gun rights activists

>75% of Eastern WA population supports movement, has congressional backing with multiple bills

>low tax obligations-“government doesn’t produce or own wealth—citizens do”

>”The right to manage and protect life and property will be honored at all levels of government.”

>Currently a voting contest for what the official state rifle will be

https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/split-washington-in-two-51st-state-movement-highlights-cultural-divide

https://libertystate.org

https://libertystate.org/about/grievances/

The creation of a new state is constitutional

>Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States allows for the division of a state with a simple majority vote of the Legislature of the state and Congress:

>“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

>https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-iv

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 No.98765

>>98759

^this.

I am all for Seattleland going the fuck away.


 No.98768

I don't think this will ever happen, as neat as it would be. Washington already has a food shortage and they have to compete with Commiefornia for being the shittiest state west of Kansas. This would create business competition from companies crossing the border to Liberty land, and between that, having to pay more for food as it passes into Washington since Liberty land DOT regulations would undoubtedly be less strict, and cutting off half the taxes the cities steal from the surrounding regions, they'd be fucked and have to figure shit out quick or otherwise become like Chiraq, which they'd never willingly do. The legislature will be bribed, shot, or otherwise coerced as soon as there's an inkling that this could occur. Tax splurgers won't give up their source of taxes without a fight.


 No.98769

>>98760

Are you a statist?


 No.98770

>>98754

>Illumanist / Mason

So?

The (Actual) Bavarian school Illuminati and the Masons were originally enlightened clubs who pretty much wanted to introduce liberalism and enlightenment values to the monarchies of Europe and their colonies

I don't find that contradictory with what most liberals / libertarians believe

>>98769

The state (USA) that Washington helped proclaim was infinitely less "Statist" in Liberal terminology then pretty much any other state on earth at the time


 No.98774

>>98770

I agree that he was generally a good guy in terms of bringing liberty. He's been hijacked as an icon of state worship that's not worth trying to reclaim.




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 No.98696[Reply]

http://archive.is/jV263

>The short answer to 'how we will pay for' the Green New Deal is easy.

>We'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>This is how we do it – always has been, always will be.

>The money that's spent, for its part, is never 'raised' first.

>To the contrary, federal spending is what brings that money into existence.

Well, shit. Why don't we just sign a bill funding research into genetically engineered catgirls in space? After all, we'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whose educational background is in economics, understands as few leaders seem to do that our problems of late have been problems of deflation, not inflation.

Because when people complain about being in millions of dollars in debt, that's a problem of deflation.

This is what it looks like when you sentence economics to a spiral of continual degradation, until it has distilled into pure shitfuckery. How does it feel to know this isn't even its final form? How does it feel to know you're going to be able to watch this get implemented in public policy, in slow motion, all within your lifetime?

 No.98697

fix the fucking site


 No.98703

Oh God is that the MMT crap again?


 No.98723

>>98703

In essence, yes. Cortez and the Honorable Chairman Comrade Sanders have latched onto MMT even harder than they do their Che Guevara body pillows, because they found the phrase "deficits don't matter" in the reading material.




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 No.98669[Reply]

>lol corporations wouldn't exist in a free mark-

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 No.98690

>>98670

citations relative to the structure of the text are better than citations relative the structure of the matter on which an instance of the text is.


 No.98691

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>(((free market)))

mutt

>>98671

You are thinking of goverment. Corporation where called another thing in the past: cartels.

The difference? Cartels are illegal. Thank the jews for that.


 No.98694

>>98688

>troll


 No.98698

>>98691

>all that gay shit you've just written

Why do you think anyone is going to read past your ridiculous "Jewish free market" implication and your broad, baseless insult?


 No.98731

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>>98670

>>98669

Rothbard makes it quite clear in that very quote that the corporations he's talking about are not the same as government-ran oligopolies that exist today. Those two opinions are the same fucking thing, just one is explained more fluently. Further proof that the left can't meme.




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 No.98695[Reply]

http://archive.is/jV263

>The short answer to 'how we will pay for' the Green New Deal is easy.

>We'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>This is how we do it – always has been, always will be.

>The money that's spent, for its part, is never 'raised' first.

>To the contrary, federal spending is what brings that money into existence.

Well, shit. Why don't we just sign a bill funding research into genetically engineered catgirls in space? After all, we'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whose educational background is in economics, understands as few leaders seem to do that our problems of late have been problems of deflation, not inflation.

Because when people complain about being in millions of dollars in debt, that's a problem of deflation.

This is what it looks like when you sentence economics to a spiral of continual degradation, until it has distilled into pure shitfuckery. How does it feel to know this isn't even its final form? How does it feel to know you're going to be able to watch this get implemented in public policy, in slow motion, all within your lifetime?



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