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Ya'll need Mises.

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<There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

Why is our BO such a retard?

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based Rothbard he really thought of everything


There's a set of two duplicate threads in the catalog right now; initially there were three. The only reason I can think of that the second duplicate wasn't deleted along with the third is that the second had one reply to it at the time of the third's deletion. I'm beginning to believe with increasing conviction that we don't actually have a BO, but a script programmed to perform certain BO activities.



But that's a normal fetish, anon, it's not severe.



Shitposting was always just that—shit.



But everyone is retarded, including myself

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Toughts on this?, as background for this guy, he has a loot of content about WW2 but its not limited to military history, he speaks a loot about economic policies and political history (also has other videos about miscellaneous history topics). also he has jewish blood (not jewish tough).

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>Were Jews Responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution?

Pretty much.

As for Marxism, a Karl Marx a.k.a Moses Mordecai Levi, was a (((your greatest ally))) too.



Keep crying

Over 40% of world's chess champions are Jewish

Roughly 30% of Nobel prizes are given to Jews

40% of billionaires are Jewish while 40% of the 145+ IQ population is Jewish


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> Although they both measure the same factor

Wrong, WAIS measures Crystallised and Fluid intelligence, while Ravens only measures Fluid intelligence, hence why it uses visual pattern recognition.

Also yeah, on a personal note, Ravens uses visual patterns that are quite bullshit and meaningless in the late part of the test, that's why psychologists and psychiatrists dont find IQ as reliable as antropologists because they dont have to worry how the thing works and how they have to include a little of every theory about the mind like neurolinguistics which is also other field that works sometimes, psychologists cant work whit absolutes, but in the other hand antropologists assume that the psychologists did a good job so they can have their quick easy intelligence measurement tool for large populations to make research so they might have some founding, i dont think that IQ tests are useless but for individual they are already innaccurate, this only gets worse whit large populations.



forgot to quote >>96173

also WAIS is still used widely.


stalin hated cosmopolitism, right? but he hated nationalists too, right?

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Capitalism is a stage of history. It didn’t exist untill feudalism was destroyed. And it won’t exist forever. For the rates of profit are falling. Prove me wrong, I dare you?

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>The Crisis of overproduction is a real phenomina that does exist

I… do not believe you.

I'll grant that the process you describe does exist; it occurs even without the mechanism you describe, as someone will always be cheaper.

I do not, however, believe it is a crisis. Money is manufactured scarcity while stuff is wealth; as such, overproduction is GENERALLY the literal opposite of a crisis (though the sum of all possible cases is more complex; opportunity cost is not even remotely universally true, but is at least possible) - and the reduction or removal of money from economics is pretty much definitionally the exact opposite of crisis.

So, doesn't real, even though the process you describe does. ;)


Neo-{Blanktemplate}ism is a better life than Capitalism.


>what is rome


If the rate of profit has been decreasing over the decades, shouldn't we see a decrease in market index returns? Also, what is the source of that graph and how do they calculate rate of profit?



>talk to literally any farmer.

I know farmers and they are not overproducing goods. They are in fact converting much of their land for solar panels (because of tax subsidies) and switching to crops that are profitable.

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What happened with the citizenry of democracies that they degenerated to the point where they could no longer be trusted with private ownership of weapons?



Liberalism mixed with Marxism.


Democracy happened to them, what do you think? It's a system that encourages present-orientedness in the citizenry and rulers alike, while simultaneously encouraging sociopathic liars to enter the halls of power on the backs of parasites and rubes.


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What's the most preferential alternative?


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The natural order.





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Cuban migration to the US has pretty much stopped since Cuba's standard of living met a parity with the US some years ago

Some Cuban-Born US citizens in Florida now travel to Cuba for medical care etc

And yes obviously because of Venezuelas issues people will migrate abroad but this is not different then any other third world state


>High taxes aren't capitalist

>Hyper-inflation can't occur under capitalism

>High crime rates can't occur under capitalism

It maintains a capitalist economy and has been under a right-wing capitalist goverment for decades at the behest of the US

So yes it is capitalist

<"Not real capitalism!"


>Yeah, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Venezuela, the economy that's seen massive expropriations of virtually everything from food to oil and even landmass sees independence from the state

>but China, which has actually made SOME tangible (albeit questionable) progress since the 1980s towards a more market oriented economy sees no independence from the state?

The Chinese communist party has always ensured that capitalist class existing within china is firmly under the boot of the dictatorship of the Proletariate unlike Venezuela which still allows its capitalist class to act independently (Thus why we see them being so uncooperatice with the Venezuelan goverment)

Also do you have any evidence for your claim that "All food oil and Land" is being expropriated by the state?


He's a 100+kg military dictator in a country where the average weight is 71kg.

Venezuela is Korea tier, which is what every communist/socialist/communalist society turns into.


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>Cuban migration to the US has pretty much stopped since Cuba's standard of living met a parity with the US some years ago

Things that never happened for 500$ Alex! Seriously, what fucking fantasy are you living in, you delusional retard? There's nothing that supports that notion, nothing even close. And even where they supposedly do have something comparable (ie: it was a meme for a while that they had really good healthcare) one look under the hood proves otherwise.

>And yes obviously because of Venezuelas issues people will migrate abroad but this is not different then any other third world state

Amazing! It's almost like Socialism and government interference turned one of the richest Latin American countries into one of the poorest in the fucking world! I wonder if it's the same with most of these third world countries… What do you know! it is.

> High taxes aren't capitalist

They're not, you fucking idiot. High taxes (let alone any taxes at all) are an interference with the market and guess what that means? It's a problem of interference with capitalism by the state, not a problem OF capitalism. Wow! it's almost like (as per everything else you say) you don't actually have a fucking clue about what you're talking about! Gee golly whiz! Kill yourself. Better yet, go ahead and tell me next about how expropriation is also a problem of capitalism. Dumb fuck.

>Hyper-inflation can't occur under capitalistm

Gee, if there was a market for money, it's almost like people could opt to choose another currency, oh wait there isn't one in Guatemala. Damn, t's almost like they have a central bank… What a shame.

>It maintains a capitalist economy and has been under a right-wing capitalist goverment for decades at the behest of the US

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fug i need to settle there to lose weight

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For an individual to be considered a human being, he has to recognise other human beings as so, thus, as humanity derivates from the ability to hold property, those who do not respect other's properties do not deserve to be respected as human and should be both legal and ethical to shoot them on spot.

Let's say, for the shake of argument, that I don't allow my property to be polluted, such a thing allows me to ask for a compensation if somebody polluted my land or my body with chemicals, cigarrete smoke, etc… a refusal to provide such compensation would allow me to shot the aggresor in the spot or to force my way into earn such compensation, like organ harvesting or debtors prision (which is not slavery like statist say, as nobody forces you to commit crimes, thus being this kind of "forced" labour voluntary at the end).

The exact same logic applies to IP, the main reason why I like article 13 so much, it does not matter, at all, if ideas or information are abundant in nature (they are not- as they relay on scarce resources like time and energy), let me explain:

Water and air are both abundant in nature, however, both their harvesting and removal of pollution requiere resources that are not scarce, pretty much the same can be applied to IP.

As a side note, IP should be eternal, saying otherwhise would be geolibertarian pink-socialism, asking IP to expire is like asking land property rights to expire.

As both a Disney and Activision-Blizzard shareholder you are literally taking food out of my mouth.

So stop illegaly downloading online content you socialist brats or the day of the rope will come sooner than you think.

Thanks for your time faggotred swine. -L

<tfw this is my 5th try of uploading this shit

Thanks Josh, you PHP pro.

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Now I will assert your bullshit claims yes I am doubleposting, stay mad moralfag

>Do you also believe that someone buying a piece of land neighboring yours and setting up a rival business is a violation of your property rights and gives you justification to walk across the property line and shoot them in the head?

Such a situation could be justified depending on the framework we have as a contest, there can only be one company that does provide defense services with the legitimization necesary to be assigned the authority of trying to impose the defense rights of the third parties that pay them (their costumers), while there can be individuals who defend themselves in a consistent basis there cannot be more than one collective that does such a thing, as the mere existence of other collective supposes an instant aggresion towards the original one that possesed such authority, this is exactly the same reasons why labour unionist and communist should be purged or persecuted as the animals they are, you cannot propose a framework of ethics that respects those you do not follow the framework as it does promote evilness, thus, being, unethical or ineffective in its ethicness.

TLDR: Violent imposition of monopolies is perfectly ethical according to libertarian principles as it is just another form of market competition, which is different from individual survival and self-ownership, being business collective by definition.



I don't agree with your reasoning but it doesn't matter because it's completely irrelevant. Assume that it's a cake store, since we're talking about whether or not decreasing the value of your property counts as aggression, not the violation of some sort of weird universal Highlander contract.

So initially, you owned a cake store, and that cake store had a monopoly on the cake market in our hypothetical town, thereby increasing the value of the cake store dramatically. Another person opens up a cake store, thereby harming your cake store's value by taking away its monopoly. Does that count as aggression in your mind?


Being abundant is not the same thing as literally not being scarce. No matter how abundant water or air may be, there is still a fixed quantity of air or water that exists on your property, and if that particular quantity of air or water is altered, your property rights have been violated. If the disc on which you store content is tampered with, then your property has been violated. If a different disc, owned by a different person, that happens to store very similar content, is altered, your personal disc is not altered. Nothing that you own has been tampered with. Your property has not been violated. No intellectual property is property at all, and outside of trademarks none of it can be reasonably enforced in the free market.

>As both a Disney and Activision-Blizzard shareholder you are literally taking food out of my mouth.

>as the owner of a state-granted monopoly, competition is literally taking food out of my mouth

>as the producer of an inferior good, higher quality goods are literally taking food out of my mouth

>as the owner of a terrible restaurant, bad reviews are literally taking food out of my mouth

Nigger-tier argument, go ask for gibs somewhere else you tripleposting cockmongler. If your ability to compete on the market has been reduced, make yourself more competitive instead of kvetching and begging for a handout.



It all boils down at how damaging that value decrease is, the most fundamental base for all property rights is "might makes right", those unable to exercise any might as social leverage (i.e. animals) are unable to possess property, like Rhodesians defending their lands, if you are unable to defend something, then, it is not yours by definition.

>Does that count as aggression in your mind?

Funny to see what kind of buzzwords you use to defend your ridiculous points, self-defense is not an aggresion, is the violence uses with the purpuse of preventing or neutralizing more aggresions from OTHER people, those unable to defend themselves (like animals, or little children- i.e. see Rothbard's case for adoption markets) are not only unable to have property, but are also able to be uses LIKE property.

You are mumbling some socialistic-tier autistic bullshit bro, why is it so difficult for statists like you to understand that people should be free to defense their property and business to thrive and compete? You are literally comparing violence with aggresion like a statists compares the social contract with self-ownership & property-rights.

Suck it, retard.



>It all boils down at how damaging that value decrease is

That's retarded. Rights violations are binary; they either happen or they do not. You can't violate rights halfway, so it's nonsensical to assume that severity plays into whether a rights violation has occurred.

>the most fundamental base for all property rights is "might makes right"

No, it isn't. First because that implies rights are relative (by definition they can't be), second because there are wide variety things which you can enforce by might which are decidedly not property. Propertarianism is gay and you should strongly consider electroshock therapy if you believe in htis.

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we should send gifts to Janusz Waluś, the hero of our times. he is still in prison even though he served his sentence

also jakób skrzypski https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1LQ1MZ

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As early as 1875, a vision for Eurasian-American cooperation was becoming realized as leading Americans and Russians alike foresaw the construction of telegraph and even rail lines across the 100 km Bering Strait crossing separating Russia from Alaska. Proponents of this policy on the American side included Lincoln-ally and Colorado’s 1st governor William Gilpin, whose book The Cosmopolitan Railway was published in 1890 showcasing a “post-imperial world” where mutual development was driven by rail lines across all the continents and featured the Bering Strait rail connection as its keystone. Many of Gilpin’s co-thinkers in Russia grew in influence and even convinced Tsar Nicholas II to endorse the project in 1905. The fact that the newly completed Trans-Siberian Railway was modelled on Lincoln’s Trans-Continental Railway and carried train cars built in Philadelphia made this concept very feasible in the minds of many people in those days… not excluding a British Empire that desperately wished to see this potential destroyed.

>tfw communists singlehandedly prevented what would have been the biggest war-prevention mechanism and global anti-poverty lifeline of all time

>tfw American-Russian relations are still ruined to this day between them and FDR's shit-tier government

It hurts, /liberty/

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Ok, so ITT: /liberty/ describes their ideal marriage partner/waifu.

What's it gonna be? Trad thots? Modern sluts? 2D only? Non-whites? Traps? How high are your standards? What would you absolutely not want to see in a woman? Would you date a commie? Would you date someone with piercings/tattooes? Would you date someone who drinks/smokes? What else?

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Thats kinda fucked up but hot tbh


what website should i use to find a waifu?






tell more

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why do you follow an ideology made by Jews for their own benefit

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>OP thinks that his fascism is better because jews benefit from capitalism







Kikes are children of cain, they bear the mark of cain (circumcision) and have been Chosen by God for misery and suffering. God only keeps enough kikes alive to torture them as a people.

Only the Messiah Christ, deep prayer and celibacy can save these low iq inbred mutants from the wrath of God.




break time is over, now back to /christian/ asylum



cain is not a historical figure

he is as real as zeus or thor

prove me wrong


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Have you noticed the antisemitism stormfag meme are being used to push anti-American communism?



Peronism is an economically confused Military Junta of Argentina and nazi sympathizers of le 56%

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>ancucks thinking they will survive without their mommies

>ancucks thinking they will survive a week without laws to protect them from big mean fascist and commies hordes

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>thinking you need statism to protect your self from other kinds of statists



>truth is bait



Well, it's true in a way. If you are being protected by one gang, you're being protected from another.


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You're not protected from statism though.

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how will people solve 5G problem in ancap? is sending 5G radiation into someone's property a violation of NAP? will in ancap people defend their properties with counter-radiation or some kind of a shield? okay G5 radiation is (probably) not unhealthy but in ancap we will have many crazy tinfoilhat people i hope

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>dat pic

Did it get infected?



Related Question: Can the state track you if you interfere with state use-only bandwidth?



The state can kill you with telepathically implanted hypnotic suggestions if they wanted to.


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What are main libertarian thinkers thoughts on cloning? My question is not ill intended, I am really interested on it and I would love to clone myself instead of having kids with my partner.

I am going to give you a bit of my backgroud, I am studying biochemistry at college, I am about to end my degree, I fully understand that clonation is not perfect and there is high risk of mutations and random changes, which are normally harmful, but every pregnancy has also the same chance of mutations and random changes (that is how evolution works in all living beings afterall) but new technologies like CRISPR-CAS9 offer the possibility to correct those copy-paste mistakes that occur during the cloning process.

I am mostly interested in the libertarian ethics of cloning, obviously statists, anarcho-commies and even some minarchists are not going to feel like allowing it.

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Hell yeah.


It wasn't our fate to prevent what had happened, perhaps it was even absolutely necessary to for us to experience it because we came out stronger in the end, and otherwise we wouldn't have seen the evil of socialism first-hand, but we did, so unlike western countries, we know that socialism isn't an alternative to whatever problems we may be facing right now.

Rejoice brother, in the coming years you might very well witness how 1/8th of the world's surface, a territory larger than Pluto - our very own country, becomes the most free place on Earth, a new home for liberty, a new Wild West. This is the best time to be alive.


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In the tenth century, Slavs burned their widows, even without their consent, unlike the Indians, who at least asked them for permission first.

The Rus, the Scandinavians that settled on Russia, were even worse. They had tons of slaves, didn't wipe their ass, and would either gangrape and strangle one during the burial of an important chief before burning her on his pyre, or they would bury her in the ground while she's still alive.

Nothing against Slavs and Russians, but their genetics don't predetermine their greatness.


I do agree, however, that Central and Eastern Europe might just become the next free haven on this planet, as well as the new cultural center of Europe. Hopefully, they will drag the rest of Europe along with them. I am fine if that happens, even if we lose our hegemony for the most part. I'd rather want a beautiful Germany than a powerful Germany.


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>burning widows and not wiping asses and other weird shit they did in the dark ages is a matter of genetics

Oh sweetie… this is why you won't be genetically engineering any master races anytime soon.

>I do agree, however, that Central and Eastern Europe might just become the next free haven on this planet, as well as the new cultural center of Europe. Hopefully, they will drag the rest of Europe along with them. I am fine if that happens, even if we lose our hegemony for the most part. I'd rather want a beautiful Germany than a powerful Germany.

That's the plan, man. All we need is one island of freedom to act as a beacon of liberty for the rest of the world, it would be poetic if it were Russia given our history, but it would also be great if Poland or Brazil got to it first, since they also have large libertarian movements as far as I know. Long ago, it was America that everyone would point to as the most free country in the world and use it an example of something to strive for, but nowadays only SJWs do that to say shit like "look, they're so well-off because they have welfare", which REALLY lowers the standard of freedom for the rest of the world. Even our government just copies whatever totalitarian laws are invented in there and says "So what? Those freedom-loving westerners have it too, you can't complain".

The unfortunate thing about first-world countries is that despite being labelled "capitalist", they're kinda half-way between statism and real free markets, making the situation really confusing, so plebs just accept the problems in their society as a "failure of capitalism" and ask for the alternative - which is socialism. So now it's like all these second-world countries have better chances at achieving ancap, because they already had socialism and they got vaccinated against that shit.



Fuck off retard, shitting in every thread.

Burning widows is a self-defense tradition that prevents gold digging whores from murdering their husbands. I do accounting for people, you have no idea how common this shit is, theres a female client on her FOURTH estate, keeps coming in every year march 1st on the dot crying her eyes out about how her recent husband had a heart attack (belladonna) hanged himself, fell down stairs, or drowned in a pool. Have any idea how easy it is to wait for a 60 year old man to tire himself out from swiming laps, walk up to him, smile, and just hold his head underwater until the bubbles stop?

Widow burning ENSURED the wife had a vested interest in her husband surviving, women would pick up fucking swords to defend a wounded husband back then.

Also every one of those marriages was consumated, it wouldnt be called a marriage. Often it wasnt one until the wife was pregnant. Because every marriage was consumated, due to microchimerism the wife had a piece of her husbands DNA inside her. The man's DNA is his own property, if he wants to burn it instead of leaving it to his sons in a will, thats his own business.


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100% slavic genes :D

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There are real flaws with Marxism like economic calculation, scarcity, government mismanagement, etc but Peterson didn't know enough about that and just came off looking like a conservitard. Because of this, it will be much harder to call leftists out on their bullshit.


What are you talking about, stammerman lost that debate. Talking about economics has not swayed a crowd in ever, peterson stuck to emotional appeals which actually work.



Peterson clearly won the debate about the actual topic though

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>You can't realistically portray an entire economic system concerning thousands to millions of people on a small island with four people and 2 resources.

If you do it correctly, you actually can–that's the entire premise of Crusoe economics, and it's a very intuitive way of demonstrating the fundamentals of good economic theory. The key word here is 'correctly.' The men in your analogy must act like men, and make choices that men would make, under the constraints of the action axiom, and so on. Faggot OP's comic doesn't do these things, and so it becomes useless.



Is that the lake felatio rapist?



>moderate leftists

>right wing

God how I hate whites.


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First of all property can only be claimed if youre currently developing it, using it, etc. I cant for example claim the moon and get away with it, its not how property rights work.

So for the libertarians to claim the coconuts and fish means theyre farming these things, which makes this comic closer to the THEFT it actually is. Imagine also the fragile system of fish traps and farmed coconuts dying off because the only two people who know how it works are dead in some revolution.

That basically is Haiti.


And yet they invented the computer you use to vent, the clothes you cover yourself in, the domicile that shelters you from storms, the agricultural methods that keep you alive, the toilet that washes away and processes the mountain of shit your mouth produces…. Its often the case that the inferior hates the superior.

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