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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 49ca884a5c7dd30⋯.png (12 KB, 838x372, 419:186, 1548801077351.png)

 No.97109[Reply]

Why are wages rising with productivity?

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 No.98521

>>98493

>I do not actually believe that all products and services which exist under another system can never, ever be sold in an ancap one.

<The NLRB is a federal agency, so how can you consider the existence of such as ancap?

Like poetry.


 No.98523

>>98521

What are you getting at? NLRB is not a product or service in the market so it does not even apply to ancap. It is a monopoly of force on labor laws.


 No.98590

>>98523

NAP is being broken in the market too sometimes


 No.98618

>>98590

Just because one violates the NAP does not make one a monopoly.


 No.98658

>>98618

yes this is right i think




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 No.98333[Reply]

This thread is in honor of Bernie Sanders announcing his run for the presidency. Its only a matter of time now until his dumbass supporters wont shut the fuck up about how "hurr the scandanavia countries are perfect examples of how well socialism works!" and proving how dumb this lie is

>From last election, the Danish Prime Minister informs Bernie that his country isnt socialist

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

>sorry Bernie bros, but Nordic countries are NOT socialist

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#ad4079c74ad3

>Nordic countries arent socialist; theyre free trade lovers

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/402682-nordic-nations-are-not-socialist-theyre-free-trade-lovers

>Mises Institute: "Face it, nordic countries arent socialist"

https://mises.org/wire/face-it-nordic-countries-arent-socialist

>The Myth of the "socialist" Scandinavian countries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY27TBAFqBE

just remember all this for when you start seeing your bernie bro retarded friends inevitably bring this up

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 No.98368

I don't believe any Marxists claim that Sweden or the north of Europe are socialist as they clearly exist as simple capitalist economies

Some SocialDemocrats uphold it as that though because of their social programs being similar as to what people like Sanders / AOC etc wish to implement


 No.98370

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 No.98372

>>98368

Yeah it's primarily Social Democrats who promote this which makes it so annoying.


 No.98650

File: e6ec17aaeed3a13⋯.jpg (81.55 KB, 1177x752, 1177:752, Ingolfr-Arnarson.jpg)

medieval iceland was a libertarian utopia too


 No.98656




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 No.98436[Reply]

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen! :) I made a youtube channel to attempt to wake people up and educate people about the things that aren't often talked about openly. I'm not doing this for myself in any way, shape or form. I don't need subscribers but if you want to subscribe that's cool. Thanks for your time. Have a nice day :D

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTfaAnj5NbNHeNDJAEQT7-Q?view_as=subscriber

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 No.98518

How to educate the masses (that is, how to get the masses to be educated) on a specific topic.

-step null: educate yourself, or make sure you are properly educated. it makes educating others a whole lot easier.

-step one: find one person who is not educated on the given topic, and educate them. if they are unwilling to be educated, address that issue first. once they are educated, encourage them to educate others as you educated them.

-repeat step one.

if each person educated even just 2 people this way, the growth would be exponential. since some people will not educate others, it might make sense to pick up the slack and educate a some more people than strictly necessary.

>anonymous

didn't anyone get that anonymous isn't an organization? it's a meme from normies saying that 'anonymous' (as in, an anonymous person) did this or that, and sensationalist media putting a dark twist on it.


 No.98519

Thanks for this thread. Now I know why I am going to move to Canada.


 No.98531

>>98436

the satanic circle ritual sacrifices children killing is fake and schizo-tier


 No.98647

>>98518

Yeah I thought it was just a title anyone could use. Is it still relevant? I haven't seen any mention of it recently.


 No.98649

File: c7437cb82cce00d⋯.jpg (237.18 KB, 1947x2560, 1947:2560, m9Yn7VE.jpg)

>>98518

>-step null: educate yourself, or make sure you are properly educated. it makes educating others a whole lot easier.

This. But I'll take it a step further: Stop being a fucking loser, if that's what you are, like 80% of the guys who browse this imageboard, you need to seriously start improving yourself, because people don't care about what you say, as much as they care about where it is coming from.

Here's a few more points:

1. We must focus on educating children and younger generations, they will be the normies of tomorrow, in 10-20 years they will be the most influential age group in society. Educating others is important too, but the older they are, the more it is an uphill battle, and since we don't have as much resources as the government, we must concentrate our efforts instead of spreading ourselves thin.

2. We cannot expect immediate results. Don't think of it as a battle to change someone's mind, think of it as sowing seeds which will be harvested much later on. Even if you didn't fully convert someone, you would have sown enough doubt to ideologically stunt them (unless they constantly read commie literature and brainwash themselves).

3. It's not necessary to convert everyone to win. Lenin said he only needed 100 super dedicated guys to change the world, and the same could be said for us. Most revolutions happen because of a 5% of society that is politically active. Again, since we have a lot less resources to work with, we must concentrate our efforts instead of spreading ourselves thin.




File: 64945d19749f5fd⋯.png (99.81 KB, 956x524, 239:131, commie raid 1.PNG)

 No.98396[Reply]

The liberty-promoting zone at the center of the pixel canvas was completely tarnished by COMMIES. Commies organize using discord, and can't keep to themselves. Are you going to let them shit on us?

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 No.98498

>>98497

>Decades

I meant a decade or so.


 No.98508

>>98497

Cars are made up of moving parts with a very clear correlation between increased use and mechanical wear. CPUs do to some extent get more worn from constant use, but even then you can expect them to last for years, and generally you'll need to replace from obsolence well before you need to replace from a failure. What does wear CPUs out prematurely is not volume of use but running over capacity–either at excessively high temperatures or voltage for extended periods of time. What you most likely saw is people doing the latter, overvolting their chips excessively to squeeze a little more performance out of them, and/or not cooling them properly. My machine is going on six years without upgrade or failure, and that's even with a mild overclock.


 No.98515

>>98508

Even if something doesn't move, it still breaks down over time from overuse. Your computer is a rare exception to the rule, but overuse of any electronic circuit degrades it over time. By default a computer shut down properly and only run when needed will last far longer than a computer left on 24/7, because amperage still generates things like HEAT which puts STRAIN on a system even when not being overclocked.


 No.98617

What exactly do you want us to do ?


 No.98620

>>98396

To be far, I remember when we had a thread organizing people to fuck with the commie flag, eve I participated in that, a bt before I realized how childish and pointless it is. So I can't really be mad.




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 No.98600[Reply]

FUCK CAPITALISM!!!

 No.98601

you see, if he were under real capitalism he could have refused to serve him. Instead due to anti-capitalism laws like anti-discrimination laws, he was forced to serve him despite his beliefs.


 No.98614

>>98601

In real capitalism this is exactly how it would play out though simply minus the anti-discrimination laws. You have a right to tell someone to fuck on off out of your store, and if you're a local business owner cool, but when you work for someone else as an employee, and you pull this shit, and your employer hasn't given you a clear list of undesirables, then you're taking the livelihood of your job into your own hands. In a "true capitalist" system this bitch boy would get fired when the guy posts the video and says how this guy assaulted him and wouldn't sell him product because he didn't like his shirt, which would be terrible PR for the company. The video poster was being a cunt for sure, and should have left the moment the employee told him he needed to leave or he'd call the cops, but the moment that employee through a bitch fit/swung at him, he was 100% in the right and was actually being pretty damn kind in that he could have just walked out and posted the video, but he gave the fat bitch boy a chance to redeem himself by just selling him the fucking vape (I'm assuming it's a vape shop).




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 No.97477[Reply]

Me ten years ago:

>ABOLISH THE NSA.

>RE-ESTABLISH THE GOLD STANDARD.

>LET THE GOVERNMENT DEFAULT.

>ABOLISH MEDICARE/MEDICAID.

>ABOLISH THE ACA.

>ELIMINATE ALL CURRENCY CONTROLS.

>BRING ALL THE TROOPS HOME.

I'd be so fucking happy with just the following:

>TSA gets rid of the body scanners.

>Copyright law can not have even more years in length without a supermajority.

>Currency controls are inflation adjusted

I just want a little bit more freedom again :(. God, I just want to see things trend in a positive direction for once.

This world is so fucking depressing. Every year gets a little worse.

 No.97483

Would you really be happy with table scraps? Less angry, maybe, but happy? I certainly wouldn't be.


 No.98509

>>97483

I just want more table scraps next year as opposed to less, for once.


 No.98512

>>97483

Imagine you're starving. No, not just starving, but you're surgically attached to an IV that sucks the nutrients out of your bloodstream to help feed a pack of jackals. Anytime you try to feed yourself you get shunned and tut-tutted for your greed, and if you ever try and remove or pinch shut the IV tube, a crowd appears to pry your hand away, all the while explaining how the IV is actually good for you because it keeps you from getting fat, and besides how would the jackals feed without the IV? Imagine every person who tut-tuts you has that exact same IV sucking their lifeblood out of them too, but make no mention of it at all and even appear confused when you call the IV an IV.

Yeah, I'd be pretty happy just to get table scraps at this point too.


 No.98513

File: 4c237767653567e⋯.gif (2.69 MB, 504x279, 56:31, better_days_in_gensokyo.gif)

>>97483

Pretty much >>98512 honestly. Venezuela and the UK shows things can get much, much worse and nothing will happen. Things could get 100x worse and you could do nothing about it, so at this point getting some fucking cake crumbs would be a blessing.


 No.98516

>>98513

Thank God I don't live in the UK. Where I'm at isn't much better, but it's fucked in different ways than the UK.




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 No.98445[Reply]

Hoppeanism!

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 No.98469

>>98467

Can I make a guess? You're PracticalSpecialist and DramaticEquipment from Redditch aren't you?


 No.98470

File: 85272952e9518d8⋯.png (339.53 KB, 900x506, 450:253, end_of_evangelion_wallpape….png)

>>98466

The state is a terrible weapon that can always change hands. The better long-term strategy is to get rid of politics as a means of social cooperation, and to demolish the state's position as an infallible idol or universal benefactor.


 No.98471

>>98469

I don't know what any of that is


 No.98472

>>98466

Because states are coercive and non-voluntary. And as disgusting as the sodomites are, most of them still count as human beings, with the rights that implies. Those few that don't respond to the very strong incentives to adopt social conservatism are free to die a slow death in a pool of their own filth in the distant land of Sodom if they are so inclined, it's no skin off my back if they do. Even discounting the ethical concerns, the fact is that any system that involves spending other people's money (i.e., a state) will eventually devolve into encouraging the very sort of high time-preference behavior we sought to avoid.

>ultra capitalism

Is that an actual ideology? I've only ver heard it used as a nonspecific term used to criticize libertarians and Tea Party types.

>propertarianism

Why would I be interested in Curt Doolittle's fedora-tipping cult of E-prime autism?


 No.98477

>>98460

Both of them shill for a free market, but Hoppe goes one step further and tells you how would be the best way to act in the free market if you want your community to be successful.

Achieving freedom is only half of the battle, but what you do with your freedom is a different story, so in an ancap society you can be a commie degenerate if you want, but you will be making your own life worse and being a bad influence on everyone else, and Hoppe suggests getting rid of this kind scum before everything devolves back into the leftist dark ages.




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 No.98447[Reply]

Who will take care of them?

 No.98449

I don't think in a free society e-thots would see as much success as in this society, because their value wouldn't be inflated by divorces and male social status lowered by State incentives to hire and educate women both in the private and public sector.

Of course these are just predictions. Maybe in a free society an entrepeneur would discover such an efficient way to satisfy the sexual and romantic needs of men via e-thotting that family and girlfriend and male/female relationships as we conceive of them would disappear completely.

Who knows.


 No.98450

File: 8c08d88c58d4d5e⋯.jpeg (69.25 KB, 720x960, 3:4, 1538850340_Cat-Keyhole-Br….jpeg)

File: 2131545c379845b⋯.jpg (24.93 KB, 620x412, 155:103, 6-7-2018-sex-robot-1.jpg)

Some would still be around obviously. But NEETs can't give half of their welfare check to an e-thot. Also since there is no minimum wage it would be tougher for NEETs get money. Also of you're a loser who donates 500 dollars a month to some 15 year old e-thot masturbate to her for hours a day you'll probably get evicted from you're small apartment because you're leaving cum stains everywhere while you can't even keep up for your rent. As for the thots they'd just have to get jobs and contribute to society.

The people who donate to them are the lowest of the low. And we know what happens to the lowest of the low in a free society

>no gibs

>landlords can evict them

Also as the other anon pointed out, divorce rates would likely be low in a free society. There's no state that can enforce affirmative action or the civil rights act that forces companies to hire women. Women are forced into high paying positions that most of them don't even deserve anyway. When women get paid more then men marriage rates are lower and divorce rates are higher because women don't want to marry men who make less than them. The welfare state also largely contributes to high divorce rates and low marriage rates because it allows some men to just sit on their asses all day doing nothing. So when men are married and have families there is less of a chance for e thots and other shit like alchoholism.

Also since a free market allows for so much innovation and progress sex robots and genetically engineered cat girls would easily beat e thots.


 No.98451

E-thots thrive because the state has distorted the market such that there is no longer a market penalty towards high time-preference degeneracy, and the relative payoff of remaining low time-preference and traditionalist has become much smaller. They wouldn't disappear entirely in a natural order society, but they would be far less common, and their audience far smaller.


 No.98455

Honestly I don't think it would be much of a problem if prostitution was legalized. Whores took away a huge amount of sexual leverage that women today use to obtain power over men.

Funny correlation: in the US prostitution was made illegal in 1910-1915 (https://www.britannica.com/topic/prostitution) and the nineteenth amendment was subsequently ratified only a few years later in 1920.




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 No.96660[Reply]

tranhumanism thread

it is related to libertarianism because transhumanism gives freedom and liberty

so are you taking smart drugs or anything?

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 No.98078

>>97744

Dogs do, maybe marine mammals.


 No.98308

>>98078

xDDDD


 No.98433

>>98003

solipsism? :o

very interesting video, thank you for posting it


 No.98442

>>98003

>There is not objective reality beyond what we observe

But the wave function objectively exists


 No.98446

>>98442

Once again, people not versed in quantum mechanics should not try to use quantum mechanics to justify their point.




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 No.98341[Reply]

Should we be worried?

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 No.98376

>>98352

>brown lady

They actually think Warren is native american still?

Regarding Bernie. I don't think he'll be able to affect that much. He's old and might go senile or die when campaigning or as president.


 No.98389

>>98376

Think the original poster meant Kemala Harris.

>>98341

>should we be worried?

Are you kidding? The one regret I had in the 2016 election is that I never got to see Trump trigger Bernie into a heart attack on the debate stage. So far, that senile socialist dinosaur is the sanest one to throw his hat in the ring for 2020, and I really hope it stays that way.


 No.98391

No you should sit on chan all day


 No.98437

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

This is pretty funny. Its just a straightforward analysis laying out all the obstacles Bernie is going to face in the upcoming election and all his fanboys are butthurt in the comments. They really are children who just want fairy dust and "positive thinking" blown up their ass.


 No.98438

>>98437

>77 year old (((white))) man




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 No.98424[Reply]

Awesome!



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 No.79017[Reply]

is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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 No.97947

My fiance is 100% behind me, the NAP, and the 14 words

>>97812

Fools errand


 No.97957

>>97946

My theory is that in addition to her being more emotionally receptive, it is also YOU who feels a boost in confidence after sex, so you automatically frame everything you talk about in a way that makes it seem so obvious that it's impossible for it to be wrong. Like, if you normally argue about taxes, you might get all defensive and try to explain how they fuck up society, whereas after boost in confidence after sex, you just laugh and tell her to have fun being robbed. Your thoughts literally create her reality depending on how strongly you believe what you're saying.

>I've even joked to her that I'm spreading AnCap with hot dickings. Gets one of those "that was funny but I don't want to condone it by laughing" smile-glares, which is the best.

As fun as that it is, doing that is very counter-productive because women hate losing, and they hate it being rubbed in their face (not the d as in "dick", but the d as in "defeat"). It makes it harder for them next time to admit that you're right and that they're wrong.


 No.98393

is it easier to make leftist or rightist gf an ancap?


 No.98417

>>98393

Leftist since they're more easily manipulated, but that's like saying boiling water approaches freezing temperature faster than cold water.


 No.98422

>>98417

>Leftist since they're more easily manipulated

Yes, but you have to think about the source of the manipulation. Leftist women might be easier to mold, but you have a lot of competition from the media, her degenerate friends, her professors (if she's in university) and her presumably leftist family. And it doesn't necessarily follow that a right-wing woman is "strong willed," it could just be she learned to listen to her father instead of media, in which case your job is made significantly easier.




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 No.98232[Reply]

I was a libertarian from the time I discovered rom paul in 2004. I was 14, and hated bush and hated republicans. Then when i around 25 an i started to think about the media and trump and seeing how badly they lied. I then realized this was because all the media companies are owned by seven companies. Including many of your “local news” Broadcast, they are all owned by a small group of people. Then I realize that i as a libertarian could not make a argument for regulating the media, or banks, or anything really. Thats when started down the path of republicanism. I know the party is garbage, but the founding ideas are better then libertarianism.

This thread is for libertarians who became republicans to discuss. or for libertarians to tell me why im wrong. Cuz ive been having a faith crisis of sorts.

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 No.98365

File: f9322ba52a5ed5c⋯.png (12.47 KB, 320x192, 5:3, 1e63a0c79dade641c4fb86707e….png)

>>98364

Forgot pic


 No.98405

>>98338

>Also you cannot compete with ANY loan as a individual.

What is crowd funding?


 No.98407

>>98405

The wishing well unstable or unfounded solutions libertarians give as overly simplistic cure alls is annoying. You guys have a lot in common with communists in your ability to do mental gymnastics to justify a opinion, be it Diseconomies to crowd funding.

>Why crowd funding wouldn’t work.

No one person has gotten the capital form croud funding to be a legitimate threat to (insert top seven media company) ever. It has never happened. Also the social issues in crowd funding. If they’re funding it the companies success is souly depndent of keeping 10s of thousands of people appeased. Which will likely lead to very schizophrenic programming the in turn makes no one happy. Also this would require such a large investment that it requires many assumptions on your part. Regarding how people would act, and stick around for such a company. Also its flawed in that, if the people funding this don’t see a return on there investment the whole thing becomes unsustainable. Meaning that one person whould have a limit to HOW MUCH they could fund and support. So you’re essentially requiring that each funder become a part time media manager, or create a power structer to manage it to ensure a return. At which point were exactly where we started and instead of seven companies you have eight. An you likely will only ever have eight because the people funding it are not going to fund competition. AND THATS A IDEAL OUTCOME. What would likely happen is you would fund it. Not get it off the ground, due to lack of funding, and then cry.

Or you have something like a credit union where the people fund it indirectly threw a credit union. At which point you have all the same complications that you had with a bank, on top of now having to create a mida company that can make a return on the credit unions investment. Not to mention this would require the existence OF a credit union which also creates a entirely new host of problems introdued into your society assuming you don’t regulate them.


 No.98411

File: 9ffa8bcc2a0a5b7⋯.jpg (430.71 KB, 1065x1415, 213:283, Screenshot_20190220-212306.jpg)

>>98407

>crowd funding doesn't wo-

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

You also over think everything. You don't need an army of journalists or camera crews. Look at Breitbart its alternative media that's relatively popular. You also just dismiss everything as autistic while not even wanting to read a book on the subject.


 No.98412

Why are cumskins such boot lickers? If they goverment tell them to hate their race they go ahead and do it. It's unbeliavable. Bear with me

>be white

>watch tv

>see (((white))) saying whites are bad

>now I hate whites

How the fuck they haven't self destructed yet? bloody hell the jews where right, slaves in human skin




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 No.98378[Reply]

https://www.americahijackedbook.com

Motivated by money and power, Deep State actors grasped control of this country long ago, and since the election of Donald Trump, they've been grabbing and grasping for any last shred of power that they once held over us. Understanding how these actors received their power is critical in understanding why they abused it. Through America Hijacked, we'll take a critical look into the policies and practices of nearly every administration up until modern day to see just how the Deep State came to be, and how they hijacked America for their own personal benefit.

 No.98379

Posting an ad is the easiest way to get me to not read your book.


 No.98380

>>98379

But 17 others purchased the book from this link in the past two hours . . . . so maybe you are just afraid of the truth.




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 No.98039[Reply]

I was reading through Patrick Little's (a NeetSoc who ran for Senate last year in California and got 1% of the vote) platform and I saw this

>Nationalize Google, Facebook, Twitter, and all other natural monopolies in the IT industry.

>natural monopolies such as Google, Facebook

WEW

Also this guy wants to give reparations to blacks LOL

https://littlerevolution.us/2018/01/21/platform/

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 No.98336

>>98335

You should probably make sure your post doesn't contain any spelling errors before implying anyone else is childish. Otherwise people will discount your point.


 No.98342

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 No.98347

>>98342

Shit dude, I guess you were right about everything, my bad.


 No.98357

>>98189

>gave you the proceeds

How many modern Jews do you know of that are still raking in profits from the Atlantic slave trade? You've got some sort of weird point going on here.


 No.98360

>>98347

Im am. Ayn Rand wasnt an ancap and thought they were retards (they are)




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