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Ya'll need Mises.

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I've been looking into the topic of demographic transition and i've come to a confusing conclusion. Demographic transition shifts the reproduction process from (almost) uncontrolled one that allows an addition in working power and long-time security to a norm of having few children that are vigorously taken care of, with high amount of resources put into their future and development so they can be successful in their lives. Does that mean that with greater quality of life and longer life expectancy there's even less incentive to have children and that having them can negatively impact not just theirs but your own success? That way with further technological progress there's one logical conclusion to civilization development - achievement of immortality and rejection of breeding as a survival mechanism. But how will it be resolved until then? We already have a society in which it's easier to be productive and achieve success without burdening yourself with children, and it seems that this correlation will become even stronger. How will it be resolved so that society doesn't destroy itself before it removes this shameless dependency? Will it devolve into a previous stage every time or will transition slow down until technological progress allows it?

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>genetic interest

>AKA a way to calm your fear of death by ignorance and stupiding, as well as being a literal animal.

"Genetic interest" is as much bullshit as "class interest", and you're a spergy leftist that can only use ad hominem because you're too dumb ans scared to accept reality.



>whoa that guy is uncovering our plan

>and speaking about children in a positive way!




Hello hebrew.



>ur a jew

Nice argument. Come when you have mental capacity for a better one.


To calrify: it's an economic question, retarded fags like this biblethumping monarcuck can breed as much as they want and die alone. What i was asking for is what economic incentives can having a child in a society as or more modern as ours have? There's no bigger resource, energy, nerve and life drain than having children and to take care of many you basically have to sacrifice your life for them. So, the question is whether a society where the best-performing, most rational, successful and skillful people are going to have few, if any children destined to have a negative selection take place until the moment its members reach immortality, or are there any rational(that means "so that my genes remain" doesn't count, as this is the position of an animal) incentives to have children that at least in some way compensate for economic disaster they are or some mechanism similar to demographic transition that would keep people improving despite above reasons, like longer life and better medicine? Someone mentioned that kids are a way to secure your future and would be a better mean to do so without welfare state but i don't really see how financially destroying your life for the opportunity to be betrayed, kicked out or whatever is better than actually taking care of yourself by having enough passive income to retire later without any kids.



this xD

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I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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Behemoth is GOAT.

There's some crap ITT, though…

This thread needs more anarcho-punk. It was basically an offshoot of the British punk scene that criticized the original movement for being too conventional and manufactured, so it was more stripped down and raw (less processed), but also a lot more politically aware, and more experimental. The movement was more or less started by Penny Rimbaud, an artist who'd started a communal housing project (Dial House), helped form the modern British animal rights movement, and had studied philosophy at Oxford.

The bands are awesomely diverse. Rudimentary Peni was an anarcho band, but really into horror, and the songwriter was schizophrenic, so he wrote about mental illness. Amebix combined the scratchy anarcho sound with the driving metal of Motörhead and Discharge, and the dark goth/post-punk sound of bands like Killing Joke. The Ex is one of the most prolific bands in rock music, and they progressed from straightforward anarcho-punk, to noise rock, to African Jazz and Eastern European folk. Zounds were a great swaggering post-punk band. Subhumans were a great snotty classic punk band. Conflict was one of the greatest hardcore bands of all time. Lot of good stuff.





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Cream - I Feel Free (Original Music Video, 1966)



''You can ride a great big pink Cadillac to church on Sunday

You can hang around the house with your old lady on Monday

Ain't nobody's business but your own

Man I don't care what in the world that you do

As long as you do what you say you going to

Ain't nobody's business but your own''

Taj Mahal ~ ain't nobody's business



Top 10 Libertarian Songs


which includes…,

Billy Joel - My Life (Official Video)



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I saw them, they ripped their carcass with teeth

I saw them, they threatened each other with rifles

I saw them, they exchanged handshakes with a smile

I saw them, they sat on a throne, in a crown

I saw them, they stomped on each other with boots

I saw them, running each other over with tanks

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, you don't, don't, don't have power

Hey, don't you know that, not yours is power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, in the world!

I saw them, they exchanged handshakes with a smile

I saw them, they sat on a throne, in a crown

I saw them, they stomped on each other with boots

I saw them, running each other over with tanks

I saw them, they ripped their carcass with teeth

I saw them, they threatened each other with rifles

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, you don't, don't, don't have power

Hey, don't you know that, not yours is power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, in the world!

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Why is the MSM so bad at their job?

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>That they're not bad at their job?



Because public education has done enough of a number on people that they don't have to be good at their job.



Really? Last I heard a lot more people were cutting the chord with the one exception being boomers.


I know some people like to say the internet will defeat the MSM but I fear they're trying to co-opt it like with youtube where it's becoming more like Television. Are alternative sites stuck in a tug of war with the MSM?



>No one interested in music listens to the radio to discover new music, and no one is forcing you to listen to music radio.

I listen to radio often, far less common is watching TV.

How often is TV-with-commercials not lame (or inflammatory)?

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is the libertarian to alt right/fascist piepline real? it looks like it's happening with Stefan right now

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Good post, CSA.


AI made mostly by whites.


When were Libertarians more violent than the alt-right?



>Instead markets are about value.

Merit is a form of value, you said so yourself.

>Merit is something that comes from individual judgement

There many markets that uses merit as a form of value. The sports industry is one of the biggest.



The userbase of this board is a small core of regular posters plus a revolving door of NEETSocs and commie NPCs whose rhetoric is so similar they may as well be the same person. There's bound to be some repeated or almost-repeated posts in there somewhere.


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>AI made mostly by whites.

Actually asians, but if you provide an AI made by africans I'd be happy to compare it.



Gonna try to explain myself better, since English is not my first language.

Merit is a judgement people make.

I can judge a product A to be better than product B, but I'll still buy B because I only have the resources to buy B. That's why meritocracy has nothing to do with the free market.

Meritocracy is statism because meritocracy is about judgement and not about renouncing to resources to buy something.

For example when the government's bureaucrats choose who to hire, they choose based on meritocracy because they hire based on who they think has merit. They don't have to renounce to their resources since they have unlimited money stolen from someone. This always happens no matter what they choose. Even when there is corruption, it's still a meritocracy because the person who decides to hire is making a choice based on his judgement and not on the need to allocate resources.

> sports industry is one of the biggest.

There is no industry based on merit. Industries are based on individuals allocating resources. You are fooling yourself in thinking athletes deserve their place because they win games. But they don't always win and often lose, and yet they get a place in a team or play anyway. They have a place in the market because someone is willingly to transfer resources to them, but it's not a meritocracy.

The point is that the meritocracy, being based on a personal judgement, doesn't give space to having other people make choices that we don't like. In meritocracy a person can intervene in a voluntary transaction to impose is will. In the free market instead you have to respect choices other people make that you may find disgusting and bad.

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>Modern Monetary Theory (MMT or Modern Money Theory) is a macroeconomic theory that sovereign governments have an unlimited financial ability to pay for the things they wish to purchase and to fulfill promised future payments. MMT claims that these governments also have an unlimited ability to provide funds to other sectors, and that because of this, it is not possible for a government that issues its own currency to be bankrupt



Banks are innocent and goverment is evil. Tolerance not racism OK


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>it's Keynesianism 2: Electric Boogaloo

What do you think, OP.

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Hats off to Procter and Gamble for taking the risk and addressing social issues. This is a prime example of the superiority of corporations and the free market in handling issues over the government. Statists like to think ancapistan won't have charity, that lack of hate speech suppression will lead to discrimination, and that things will devolve into fuedalism where the lower income groups have no say. But here we have a prime example of the free market solving a problem. While Trump's big government is stalling public services and increasing racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia, here a corporation motivated only by profit, has brought a controversial topic to the forefront, and shot down it's ugly detractors without any government intervention.

With one swift ad campaign, they've revealed and exposed the shocking amount of the populace that supports sexual harassment, all the while doing a good job imbuing strong motivation for the progressive heroes of society. The incels who don't like it can live without household staples like Tide pods and shampoo, instead taking lower quality bootlegs. This is great, misogynists are getting punished by being denied goods and services, forced to support the foreign countries they loathe by being denied American made products.

I used to have doubts about ancapistan because of the number of bigots that would crowd it, but I understand now that the market will always have a solution, and social justice will not only thrive in ancapistan, but will stamp out the scum that holds us back. I can't wait for the pearl clutching manbabies to end up biting the bullet and going back to Gillete razors after this thing blows over in a month or two, haplessly funding P and G's next egalitarian masterpiece.

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Satan makes good points. Hail



>The razor company?

I mean media in general but other anons have brought up good points about the reaction to this ad. So that gives me some hope.


Nice trips Thanks dude you bring up a lot of good points.






open your eyes nigga


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Open your eyes, nigger.

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>When someone gets assaulted and you witness it without doing anything, you are partly responsible

>When someone is starving and you don't give him food, you are partly responsible of his death.

>When someone is homeless and you own empty apartments for rent, you are partly responsible of his condition.

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i think that communities and societies vary and concept of NAP will vary too



People born and raised in a system where there's a hard and fast set of rules that hypothetically gets applied equally for all have real trouble understanding how conflict resolution really works.


Unless I have a relationship with the man being assaulted, I have to reason to care about him.

Unless I have a relationship with the man who is starving, I have no reason to care about him.

Unless I have a relationship with the man who is homeless, I have no reason to care about him.

I am only responsible for their condition in that my choices have an effect on their lives. This is hardly a profound statement as everyone's choices has an effect on everyone's lives. If you want to morally invest yourself in the well-being of strangers who have no connection to you, that is your imperative, not mine.

>but you have an obligation as a citizen to do so

If I have entered into a contract with the collective to act as a public servant in a manner that would apply to one of those scenarios then yes I have an ethical obligation because I agreed to accept that obligation. If I have invested myself spiritually into the community in a manner that would apply to one of those scenarios then yes I have a moral obligation because I have agreed to accept that obligation. As it stands I have done none of these things, and thus have no obligation.

>but the state gives you roads and stuff

Unless I agree to an exchange wherein I help protect the community in exchange for goods or services, there has been no ethical or moral contract created. If you choose to adopt a moral system wherein unasked for favors must be repaid, that is on you. I have not accepted such a system and find it illegitimate.



how does it work?




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history about the Liberal history of Sweden and dispelling the Berniebro memes about the country


That was a pretty decent video.Thanks OP.


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>calling shitholes "developing countries" as if they are developing since colonisation

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How can you be libertarian after this?

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Found the (((CIAnigger)))


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>If I was a Libertarian

Should have KYS right there



this tbh



Do you have any idea how expensive it is to maintain a military? Even nowadays PMCs all operate under government contract. Large-scale armies with $70M Trident missiles and $100M F-35s can only exist under a state through the magic of taxation and fiat currency. If you do manage to pay for a missile defense system with your own money, it's probably for a reason that has to do with your own survival, because the amount of value you get from deciding to blow up the company next door (good luck trying to explain that to your customers) pales in comparison.

>now I wipe out military with shotgun

You'd be surprised. Let's just say for the sake of argumentation someone comes in with a conventional military force. Remember that time when the USSR tried to attack Finland? They were sending tanks up against bicycle companies and ski troopers. Soviet casualties were 8 to 1. Even though the Finns didn't have any tanks of their own, they just ran up to the tanks and shoved logs and crowbars into their treads before planting explosives and running away..

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How do we un-brainwash nu-/pol/faggots?

/liberty/ is pretty much the continuation of the real 4chan /pol/ before it got nuked and cucked by m00t.

/pol/ here on 8ch AKA nu/pol/ is a cancerous cesspit of literal LARPing neo-nazis and actual white supremacists (strange how these words have lost their meaning because commies blame everyone on being a nazi). How do we combat the incessant stormfaggotry? /pol/ leak and hijack other boards, /v/ is already full of stormfaggots and the mods actively ban conservative posters.

When we take back our country, leftist commie marxists will be thrown out of helicopters, but what do we do with the equally retarded morons on the alt-right?

Educate or Execute?

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>>If you really want to know what's going on with the "alt-retards", then you need to know what they

>I already know what they know idiot

>>However, fair warning: You don't change /pol/. /pol/ changes you.

>Lol. I still go on /pol/ everyday and I used to be a "redpilled neetsoc." Then one day I found /liberty/ and I decided to fact check what I knew and I was surprised

And yet, you've somehow managed to present not even a single refutation.

So, your department didn't get furloughed, eh? Guess they've got a sizable slush fund what with the $21T and all.



I don't care about da joos and all your other conspiracies


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>I don't care about da joos and all your other conspiracies

Then you don't care about the topic of this thread or truth, and are doomed to

end by the heel of a boot, or a trial. It matters not whether you are shill or 'tard. You are ill prepared for what is to come, whichever way it breaks. I'd wish you luck, but you're part of the problem.

Either way, your inability/unwillingness to face the truth, or engage in honest argumentation seals your fate.

Worse, you're tedious.



You're a sperg spamming every thread with the same infographics but no one gives a shit about your conspiracies



>Nigger walks in and starts shitting up the board with random infographics and low-quality infodumps that he probably didn't even read before posting

>Probably didn't even read the thread before vomiting all over it

>Doesn't address a single point that was actually made in the thread prior to his arrival

>Thinks that everyone else has an obligation to "refute" the shitheap of unverifiable "information" he dumped completely unrelated to what anyone was talking about

<the topic of this thread

<honest argumentation

>Immediately starts throwing around shill accusations like a true /pol/tard

Your assumption that anyone on the board hasn't already been on /pol/ (and watched it die) and that you're giving us some sort of valuable insight into Jews is amusing. You're about as honest as the Jews you denounce and a prime example of the alt-retard problem. The only value you provide to anyone is as a canary in a coal mine. You are on the same level as a garden-variety pedophile. Thankfully, whether the canary is retarded or not has little effect on its utility.

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Matt Heimbach or Jason Unruhe? /pol/ or /leftypol/

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>the communist reveals his true identity




I'm making fun of the retard struggling to hold up airshit and calling himself tough, not praising him.



I wasn't talking about you; I was talking about the man in the video.



>He seems unhinged. Maybe his Patreon account is drying up

Doesn't he hate capitalism and mindless consumeris-ohhh wait a minute


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Sounds interesting do you have a story to tell about that?

Regarding Matt Heimbach. Post related.

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>all these familiar looking drawing

What are you even doing here on this board.


dont go to cuckoldchan



Well before I was interested in art I was interested in anonymous political banter so I thought I’d indulge a little. Big waste of time, though in my experience



“time, though”

Ugh, wanted to delete but I got cucked by the “wrong password” error


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to what?

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what prevents collusion between oligopolies in a free market? or how are oligopolies prevented in a free market?

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>what prevents collusion between oligopolies in a free market? or how are oligopolies prevented in a free market?

Not having a government powerful enough to give them enormous amounts in subsidies, copyright and patent chests that last for 234987 years, "too large to fail" bailout protections, huge regulatory apparatus built especially to the whims of large corporations for the explicit purpose of blocking out competition, or antitrust agencies that they can easily capture to allow their mergers anyways–for one.



Last time I checked it was the government board formed by Florida's Oranges/Tropicana keeping companies from buying Grade B/Grade C oranges and making cheap orange juice, not Florida's Oranges or Tropicana.



>oligopoly know about each other's behavior

They do not know each other's behavior. Look at Russia for example in the OPEC Plus cartel. They have not been meeting their obligation by delaying their decrease in production for quite sometime.



>It doesn't allow for competition

There's more than one supplier, there's competition. Again, oligopolies form because in certain industries work better with them–if you had "more competition," i.e. many small firms, you would have higher prices and lower efficiency. Why would you want higher prices and lower efficiency?

>Dis-economies of scale

I wasn't talking about disenconomies of scale., actually. But since you brought it up, diseconomies of scale can and do happen in all markets. It doesn't matter how "well run" it is, increased complexity brings with it increased points of failure, increased overhead, and certain inefficiencies. The maximum profitable threshold is different in different economies, but it is undoubtedly present.


<imperfect competition

There is nothing wrong with imperfect competition. "Perfect" competition is not inherently more desirable or "better" than other forms of competition, it's an academic construct. In fact, "perfect" competition is in many ways less desirable, because it implies there's no entrepreneurship, no advertising, no differentiation…in other words, a "perfectly competitive" market is a market which eliminates all of the methods through which firms compete with one another. https://mises.org/wire/why-perfect-competition-not-so-perfect

<Game theory is thrown out the window of the few companies in the oligopoly know about each other's behavior

This is false, on multiple levels. First, it's not correct to say that the different firms know about each other's decisions–the decisions happen simultaneously in most cases, which makes it impossible to know. They might be able to anticipate and predict what the other's decisions are, but that's not the same asPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


What's an example of an oligopoly in the real world that mandates state coercion in the interest of citizens?

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white ancaps

>hurr instelleksuall proberdy isun't reel proberdy

also white ancaps

>c-china i-isn't completely btfoing us technologically without a proper free market, th-they're just s-stealing our technology

>reeeeeee the chinese don't care about our copyrights or patents before improving our products

I swear, every crossboarder thread, even the ironic shitposting threads, all completely destroy and refute this board's nonsense ideology.

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>Effort is not value

Where did that come from? Are you seeing things again?

> I've fucked your argument up six sides over

Maybe you post a quote at least once before fucking arguments over, sweetie?

>all your insults

I didn't even try to insult you, sometimes an accurate description does a better job.

>your grammar and spelling is getting worse

Feel free to quote my mistakes. I remember it started out with me pointing out your illiterate weaseling and your ass just can't calm down since then.

>No doubt your blood pressure is through the roof, and you're halfway to punching out your phone screen

Nice projection

>my list of achievements

Being anal slave is not an "achievement", /pol/ reject.


>you basically just said

You can quote what he said, you know.

>I'll ask again

man, you really like acting dense. You're replying to the post where he explains it.

>stealing IP

So you are saying that chinks are petty thieves that can't do anything right? Pretty good progress, though you've still got far to go.



>going through an autistic sperg out over being outed for being suicidally frustrated

>replying for other people's arguments

looks like I hit the mark. this ancap larper is going to pop a vein, maybe even blow his brains out with a shotgun.



I guess you're incapable of distinguishing your dreams and reality. Maybe that's why you think china is so great.



I was emulating the mindset of a proper ancap, who dreams of ancapistan, most closely implemented in modern china



Still imagining things, huh.

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