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Welcome to /liberty/!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!

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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Capitalist 'Free Speech'

So far in the #YouTubePurge;



The Great Order



Martin Sellner

James Allsup

Steven Crowder

Red Ice TV


Videos deleted-

Angelo John Gage

Gavin McInnes


Red Ice TV

Black Pigeon Speaks

Drunken Peasants

Press For Truth

J.F Gariepy

And many more


Libertarians support 1984, as long as it is 1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods. They can't be taken seriously as they have no genuine interest in *positive freedom*, ie real freedom.

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Capitalism Keeps Losing

Why has capitalism lost the ideological battle AGAINAND AGAINoh and also that other timerepeatedlythroughout historywe never seem to learn? The younger generation is now majority commie ( https://archive.is/W2jEr ). I mean, dear lord, I'm not even sure this board has a majority of capitalist posters anymore. What the fuck happened? Why can't capitalism defend itself ideologically? And how the fuck do I prepare for the breadlines under the neo-bolshevik uprising? Something more useful than "Grab SK, go inna woods" or "go workout/be stoic" pls.

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U.S. Independence

Will the U.S. ever declare its independence from Israel?

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What happens when the bubble pops? Where do we go? How do we drag humanity into luxury space ancapism?

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What now?

Welp, it's Wednesday, what inviolable freedom has the U.S. government taken away to make my life more of a nihilistic nightmare this week?

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What are the best arguments for and against minarchism vs anarchism?

Meaning, should there be a state that serves an extremely limited function (power to execute murderers, defense of country) or none at all (all social functions predicated on mutual consent)?

I'm having a hard time reconciling ancap with Romans 13's apparent affirmation that some form of government is tasked by God with the responsibility to execute proven criminals, and I must recognize scripture as inerrant.

I know Romans 13 is used as just a blanket proof text for all state action and they're obviously committing eisegesis in those cases (roads, firemen).

Both of these positions are libertarian and have impressive figures on each side.

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99% of humans are slaves. We have feudalism

How can people be such slaves to work 9 hours per day for 40 years? Just count the amount of hours you are losing for slavery.

I don't even think of wagecucks as of humans, you are robots, slaves, ants, without brain or consciousness.

Not a single free men would allow something like this, he would prefer to make a revolution and kill those who enslave him, or even die during revolution, than to be such slave like wagecucks are.

There is so much wealth and factories in the world, that we all could work two days per week and still have houses, food, fun. But for now that wealth is in hands of your owners, lords. We have feudalism.

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alright, niggers

I need the ten most important books on right libertarianism. I don't have time for the long ass redundant charts.

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is muslim banking better than our current system if it has no fractional reserve?

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Guys! If we just work less, there will be less pollution! Darn those greedy capitalists!

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The state of Liberty

There is a movement to divide Washington state and create a new state called Liberty

>Creation of new state strictly by gun rights activists

>75% of Eastern WA population supports movement, has congressional backing with multiple bills

>low tax obligations-“government doesn’t produce or own wealth—citizens do”

>”The right to manage and protect life and property will be honored at all levels of government.”

>Currently a voting contest for what the official state rifle will be




The creation of a new state is constitutional

>Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States allows for the division of a state with a simple majority vote of the Legislature of the state and Congress:

>“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”


Would anyone from /liberty/ move to the state Liberty if it was created?

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Exhausted By the Endless Vanguard

Considering the number of replies to >>100308 , even when it's buried deep in another thread, I feel like it deserves to be its own post. Are libertarians just getting burnt out from arguing with everyone since the dawn of the internet? How many of you would describe yourselves as having turned into lurkers? What would you suggest to do?

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Fed up.(venting)

Hey all,

I have become disillusioned, to the point of either expatriating or pushing for accelerationism (if it was not for the NWO). To start off, the Amash vs RINO confrontations are just retarded. Republicans when they lost would at least pay lip service to being conservatives. Then Trump is being a gun control piece of shit, on top of his other shit, thus giving up on Trump being anything other than a Peronist (hell George Bush was more of a conservative at this point). Then people have the gall to say it is libertarians fault because MU Koch Brothers! Even with their money they have not been that successful. But people go on that libertarians are the problem, although most the "libertarians" are conservatives that have a fetish for big government. Further I get tired of people trying to change this country, this land was made for liberty, and I am tired of everyone trying to homogenize the US to be like everywhere else. Fuck them.

And if I sound like I am just bitching , I am not. I have run for office, held appointed positions, and tried to get others elected, just to get shit on by anti-human and anti-evolutionary apes. I am quite tired of it. Further, people complain that housing and other essentials are going up in price, but see no fucking correlation with QE or that prior to 1970 prices were relatively stable, but them everything went to shit after that, HMMMMM???? (Granted the catch up of the Axis powers did not help, but neither did buying goods without producing anything). Yet you suggest, maybe, just maybe conservatives could have prevented this by pushing harder for the gold standard, but that is like number 99 on their list of things to do. Fucktards.

I am sorry if I sound disgruntled, but on top of my things that I considered "my hobbies" being destroyed by people I hate, but on top of that I expected Republicans to deliver on one thing they were ok on, and they fucked that up. At this point if it all goes to shit both sides deserve it. Boomers bitch about this communist generation, but if they would have insisted on a gold standard, maybe there would not be the income inequality that there is, but they stick their head up their ass like there is no such thing.

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How do you feel about the fact that we live in a cyberpunk dystopia?

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What will the age of consent in your private community be?

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Semi-/liberty/ related:

Can anyone post that "meme" (for lack of a better word) where it makes fun of how Neo-Nazis tried to argue that Hitler "tried" to make "peace" with Britain, despite the Third Reich repeatedly betraying promises and diplomatic agreements, and the last panel of the comic has Hitler reeee-ing about "HURR DURR CHURCHILL LET COMMUNISM RISE IN EUROPE REEEEEEE"?

I need it so I can post it to "BTFO" nazi-fags.

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was his transformation as good as kelthuzzar says?

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Slavery can be justified because we are not obliged to recognize the natural rights of those whom we do not expect or demand reciprocal right-recognition from. The state is illegitimate not because it uses violence but because its justifications for the use of violence do not hold up to logical scrutiny.

This is why it is acceptable to own (or enslave, per se) animals like cows and negroes. And why it should be admitted as justified to enslave those who aggress upon you, as the moment they have broken the ethical contract of non-aggression, they are likewise not protected by it.

Societies shall therefore be formed of groups of people who reciprocate the sentiment of non-aggression within the social group. Such social contract is akin to an alliance between macrocosmic states, wherein if one is attacked all alliance members attack the aggressor. If one member begins aggression upon others in the group, and is unable to be resisted, the group can no longer be said to be a society, but instead a pack of slaves owned by one slave-master. As stated, such organization is only 'illegitimate', logically illegitimate, if the slave-master does not recognize his status as an enslaver of men and likely oathbreaker. These titles are objective, of course, and are the metaphysical price of domination. If the enslaver fails to recognize his true nature, his life becomes the domain of lies, and thus he may pay even greater in a solipsistic denial of reality itself.

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Why is the wikipedia page for austrian economics such a shitshow. It literally says that Austrian economists dont use math wtf.

I propose we fix it.

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2019 Summer Infinity Cup

GREETINGS /liberty/

The Infinity Cup is returning once again, and 8chan's boards will be fighting it out on the pitch to claim divegrass supremacy. As a board that has participated in the Cup at one point or another in its history, you are invited to the reveal stream for 2019 Summer edition of the Cup. On Saturday June 22nd, at 3 PM EDT/7 PM UTC, on cytu.be/r/8cup I'll be giving you guys an early look at the Cup's 5th edition, which will include revamped aesthetics, team stadiums and other quality of life improvements I've figured out how to do in PES 17. Hopefully this will get anons back on board with the Cup, considering it has struggled mightily since its 2nd incarnation.

So how is it going to go down? I'll be staging a couple of exhibition matches between teams using their rosters from the last Cup, and we'll shitpost our merry way through the stream. Once the stream ends, entries will be open for the Cup, and boards can start putting together/editing their rosters and kits. Entries will close in early July, the field will be determined, and the Group Draw will take place approximately a week before the Cup kicks off in August. I'm also hoping to possibly introduce managers for the Cup, although I'm still working out the details to keep this from devolving into a namefag dick measuring contest. I hope you all will tune in, and in case you aren't caught up on your board's history, I've provided some links below to get you caught up:



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Hello /liberty/

I am NatSoc, I despise Capitalism and Communism both as Materialist philosophies at best and Jewish-in-spirit at worst. Communists push for Revolutionary action it's not a good kind of Revolution, whereas Capitalists are too reactionary and worried about maintaining the Status Quo or enough of the Status Quo to allow them to stay wealthy without getting their hands dirty.

Recently I've gotten interested in Anarchist ideas and how to combine NatSoc ideas of Race, Nature, Hierarchy etc. With Anarchist ideas of Decentralization, Community as opposed to Government, and Freedom.

The more I got to thinking about it, the more I realized that if we abolish the State a lot of the the things Racialists are mad about would be nullified. The Feds completely re-wrote the meaning of Liberty and Citizenship by force in the Civil War, and a lot of what we hate stems from that ex. Forced integration and "Civil Rights". Jews and Race Traitors would not be able to subvert our Country if there was no massive power structure there to pacify us, we could storm the offices of Anti-White media bosses, Bankers, etc. and give them the correct punishment for treason without ZOG enforcers throwing us in prison, etc.

This is not to say I'm whining about them violating "Muh NAP" or whatever, I believe Might is Right and the only Freedoms and Rights we have are those we take/keep by force. There is no natural human right to anything, if someone is strong enough to take something from you and you can't stop it there is no God of Human Rights who will magically correct it for you.

I've read all different kinds of solutions from a National Socialist/Authoritarian perspective, my question for you all is what is your proposed solutions to demolishing State power and restoring Aryan freedoms?

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Libercucks, once the goverment stops protecting you, how will survive? There will be no police to enforce laws that protect you from niggers, commies, fascists, etc

>inb4 i will teleport behind them and shoot them in a milion pieces with my mcnuke

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Is there such a thing as Usury-free capitalism?

And what would it be? How would it play out?

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Egalitarians cannot defend their positions at all. The only thing they can do is resort to social shaming and appeals to authority, which reveals a lot about how they themselves came to adopt that belief. Even more educated speakers consistently fall back on dishonest rhetorical tactics designed to prevent actual discourse. It's even more hilarious in the case of anarchists who will be enslaved by the very subhuman they love, perhaps this is what they want.

>dude fascism means opressium lmao

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Libercucks, once the goverment stops protecting you, how will survive? There will be no police to enforce laws that protect you from niggers, commies, fascists, etc

>inb4 i will teleport behind them and shoot them in a milion pieces with my mcnuke

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Hi liberty

NatSoc here, what is /liberty/ proposed solution for bringing down the State? At this point I'm willing to accept some kind of Anarchism if it means getting rid of ZOG and Whites get their freedom of association back.

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At this point it's more important to address /leftypol/ anti-capitalism fud and spam on 4chan on boards like /biz/ and others than it is to post on this dead ass website at all tbh. We never would have gotten to this point if it weren't for the subversion of the libertine values of the original /pol/ from the inside, whoever let those shill mods run amok with selective censorship for months on end should have their kneecaps broke.

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>hurrr tax is theft

living in a country with taxes is completely voluntary. all you have to do is make your own country just like making a new business in the free market.

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Is this the best English libertarian imageboard? Is it the only one?

Has there ever been a dedicated site for a libertarian imageboard, that would be detached from the porn and controversy of this larger site?

The free and anonymous nature of an imageboard seems to go hand in hand with libertarian philosophy, just like the observed overlap into the free software movement.

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another proof that women vote for socialists and men vote for right wing

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Atheist Jew


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>David Friedman

Atheist Jew


Son of a literal Rabbi



I feel like you guys are being duped and I don't even believe in the Jewish conspiracy. Something is definitely up here.

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Hey guys,

So I'm going through this video and trying to cite what hoppe says about nazi germany and while I can find sources to prove what he says about nazi germany I CANNOT find any sources for the quotes he says comes from hitler. Can anyone help me? I assume possibly that he is pulling quotes from hitler which are originally spoken and written in german. If thats the case I'd like to have these exact quotations cited to me so that I can validate them.

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So apparently (((DARPA))) is now subsidizing research on how to manipulate cryptocurrency markets. This is disgusting.

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Old one is auto-saging. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc., go here. If you have a "what about ____" question you'd like to ask that you're really, really sure will stump everyone this time, do a quick look over this list: (http://archive.is/bbtHt) before you post–chances are, someone has asked that question before, and there's already an answer or answers available to you.

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Let's talk about Kowloon. Was Kowloon ancap?

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What does entitle you to firefighters

Most libertarians and minarchists refuse to acknowledge healthcare as a service that should be provided by the goverment (nothing wrong with that), while, simultaneously use a wishy washy logic to, through massive amounts of cognitive disonance, say that the local goverment should provide a firefighter service funded by everyone.

Don't get me wrong, it makes sense that minarchists defend a vigilante government that provides police, free courthouses and a small body of soldiers to defend and ONLY defend the country (no foreign intervention allowed) as law, order and stability are public goods, however, I don't see how firefighters are one.

>fire spreads

So do germs and disease, that does not mean that healthcare is a right and that I should fund firefighters to protect you, your property and your business.

>firefighters allow me to defend my property, my bodily autonomy and mantain it at its fullest

So do most welfare programs, but you are a libertarian, not a social democrat, be coherent.

>firefighters are more efficient when they a provided by the government

We are talking about liberty and freedom, not efficiency, that's not libertarianism, that's utilitarianism.

Charity, Pharma research, banking, academia funding and healthcare are also more efficiently provided by the government (or that's what utilitarians say), but that's not an argument against freedom.

Utilitarianism is fucking intellectual cancer.

If you unironically think that efficiency justifies it you are a social democrat that believes in trickle-down economics, not a libertarian

Read Ayn Rand "the Virtue of Egoism": Libertarian ethics are based upon ethical egoism, rationalism and hedonism instead of upon utilitarianism or empirism, other people's happiness are nothing of your concern, and according to our concept of Free Will and human rationality, it is better for them to be like so.

<ibn4 reddit spacing

It's called proper formating.

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49 second

is it professor Hoppe? :o

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For thousands of years of human history we lived in misery and suffering.

Then the planets aligned, and by some miracle we got some sort of capitalism and we got out of misery. Yet most people don't understand this and want to go back to the same policies we used for thousands of years and that kept us in misery and suffering, which is the starting point in nature.

What we're living is a big exception. I wonder how many times in history a society got close enough to start a capitalist revolution towards riches, and yet people started to bullshit and complain, forcing everyone to remain into poverty.

And it's not like things are getting better, you just have to look at how the average economics degree holder don't understand shit and has the same economic insights and knowledge of the average non-student.

Humanity is condemned to go back to the natural state, suffering and misery. Not because of a lack of resources or due to some major catastrophe, but due to its own inability to appreciate what it got.

Fuck this.

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This picture is illegal in Australia.

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What is the best political system ?

What is in your opinion the best political system in the world (existing or theoretical)? Which rules, reforms and institutions come together to form the best political system?

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What do you think about democracy?

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Democratic Socialism

Great. 2020 is going to a full-on 100% card carrying communist v. Mr. Tariff Man.

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Shameless Advertising

Some buddies of mine have opened a new political discord, and I just wanted to advertise it to you guys: https://discord.gg/PCpGM43

We do not intend to ban any ideologies, so any lurking leftyfags are also welcome to join in.

Why have we opened it? Because the good discords have become insular, and hardly let in new members. There are some that let in everyone and have no quality control whatsoever, and others which set out to be circlejerks, or of which I know they will be circlejerks because their admins are frankly idiots. So with this one, we want to return to the golden days of /rwa/ and /lrg/, if any of you know it.

Picture unrelated, and thanks for reading.

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Realistic? implying you would know

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>gay is okay

>fucking animals is okay

>polygamy/polyamory is okay

>freedom of speech/freedom to promote communism

>freedom of religion

>racial equality under the law


So when did you realize that you're basically just a moderate leftist?

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Capitalism violates NAP

Let's say you left a football on the beach. You put a label on it saying 'I made this, if you use it you owe me ten dollars'. Would I be 'initiating force' by using the football without contributing ten dollars?

Surely I would not be. 'You' are not the product of your labour. You may attempt to control or limit other people's interaction with the product of your labour but you cannot do so using force. In that case you aggress against me.

This is true on its own, but also, consequentially, the ability of people to own the product of their labour leads to the separation of ownership from use, which reduces the freedom of wage-labourers.

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we know that free trade increases real wealth, since people have more goods at better prices, resources are best allocated, international division of labor and so on.

The problem is that humans want meaning in their lives, they crave jobs and feeling useful.

If you have a person who works part-time, despite living like a king compared to someone from the 50s, he will feel like a bitch and will eventually lean towards natsoc, and no amount of education can stop that.

How do we solve this?

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/liberty/ board tan

Why don't you faggots have a board tan?

>pics related from OC thread


<inb4 muh snake girl

that's /leftypol/'s and not even a decent snake girl

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The problem with the free market

I've read quite a few free market authors like Rothbard, Mises, Sowell, and Hazlitt and they all make one grave mistake: the false assumption that a consumer is a rational being making rational choices. The consumer is no longer rational when companies are allowed to use all the psychological tricks in the book when it comes to advertising. Companies use celebrities, degeneracy, loud music, catchy music in advertisements to undermine the rationality of the consumer.

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Any thoughts about Tucker's snide against Austrian economics? (~3:55)

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Free Will and Determinism

What is the best sources to read/watch regarding free will and determinism? What is your opinion on Destiny's argument in this video?

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Google/Google Products And The Free Market

Hey /liberty/

So, I know this board is under constant attack, and the mods seem to have given up completely. Therefore, I want to start making quality threads again, regarding Libertarian morality and ideals.

I am a very pro-liberty person, boarding on AnCap. As such, when I engage with the free market, I like to make sure that my priorities are locked in. With that being said, where should we stand, with regard to Google. I constantly see a plethora of disparaging remarks thrown towards Google, due to them recording everything you do, tracking you, etc., from the /tech/ fags. Yet, many /tech/ posters believe in Richard Stallman, and the FOSS movement seems like totalitarian bullshit to me. If you were to follow it, you can only use like 1 browser (icecat or lynx), one OS, and you have to follow all of these tedious rules.

Anyway, here is the conundrum: Google is a free-market company, that offers services you do not have to accept. They are extremely efficient, secure, and good at what they do. On the other hand, they are anti-liberty, and as stated before, they track everything you do. Is it best to avoid Google products? If you use a competitor, that isn't as good, are you still making a Libertarian choice? Do Libertarians/AnCap people need to care about tracking, and how Google uses your data?

The reason I am asking all of this, is because, let's be honest: Google has a total iron grip on the technology world, but they have useful products. If I continue to use Firefox, Protonmail, etc., am I really a free-market advocate anymore? If a monopoly is really awesome and useful, and helps a lot of people, is it really bad? Do I deserve to use products, without having my data tracked/stored?

What do all of you think?

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Social credit system

There's literally nothing wrong with this if the state was uninvolved.

People would gravitate towards the rating system that proves the most trustworthy, which would also tend to be the more transparent ones that have better selection criteria.

Just like now with Airbnb as an example, I could choose to deal with a less reputable person at a lower price. Win win.

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I remember playing this game when it came out nearly two decades ago now. When I first played it, I did not really understand the plot or what was going on. It laid on a shelf for decades, and recently, things calmed down in my life, and I've had some time. So, I went back to play it again.

Jesus H Christ, why didn't I listen to any of this decades ago? WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?! WHY DO I NOT REMEMBER ANY OF THIS?! Was I really so stupid that when someone was directly telling me the truth about what was going on that I just laughed it off as "simulation, lol?" This is so spot-on it's insane. I'm sure this has been talked about to death, but dear lord, this is so fucking prescient it makes me think that Kojima really was outright telling the truth here, or that it's at least low-level predictive programming.

Anyways, I'm going to play through this game and let Solidus win this time. If that ends the game with a bad end. Fine. I'll shut the console off and have my closure.

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The Anarchist Case for Free Market Eugenics

As the Bell Curve by Charles Murray shows, wealth has a high correlation with both IQ and emotional intelligence.

As every libertarian does know the intelectual principle that underlies all human rights is the right to own things or people (i.e. self-ownership principle) through the mechanism of self-enforced self-defended private property.

A requisite for owning wealth is the ability to govern that wealth, as idle wealth is ownerless, for example, an asteroid with deposits of precious ores or uncolonised land.

An animal cannot own property, but a computer can, as animals are unintelligent creatures, and intelligence is what defines humanity.

This is why poorfags are closer to beast than to us.

Ayn Rand was wrong.

Not only poor people are not entitled to our wealth, WE are entitled to THEIR wealth as the animals they are cannot hold property.

Eugenics are good by definition, because income has a high correlation with intelligence, those who are richer are more human than those poorer, thus, any behaviour should be allowed to those in the top, maybe with the exception of degeneracy and charity.

And while it is true that soon Gene Therapy will become avalaible, only us can afford it, so eugenics are still useful to keep poorfags in their rightful place.

People who oppose us, like socialists, vegans or vegan socialists are "people" who want things like taxation, animal rights based on "painism", private charities, human rights not based upon property rights, atheism or antichristianism, labour unions, the abolition of slavery or other any other form of collective delusions.

Effective altruism and charities are not only defective by definiton, but also impossible, as they not only promotes dysgenics, but create an unnatural redistribution of wealth, which should stopped at all cost.

Socialists, liberals and far-left collectivists alike may, in rare occasions, have an intelligence high enough to hold property, however, they are clearly mentally ill, as they contradict the very own property rights that allows them to exist in the first place, thus, removing them from society or turning them into propety would be merely an act of self-defense, I know, I know, it is sad to harm intelligent individuals, even in self defense, but sometimes you have to appeal to common sense and fall into the grounds of some necessary evils, so to speak.

For more info, feel free to Emil Kierkegaard, Scott Alezander or Spandrell blogs on the topic.

>how can I help?

You can promote corruption at a goverment level so people distrusts more the welfare state.

It is easier to attack disabled, homosexual or homeless vermin as not even subhumans like them care about them (hint: the mentally ill are especially easy).

Boicot charities and promote big corporations.

Censor leftists or "right"-wingers who promote utilitarianism, atheism or painism.

Promote dysgenics and use the optics they provide to make leftists look bad, to make them look as the degenerates they truly are afterall.

Godspeed my heros, see you all in our future libertarian utopia.

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Left Libertarian Minarchism

The workers organise their own production like Bakounin 's collectivism but there is a state to tax and provide essential public services. I just came up with that idea, would that work?

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Libertarian 'Seasteaders' Face Execution In Thailand For 'Violating National Sovereignty'



>Despite its location just outside of Thailand's territorial waters, leaving it outside the reach of the country's laws according to international maritime law, the world's second "seastead" was raided by Thai police earlier this week as the country's military-dominated government pressed charges of violating national sovereignty against the two bitcoin enthusiasts who had lived there.

>The couple, Chad Elwartowski and his partner Supranee Thepdet, who goes by Nadia, could face life in prison or a death sentence in a Thai court if they are caught and formally charged. The two had sought to be pioneers in the seasteading movement, which advocates building structures anchored in international waters to allow people to live outside the control of governments and their laws.

>Thai authorities revoked Elwartowski's visa and said they would destroy the seastead within a week. The crackdown has dashed the couple's plans to build 'underwater restaurants' and 'floating hotels' to Phuket.

>But Thailand's navy said the couple's outpost still endangered national sovereignty, charging them with article 119 of the Thai Criminal Code, an offense punishable by life imprisonment or death.

>Build a 6m box floating in the middle of the fucking ocean

>Potentially get the death penalty for an offense as nebulous as "endangering national sovereignty"

Gee, I wonder why they wanted to move to the middle of the ocean? Seems to me "recreational nukes" will be an important prerequisite for establishing a free society in a den of tyrannical governments.

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lets have this thread

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allegedly mrs may was recently in india and she wanted to make free trade agreement with india but their president said that he can agree only if all indians get visa-free entrance to the uk

is not indian president afraid of losing taxpayers?

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Why was the US unable to resist central government?

They could have shown the world the possibility of enlightened de-centralism.

Diverse and beautiful local cultures, with a central government divorced from them all, to serve as their protector.

That way nationalism doesnt get too fierce, or corrode the local cultures, but the local cultures are still protected, and to some extent supported by the centre.

'What went wrong?'

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What would happen if Pinochet ran his economy...

Using Austrian school economics instead of Chicago school?

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please recommend me nice 8ch boards

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>be me

>be ancap

>keep arguing with normies "no dont be stupid anarcho capitalism is not neo feudalism"

>reads history

>discovers that feudalism is actually very based

>realizes that ancaps might as well be neo feudalists but thats actually a good thing

Anyone else or I just actually lost my mind?

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<Goddam antiestablishmentarians. Let's just ban antiestablishment speech.

>First amendment gets in the way.

<Fuck. Maybe we can get some sort of wartime justification.

>Espionage Act of 1917 gets upheld.

<Alright, at least we got that, but I'm envious of how good the U.K. is at controlling their media. Maybe we can regulate the media to encourage them into a few megacorps to at least simplify things.

>FCC established.

<Well, that worked well, maybe now we can covertly control them with spies and blackmail?

>Operation Mockingbird and COINTELPRO gets found out.

<Well fuck, we can wait until people forget about this and then try again.

>Internet comes around.

<Hm, this is going to get out of hand if we let this go. I know, let's covertly fund a few DARPA projects so we can make and control our own megacorps from the start!

>Start "LifeLog" and cancel it the same day Facebook starts up.

>Slush fund the fuck out of Google/Amazon/etc..

<Well shit, subsidizing the media directly under the guise of military projects is working a lot better than when we tried to do it surreptitiously under the CIA. Let's formalize this arrangement.

>Pass Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012.

>Continue directly funding FANG.

<Hm, it looks like 12 people are trying to make an alternative to this stuff. Let's squash that right away.

>Covertly tell the two existing payment processing megacorps to squash your opponents.

How accurate is my history of the past 100 years, /liberty/?

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Let's face it, if Trump didn't magically appeared out of nowhere pic related would be the US president now, I'm starting to think that all this alt-"right" surge was done by the powers that be to prevent the final rise of Libertarianism.

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>so what's this libertarianism thingy, Anon?

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Opinions on disgraced Virginia Senator Nathan Larson?

Title Tbh

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fyi this board was clinically dead for years until this image was posted

>fucking communist fags

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Ethics thread

If you took Stirners "anti-objectivity" stance but was against altruism as much as Ayn Rand what is that?

Also general ethics thread.

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ancap is nice but i like white sharia more because seeing whoredom makes me suffer and butthurt because im an incel


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Late Stage Capitalism

Explain this.

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anti government shills btfo


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Online piracy is socialist by definition.

For an individual to be considered a human being, he has to recognise other human beings as so, thus, as humanity derivates from the ability to hold property, those who do not respect other's properties do not deserve to be respected as human and should be both legal and ethical to shoot them on spot.

Let's say, for the shake of argument, that I don't allow my property to be polluted, such a thing allows me to ask for a compensation if somebody polluted my land or my body with chemicals, cigarrete smoke, etc… a refusal to provide such compensation would allow me to shot the aggresor in the spot or to force my way into earn such compensation, like organ harvesting or debtors prision (which is not slavery like statist say, as nobody forces you to commit crimes, thus being this kind of "forced" labour voluntary at the end).

The exact same logic applies to IP, the main reason why I like article 13 so much, it does not matter, at all, if ideas or information are abundant in nature (they are not- as they relay on scarce resources like time and energy), let me explain:

Water and air are both abundant in nature, however, both their harvesting and removal of pollution requiere resources that are not scarce, pretty much the same can be applied to IP.

As a side note, IP should be eternal, saying otherwhise would be geolibertarian pink-socialism, asking IP to expire is like asking land property rights to expire.

As both a Disney and Activision-Blizzard shareholder you are literally taking food out of my mouth.

So stop illegaly downloading online content you socialist brats or the day of the rope will come sooner than you think.

Thanks for your time faggots. -L

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Chaos Theory

Why don't libertarians respect chaos theory more?


It feels like a great way to get out of the old determinism v. free will debate by arguing about whether certain classes of natural phenomena are predictable as opposed to 'predetermined.' You can better incorporate the salients points of Hayek's local knowledge and Mises' calculation arguments. You can point out socialist hubris. Finally, you can actually speak in a harder and more rigorous scientific point of view.

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New Reading Guide

I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.

So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).

Hope this is of help for someone!

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Tackling the logical extreme

People joke a lot about the NAP and how an ancap would shoot a little kid that wanders into a yard and all that (you know the memes). I fully understand that this case is a logical extreme but in the unlikely chance of it happening would ancapistan have any sort of recourse if a person were to kill an ignorant child for trespassing aside from refusing to trade with them. Is it simply an unfortunate circumstance one has to live with?

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Neocons are subhuman vermin. Show your hate.

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Why do you guys like your surplus labor value being taken by your boss?

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What even am I at this point?

I used to believe in a more ancap-style right-libertarian order, but now I'm starting to see the benefits of having institutions that constitute more than one individual collectively owned. However, even though I think "wage-slavery" as some would call it is undesirable and should definitely be avoided, I don't think it would really be feasible to just outright abolish or pretend that it will not exist entirely in a libertarian order. That being said, I still think some sort of libertarian order would be the most beneficial, and we should progress towards one. And as far as one-man sole proprietor businesses go, the ancap approach generally makes a lot of sense to me. The free-market is cool so long as the autonomy of individuals (assuming they haven't physically assaulted or harmed anyone) is respected and not undermined. Mutual aid is also something that I'd like to see free-markets respect, but the bare minimum I ask for is respect for individual autonomy. It's also important to note that I don't think a state would be able to serve as an ideal arbiter in this system and that I wouldn't be opposed to federations of communes or ancap covenants existing so long as their respected communities properly consent to living in their systems on a basic level and that they don't violently attempt to invade other jurisdictions with no justifiable reason that is able to be confirmed by several legal arbiters (not necessarily ones that run for profit like in a Friedmanian-ancap system either, as I'd imagine a lot of those sorts of organizations that will manage to have any real backing by most libertarian jurisdictions would be the ones that are operated by trained volunteers with no profit incentive). Another thing I should note is that I don't deliberately attempt to adhere to a strict economic school of thought outside of me believing in free-markets that respect individual autonomy, liberty, and to an extent- mutual aid….and I also believe in the subjective theory of value.

On the other hand though- after reading a little bit of Ted Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future, I noticed that Ted actually had some good points that should be considered. I don't find transhumanism/post-humanism to be inherently undesirable, but aspects of it that don't help free the individual from the system of social control that Kaczynski describes should be avoided or countered with some sort of alternative tech. Rather than embracing humans in the more primitive form, we should seek to escape the problem altogether by altering the human condition to the point where there is no human condition to be concerned about- only a post-human condition that truly respects the individual's freedom from the constraints of civilization as we know it. Civilization as we know it should be dissolved into much smaller units of organization, and those units should be dissolved, and so on and so forth until after various transhuman federations dissolve, the newly-born posthuman can be free to do gay space shit at its will. But that's an extremely radical ideal that I probably shouldn't have even typed due to how retarded it sounds.

What's also a bit weird to me is that while I don't believe in states being able to legitimately be justified and while I also don't really consider myself ancap, I agree with the bordertarian ancaps on borders to an extent as of right now in this current state of affairs, as I do not believe that a state relaxing immigration restrictions would be legitimate if that very same state legally restricts your ability to defend yourself or your ability to freely associate. Ideally though, I'd rather like to see no state-enforced borders in later stages of organization.

pic unrelated btw

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In all seriousness (without any helicopter jokes or anything), should those who don't believe in private property be forbidden from owning private property? As far as I'm concerned, from an ethical standpoint, the second you say that private property doesn't exist, you aren't allowed to own your self and your own body, so you become no one's property and you lose all rights as a human being. I know Hoppe came up with this, but I never read about how this would work in practice.

The only practical problem I see with this theory is how to correctly determine whether someone is a property-denier or not so as to prevent false accusations and abuse, while also preventing leftists from dodging punishment when (as usual) they lie and pretend to not be the dirty, filthy leftists that they are.

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>feliks konieczny


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Is regulating the regulators a viable strategy?

Say you despise gun rights. So, you pass whatever possible restrictions are imaginable. Certain kinds of guns get placed in certain kinds of categories with different legal restrictions. You start placing registration requirements on some of these categories. Using infiltration tactics, you take your battle everywhere you can. Some areas, like NYC, are very easy to make it impossible to own a gun. Gradually, through regulatory creep and bureaucracy you effectively nullify the ability to own a gun.

Meanwhile, libertarians' response is, "ELIMINATE X LAW. JUST WRITE IT OFF THE BOOK." But you never see a gun activist successfully passing a law to, "JUST BAN ALL GUNS," they instead take this creep, Fabian approach.

Now, I know Rothbard wrote about how a Fabian strategy won't work, but I want to point out that what I'm saying is subtly different. I'm NOT saying, "Grant us the right to use guns registration-free every third Tuesday of the month," and count that as an incremental victory. Instead, pass regulations on top of the regulators. Make it so bureaucrats have to pass through three different bodies to possibly deny a gun permit. If a response is not received within 25 days, the permit is to be considered automatically granted.

My basic point is that if increasing regulation increases the cost of doing business, then shouldn't increasing regulation on regulators increase their cost of doing business? Effectively making most regulations dead letters because they become effectively impossible to enforce?

Moreover, it gives certain politicians a more politically viable way out. E.g., if a politician votes against compulsory public schools, he gets labeled as "Being against education," mainly because he's "doing nothing." But if he votes for restrictions against the CPS to go against homeschoolers, he's suddenly "Stopping government overreach."

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>be me

>believe in the free speech and rights of all users

>love shitposting and copypastas and meme fanfics

>have god-tier indesign skills and routinely read 8chan's shit

>really pissed off at mods and admins abusing the user class

>facebooks bans Tommy Robinson for criticizing BBC and threatens all their users

>meme economy badmins ban me because my aura of free speech was too great for them to comprehend

>interviewed genius world-travelling technologist who predicts Universal Basic Income becomes a big deal this decade


>youtube gonna soft-censor all conspiracies

>mfw i turn this all into a digizine

>mfw mods and admins forever have wrecked anuses

Userview Issue 2: https://userview.wixsite.com/home

Cost me 40 bucks to display this digizine in order to own the mods and admins, but I'm pretty happy with it. Tell me if I should set up a functioning SubscribeStar or if you feel the Internet's better off without this. I'd probably keep making this either way since it's fun tho.

P.S. it's okay to be namefag.

~E p y c [redacted] W y n n

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the alt-retard threat

How do we un-brainwash nu-/pol/faggots?

/liberty/ is pretty much the continuation of the real 4chan /pol/ before it got nuked and cucked by m00t.

/pol/ here on 8ch AKA nu/pol/ is a cancerous cesspit of literal LARPing neo-nazis and actual white supremacists (strange how these words have lost their meaning because commies blame everyone on being a nazi). How do we combat the incessant stormfaggotry? /pol/ leak and hijack other boards, /v/ is already full of stormfaggots and the mods actively ban conservative posters.

When we take back our country, leftist commie marxists will be thrown out of helicopters, but what do we do with the equally retarded morons on the alt-right?

Educate or Execute?

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Did Cockshott solve the Economic Calculation Problem? He says you can just use computers to handle distribution.

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>imagine defending the economic interests of a dude that own 120 billion bucks in assets

And yet, I am the cuckold.

Nice meme bro. Nice meme faggots.

Individualism is delusional AS FUCK. Might makes right, welfare is not charity, it is a bounty, you bunch of retards, you sure are a fucking bunch of greedy niggers, Jesus.

Deal with it already.

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>selfish and cynical anti-hero that goes full libertarian

Is he unironically ancap?

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i fucking love based korwin


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"Libertarian" fascists

After a couple of months of lurking this forum and reading pretty much every thread I came to the conclusion that many of you (fortunately not the majority) are basically white supremacists who don't like to pay taxes, not even to help the poor white people.

Even Austin Petersen brings up the fact that many white supremacists use Libertarianism as a cover for their racist beliefs:


The Hoppe memes betray your authoritarianism. Why do you fascist faggots who want to ban abortion, drugs, workers rights and homosexuality call yourselves libertarians? Makes no sense.

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>m-m-muh statists!

>m-m-muh state is the enemy!

<a jew is pointing a gun at me, cleary the gun is the boogymen and anyone who wants a gun is a bootlicker!

why are leftists/libertarians so retarded?

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Central bank apologists

Why do Sowell and Friedman schlob the central banks knobs so thoroughly? I finished basic econ by sowell, tried to read rothbard but had to put it down because of the never ending purity spiral of his thought, and and about halfaay through Friedman capitalism and freedom when it struck me what had been nagging at me. Both of these believers in freedom went out of their way to apologize for the central bank, and fractional reserve banking as a whole. It seems fairly obvious to me that fractional reserve banking is not only a dangerous activity that distorts the market by inflating the money supply, but is also something akin to fraud, not only on the depositor for what amounts to stealing his money that is supposed to be earning interest, but also on the borrowers of the bank that are borrowing phantom money that only exists because no one actually asked to see the physical money.

Am I misinterpreting?

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The French disease- republicanism. Hand in hand with equality.

>Freedom becomes a positive good only in the hands of those willing, and able, to make proper use of it. It is nothing short of an evil in the hands of criminals or morally profligate.

>Liberty too widely spread becomes a curse, and furthermore, dooms itself to its own extinction. Reaction or foreign invasion have become the lot any society which have freed its masses.

>The state of the aristocratic subject is not one of dejection, but one of pride. To be subject to an aristocrat's laws is to have any elite who is concerned for your well-being- how much better than the cold indifference of the elite of the republic…

>Liberty is a thing of pride for the aristocrat precisely because it signifies his sovereignty, independence, superior culture, and hence, his worthiness to conduct his own affairs. In the hands of the republican freedom becomes the privilege of all, and thus of none. It no longer signifies any special worth- rather, it shows one's barbarism; one's descent from a lawless region.

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was wallace a commie? :(

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Hayek vs Keynes Rap battle

Dank ass song about Keynesian and Austrian economics. Who do you guys think won?

Round 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk&t=93s

Round 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc&t=525s

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Corporate Socialism

Hey socialists,

Does it ever bother you how you're allies for multibillion dollar corporations? Do you find that strange at all? Does that cause no cognitive dissonance?

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does class cause more division than nationality or race?

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Without identifying the Enemy;

One cannot fight said Enemy.

Who soever opposes The Constitution is our Enemy.

Although, this seems paradoxical because our Constitution allows

for anyone to ideologically oppose The Constitution.

To Oppose = Actively resist or refuse to comply with.

We must allow our Enemies to exist or else we become identical to what we oppose.

This does not mean that we should give up or compromise in any way.

It simply means that we are better than them.

They do not understand this. They do not care.

The one saving grace for liberty is that liberty minded people are rational;

while people who oppose liberty are irrational.

Irrational people are going to make irrational decisions.

Their flaws will be their undoing,

and it is not our responsibility to protect them from themselves.

All we need to do is lay our webs and the flies will entangle themselves.

If hatred and resentment guide your behavior,

it will inevitably be your undoing in the end.

We must remain optimistic and compassionate to everything,

but DO NOT give the enemy any mercy.

They will take advantage of any weakness.

This statement seems to contradict itself,

but optimism and compassion is not weakness;

it required great strength.

If too many Americans, at any point in history,

decide to discontinue their opposition of tyranny; we will lose.

There is no victory. Freedom requires eternal vigilance.

Freedom is not free.


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8chanmania nomination


What is it?

/v/ Nominates 32 fighters to fight for the Champion's Belt and a chance to fight in the 33rd Mania and win the season championship

This week we're having a site wide event and we want YOU to nominate a fighter, so please pick who you think represents the board the most, and then come join us at https://cytu.be/r/8chanmania on Sunday May 12th at 2pm EST to watch your fighters win!

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What is James Bond's political stance?

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If your fingerprints aren't already in the system, is it worth keeping them out of the system in 2019 (USA)?

A hiring company wants me to submit finger prints in addition to standard background check info. I'm inclined to tell them to go fuck their hat, and move on to other opportunities.

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How old are ancaps? I want to know the their exact age, of all 20 of them.

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What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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any incels in here? will inceldom disappear in ancap? if yes then why are not all incels ancaps? maybe in ancap only high time preference people would be incels while virtuous, hard working, rich men would be nonvirgins?

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Liberty 2100: Millenial leadership

Doomers, Gloomers, Clowners, ideologues, and all. Suck it up or kill yourself. Fuck your memes.

You are living on the precipice of a new century and all I can hear all year all day is a bunch of slack jawed incompetents trying to tool the system into smashing good things we have going. Multiple narratives of the cyber-world into a psychological proxy war of established superpowers to destabilize the next. CIA / FSB / and whatever automated Chinese hackers scripts are running through the net. Democratic free speech doesn't allow us to think anymore. It has made us small. If you are above 25 to 30 years old, you are an adult that should have grown out of collegiate nihilism.

Microsoft: from zero to a Trillion dollar company that defined the personal computer market.

Amazon: from a tech boom ebay clone that sold obscure warehoused books, to the central source of international retail.

Google: from a garage search query platform to the one stop shop for global information.

Cucks complaining about monopolies of industries that never existed whose market share is reliant on bringing billions in new revenue that didn't exist decades ago. No true monopoly exists without government regulation. No natural monopoly exists unjustly without providing the best product on the market at the most efficient price. Nobody cares about Yahoo, MySpace, AOL.

Freedom and technology has eliminated jobs you really didn't want to do for opportunities that you never thought existed as a child. You are never getting it back. We have a bright exciting century ahead, and all we keep hearing about is the complaints of guys who've either fucked themselves or are too far unwanted to be worthwhile in the market. If the state is to exist as a strong central authority, it must be used to ruthlessly protect free markets responsible for exponential growth. Electoral infighting, Liberal Democracy, and every identitarian manifestation of the left must be silenced. Chinese Authoritarianism has done the greatest thing with political censorship, outlawing electoral parties, and the self-regulation of it's industry by technocratic leadership that has turned irrelevant fishing villages into world class cities at the heart of global economics. Globalization is not a political issue, it is an evolutionary fact. Sewing together nation states into greater political blocs of interconnected hyper-cities is inevitability of power and cooperation. A species that cannot advance without accepting winners and losers as a natural result of optimized hierarchical inequality, and the unending excuses masquerading as obsolete tribal bodies of a philosophical left.

This is a race against time. This is a fight to the death. Your mortality. You will get old and your masterful insights will be drags on the psychological smut peddlers of social media. You and your children, and their children's children will die. All we have is our lives today, and our labors to the future. So stop wasting your time. Stop skipping out on your life's journey when fashionably bisexual newspaper-blogger woke infotainment fags are liars, living like millionaires, participating in a dishonorable profession that shouldn't no longer be allowed to exist.

Take the heroic stand: Get that job. Do those extra classes. Marry the girl. Be the Father. Put in those hours. Be with your kids. KEEP your cash and TAKE your lives back from the ideological grifter. Then the next time some woke fuck comes to tell you about the latest in the Illuminati conspiracy to steal your time, make him shut the fuck up. The future depends on it.

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Freedom of Spreech is evil and wrong. Change my mind.

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>leftists can't understand this

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ITT: Post things we'll see in Ancapistan.

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Was he really all that great of a president for USA? Let’s be honest here fellas.

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Is liberty just going to get cp'd to death?

Every time the government wants to pass something horrible that past two decades, it's the same four excuses:

>X helps proliferate child porn.

>This is a tool to stop money laundering.

>Gotta get tough on terrorism.

>There's a human trafficking crisis.

I know there's a lot of people who come onto this board and meme "BUt whAt IF thE chILd COnsENts," but is the libertarian movement going to get crushed because you can basically justify anything an authoritarian does by remotely connecting it to "Cracking down on CP" (or terrorism or human trafficking or money laundering)? Increase TSA searches because that cracks down on CP. Take away VPNs because those are used for CP. Take away Bitcoin because money laundering and only people selling CP would launder money. Take away everyone's gun because some hick in Virginia liked his gun and his cousin's mother-in-law turned out to have a ton of CP.

There's no talk about what would ACTUALLY stop this sort of stuff. It's always this fucking gut reaction. I'm getting kind of depressed by it.

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Capitalism doesn't work.

Pic related. Imagine a construction company having to buy 10 bricks from this guy on the street, and then having to go to another guy on another street to buy 10 more bricks, and then to another guy on yet another street to buy some more, and so on… until they reach an amount of 10 000 bricks. It would take ages before any work is done.

How else would construction happen if the government didn't produce all the bricks and build shit for you? There are many examples like this, but they prove that ancap, markets, businesses, etc… are just a fantasy, and only fascism (but more specifically, national-communism) is the driving force of civilization, at least the commies got this part right.

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meanwhile in european (((universities)))

>Whiteness. Race and the shifting codes of social privilege

>The aim of the course is to examine the concept of whiteness and its functioning in different historical, social and cultural contexts. During our classes we will analyse ways in which whiteness is constructed within changing systems of status hierarchy and pose a question about its relationship to a category of race. We will draw on theoretical approaches adopted in „whiteness studies”, discuss the origins and development of this research field and relate it to wider studies on ethnicity, race and racism. Referring to the works of sociologists, historians and anthropologists we will show how whiteness has organized and defined different forms of social privileged that is still perpetuated by the cultural patterns of valorisation operating in Western and non-Western societies. In this context we will also discuss whiteness in connection with issues such as culturally conditioned perception of the body and ideals of beauty, whiteness and class, whiteness and gender, whiteness and colorism. During the course we will not only focus on scholarly works but will also consider representations and problematizations of whiteness that can be found in literature, visual arts, film or advertising.

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Can we fix this shit? I hate how all these (((experts))) just label shit however they want, and then stupid neet-socs buy into it and actually believe they have "freedom" in their countries.

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What are some good guides and strategies on how to make money and manage finances? I figured there's no one better ask.

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What is the difference between (relatively) free societies like the USA and Japan when it comes to culture? Why is it that Americans never really developed a unique culture despite having a lot of time and freedom to do so, but the Japanese were always a culturally rich nation, even well into the 21st century?

My own theory is that it's partly because of generational wealth and property rights, I don't believe it has anything to do with their race or with some super secret way they were brought up or any of that bullshit.

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Hippity Hoppity no steppy weppy


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Hoppe on the Austrian tv show Hangar


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A Critique of Capitalism from the Right

I would like to bring to your attention the direction in which the Monarchist/Neo-Reactionary movement is going: anti-capitalism. What's interesting here is that they criticize what they perceive as failures of capitalism from a coherently right-wing authoritarian position, rather than from typical Marxism.

The latest installment of this phenomenon is the rise of Carlylean Restorationist, who has been a very frequent and prolific blogger on Jim's and Spandrell's blogs (you don't have to know who these people are) before launching his own blog:


(It's not about fashion, kek)

What is interesting here is that he collects and articulates the anti-capitalist, pro-statist viewpoints of fellow Neo-Reactionaries, and does so in quite compelling a manner. So, at any rate, I'd suggest that some folks who browse this /liberty/ board look into CR's blog and see if they are convinced by what he's put forth.

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Spook thread

What spooks do you like and dislike the most.

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<There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

Why is our BO such a retard?

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Were Jews Responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution?

Toughts on this?, as background for this guy, he has a loot of content about WW2 but its not limited to military history, he speaks a loot about economic policies and political history (also has other videos about miscellaneous history topics). also he has jewish blood (not jewish tough).

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Capitalism is a stage of history. It didn’t exist untill feudalism was destroyed. And it won’t exist forever. For the rates of profit are falling. Prove me wrong, I dare you?

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What happened with the citizenry of democracies that they degenerated to the point where they could no longer be trusted with private ownership of weapons?

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Maduroshills are idiots


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For an individual to be considered a human being, he has to recognise other human beings as so, thus, as humanity derivates from the ability to hold property, those who do not respect other's properties do not deserve to be respected as human and should be both legal and ethical to shoot them on spot.

Let's say, for the shake of argument, that I don't allow my property to be polluted, such a thing allows me to ask for a compensation if somebody polluted my land or my body with chemicals, cigarrete smoke, etc… a refusal to provide such compensation would allow me to shot the aggresor in the spot or to force my way into earn such compensation, like organ harvesting or debtors prision (which is not slavery like statist say, as nobody forces you to commit crimes, thus being this kind of "forced" labour voluntary at the end).

The exact same logic applies to IP, the main reason why I like article 13 so much, it does not matter, at all, if ideas or information are abundant in nature (they are not- as they relay on scarce resources like time and energy), let me explain:

Water and air are both abundant in nature, however, both their harvesting and removal of pollution requiere resources that are not scarce, pretty much the same can be applied to IP.

As a side note, IP should be eternal, saying otherwhise would be geolibertarian pink-socialism, asking IP to expire is like asking land property rights to expire.

As both a Disney and Activision-Blizzard shareholder you are literally taking food out of my mouth.

So stop illegaly downloading online content you socialist brats or the day of the rope will come sooner than you think.

Thanks for your time faggotred swine. -L

<tfw this is my 5th try of uploading this shit

Thanks Josh, you PHP pro.

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we should send gifts to Janusz Waluś, the hero of our times. he is still in prison even though he served his sentence

also jakób skrzypski https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1LQ1MZ

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As early as 1875, a vision for Eurasian-American cooperation was becoming realized as leading Americans and Russians alike foresaw the construction of telegraph and even rail lines across the 100 km Bering Strait crossing separating Russia from Alaska. Proponents of this policy on the American side included Lincoln-ally and Colorado’s 1st governor William Gilpin, whose book The Cosmopolitan Railway was published in 1890 showcasing a “post-imperial world” where mutual development was driven by rail lines across all the continents and featured the Bering Strait rail connection as its keystone. Many of Gilpin’s co-thinkers in Russia grew in influence and even convinced Tsar Nicholas II to endorse the project in 1905. The fact that the newly completed Trans-Siberian Railway was modelled on Lincoln’s Trans-Continental Railway and carried train cars built in Philadelphia made this concept very feasible in the minds of many people in those days… not excluding a British Empire that desperately wished to see this potential destroyed.

>tfw communists singlehandedly prevented what would have been the biggest war-prevention mechanism and global anti-poverty lifeline of all time

>tfw American-Russian relations are still ruined to this day between them and FDR's shit-tier government

It hurts, /liberty/

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Ok, so ITT: /liberty/ describes their ideal marriage partner/waifu.

What's it gonna be? Trad thots? Modern sluts? 2D only? Non-whites? Traps? How high are your standards? What would you absolutely not want to see in a woman? Would you date a commie? Would you date someone with piercings/tattooes? Would you date someone who drinks/smokes? What else?

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/liberty/ btfo

why do you follow an ideology made by Jews for their own benefit

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>ancucks thinking they will survive without their mommies

>ancucks thinking they will survive a week without laws to protect them from big mean fascist and commies hordes

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how will people solve 5G problem in ancap? is sending 5G radiation into someone's property a violation of NAP? will in ancap people defend their properties with counter-radiation or some kind of a shield? okay G5 radiation is (probably) not unhealthy but in ancap we will have many crazy tinfoilhat people i hope

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Cloning humans and /liberty/

What are main libertarian thinkers thoughts on cloning? My question is not ill intended, I am really interested on it and I would love to clone myself instead of having kids with my partner.

I am going to give you a bit of my backgroud, I am studying biochemistry at college, I am about to end my degree, I fully understand that clonation is not perfect and there is high risk of mutations and random changes, which are normally harmful, but every pregnancy has also the same chance of mutations and random changes (that is how evolution works in all living beings afterall) but new technologies like CRISPR-CAS9 offer the possibility to correct those copy-paste mistakes that occur during the cloning process.

I am mostly interested in the libertarian ethics of cloning, obviously statists, anarcho-commies and even some minarchists are not going to feel like allowing it.

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Peterson blew it when it came to Marxism


There are real flaws with Marxism like economic calculation, scarcity, government mismanagement, etc but Peterson didn't know enough about that and just came off looking like a conservitard. Because of this, it will be much harder to call leftists out on their bullshit.

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What happened in San Francisco?

Well the Deep State is very alive in San Francisco and ran a pyscologicol operation on me and yes think Manchurian Candidate scenario in play? Well wrong guy for sure and safe I am and exposing it I will.

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Why do some AnCaps think they can survive in "their" perfect world?

Some AnCaps believe they can survive and live the Fallout dream? Why are they so disillusioned while others could possibly do it?

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Fun Thread: Idea for a /liberty/-themed hentai gaimu

In the future, the world is run by a single planetary government, new laws declare all people to now be no longer legally considered human, except Males whose Genetics are 75% or Greater West-European, 75% or Greater East-Asian, or are 50% West-European and 50% East Asian.

Females and those who were not White or Yellow became less than animals, they now had the same legal status as inanimate objects with no value whatsoever, anything could be done to them, and they could become the property of any West-European or East-Asian Male, if that occurred, they'd have some measure of protection in the same way any piece of property receives legal protection from the property rights of the owner, however, this offers nothing in the way of the property's protections from their owner, or from anyone acting with the owner's consent.

The planetary government had segregated the planet according to race, giving the West-Europeans exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the East-Asians, and giving the East-Asians exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the West-Europeans, no member of one of these two races is permitted to immigrate into the territory of the other race, though visitation is permitted, Half-Breeds between the two races may immigrate between both of these territories, being the only ones permitted to do so, but they are also forbidden from working within any government positions, being the only racial group to face such a limitation.

The only laws of the planetary government that now exist (for those they still apply to), are the laws of the Non-Aggression Principle, meaning that the only crimes are property crimes and crimes against the person, the principles of consent and ownership form the foundation of all laws, this means that crimes like murder and theft are all that remain, and everything else, such as intellectual property and any limitations on the freedom of expression, animal rights, labor rights, and even the age of consent have all been completely abolished, this means that things such as cannibalism, necrophilia, incest, pedophilia, and bestiality have all been permanently legalized, since the laws cannot be changed by anyone, even those at the highest levels of power are rendered powerless to make a single change since the act of doing so is treason.

The government itself has been pared down to that of a Night-Watchman State, only the services needed to enforce the laws, respond to emergencies, and to protect the planet from any possible threats exist, all funded by taxation, which the government considered another necessary exception to the rule of the NAP, the taxes are collected as a Georgian Land Value Tax, meaning that every landowner pays the government a flat percentage of the total value of their land as a form of ground rent to the state, "owning land" is instead considered to be renting it from the state under this system, as such, the term has been replaced by "holding land", the "landowners" are instead referred to as "landholders", and the system is similar to a serf renting land from their lord under feudalism.

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I used to be a socialist when I was in my teenage years. Anyone else here have a similar past? For me, it probably started because–I shit you not–of SimCity. It was kind of cool, I mean, there's certainly much more of a social scene in socialist groups than with libertarians, and at least when I was in uni I found it a lot easier being a socialist than any other kind of ideology.

The first crack had to be how poisonous socialists really can be with each other. I mean, I understand libertarians have their own version of this, but at least I haven't seen the majority of libertarians go completely vindicative spreading every false rumor under the Sun to your entire social circle. Or how violently angered they get with you over disagreements. I mean, libertarians do the same, but at least with libertarian friends I've been able to talk to them the next day.

More importantly, there were just this pervasive, fundamental issues underlying socialism, and it had to do with this underlying and pervasive atmosphere of hubris combined with moral righteousness. "Oh, you poor African country, I know what your problem is. Here, let me fix it for you." At first, it felt good to give these sort of arguments that made me feel so much more intelligent than everyone else, or even to give to charities with this kind of thinking. But after pragmatically looking at the consistently terrible results, it's just very difficult to maintain that kind of cognitive dissonance.

That wasn't really what dealt the killer blow. It's weird, because I really liked building and engineering systems, which was why I like(d) SimCity so much, and I applied the same thinking to naturally come to a socialist position. But when I started thinking from the perspective of just how amazing self-organizing systems are (especially since they require practically NO engineering), and the natural consequence of what sort of things happen when you let others find their own way, then that was when my support for socialism finally began to dissolve and I could see all the other faults that had been building up in my thoughts over my youth.

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Confederacy of Independent Systems

What does /liberty/ think about the CIS/Trade Federation?

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Libertarian media

Let's talk about fun Libertarian media, movies, video games, anime, music, anything that comes to mind. That goes for media that are actually libertarian in nature as well as those who simply have the themes of freedom in them.

>C: The money of soul and possibility control

An autistic battle-shounen themed around economics and taking the Austrian side of the debate.

>Outlaw Star

Not really Libertarian in the traditional sense of the word but has themes of freedom in it. The main characters are basically a bunch of adventurers that do not consider themselves to be under the jurisdiction of any law and follow the ideology of "Outlaws". They are not criminals mind you, just people who do not believe in the state having power over them.

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cucks btfo

/liberty/ btfo once again.


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Incels and the right to commit suicie

Libertarian-leaning incel board had this up:



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How do you think the gameplay of an ancap strategy game would ideally work?

For the story, I have two things in mind:

>1. You inherit a business empire, and have to get a monopoly on the whole market while trying to out-compete rival business groups and survive the growing power of the state as well as various anti-capitalist factions

>2. You are a multi-millionaire who is sick of liberal totalitarianism and leftism interfering with your life and the lives of your fellow countrymen, so you decide to take your fortune to some unoccupied territory and build a capitalist utopia with other like-minded businessmen while competing with their businesses, and fighting off aggressive states who are unhappy with the amount of freedom that you and your fellow ancaps (or not) enjoy

In ordinary RTSs, you just throw resources at the barracks to shit out soldiers, which go and secure more resources to enable you to shit out even more soldiers, and it's basically a contest between players of who can do this the fastest. No game (not even city-sims) ever takes the market into account, where you have:

>a realistic economy

>citizens having their own lives

>citizens having their own wants and needs

>citizens earning their own money

>citizens spending their own money

>citizens building the villages, towns and cities that you're supposedly trying to protect, and being responsible for all the progress in their part of the game world

>the player being a citizen like everyone else, who can take part in the market and influence it with what power he has (or if playing as the government, having society react appropriately to government laws/actions and looking work solutions and work-arounds to the problems that government creates)

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You Can’t Make an Alternative to Patreon Because Banks Won’t Allow It - Andrew Anglin & Weev


>There is no way to create an alternative funding platform, because everything is a private company. I think that probably Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson can create something that they will be allowed to operate – probably without PayPal, but with some bank doing credit card processing. And Sargon of Akkad will be allowed on that. For now, that will be allowed. Because I think that some people realize that this whole “shut it down” program is going way, way too fast. Eventually, it won’t just be PayPal that is shutting people down, it will be all banks and Visa itself. Because banks and Visa have the ability, technically, to deny people service based on their political ideology.

Couldn't there be a Patreon alternative that solely uses cryptocurrencies instead of credit cards?

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Ebola airport CDC boards plane at airport

Ebola Outbreak Map.Com


April 14, 2019

A migrant arrived sick vomiting blood with a high fever, the migrant arrived at the local airport from an international flight.

CDC officals boarded the plane and took the migrant off, while giving passengers forms to fill out to submit to CDC.

Passengers were given phone numbers to call in to report ebola virus symptoms for the next 21 days the incubation period for Ebola virus.


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New UK law: Up to 15 years jail for watching terrorist content

>It will be an offence to view terrorist material online just once – and could incur a prison sentence of up to 15 years – under new UK laws.

>The Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill was granted Royal Assent yesterday, updating a previous Act and bringing new powers to law enforcement to tackle terrorism.

>But a controversial inclusion was to update the offence of obtaining information "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" so that it now covers viewing or streaming content online.

>The rules as passed into law are also a tightening of proposals that had already been criticised by human rights groups and the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, Max Hill.

>Originally, the proposal had been to make it an offence for someone to view material three or more times – but the three strikes idea has been dropped from the final Act.


>Viewing terrorist propaganda online in the UK could now land you in jail - under a new law that's just come into force. Government says the new measure is aimed at preventing terror attacks.


First they lock up the guy exposing the criminals who run our governments (and threaten to extradite him to a US supermax gulag for life), and now they've passed a law where you will get 15 years in jail for viewing anything online (whether accidental or intentional) the UK government arbitrarily deems to be "terrorist material."

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We should become socialists

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the liberty of those who don't want it?

In the end a decently informed libertarian knows more about socialism than socialists themselves, but unlike socialists he also knows about capitalism too. This means that you, as a libertarian, can easily become a big defender and promoter of socialism.

Then with all those books/speaking/tv royalties/politics money, you can buy whatever you want, maybe even some land somewhere where you can build a libertarian utopia, if you still believe in it. But why buying land? You could just use your influence in the State to wage war and conquer lands for yourself. Or buy some cocaine and some prostitutes, who cares? Just enjoy the fruit of those cucks who want you to rule over them.

Honestly, it's a complete waste of time trying to let people know about the advantages and the morality of liberty. These people refuse liberty for themselves and others. Marx and associates gave us an exceptional tool to pilot the masses to work for our personal interests. Voluntary slavery. Think about it: if you were to cause suffering among the people with your socialist policies, it would be their choice. You would basically make socialist suffer while you run all the way to the (swiss) bank with their money. It's them who decided to vote for you, after you promised to put their neighboors down in order to make them all equal. They wanted evil, you just capitalized on it.

Of course there will be some innocent victims, but who really cares? It's nothing compared to the enormous amount of statists that will suffer. You will make them poor slowly, day after day. A taste of their own medicine.

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna join the local social-democratic party today.

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Every commie thread ever.


It's been a week and I haven't seen a new ultra-commie thread, so I figure I'd post one for our commie friends, I'm sure they've just been too busy lately :^).

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Yang 2020

Have any of you read some of the policy proposals coming from the Democratic candidates for 2020? I mean, Sanders is already known to be a socialist, but Yang, holy fucking shit. This stuff reads like dystopian nightmare fuel, and I'm not even touching the UBI stuff. I really encourage you guys to read this stuff, it's fucking insane. I mean, I'm an autistic weeb lolbertarian, and I think this guy has out-autismed ME for fucks sake.


>In order to spur development, the government should issue a new currency – the Digital Social Credit – which can be converted into dollars and used to reward people and organizations who drive significant social value. This new currency would allow people to measure the amount of good that they have done through various programs and actions.

>Imagine an AI life coach with the voice of Oprah or Tom Hanks trying to help parents stay together or raise kids. Or a new Legion of Builders and Destroyers that install millions of solar panels across the country, upgrade our infrastructure and remove derelict buildings while also employing tens of thousands of workers. Or a digital personalized education subscription that is constantly giving you new material and grouping you with a few other people who are studying the same thing. Or a wearable device that monitors your vital signs and sends data to your doctor while recommending occasional behavior changes. Or voting securely in your local elections via your smartphone without any worry of fraud.


I have no comment on this.


>As President, I will…

> Create a new time banking app to track points awarded and traded for helping your community and neighbors

> Donate all my points to the top-earning high school students in each state.

> Set time banking points prizes for a visit to the White House and a meeting with me and/or fun civic-minded local celebrities


>Making Taxes Fun

Just the title, dear fucking lord.


>Invest in AI counselors and other technology that may be helpful in identifying and treating mental health issues across a broad population. The AI would refer issues to a human psychologist.

>Promote the use of AI for social workers

>Promote the use of AI and telecounseling for those who need a psychologist

This stuff needs to be memed to all high-hell and back, holy shit.

Pic definitely related. This is a presidential candidate. Dear lord.

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Is he ancap?

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Does anyone else like the book "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World?" Any other Brownouters?

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white cucks btfo

/liberty/ btfo once again


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New Tor Board (not spam plz no ban)

Hai fren! I made a new tor board called VileChan, please come over because it would make ver me happy.


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Jews in libertarianism

>Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, Galicia, Austria-Hungary (Ukrainian : Lviv, now Ukraine).

Should this concern me?

Do I have any guarantee that he was not informed by malicious talmudism, given that he was probably exposed to it? Everything he wrote certainly seems to counter it.

>You're just a /pol/ anti-semite

The NWO is overwhelmingly Jewish. The Frankfurt school is the Genesis of our present statist situation. Obviously you're not a member of the NWO by virtue of being born a heeb

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Socialism's stagnant wage growth

It surprises me that socialists don't understand how they're responsible for how wages have stagnated for the past 50 years.

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Recently I've decided to widen my horizons and see what lalala-libertarians and other cucks are up to in my country, and they are really fucking cucked beyond belief.

I'm talking about people supporting filtering the web, censoring "fake news", unlimited migration, feminism and other degeneracies. And these are not just some young guys on the internet but people with a following, even older people who have been screwed by the State and the same mechanism they support (censorship).

At this point I say fuck them. What's even the point of supporting liberty if even those who supposedly support liberty are anti-liberty?

This battle has already been lost. I need a way to get out, psychologically, and put my efforts in other things.

The truth is that I feel powerless, so I don't want to just not associate myself with liberty, I want to become powerful and influence the world towards less liberty just for my gain.

Sorry for blogposting, I'm sure some of you may have been in a similar situation before

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What point distinctively separates a duel from a physical altercation in AnCapistan? If someone waves a gun at you/calls you a faggot and you proceed to pull out your own gun and tell then to back off, is it self defense against an NAP violation or is it escalating the situation and providing consent to a fight? What if the whole neighborhood insists you agreed to a duel but you only did so because you were coerced into accepting it?

tl;dr- At what point does it stop being an NAP violation and start becoming you being a little bitch in a consensual beat down when someone riles you up/picks a fight with you?

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Fucking hamsters will live in ancap utopia before humans.

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Should bribing be legal in a free market? Epic Games is trying to cut into Steam's market share by paying off game developers to make games like Borderlands 3 exclusive to the Epic Games Store.


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kelthuz on dtube


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Paul Cockbutt's Labor Time Economy

Oh boy, time to take a look at the latest alt-left pseud, Paul Cockshott and his video "Getting Down to the Details"

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk )

>"we'll leave 'the Shops' out for simplicity's sake in our 5-point diagram [but we'll use the 'millions' denomination to sound like we can relate this to a real population lol]"

>at the moment I'm ignoring the flow of goods to schools and hospitals

<Video is called "Getting Down to the Details" but he doesn't hesitate to gloss over things that are inconvenient for him to explain, even in theory

>"the Factories"

<Cockbutt establishes in the comments section that even the production and pricing of specific commodities like sugar beets should be mandated and thoroughly controlled based "on science" so it begs the question of "what factories" will be allowed to exist to begin with, how many factories there will be, how many people they will individually employ, what types of workers will be employed there and what these workers will earn-as well as whether these workers will have chosen to work there or had been appointed. This is the kind of thing you'd expect to be touched upon from a video entitled "Getting Down to the Details".

>Cockbutt says in the comments that: "if you work harder you get paid more"

<allowing a company to subjectively pay individual employees more or less based on individual performance is allowing these workers to acquire disproportionate capital relative their peers and maybe even start selling things at a profit in "labor time credits". This isn't far-removed from status quo "capitalism" where workers are paid a wage based on factors both objective and subjective.

<Will a surgeon earn the same as a teacher or a trashman, what about other "public servants"? Don't expect an answer here. There are 821 different types of "Job" in the United States currently, I'd hate to be the guy that has to apportion out the duties and dues of all of them on an individual basis.

>"income tax is canceled out"

<Cockbutt doesn't attempt to tell us how many people are working in "the Factories" as opposed to "the Hospitals" and "etc." but he does know that "the Factories" will need four of something and "the Hospitals" "etc." will need two of something. Well actually the income tax is just assumed to be discarded and everything that isn't from "a Shop" from the "Hospitals, etc." is thus made free*

>Cockbutt claims in the comments that "China is 40% socialist"

<even though it has lower real public sector employment and taxes than the average OECD country, 4 million new independent businesses being created on a yearly basis and has unaudited livestream girls raking in thousands of petrodollars weekly (as this butthurt, decadent western roast beast can attest: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird-and-disturbing-world-of-chinese-livestreamers )], to put simply, China's current year economy (as opposed to its culture) is wholly conventional and its successes or failures can't be claimed by "socialism".

>Cockbutt claims in the comments that if you're not independently wealthy in a capitalist society you go hungry and starve, but in the U.S. and Britain it has been repeatedly shown that poor and unemployed people are much more likely to be obese than employed and wealthy people which is a complete contradiction.

Would you trust your society to commissar Cockbutt, anon?

* = in exchange for discarding 33% of your non-circulating labor time credits into "a bin"

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>communism doesn't wo-

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Cronyism and Equality

Don't firms and individuals in a capitalist society have large incentives to rent-seek, in other words, isn't it the case that cronyism an endemic feature of capitalism?

If individuals with enough money can and have an incentive to use rent-seeking to get political favors, is that the real argument behind trying to force income equality? In other words, are proposals for income equality because of a more positive institutional arrangement than a direct moral argument?

Related Link:


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liberland citizens please report in itt

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recommended me some anti communist books besides the black book of Communism, Mises and Hayek,

and bloodlands

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OC dump thread

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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was ataturk homo and freemason?

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are ashkenazi Jews on average more left-wing even when you control for variables other than jewishness?

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Empirical Evidence for The Labor Theory of Value



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ancap was created in minds in the 60s

political preferences stem from biology

so people with similar biology to ours were living 100 and 1000 years ago

i wonder what were they like, what were their political preferences

laozi comes to mind, do you know any others?

alco picrel

also Paul Emile de Puydt

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Republican general discussion.

>why should I embrace repulicanism?

Our political system is broke to fuck but anarchists and libertarians cannot make valid arguments to protect consumers from monopolies. One of the only functions of the government is to protect it’s citizens part of that is breaking up monopolies that fuck the consumer over.

>reeeeee government causes monopolies what about my diseconomy and copyright laws!

As far as I can tell diseconomies aren’t a thing that can exist in a advanced society, And while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by Ruger an the name means something. Also its fair to the person who made ruger to benefit souly from it for a time.

The libertarian an anarchist are often forced to make Fringe arguments that you need a political science degree to understand and no ones sure if they actually work. A Republican can make an almost intuitive argument from a classical liberal perspective while still championing a small weak government.

I know the party is garbage with neocons but the foundation and ideas are still a sound is ever. So This thread is for arguing about that and general discussion.

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Wtf the Beatles were BASED?

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"The Anglo is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an individualist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is …"

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alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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can we have a book thread?

I'll get the obligatory charts out of the way

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Socialism: the World's Greatest Diet Plan!

Why does socialism keep growing until it reaches a level of starvation and famine in some countries?

Also, it kind of feels like the Holodomor and Mao's famine is forgotten about.

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How do you define 'liberty'?

Is it a dichotomy or is it a continuum?

If the latter, what does it mean for someone to be freer or less free than someone else?

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Over-regulation caused the financial crisis.

To what extent do you think that the massive uptick and increase in financial regulation before 2008 caused the financial crisis?

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In the late 50s, Sweden used to be very socialistic. Their economy was stagnant, regulations were at a much higher level than today, and taxes and regulations looked like they were going to keep increasing. Intellectually, the scene looked even more dire. The socialist-lite Swedish economist Gunnar-Myrdal had recently won the Nobel prize in economics, and there seemed to be no intellectual light at the end of the tunnel for a more liberal economic theory to be plausible in Sweden.

But then, abruptly, things changed coursed. Sweden deregulated at a massive rate. The size and scope of the government decreased dramatically. Now Sweden is among the top ten in its economic freedom score.

What happened? How did libertarianism win in Sweden?

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the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

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Poor People

I don't know much about libertarism, but I wanted to ask what happens to poor people. Do they get any help? Or do they just be poor forever?

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where does this quote come from

>Only 24% of people who reported sexual fantasies about children also reported sexual contact with children. (This number is not mentioned in the study, but can be easily calculated using the data in Table 1: (38+49)/358.)


i saved the quote but i should have saved whole webpage

the webpage was linked in /hebe/ or/and /phile/

im posting in in this board for i think this board is visited by /hebe/ and/or /phile/ anons

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I feel like he's going to end it

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As we all know, war causes rampant inflation. Should the government intervene and raise the wages of workers with rampant inflation during a war?

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Are Firearms in America becoming a Religion?

The Great American Experiment is a fascinating thing to read about in history. The more you read about the founding and early history of America the more it makes sense. In particular the rest of the world see's America as having a truly alien, fetishistic view of firearms. To the rest of the world they are tools or an abhorrent genie let out the bottle it can never be put back in while the view seems to be that Americans view guns in the same way other cultures view religious iconography. But the big deal seems to be a lack of understanding the 'why' of that.

Reading books like 'The Indifferent Stars Above' or Historians talking on the subject really impresses the horrible reality of the colonial times that i don't think the rest of the world understand. Take England for example. It has been inhabited since before the Ice Age. Castles and rudimentary civil engineering has criss crossed the land for over a thousand years. There were bandits and thieves but the land was small and developed to the point that there were sheriffs, town guards, lords and kings and so on for a long long time with things like the Roman invasion and the clans before that. The concept of the vast untamed endless forests of the land are such an ancient memory that England and France were still a joined landmass at that point.

Compare to America 300-400 years ago tops. A mind blowing, endless new frontier. Predators and sicknesses that you have no name for and behind it all? no police. no guards. Especially for the westward expansion settlers. It was an alien continent and the only safety between a man and his family was what else but his Gun. How many families during this period were saved because the family rifle or revolver got them through some form of attack? families that lived through that time, had descendants to pass on their trials and all recent enough for it to still have a special meaning. What was there for them when Natives circled the wagons? The law? no. The bible? no. It was the Gun. The Gun made America and was ingrained as the saviour of it since its comparatively recent inception as a nation.

Now you see the NRA on tv nowadays and they are visibly comparable to preachers, zealous congregations and just as militant and insular. The only major difference between the NRA and the Catholic Church in the nation is the Church has more control over film ratings and controlling a media message, but as we've seen with the reactions to school shootings in recent times the NRA wants to try, because their totemic idols are under threat of removal.

Do you think firearms are a religion in America? This is no troll comment, from a historical, sociological standpoint it looks like a far more successful version of some modern scam like Scientology. This isn't to shit on anyone on here with guns and the history certainly makes the reaction understandable but if push came to shove and the government came for one would these people fight more for their bible or their rifle?

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Anarchy: What it is, and what it isn't

For some reason it's really hard for a lot of people to grasp a simple concept.

"The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, authority." Thus, the term refers to the state of a society being without authorities or an authoritative governing body."

Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean what leftist cucks did with the term later on, this is what the word means "without authorities or an authoritative governing body".

So unless you think you can change ancient Greek definitions, gtfo with your garbage interpretations of it.

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Authoritarians and paranoia

Okay /liberty/ (or any of our visitors), riddle me this:

>/pol/acks don't want a libertarian social order, because in the absence of a state, everyone would racemix and Jews would subvert us

>/leftypol/ does not want a libertarian social order, because in the absence of a state, everyone would discriminate against minorities

In other words, the fascists think that everyone is an SJW unless the state intervenes, and the SJW's think that everyone is a fascist unless the state intervenes. Both assume that people are naturally incapable of doing good, even though both have diametrically opposed conceptions of what is good.

How can that not cause anyone to have a moment of big thunk? Why are fascists not reassured by the fears of SJW's, and vice versa? My guess is, this is another case of the two ideologies of progressivism and slightly more right-wing progressivism being suspiciously close to each other, this time in a more psychological way. Both fascists and SJW's share not just the same authoritarian sentiment, but also the same misanthropic, paranoid streak.

I ignored correct labeling, for the sake of convenience. I don't care if these right-wing authoritarians are actually fascists or not, or if the left-wingers who are afraid of racism are SJW's or black supremacist Maoists.

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This thread is for discussion of property rights, self-determination, natural order, right-libertarianism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Left-Libertarians, Cosmopolitan freaks, Open borders cucks and other assorted libertine degenerates need to fuck off.


Questions are welcome, however many are repeated often. We advise you research the basics before asking.


>Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/7K1EJYb8

>Discord & Book Club: sXwfD5K


>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard)


>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard)


>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

>Bump for Life, Liberty, and Private Death Squads

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How do you fuck up so hard?

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>Debunking Austrian Economics 101


just gonna leave this here :)

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I want to become skilled with weapons and physically fit. I want to travel all the way to New Zealand to kill this scumbag who killed the innocent. He doesn't even deserve a trial. He is no "red-pilled lad," he is a statist; he is a collectivist. A self-admitted fascist and, which he admitted himself, identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

Thread Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43yLMgXXOU

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Human Action

Okay, be honest, which one of you statist faggots infesting our board has actually read this book?

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why does the fed get so much hate? it literally lowered mortgage rates

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Where are the limits of property?

Come on you lazy niggers, let's solve this question once and for all.

Is only what you produce your property?

What about the air/bodies of water?

Can land be property?

What is the minimum amount of labour required to homestead a plot of land? Does homesteading give you the right to dictate the use of said land in perpetuity?

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Republican general

>why should I embrace repulicanism?

Our political system is broke to fuck but anarchists and libertarians cannot make valid arguments to protect consumers from monopolies. One of the only functions of the government is to protect it’s citizens part of that is breaking up monopolies that fuck the consumer over.

>reeeeee government causes monopolies what about my diseconomy and copyright laws!

As far as I can tell diseconomies aren’t a thing that can exist in a advanced society, And while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by Rive and while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by ruger, an the name means something. Also its fair to the person who made ruger to benefit souly from it for a time.

The libertarian an anarchist are forced to make Fringe arguments that you need a political science degree to understand and no ones sure if they actually work. A Republican can make an almost intuitive argument from a classical liberal perspective while still championing a small weak government.

I know the party is garbage with neocons but the foundation and ideas are still a sound is ever. So This thread is for arguing about that and general discussion.

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Federal Budget


Show me your budgets /liberty/.

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If you had a few spare billion dollars lying around, how would you spend them, /liberty/? I would invest it into these island structures and build ancap in some warm part of the ocean.

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The Battle Of The Boards

8chan is mostly filled with statists. Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism? I couldn't find any. I see a lot of smart people on /liberty/ but I think most intelligent people steer away from 8chan because of all the retards on here.

If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

Let me know, if enough people care I'll make it.

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Convince me to abandon the state

How would a society without a state and no limits on "personal freedom" not degrade into a degenerate multiculti Globohomo society? How would it last with no restrictions on trade? There would be deficits the economy would shit itself. You cannot privatize borders anyone would be free to wonder in. Society would lose all its values and no one would create children anymore and the society would ultimately die.

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I got deleted from /pol/ and bumplocked on /leftypol/. I'll try here too just for the fun of it:

The world is not as bad as you think it is. We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.


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So ein Hurensohn

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where does /liberty/ stand on individualism and collectivism?

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Welcome to 8chan, newniggers! I know, since you've discovered this place, you've been trying to find a home for political discussion. Unfortunately, /liberty/ doesn't suit your political views. That's fine. There's a great alternative waiting for you:


Hope to see you there!

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When a libertarian decries the minimum wage, they are only focusing on the costs the employers’ face, that is what is seen. However, they fail to notice the unseen, namely that as employees wages are higher, they spend more, hence sales and revenues of a business rises. Minimum wage doesn't create unemployment. The broken window fallacy that the libertarians use so often shows that we could have a minimum wage law. Further the broken window fallacy is retarded because it can apply to the private sector too. If a restaurant owner sets up a restaurant aren't other owners being deprived of rental space? Libertarians also like to say that the public sector cannot create jobs. But they do not realize that the public sector brought the world out of the Great Depression via the military. They also say that there shouldn't be any public spending during a recession but they do not realize that people have less money to spend in the private sector because very few people have jobs.

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Sometimes I wonder whether it would be a good idea to go onto commie forums, pretend I was communist, but then troll them by attacking the in-group by saying that they are not communist enough. Just try to get ideological opponents to falter by making them accelerate to the most extreme possible opinions possible. Just destroy any modicum of moderate political opinions that the left have.

I kind of feel like this has already been going on without my doing anything anyways.

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after studying economic history I can see that a central bank is needed. When Andrew Jackson ended the central bank and implemented a "hard money" policy he caused a huge depression.

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>Rolf Harris: Why We Know He Is Innocent.


>Rolf Harris should have been given a retrial.


>Rolf Harris and the case of the sleeping Metropolitan Policeman: Bias and Unfairness in the Rolf Harris Trial


>Rolf Harris - Beyond reasonable doubt?


>Rolf Harris is a victim of a heinous conspiracy.


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Under Thatcher the free market Prime Minister the unemployment rates skyrocketed. Gee I wonder why? is it because she was opposed to government spending??!

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Stickied Thread

BO, I know you lurk here at least occasionally. I've learned to appreciate the hands-off moderation, but could we please change the image in the stickied post to be something other than that political compass? You have DemSoc and honest-to-God statism listed in the "welcome" zone. Neither of those, and arguably nothing in the bottom-left quadrant, belong in the welcome zone.

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Libertarians and Socialists are same


>profit is theft

>profit is unearned wages


>taxation is theft

>taxes are unearned wages

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>That moment when Gray realizes that Anarchy is good for business

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Limits to Liberty

I think one of the limits to liberty is believing in philosophical systems that run contrary to liberty.

If you, as a libertarian, want to invite muslims into your country… you are fucking retarded and probably not a libertarian.

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If one wants to understand economics from the point of view of austrian ther eis the Tom Woods Show, mises.org, PFS, ecc

What about other school of thought? In particular I'm curious about the chicago school. Is there an equivalent of mises.org or the others are cool enough that can just survive in academia?

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>get banned from ancap discord server for making helicopter memes and "what if the child consent."

Fuck redditors and fuck discord.

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What does /liberty/ think of street art? Isn't there something freeing about putting your name on something sacred to a normie for the enjoyment of yourself and those who can appreciate it?


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Things libertarians don't want to admit


Traditional Marriage as it was practiced before first wave feminism 100+ years ago, was created without the state, across cultures through voluntary social interactions.

We would likely to go back to such a system. The only reason why people still get married is that they mistake and get fooled by civil marriage and think it's real marriage.

In actual fact just having a long-term gf is more real of a marriage, than actually marrying her under state marriage, because it's natural for women to ONLY get your ressources, if they stay with you. You corrupt that and basically create an incentive for women to immideatly leave men, once something is not to their liking, if you marry them.

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First job in California

So I finally got my first job in California and now I honestly have a obligation to vote for someone without a D after their name, Long story short I pay close to FIVE HUNDERD DOLLARS a month in taxes for no good reason. Where does my money go? And for who? Why are THEY or the GOVERNMENT entitled to my hard earned money. I work in a factory mind you, before this I actually voted for the Green Party… Not making any o this up, has coming out of my NEET habits and growing up really made me understand what is what in this world. Any place I can start with ebil gapitalism?

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Capitalism is a Marxist strawman that was designed for failure and you guys gobbles it up. Marx coined the term Capitalism and gave it his own definition which was a strawman. Everyone just believed that the opposite to Marx's system was the strawman definition he gave. Numerous schools and politicians have gone on defending a Marxist strawman. Marx created division and a false dichotomy that you must choose one of two radicals. Marx was evil

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Capitalism as a result of determinism

Is there any book, tesis, article computational analysis, whatever aside from marxian theory that understands capitalism not from a moral point of view, but from a deterministic pov, as in the current state of things isn't the result of some ideological or social manipulation scheme but rather that, capitalism is the only way to actually organize a society? Below I share a video I watched the other that got me thinking about the possibility of perhaps capitalism, or rather markets, being the common rule of law today due to the fact that a more elaborated system like communism wouldn't be able to compete.


>In artificial intelligence, an evolutionary algorithm (EA) is a subset of evolutionary computation, a generic population-based metaheuristic optimization algorithm. An EA uses mechanisms inspired by biological evolution, such as reproduction, mutation, recombination, and selection. Candidate solutions to the optimization problem play the role of individuals in a population, and the fitness function determines the quality of the solutions (see also loss function). Evolution of the population then takes place after the repeated application of the above operators.

>Step One: Generate the initial population of individuals randomly. (First generation)

>Step Two: Evaluate the fitness of each individual in that population (time limit, sufficient fitness achieved, etc.)

>Step Three: Repeat the following regenerational steps until termination:

>Select the best-fit individuals for reproduction. (Parents)

>Breed new individuals through crossover and mutation operations to give birth to offspring.

>Evaluate the individual fitness of new individuals.

>Replace least-fit population with new individuals.

also don't post boomer shit like USSR propaganda because it was doome due to geolpolitics and so on. I am talking about some legit that includes pshycology, sociology, statistics and so on

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Does /liberty/ have more great examples of rich commie kids, living the good life, enjoying their parents hard-stolen wealth, or otherwise moving as far away as possible from the socialist utopia their parents created for everyone else?

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is the west really going to fall? what will it mean?

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Possible Bunkers?

In case you haven't heard yet, some /pol/ack in New Zealand decided to go full Siege and shoot up a mosque, making a post to 8chan shortly before the event, and making a few references to the site in his livestream. There's a non-zero chance that 8chan wil get Zucced as a result of this. On the off-chance that happens, it may be in our interest to designate some other imageboard as a "bunker" in which we may congregate should this place go down. Any initial candidates? Livebunker.rocks is the only one of which I know, but it's more chatroom than true imageboard.

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This movie (In time, 2011) supposedly should be anti-capitalism, but it ends up being a pro-capitalism movie when read using economics as a framework.

The premises are that people are engineered to never get old, but they have a timer and when the timer expires they die. So, they use time as money since they can exchange it with other people. From the movie it's implied that there is an unlimited amount of time available, in theory, and the scarcity is artificial and probably created by the government. Yet, this is an anti-capitalism movie. You see where this is going?

But even if time was a scarce resource, why the hell would someone use time as currency? It doesn't make sense because when you have to pay your last two hours for a bus fare, the price is automatically too high and not worth it. We know that the currency isn't necessarely valuable because of its possible applications, but it's mostly a system to represent value and exchange it with other people. So, stability in currency is something seeked and time is certainly not stable as currency since its value change greatly base on how much you have of it. Nobody would really use time as currency, certainly not to the point of risking their life. Other things would be used as money, unless of course it wasn't the government to force people to use time as a currency, which is something that is happening in the society depicted. Forcing people to use a certain thing as currency is not capitalism.

Then we have the prices for goods that soar and the rich girl telling the protagonist something along the lines of "we do up the price so that people die". It seems that we have a central planning board choosing prices, which is absolutely not capitalism and not free market. I won't even discuss it firther here since this is literally chapter fucking one of basic economics of Sowell.

Then there is the problem of "if everyone had infinite time we would die of overpopulation". No, we wouldn't. If property rights were used, people would just not create new humans because it would be too expensive to mantain them. Also, there would be privatized incentives to get sterilized or at least have your fertility put on hold. Truth is, we already live in a situation where nothing is stopping us from reproducing. Yes, people die eventually, but the same happens in the movie since accidents and other events can happen. There is no reason from stopping people from getting infinite time (also good luck stopping time pirates giving everyone time on the black market in exchange for resources of actual value, like bullets and guns to fight the communist but self-proclaimed capitalist government portraited in the movie).

Then towards the end there is a dialogue that goes like "for someone have a lot of time, many should have none". I mean, you see the shitty metaphor, right? That's not how it works in a free market economy. Everybody is better off because we exchange things we need with each other. I buy the milk from you, you buy the glasses for your kid, the optician buys something else, and that's it. We rearrange resources and we exchange what we create, in order to improve each other life. That's capitalism. There is nothing in it about taking from other people, forcing them to use an arbitrary resource as currency (time), and things like that.

In the end, the movie is fun, but I can't belive people can spend such huge resources accumulated thanks to a quasi-capitalism system, to create a world that is not capitalism, call it capitalism, and then shit of it. The only good thing is that it shows how shitty life is when the government interferes with the economy. Too bad people will get the opposite message.

As always, what can I say? Fuck the hollywood commie jews, I wish they would stop being such slanderous faggots.

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The world is going to end...I'm not sure I care anymore.

What do you do to distract yourself from the fact that every year the economic control of the State is going to get worse, that the younger demographic is very socialistic, the threat of the default of the entire financial system, and the threat of nuclear war and/or other apocalyptic events that always loom on the horizon?

I watch shitty Japanese cartoons, play videogames from the mid-90s, and then remember I'm just distracting myself as I listen to vaporwave in a depressive stupor.

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Over time, after becoming anarcho-capitalist, I've began to realize that Max Stirner is right. I started out as a deontological anarcho-capitalist, but over time, I realized that morals are spooks. I realized many truths along the way.

1) Being deontological is an oxymoron. One of the most famous deontologists is Kant and Kantian Ethics defines rules as what would be most beneficial if everybody followed them. What's that? Rules are only good if people benefit from the consequences? Wow, it looks like you are actually a RULE CONSEQUENTIALIST. Anyone who is truly deontological for truly "moral" reasons is entirely devoid of logic and instead creates morals purely out of "feels." It's a petty disagreement, but an important note to make.

2) Deontology leads to ridiculous conclusions. According to deontology, morality is objective. What if I were to trespass on another's property in order to save someone's life? Would I be wrong to save someone's life? Would the owner be wrong to defend their property? Are we both right? Are we both wrong? Us being both right implies this is a moral grey-zone, meaning morals are not objective.

3) Traditional consequentialism is retarded. No-one can know the true consequences of their own actions for certain. Consequentialism is just gambling with ethics thrown in. Consequentialism sounds good on paper, but the consequences of this philosophy is collectivism. That one can be sacrificed for the good of the many. It fails by its own principles.

4) Morals are spooks. Moral rules are implemented in the form of laws with the purpose of stability and because they are most beneficial to each individual. Personal morals are simply pleasing your own "ego;" your desire to feel good about yourself. For example, to an anarcho-communist, no-one can own property and they do nothing wrong by robbing others of their property. From their perspective, property rights is the aggression. The problem with communists is that a communist society is not beneficial to the individual, as force is used to steal and because communist societies inevitably collapse under authoritarianism and mass-starvation.

5) Being an egoist does not mean you don't believe in human rights. It's just that human rights are derived practically instead of "morally." Any intelligent egoist can recognize, that in a society where "rights" are not respected, somebody will always have "rights." It's just that only those at the top will. And any intelligent individual will realize that, chances are, you will be the one stripped of your "rights." As such, it is for the benefit of the individual, the ego, to recognize others' "rights" so that they will recognize his own.

6) Everybody is an egoist. Egoism is simply the recognition that all actions are done for selfish reason. Even altruistic actions are done selfishly, to satisfy the egoists individual desire to be good.

Please explain how I'm a retard. Am I just being edgy and autistic? Am I being too petty over minor disagreements? Explain.

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Universal Basic Income - Andrew Yang

Another forced trannypol meme that is owed a measured response is the Universal Basic Income. It needs to be put down wherever it rears its hyperinflating head so here's some information I was able to put together.

Estimated current US Population over 18:


Cost of $1,000/mo ($12,000/yr) per 18+ individual per year:


Current Total Federal Budget:


Estimate total gross revenue of 10% VAT (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-would-rate-be-under-vat):


>but people already receive benefits

True, but this proposal still involves much more spending; let's look at some of the bigger ones and maybe exclude the lesser ones:

62 million people currently receive Social Security benefits receiving an average of $1,200 monthly, so that group of people would add a substantially lower number versus what is already collected, 148,000,000,000 instead of 892,000,000,000 were they not already receiving benefits of some sort.

42 million SNAP beneficiaries receive an average of $253 a monthly so they would cost an additional 376,488,000,000 on top of the 127,512,000,000 they already receive (504,000,000,000)

All told that is a decrease of about 367.5 billion, but still leaves a 2.7 trillion dollar deficit unaccounted for

At best a 10% VAT (i.e. increasing the cost of all goods and services produced or offered throughout the entire country) will only help fund the UBI by around 25%. You would need a VAT of almost 40% to cover it in its entirety, or add the 10% VAT and also increase income tax revenue by 60%

>but the bureaucracy

Yang says that it will cut down on bureaucracy etc., but at least for the 62 million social security recipients who are already receiving more than $1,000 a month they have no incentive to leave the current system or its "bureaucracy" behind.

Also it's worse than it looks, consider the potential for fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFUDaPulUy4 ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5jY14RRjk there will be illegal immigrants and many of their children who don't even live in the US claiming $1,000 a month who will benefit from this relaxed "bureaucracy" as well

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what's the cause of this house debt and student loan debt crisis? why is student loan debt and household debt skyrocketing? why are people buying less houses? is it the government or a side effect of the free market?

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Purity Spiral

Should chicagoans and other non-misesian libertarians even be called libertarian?

<Economist Milton Friedman considered Mises inflexible in his thinking:

>The story I remember best happened at the initial Mont Pelerin meeting when he got up and said, "You're all a bunch of socialists." We were discussing the distribution of income, and whether you should have progressive income taxes. Some of the people there were expressing the view that there could be a justification for it.

>Another occasion which is equally telling: Fritz Machlup was a student of Mises's, one of his most faithful disciples. At one of the Mont Pelerin meetings, Machlup gave a talk in which I think he questioned the idea of a gold standard; he came out in favor of floating exchange rates. Mises was so mad he wouldn't speak to Machlup for three years. Some people had to come around and bring them together again. It's hard to understand; you can get some understanding of it by taking into account how people like Mises were persecuted in their lives.

based Ludwig

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Justifications for Liberty

What is the best ethical justification for libertarianism? Mises used a utilitarian defence and argued that libertarianism ought to be adopted because it produces the most happiness and prosperity in the long run. This justification isn't particularly strong however, because many people have endgoals which they prioritize over liberty or prosperity. There is Hoppe's argumentation ethics, which essentially says that any action which infringes on the rights of others cannot be argued for without a contradiction, and thus that action is irrational. He also has the position that libertarianism is the best means of avoiding conflicts between people. Then there's Rothbard's view on the matter, which he explained in The Ethics of Liberty. The basic jist of this view is that it is natural for humans to exercise control over themselves and their justly-acquired property, and thus wrong for someone else to infringe on someone else's person or property and inflict their own will. There are probably other justifications which I am forgetting or unaware of as of yet, but which is the most concrete.

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is pic related a good way to destroy competition in a free market?

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How French “Intellectuals” Ruined the West: Pozzmodernism and Its Impact, Explained

Pozzmodernism presents a threat not only to liberal democracy but to modernity itself. That may sound like a bold or even hyperbolic claim, but the reality is that the cluster of ideas and values at the root of Pozzmodernism have broken the bounds of academia and gained great cultural power in western society. The irrational and identitarian “symptoms” of Pozzmodernism are easily recognizable and much criticized, but the ethos underlying them is not well understood. This is partly because Pozzmodernists rarely explain themselves clearly and partly because of the inherent contradictions and inconsistencies of a way of thought which denies a stable reality or reliable knowledge to exist. However, there are consistent ideas at the root of Pozzmodernism and understanding them is essential if we intend to counter them. They underlie the problems we see today in Social Justice Activism, undermine the credibility of the Left and threaten to return us to an irrational and tribal “pre-modern” culture.

Pozzmodernism, most simply, is an artistic and philosophical movement which began in France in the 1960s and produced bewildering art and even more bewildering “theory.” It drew on avant-garde and surrealist art and earlier philosophical ideas, particularly those of Nietzsche and Heidegger, for its anti-realism and rejection of the concept of the unified and coherent individual. It reacted against the liberal humanism of the modernist artistic and intellectual movements, which its proponents saw as naïvely universalizing a western, middle-class and male experience.

It rejected philosophy which valued ethics, reason and clarity with the same accusation. Structuralism, a movement which (often over-confidently) attempted to analyze human culture and psychology according to consistent structures of relationships, came under attack. Marxism, with its understanding of society through class and economic structures was regarded as equally rigid and simplistic. Above all, Pozzmodernists attacked science and its goal of attaining objective knowledge about a reality which exists independently of human perceptions which they saw as merely another form of constructed ideology dominated by bourgeois, western assumptions. Decidedly left-wing, Pozzmodernism had both a nihilistic and a revolutionary ethos which resonated with a post-war, post-empire zeitgeist in the West. As Pozzmodernism continued to develop and diversify, its initially stronger nihilistic deconstructive phase became secondary (but still fundamental) to its revolutionary “identity politics” phase.

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Recession predictions

What sectors do you think the next recession will be in? How bad do you think it will be?

My predictions:

- The city of NYC, the city of Chicago, or the State of Illinois will declare bankruptcy.

- Money will flow out of the municipal and state bond markets, causing interest rates to rise in these markets.

- Loads of municipal and State bankruptcies.

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What did they mean by this?

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German city steals your dog to pay for taxes


City of Ahlen had a family that wouldn't pay their taxes. So they went to their house, took the dog, and sold him on eBay. I fucking shit you not. They sold their fucking dog on eBay over a tax debt.

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If someone is a psychopath and they believe in stealing, what makes your opinion better than theirs? Inb4 'I'll just shoot them'. No one cares. I want to know the answer to the question above.

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>students for liberty

have you been at their events? how was it? what do you think about this organisation? inb4 cucked sjws

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Redpill me on the mouse utopia.

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>As early as next month, porn sites will be required to get proof of ID from UK residents before showing any X-rated clips.

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think about it


>guns are legal

>self defence is legal

>everyone owns guns

<no one uses them


>guns are illegal

>self defence is illegal

>rascism is illegal

<pic related

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What are the things still debated within the Austrian school? What are the controversies and gaps in the theory people are trying to solve?

I remember there was an article on Mises.org about how Joseph Salerno and Rothbard failed to solve some difficulty in monetary theory or something.

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european here

can are there any borders between states in the usa? if no, does it mean that people travel with guns from states with very liberal gun laws to states with very strict gun laws?

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european here

can are there any borders between states in the usa? if no, does it mean that people travel with guns from states with very liberal gun laws to states with very strict gun laws?

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What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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few days ago i was listening to podcast-lecture about freedom from university

and professor said that on haiti when slaves were freed then they found out it was not easy to live free

and they wanted to become slaves again but ex-slave-owners did not want to have slaves any more because of morality of enlightment age

and finally ex-slaves got angry and killed their ex-owers

is it true? im european so i dont know much about caribbean history (nevertheless i was on haiti for vacation) and i cant find confirmation for these claims i heard from that lecture

help me verify these claims

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Is it legitimate to go to war to destroy the value of competitors to comparatively raise the value of your services on the market?

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Is UBI (universal basic income) as bad as everyone makes it out to be?

Studies show it would grow the US economy by 2.5 trillion

It would do that in many ways. Corporations just keep lots of money sitting around. If that wealth could be taxed or distributed to people who weren't as rich like the working class. When the working class or the middle class get the money they would actually spend the money creating economic growth. They spend money in lots of sectors creating jobs, put more money into circulation, etc. UBI would also increase the overall happiness of the country.

So how would UBI be bad if it was distributed to the working and middle classes?

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how do you prevent idiocracy from happening due to free market capitalism?

social media and desensitizing media will make the population dumber

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>Baltimore crime is through the roof

>lawmakers decide to vote on a statewide long gun registry and licence and leaves room for possible confiscation

>one county sheriff says he wont comply with this new law if it passes



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what other boards do you lurk?

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BBC and TV licenses

Why dont the British simply defund the BBC and/or just make it a private company? Especially when they are caught red handed trying to lie to the people?

tl;dw-Panorama was caught saying they were working with Hope Not Hate (basically the UK version of the SPLC) in order to just lie about Tommy Robinson in order to discredit him

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have you ever meet other ancap irl?

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Why is it that neetsocs are capable of this kind of autism but ancaps are only capable of being frustrated when a leftist posts on their board?

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Which is the most effective means to usher in a voluntary society in the long run?

The methods I've seen on /liberty/ so far are:

>Working within the state to enact reforms, educating the masses, and/or peaceful demonstrations

>Libertarian homesteading on sea/space/terra nullius

>Participating in the black/gray market to undermine state control of the economy

>Bunkering down with ample supplies and ammo and waiting for government to collapse

>Armed struggle followed by a temporary regime to purge collectivism and reorient society along voluntary lines

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What's a private business anymore?

Are major corporations really private businesses? E.g., is it more accurate to consider Google to be a private corporation, or just another agency of the U.S. federal government–with some PR dressing to make it seem like they aren't? Does the U.S. federal government use the FBI and it's impossible-to-comply legal code to essentially blackball any remotely useful private agency to become another wing of the U.S. federal government?

Does private business even exist in the U.S. anymore, aside from maybe some plumbers in the Midwest?

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>Women declared equal regarding combat roles

>Women now eligible for draft

>Still not requiring women to sign up for the draft would be inconsistent

>Draft abolished altogether

Big win. A single silver lining actually can actually come out of something feminists touched.

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Common Thread Topic Catalog

Can we start a catalog of common threads. I feel like we have the same conversations every few months because threads 404 after a period.

Common topics like

>Chicago vs Austrian Schools


>Why the different types of socialism suck

>Intellectual Property debate


>Open vs Closed Borders

>Hoppe and Paleolibertarians

>Oligopoly in AnCap and Natural Monopolies

>Egoism and Stirner

>Why /pol/ and NeetSoc are stupid

Feel free to name any more common threads that crop up every few months

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>The short answer to 'how we will pay for' the Green New Deal is easy.

>We'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>This is how we do it – always has been, always will be.

>The money that's spent, for its part, is never 'raised' first.

>To the contrary, federal spending is what brings that money into existence.

Well, shit. Why don't we just sign a bill funding research into genetically engineered catgirls in space? After all, we'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whose educational background is in economics, understands as few leaders seem to do that our problems of late have been problems of deflation, not inflation.

Because when people complain about being in millions of dollars in debt, that's a problem of deflation.

This is what it looks like when you sentence economics to a spiral of continual degradation, until it has distilled into pure shitfuckery. How does it feel to know this isn't even its final form? How does it feel to know you're going to be able to watch this get implemented in public policy, in slow motion, all within your lifetime?

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>lol corporations wouldn't exist in a free mark-

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>The short answer to 'how we will pay for' the Green New Deal is easy.

>We'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>This is how we do it – always has been, always will be.

>The money that's spent, for its part, is never 'raised' first.

>To the contrary, federal spending is what brings that money into existence.

Well, shit. Why don't we just sign a bill funding research into genetically engineered catgirls in space? After all, we'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whose educational background is in economics, understands as few leaders seem to do that our problems of late have been problems of deflation, not inflation.

Because when people complain about being in millions of dollars in debt, that's a problem of deflation.

This is what it looks like when you sentence economics to a spiral of continual degradation, until it has distilled into pure shitfuckery. How does it feel to know this isn't even its final form? How does it feel to know you're going to be able to watch this get implemented in public policy, in slow motion, all within your lifetime?

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NATSOC economics

I found an article that narrates the financial activities of the NATSOC Germany, how so many private companies could accept bills as payment?, also it explains why the goverment persecuted people behind the private banks.


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This makes me fucking livid. This and the Tommy Robinson shit.

If the law is this fucking arbitrary, then the voices claiming that "violence is not the answer" is soon going to lose. When peaceful conversation is impossible, violent confrontation is going to be inevitable. If any Englishmen are on the board, let me know if you're planning on starting shit.

>b-b-b-ut anon, they could send you to jail for inciting a–

We're at the point where they could send me to jail for making a pug joke! Why the fuck are you concerned with that now?! The risk analysis is starting to come out at parity with just living out your life normally at the rate England is going!

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I thought Capitalism worked

Why are wages rising with productivity?

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The Nordic model isnt socialist

This thread is in honor of Bernie Sanders announcing his run for the presidency. Its only a matter of time now until his dumbass supporters wont shut the fuck up about how "hurr the scandanavia countries are perfect examples of how well socialism works!" and proving how dumb this lie is

>From last election, the Danish Prime Minister informs Bernie that his country isnt socialist


>sorry Bernie bros, but Nordic countries are NOT socialist


>Nordic countries arent socialist; theyre free trade lovers


>Mises Institute: "Face it, nordic countries arent socialist"


>The Myth of the "socialist" Scandinavian countries


just remember all this for when you start seeing your bernie bro retarded friends inevitably bring this up

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Educating the Masses

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen! :) I made a youtube channel to attempt to wake people up and educate people about the things that aren't often talked about openly. I'm not doing this for myself in any way, shape or form. I don't need subscribers but if you want to subscribe that's cool. Thanks for your time. Have a nice day :D


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Pixel War Now

The liberty-promoting zone at the center of the pixel canvas was completely tarnished by COMMIES. Commies organize using discord, and can't keep to themselves. Are you going to let them shit on us?

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Political Depression

Me ten years ago:








I'd be so fucking happy with just the following:

>TSA gets rid of the body scanners.

>Copyright law can not have even more years in length without a supermajority.

>Currency controls are inflation adjusted

I just want a little bit more freedom again :(. God, I just want to see things trend in a positive direction for once.

This world is so fucking depressing. Every year gets a little worse.

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Libertarian Right General


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What would happen to E-Thots in a free Society, once their paypigs run off?

Who will take care of them?

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tranhumanism thread

it is related to libertarianism because transhumanism gives freedom and liberty

so are you taking smart drugs or anything?

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He's Back

Should we be worried?

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Window Q


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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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Republicans > libertarians

I was a libertarian from the time I discovered rom paul in 2004. I was 14, and hated bush and hated republicans. Then when i around 25 an i started to think about the media and trump and seeing how badly they lied. I then realized this was because all the media companies are owned by seven companies. Including many of your “local news” Broadcast, they are all owned by a small group of people. Then I realize that i as a libertarian could not make a argument for regulating the media, or banks, or anything really. Thats when started down the path of republicanism. I know the party is garbage, but the founding ideas are better then libertarianism.

This thread is for libertarians who became republicans to discuss. or for libertarians to tell me why im wrong. Cuz ive been having a faith crisis of sorts.

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Deep State


Motivated by money and power, Deep State actors grasped control of this country long ago, and since the election of Donald Trump, they've been grabbing and grasping for any last shred of power that they once held over us. Understanding how these actors received their power is critical in understanding why they abused it. Through America Hijacked, we'll take a critical look into the policies and practices of nearly every administration up until modern day to see just how the Deep State came to be, and how they hijacked America for their own personal benefit.

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Are Neetsocs actually this retarded?

I was reading through Patrick Little's (a NeetSoc who ran for Senate last year in California and got 1% of the vote) platform and I saw this

>Nationalize Google, Facebook, Twitter, and all other natural monopolies in the IT industry.

>natural monopolies such as Google, Facebook


Also this guy wants to give reparations to blacks LOL


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Is the TSA just going to be around forever now? Is there any agorist way around this agency? In two decades from now, will I still see nude scanners in an airport?

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Mises U 2019


Do you want to talk with other ancaps and bully minarchists someplace other than online, without roving /leftypol/ shitposters to disrupt everything? Would you like to do it with people who dress neatly and can string a sentence together? Of course you do! So why not get a collection of /liberty/ posters together to go to Mises University this summer? I went last year and I can say with certainty I had an excellent time, not just with the lectures but the chance to talk with people about various subjects relating to Austrian economics, natural law, and liberty. If you're a uni student, undergrad or graduate, you're basically guaranteed a scholarship, so if you get yourself there you won't have to pay for anything. Anyone up for it?

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hoppe thread

is he an atheist?

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Why do you call it ancap when anarchy is capitalistic by nature? Is it because the word anarchy has been sorely tainted by kike rule?

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How did the yellow jackets organize?

Can Americans copy anything from how the yellow jackets organized to reclaim some freedom for themselves?

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How do you prevent others from copying your business ideas in the free market? I'm not implying that the gubmint should step in and start fucking shit up for everyone, but I'm working on some imageboards right now, and I want to know how you could implement cool features in a way that only YOU have that niche and no one else (eg: a more popular imageboard) tries to copy it.

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Determinism and Individualism

How is Libertarianism or even individualism compatible with the real world? It's pretty obvious humans do not have free will. You don't choose how you were raised, whether you were abused, your gender, race, sexuality, your parents the diet you were raised on, intelligence. There have also been studies that show people thought they were in control of a mouse when moving it even though they weren't. Another study showed that activity of just 256 neurons was sufficient enough to predict someone's with 80% accuracy someone's decision to move 700 milliseconds before they became aware of it. This shows that your brain makes decisions even before you do. When you become conscious of these decisions you think you are making them even though your brain already made them. So since no one has free will how can you just think individualism will fix everything. Everyone who is at the top had good parents, weren't abused, didn't have mental illness. Then other people who also didn't choose anything will have to suffer because they were just unlucky. This is also shows that the NAP is not moral either because you cannot kill someone for something they have done that was already determined. It is moral to put them in prison because it benefits the greater good by letting them no longer be a threat to the safety of others. It would also be moral to give treatment to someone for their condition. Killing them like the NAP says is not moral.

>inb4 fatalist strawman

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how to remove bureaucrats?

As you know the biggest obastacle between us and a free society is the parasitic middle-class. Those bureaucrats, cops, etc are a big problem because not only they cost us a lot of money, but they do a lot of shit that hinders business and entrepeneurship.

At the same time, you can't just fire them all at once because it's not politically feasable.

So, here's my plan to solve the problem with these parasites. Now, this plan has been devised for a nation where the State has a lot of power all over the territory, I understand that with the self-imposed limits on the federal government in the US such a plan would be much more difficult to achieve.

Basically you have to distract the parasites by feeding them more privileges while paving the way for a physical removal, so that they don't know what's happening.

>you make a law that gives them longer vacations, but at the same time you close big offices and spread them all around the city. This way, they are forced to hop from location to the other in order to get the job done. This means that they can do less damages and are also more stressed and also are forced to spend more money.

>then you make a law to give them a one time yearly bonus, like 1000$ or something, but at the same time you increases the repetitive and useless tasks. The objective is to make the tasks take a toll on their mind and, of course, on their back and hands.

>a third law is the creation of new roles, which would be considered a promotion. But in order to get the role, they need to move to a new office that is far from where they are now. Also you make them travel a lot for "meetings"

>then you lower the number of hours they need to work each day, while mantaining the same pay, but you increase the competences of various institution, so you can merge them. So, slowly you have the IRS joining the police and the police joining the military

>the final step is having the ability to send them to work in Africa or Middle-East. Since they are into the "national construction agency", of course they need to supervise the building of homes for the poor in Africa. Since they are into the "security agency", of couser they need to move to the middle-east

If everything goes well, most people should die of old age or exhaustion, those that remain can be slowly moved away. I think it's doable in 8 years, you need to buy the vote before the election of course and don't forget to block the hiring of new people.

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>people who get a degree in economics don't know Mises, Rothbard, Hayek or the austrian school even exist

Ok, explain this. I mean, either austrian economics is so wrong that can't even be considered economics, or States schools are so scared they don't even name it, like it was the bald wizard from Harry Potter or something.

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Prove that natural monopolies don't exist

4chan and 8chan both have a monopoly on image boards. they didn't lobby any government it's just the way it is. anybody can set up a clone using open source software but it would never be as successful because a user base would not migrate. so why wouldn't this happen with a bunch of other platforms too in a free market?

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bum living

1. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY IN CHEAPEST WAYS POSSIBLE, without expensive rent, 40 year mortgage etc ? you can propose many different options and what's upfront and/or monthly cost

examples: living in RV/van/car, homeless/homelessness shelter, some cheap land and mobile home, sharing a flat or house with someone, etc

2. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY ANONYMOUSLY - that means, to have different official address (to get letters etc), but different true address (where you sleep, make food)? so the police or your enemies cannot easily come to your place to "suicide" you

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How stupid does someone have to be before they can be recognized as subhuman and thus undeserving of natural rights?

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Chaos Theory

Why don't libertarians respect chaos theory more?


It feels like a great way to get out of the old determinism v. free will debate by arguing about whether certain classes of natural phenomena are predictable as opposed to 'predetermined.' You can better incorporate the salients points of Hayek's local knowledge and Mises' calculation arguments. You can point out socialist hubris. Finally, you can actually speak in a harder and more rigorous scientific point of view.

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I'm looking for books/articles that depicts in a positive light the libertarian era in the US. In particular I'm fascinated about the rise of big companies, private infrastructures, etc

I can always find hints of this in some books of austrian economists but I'm looking for something more specific and more of a light read.

Do you have any suggestions?

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we're fucked

>Zognald signs bill amnestying more slaves who will vote for more gibs which will give the government more control who will terrorize us even more and even more of our freedom and we're too stupid, lazy, and weak to actually fight back and just take all of this up the ass.

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Should people have to pay for water?

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tell me the most redpill thing you know

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In ancapistan why wouldn't rich governments just buy all the land?

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greetings laddingtons

i want to read about s pinochet? what books can you recommend?

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Rights for Ancaps/Minor Attracted Persons

Debate the intended message of this ad campaign, and why it's a positive step forward for society.

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/librety/lend - Decentralized money network

If American Communists pay through GoFundMe and Patreon, Centrists pay through Paypal and Credit/Debit Card, ☭☭European Communists☭☭ pay through WeChat and Yandex Pay, what will /librety/lads pay with?

Bitcoin and Ethereum are excellent alternatives to unreliable (((bank accounts))) that can be closed for being a part of an Alt-Right organization. (see → >>12778968 or http://archive.is/YIAOR) However, not everyone trusts opening a Bitcoin/Ethereum wallet with a clear Chinese entity used by druggies and porn addicts. The time for a /pol/ form of payment is now.

Here is the system I am suggesting… name it “/librety/lend™”

>User 1 wants a product from User 2

>User 1 send paper money directly to /pol/pay with a form attached

>User 2 receives the money physically, User 2 sends the money to his Church

/librety/lads could even give money to other countries. If a German from Berlin needs a product from America. The American could send his money to /librety/lend, /librety/lend HAM radio’s /librety/lend Berlin, and /librety/pay Berlin sends the money to the German. /librety/lend Berlin would be supplied the money in advance by investors.

Essentially, /liberty/lend is a underground bank network. Money comes in and proxy money comes out. The money is shipped in a special envelope that cannot show the money inside with a heat scanner.

It’s the perfect money exchange system for /librety/lads across the world.

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/liberty/, where to emigrate to?

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what dont you like in the burgerland?

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Why aren't more libertarians moving out to sea?

>No taxes

>No property taxes

>No government

>No gun laws

>The only time you'll be taxed is for buying fuel

>Can catch food out at sea

>You're a free man not bound to any country


>Can freely enter any country along the shore

>Can invest in Bitcoin for money

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Our Finest Hours.










Lets turn 8chs into the worlds best television network and recruitement office and force against evil. I just had this idea over in a board on pol and it went dead instantly. I cant post on pol now.

Who will stand in the face of evil and inequity.

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now that the dust has settled

since democracy was a mistake, what's the alternative?

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Avocado Crisis

How would the free market solve the avocado crisis?

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who is the weirdest ancap?

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Where's the root?

If there was one law you could make in the U.S. or repeal, what would it be?

Of course, this is just a thought experiment for essentially asking, "What do you think the root is?"

I would argue it's the Federal Reserve and monetary inflation. Without the golden handcuffs, the government has no reason to stop its expanse. This is bolstered by the fact that since the Nixon shock the U.S. has stagnated in almost every conceivable way possible, and nearly every socioeconomic graph has an inflection point at 1971. As such, I'd return back to the gold standard, but I don't know how I would write such a law so that it actually sticks.

I know /pol/ argues that it's the Jews, but when I take their arguments and s/Jews/whites/ it sounds like stuff Robert Mugabe would say, so I can't take their arguments seriously.

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>the only quote of molyneux at wikipedia is the cringe one

can we change it?

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What a failed ideology ancrap is. It would become Africa within months.

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why is greece bankrupt?

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is there a regularity that every generation has less and less freedom and liberty?

mp4rel not really related

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does turkey support terrorism? why?

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libertarians in the west

>John McAfee @officialmcafee

>People say I would be tough on the Russians. Nonsense. I long to have a drinking contest with Putin, and I have already registered with the 2020 Vladivostok public dick measuring contest, where, due to an extremely rare genetic deformity, I will, unquestionably win

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>Dark Enlightenment


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do we have any asian users or users residing in asia (sensu lato)?

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in d*mocracy political parties DO have incentive to take care of future, unlike hoppe says, because they want to be elected once again

prove me wrong

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what about making /liberty/ bingo?

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anon, have you ever had problems with cops/law?

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What will prevent Soros from buying land, building shelters and bringing african refugees without the state?

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repost Disarmament/ police state

im linking and reposting my thread on pol. figured it might be enjoyed here since they seem to be just magazine readers there.


the state of pol is terrible. i cant take it anymore so now im going to start threads and bring this gossip filled shithole back to intellectual standards.


united nations office for disarmament affairs

What is World Peace that the communists speak of? it is the absence of resistance to their control, that is how the intellectual communist/globalist defines Peace.



the fag city of tomorrow, watched, tracked, metered



commies talking about how great being controlled is, notice the yellow in relation to this subject. this project is tagged with yellow among the commies and globalists. probably in reference to the jew stars but idk

>The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.

>The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.

although i can not verify that these are quotes from Marx they are attributed to him, if not his words they do describe the obvious route that communism and globalism is taking and has been on for some time.

why is this political, well all law and and news is political these days(not dog in a hot car gay shit but real news),

all the "terrorism" is directed at the public with a reason, militarization of the public common areas, limitation on travel, submission to the state through mandatory identification and search, facial recognition cameras and audio identifiers, license plate tracking cameras and other gay ass regulations to stifle you as an expressive human. expression cannot be tolerated in a controlled and planned State.

the threat of NUCLEAR WAR has been used since the development of the bomb. after the collapse of the few remaining sovereign powers of ww1 the public was the new focus for control as all meaningful consolidated opposition to a single world government was entirely eradicated.

ww2 was the war of public control. as you can see the german people were undeniably brought under the leash, the British empire began spoiling its citizens with public welfare, america began the image campaign as the worlds police and communism was left to destroy the asian empires that would not have otherwise been defeated through aggressive force, subversion of their culture through envy and greed was the best option at the time. and historically most effective on nationalist countries. look at american culture today.


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White men should develop a culture of race mixing where women of particular races are selected due to the intelligence or culture of those races. White men allowed jews to take control of the media, and as a result the media has been used to misguide white women. Now there has been irreparable damage done to white women by the lies they have been fed by jews and so while some white women are worthy to be reproduced with by white men, many white women are no longer fit to reproduce with a white man. It is a sad situation but many white men must move on to new pastures.

It is our fault our women have become corrupted like this. But some of us must explore new pastures, we can't wait our whole lives for women who have been mentally destroyed to wake up.

I will submit some races who it is acceptable for a white man to reproduce with. East Asian women are acceptable. Iranian women are acceptable, and some arab women. Despite being called "poos" some Indian women are acceptable. To be honest Americans can equally be called poos, our homeless population of all colors shits everywhere in the big cities.

As for black women or mulatto women, I would say it is acceptable for someone like Meghan Markle to be brought into the fold, but a white man shouldn't really be joining in with the black community, too many problems there. In general black descended women should be avoided but maybe there are some exceptions to the rule there. But as a rule of thumb avoid race mixing with black people, although some can transcend the culture of the black community.

Hispanics are acceptable to race mix, Latina women are fine to race mix. Ultimately it all comes down to feeling out the situation and getting a sense to see if a particular woman can be a vessel through which your intelligence can survive in future generations. And for many white men this would be a white woman, but white women have become so corrupted that many white men should bleach non-white women with their white sperm, for the uninitiated, to bleach means to impregnate a non-white. #bleachright

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Northwest Front

If a national socialist country was "smaller government" than the US, would you move there?

Would you fight for it?

Alternatively, would it be worth compromising my libertarian sensibilities to allow my children to live among my race?

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Has there been any libertarian discussion on the future of automation, and what it has in store for labor, and the workplace? I remember economists talking about how the gig-economy was going to be the future of work as labor becomes more automated.

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Vicious Circle

1 - X has a problem

2 - Regulation is pushed to address X.

3 - Regulatory compliance increases overhead costs, or regulatory agency gets captured by current industry (because where else are you going to find people who understand the industry enough to be able to regulate it?).

4 - Firms centralize even more. Costs increase even more. Either the price increases, quality decreases, or shortages increase.

5 - Issue X is now even worse.

6 - Goto 1.

7 - Eventually become Venezuela.

How do you stop this vicious cycle?

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Capitalism is better for the lazy and the NEETs

A terrible misunderstanding that I see happening again and again is that socialism is for lazy people and the free-market is for the hard working ones.

This is false and very bad for the pro-free-market propaganda.

Let's be honest: while you may be in love with slaving away most of your day, a lot of people aren't. These people have as much a say as you in how life should be lived.

The problem is that a lot of free-market propaganda usually goes against NEETs and people who don't want to work hard. How often we see free-market people ranting against those lazy leftists? Yet, if anything, a lazy person has much more chances to find a way to live his preferred lifestyle under a free-market than under socialism.

Let's see why.

Under socialism prices of basic goods are set by the State, so one has to work a fixed amount of hours in order to get them. When they aren't, their price is always higher than it would be under free-market because the allocation of resources is suboptimal and it's also affected by sales and other taxes needed for welfare and the central plan.

The welfare is never distributed across all people but just certain categories and in many different form. It almost never happens under socialism than a person who doesn't want to work is allowed to do so if he isn't part of an heavily protected category.

Under socialism one is eventually called to do "his part" and get a job. This means that, with slighty difference based on how socialism is realized, one is forced to get the job that the central planners offer him via the job centre or face the losing different form of welfare. There is also a very limited choice in which job to get, since under socialism one has to possess certifications and licenses before accessing certain kind of jobs. There are also always limits in the kind of contracts and work conditions and arrangements that can be made for the worker. This is decided by the central planners for "the good of the workers", but in practice it means that an employer must always offer an 8-hour-day job to someone and the employee is forced to accept due to the unfree-market conditions or other laws.

Under socialism there is also no respect for private property and savings. You can't really plan to work for some years and then retire, because the State doesn't let you to hold on your private property for long. You are either not authorized to have private property, or maybe the socialist State will ask you so many taxes that you will slowly lose your money and be forced to work again, just to pay them. Let's not forget how the value of the currency erodes fast under repeating rounds of quantitative easing.

The reality is that socialism is slavery for everyone. It's under socialism that someone will be a slave, because under socialism you're forced to live the lifestyle that the central planners have in mind, not the lifestyle we choose. And not by coincidence, this lifestyle requires a lot of hard daily work for a lousy pay. After all a worker is not only working to sustain himself but also the whole community and the numerous inefficiencies of the market.

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Full Doug Casey Mode

I'm really concerned about the future /liberty/. My generation seem to be full on socialists, and I worry about them bankrupting the U.S. and completely destroying the economy or in the best case "only" having several decades of stagnation.

I was thinking this over, and on a personal level, I would like to at least maintain a similar standard of living to what I have now, and it would be nice to completely avoid the nihilistic thoughts that come with imagining the U.S. going socialist. To that end, I personally do not want to "grab SK, go inna woods." Prepping would mean I would have to hold off on my life for a decade, then hold on while economic strife and devastation takes hold in the worst case, or enduring a lost decade of stagnation before coming out and actually seeing any positive future opportunities, and I don't think I could psychologically handle that.

To that end, the best thing I can think of doing is going full on Doug Casey and trying to just be as international as possible, but I do not know the best way to orient myself and my skillset to doing that (I'm a programmer who got his job by applying in rather rural places where there is not a tech industry, that way I do not have a whole lot of competition and can make do with my meager skillset). Moreover, the places where I do have contacts to potentially find employment overseas, know some of the language, and have possibilities for citizenship (Argentina, Benelux (and using Schengen, French/Spanish speaking parts of the EU, assuming that they stay together)) do not have much prospects for the future either, I feel. But then again, they might not go full socialist like it seems like the U.S. is going to go politically.

What are my options here? I was thinking about going back into actuarial work, but trying to get certification in the EU. Maybe with age I'm not as shit a worker as I once was.

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> the united states of america in 2019

What went wrong

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Let's say we live in a world where fire extinguishers cost one penny (at our current exchange rate)

Would it be an immoral imposition on the part of the state to require fire extinguishers in rented housing at the threat of a fine?

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Dead board but whatever.

I worked on Rand Paul's and Gary Johnson's campaign. AMA.

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Italy going full Venezuela. Fuck my life.

Italy is on the exact same road of Venezuela.

The spirit the current government has is the same of the Chavez/Maduro combo.

After all a few years ago, withVenezuela were already in full crisis, a delegation of the M5S, the party that is at the government now, went to visit Venezuela. They declared, and I'm not joking nor paraphrasing "there are some problems in Venezuela but the government made many good things, like the music curriculum in the schools".

Anyway the last proposal is so outrageous I had to open up a thread. Yeah, they did propose to regulate the dance instructors market, so that you need to pass an exam and get a license and into a "dance instructors board" in order to teach zumba class and shit like that (not kidding). But they now did something even worse.

They want to "centralize ecommerce". They think it's unfair that big business have an advantage and therefore all products sold online will need to have the same price. They will need to be registered on the blockchain someway and everything will need to be known about them.

I mean, I know it doesn't make sense both economically and technologically, but that's what they want to do.

Same price faggots.

Same price.

I fucking hate my life. Where the fuck do I move?

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Remembering Mistakes Thread

Friendly reminder that the Libertarian Party, YAL, Reason, FEE, and SFL (among others) all publicly endorsed this faggot/had a private effort on social media in pushing him as a "champion of the free market" and a "coming of the age of liberty," for anyone who still believes the retards in the big L libertarian movement deserve a voice/can be trusted to have any opinion in politics. One of the larger fuckups ranking up there with the no compromise attitude that state's rights are inherently just as bad as the federal government because some states want to ban abortion.

ITT remembering mistakes so "we" can rub it in libertine "libertarian's" faces don't repeat them.

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I see the argument that AnCap would devolve into feudalism thrown around quite a lot. Is it true?

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Can someone point me to video or a post about Curt Doolittle's ideas on how to organise the state?

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Random Image Dump

It's like a regular image dump, but random.

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PixelPlace AnCap Base


this site got launched yesterday: http://pixelplace.fun/@1046,859 and we are building an ancap base. if you don't join, you're a commie: http://discord.gg/QHv7PmR

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What would be the symptoms of the alleged 'socialist planning problem'?

Without private ownership of the means of production, there would be no price signals to automatically rank the most-and-least productive uses of the factors of production through a bidding process; economic planning would have to be used, whether with a computer or bureaucracy (though even a computer can only calculate, not see into people's minds to learn what they want and need, so it's unclear how this particularly helps).

Anyway, what would be the symptoms of this problem? Is it just 'we made things which didn't satisfy our wants as much as the set of goods capitalism would have made'?

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Who are you voting for in November, American /liberty/? Or will you be?


Not sure if I should vote against the Democrats in the Congressional race this November because I want to send a message about how much I fucking hate this culture war.

Not sure if I should vote against the Republicans in the Congressional race this November because they can’t repeal Obamacare, let alone do anything meaningful, and are full of boomershit traitors like McCain was.

Not sure if I should just write "fuck you" on the ballots like I have been.

There are no third parties where I live.


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>pope francesco


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You're invited!

To watch football with The 5!


The Superb Owl fuck you google!




Sportschan.org/sp !

>What should i bring?

Bring beer. Snax and loose women will be provided

Hope to see you there, /liberty/!

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Libertarian Christian Institute

Find a flaw

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question to ancaps

do you feel alienated?

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bUT mUh inCOMe INequALItY

What can we do about the new upswelling of support for socialism in the U.S.?

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are Ashkenazi Jews on average more left-wing even when you control for variables other than jewishness?

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/just/ stream

The day is soon upon us where Brendan Fraser will pay his final $50,000, his final alimony cheque and that day is 31st January. To celebrate, /just/ hosts a stream of some Brendan classics so join us as we call an end to Brendan's JUST and unfrick his shit.

Stream: https://cytu.be/r/UNJUST


Pre-Stream begins at 6pm EST with the movies starting from 6:30pm EST, January 31st.

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norway wants to expel polish consul for he protected polish families

scandinavia is cucked as fuck, just read about Barnevernet

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>muh food

according to the CIA the average Russian consumed more colaries than the average American


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french-national-socialist-homo-e-friend of mine told me that niggers there in france dont vote, and he does not believe that they are being imported for the left to win elections

what about burgerland? what percent of your niggers vote?

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Covington parents take legal action

Reposted from /pol/. I know, I know, but I think this is important enough to go crossboard.


I've made a separate thread for this for many reasons. Firstly, the other Covington thread(s) became a useless pile of shit. Secondly, this is big enough to merit its own thread. And lastly, it's better for this to have its own thread for the purposes of networking, brainstorming, and so on. Anyways, the TL;DR of it is that the libel and slander from (((the usual suspects))) has become so violent and undeniable in its scope that the parents of the targeted Covington students are pursuing legal action spearheaded by attorney Robert Barnes. This is already a potentially positive development but I believe it's possible to ride the momentum and deal a telling blow to the slimy vermin that so far has rained death threats and abuse with absolute impunity.

What can be done, you ask? Simple. First of all, Barnes and co. are collecting evidence of leftists making libelous acusations against the Covington boys, doxing them, plotting to ruing their lives, and so on. Most pressing of all are the death threats and conspiring to hunt down and physically harm the students up to and including murder. These are actionable threats and are grounds for serious legal punishment. That's the first task, collect evidence and send it to Barnes' office. Compile tweets, articles, video clips et cetera, ARCHIVE IN CASE THEY DELETE and send it to him. Make sure it hasn't been reported already.

The other important thing here is that the parents are pursuing a civil suit against the media kikes and the leftist vermin that has formed a lynch mob targeting their children. This is a mistake because even if the suit is successful the fuckers will barely feel it. Both Barned and the litigating parents must be convinced that no amount of apologies will be enough, no financial settlement will be enough, not even getting these scumfucks fired from their jobs will be enough. No. These """people""" openly and gleefully manipulated the truth and did everything in their power to put their children in mortal danger, threaten the school with terrorist attacks and vandalism and generally make their lives a living hell for the crime of being white. Nothing less than prison time will be enough punishment for these pieces of shit. This point has to be hammered into their heads until they internalize it and pursue a criminal lawsuit and explicitly call for prison time for the vermin that gloated about brutally murdering their children. I can't emphasize this point enough. Fuckers went after minors, after children. They need to suffer real, physical consequences for their actions.

Lastly, and perhaps easier/harder of all, is the matter of awareness. This shit has to be spread far and wide. It has to be everywhere. This is a unique opportunity to get the normalfags on board. It has to be pounded into their heads that the soulless vermin populating the media and the Left want to torture and kill them, their families and their children for the flimsiest of reasons. They are a psychopathic mob that has to be stopped. Nobody wants to see their own kids targeted by a lynch mob for petty bullshit. Make sure to pound on that fact. With the right language, even the normalfags can be mobilized to support our cause. The Left has crossed a dangerous line, and they can't (and won't) disavow this behavior. They're backed against the wall and have nowhere to run.

PLEASE REMEMBER: We're dealing with people who are in the very early stages of being redpilled. Watch your language. Be very delicate with what you say. This is too big to fuck it up. Don't be an edgelord, don't be a nigger, be polite and respectful and back up what you say. There's only one bullet in this gun. The normalfags are primed and ready, but handling this carefully is paramount. Again, make sure to emphasize that these "people" gleefully conspired to have children ruined and murdered and their school targeted by terrorist attacks. Emphasize that they have suffered no consequences and have exhibited zero remorse, even when caught. Instill in them the need to see the fuckers that threatened their kids hit wit tangible punishments for their reprehensible actions. Don't get too vicious about it, but don't mince words.

Robert Barnes contact information:

Phone: 213.330.3341

E-mail: robertbarnes@barneslawllp.com

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law


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Redpill me on enterprising

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>mfw when serfs start muttering about property rights

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commies rise up

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Being sexual with children doesn't violate the NAP

>molest/being sexual with a kid leads to them becoming gay as adults

>many famous gays like Milo Yinniggerdickobsessedupolous and George Takei speak positively about their abuser and say that it benefited them

>same principle with straight adult-child sexual relationships

>they just don't turn gay, they turn into something we don't really have a name yet for

So according to Libertarians that say "Dude like when you totally destroy your life with drugs or want to commit suicide, I will lock you in my barn for a day to straighten you out, give you a hot meal and have a man-to-man conversation with you about the meaning of life and offer you to work on my farm, then you'll turn out alright, dude." abusing children is okay, because you get their later consent for this.

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Rational Thinkers

Are there any more examples of rational thinkers who have resorted to irrational arguments when applied to economics and liberty in general?

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The 8chan Cup 4

GREETINGS /liberty/

The 4th edition of the 8chan Cup is fast approaching. First kickoff is set for January 4th, 2019 at 08:00PM UTC and your board is a part of it. The Cup will be a 32 team tournament, first with a group stage followed by the 16 team Knockout Round, all to determine a champion board of the site. The 3rd editon of the Cup saw the debut of 15 different boards, all of which are returning to shoot for glory once again, amongst revived boards and a few new ones as well. The Cup is being defended by >>>/christian/, who grinded out a 1-0 victory in the Finals over newcomers >>>/ita/. Eternal powerhouse >>>/bane/ managed to claim 3rd place over >>>/strek/ by stopping the Trekkies potent offense and pouring on four goals of their own. For a full breakdown of the 2018 Summer Cup, please take a look at the wiki http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/wiki/The_8chan_Cup

In 2019, your board has been drawn into Group F, with /gts/, /v/, and /co/. Please use this thread for pre-tournament hype and also any MINOR tweaks that may need to be made.

For the full wiki: http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/

For the stream: https://cytu.be/r/8cup

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/leftypol/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a card carrying member of the party!

/liberty/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a successful bussiness owner!

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when will the bubble burst? should i buy btc atm?