Welcome to /liberty/!
Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.
We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.
See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.
1. Global Rules uber alles.
2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.
3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.
4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.
Board Policy Vis-a-vis…
There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?
While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.
If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.
4. "I Called You X, I Win"
Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.
That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!
Resources for LibertyHelp to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.
Natsoc germany economy
People say that Germany became an industrial powerhouse because National Socialism was flawless, yet they dont say what did they actually do to make Germany so productive (natsoc doctrine says productivity = wealth), was it really a success or it only grew so quickly because of a artificial demand made by the goverment on heavy industry?
Ok, so ITT: /liberty/ describes their ideal marriage partner/waifu.
What's it gonna be? Trad thots? Modern sluts? 2D only? Non-whites? Traps? How high are your standards? What would you absolutely not want to see in a woman? Would you date a commie? Would you date someone with piercings/tattooes? Would you date someone who drinks/smokes? What else?
the alt-retard threat
How do we un-brainwash nu-/pol/faggots?
/liberty/ is pretty much the continuation of the real 4chan /pol/ before it got nuked and cucked by m00t.
/pol/ here on 8ch AKA nu/pol/ is a cancerous cesspit of literal LARPing neo-nazis and actual white supremacists (strange how these words have lost their meaning because commies blame everyone on being a nazi). How do we combat the incessant stormfaggotry? /pol/ leak and hijack other boards, /v/ is already full of stormfaggots and the mods actively ban conservative posters.
When we take back our country, leftist commie marxists will be thrown out of helicopters, but what do we do with the equally retarded morons on the alt-right?
Educate or Execute?
/liberty/ seems like slightly more of a neutral party than /pol/. What the hell is going on? I've been hearing that Republicans committed voter fraud in Arizona, I've been hearing that Democrats committed voter fraud in Broward County, Florida. Then I think there was some more in Michigan, but I don't know by which party? And maybe Texas too, but I don't know by which party either? What's going on, who's doing what?
Technological advancement and collectivism
So I read "Industrial society and its future" and it made me wonder does technological advancement necessarily lead to collectivism? Or is it rather the mob democracy with suffrage to all? As both events occurred at the same time….
Sure, I noticed uncle Ted have some issues with some of his claims which I will mention down here (with my rebuttal), however I think the overall sentiment it still relevant.
>Even most people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society.
The invisible hand
>We suggest that modern man’s obsession with longevity, and with maintaining physical vigor and sexual attractiveness to an advanced age, is a symptom of unfulfillment resulting from deprivation with respect to the power process. The “mid-life crisis” also is such a symptom. So is the lack of interest in having children that is fairly common in modern society but almost unheard-of in primitive societies.
It may have more to do with the fact primitive societies didn't have the privilege of subsidized government pension
New Reading Guide
I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.
So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).
Hope this is of help for someone!
The guest question
Does anyone have any sources on the guest question? I.e what the situations are when
I. You have invited someone unto your property without expressed conditions, and you change your mind while they're on your property.
II. Conditions of nature have brought someone unto your property without their consent.
Also, are there any works discussing the store-problem without using the "reasonable expectation" argument?
Why aren't we tackling the real issues here? Political ideologies don't exist in a vacuum, they're based on preconceived notions or underlying foundations which form a person's worldview.
Commies/Leftists are atheists. They believe apes crawled out of a soup after nothing exploded 9 gorillion years ago. They believe man has no inherent values or qualities, which is why they're fine with killing babies in the womb. They're fine with feminism because they believe there are no objective family roles. They believe there's nothing wrong with a man inserting his weewee in another man's butt. In fact, they don't believe in objective or absolute truth at all. Good and evil are just subjective, morality is just a "spook". they believe in moral relativism which is why they're fine with importing millions of immigrants with radically different and hostile cultures.
If you want to un-brainwash lefties, stop talking about political subjects because it's pointless when you both don't understand eachother's underlying worldviews. Attack the root of the issue: their atheism and belief in "millions of years". Debates should be had in the realm of science, philosophy and theology before you can effectively adopt a political stance best suited for mankind. The same goes for you ancaps and libertarians by the way, explain WHY you believe in these things. Theists take God-given inalienable rights for granted, but atheists don't believe in these 'negative rights' because in their worldview there is no purpose to life and good/evil are just subjective and relative.
Political wankery without addressing the scientific or philosophical foundations they're based on is a fruitless effort. It's like attacking branches instead of cutting the root. Whether you believe in Creation or Evolution is going to affect what political ideology you like.
What did the FBI mean by this?
>Beginning in 1998, a private businessman, Bernard von NotHaus, began to issue a warehouse receipt currency called “Liberty dollars” based on gold and silver. In 2007, the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided the vaults of the Liberty dollar, and confiscated $7 million of gold and silver bullion. The seizure warrant was for money laundering, mail fraud, wire fraud, counterfeiting, and conspiracy.
>Note that none of these charges have anything to do with “legal tender,” or any restrictions on people to transact in the currency of their choice.
>In 2009, von NotHaus was arrested and charged with: one count of conspiracy to possess and sell coins in resemblance and similitude of coins of a denomination higher than five cents, and silver coins in resemblance of genuine coins of the United States in denominations of five dollars and greater, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 485, 18 U.S.C. § 486, and 18 U.S.C. § 371; one count of mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 and 18 U.S.C. § 2; one count of selling, and possessing with intent to defraud, coins of resemblance and similitude of United States coins in denominations of five cents and higher, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 485 and 18 U.S.C. § 2; and one count of uttering, passing, and attempting to utter and pass, silver coins in resemblance of genuine U.S. coins in denominations of five dollars or greater, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 486 and 18 U.S.C. § 2.
/liberty/ goes to Washington
Through some means or other, you have become the President of the United States. Assuming you don't elect to resign from this position, what actions would you take using your newfound authority to further the cause of liberty? Only rule is that you have to exercise your power "legally." Yes, most of what the president does these days can be construed as illegal from reading the Constitution, but given that such actions have been ruled not to be illegal by our socialist courts they're fair game. I'll start:
First, use all the power that the executive branch has claimed over the years to our advantage:
>create new federal agency, "Gunowners of America"
>every American citizen over 18 is automatically inducted as a member of this organization
>as federal agents, members have the right to purchase, manufacture, and own firearms currently banned by US law
>can buy select-fire guns, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DDs, can also manufacture these without an FFL
>status as federal agents allows them to bypass any state restrictions of fun ownership
>can carry funs into schools, onto planes, or any other area that is a "gun free zone" to a "civilian"
>importers can import guns ordinarily banned from import if those bans hadn't already been repealed by me as long as they are only sold to GOA members
>Driver's license or passport are sufficient to prove GOA ownership
>If driver's license or passport are not obtainable (through blue state kikery of such) anyone may obtain a GOA ID card
>Alteration of any rules of the GOA charter, including privileges granted to members, can only be changed through an explicit, unanimous vote of every member of the GOA
>If a GOA member cannot be located for the vote, his vote is assumed to be "no."
>The GOA may only be disbanded through a similar vote
>GOA membership may not be rescinded or revoked for any reason
>Immediately withdraw all troops home, station at border
>appropriate DoD funds for border wall
>solicit armed forces and Army Corps of Engineers to build wall
>publicly announce that any unauthorized personnel within 100 yards of border will be considered a member of an invading force, and if not dispersed after one warning is shot on sight
>tell beaner government to assist in keeping illegals out or face 100% tax on remittances entering Mexico
>preemptively tell leaf government same thing as beaners may try to fly to mapleland and hop to US once visa expires
>any state which is a "sanctuary" to illegals is cut off from all federal funding
>repeal all gun import bans enacted by executive order
>repeal all import and export bans of any kind established similarly
>fire every member of the FDA, EPA, USDA, FCC, BATFE, DoH, DoE, and any other federal agency that isn't GOA
>repeal any regulations passed by these agencies
>fire every member of the USPS even though its existence is guaranteed by constitution
>exception is FBI whose firing will be done gradually
>announce that tax evasion, violations of above agency's regulations, etc., will not be enforced by the government
>US armed forces will take up role of ICE and Border Patrol
For federal laws that the executive can't repeal alone:
>announce that the federal government will not prosecute those who practice medicine/law/etc. without a license, announce similar non-enforcement of similar "crimes"
>withdraw from NATO, UN Security Council, any similar organization
>announce that US will ignore any demands made by UN
>withdraw from every trade agreement that isn't "unregulated trade"
>use privileged position of White House as national bully pulpit to go on national TV and shill for Rothbard, Hoppe, and the Mises Institute
>use bully pulpit to encourage states to secede, say that the US government will not act against them if they do
I think that's about the extent of what can be done with the Executive Branch alone, thoughts?
> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.
>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.
>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.
>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.
>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.
>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.
It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome
swedes also practice a form of it but it has different roots
Swedish men are more interested in each other than women so swede women have to import heterosexuals to fuck them
Obligitory marriage, rather than being a "tool of patriarchy" or any such nonsense in sweden was actually a way to force their men to reproduce
This guy really was feelz>realz personified, reading his speech to congress for a declaration of war against Germany, then appealing the A&S acts, and then finally giving even more power to Britain and France after the war with the League of Nations. Has any President fucked up as hard as he has?
Let's explore the idea of Chinese Reaganomics
What was supposed to be a nice tongue-in-cheek thread about capitalism and communism was spammed by the users and deleted by the mods over on /pol/ so I figured we could discuss it here without too much trouble, instead.
In short, the Chinese economy stagnated under socialism for over 60 years and in under half that time it became a major player on the world stage by simply adopting a more status quo approach to market based economics, with Chinese individuals seeing exponential increases in their wages and general improvements in their living conditions (based on HDI). What does this all mean for /leftypol/ for example, that believe a controlled and closed off market is preferable when we have yet another powerful anecdote to the contrary?
Free market's achilles heel
I understand the arguments for a free market and how it naturally fixes shit (bad companies go out of business, good companies grow) but there is one glaring problem I've never seen addressed..
What about social engineering, brainwashing or pushing agendas? I'm from /v/ and I'll use video games as an example. The vidya industry has turned to shit because of the lowest common denominator, casuals and brain-dead consumers. This is because of culture - people have lower standards today and will gladly eat shit.
The idea of a free market paradise only works if the consumers are educated and know how to vote with their wallet. It falls apart in a society where people are stupid because bad businesses with anti-consumer practices can still grow and survive, as evident by the many terrible vidya developers like EA or Activision that haven't made a good game since forever yet are still rich because of the dumb majority who keep buying their trash.
I keep hearing that in a free market, the best quality products will be available for the cheapest price, yet from observation this doesn't seem to be the case..
I have been around many ideologies in the past. I've seen many discussions between natsocs, fascist, commies and traditionalist and not once did I ever get a satisfying answer to the economic question. One of the main reasons I am drawn to libertarianism is because you guys seem to be the most consistent in regards to economics and discuss it frequently where as other ideologies seem to think that the economy works like magic and simply having the right government would instantly mean a prosperous economy. Why is it that so many of these people are so willing to disregard the idea of the free market and think that capitalism as an idea is a failure?
I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years. I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.
And I wanna tell you why, because I loved beeing a libertarian, it is fun and feels good but I had to evolve.
I realized that a libertarian society can only be established in a homogenous society. A society were everyone has the same personal agenda: Liberty . But this homogenous society can never exist in a pluralist, democratic, mutli-racial and liberal system of thought/politics as it would break away immediately because of the inner tension..
That's why the monarchies old old failed to withstand Bolshevism and that's why libertarian "states" would not withstand them either: they are much too laisez-fairez to build a completely resistant block against Bolshevism. Having a strong state with a strong army or an armed populace is not enough to withstand the red storm, you need a ready and rallied and educated people to withstand the enemy within.
Defeating the state by its overinflation
How about we for example support the lefties in the "give everyone money"-welfare in order to collapse the state's monetary system. It's obviously way more realistic than big Ls who actually think they can do shit except stripping. Also, we don't really want a smaller state. A smaller state is a healthier state, and is thus more viable through time than a large one. For the state to disappear, I think its system should become so authoritarian that the whole population of Normandie would stop following it due to its ridiculous expections.
can i change girl's political opinions by spreading my sperm cells in her vagina? Janusz Korwin Mikke says that nature is not wasteful and other sperm cells, these which do not impregnate the egg cell, change the behaviour and political opinions of the girl
have you ever made a girl libertarian by spreading your sperm cells in her?
I'm pretty sure we're the most edgelords pieces of shit on the Internet. Bring it motherfuckers.
>As a result, they all like to poke fun at libertarians because, even if it's not really true, libertarians have a reputation for being "live and let live" types, and that's not nearly edgy enough so it gets shunned.
>Libertarians aren't edgy enough
Hahaha, are you fucking kidding me? Let's shitpost on the edgiest shit you have ever heard a libertarian say. Stuff like:
- Kowloon City and Somalia were ancap utopias
- A guy ignoring the lever of a trolley completely when no one is there is completely fine and dandy.
- What if the child consents?
- Autistic "not an argument" or "fallacy fallacy" community.
- Getting caught up with even the tiniest amount of bait.
Sometimes I get into discussions about, "Does there really need to be THAT MUCH land in reserve and as national parks?" There are many other topics where people feel when they're getting into slippery slopes, but somehow conservation just puts the blinders on. Maybe it's just the people I talk to, but conservationism is one of those that if I were a modern-day Genghis Khan and I wanted to convince people to genocide entire populaces, that might be my goto. Here's how it goes for me sometimes:
- Well, the rainforest is the world's lungs. So, you can't have any development there.
- Most of those parks dotted around in the Eastern U.S. are to preserve endangered wildlife.
- Yes, the West is mainly uninhabited wastes and desert, but extremely large expanse of land is O.K. because it's so rare in the modern age to have a place where wildlife can grow as it was meant to.
- Yes, Antarctica is a barren, desolate hellscape of ice, but it's the only place on Earth humans have collectively decided to leave untouched, and I think we should preserve that–even though there are vast, vast areas of land you could settle that would be no danger to any wildlife because there is none. It's just important to keep nature as nature, you know?
- You know, I'm starting to think settling Mars is a bad idea because of the rare chance of bacteria that–(IT IS SCARY HOW EASY IT IS FOR ME TO GET PEOPLE TO THIS FUCKING LEVEL)
- Yes, I think nature is more important than humans in a lot of cases.
I almost want to write a satire entitled, "Mao: the Greatest Environmentalist."
If you're a conservationist, convince me that you don't hate humanity. You're putting nothing over the lives and interests of your fellow man, aren't you?
Hi I want to post about the following topics
Being Jewish is ok
Sluts are cool
Trump is a Jewish puppet
Donald Chump is a moron
Communism is great
Libertarianism is even greater
Basically an anti-/pol/ack as you can see
I have read your rules and am willing to fully abide by them.
Am I allowed here?
Will you apply the rules against flooding when autists try to spam such threads because they get triggered?
If so I promise to be a regular contributor to the board. I also know how to use VPNs and proxies. So I will maintain a +5 user count to your board on my behalf.
What am I? And do you agree?
Hey /liberty/. I was hoping you could shed some light on what I am, and also maybe fix the problems that are occurring with the US today. There is a bunch, I’ll put this in a list.
What I believe.
>All human life should be respected unless in self defense
>Love a republic, but notice US corruption and gov overgrowth
>Dislike autocracy and dictatorship
>Like roads, but dislike massive spending on grants, etc
>Believe in nonintervention globally as much as possible
>Definite no nation building, but should intervene or keep intelligence with competitive powers
>Hate special interests, identity politics
>Strong national patriotism along with a border wall
>Massively cut oversees benefits and aid
Here is the difficult part.
>Believe the Jewish are nepotistic, and unbalanced in their representation
>See coincidences in entertainment’s cultural marxism and jewish ownership
>See commercials pushing miscegenation, degeneracy
>See the destruction of art and media, lake of transcendence and plot, for the sake of cultural marxism
>See NeoCon Jewish and corporations pushing for McCain style US
>Feel we do not need to fight or intervene for isreal or in ME
/Pol/ screams that I’m NatSoc. I just want the US to work how it was intended. I dislike ideas of caste and second rate citizenship, but the Jews really fucked up the US. It wasn’t all them, but they are a big component. But it is spilling over into my entertainment, business, life, news, discussion, and friends. It is everywhere, and unforgiveable. What is the solution?
ITT post things world government should offer to gain your support.
>Nuke China thrice
>Build a wall around japan and trade food, electricity and internet over it in exchange for hentai
>Dump all world's trash in India exclusively
>Declare Africa as a universal armed tourism and hunting ground
>Use South America as a platform for extensive weapon testing
>Create a communist country with free immigration to starve them all in there in a few years
The Socialist Calculation Debate for the Umpteenth Time
The calculation argument is that prices reflect subjective values.
The knowledge argument is that there are orders of knowledge that are only discoverable using markets.
Yes, even these bastardizations of the arguments have issues, but I think it's at least an improvement.
WHY DO THESE TWO KEEP GETTING HOMOGENIZED TOGETHER? More than that, why do they get homogenized into a completely different argument?! Most of the time, it gets homogenized into, "The human brain is deterministic; therefore, we can model it; therefore, an objective utility function can be defined, and we know that calculating a utility from the human brain is difficult, but we can solve a massive linear programming problem–Mises just pointed out how difficult that problem was" That's not the calculation argument. It's not Hayek's knowledge argument. It's infuriating how often I hear this.
I am henceforth calling this argument "The socialist's strawman."
Anyways, what gets me is not only that it's a strawman, but it's a very, very weak strawman.
>"Well howdy, mastuh Anon! I's done cooking fo' ya, if y'all come down heah wit yo' family oveah fo' dinnuh."
>"Do ya like it, mastuh? I's done thought it up myself! Issa gooood eatin', ain't it mastuh?"
ITT: You either own a loyal Negro slave, or act/talk like one. What do?
WE HAVE BEEN CORDIALLY INVITED TO
8CHANMANIA: SEASON 2
we need a wrestler in by Wednesday; the rep nominated at the moment is George Washington.
>what is this?
Custom wrestling on a videogame called "Fire Pro Wrestling World". Boards from across 8chan are participating, and it'll be a 32-wrestler tournament to be the Once and Future
King duly elected official cooperative leader sovereign citizen important board.
The game is currently available via crack, like all FREE things:
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Get in here, Lads.
Fuck Discord but we need someplace to talk action still. IRC isnt robust enough.
彡Liberte Agora 彡
> Hayek style moderation
> Area for discussing action and libertarian
> Anyone welcome from Post-Left to geolibs
> Focus on action
< No Rand
< Statists must be on best behavior
Post other chat servers and places for discussion
To the porkyposter who recently posted on a few leftypol threads:
Sorry you got banned. There are a significant number of leftists that would rather debate and engage opposing ideas rather than ban, but we don't control leftypol. That would be the toxic tranny who has killed our board. We could fix the situation if we had collective control of the board, but we don't.
This board was never perfect but nowadays 99% of all posts are either neetsocs' or commies' snarky shitposts or low effort replies to them so does anyone of you guys know some other places with ancap discussion that do not have shitty BOs inviting ancoms and such on the sticky? Also the creation of such places, be it another board, site, tor, tox or whatever you think is of use.
Turns out abortion really is self-defence.
EU Articles to Criminalize Online Free Speech pass EU Parliament Committee
Why this is bad for all Digital Free Speech: https://www.communia-association.org/tag/article-13/
European Union users can visit this website to email, call, or tweet your MEPs to stop Article 13 and Article 11 from criminalizing links, memes, and free speech: https://saveyourinternet.eu/
So 8chan, how does a board built on free speech feel about this???
>inb4 /b/tards complain pedophilia is censored and anarcho-capitalists defend privatizing free speech
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HE'S FUCKIN DONE IT BOYOS
Venezuela has officially launched its oil-backed cryptocurrency
>Venezuela has officially launched what its President Nicolas Maduro claims is a first state-backed oil-backed cryptocurrency, El Petro.
>Over the past months, Maduro has been touting a new plan for economic recovery, which includes a new policy on gasoline pricing that would raise Venezuela’s ultra-cheap gas prices for the first time in two decades. The plan to ease the severe economic crisis also featured a devaluation of the currency and pegging the new bolivars to the Petro.
>Maduro claims that the Petro is strengthening his recently announced economic overhaul plan and will “revolutionize” the global crypto economy with a new form of trade, finance, and monetary exchange.
tfw it makes perfect sense
ruler chosen by periphery: poland (protests in capital city), usa (protests in commiefornia and big cities like ny), turkey (protests in ankara, izmir, istambul and other big cities)
on the other hand
rulers chosen by centre- EU (protests of periphery states like hungary and poland)
There are a number of counterarguments to socialist arguments that I do not know of a good socialist counter counter reply (I have heard counter replies, but none that I feel like I have to stop for). So this is a thread where I can ask if you have ever heard a good reply to:
- The Nordic countries rank near the top in economic freedom, how can you call them socialist?
- Conversely, Venezuela ranks lower than Cuba, how can you call it capitalist?
- How can one defend Keynesianism after looking at Japan?
- Why does nearly every metric decouple after 1971?
- If regulations were increasing at a staggering rate according to the federal register, how can it be said the "deregulation caused the great recession?"
- What is the explanation to the 1921 recovery?
What did Congress mean by this?
>join moonman discord
>say that all Jews and other non-whites should be gassed unironically
>everyone thinks I'm an FBI agent
>also my name is shared by a negress on twitter
>they want me to get on mic
>the only mic I have is a broken pair of combo mic earbuds
>they want me to take a timestamped pic of my skin/face
>decide not to out of fear of being doxxed
No one understands the struggle of legitimately believing that all non-whites deserve death. I'm tired of being constantly accused of being a CIAnigger because of my ascended level of racism. It makes me sad to be constantly mocked and rejected when all I want is a common sense genocide
>"I speak for the trees, you can not keep doing this Onceler."
>"Come back when you have financial reasons you hobo."
>The Lorax starts a futures market for thneeds and the Onceler's business.
>Learns basic accounting.
>Points out that the net present accounting value of Onceler's actions are negative given the rate of depreciation in the business' land value and the rapidly increasing futures rates of thneeds.
>"Oh hey, thanks Lorax, maybe it doesn't make financial sense to destroy every ounce of land."
How do you think the gameplay of an ancap strategy game would ideally work?
For the story, I have two things in mind:
>1. You inherit a business empire, and have to get a monopoly on the whole market while trying to out-compete rival business groups and survive the growing power of the state as well as various anti-capitalist factions
>2. You are a multi-millionaire who is sick of liberal totalitarianism and leftism interfering with your life and the lives of your fellow countrymen, so you decide to take your fortune to some unoccupied territory and build a capitalist utopia with other like-minded businessmen while competing with their businesses, and fighting off aggressive states who are unhappy with the amount of freedom that you and your fellow ancaps (or not) enjoy
In ordinary RTSs, you just throw resources at the barracks to shit out soldiers, which go and secure more resources to enable you to shit out even more soldiers, and it's basically a contest between players of who can do this the fastest. No game (not even city-sims) ever takes the market into account, where you have:
>a realistic economy
>citizens having their own lives
>citizens having their own wants and needs
>citizens earning their own money
>citizens spending their own money
>citizens building the villages, towns and cities that you're supposedly trying to protect, and being responsible for all the progress in their part of the game world
>the player being a citizen like everyone else, who can take part in the market and influence it with what power he has (or if playing as the government, having society react appropriately to government laws/actions and looking work solutions and work-arounds to the problems that government creates)
The way anyone even begins to hint at an armed revolution and the thread is filled with, "Honeypot thread, gtfo out of here you federalos," I have to wonder…how the hell did revolutions ever start? I mean, that threat that you have a Benedict Arnold in your group has always existed, why is it such a good way to silence dissent now? Or maybe revolutionary groups began a different way in the past?
/pol/ says that women suffrage was done by Joos to make labour force cheaper because women started working and men had competition in labour market
i think it was stef who said that taxes rose and men could not earn enough to provide whole family a living and in this way women were forced into labour force
what do you think about these explainations?
Was this ancap?
>The Nazino affair (Russian: Назинская трагедия, translit. Nazinskaya Tragediya) was the mass deportation of 6,000 people to Nazino Island in the Soviet Union in May 1933. The deportees, mostly political prisoners and petty criminals, were forcibly sent to the small, isolated island in Western Siberia, located 540 kilometers (340 mi) northwest of Tomsk, to construct a "special settlement". They were abandoned with only flour for food, and little in the way of tools, clothing, or shelter, and those who attempted to leave were killed by armed guards. The conditions of the island led to widespread disease, abuse of power, violence, and cannibalism. Within thirteen weeks, over 4,000 of the deportees related to Nazino Island had died or disappeared, and a majority of the survivors were in ill health.
Social Democracy for the 21st Century
Pick any article you want and debunk it. Go on, don't be shy.
Debunking Austrian Economics 101 (Updated):
Who are you voting for in November, American /liberty/? Or will you be?
Not sure if I should vote against the Democrats in the Congressional race this November because I want to send a message about how much I fucking hate this culture war.
Not sure if I should vote against the Republicans in the Congressional race this November because they can’t repeal Obamacare, let alone do anything meaningful, and are full of boomershit traitors like McCain was.
Not sure if I should just write "fuck you" on the ballots like I have been.
There are no third parties where I live.
Libertarianism from First Principles
How many libertarians are actually principled?
Few in the National LP from my angle. What do I mean by principled? I mean you don't arrive at your conclusions haphazardly with ur feelz, but with an "unbreakable" chain of logical truths. Science bitches!
Check out the embedded (((YouTube))) video by Shane Killian for a good breakdown.
I know I considered myself a libertarian for years before I understood wtf they meant by "principle".
But once you're principled, every single libertarian position is self-evident to you (with some notable exceptions like abortion) and you become one consistent motherfucker. Once you get to this point, the LP almost seems like a joke: "the party of principle" my ass!
But hey, at least the intent is there in the motto. And look, holding onto principle can be fucking difficult. The political winds will blow you right the fuck away. If you don't hold on tight, you will you be forcing jew grannies to bake nazi cakes at gunpoint, before you know it.
Isn't principle what really separates us from the statist sheep and LINOS? Doesn't it elevate our political ethos above a simple ideology? We don't "believe" this, we just acknowledge fundamental truths as such.
So, what do you liberty anons think?
meanwhile in european (((universities)))
>Whiteness. Race and the shifting codes of social privilege
>The aim of the course is to examine the concept of whiteness and its functioning in different historical, social and cultural contexts. During our classes we will analyse ways in which whiteness is constructed within changing systems of status hierarchy and pose a question about its relationship to a category of race. We will draw on theoretical approaches adopted in „whiteness studies”, discuss the origins and development of this research field and relate it to wider studies on ethnicity, race and racism. Referring to the works of sociologists, historians and anthropologists we will show how whiteness has organized and defined different forms of social privileged that is still perpetuated by the cultural patterns of valorisation operating in Western and non-Western societies. In this context we will also discuss whiteness in connection with issues such as culturally conditioned perception of the body and ideals of beauty, whiteness and class, whiteness and gender, whiteness and colorism. During the course we will not only focus on scholarly works but will also consider representations and problematizations of whiteness that can be found in literature, visual arts, film or advertising.
The Uniqueness of Western Civilization | Ricardo Duchesne and Stefan Molyneux
One of the rare modern-day sociologists who is not a SJW (as a former marxist he knows how to refute them). A pretty good interview, shedding light on how much the west has actually contributed to human sociology and science, protestations of the cultural marxists aside.
>Book Summary: "This extensively researched book argues that the development of a libertarian culture was an indispensable component of the rise of the West. The roots of the West's superior intellectual and artistic creativity should be traced back to the aristocratic warlike culture of Indo-European speakers. Among the many fascinating topics discussed are: the ascendancy of multicultural historians and the degradation of European history; China's ecological endowments and imperial windfalls; military revolutions in Europe 1300-1800; the science and chivalry of Henry the Navigator; Judaism and its contribution to Western rationalism; the cultural richness of Max Weber versus the intellectual poverty of Pomeranz, Wong, Goldstone, Goody, and A.G. Frank; change without progress in the East; Hegel's Phenomenology of the [Western] Spirit; Nietzsche and the education of the Homeric Greeks; Kojeve's master-slave dialectic and the Western state of nature; Christian virtues and German aristocratic expansionism."
>Dr. Ricardo Duchesne is a historical sociologist, a professor at the University of New Brunswick and the author of “The Uniqueness of Western Civilization,” “Faustian Man in a Multicultural Age” and “Canada In Decay: Mass Immigration, Diversity, and the Ethnocide of Euro-Canadians.”
Taiwan Police Apprehend 3-D Printed Gun Pioneer Accused Of Child Sex Abuse
Wilson, 30, was taken to immigration authorities in the capital by officers from Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau, according to local media reports and an official from the bureau who asked not to be named. However, two Taiwanese officials denied Wilson was arrested or in custody. His exact status was unclear.
Because his U.S. passport was later annulled, the agency’s statement said, he “no longer has the legal status to stay in Taiwan.”
Facing accusations of having sex with a minor, it appears that Cody Wilson, the man behind the 3-D Printable firearms company Defense Distributed, is somewhere in Taiwan being pursued by local police.
According to reporting by Chinese-language media outlet United Daily News, Wilson has skipped his flight home to the U.S. and has attempted to rent an apartment in Taiwan. He appears to have initially passed himself off as an American student living in the city but has since been turned away by a prospected landlord who recognized him and called the authorities.
United Daily News reports that area police and Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau are now trying to locate Wilson.
On Wednesday, Police in Austin Texas announced that they had a warrant out for the arrest of the 3D-printed gun pioneer on allegations of sexual assault of an underage girl. Investigators say both Wilson and the young girl met through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com and were spotted at an Austin Hotel.
The department revealed that Wilson’s last known location was Taipei, Taiwan but that authorities were unsure whether the 30-year-old had gone to Taiwan on legitimate business or whether he was expressly trying to flee the United States.
“We can’t confirm any of the [Taiwan] reports just yet; no updates planned for today,” Lisa Cortinas, a spokeswoman for the Austin Police Department, told ArsTechnica on Thursday afternoon.
The Taiwan News has also reported that Wilson is on the ground in Taiwan, having been spotted at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Taipei after arriving in the city on September 6. However, they report that Wilson checked out the next day.
Wilson, who has recently won a legal battle against the State Department, a court decision which has pissed off Attorney Generals across the United States, has relentlessly pursued his principled passion for disseminating 3-D printable gun blueprints to the general public.
After a federal judge in Seattle blocked Defense Distributed from having the gun blueprints available to anyone free of price, Wilson jumped through a loophole, placing them for sale in order to keep them available.
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What if a small group of people owned a big portion (e.g. 99%) of the land.
Would they sell it for cheap?
Would they keep it their property forever so that others can't buy land?
The small group of people can have acquired the land unjustly.
For example a prior government gave it to them excluding others.
The records can be lost so we can't prove any more that they acquired the land unjustly.
The great thing about you /liberty/ retards is that you're exactly as retarded as the /leftypol/ retards. Whereas /leftypol/ retards pride themselves in a moralist (pseudo-)critique of capitalism that only centers itself around notions of justice; of 'fair' distribution, the main man they claim to have stand as their authority figure on their opinion, Karl Marx, thinks they're all gigantic morons who haven't noticed that the central point of tension is not between the labourer and capitalist, i.e. the transhistorical and merely abstract character masks within the division of labour, but between labour and capital themselves.
In this text, Marx berates a leftist idiot (Adolph Wagner) for contorting his writings into a book that wholly misrepresents his views, producing takedowns and corrections of his bullshit such as this:
>What a “subtraction from the worker” is, subtraction of his skin, etc., is not evident. At any rate, in my presentation even, “profit on capital” is in actual fact not “a subtraction from, or robbery of, the worker.” On the contrary, I depict the capitalist as the necessary functionary of capitalist production and demonstrate at great length that he not only “subtracts” or “robs” but enforces the production of surplus value, thus first helping to create what is to be subtracted; what is more, I demonstrate in detail that even if only equivalents were exchanged in the exchange of commodities, the capitalist—as soon as he pays the worker the real value of his labour-power—would have every right, i.e. such right as corresponds to this mode of production, to surplus-value. …
>The obscure man falsely attributes to me the view that “the surplus-value produced by the workers alone remains, in an unwarranted manner, in the hands of the capitalist entrepreneurs” (Note 3, p. 114). In fact I say the exact opposite: that the production of commodities must necessarily become “capitalist” production of commodities at a certain point, and that according to the law of value governing it, the “surplus-value” rightfully belongs to the capitalist and not the worker. …
So rest assured, both you and the leftist idiots are not just equally as stupid, but the LARPing internet idiots you find on the internet not only currently stand outside of any level of class struggle and the Marxist understanding of class struggle, but always will find themselves there so long as they operate on the moralising plane of their critiques.
Do you believe in inalienable rights? If so, how do you know that these rights exist? It's easy to say that these rights are inalienable and God-given, but can you provide any sort of evidence for their existence, or a reason why I should believe in them?
Ethical questions for NAPpers
For a libertarian, what is the moral status of buying U.S. federal government treasuries?
For those that believe that fractional reserve banking is the cause of the boom bust cycle, what is the moral status of having a checking account with a bank that does not have 100% reserves?
Midterms Thread (Remember to vote!)
I'm making this thread in preparation for the midterms to raise awareness for voting; if we want to make the USA a truly free place as it was meant to be, we all need to vote for people who want to make that happen. /liberty/ isn't the largest board on the website, but there are still people here who can help to make a difference. I know a lot of us are going to vote but there still might be those who can be encouraged, hence why I'm making this thread. Another reason is so we can talk about good candidates and figure out the best choices for each state.
Living in New Hampshire, which is already a fairly free state, someone going by Aaron Day has popped up and he's interested in doing a lot to make the state better. I'm planning on voting for him; I don't want Chris Sununu in charge of my home any longer.
The New Hampshire primaries are on
and the general voting is on
It's a smaller state so I'm not sure if many people here live in NH but for those of you who do, those are the dates. Anyways, lets discuss the midterms and what we can do to raise votes to make a freer America!
What does liberty think about the Israel/Palestine Conflict?
The Palestinians lost a lot of land to Israel while they are caged up like animals. However them chimping out gives Israel the excuse to lob bombs their way and play victim. It seems like a two state solution would be the only answer but neither side seems to want to cooperate.
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Questions that don't deserve their own thread, physical removal edition.
Firstly, how does the taking care of children (or the charity in which you take care of retards) work in ancapistan? Is preventing your kid and/or retard from doing dangerous shit interruption of their nap, or does the implied contract one has with kids/commies make it okay?
How would an AnCap society deal with Red Market Activities?
How would an AnCap society deal with activities like forced trafficking, organ theft, and assassination markets? With the advent of bitcoin, it gives great freedom but also great anonymity. Enough to start creating an assassination market.
This is not meant as a gotcha but I legitimately thinking of writing a story on the subject. Mainly having that AnCap society not being one society, but several societies that each have their own culture and way of doing things much like Libertarians themselves. You could have libertarians with a more marshal honor culture based off of Hans Herman Hoppe or hippie communes based off of someone like Jeffrey Tucker. My story will be about how the society deals with issues like these. I don't want to give out to many details as to not have ideas stolen.
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Ancap social boundaries
Thread about spiritual ancap community problems. I run a spiritual ancap community, and while doing so problems arise, especially leadership and self governing problems. I made a post explaining the manipulation that can arise if you are not in the leadership role all the time, because people always want to control. (((Here is the full post))) https://www.patreon.com/posts/social-20712261
Working in different groups have taught me, to set up strong social boundaries. Because some people see kindness and compassion as being weak or vulnerable. They misuse the kindness and openness you give them and try to control the group or you.
Because they are not used to living free and open. They try to manipulate and gaslight you.
(So what does this word mean? "Gaslighting" is used to describe abusive behavior, specifically when an abuser manipulates information in such a way as to make a victim question his or her sanity and twist words upside . Gaslighting intentionally makes someone doubt their actions, beliefs, or perception of reality.)
From now on, if anyone is gaslighting, being manipulative, abusing my kindness, being irresponsible, or not respecting me and my friends. And being a drain on community resources and time.
Then they get 1 chance to change their behavior or else its out of the community. This is not a free loading place, here action is taken.
Many people that come here, have lost their own sense of leadership and they want me to tell them how to wipe their own asses, then I say If you want that kind of leadership, stay in your current society where everyone tells you how to wipe your own ass. Learn to take power back in your own hands, and do things because you want to help, not because I told you to help .
It seems most of us here agree with Rothbard that fractional-reserve banks are inherently fraudulent and wouldn't exist in a free market. Anyone take the "free banking" view, that private banks need not maintain 100% reserves, and it's not only permissible but beneficial for banks to loan out their obligations? If so, what's the answer for how such a system would work on the market? The way I see it, there's a pretty strong market incentive to maintain 100% reserve, because the moment any one bank starts to expand its credit, other banks would notice this, and it would be in their interest to cash in obligations held with that bank, and force a run. What's the free-banking response to this?
Also general banking thread
Good or bad?
>The United States and Mexico agreed on Monday to overhaul the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), putting pressure on Canada to agree to new terms on auto trade and dispute settlement rules to remain part of the three-nation pact.
>Auto stocks soared and financial markets firmed on the expectation that Canada would sign on to the deal by the end of the week and ease the economic uncertainty caused by U.S. President Donald Trump’s repeated threats that he would ditch the 1994 accord.
>But details of gains and concessions in the deal were only starting to emerge on Monday, and Trump threatened he still could put tariffs on Canadian-made cars if Canada did not join its neighbors.
Which is the most effective means to usher in a voluntary society in the long run?
The methods I've seen on /liberty/ so far are:
>Working within the state to enact reforms, educating the masses, and/or peaceful demonstrations
>Libertarian homesteading on sea/space/terra nullius
>Participating in the black/gray market to undermine state control of the economy
>Bunkering down with ample supplies and ammo and waiting for government to collapse
>Armed struggle followed by a temporary regime to purge collectivism and reorient society along voluntary lines
Digital First Amendment Bull
This is a bit late to the party but these threads last forever on this board so whatever. Since Alex Jones got kicked off of four platforms in mere days of each other, as well as conservatives getting shadowbanned and actually banned on social media, people are actually calling for the First Amendment to cover Social Media. "Small government" conservatives want to get the government to run social media or prevent private companies from banning people they like because they are a "monopoly". This is stupid because as us libertyfags know, government sucks at running most if not everything.
However, these tech giants like Twitter and Facebook have set a bad precedent with banning Alex Jones. It was a stupid decision because it just confirms all the conspiracies about the "elite" Alex Jones has been cooking up over the past few years. It also makes him into a martyr that hurts their image. This will likely have two possibilities. A, the Trump run government will likely take partial control of social media ruining it, or B the right just goes to Gab, Vidme, Bitchute, etc. creating two sets of echo chambers. One for the left and one for the right. This would make things worse for politics as people will no longer talk to each other, further increasing tension in an already politically fractured USA.
Thoughts, solutions, missed points?
The alt-right is where the intellectual wing of the libertarian movement goes to die. This accelerating downward spiral into esoteric nonsense and spiritual absolutism is an anathema to any political ideology that wants to maintain an upward trend in the public discourse. I would like to add a corollary to the heuristic for movements that are not explicitly right-wing moving left, and that is that any movement that loses touch with methodology drifts towards vague appeals based upon aesthetics. And it's also really gaaaaaaaaaay.
Liberalism are the modern day millenials or modern day hippies advocating LGBT, same sex marriage, premarital sex, political correctness, atheism, agnosticism
Leftism are the socialists and communists like in China, Norh Korea and Latin America
Like what Dr. Michael Savage said: Liberalism is a mental disorders. Can you guess what leftism is?
200 YEARS OF MARX
"I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone - if possible - Jew, Gentile - black man - white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.
"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….
"The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world - millions of despairing men, women, and little children - victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.
"To those who can hear me, I say - do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed - the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish. …..
"Soldiers! don’t give yourselves to brutes - men who despise you - enslave you - who regiment your lives - tell you what to do - what to think and what to feel! Who drill you - diet you - treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts! You don’t hate! Only the unloved hate - the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!
"In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” - not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power - the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.
"Then - in the name of democracy - let us use that power - let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world - a decent world that will give men a chance to work - that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfil that promise. They never will!
"Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfil that promise! Let us fight to free the world - to do away with national barriers - to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! in the name of democracy, let us all unite!"
I'd like to know your thoughts, /liberty/. Whether you agree or disagree, chime in.
(1) showering / taking a bath is unpleasant as it needs effort
(2) one does not feel one's stink
it leads to conclusion that
>everyone who showers /takes a bath does it for others being in this way altruistic
>everyone who showers /takes a bath is a conformist
>if you shower / take a bath you are a normie
Wish globalism became the dominant ideology so we could muster all of our resources and explore space, such a shame. But it seems we, as a world, aren’t ready for this yet. The radical leftists and rightists want to destroy everything for a society they want, and you all want your “precious” individual freedoms which deter even the slightest human progress.
The only way we can truly prosper is if the human race gives into ultimate centralization.
So, do me a favor and continue to vote mainstream so we can get this underway, freedomfags. Oh and invest more into cryptocurrency. It is, after all, for the greater good that you do.
How did Keynesian Economics become Mainstream
>Paying people to dig ditches and fill them back up again is gainful employment
>We shouldn't be worried about the long term because "we'll all be dead"
>WW2 and/or the New Deal ended the depression
>We need a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble
>A trillion dollar coin could pay off the national debt
>Letting the market fix itself is ridiculous so we need an alien invasion to create fiscal stimulus
>20 trillion in debt isn't a problem because its the money we owe to ourselves
How did Keynesian economics become mainstream to the point people unironically say "believing in Keynes is like believing in Darwin"?
>kill the tsar
>distribute land equally between peasants
>90% of peasants are idiots that don't produce excess for sale
>the remaining 10% are entrepreneurial and as a result become rich
>forcibly amalgamate the two classes under state control
>kill the 10% that knew how to run the farms properly as "capitalists"
>plan fails utterly and state has to import food
>some people are more skilled and talented than others
>however cannot allow them to participate in a marketplace as this would allow them to be rich
>set up nationwide system of redistribution to try and ensure that enough gets to those who are skilled while never allocating them to much so that the wealth is equally shared
>clever managers learn how to falsify reports to central administration to receive excess material shipments
>instead of hording currency individuals simply horde goods that they don't need to sell in times of shortage
>entire system is ridiculously slow and criticism of its functioning is forbidden
>ramp up military production to try and compete with capitalist arms buildup
>consumer goods production into the shitter
>food imports stop due to embargo
>some idiots half the world away think that this will still work again
Property is theft.
>A man whom it would be forbidden to pass on the highways, to stop in the fields, to shelter in caves, to light a fire, to pick wild berries, to gather herbs and to boil them in a piece of terra-cotta, this man could not live. Thus the land, like water, air, and light, is an object of first necessity, of which everyone must freely use, without harming the enjoyment of others; why is the land appropriate?
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Qu'est ce que la propriété?
Let me convince you of Ayn Rand's Objectivism
I've studied and lived Oism for a decade and want to convince others of its arguments.
Metaphysics: Existence is as it is - there are no contradictions
Epistemology: Reality can be known via the senses
Ethics: You live for your own happiness (as a human being).
Politics: Free market capitalism (
Aesthetics: Realistic art that shows and idealizes how things really are
(Related points: humans have free will and are born with a blank slate and no obligations to others)
Revenge of the Saltmines -
Truly-American meme war! Roblox is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless anti-meme Lord, George Soros. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.
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on creating ancapistan
What do you think of the idea of creating ancapistan irl? I'm sure it must have been discussed before. It would of course only be a state in the eyes of statists, and different communities would of course have different relations to other countries. The largest problem would of course be aquiring land, and I think the two best solutions would be either international waters or nonland. Nonland isn't much of an alternative, as it's basically just LARPing. So, so far it seems to be best to go like Sealand and be positioned within international waters. Of course, the non-abundance of land on an oil rig or artificial island would deem it difficult to have different communitites in the beginning. But, as long as we have some criteria on who can join ancapistan's existing land (no statists and other fags etc.), it wouldn't be much of a problem. Also, in other to seem like we're not only larping, I propose naming it something else than ancapistan. Say, if we decided on water, it could be named (New) Atlantis or something, idk.
Extremely poor, unemployed, disabled American here. I grew up poor and in a broken home. Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for working 12 hours a day so you can pay for my benefits. It's really nice of you. If only i was able to work, i'd stop living on unemployment, but unfortunately i have a few mental illnesses from the abuse and negligence and businesses refuse to hire me. I live in Smalltown USA™ and every employer knows who i am (nepotism is rampant here) so i'd have to go out of town for a job, but honestly i don't think it's worth it. Thanks again!
P.S. - stop paying taxes any time!
Hello, I would like to see how dead this board is and should I settle here. So let's start with a simple question: how would we deal with random bullets whizzing by in a libertarian society? Say there is a small gang war going on inb4 gangs are caused by gibment intervention, have it that it's some arctic cool religious war between esoteric racial presbiterians and the Southern Pentacostal Law Church and people are buying groceries and unpasteurised milk on the market (without [™] because IP is laughable). No one means any harm, but bullets fly and it is not clear who is responsible for bystander deaths as cameras are a breech of privacy and all. Who would you sue/shoot at if your slave got injured in such circumstances? TL;DR: personal forcefield anti-high velocity projectile shieldbelts when
Russia and the transformation from socialism to capitalism
How does /liberty/ explain the catastrophic development of Russia after the deconstruction of socialism? Remember that during the early Yeltsin period, the free market in Russia was almost anarchic, state institutions almost collapsed, and private oligarchs appropriated most of the state's property, quickly establishing a new capitalist class in Russia. Yet it had negative consequences: Life expectancy sank so much it killed almost 6 million people, GDP collapsed beyond repair, infrastructure crumpled, employees were laid off everywhere, massive increase in alcoholism and domestic violence, end of the almost 100% literary rate, shortages, inflation, the loss of the super power status. Sure Putin's Russia alleviated some of the most urgent problems, but he did so through putting a stop to the privatizations and propping up some kind of state capitalism, but it's still far beyond what it had once been. There is still corruption, poverty and economically Russia is a gas station first and foremost.
I mean, what did the USSR provide? Steady economic growth (YES there was stagnation in the Brezhnev period but it is meant that economic growth wasn't as high as it was before, not actual stagnation), full employment, super power, development of nuclear fusion, no homelessness. Of course there were problems, such as the fact that the Soviet cybersin program was abandoned just like the "Soviet internet" as it threatened the power of some of the bureaucrats, which means yes, there were structural deficits, but that doesn't change that the Soviet economy put the people first. Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS
If that would have been implemented, USSR could have gone beyond money and a more cybernetic distribution of goods.
why dont right-wingers read books?
it is almost as if … ring wingers have low IQ or something!
also, lolbergs always whine on about "muh economics", yet there is no respected austrian economist today!
all right wing books are high school level, while lefty books are only for the academic individual, such as Adorno / Horkheimer / Marcuse / Foucault and many others. How come you do not even know what their views are? It is almost as if you have simplistic views "grug want market rock" tier.
why havent yall killed yourselves yet, brainlets?
Why do Nationalists conveniently forget that Jews are demonstrably self-hating and self-defeating when they point out that there are Jews present in the foundation or development of modern economics and individualism? It seems like a really convenient fact that Nationalists leverage frequently (typically to tie in Jews self-designating themselves as white and then expressing anti-white sentiments to their Jewishness) so I'm not sure why they bother pretending otherwise.
That is, of course, working in the assumption that Jewishness informs their beliefs for or against a common Jewish purpose, which also assumes a lot. Modern genetic theory would instead imply that Jewish predisposition to either central planning or much more rarely radical individualism could be the product of high-IQ and pervasive personality traits that influence such beliefs somewhat deterministically, which is also another convenient fact that Nationalists leverage frequently.
I mean, I'm structuring this with a really blatant argument in mind, that people are subverting reasonable hatred for the status quo into an even more pro-government fervor "for the right reasons this time, promise, win wink", but maybe there are perfectly reasonable explanations for the hypocrisy and I just missed them, so if you have any, please help out.
natural disclaimer: I would take a /pol/shitposter nationalist government over a bunch of gommies trying to do the same thing any day of the week and this should be taken more as intra-faction nitpicking than actual 'dude btfo lmao' content.
The "Intellectual Dark Web" website
Not all of those listed are libertarians, but much more libertarian-minded than most of the "thought leaders" in power now across the world today, and much more rational too. (Generally they are trying to dismantle the ideology of the authoritarian left, either directly or indirectly.)
What will you do after ancap?
While some people make it their whole lives, I only see politics as a means to an end. A government (or lack thereof), only exists to protect the prosperity of its people so that they can focus on their dreams and goals without worrying about the minutiae of infrastructure and invading barbarians. I think too many people forget that and come to see political bickering as the end all be all of their existence, and have no plans to venture beyond the charted waters of government. But not me, and I hope not you either.
When the revolution comes and goes and the states are all deposed and we set up and tune up the proper order of things, what will you do then? Where do you want to go once the great task is complete? For me, I want to open myself a bakery in a small town, and have it be a gathering place for all the locals to come and socialize and make friends and share experiences. And I want to find myself a wife who's sweeter than everything else in the shop.
What will you do, anons? Where will you go when you're no longer needed on the battlefield?
I hate status quoians
>be savagely individualist since birth
>be raised in modern socialist US
>police take gun
>make neighbors angry (probably my fault actually, but fuck them)
>people start following me home from work, coworkers gaslight constantly
>walk out on low paying jobs because they suck
>people start driving by my house at night
>get college funding, move back in with parents
>jobless fat uncle hates me, berates me in front of mother
>mother kicks his fat ass out. house instantly better, fat uncle homeless now
>fat uncle is respected in the community, denounces me, often tails me where I go
>get a temporary job, and have to walk out next day because all the coworkers do is play fuckbuck games on me
>for some reason people are mad that I am engaging in capitalist non-association or something. >People start drive by honking my house
>Fucking hate all of them even more. Engage in possibly illegal activities.
>get arrested (possibly illegally arrested I found out later)
>phone hacked, hear honks on other side of call (It was my lawyer I was calling)
>literally want to kill people (nothing out of the ordinary really)
>be forced to attend probation
>can't stand having to be in a room with fat bitch who pretends she is actually doing something productive
>difficult to sleep
What the fuck do I do liberty?
1.progressives/liberals/globalists who assume everyone is equal and thus has to be treated exactly the same (but of course people are too stupid to rule themselves so bureaucrats and “intellectuals” have to step in and exercise power)
2. reactionaries/nationalists/fascists who believe people are naturally inequal and that some groups, parties or traits are more suited for various tasks - such as rulership.
I stand firmly with the second party. Nothing in nature is “equal” and human populations are extremely disparate in intelligence, temperament, and culture. The ideological basis for progressivism goes back to the early 1840s when certain protestant circles in various monocultural, monoethnic countries decided - based on biblical teachings - that all people were exactly the same because they all had souls. These same circles came up with ideas like “human rights” - inherent rights given to all humans equally by a creator - that are still believed in today even though the leadership of the progressive movements has turned to atheism.
Overall there is no basis to the first party if you’re not a protestant Christian
If you think the OBAMACARE mandate is unconstitutional and thievery of the most outrageous kind…if you would like to see victims of this compensated for the money that was STOLEN from them….please sign this petition and pass it on!
Probably the biggest source of ridicule and mockery against the solvency, realism, and desirability of libertarianism I'm seeing right now is coming from right-wing populists, the alt-right, and paleocons furious about right-wing views and figures getting deplatformed on social media. They assert that hoping for free market fixes is delusional and shunning government regulation to force equal access on private companies is cucking to the left. The main thrust takes the form of one of the favored pillories against libertarian philosophy that "it looks great on paper but doesn't work in the real world."
But just what is the valid market-oriented solution to the informal collusion of left-wing power brokers seizing the means of communication to un-thing more and more of the right side of the political spectrum?
>Start your own social media alternative
1. Mobile services won't host you in their app stores.
2. DNS provider seizes your domain
3. Web host just up and leaves
>Well then raise funds for your own computing resources
Patreon, GoFundMe, and other crowdsourcing services drop you
>Then start your own alternative crowdsourcing service
Secure payment processors like PayPal and Stripe refuse to process your transactions
>MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE PAYMENT PROCESSOR
Credit card companies won't acknowledge you.
There does not appear to be any viable means of stopping this besides regulatory action. Whether it be breaking up tech company monopolies, revoking their Safe Harbor protections, or rescinding common carrier/neutral platform assumptions for these companies.
<JC Denton: Despite all I’ve read about the Triads, I wasn’t prepared to see them operating in the open, on the streets, and wearing uniforms. Doesn’t the Chinese government care?
>Isaac: The Chinese leave Hong Kong alone. They barricade the roads to control trade to the mainland, but they know how business is done."
<JC Denton: I would think the secret smuggling operations of the Triads would disturb the Chinese government.
>Isaac: Maybe the Luminous Path, but China knows that the Red Arrow are business owners, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and that they protect the city from outside influences.
<JC Denton: You said 'outside influences.' What does China fear?
>Isaac: China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing - unlike U.N.-governed countries - to give its people the freedom to do what they want.
<JC Denton: As long as they don’t break the law.
>Isaac: Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power.
<JC Denton: Our governments have limited power by design.
>Isaac: Rhetoric–and you believe it! Don’t you know where those slogans come from?
<JC Denton: I give up.
>Isaac: Well-paid researchers - how do you say it? - 'think tanks,' funded by big businesses. What is that? A 'think tank'?
<JC Denton: Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier.
>Isaac: It’s privately-funded propaganda. The Trilateral Commission in the United States for instance.
<JC Denton: The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength.
>Isaac: A system organized around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce these same qualities in its leaders.
<JC Denton: Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.
>Isaac: The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization.
I suppose it's time. /b/, /pol/, and /leftypol/ have already permab& me, so let's see how libertine /liberty/ actually is.
/pol/'s shitposting campaign against pedophilia is gaining traction, especially since the legit rapists in the higher echelons of power are being exposed. Is there anything that can be done about this, or are the rest of you just doing what I do; hunkering down and wishin' a nigga would? Do you really believe the fag community is an ally to pedophiles, or do you think it's just another trick the same way it was in the 70s when they used NAMBLA to springboard them into the spotlight?
Are the bad times coming? Are you ready for them if they are? Chime in, /liberty/. Questions desire answers.
Is there any draw fags, that could change the nazi symbol in the middle to the flower of life symbol. I want a spiritual ancap flag. The pics are just for reference, just make it nice looking and make it blend together with the flag, add the snake around the flower of life for extra flare.
Peter Schiff Twice Shakes up Congressional Hearings
From one of the few people who both predicted the bubbles and busts of the housing market and others, and who was not suggesting to congress more government intervention or special treatment of powerful established industries.
Summary of the testimony by Schiff is in the first 12 minutes of the video.
hey anyone know more about this ??
apparently a patent was filed for this and some documents released however i cannot tell if fake or not
>name it "N.H.K."
>people pay me to obtain a life-time "NEET" card
>owners of NEET cards have their rent, food, fuel, utility costs, healthcare, and other basic expenses taken care of, as well as getting a basic monthly income
>mfw I have invented a working version of socialism
It's literally flawless. Rate.
How does it feel knowing that one of the founding fathers is a proto-communist?
>Why . . . does Mr. Burke talk of this House of Peers, as the pillar of the landed interest? Were that pillar to sink into the earth, the same landed property would continue, and the same ploughing, sowing, and reaping would go on. The Aristocracy are not the farmers who work the land . . . but are the mere consumers of the rent.
>Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came.
>if we examine the case minutely it will be found that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labour that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence.
>he states, “There are two kinds of property. Firstly, natural property,” in the land, air, and water of the earth, which the Creator gave all humanity an equal right to, and, secondly, “artificial or acquired property,” the products of labor of which “equality is impossible,” since that would require “that all should have contributed in the same proportion, which can never be the case.” He states, “Equality of natural property is the subject of this little essay. Every individual in the world is born therein with legitimate claims on a certain kind of property, or its equivalent.”
How do we know the destruction of the low-income family hasn't been a good thing?
What I mean to say is, welfare benefits might have allowed low-income mothers to get by without drunk, violent, or abusive fathers who would have had a bad influence on the children. I'm not saying mothers don't also have those traits, but it happens to be mothers who almost always take care of them, so in reality it is the mothers who might be keeping out harmful men.
In any case, regardless of who's to blame, conflict between parents is always a bad thing in a house with children, so it's not necessarily the case that they'd be better off with the father in the house.
Of course fathers *can* provide a good influence, but this is not always the case, and it seems to me least likely to be the case in the lower income brackets.
Awaiting your thoughts on this /liberty/.
The surprising science of alpha males
tldr: Those who try to dominate instead of work with/for others don't succeed for long, those who mediate and are good to others gain trust and support, which allows them to stay as leaders for a long time (and survive after they age).
Peter Schiff on how minimum wage policies kill jobs
Nice explanation by Peter Schiff on the Joe Rogan podcast on how minimum wage was first pushed by racists, and how it decimated the American Samoan economy when it was pushed on them.
Cant seem to get the link to start when the segment starts, it's 5:42 in.
Are there any good books or articles I should read on real life examples of polycentric legal systems, such as the one in the Icelandic Commonwealth or Brehon Law? I recently read The Not So Wild, Wild West but I want more information on these kinds of systems of conflict resolution that are in accordance with a libertarian society.
If we take it as a given that IP laws are unlibertarian (I know not everyone agrees on that but for the sake of argument let's assume), and wouldn't be enforceable in a private society, what mechanism would you use against crypto currency theft/fraud? Would the blockchain public ledger be enough to dissuade all that?
When's the China bubble gonna pop?
There are people RIGHT NOW who are genuinely afraid of China's economic development. Imagine how many more ghost cities like this one there are. At the very least, exploring China's vast territory feels like an expedition to a foreign galaxy.
fringe/ancap spiritual community
Im making a fringe/spiritual ancap community. Because I have already made a thread on fringe.
I will mostly reply to questions from there.
You dont need to pay to join, you only need to send me a application form. Most questions have already been answered on fringe.
Also could somebody photoshop a anarcho spiritual flag, like ancap flag but with the flower of life in the middle, because thats explains what my community is basically.
Any likelihood for a serious libertarian movement to start up in the UK? The state of free speech in this country is worrying as is the general PC culture and attitude towards private firearms ownership.
UKIP are a complete joke nowadays and the Libertarian Party are pussified on issues like the NHS and going nowhere fast. I think the Arm Britain campaign has potential and I'd also like to see Godfrey Bloom being more prominent in British politics.
People don't want and don't deserve freedom anyway, so what is the best and most realistic course of action to free our societies as much as possible?
Look, I'm all for imagining utopia and perfect things, I'm all for compare freedom cocks, but we're losing freedom everyday in all the west. I will settle for more freedom than we have today, but what could be done?
How do we get a non authritarian british goverment in power/elected
I wish other people in my country would wake up to this authoritarian mess we have in the UK.
1.We could turn UKIP into a libertarian party and get farage to become leader again
2.We start using VPN's and TOR to spread our message while avoiding censorship
3.Talk about shitty things such as crack downs on free speech and the lack of gun rights in the UK
4.Petition your local council to remove CCTV cameras and to respect personal liberty
5.Write to MP's about it and ask others to do the same
6.You could just emigrate to a country that respects personal liberty
Does /liberty/ have any thoughts on this matter
my friends told me they would rather like drugs to be legal and taxed because then they would have certainity that drugs are of ok quality as opposed to nowaday situation when you cannot get legit information about quality of drugs (unless you buy in TOR)
what should i have replied?
Is the alt-right and the significant amount of libertarians who've "converted" to ethno-centric identitarianism and even in some cases national socialism part of a psyop? I definitely agree with the vast majority (if not all) of what Hoppeans and race realist libertarians advocate but a significant number of ex-libertarians seem to have shifted to support outright statism.
"Why does socialism dissolve into state-capitalism?"
This is going to be a long post and I'm responding here to avoid getting into an argument with Stalinists.
In the first place I'll say that this is a trick question. None of the 20th century states at any point had socialism. Socialism is a qualitative break from capitalism in which the basic relationships and functioning of society are transformed completely. Yes, I know that many people claim that the USSR was socialist or that China is socialist or whatever. They aren't. They were state-capitalist from the beginning. In the beginning the leadeing Bolsheviks knew that socialism couldn't be attained in the former Russian Empire. It didn't meet the necessary criteria. When Stalin assumed leadership of the USSR he swept these arguments under the rug and anyone who disagreed either disappeared or was killed.
Marx & Engels imagined socialism as being possible only due to the conditions that had developed in Western Europe and Germany - industrial economics, democratic politics, and a high level of cultural development and literacy. And the socialist parties were extremely large in Western Europe. By the end of Engels' life he was writing about how German democratic politics was allowing the socialist movement to grow, legally, far larger than any other political faction.
The irony of world history turns everything upside down. We, the "revolutionaries," the "rebels"—we are thriving far better on legal methods than on illegal methods and revolt. The parties of order, as they call themselves, are perishing under the legal conditions created by themselves. They cry despairingly with Odilon Barrot: la légalité notes tue, legality is the death of us; whereas we, under this legality, get firm muscles and rosy cheeks and look like eternal life.
But it was clear to Engels by the 1890s that a socialist revolution would require the participation of large masses of the population and not simply a small conspiratorial group:
The time of surprise attacks, of revolutions carried through by small conscious minorities at the head of unconscious masses, is past. Where it is a question of a complete transformation of the social organization, the masses themselves must also be in it, must themselves already have grasped what is at stake, what they are going in for [with body and soul]. The history of the last fifty years has taught us that. But in order that the masses may understand what is to be done, long, persistent work is required, and it is just this work which we are now pursuing, and with a success which drives the enemy to despair.
And yet, the first revolution led by Communists to succeed and maintain itself happened in the Russian Empire - a state still largely undeveloped by industrial capitalism, lacking traditions of legal democratic politics, and having a population that was majority illiterate. This was not what anyone anticipated. No one believed that socialism could be built in such backward conditions. Lenin commented in 1918,
History has now placed us in an extraordinarily difficult position; in the midst of organisational work of unparalleled difficulty we shall have to experience a number of painful defeats. Regarded from the world-historical point of view, there would doubtlessly be no hope of the ultimate victory of our revolution if it were to remain alone, if there were no revolutionary movements in other countries.
I repeat, our salvation from all these difficulties is an all Europe revolution.
At all events, under all conceivable circumstances, if the German revolution does not come, we are doomed.
Right Wing United
Right Wing United (RWU), is an organization dedicated to ensuring the everlasting survival of the West and its core values. Our world has been terrorized by corrupt politicians and people in power, Islam and degeneracy. People in the West are no longer safe. We have abandoned our ancestors and our cultures for lives filled with a toxic degeneracy, one that spreads the globe. In an attempt to return the West to its former glory, RWU has been formed. We strive to create an organization that is friendly and welcoming to all people of right wing beliefs and ideals. After alll, we must band together because this conquest is bigger than ourselves.
Dow Rises Despite Trade War
What's the impact of trade barriers in 2018? Does the market just work around the tariffs due to modern logistics, and all the talk of collapsing industries is just media hysterics? The communists are expecting everything to fall apart on their board.
Looks like we lost /ourguy/.
Why does this new guy care about women and diversity so much?
Does anyone care? Go run a bake sale for breast cancer, dude.
Disclaimer: I still think he's better than the others. Looking at some of his past decisions, he may be the new /ourguy/. I think the media may be spinning the "women and diversity" angle based on a single hearing about an foreigner getting an antibabypillen. Leave it up to 24-hour news cycle journalists to read. It could also just be how liberals talk to other liberals in liberal-language.
TL;DR the liberal media angers me
"Intellectual property" breaks markets and ruins capitalism.
Free market resource production is supposed to tend toward a commodity equilibrium where everyone is putting rutabagas onto the market and competing on price results in efficient rutabaga pricing. Instead, you have twelve million different retards trying to sell Maxturbago Brand POWER RUTABAGA cups with Vitamin C compatible with the Maxturbago Juice Fuzion Juice System and it just results in mass retardation and confusion.
Political parties ultimately contribute to what's wrong with democracy, but they are good for garnering publicity. Since the Libertarian Party recently cucked itself into oblivion, what would you name your new party, if you had one? If you say soy party I'll fucking kill you
Questions For /liberty/
Is Ancapistan compatible with white identity and a white ethno state? I only ask as most Ancaps/Libertarians are either open borders proponents or only believe in private property lines. To me at least it would make sense for Ancaps and Libertarians be for white identity, as almost every Ancap and Libertarian is white. Whether or not this because of IQ differences, enviroment, or both it doesn't matter. How can Ancapistan be kept white with a small government or none at all? While it's true our governments are in charge of immigration policy and border security, and they're doing a terrible job at it. However, this would be ignoring corporations interest in flooding the labor market and depressing wages.
Also if Communism is against human nature, wouldn't Anarchism be against human nature? According to Aristotle, man is a political animal and it's not hard to see why. Since the dawn of cavemen, there have been leaders and followers. How can thousands of years of governments be thrown away, when men desire to rule and be ruled?
The necessity of the state in a libertarian society?
So I've been reading Menger's lectures to the Crown Prince of Austria (pretty good crash course in economics, also gives historical context for that era) and he rises a few crucial points in the function of the state (lecture VII, starts at page 121). The gist is that the actions of one person due to shortsighted economic interest cause irreparable damage to others; cutting forests and causing flooding in the lower lands. But the thing is, it's not the action itself that caused damage (e.g. like a theft) but the result thereof.
Does the NAP apply here? Does it cover indirect damage that could otherwise be preventable? Because if we're going by the logic that is proposed by some libertarians - that the mere threat of damage like that of someone considering Communism is worthy of being justifiably expunged - then shouldn't the potentiality of such danger call for the arrest of the private property owner, as in, if he began just talking or suggesting doing it, or even begun but took down only one tree?
If the NAP is extendable, some ancaps may claim that if he caused damage he will be sued and other property owners will abstain from such actions in the future. But it will be irreparable damage, it could erase the livelihood of an entire population. Wouldn't in that case it'd be wiser to make preventative measures, like some laws under the threat of force like a government? Also from the text it is clear that it wasn't a one time happenstance, but recorded several times, so it's unlikely that after that one time it happens property owners would learn their lesson.
Please spare me that Menger had a conflict of interests when teaching, it is quite obvious he isn't an ancap and would support some form of government anyway.
Other than that, I'd like to know what exactly is the deal breaker for libertarians about anarcho-capitalism? What is the exact issue with it or why do you think it's utopian?
What do you think about Lenin's analysis of crony capitalism (imperialism)?
>Economically, the main thing in this process is the displacement of capitalist free competition by capitalist monopoly. Free competition is the basic feature of capitalism, and of commodity production generally; monopoly is the exact opposite of free competition, but we have seen the latter being transformed into monopoly before our eyes, creating large-scale industry and forcing out small industry, replacing large-scale by still larger-scale industry, and carrying concentration of production and capital to the point where out of it has grown and is growing monopoly: cartels, syndicates and trusts, and merging with them, the capital of a dozen or so banks, which manipulate thousands of millions. At the same time the monopolies, which have grown out of free competition, do not eliminate the latter, but exist above it and alongside it, and thereby give rise to a number of very acute, intense antagonisms, frictions and conflicts. Monopoly is the transition from capitalism to a higher system.
How do you beat an insurgency?
With the Syrian army wrecking ISIS in Yarmouk recently, it made me think.. how exactly do you beat terrorists that:
>Hide in civilian buildings, hospitals, schools, holy places..
>Dig and entrench themselves
>Build extensive tunnel networks
>If a house gets shelled, just retreat to another one
without completely bombing civilian infrastructure? Surely there has to be a way to beat insurgents/terrorists without turning every battle into Stalingrad.
Do you even
watch the Ron Paul Liberty Report? I feel like most people don't know about his youtube channel.
In other news, vault-co is ded. RIP golden baby.
>surely there's some way to form an actually moral government
>but forcing someone to pay for a government is immoral when they don't utilize any government services
>then just make it so people can choose not to pay taxes and receive no government services
>but now the government isn't even a government, just another private service
>surely there's some way to form an actually moral government
I've been stuck like this for a while. My main concern is that with no government, children abused or abandoned by their parents are stuck relying on the kindness of strangers. I know the government is ineffective by nature, but surely there's something that can be done?
Can you call yourself a Libertarian while still seeing that might invariably makes right more often than not?
I take issue with the concept of inalienability. Let us take the right to free speech as an example. Most liberally minded folks, including the founding fathers, regard this as an inalienable right - a right that cannot be gifted or taken away, a right that is with you from birth, from which you cannot be separated without first losing yourself.
However, as we have seen, the right to free speech can easily be constrained or otherwise dissolved entirely by a sufficiently advanced state. Advocates of the idea of the “inalienable right” counter this by stating that, while a right may be prevented from being put into practice, you still retain that right in yourself. You still have a right to free speech because free speech springs from freedom of expression, which is apparently a vital part of what it means to be human; you may be prevented from using the right to expression, but, so long as you remain human, you retain the right in itself?
But can you really claim to have a right if you are unable to uphold them? Rights only have meaning if you are able to put them into practice. The concept of free speech may exist in abstract, but in order to have a right to free speech, you need to exercise that right, because rights only exist as an exercise, which necessitates some degree of might.
This leads me on to a secondary problem I have with the distinction between negative and positive rights. Negative rights are supposedly inalienable because they exist in the absence of activity, while positive rights require protection to be real because they rely on action. Free speech is considered a negative right because it is the right of the individual NOT to have what they say be inhibited or punished in a legal context. The right to police protection is considered a positive right because it requires individuals separate from yourself to get up off their asses and actively start providing you with security. But is this not a question of semantics? All rights, whether negative or positive, rely to some degree upon the duty the individual feels to bring them to fruition - duty is an inherently protective practice that sees the individual take on responsibility in order to vouch for the thing itself - all rights therefore rely on the activity of protection to bring them about. Might is the only real eternal, the only principle that is truly inviolable.
How would environment be protected in AnCapistan?
What would stop companies from destroying environment for easier profit? Of course not ever company will be like that but for environment to be destroyed in some area you don't really need many companies, even one can be enough.
Also how would issue of animal abuse be solved? Most of people would not abuse animals obviously, but what about that little amount of fuckers doing it? How do we prevent that?
How come ancaps everywhere on the internet are always angry retards? It feels like they are only ancaps to upset people with their retarded opinions. At least the ancaps here believe in something and don't just repeat empty phrases until in a bad moment they admit that they just want to kill everyone who disagrees with it but "capitalismally" which means they get to retain the moral high ground in their warped sense of justice.
why does (((USA))) do it? first creating isis and causing influx of rapefugees to europe and now this
Does Trump Tariffs Doe
Economists gtf in here. What do you think is going to happen because of the Trump tariffs? If I understand the balance of payments (which I do not), then if the U.S. imports less from a country either:
- less USD outflows, hurting reserve currency status.
- less treasuries are bought, increasing interest rates and the deficit due to increasing payments on the debt.
- there is less asset purchasing by foreigners, aka less FDI.
What do you think will happen?
Universal Basic Income
I'm interested in the concept of a UBI as a sustainable alternative to the present welfare state and a possible tool for ameliorating the effects of machines replacing humans in intellectual and creative fields. I'm not able to find very much on the subject from right-wing or libertarian perspectives, however with the exceptions of Charles Murray thinking it's the best that can be done next to killing social programs altogether and Friedrich Hayek's persistent support of the concept. Most UBI advocates seem to be totally against that idea and want a free no restrictions welfare payout added onto all of the existing social programs with no reduction or reform of the safety net whatsoever.
Whenever it gets brought up in mainstream venues for discussion, the right-wing dismissal tends towards revulsion with anything approximate of the extant welfare state. They think of it as their hard-earned tax dollars being stolen and redistributed from them so that lazy manbabies can stay at home eating Cheetos, playing video games, and refusing to get a job well into their 30s. While I'm sure some enabling parents would allow their parasitic offspring to use their UBI as free play money for more NEET crap, wouldn't it be more likely that they'd have a better excuse to finally kick them out?
I don't believe it's appreciated how much a plausible UBI would actually total. It would most likely be just enough to stop a person from dying of starvation or exposure from not holding down a full-time job. The incentive to work would still exist for anybody who wanted anything approaching the luxuries and met wants of modern developed nation society, although I suppose some religious ascetics would be cool with living on rice and beans in a shitty apartment and praying on their beanbag chair all day.
The other problem I see is that on one hand people generally know better how to deal with their money than unelected 3rd party decision makers, but on the other hand I cynically expect various types of niggers to blow through their UBI on stupid shit during the 1st week and then fall prey to leftist demagoguery about the need to bolster or expand the program back into something indistinguishable from the present welfare state.
is she right /liberty/?
if assimilation is not sustained and communities withdraw into themselves, liberty becomes threatened due to the rise of seccessionism, ethnic / religious conflict and civil war. hence, to ensure freedom government must restrict it in some cases
/leftypol/ on /liberty/ in a nutshell
Just wanted to remind everyone that the CIA is Capitalism.
Venezuela is Capitalist country. They even have private property!
Sweden is a social Democracy, and not Capitalist at all.
The NAP is literal autism (embed related).
Greece's economic troubles were because of austerity.
You think that if children agree to have sex that it's ethically O.K..
The U.S. had the greatest growth during the 50's because we had a more progressive tax structure.
And you're all a bunch of giant hypocrites for being O.K. with a corporate monopoly, but then when it's the government it's suddenly not O.K.
ITT, post more arguments that you're sick of hearing repeated over and over again.
I've finally given up on /pol/.
The support for the obviously mentally ill Patrick Little is too much for me. I can't comprehend how intellectually stunted someone must be to legitimately think going out on the street and harassing random Jews is going to sway popular opinion in your favour. Then the guy wins 1.4% of the vote and claims he would have won if not for voter fraud.
This is so obviously insane yet any criticism is immediately shut down by 20 fags spamming "shill". It's over and it's done. These mindless retards deserves nothing but mockery.
Athens: Free Speech and Sargon of Akkad: Make /liberty/ Great Again Edition
We the People of Athens, in Order to form a more perfect /liberty/, establish Free Speech, insure domestic Greatness, provide for the common Mansplainer, promote the general Privilege, and secure the Blessings of Sargon to ourselves and our Memes, do ordain and establish this Thread for the Discord Server of Athens.
In 'Gon We Trust
Can we get rid of the communist flag, /leftypol/ flag, social democrat flag, ancom flag, and any other flag that's not associated with libertarianism? These basically act as an incentive for lefty shitposters to avatarfag and LARP as contrarian 'revolutionaries'; the option to mark themselves and advertise their differing opinion is a way for them to bait others into replying. I believe this measure would serve to greatly reduce the number of "muh roads" and "lol ancap is feudalism" posts shitting up the board without actually banning the expression of different opinions, which the BO appears to be against.
Could this possibly work?
This system would have mix of private and collective ownership.
It is based on local communities.
We have a community (village, small town, neighborhood i.e.).
In that community everything that benefits all residents (schools, roads, hospitals) will be funded collectively, with each member paying his part.
Other things, like shops and companies, (basically stuff that is for profit) is in private ownership.
Out-of-community roads, like roads between cities, will be maintained by private companies paid by communities that benefit from the road.
If someone doesn't want to pay for collective services they can turn to private services, if they are available.
This is anarchist scenario.
If you have questions, ask, if you have something to add, see some loopholes, fallacies or just think that this can't work post it in reply.
I'm new to all this and I'm just testing theories.
porn files deleted
So you've deleted some of my porn files. As I posted in this forum before, they weren't fetishisc, or they're so popular as such.
Porn forums are 3 clicks away, but so is /pol/ and its other variants.
Okay, I get it.
No nudie pics—I suppose you have a reputation you want to uphold; but swastikas, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTs, et al pics are okay.
After all, it's in the spirit of free speech.
and I was beginning to take a liking to this place.
It seems that /liberty/ is a sort of smaller version of /pol/
I guess I'll have to look further while cutting down on my posting here.
Until I post again—which might be days, perhaps a few weeks—fare thee well.
Is increasing urbanization one of the underlying reasons for the loss of liberty in general? Young people seek out areas with ridiculously high costs of living, high population densities, poor living conditions, stressful day-to-day environments, regulatory enforcement at a moment's notice, and government institutions around every corner?
Capitalists without Adjectives
Is there an equivalent of "Anarchists without Adjectives" only for capitalism? Capitalism has brought extraordinary wealth for the vast majority of people, gets shat on by almost every living person alive, and just keeps turning the other cheek and silently continuing to work–dude needs a break. I don't necessarily want anarchism, voluntaryism, a society-wide NAP ethical code, etc.. I just want more commerce. Can we at least find some agreement there?
What these people don't get is that a strong corporation/group of corporations running society would function no different than a government. Despite what egalitarian utopians like libtards and commies want to think, hierarchy is a inherent part of nature, and humanity. A government taxing its citizens is no different to a corporation demanding rent for living on there land, which is also no different to a tribal chieftain and his sons demanding you contribute to the tribe, or a gang demanding protection money. These are all forms of ruler ship that demand that you contribute to take part in society. Really what difference does rent and protection money have compared to taxes other than legitimacy? The only difference is the scale of the hierarchy and taxation. Its our duty as Fascists to install a honest system. There will always be a ruling class that controls the vast majority of people in a society. We as Fascists must make sure that the new ruling class is a just one, that looks out for the interests of OUR people, and not the interests of their bank account, or foreigners. Inter class hatred must be ended, all classes are important to society. The King and his men wouldn't be able to eat without the peasant, and yet the peasant wouldn't be able to survive without the kings protection. Its not exploitation, its a natural mutually beneficial relationship.
Adittionally, everything is communism to ancaps/lolbergs. And to ancaps and libertarians there's no difference between communism and fascism. Basically to a libertarian or ancap, any time the government does something they'll call it communism or fascism depending on the mood they're in that day.
Q! I hunger and thirst everyday for your posts. In this cultural desert where all is fake and vain and vicious, I understand patience and all that; and that the inner life of the individual is the soil of freedom and strength. But, for God's sake man, your spells of silence just don't make my day as full as it can be.