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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

Librivox
https://librivox.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

iTunesU
Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Welcome to Liberty!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime.

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Group identities

People clearly take energy and pride from identities that are superior to the merely personal and human. In fact ethnic and national pride correlates positively with mental health, despite allegations about schizophrenic Jew-haters. No wonder the far right attracts so much enthusiasm, despite an incredibly hostile climate from the elites. Attacks on pride and solidarity feel bad because they actually make us unwell.

The state plays an important role in protecting and cultivating group identities. The question is- how far would they be able to survive and flourish in a libertarian society without government borders, public education, nation states themselves to be loyal to, etc?

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it is embarrassing but deep in my heart i fear that in ancap 99% of ppl will chose not to protect insects and amphibians and reptiles and many of them will go extinct outside private wildlife sanctuaries funded by wildlife enthusiasts like me

normies do not care about frogs or bugs or lizards yet i value these superficially irrelevant animals

i hope in ancap we will have many private wildlife sanctuaries but in order to achieve it wildlife enthusiasts would have to convince normies to give money into wildlife protection but normies are interested only in exploatation of wildlife- hunting, fishing, buying pets

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Besides rejecting the messiah, find a flaw.

If he was a Christian he would be perfect.

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Leftypol Contradictions

How can leftypol claim exploitation is immoral while claiming morality is a spook?

How can leftypol claim to be against objectivity while believing in an objective theory of value?

How can leftypol believe that property rights are spooks but support personal property right? Is there really a distinction between private property and personal property?

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Charlottesville Rally

NEETSOCs and Commie faggots clashing in the streets in Charlottesville. Police not getting involved unless they can deem it an "unlawful rally" resulting in both sides completely dispersing.

Just two violent ideologies that want to genocide people interacting. Nothing to see here, but let's have a thread before some /pol/ or /leftypol/ user shits up the board about it.

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How would private borders for communities/covens/societies/nations work in Anarcho-Capitalism?

How would one know where the borders of one nation ends and the ones of another begins?

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this board is literally KiA/Sargon of Akkad incarnate

With a dash of imageboard flavor

Prove me wrong faggots

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Beta test of political chat - taking suggestions also

Need liberty-oriented audience for political-pairing

URL: http://poldare.com

Copypasta from /pol/ and /leftypol/:

How it works:

All 14 positions are currently divided into 4 camps hostile to each other to the point a discussion can be had. I would recommend LARPing for a start if your queue is more than a minute since potential disbalance could occur. Once you get into a chat, it's pretty similar to omegle. 2 escapes to cancel a chat, 3 to return to "home". What the "A" button does I will let you figure out for yourself (see second webm).

This part is for /tech/:

I do not recommend using it on small-resolution smartphones because I have not optimized the website for it. Larger tablets work fine. It is using shared hosting so host could bottleneck me if too many users connect, but the whole thing ought not to be too CPU-intensive for them. I do not at this point store messages - they are deleted as soon as they are read in order to keep tables small (unless in certain situations, such as other person disconnecting before the server detects it etc. - everything older than 30mins is purged manually). The only thing stored is the text from point of agreement (A button in chat, you'll figure out from second webm). I do not log nor check IPs in any way but I might implement it in the future for purposes of banning people (if that even shows to be necessary, and judging by omegle it's possible that it won't). VPNs and proxies work fine. If you are using uMatrix/noScript jquery and website's javascript is required in order to communicate with the server.

The future:

If you generally like it, I will make a simle app that optimizes the website for android and put it out there to reach more mainstream political positions. If it ever gets popular to the point where it could sustain itself, I'll get a dedicated server for it and introduce websockets which would introduce "the other user is typing" and instant responses (overall, smoother experience). I will also add the news sections, elaborations on positions etc. If you have any questions, do ask.

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actual moderation?

sorry about the meta thread, as I am typing this I realize I should probably just hijack a shitposting thread but whatever

now I know a lot of us constantly ask for better moderation in regards to shitposts because it is lacking in some peoples eyes, but that very lack of moderation left me surprised when I actually saw some deleted posts just now

I probably read those shitposts days ago but I cannot for the life of me remember what they were about, they sorta all blend together in my memory, so what were they about?

also general meta thread so that my thread isnt useless, come here to complain about or praise the moderation I guess.

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/srz/

>>>/srz/ is a board about protecting free speech by way of user-enabled action throughout 8chan and the net. if you like free speech, be sure to stop by!

I figured I might advertise here since the board has a non-authoritarian bent and people here might appreciate it. We're a tiny board, but we're looking to get bigger!

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 アメリカ人には人権への尊重といったものがない 

 

「内心の自由」は、人権の中でも最も重要なもののひとつである。

 

「人身の自由」には刑罰における自由刑 (懲役や禁錮など) などによる例外はあるが、自由かつ民主的な社会では「内心の自由」には例外がない。

 

中国には国家に都合のよい思想を強制するような刑罰 (「思想教育・矯正」などといわれるもの) があり、中国は「内心の自由」を否定している。

 

これが、中国が人権を著しく蹂躙していると非難されてきた理由の大きなひとつである。

  

最近のアメリカでの「人種差別反対」を唱える示威行動には、他者 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) に対し、白人至上主義という主義を内心にあることをあからさまに排撃するところがある。

 

それは、他者の人権への尊重・配慮といったものの欠如を如実に表している。

 

 

白人至上主義者であろうとも、それに基ずく集会は、「集会の自由」で守られるべきものである。

 

「集会の自由」も人権の一つである。

 

最近のアメリカでの「人種差別反対」を唱える示威行動には、他者 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) に対し、白人至上主義者の集会をあからさまに排撃するところがある。

 

それは、他者の人権への尊重・配慮といったものの欠如を如実に表している。

 

 

白人至上主義者であろうとも、それに基ずく結社は、「結社の自由」で守られるべきものである。

 

「結社の自由」も人権の一つである。

 

最近のアメリカでの「人種差別反対」を唱える示威行動には、他者 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) に対し、白人至上主義者の結社をあからさまに排撃するところがある。

 

それは、他者の人権への尊重・配慮といったものの欠如を如実に表している。

 

 

「差別」とは、「思想・信条」ではなく、「行為」である。

 

「平等」も人権の一つである。

 

これのためなどと言って他者の人権を侵害するような行為を為すのは、自由かつ民主的な社会の破壊でしかない。

 

  

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Confederate statues

How does /liberty/ feel about them?

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Why is the GOP throwing the fight?

I completely do not understand why the GOP isn't fighting back against all this bullshit, because they are currently at their strongest since the end of the Civil War. Consider: If the Democrats win their best possible outcome in 2018—that's winning every state that Hillary won AND winning every state where Hillary lost within 3 percentage points–they lose five senate seats.

That bears repeating: If Democrats win every blue and every purple state in the midterms, they still face a net LOSS of five senators.

If the GOP wins just two more state legislature majorities they could amend the Constitution without a single Democratic vote.

The average age of the House Republican leadership is 47. The average age of the House Democratic leadership is 76. That means in about 10 years, everyone who would've been in Hillary Clinton's cabinet will be dead, and all the Republicans will be in the prime of their careers. It's possible that Donald Trump could have three additional Supreme Court appointments before the end of his first term.

The Democrats spent the entire last election shrieking that Trump was a white supremacist and calling his supporters ebil nazis, and lost. Their response? To double down on this idiocy. Who are they trying to *win over* with this statue crusade? It appeals to no one but their rapidly shrinking base of psychopaths who are incapable of presenting themselves in a way that doesn't appear like a creepy fucking cult.

So, having said all that, what's the fucking deal? Why are they just sitting there and letting this happen?

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 真実 

 

米国は自らを自由・平等の国というが、それは全くの偽りだ。

 

ヴァージニア州での、南北戦争時の南軍将軍の銅像に関しての「保全すべき」派 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) と「撤去すべき」派 (多くは反白人至上主義者であると思われる) の衝突で、トランプは珍しく双方を平等に扱ったが、米国社会の多くがそれに不満を表明している。

 

ヴァージニア州知事にいたっては、白人至上主義団体の者らに対し、「米国にいらないから、出ていけ」といった人権侵害も甚だしい言動を自慢げにする始末だ。

 

米国には「内心の自由」がない。

 

米国人の多くには、「主義(思想など内心にあるもの)」と「主張(他者に向けて表現されたもの)」の区別がつけられない。

 

米国には「集会・結社の自由」がない。

 

米国人の多くは、特定の思想・信条を持つ者らの集会を認めないのを、当然だと思っている。

 

米国には「平等」や「公正さ」といったものが著しく欠如している。

 

ちょっと前のロス・アンジェルスの暴動に対してもそうだったが、「人種差別反対」と唱えていれば、多少の乱暴や狼藉が許されてしまう。

 

米国で「反人種主義」を唱えて運動している者らは、「人種」ではなく、米国籍であるという「国籍」、ないし米国で暮らしているという「居所」で、他国の人に大きな面をして、他国の人を差別的に扱いたがっているだけだ。

 

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Tor General

General thread for Onion Relay folks.

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DUDE

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new clip from kelthuz

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Will an anarchist society have private sector imperialism- funded by stock markets, waging war through mercenaries, and conquering poorly armed native tribes?

The prospect of qt 14 year old war brides might enable us to recruit a lot of people to our cause

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are stereotypes just generalisations? so are they generally more true than untrue?

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what do you think about

>The Open Society and Its Enemies

??

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Before you go: "yet another pedo thread go fuck yourself", Consider the following:

>It's legal to own and distribute videos of people being tortured and killed(including kids) but it's illegal to own pictures of naked little girls making sexy poses.

>it's legal to cut away a part of newborn's penis but it's illegal to give a blowjob to a 15yo boy

>It's legal for 16yos to fuck each other(in some states) but they can be arrested if they record themselves.

>It's legal for 16yo to enlist to the military(potentially getting sent to where they can be killed) but illegal for them to be recorded furing sex.

>it's legal to do porn in general but prostitution is illegal.

Thoughts on this? How do we change it?

(If you don't agree debate me.)

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hold me /liberty/

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So libertarians and other small government enthusiasts, why aren't you going all the way to anarcho-capitalism?

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I've been wondering, do you guys have any empirical evidence to back up the claims to your ideology? Are markets not freer now in not just the rest of the world, but in places like America too, than they were nearly a century ago? If so, then why have real wages been stagnant, while labor, and business de-regulations continue to be doled out.

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Fascism

Communism

America beat both before. We'll do it again!

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The Pholosopher

Damn! This woman really makes me to give her bitcoins in exchange for fucking her.

What does /liberty/ think about the pholosopher ?

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Austria vs Chicago

Are they very much the same on the Macro level while only disagreeing on the Micro level? I enjoy Friedman and Sowell but haven't yet checked out the Austrian school.

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Why do young people and especially millenials seem so attracted to communism/socialism? It seems like everyone has his edgy teenager phase where he thinks he has the world figured out.

Sheltered leftists that had everything handed to them, college kids who have not experienced the real world yet, or some punk who has never worked in his entire life. Why are all these retards attracted to communism like a moth to a flame? Is it because it appeals to their FEELINGS more than logic or facts?

It "sounds" good but they stop at the theory part. It's the evil faceless corporate white man swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck that's keeping us "The People(tm)" down.

It's like they are completely oblivious to the horrors of socialism and how it has killed millions of people. Every socialist country ends up in failure or total collapse, people starving and eating cats/pidgeons to survive.

How do they fail such basic historic education?

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>>>/liberty/

More like

>>>/slavery/

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How do you stop the state with Agorism if it KNOWS you're doing it?

They can just underpay the important programs instead of the less-important ones, boom, we go back to the original problem of the free market not being able to fix the problem fast enough. Hell, maybe the money that was going to police would start going towards cracking private companies to prevent it form happening.

To promote agorism you have to share the tactics with people, and if you have to share tax evasion, the letter soup companies will be on it.

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"Anarcho"-capitalism is not real anarchism

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Random Dump

All of these should be /liberty/-related, though.

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Capitalism and Culture

Despite that you're derided as not actual anarchists or at best anti-statists, you (including non-ancaps here) share a similar notion with the rest of them in regards to society. Unlike Marxists that draw directly from the material conditions that influence society in an ever progressing dialectic, anarchists of many strides hope for a state of affairs to be established until it is overturned - that is, not outdone by its own mechanization, but voluntarily or subversively changed. To paraphrase ancap anon when asked how will they maintain an anarcho-capitalist society: "If the people decide to organize differently, they are free to". It seems to me that people here treat culture as a separate medium of society, generally unrelated to economics. In short, culture is born out of the ideas sown and presented in society. Even shorter - idealism.

While I don't have any particular problem with that even if you disagree with my conclusion since I don't come here to berate you, I'm still curious about your take on culture. There is this notion of "Cultural Marxism" (the "subversive" change I noted above) which I'm sure many on this board subscribe to; our current "degenerate" state is due to Marxist subversion (I would be very grateful if you could point me where Adorno wrote about huwhite genocide or Marcuse about twerking), but have you ever considered that it is the result capitalism's low bar to capitalize on the most basic and immediate appeals while hopping on popular trends? Do you really think it would have been any different in your ideal society or even the current one without "degeneracy"? Is it really that far-fetched to assume advertisement would eventually spiral to provocative sex appeal or that the porn industry wouldn't exist without (((them))) as some seem to believe?

I know, I know, "physical removal lol!" - but doesn't capitalism inherently strive for laissez faire which ultimately leads to globalization and mingling with other cultures, ideas and so forth? Don't you want the cheapest prices by ordering wood from Brazil in large quantities instead of buying it per plank from the local woodsman? How do you prevent a Saudi oil magnate from buying a piece of land in the center of town plus its streets to build a mosque and spread his religion?

On top of that, why do you blame "Cultural Marxism" for this when Marxism/Communism (according to you) existed in the USSR, and yet the post-USSR states are the most conservative of Europe and the entire Western world. Gender roles were reinforced there and fags were imprisoned while you had gay pride parades and feminism. So Communism is both "millions-billions-trillions of deaths" and everything that existed in the USSR, and yet in the same time Communism is cultural developments that happened in the West allegedly precipitated (suspiciously I haven't seen any evidence by any of the retards spouting this meme) by Marxist intellectuals that were against the USSR, so which is the real Communism/Marxism? Is it what happened in the USSR or your guldural margism boogeyman?

So in conclusion, how do you see culture develop in your capitalism society? How would you remedy the current one if you see any issue with it? What did ancaps/capitalist thinkers write about culture, if ever? What do you think of serialism?

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MUH ROADS

>One savvy investor has bought up a whole street in the city's most exclusive neighborhood for a mere $90,000.

>It turns out the homeowners association for Presidio Terrace failed to pay a $14-a-year property tax, something that owners of all 181 private streets in San Francisco must do, the Chronicle reported.

>So the city's tax office put the property up for sale at the cost of $994 in an online auction to regain unpaid back taxes, penalties and interest. The couple eventually won the street with a $90,100 bid in an April 2015 auction.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/san-francisco-street-sells-90k-225021750.html

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Mob question

so how are you libertines planning to deal with mafia?

Cosa Nostra will fuck you up and you will be forced to pay taxes to them

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anarcho capitalism in effect: a primer

by the same guy who made the "What libertarian are you" flowchart, that being me

how'd i do?

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If someone is going to jump off the roof of a tall building, and I restrain him, am I breaching the NAP?

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fuck

why is antropology so sjw pc cucked?

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The Communist Exploitation Theory

You know i had an interesting dialogue with a couple of communist on /leftpol/. I was fully aware of the exploitation theory behind the communist mindset, but i didn't know why I disagreed with it ( to a detailed extent)

And if you don't know what that is its pretty much when the Employer (bousigues) pays his employee less then the value of his labour that he produced.

Example:

Bob works for Frank

Bob makes phones

Frank pays Bob $3 dollars for the phones

Frank sells the phones for 5 dollar.

Conclusion: Frank has exploited Bob because Bob didn't get the full value of his labour. That being $2 dollar which is workers surplus.

I had the biggest problem with this conclusion and I didn't know why?

Until I struck me.

There was never a surplus to begin with. Only when the product is stold does the worker claim there is a surplus. And if the product didn't sell that product, then Bob didn't get cheated out, he actually gain something.

Surplus is created by the Seller not the Producer. And since the Seller creates the surplus, he rightfully owns it (that being the profit). Bob actually got paid for what he did, and was not exploited.

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>every other ideology is increasing, even shit ones like white nationalism

>Libtards are growing more irrelevant.

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As I am sure you are all aware, antifa and the alt right have been enjoying widespread increases in power popularity thanks to the liberal media and their penchant for sensationalization. It is of my opinion that we lucky few rest at the cusp of a new era, and possibly the dankest global conflict since world war 2. It is also of my opinion with the rise of both communism and fascism, it is now time for libertarianism to take center stage, lest we be thrown by the wayside for yet another historical cycle. It is time for the rise of alt liberty. Ayn Rand once said libertarians were just objectivists without fangs. Let's prove that bitch wrong and march in the streets.

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What type of libertarian are you? flowchart

Made this just now. Thought it'd be interesting, since I haven't seen anybody try to cover all the modern libertarian schools of thought as they are relevant now.

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What does /liberty/ think of helicopters?

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Can't tell if things are getting better or worse

https://archive.is/ykiUm

Teachers union might be the most cancerous one yet.

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what laws in the usa make you angry or sad?

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"Intellectual property" breaks markets and ruins capitalism.

Free market resource production is supposed to tend toward a commodity equilibrium where everyone is putting rutabagas onto the market and competing on price results in efficient rutabaga pricing. Instead, you have twelve million different retards trying to sell Maxturbago Brand POWER RUTABAGA cups with Vitamin C compatible with the Maxturbago Juice Fuzion Juice System and it just results in mass retardation and confusion.

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Oh no where will I LARP as a libertarian while advocating extreme authoritarianism now?

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Flag update

Can we update these flags, they look elementary as hell.

Also could a gif work?

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Anarcho-Transhumanism Thread

(Why is there no anarcho-transhumanist flag?)

It seems to me that technology is the only way to achieve true anarchism. I know a lot of anarcho-transhumanists/antechs are leftist, but honestly technology could lead to the means of production becoming robots that are cryptographically verified as belonging to you, so private property would be able to defend itself. Capitalism is an economic technology itself. I think in the future, we could all be capitalists and design shit and then use our personal robot workers to make stuff to sell to each other, in a totally mutual capitalist economy, and there would also be a lot of things people could make with 3D printers/additive manufacturing machines once they get really advanced. Sounds absurd now, but with how fast companies in China are automating shit, it's the long term trend and it seems like it's not super far off now. Some statists are starting to use this to argue for ubi or even communism, but I think the end of direct work will actually involve widespread advancement into everyone being capitalistic. Even now a lot of people work from their computers, a means of production they own.

Another thing is that with full automation welfare wouldn't be needed, because charity would become exponential (sort of, it would be limited by resources and land obviously), since as soon as you can get a human level robot and a super-advanced 3D printer, you get free income from the capital you own, and can then use that to gather resources and energy to build more robots, so everyone's living standards would shoot way up, and things would get pretty comfy.

The primary sticking block to anarcho-capitalism is that most people are too weak for it, but with technology that could change, because things would be a lot cheaper, and there would be high levels of automation, but potentially down the line due to transhumanism meaning that rugged individualism doesn't involve a massive culling of people who aren't rugged enough for it. That's the only way I can see the majority of the public eventually coming round to anarcho-capitalism and slowly abandoning statism, because most people want to be free, they are just too weak and frightened to be anything but slaves to politicians.

Obviously, wealth inequality would increase massively with transhumanism, but none of that shit matters if living standards as a whole rise massively, and the incapable are able to gain new capabilities through technology.

So, I think we'll have to wait a while until an anarchist society is likely, but in the meantime we should probably make sure that we at least push back against centralized militaristic government so that we don't get some kind of skynet scenario due to the military industrial complex. Statism would make AI more dangerous because it would centralize it and put in control of more things, leaving no counterbalancing intelligence. The libertarian party should probably promote upcoming technologies as solutions to the government problem. If you think about it, cryptocurrencies and existing (if shitty) 3D printers are just the start of that movement. That's going to be the successful way of getting libertarianism to be popular, in preparation for future technologies that make take us to anarchy.

We definitely shouldn't let commies monopolize the full automation meme, otherwise they'll be positioned politically to take over later in this Century.

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Left-libertarianism doesn't exist. Just a reminder.

Second image is much more accurate. The true political spectrum is a triangle

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Towing a car vs stealing a car

I was walking back from work today, when I saw a moving van get towed down the street. I'd assume that the towing company would claim that they have a legal right to charge money for the van's return. However, there was also probably stuff inside the van, belonging to people unaffiliated with the moving company (except as clients). This got me thinking:

Can somebody explain what differentiates stealing a car and holding it ransom vs towing a car and charging for its return? Is it the fact that the car was on private property without permission? If so, what stops people from claiming "towing rights" over anything on their property? Can I hold someone's shoes for $100 because they walked on my carpet without wiping their feet? Can I lock people in my basement until their family gives me $10,000 because they trespassed on my property? How would property rights be enforced with regards to towing in an minarchist society? Would you imagine it being different in an ancap society?

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Sorry my ignorance, but:

Is it possible to have free trade without open border?

I mean, letting people exchange their products in another country without transfer themselves in it.

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Decentralized Militant Anarchism

I am not advocating any of the following, FBI. Anything illegal in this thread is purely for theoretical discussion and thought experiments.

If the following tactics are applied on a large enough scale, they will work synergistically to crash the system.

>Welfare Scamming

>Agorism

>Destruction of Government Property

>Permaculture

>3D Printed Guns

>Memes Sowing Distrust of Authority

>Memes which inform people on how to do any of the above

If you have any more ideas to add to the list, or if you want to discuss any of the ideas in more detail, please do. That is what this thread is about.

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/anarcho/

Hey, I just claimed this dead board since n1x hadn't been using it for a few months thank god. I'm going to make it more neutral, so any input would be nice, especially from the lefty anons here, since they make up most of the userbase.

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My ego

As an anarcho-egoist I'm not a weak spirit like you other anrchofags who are too weak to think by yourself. You just can't argue with me

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You will get chipped -- Eventually

https://archive.fo/WeMPB

>“It will happen to everybody,” says Noelle Chesley, 49, associate professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. “But not this year, and not in 2018. Maybe not my generation, but certainly that of my kids.”

>Gene Munster, an investor and analyst at Loup Ventures, is an advocate for augmented reality, virtual reality and other new technologies. He thinks embedded chips in human bodies is 50 years away. “In 10 years, Facebook, Google, Apple and Tesla will not have their employees chipped,” he says. “You’ll see some extreme forward-looking tech people adopting it, but not large companies.”

Why is everything getting worse?

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Local Liberty Newspaper Thread

New issue of The Front Range Voluntaryist is out. Thoughts?

Post your local liberty newspapers/newsletters here.

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Anarchist Discord Server Invite!!

https://discord.gg/s5A26BW

Take the bread pill and join our Anarchist Discord Server with 200+ members we are very active and fun, hope to see you there!

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Anarchist Discord Server Invite

https://discord.gg/s5A26BW

Take the bread pill and join our Anarchist Discord Server with 200+ members we are very active and fun, hope to see you there!

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To what extent should a nation state and/or a government exist?

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AHAHAHAHA YOU SPOOKED NERDS WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ENFORCE SPOOKY SHIT LIKE PRIVET PROPERTY JUST TAKE WHAT YOUR EGOS WILLS YOU SPOOKED KIDS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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Google fire employee who made internal memo

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/google-fires-engineer-who-wrote-anti-diversity-memo/

>Document in question

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

They purged the wrongthinker from their bubble for his heretical thoughts.

Let's discuss!

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Muh Roads

Are the railroads of the 1800s and 1900s good example of how roads will function (or come some where close to it) in a Ancap society?

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Libertarian National Anthem

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WEST

777♥♥♥

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Thoughts on the North Korea-Trump-Conflict that's knocking at the door? Me and mamma got a bit more optimistic now that Japan agreed to shoot down any missile aimed at Guam. The Japanese are not warmongers and they don't want a war right at their doorstep. Chances are they want to deescalate the situation with this.

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/leftypol/ on the brink of mutiny

It is funny how that works.

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1819501.html

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Labor: "Ticking Time Bomb" Edition

http://archive.is/k6HvS

""Companies are running out of workers to hire to do the job or even train to do the work"

Meanwhile people are burning their diplomas. Let's give some more subsidies to education to fix it.

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/leftypol/ here,

After the revolution how would you want to be executed? I was thinking of the firing line, but you would just complain about receiving subsidized bullets.

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almond activator

Seriously, what is the difference between the libertarian left and libertarian right? A "libertarian conservative" and "libertarian liberal" government are the same thing because the non-Authoritarian philosophy is inherently free of enforcing independent ideas. One can personally be libleft or libright but a government cannot.

Also mutualism is authoritarian because people are being forced to work for each other

Thoughts?

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https://www.texasobserver.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-freest-little-city-in-texas/amp/

Looks like libertarianism can't work in real life.

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Christian Anarchism

Daily reminder that Christian "Anarchism" is not anarchism. The core of their argument is the fact that "only god can judge them and he is their sole ruler". Analogically, I could call myself an "African Anarchist" basing my ideology upon the premise that "only black people can rule me". How anarchist would that be? Replacing the social authority with divine authority and human laws with Ten Commandments is as far from anarchism as you can get.

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I've devised the world's first greatest and universally encompassing political spectrum chart ever. This blows the 4 squares or horseshoe theory out of the water with it's scope and succinctness: I present to you the Political Gondola.

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This might not be an interesting thread. But what works for me, in terms of explaining the link between welfare and single mother rates, is the idea that welfare makes it possible to be a single mother.

The idea that people were becoming single mothers in order to get benefits never took of on me, because the child is often more expensive than the benefits.

What makes sense is that the welfare state makes women able to become single mothers, and they do so because they want to have children but don't want to be married or are unable to get someone to stay with them.

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What single human being would you say has done the most damage to America?

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Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread

QTDDTOTT

I'll start:

Just realized I have friends who are low-key members of antifa in my neighborhood and antifa has labeled our local AnCap newspaper as "NeoNazi propaganda."

What do?

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Venezuela: the' It's not real Socialism but all the protestors are paid CIA drugdealers' edition.

Let's just have a thread dedicated to Venezuela and all the wonderfulness of the situation since it really only gets better and better by the day, all hail the glorious socialist revolution.

>Maduro inaugurates contentious Venezuela assembly

https://archive.is/yo72N

>40 countries protest Venezuela's new assembly amid fraud accusations

https://archive.is/RrZQx

>Delta Airlines plans to suspend all flights to Venezuela

http://archive.is/D5DD3

>Snipers being deployed in Vegas de Tariba, Táchira

https://twitter.com/AlbertoRT51/status/891708367235932160

> Venezuela arrests over political uprising

http://archive.is/j1e4v

> Maduro tightens his grips on power

http://archive.is/VnAKo

So what's your speculations /liberty/? Do you think things are going to get better? Worse? Do you think the protestors are paid? Do you think that maybe they just didn't appropriate enough businesses for the state?

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Gaining noteriety

This board is slow, but it has a lot of potential. Honestly, the /leftypol/ and /pol/ shitposts can't get much worse, so we might as well try and gain noteriety.

Should we mention this board on /lrg/? Or could we change name to /libertypol/ to get us better recognition?

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thoughts on milton friedman?

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Methodology General

This is the thread for people that want to prove that praxeology is magic or that the historical school did nothing wrong.

Picrel is an early post of mine. I remember some anon wrote a very good, constructive critique of it where he talked about Hayek, but sadly, I didn't save that.

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Physical Removal

Do you support it? To what extent? What kinds of people would you remove?

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Externalities

In a society without government intervention in the operations of businesses, how would an individual deal with negative externalities?

For example, Bob, Josh and John have their houses built by Barneys railway. Barney uses his railway to send trains back and forth from city A to city B, while passing the houses of Bob, Josh and John the trains cause excess noise that wakes their children or causes shaking which breaks or damages their commodities, yet Barney is not invading on their property, he is using the railway that is built on his property and is within his rights to do so, yet he's causing damage to the property of others.

How would Bob, Josh and John get any sort of compensation from Barney and should they get any compensation from him to begin with?

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This guy is Auguste Comte. You may or may not have heard of him, but he influenced Marx, the Italian and French school of criminology, the second republic of Brazil and many others. Before there was Marx, Comte already came up with the idea of historical determinism. He is no one less than the inventor of positivism, along with his mentor, Henri de Saint Simon. Both are children of the napoleonic regime, which was itself a direct descendant of the French Revolution.

I named Comte because he illustrates extremely well what I have in mind: To trace the ideas of all the tyrants of our age back to their roots, and create a kind of mindmap or genealogy for them. My question is who else would be up for a project like that

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NHLP strongest in Nation

Well /liberty/, what's your excuse for not moving to New Hampshire yet?

http://freekeene.com/2017/06/27/third-sitting-new-hampshire-state-rep-flips-to-libertarian-party/

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Do you like Stirner?

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Neoliberalism

>Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism) refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism. These include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society. These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.

Sorry I forgot, how is this bad? Seems pretty based to me.

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Based gym owner bans statist cucks from his gym and tells TV reporter that cops are an occupying army.

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>Comment section

I have no e-celbrity and I must sperg.

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wtf im a commie now

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Friendly reminder for argument preparedness

With everything that has gone on with /liberty/ over the last month from /leftypol/ raids, as evidenced by our unique users climbing to around 80-90, when before it was staying 40-50. I thought it was only prudent to visit them from time to time in order to eavesdrop. I came across the thread below where they are working on countering some of the arguments we made in recent threads. I imagine we will see some of these responses in the coming days and weeks. That is all, enjoy the rest of your day.

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1950067.html

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A license is not a guarantee of competency

I find the license topic to be a common concern when engaging with people on libertarian topics. Many people can grasp the idea of private initiatives replacing government ones, but yet have a hard time disbelieving that a government blessing to work somehow ensures quality. I work in healthcare so I have a license, and practically everyone else around me does as well. However, every month when my State Board newsletter arrives, I have only to turn to the last 1/2 of it to see how well a license works. Page after page of revocations, suspensions, and probations. Some of the charges had no bearing on their practice such as a DUI. You have a few drinks too many and the state says you can no longer practice your skills.

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Reposting to explain what is so uniquely awful about this:

>Subjective preferences for commodities can't be measured

Surely he's joking, right? He has to understand what prices represent, right? Not even Paul Mattick gave this poor of a criticism of the subjective theory of value.

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>this board

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QycK1I_vTxw

How the fuck can we reach people, if they believe stuff like that.

>LACK OF REGULATION

When every single year goverment grows. Doesn't matter Republican, Democrats, all over the West. Every single year they grow.

>Objectivists in the Fed

Is he fucking insane? How delusional do you have to be?

How can you have such a complete ideological tainted view of the world that you don't see that under this corporatist system Big Business WANTS the regulation, because it keeps out competition. How the fuck could you ever think there was an Objectivist? Did he really just call Greenspan and Objectivist?

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Bitcoin Fork Thread

So the culmination of two years of shit flinging is finally going to be resolved tomorrow(not really, the 2MB increase part of segwit2x hasn't been honoured). This was to be your international currency, your ticket to killing fiat for good. Of course none of that happened and it just became a heavily regulated betting bubble, but some of you here probably have it right?

So, what are your predictions? Which will you sell? Where is it going to go now? What other shitty digital coins did you get tricked into buying?

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Should I read all of these? I've never read any of them but I've got the time and I like reading.

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Hey goys, any of you play POWER?

It’s basically a political simulation game where you can run for senate, gov or president. I’m part of the Libertarian party and we need more right-libertarians to btfo the statist GOP and Democrats.

The GOP are currently the dominate party and they are primarily made up of Nu/pol/, /r/The_Donald, weebs and Natsocs. The Dems are made up of mostly ‘neoliberals’ and progressives. There is also the Democratic people’s union which is mostly commie made up of /r/socialism and /leftypol/ fags. We currently have 40 in-game members and 7 seats which is far better than the DPU which have 56 members and 1 seat.

The main fun of the game comes from plotting, scheming, and shitposting on the several discords of each party. Here is the LP discord link: https://discord.io/powerlp if you join we can also help you with picking a state and strategy.

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fuck you all you are the reason why i have only one friend irl and no gf

i could have fought with my innate egoism but no i found in internet edgy ideology that is ok with me being an asshole

now i want to change it so i am going to go to psychotherapy (government-funded)

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Statistics where?

Okay guys, anyone know where I can get statistics from? Like GDP, child mortality rate, homicide rate, grain production… anything, really. Preferably reaching far back to the beginning of the 20th century.

Of course, there won't be a book or a website with all the statistics you could ever need, but anything would be good, really. So far, picking up statistics is a choir for me. I never learned how to do it except with some criminal statistics.

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Communism was a Mistake

Reminder:

>Every single famine in the 20th century was caused by intervention in the market

>The famines with the highest death toll were all in socialist countries

>Communist and socialist regimes have killed upwards of seventy million people in democides, possibly more than a hundred million

>Every major democide can be attributed to either socialist or protosocialist ideas being put to work

>After a hundred years of trying, not a single socialist economy ever had any impressive economic achievement to show for

Free downloadable bonus content:

>France was wealthier before the French Revolution

>Russia was wealthier before the Russian Revolutions

>The most brutal and least glorious revolutions and wars of independence were always popular uprisings

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was he /ourguy/?

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sage

can we have a sage flag? and secretly make it so sage in the captcha field counts?

I want to truly sage in all fields.

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Religion Thread

>What is your denomination?

>How serious is it for you?

>Who's your biggest religious inspiration?

>How do your political and religious views work together?

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I don't know /liberty/, I have a complaint about the NAP not covering words.

Don't you realize that groups already exist that take advantage of laws(or lack thereof) regarding physical injury but not emotional injury, like the Westboro Baptist Crunch? They make money of lawsuits(And people viewing ads in their website, but that's not the point). I don't care about the whole "But if you were a real man you wouldn't care" stuff, yeah I know you don't care about dumb people or whatever but they're part of the work force, unlike people exploiting oversights in the NAP.

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were there any southern (or otherwise classical/ancient) economists that supported slavery and knew their shit?

what's some good literature on this.

I'm not a neoreactionary or anything, but I just want to understand why people justified it pre-industrialization

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Was Alejandro Sosa an an-cap?

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/leftypol/ CIA

Ancap you tubers are controlled by /leftypol/

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1938892.html#1941081

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>Tfw Keynes was a member of not one, but two homosexual death cults

Seriously. Look up the Bloomsbury Group and Cambridge Apostles. Scary shit.

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Is the mysterious merchant from Resident Evil 4 an agorist anarchist?

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newfag here.

i used to consider myself a minarchist, but since market self regulation system seem to be so efficient, i'm currently evolving into an anti-state libertarian (since i haven't read rothbard yet i don't want to call myself an ancap).

what i wanted to ask you is if it's really necessary a big-ass civil code to mantain a society. or the NAP is enough?

thanks

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Education bubble

How are you dealing with the ongoing education crisis? How devastating do you think it will be when the multiple spending bubbles pop?

t. Guy from a corrupt college that was recently bailed out by the Government. 4 years of my life thrown to waste. Everyone involved got out. One of them lives in China now.

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[Political thread rather than explicitly libertarian]

I have always seen that people in imageboards are inclined to think that civilizations can and will still rise and fall int he modern age(If they ever think about it), but I do not think its necessarily true now.

Our times are relatively different, we have "kingdosm" or nations fall, such as communist nations failing economically, nobody thinks to ransack them. Even though many people die, the concept of the nation being the same does not seem to change. I do believe things are different in (relatively) recent times, and we will not see any kingdoms rise or fall within the span of, say, 100 years? 200? Even if you argue "the feminists will destroy islands and shit", people will survive and start again in those areas, no foreign kingdom invasions except form maybe the downfallen country itself.

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Ben v Cenk: Dawn of Social Justice

Who actually won?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX6FUhbomtw

It seems as though the fans of the given speaker believes that they own.

Are there any impartial viewers who can give an honest answer?

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Cannabis company buys entire town.

Is this the return of company towns? Most likely not, but it will be interesting to see what comes of it. While it might do alright from tourists from non-cannabis legal states, I would imagine that if you lived there as a non-stoner it would get old fast.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-04/cannabis-company-just-bought-whole-california-town

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The Patent Scam

There will be a documentary about patent trolls abusing the system and stopping innovation.

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Public Sector Stories

>Going to city hall

>Getting my new passport

>Get in the queue

>Only one queue open, seven or eight persons in it

>No one is standing in the second queue, but the clerk-girl and a fat, tattooed security man are having a nice conversation

>At least two "no-phones-allowed" signs posted

>Get out my phone and make pictures

>enemyofthestate.jpg

>Get called in the second queue before everyone else

>Get served

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>I was only 9 years old

>I loved Ludwig von Mises so much, I had all the books and Mises Institute™ merchandise

>I pray to Mises every night before bed, thanking him for the Basic Economics™ I’ve been given

>"Mises is love" I say; “Mises is life”

>My dad hears me and calls me a libertarian utopist

>I know he was just jealous of my dispersed knowledge of Basic Economics™

>I called him a logical positivist

>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep

>I’m crying now, and my face hurts

>I lay in bed and it’s really cold

>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me

>It’s von Mises

>I am so happy

>He whispers into my ear “Economics is a study of human action.”

>He grabs me with his powerful economist hands and puts me down onto my hands and knees

>I’m ready

>I spread my capital markets for Mises

>He penetrates my enterpreneurial spirit

>It hurts so much but I do it for von Mises

>I can feel my allocative mechanism working as my production structure becomes more capital-intensive

>I lower my subjective time preference against his voluntary savings

>I want to please von Mises

>He roars in a mighty roar as he fills my economy with his capital

>My dad walks in

>Mises looks him straight in the eyes and says “Tu ne cede malis.”

>von Mises leaves through my window

>Mises is love. Mises is life.

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>nationalism

>not being able to exist alongside with ancap

>he isn't a nationalist ancap

shit sticky

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Private governance vs the NAP

I'm leaning towards the idea of privatizing all government functions rather than simply saying that the only law should be the NAP. The reason is that the main reason the state sucks isn't because of seat belt laws but because it's a massive tragedy of the commons and democracy just makes it worse. Meanwhile some laws are actually good, it's just questionable that the government has a just claim to implement those laws in the first place because it has a poor claim to its property. If you start by making a market in states you can start actually putting states to the test in terms of efficiency and responsibility and not just in terms of public opinion and feelz.

Some of you are going to cry CORPORATISM at this, but every single one of the things people make fun of ancap for come from the NAP being the only "law" rather than the arguments against the states moral justification.

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Liechtenstein

Let's stop shitposting for 30 whole minutes and read this article instead: https://jacobitemag.com/2017/08/04/why-liechtenstein-works-self-determination-and-market-governance/

It presents a summary of the Liechtenstein system of governance, which is a not-so-strange mix of a monarchy, parliament direct democracy, and a great amount of local governance. The sovereign, Prince Hans-Adam II, wrote The State in the Third Millenium, which advances his views on government as a service and the right to self-determination as a counter-balance to keep them competitive. The people have the right to secede, crown a new prince, or dissolve the monarchy entirely, but choose not to; the relationship between the crown and the people is strong. The princely family continues to support Austrian economics and limited governance, leaving the vast majority of decisions to be made at the local level.

I especially like this passage at the very end, as it states a lot of ideas that have been on my mind:

>Finally, let me recap with 7 recommendations for a better libertarian activist.

>Half of political progress is about semantics. I believe that we must improve the image of our movement by no longer publicly opposing the concept of democracy, but instead speaking favorably of the word, while pushing for a Misesian-Liechtenstein redefinition of the concept.

>Secondly, we should stop focusing on policy reform, and we should become more agnostic towards levels of regulation or tax. By neither supporting nor opposing increased regulation or tax levels, we can focus on what truly matters, the only thing that can truly make us free, which is the right of self-determination. Once we succeed in abolishing the state and introducing the free market to the governance industry, levels of regulation and taxation will naturally and predictably reach their minimal levels as their acceptance will now depend on individual, voluntary decisions.

>This shift of focus allows us to become attractive as a movement to regular people of almost all sides of the political and personality spectrum. The evils of monopoly are after all considered common sense to even the least economically enlightened members of society – the evils of government, not so much. In other words, we should stop being anti-government, and stick to being anti-state. We would no longer come across as antagonists, and instead we might influence members of other political movements to also demand a competitive government, whatever the origin of their motivations to do so.

>Third, I said before that half of political progress was about semantics; the other half of political progress is about aesthetics. To be blunt, our movement cannot be known for degeneracy and cultural destruction, for the success of our ideas fundamentally will depend on our low time preference derived from traditional values. This cannot be overlooked as a fundamental pillar of liberty, for high time preference always does lead back to statism. We must present ourselves to the world as brave, sophisticated and yet modest gentlemen and gentlewomen who present rational ideas with a calm disposition. In other words, the word libertarian must become a contrast to the word libertine, and no longer can the two be seen as compatible in the eyes of the average political spectator.

>Next, and this is a subtle one, we must position ourselves in favor of self-determination, but not necessarily put ourselves too quickly in favor of secession. Self-determination can refer to the decision to stay within a government, and not just the decision to leave it. We should be respectful of all voluntary choices even if we find them distasteful.

(cont'd)

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tfw i want to be a biologist

tfw the community of biologists is 99% liberal (in its usa meaning)

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why well educated people are further from thurh regarding differences among people (races) than stupid people? are not prejudices useful in saving one's life? are not they just generalizations useful in real life? im soon going to go to big city to study there and im originally from mid sized city and ppl from big city will look down on me and they will say im racist and not progressive because im from mid sized city

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I know you guys don't like to talk about this, but let's do it anyway. First of all, does webm related violate the NAP for you? Even if he consented?

Secondly, would it violate the NAP if I or maybe me and my team who spcialized to help disturbed boys such as these and operate under donations from people would … let's say kidnap these guys and try to fix them? Not with actual violence of course. It would be like a mental hospital. But we would functionally kidnap them. Maybe even meet with them under false pretenses, because they think we would become their friends and agree to castrate them?

My question is would you tolerate such an organization and not ostracize it?

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The Fuck? Chill The Fuck Out Thread

The fuck are y'all doing lately? Why are you being massive fucking sperges and responding to obvious bait and pedo tripfags that have been banned from half of this website?

Seriously guys, take a fucking chill pill and a deep breath. Is it really worth responding to obvious bait? Every time you even respond with a sage, you're just giving faggots an excuse to respond back to you. Especially you, Revolutionary America flag, shut the fuck up and ignore the faggots. It's not that hard. We don't need more moderation, we need more self-control to know when to and when not to respond to shit that's below even shitposting criteria. If you've gotta tell someone they're delusional, do so and move on. It's not that hard nigga, put down the fucking keyboard. Now I've gotta autistically start a Chill the fuck out thread because of all this shit piling up this last week or so. Slow responses and quality are better than quantity any day of the week. The fact that you browse /liberty/ instead of going to your monthly liberty on the rocks meetings or libertarian bullshit is already proof that you should understand this concept. Jesus Christ.

Chill Thread. Post your chill here or something, I dunno.

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Leftists are stealing Murray Bookchin

What do you guys think of Murray Bookchin?

Hes a libertarian and leftists try to coop his work to look leftist. He is a voluntaryist, has the same views on marxist socialism as Friedrich Hayek but does support his form of communism wich he calls Libertarian Municipalism wich isnt anti private property or Nap.

https://reason.com/archives/1979/10/01/interview-with-murray-bookchin/

Interesting quote.

REASON: What do you think of combining anarchism with pacifism as Robert LeFevre does—holding that violence is under no circumstances justifiable, even in self-defense; that one should attempt to escape rather than return violence if one is attacked?

BOOKCHIN: I have a great admiration for pacifism, but I'm not a pacifist, mainly because I would defend myself if I were attacked, and I believe that the American people should defend themselves if any attempt is made to take over the government by coup d'etat, whether by the military or the Marxists or any people who profess to be anarchists. But I do have an intense respect for pacifists, because I believe that ultimately, if we are to have a truly humanistic as well as libertarian society, violence will have to be banished on this planet.

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What is socialism?

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How would you split America up?

I'm doing an experiment where I go to the main 3 political boards on 8chan, and I want to get your opinion on how you would split up America between your guy's ideology.

Side note: Don't paint the whole map with one ideology, we've all seen that before, its a waste of your time.

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Favorite Communist Videos

This is the kind of shit I just love watching.

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anyone wanna help me write a party manifesto?

I just got the papers from the local office of law to start a new political party, the Canadian alt-right party (CARP), I need to write a party manifesto and collect 2,500 signatures, I've got all my ideas, But I need help with the language, especially since I plan on banning the vote from Women, Sub-90 IQ's, and all Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism), and want to establish, in as much detail as possible, how this should be done.

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I'm in the habit of reading anti-capitalist treatises from time to time, to prevent myself from becoming completely uncritical. Anyone else do that? What was the most convincing critique against capitalism and the free market that you've ever read? Why did it still not convince you?

I cannot really come up with something, because I found every critique of capitalism so far to be utter shit. The one that made me think was Amartya Sens idea that the market could cause famines, but that was before I really learned economics. It was also before I learned that his models only work out when 10% of the population starts eating over 6000 calories a day. Really, I can recommend finding a critique of his model, because the thought of some rich guy chewing pound after pound of wheat is fucking hilarious.

Picture related.

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Thoughts on this hypothesis? A short summary:

>Mothers in Africa nurture their children until they're two, then they usually have another child and neglect the first one

>This hampers the intellectual development of the child, and that's why blacks have a lower IQ on average

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National Socialist economics

I have heard many times how the National Socialist economic model was doomed to failure but never any significant sources or arguments to back it up. I am not extremely well versed in past economies of the world but because Nazi Germany had affected and benefited it's people greatly through it's policies I am doubtful of that.

Could /liberty/ help me understand and learn more as to why such policy was incorrect or did not work?

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So how do I learn how to invest and save money properly?

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Why the Rich Don't Give to Charity

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/04/why-the-rich-dont-give/309254/

Underlying our charity system—and our tax code—is the premise that individuals will make better decisions regarding social investments than will our representative government. Other developed countries have a very different arrangement, with significantly higher individual tax rates and stronger social safety nets, and significantly lower charitable-contribution rates. We have always made a virtue of individual philanthropy, and Americans tend to see our large, independent charitable sector as crucial to our country’s public spirit. There is much to admire in our approach to charity, such as the social capital that is built by individual participation and volunteerism. But our charity system is also fundamentally regressive, and works in favor of the institutions of the elite. The pity is, most people still likely believe that, as Michael Bloomberg once said, “there’s a connection between being generous and being successful.” There is a connection, but probably not the one we have supposed.

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/liberty/ memes

Post your political/liberty related memes

I need more

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Can you be Catholic and libertarian?

Not sure if this should be in >>>/christian/ but as a libertarian, it seems very hard to rationalize capitalism being accepted by the Vatican.

Excerpt from the Catechism.

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I have 2 ideas that would solve the immigration crisis forever.

1. Citizenship comes from your parents. Therefore no more anchor babies.

2. We only allow legal immigration from countries where vice versa it would be safe for an American to immigrate to. No more niggers, spics, gooks, and durkas

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are there any famous ancaps who do not espouse the concept of natural law?

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Antitrust

So what are your thoughts on antitrust laws?

natural monopoly?

too many people who are pro free market when it comes to the monopoly power begin to backpedal on their principles

fear of everything big and "totalitarian" sure runs deep

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You do realize that there's no substantial difference between the state and a very large home owner's association that charges you various fees right?

One example is private security. You do realize that it'd be impossible for the average person to pay a security guard to protect their property 24/7 like how the police do now? You do realize that you would have to pitch in with your neighbors collectively for the security of a geographic location right? You do realize that because you're all pitching in collectively that decisions about which security force etc would logically end up in a democratic decision making process right?

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/leftypol/ butthurt

So I noticed another spike in the number of visitors we have and decided to visit /leftypol/ to see what was up. Well I came across this thread mentioning a comment from a thread on here. It appears as if the OP has gotten himself a severe case of ass pain and is asking his comrades for help. He wasn't too happy with our previous responses.

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1905873.html

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*blocks your path*

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Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Thoughts on this man? Have you read one of his books yet, or are you a homosexual?

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Liberty Reading Guide

Pic related is the new reading guide. I made a special tab for objectivism, but haven't sorted the book there yet, at all. Another tab is for history. That one's sorted, but very incomplete.

I added some books to minarchism and replaced Everyday Anarchy with Spooners No Treason.

Anyone have more suggestions on this thing?

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To all our democratic friends here - your vote means nothing, your opposition means nothing. Slavery wasn't abolished through the voting ballot, apartheid wasn't abolished through the voting ballot, why should we believe that statism and capitalism will simply wither away and thus we'll conceive a free society? Violence is a necessary mean to acquire a better world.

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Managed Transition

For an ancap society to work, there should be a 'transition state' to sell off military equipment to militias, privatise towns into special gated communities, and notify everybody about the local police forces that will be operating in the area. Then I think it has a much better chance of working.

Isn't this much better than sudden, rapid abolition of the state, with high potential for anarchy in the negative sense (and potentially tyrannical, competing governments)?

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Has anyone thought about building an intellectual hub for libertarians and market anarchists in New Hampshire, similar to the Mises Institute? I've been in NH for a few months but feel like there's something missing here, namely any kind of libertarian academic institute. Most of the libertarians here are pretty dumb, TBH. You don't see top tier Austrian School economists coming to NH to support the FSP, you see low-lifes who came to NH with the FSP because their hometowns didn't want them. Plus, having a MI-like institution will facilitate the growth of movers.

The pic is of Keene.

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Ancaps LITERALLY CAN'T solve global warming. And you will NEVER EVER be able to deal with sea level rise or desertification. By 2050, people will be begging for a strong, socialist state to save them from flooding and famine.

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liberty Art

Anyone got any liberty art to share

ALSO KNOWN AS FREEDOM ART

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Moment You Realized You Were A Libertarian

What was the moment you realized you were a libertarian, /liberty/?

For me, getting passed out drunk at age 19 at ISFLC was the moment I realized I didn't want anything to do with NEETSocs and what's now the "alt-right." I realized I partied the night away, got fucked up, and only had a bruised tongue the next morning, and there's nothing an authoritarian government could have done to stop me.

Similarly getting high for the first time out of a volcano made me realize I was an AnCap, and what ultimately brought me to Jesus Christ.

pic unrelated.

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i fucking love based korwin

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39152562

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'Moralism' compared with religion

Moral ideals that pretend to above the total good are nothing but cults. When action is restrained on behalf of the cult of morality, and a child dies, we may as well say that this child has been sacrificed to a moral cult. The difference between a moral cult and a religion is this: a religious person may genuinely believe that his sacrifice pleases the gods and so this action actually serves the greater good. The moralist knows his sacrifice pleases nothing beyond the purely abstract sentiment of 'morality'- of course, it pleases nothing at all, because sentiments are not real gods which can be pleased. In the truest sense we may say the sacrifice has been to nothing; a sacrifice only to the benefit of the wind.

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Opinions on classical Anarchist revolutions

What's your opinions on Anarchist revolutions and societies such as the Free Territory, Catalonia, The Zapatista in Chiapas, the Paris commune, Anarchist Shinmin, and Rojava?

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What can be done to stop ISPs regional monopolies without resorting to government interference. Also a Net Neutrality thread.

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I've watched this movie with a good friend. Turns out it's a fine documentary, not at all a propaganda piece, nor another dull recantation of feminists being crazy and hypocritical. There's some very interesting facts in it about the court system, many of whom you'll probably already know but the events behind it are, as usual, more interesting than the statistics. That's one of the highlights of the film, but there's more.

What still doesn't convince me is that it's somehow a bad thing men are the "disposable" sex. In many cases, it is, but that men leave the sinking boat after women and children or that they protect them in wars is both natural and expedient. Better to direct the anger at the institution of the draft, at unjust wars and at degenerate pseudo-intellectuals who decry masculinity and try to take it away as a source of pride. In short, the French Revolution once again lies at the source of all evil.

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AHHHHHH

IT'S LIKE CHEWING ON TINFOIL

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about the NAP

Why don't we just kill anyone who tries to take away our freedom? For example, McCain takes away our freedom by keeping the individual mandate alive. So we kill him. Leftists/liberals try to take away our guns, so we kill them. Niggers and universities try to take away our freedom of speech, so we kill them. Government takes away our income to keep genetic turds and lazy assholes alive, so we destroy the government. Companies try to take advantage of the lack of government and screws workers out of their wages, so we kill those in management responsible, OR lazy bums or assholes try to game the system at work to keep their petty bullshit going, so we kill them. A husband shits up his wife's life, we kill him, a woman acts like a femcunt, so we kill her.

It seems to me that we don't need a NAP, but instead a AP. The democratization of violence would lead to true liberty.

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Someone explain to me what the fuck this even means. Because I can only interpret it as "abstract principles don't matter", and "ethics is whatever I say it is". How are we supposed to have a discourse on ethics with these kinds of attitudes around?

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I'm an ex Anarcho-Capitalist now Individualist Anarchist and I have a question. What exactly makes government's claim of land ownership different from any other absentee land ownership and thus illegitimate?

I'll use the United States as an example. The founding fathers of the USA were all property owners who can do what they want with their property. Most of the property owners in the United States agreed to the new system of government. When new territories were established the government would send out explorers and military personnel to claim the new territory for the government on their behalf none of which violates the NAP.

Being reasonable there's definitely lots of pockets of land and various areas that maybe weren't established in ways compatible with the NAP but in order to completely declare that land illegitimate property of the state it would have to be demonstrated that it was initially being occupied by someone who was forcefully removed from it. The Natives are a very obvious example of this so let's get that out of the way right now but certainly they couldn't lay claim to the entire continent.

Second question: What makes corporate property legitimate? For this example corporate property being defined as property that has utilized the state apparatus to violate the NAP i.e. lobbied congress for a minimum wage raise, profited in an unjust manner from resource wars and laws against victim less crimes, received bailouts via tax dollars etc. Would it be okay if demonstrated that it used force against the people to seize their industry and property?

Third question: Why is a capitalist necessary? Capitalist being defined as one who exercises absentee landownership over property and uses it to extract value in the form of rents or wage labor. Wouldn't it be better for everyone to replace the capitalist class with a mutual credit bank and let workers split the proceeds from an enterprise and let people owning homes pay the workers that created their home themselves? Why do we need a capitalist class?

I consider myself a socialist and an anarchist because I personally view them as a default for society and I'm not here to shitpost or start a fight because I do respect your views and think you have a very logical ethos and set of principles. My problems with capitalism are basically it's at the very least unnecessary and undesirable as an economic arrangement goes and basically it doesn't exist inside of a vacuum. The modern incarnation of capitalism which you refer to as corporatism is intertwined with the violence and coercion of the state to such a degree the two are almost ethically indistinguishable hence question 2. I want to have a socialist revolution of sorts where the major industries, the ones that operate in conjunction with the state, are taken and controlled by the workers. I don't care about small businesses and what not but I believe in a sort of Fight Club everyone starts over type of revolution and then people voluntarily conduct themselves. Thoughts?

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Gay marriage

Do you support it, yes or no? I have met many who call themselves libertarians who do not support this.

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what did he mean by this

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Remember the 306million, Goyim!

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Why do ancaps have such a firm belief in social Darwinism and tend to get it mixed up with the actual evolution scientific theory?

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what do you think about creating /liberty/ wikia?

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New and improved book dump, /liberty/. In total, it's 285 documents. There should be something interesting in it for anybody:

https://www.file-upload.net/download-12575074/BookDumpPart1.rar.html

https://www.file-upload.net/download-12575107/BookDumpPart2.rar.html

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/libertech/

What does /liberty/ have to say on free software and liberty in the tech world?

I came over here from /tech/, and a lot of what's discussed (or circle jerked) is the fact that software has become just another avenue of control.

What was once a tool to free the common man with a device that could access information all over the world (PCs and internet) is now being stifled, censored, and twisted as another means to sedate the masses (Windows, Apple, social media, etc)

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Bir Tawil is ours!

/liberty/ it is time that we stake our claim to Bir Tawil. Others have gone before us to plant their flags, but none has as been as passionate for a true land of liberty and freedom as this board. We must select among us a representative to brave the wastes to stake out claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil#Various_claims

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/bir-tawil-1

http://kingdomofbirtawil.blogspot.com/

http://www.jackshenker.net/special-features/welcome-to-the-land-that-no-country-wants.html

https://nmlproject.com/2014/07/17/maps-cracks-and-the-geographical-imagination-of-no-mans-land/

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Grocery stores of the future now at hand!

Fuck yes I love innovation as a result of capitalism. Do not fall for the whole UBI and the "robots took muh job, wife, and dog" meme. Grab your shades lads it's getting bright in here. With Amazon Go you enter a store, scan your phone, get what you need, and walk right out. In addition, Tally the robot roams around keeping track of stock levels throughout the store before making its way back to charging station. Most likely an early prototype of the Super Duper Mart Protectron.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/meet-tally-grocery-stocking-robot-about-eradicate-1000s-minimum-wage-jobs

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http://government-2020.dupress.com/driver/data-currency-asset/

> In a hyper-connected, sensor-driven world, virtually everything and everyone generate a vast amount of data, all the time. Much of that new information will consist of personal details: where people have been, what products they’ve bought, what movies they like, which candidates they support— the list is nearly endless. By 2020, more than 80 percent of consumers collect, track, barter or sell their personal data for savings, convenience and customization, making information a currency in the truest sense. The production and use of troves of data encourages “citizen innovators” to transform open data into solutions and applications.

Can data actually be used as currency or is this just economic illiteracy?

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Is this correct? Does the LTV accurately describe reality?

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Actual Libertarian in the LP

Daily reminder that instead of the joke that was Johnson we could have had an ACTUAL Libertarian representing us in the 2016 election.

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Niche manga that recently gained traction features the concept of the NAP

Dumping the relevant chapters, for you gents to enjoy and comment on.

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The only form of anarchy which conciliates everyone is anarcho capitalism:

>Voluntaryism

>Free to make a commie state apart

>Ancommunism and anmutualism are tolerated

>Individuals are free to live in the system they want

>Just forget the ecologists fags

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Anarcho-democracy

Anarchy is incompatible with government, but this is not incompatible with a state, right?

So let's make states of the world governed by their own people who vote laws and decisions by themselves!

The only form of anarchy which actually works

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When the socialist calls for plebeian ownership of land, the liberal supports him; they only disagree, on how much. Both are far from the traditional view, wherein ownership of the land was a limited quality, conferred only on those who carried a sacred ritual flame devoted to character, race, honor, valor, and faithfulness to an emperor or king.

Under the ideal liberal regime, it is understood, anyone can be an owner. Not only is the 'sacredness' of ownership abolished, leaving the land only valued for its material aspect and liable to degradation- now that plebeians are allowed to own the land for themselves, and divide it, and say what takes place on it, it is not long before they set their eyes on owning the whole stock of the land. After all, they are the bulk of the population, and it is not 'fair' that some control all the land, and others little.

The capitalist cannot answer this by referring to the sacredness of the land's ownership- in fact, the capitalist does not think land ownership is sacred- or by pointing out that the plebeian class are neither ritually nor temperamentally fit to own land, but only by saying that the prospective owners have to, legally if not morally, pay for it first. To which the plebeian responds- 'well, I will not have to pay if I simply take it from you'.

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ups

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why do ancaps think that free market will promote fairness among judges im policentric law system?

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How do you precisely define what is and isn't free speech? How you differentiate between expressing an opinion and speaking your mind, and being a disruptive asshole who won't stop shouting nigger in town square? People should be allowed to express your opinions, but I feel like they shouldn't be allowed to just be an asshole, disrupting the public. In a way this also relates to internet moderation. How do you make sure that someone simply expressing an unpopular opinion won't be termed disruptive/troll to shut them up?

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Board-tan

>>>/sudo/42783

Well, /liberty/?

I bitched about the fact that he's asking artists to be paid in exposure, but we might as well get in on this if we can. I'm thinking we should submit AnCap Grill, but these three fuckers seem to be what we're most known for.

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Statist Arguments.

This thread will contain statist arguments and rebuttals to their claim in a form of links & sources (text can be proved as well as images)

In the platform of.

>[statist argument]

<[answer with link]

(<> aren't necessary)

◾Try not to post links to videos that are too long. Stay within a 30 min frame( if needed you can go over).

◾ Avoid posting [PDF] books also. Nobody has time to read that. However, it's still an option.

◾When linking an article make things easier for a person to "get to the point", by providing keys words and shortcuts they can navigate through (Ctrl + F).

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The Decline of Libertarianism

How's the libertarian revolution coming along lads?

>tfw when every major lib eceleb (incl. lauren southern and styx) has disavowed libertarianism

Does being on a losing streak violate the NAP?

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is he /ourguy/?

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Where does this bullshit "you are responsible for your own life" meme come from? We had no say in whether we want to be born or not, it's a decision that was forced on us. If we are not responsible for the crimes of our ancestors, why are we responsible of the mistakes of our parents?

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do you like C4SS?

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do you know any ancap priest?

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Welcome to Liberty!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (State Capitalism, State Capitalism, etc, NOT MY CAPITALISM). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints(but we shitfling non-authoritarian viewpoints that does not agree with MY PHILOSOPHY), light moderation, but most of all a very cynical board.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen Stalin, and we've seen Hitler and we've said no, stop this madness - the authoritarians who seek to control of muh property and make it their property and test out their vague theories would enslave ME just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ WE believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of MY liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Like the pic said, We'll heavily ridicule every other anarchist other than Ancapistani.

Rules

1. Global Rules

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm. (So stiky dis mod)

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary. << This Anon gets it.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board? << THIS

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do exist, even if they're real in MY mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like anything Left of the spectrum, and want to discuss things without Anarcho-Commies sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a communist/statist/shill/Jew/etc. does defeat them. Git gud ANCOMMIE.

That takes care of the important stuff. This to be stickied is subject to be updated anytime.

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why were in the '30s so many ppl without work?

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History General

Who else here into history? What epochs interest you the most? For me, it would be Western Europe from about the 8th to the 17th Century, particularly the 10th to 13th one. Also, anyone here on >>>/his/? That's a rhetorical question, because no one is on fucking /his/, which is a pity.

Didn't check if the picrel is even supposed to show the 13th, but I don't really care.

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How can Ancaps say they support freedom and rights when in reality they do not support the first and absolutely do not want the second? It seems like their only objection to the state is that it illegitimately holds its property, not that anything it does is actually wrong. Rights seem to be something heinous and evil to them, since it they do not want public property to exist at all and rights existing in private property would restrict the absolute power of the property owner. Freedom of speech, religion, association, right to bear arms and to consume anything, would necessarily not exist. You could of course do anything you wanted on your own property, but for everyone else (who would likely be the majority), they'd simply be privileges, if they existed at all.

Ancap seems to be an especially absurd name because they don't want anarchy at all, the very thought is evil and binding, limiting the power the property holder has over his property. They are completely indifferent to rules or rulers, by definition making them non-anarchists. Again, their sole problem with the state is not what it does per se, only that its authority to do it is invalid, since its property was claimed illegitimately. Any state imaginable, no matter how tyrannical or oppressive, no matter if it was a Saudi Arabia, a North Korea, a Soviet Union, or even a medieval kingdom, would be unacceptable or immoral, as long as the property it ruled over was legitimately owned. They could make the argument all day that "It wouldn't be that way, they'd go out of business if they treated their employees/customers/tenants like that", but even if that was true, the point remains that they believe it would be perfectly acceptable to treat them that way, and if that came to be the general standard, then that wouldn't be a problem at all.

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UBI Madness

What the hell is going on? Finland has started up UBI and now Hawaii is thinking of becoming the first state to do so. Does nobody think of the implications anymore, or has it become trendy to be completely clueless to economics?

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music threada

music threada

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Here's some things I think are true, and which should be troubling for anyone considering libertarianism:

>there is no clear correlation between the welfare state and single mothers

As seen by Greece / Sweden having low rates vs UK / US having higher rates

>countries that actually punish drug users (as opposed to sellers of drugs) have low rates of drug crime

As pointed out by Peter Hitchens, this can be seen in Japan and South Korea. US / UK hardly punish anyone for drug use, as their culture has not recently permitted it. They only barely get away with arresting dealers.

>charitable giving falls or stays the same in recessions, even though the need for resources spikes

As seen in the graph. In addition, people won't borrow to give to charity, so there is no 'automatic stabiliser' effect, which usually reduces the effects of recessions. Rather, in a libertarian society people would lose their jobs and have to sharply cut down on purchases, or draw down on savings, making the recession worse.

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blog of famous polish libertarian philosopher

some entries are in english

http://www.jakubw.com/

rate

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so apparently there's some autistic irrelevant war going on between /pol/ and /leftypol/. Want to laugh at it?

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1887982.html

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libfags

You’re all a bunch of faggots. Without rules society can’t survive. People are inherently evil and need to be brought up in a controlled society for them to not be monsters.

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They just can't leave things alone!

http://www.coindesk.com/us-congressman-cryptocurrencies-need-tighter-rules/

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Another solution to poverty

So I just came up with this idea, critique it for me guys.

Let's say there's a big corporation, Wal-Mart for example. You also have these people in poverty that don't have a home, food, water etc etc. So Walmart decides to provide a place that provides the basic needs for these people. It's hotel like, but the only thing that comes with it is the basic commodities. With these poor people are staying here, they agree to work for Wal-mart in exchange to pay off the expenses of the "hotel". Now they have a job and a place to stay! After having to work at Walmart for a month, the poor person now has monthly income. Some of which will go into the hotel (rent) and the rest the poor person can keep to himself, and save up until he can become self-sufficient.

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face the truth

Are you ready for the truth?

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So the welfare state in Europe in set to collapse soon.

>What country falls first?

>Does the EU siphon funds to keep it alive in those country(ies) to keep the illusion going longer?

>Do any countries EU or not look at the collapse and cut back or even abolish their welfare states? Or cut back and abolish immigration?

>What will happen when millions of unemployed non-natives find themselves without any basic necessities?

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Yo /liberty/ in case you didn't notice, /pol/ has gone up on the board claims list. If you want to snatch it and end the reign of the NEETSoc jannies here's you chance.

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Anarcho authoritarianism?

Da fuck is this?

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Canadian Behavioral Modification App

WTF Leafs! New app allows you to score big points from Big Brother by being a "good" citizen.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/07/06/ontario-gives-15m-to-carrot-rewards-app-to-help-people-make-healthy-choices.html

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What Communist/Socialist don't understand about poverty and Anarcho-Capitalist.

Wealth inequality is a necessary part of society. Different reward structures are necessary as an incentive for the best qualified people to occupy the most important positions. Even poverty has functions that help society. The functions of poverty for society include the facts that the poor take otherwise undesirable jobs and housing, purchasing of secondhand goods, and provide work for thousands, including social service caseworkers and others who work with the poor.

As an Ancap I want to improve poverty (just like how 1st-world poor is different from 3rd-world poor). Rather than trying to equalize it across the board for everyone. I want to change the standard of living for the average poor person, making more commodities affordable. However this is kinda difficult due to the large regulations of the market, government subsidies of failing companies, and theft taxation, as well as other stuff. Only in a free market can people prosper in wealth easily.

You can't multiply wealth by dividing it.

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What do you think he's wrong about? He is too full of himself to admit a mistake or an error because apparently he thinks he solved ethics/philosophy. I won't say my opinion because I think he's wrong on too many things, but what is the /liberty/ critique of Molyneux?

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Thoughts on the Glorious Revolution of 1688? Bonus points for opinion on Oliver Cromwell.

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Religion is incompatible with libertarianism

History, I believe furnishes no example of a priest ridden people maintain g a free civil government. " - Thomas Jefferson.

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4th of July thread

Happy 4th of July, Liberty. Let's remember the ideals that founded this country, and celebrate the country with the most freedom per square inch: America.

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Chicago Tribune Op-Ed Degrades National Anthem As 'A Pompous Battle Number'

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18675/chicago-tribune-columnist-degrades-national-anthem-aaron-bandler

Anti-Americanism makes me fucking furious

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"Tendency of the rate of profits to fall"

If there are any /leftypol/ shitposters still around, would you care explaining to me how contemporary Marxists still manage to stick to this one? Even if we ignore the issue of marginal utility, which undermines the whole issue by its foundations in the LTV (or whatever three forms of "value" that Marx created to obfuscate his economic argument's reliance on the LTV), Marxists still fail to give any compelling rebuttal to the issues of increased productivity over time, expansion into new markets, or entrepreneurship in general. It seems that the only times that Marxists are ever noticed in the economic mainstream is when they start some controversy over cherrypicked empirical data showing decreased profits for a single market over a set period of time in which they conveniently ignore any future innovations that might resuscitate the market, or the exponentially larger number of markets that often spring off from a dying one, causing net growth of profits in the economy as a whole. It's like Marxists economists put their fingers in their ears whenever the basic Schumpeterian notion of "creative destruction" in markets is brought up by Austrian economists, or even earlier Marxist economists.

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What do you think of positive libertarianism?

>It is acceptable to take any action to maximise freedom

>Violations are 'tangible' and can be weighted against each other

>The role of the state is to ensure ordered liberty, which includes the removal of democrats and communists

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http://www.independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/

This is what happens when you fuck with the free market because the free movement of labour hurts your precious feelings.

Daily reminder that if you are against migration you are against freedom.

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Finally a book about communism even Libertarians can understand!

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Dead board

Dead community

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Want to know what you all think about the impending robot takeover of all manufacturing and construction jobs. What will become of the workers who have been replaced with mindless machines.

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Here we go again

Saw this on Marketwatch.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amazon-is-getting-too-big-and-the-government-is-talking-about-it-2017-07-13

Just because Amazon is big does not make it a monopoly. To begin anti-trust discussion when Amazon does not even have majority dominance within the US market, let alone the global market, is asinine. If Amazon is providing services that customers demand then it is natural for it to continue to grow. I am able to purchase many things on Amazon for far cheaper than other e-commerce and brick and mortar stores will offer. If the government breaks this up while protecting other monopolies it goes to show how little politicians understand and care about economics and consumer choice.

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Chicago School

Thoughts on the Chicago School, models, and methodology

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Is Hoppe controlled opposition?

Call me a loony but look up his ties with Habermas, well known critical theory (cultural marxism) philosopher. Hoppe consistently preaches anti-libertarian standpoints and makes us look like sociopaths who hate poor people (exactly the caricature that leftists have fabricated of us)

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>>>/pol/10247509

When did ancap philosophy become all about shooting up conservative right demonstrations? What a shitty political movement you believe in.

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/leftypol/ ridicules and critisizes /liberty/ once again

>>>/leftypol/1854926

How will you respond?

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KapvCap

How guys I got an idea on how to deal with Communist strawmans of capitalism.

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The problem of bald apes is that they allowed to pavlov train themself and install the habit of regular taking and releasing notes of theirs thoughts and notes from theirs life.

Casual ape in few years after being connected to network have wrote more text than the most productive book writer in whole his bibliography.

These notes are mostly trash, but they are nearly permanent, and alredy in form, or even format that allows to just pass them through algorithm. For algoritm amount of data is not that important, what really matter for these who create algorimt is to know what they are looking for.

Casual bald ape is partly aware of this.

But similarly to smokers who while being pointed likes to tell "you have to die somehow", wired bald ape are making fun from this problem by spreading ironic sentences like "oh fuck, they watch me masturbating, like other 5-6 bibions of ppl. Everything but not this!"

These apes are even calling it freedom, because habit is strongly rooted. prised with facebook reactions, people atention, answers, acceptation in some herd, or possibility of watching butthurt from save distance.

Meanwhile advertises starts to have something like 6th sense and are better and better at this.

Supposedly no one, not even these ads is reading in apes minds. But it's reading somewhere. And we all know where. In small pieces of these notes that are reachable for it.

You can say to this apes that it's making pretty dumb thing, that there is possibility that somebody would use these notes. Aren't you posting too much?

Or you can ask "Hey little moneky! Do you have any fears when you are typing like this?"

But ape would only growl at you, and back to his habit after this. Because it was trained for this for years, such habit is deep inside her.

Wired blank apes - it's what I see when I looks at modern society.

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Has the Ancap Movement Failed?

>1/3 sold out their principles and joined the alt-right and "civic" nationalists.

>1/3 are nihilistic shitposters who have never-ending pity parties about how the world's gone to shit.

>1/3 have stuck to their guns, but focus on ineffective or unscalable tactics like political action, trying to "win the war of ideas," and agorism.

Is liberty truly fucked?

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OC Thread

Starting it with this shitty, unaligned diagram I made. Maybe it inspires someone.

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That Guy T

Daily reminder that he thinks children are property.

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How do you know capitalism is responsible for lots of innovation? A lot of capitalist countries put money into science research, so somebody could point to that instead

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How to destroy a Communist society

Get the central planners to make a pencil from scratch.

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Have you ever late Satre's compatibilisk?

>human aren't free in any situation

>opression is loss of freedom

>for one to be truly free, one needs not only negative goods, but also some positive ones

You can't say X person, with no shelter, is as free as Y person, with home. Opression would then not only manifest itself as "infringement of negative liberty", which libertarians are against, but also as the lack of a minimum material condition.

(I know this was a really no-depth explanation of Satrean politics, I was afraid of it becoming boring as hell)

If adopting Satre's views on free will, should we become more filthy leftist and care about minimum material conditions? I've been reading libertarian articles and books for a year now, yet Between Existentialism and Marxism really hit me.

I became interested in libertarianism because "giving freedom to people and economy". And in this year I studied it, I became familiar with the notion that free market makes things better for the poor. But still I can't ignore that, while leaving it to the market, lots of people today are enslaved by the need of survival.

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I don't really understand why so many people debate whether or not anarcho-capitalism should be considered real anarchy. Can someone explain why this debate is still prevalent?

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Praxis?

How would ancap praxis work? Would there be a corporate revolution or just some kind of reformation via vote

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Hello fellow free people,

I come towards you with a simple yet debatable topic/question:

what is your view on the age of consent/child pornography?

What do you think about it, what should be different, and what system would you install within a truly free society?

I myself think consensual child sex/porn should be legal, yet participants should be forced to prove the consensuality if there was any doubt.

Oh, and maybe you could add, which political ideology you identify with, to see which ideology takes which stand regarding this topic.

I, myself, identify as Individualist Ultraminarchist, as I see the absolute minimum of state to be perfect and view individuality and freedom as the absolute goal humanity should try to reach.

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Czech 'Em!

Czech Republic to get more liberty with constitutional right to bear arms.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-01/2nd-amendment-comes-europe-czech-republic-enshrine-right-bear-arms-constitution

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One day, Freeland is invaded by Communistan.

Hordes of islamic communists armed with Eastern Bloc milsurp pour into the nation, raping and pillaging as they will. Though unprepared, defence companies and local militias stall and even turn back the tide thanks to home-field advantage. Commuslims now only control one city, and the Rebel Alliance is making no significant gains on it.

Any attempt at rebellion or subversion in the city is punished mongol-style by killing a flat proportion of the city's population in gruesome ways. Invaders import their own countrymen to fill out vacant positions. At this point, overwhelming majority of the city populace is against any attempt at liberation, as failure will result in punishment. Commustan is gathering forces for a soon-to-come repeat of this takeover maneuver.

What do?

How can Freeland appeal to foreign military aid in absence of a central government? And more importantly, how can the foreign aid be kept out of the nation once the conflict is over?

Can defence corps and militias violate the wishes of city people, since they are coerced?

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Advice for a new /liberty/ anon

Hi /Liberty/, for the longest time I've been a fanatic authoritarian fascist. I've followed NS for many years but lately as I've got older, my personal outlook has started to clash with the abstractions of politics.

I've changed in my perspective and whilst always having something if an anarchic streak, I've come to see flaws in being the ideologue I was. I've also rejected the urban and believe an agrarian return is necessary for human quality of life.

I've been reading into Agorism and think it makes a lot of sense. These days I simply want people (and myself) personal liberty, the ability to use the freedom I was born with before States and Laws decided to trick me into thinking I owe them something simply for being born.

I feel much better with this outlook I have to say. What would you recommend I read after I finis the Agorist Primer?

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While reading through The Capital, I stumbled on a very interesting quote by Etienne Bonnot de Condillac. I'm reading the German edition, so I gotta translate the best parts of the quote by myself:

>It is wrong that in an exchange equal value is given for equal value. The reverse is true. Each contractant gives a smaller value for a bigger.

>Why? The value of things consists in their relationship to our needs. What is more for one, is less for the other, and the reverse.

Marx criticized this, but as usual, his critique is needlessly vitriolic and misses the point entirely. I thought the subjective value theory was founded by Carl Menger, yet here we have someone say that value is at least dependant on needs. And this was written in 1776! What to make of it, /liberty/?

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Mutualism should be your second choice.

Monopolies are shit.

In fact, big organizations altogether are almost always complete garbage, and a necessary evil at best. The only reason we need them is because of scale production, but there are tons of downsides and we should always be trying to find ways to make them economically obsolete.

They affect things like the market. The state is allowed to just make decrees and directly restrict whatever it likes, and big corps can be price makers instead of price takers. The ideal free market that works efficiently has as many different sellers as possible, so that the price setting ability of each firm is dictated by the market, and comprised of the consumers ability to shop around, allowing price competition to occur, as well as competition on other factors such as quality and so on, allowing consumers to pick the trade-offs they'd prefer.

If instead there is the state controlling all, or a few big corporations, then the market is being crushed.

Ancap theory says that second thing can't happen in a true free market, and that the market will crush those big corps and cause monopolies to break up, and price collusion to be foiled by the benefit to individual actors engaging in price competition. I consider this a reasonable argument, and so my first choice is ancap, but will you promise me this; if we ever do get an anarchistic society, and you are proven wrong, and a monopoly business takes over most things, you will update your beliefs in line with the new evidence like I will, you will accept that mutualists or perhaps distributists were right, and not go running and screaming to communism? We would have to fight against private property holders in order to protect the market. The free market is more important than property rights.

A rational person's first choice is ancap, but an empirical person's second choice is distributism or mutualism. Communism never.

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Hello fellow free people,

I come towards you with a simple yet debatable topic/question:

what is your view on the age of consent/child pornography?

What do you think about it, what should be different, and what system would you install within a truly free society?

I myself think consensual child sex/porn should be legal, yet participants should be forced to prove the consensuality if there was any doubt.

Oh, and maybe you could add, which political ideology you identify with, to see which ideology takes which stand regarding this topic.

I, myself, identify as Individualist Ultraminarchist, as I see the absolute minimum of state to be perfect and view individuality and freedom as the absolute goal humanity should try to reach.

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>nationalism is so bad, guys, just look at this spectrum made by some progtards, worse than Hitler, guys

People are a tribal species, some individuals more, some less, but they tend to stick to their cultures and operate within them, not beside them, not between them. Division of church and state, for example, is not something universal, its a Western thing. Most cultures either have the state regulating spirituality or religion regulating the state. Tampering with that relation usually results in an outburst of violence as actors within those systems struggle to regain what they view as foundation of order. There are in fact many cultures and whole civilizations that require a top-down control over people to enforce their canons of behavior. Islam, for example.

I think the typical people drawn to your ideologies are deficient in their ability to perceive the deep lack of a common modus of operation between various peoples and you end up ignoring it. Meanwhile there are billions of people who are on every level incompatible with what you'd like to achieve and in fact would feel morally obligated to fuck it over if it came about. Not "oh gee, who will build the roads" people, people who view it as immoral to free the common man on principle. the idea that you'll be ever able to convince the world all at once of one way of being, especially when it undermines their heritage and social structure, is a pipe dream.

I'd back up what I wrote with sources, however it seems socio-cybernetic modeling of civilizations doesn't exist in English. So just take my fucking word on this for a moment: some people will just not want to buy what you're selling, their skin fused to the band-aid and they will never rip it off. you can have diasporas of them among you for thousands of years and they will still not come around to your way of seeing things, of your hierarchy of values. Its how things play out and in the long run your model is the more fragile one, demanding a higher level of consciousness from people, not theirs'. Working within a framework of a culture and a coherent group you can shift it somewhere, with its consent and essentially as a logical conclusion of what it already represents you can evolve it. Trying to do it universally will always fail. Always.

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What happens to anime in an ancap society?

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>find out I am banned from /pol/ even though I haven't been on there for months

>go on /leftypol/ since a long time, because they at least don't ban me

>see this

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1835192.html#q1836049

All around me are familiar faces. Worn out places…

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Political Simulator Games

Masters of the World had so much promise if only the developers would have spent some fucking time fixing it instead of releasing patches as a new game. They must all be socialists because it is almost impossible to create a libertarian society due to the game mechanics alone. Practically the only thing you can do is reduce corporate tax and watch GDP skyrocket. Civil liberties do nothing aside from making certain sections of the populace happy for a brief time. Also everything from infrastructure, to hospitals, universities, research labs, and even housing must be built by the State. Why is the State responsible for having to rebuild dilapidated housing? If I get rid of the welfare state by eliminating all funding the people go ape shit and attempt to overthrow me, and I can only survive by using god mode. I refuse to buy the new Power & Revolution game as it is merely a cosmetic upgrade. Does anyone have any recommendations for political simulators that actually respond to libertarian ideologies?

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what do you think about anarchopositivism? https://freelab2014.wordpress.com/revolution-is-sexy/

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Private Property

How are you justifying your absolute claim to private property these days, exactly?

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how can you be an cap and at the same time hate bringing over a slave class of immigrants to be exploited for cheap labour?

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Why do we need government? I've always been skeptical of government, but as I was applying deodorant yesterday, I realized government doesn't matter.

Government's not good for the people.

If the whole government was privatized, that would make a hell of a lot more jobs. It would generate more revenue.

I agree, government should set certain regulations, but only in extreme cases. If the whole damn rotting beast was brought to its knees and privatized, I would love that. But that's not the perfect solution. The government should only be involved in the most basic and rudimentary day to day things, but government has no place In business.

I don't think the government has any place in recreation or anything else not necessary. Privatize the parks departments (private parks - pay to get in, just like government owned), the education system (private schools work great) and if someone can't afford to go to college, the government shouldnt prop them up.

Here's my philosophy:

Government shouldn't help anyone financially. If someone can't afford something, that's their fault that they didn't work hard enough. If they've been working hard, then their parents or parents parents and so on didn't do their part in working hard for their descendants to do good financially.

And why are they hating on Donald Trump? He didn't work for a penny of his money. So. Fucking. What. His father worked his ass off so that his son Donald could afford his luxury. That's how the system should work. We shouldn't hate on rich people just because they or one of their ancestors worked hard for the money they got! And if they earned the money dishonestly, that's ok because you know what? They were smart enough to get away with it.

I'm done. Thank you very much.

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Running for Office

So I have been toying with the idea of running for office…eventually. Not aiming for anything big, just something small to test out the waters while doing the best I can to eviscerate the system from the inside out. Has anyone on /liberty/ ran for a small office before? Should I run on the Libertarian ticket when the time comes? Any advice would be appreciated.

https://www.runforoffice.org/

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what is your definition of capitalism?

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Market distortions

It's not possible to make arguments that start "in a free society" and then try and apply them to problems that emerge in this society.

Saying you shouldn't do something because it distorts the market is not a real argument, because the market is already distorted. It's not a matter of degree either. You can't say something distorts the market "more", because there's no way to know what actions the individuals would take in a society free of restrictions. You can only really judge things on the basis that they require too much information to be known by people disconnected from the ground actors.

In fact, the market distortion concept itself is subject to the knowledge problem. You can't know how far away or close state action is to something individuals would be doing anyway, because it's impossible to predict the market, as any predictions you make and then attempt to apply effect it in turn. This gives it an anti-inductive chaotic nature. You can't therefore predict what kind of paradigm would prevail in a true capitalist society. All we really know is that more central control means more dysfunction.

However, specific actions a state may take can't be judged on the basis merely that they distort the market. If a state has strong border control and only a few people get through, it's impossible to say whether that's distorting the market any more or less than open borders, because the sum of individual actors in a free society might produce either outcome. It might be that the majority of owners of housing property allow in anyone who can pay, and prices may be very low due to a free market, or it may be that most owners are highly discriminatory. If a state puts in place a large welfare state you can't say that's a distortion of the market either, because you don't know whether people wouldn't give as much in charity as they give in taxes anyway. If the state has a minimum wage, maybe in the ancap society there is a religious culture of high wages, and so the majority of businesses end up trading off employing workers for keeping existing ones happy. They might just voluntarily do the exact same things they do now, or something totally different, we don't know. You can't just tell by polling them either, because you are assuming that they would believe exactly the same thing in a vastly different almost alien to us free market society, and you are also assuming that their stated preferences are the same as their revealed preferences.

The libertarian case on the grounds of economics is totally self-contradicting. The proper reason to be a libertarian is on the moral case that we should find out what people really want through their revealed preferences in the market, but we cannot say that what the state is doing right now violates what people want. It certainly violates what libertarians want, but it's possible that the majority of property owners would support the exact same rules in a voluntary society.

We simply don't know until we actually do the experiment. A free society is a lot like a giant scientific experiment. We simply don't have any data about what would happen in a free society, because people's preferences are distorted along with the market because state society influences them, so we can't judge existing society on those grounds. We can only judge it on the grounds that it is assumptive about what people want, whereas anarchist are willing to actually find out.

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what's worse? /pol/ or /leftypol/?

I am gonna say leftypol, since i'm currently banned from there for posting this in response to an OP whining that everybody likes pepe and bashes on sjws.

the left-wing is a bigger threat to liberty than the right-wing

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Devils Advocates

>You gotta read Galbraith! Demand is a spook, man! The big corporations are manipulating you into buying stuff, dude! What do you mean, you REALLY want this shit? B-but muh consumerism!

>Dude, Marx ist DESTROYING capitalism in the Critique of the Gotha Program!… What do you mean, it's just him cockfighting Lassalle?

>Robert Nozick proved that an anarchocapitalist system can turn into a state, you just gotta pretend he checked all his premises

>Graeber is the only economist you have to read. I swear the book is more than just anthropological trivia!

I keep going back to this shit and it keeps sounding more and more stupid each time. Is there someone, anyone, who has ever read a critique of capitalism that wasn't incredibly stupid?

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itt we honour polish hero

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I am just going to rant here since there's like 3 ppl in total posting here:

Abolition of the state is good, but abolishing your own state first is beyond retarded. Abolishing the state and its armies and its defenses BEFORE you set something better up is utterly insane. Think of what happened to Ukraine after it's state got dismantled. Quality of life didnt improve. I have no clue how to dismantle everyone else's state first tho.

Strategic, operational and tactical advantage of aggression. NAP is an ideal, something that would be very nice, but reality favors aggression. Doesnt matter if we are talking missiles or pulling a gun. Getting hit is not a good policy. Especially since nuclear weapons, but even since humans started throwing rocks, waiting to get hit isnt viable.

I have no way to calculate when aggression will be counter productive tho.

Libertarian economies are perfect, but every one of us would have died if he wasnt spoonfed at birth. I have no formula to calculate when the spoonfeeding is justified tho.

Hierarchies are good. There is a reason all armies use them. Even Soviets, who'se whole thing was 'hierarchies are bad', they experienced that they needed officers they purged to do anything other than zerg rush.

Sometimes, following orders is better for you than acting on your own. Fathers should be heads of families. Doctors should tell patients what to do.

I dont have the algorithm for figuring out when it is in your best interest to follow orders, and when to go against them.

All I know that even monarchy (if the monarch and the ruling court were any good) would probably do a better job E V E R Y T H I N G than our current western liberal democracies (liberal in the media sense, not in the /liberty/ sense, i dont know a single fucking dictator that had 50%+ income tax)

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why does hollywood hate trump? maybe actors are by definition extraverts and extraverts are more left-wing?

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/leftypol/ tranny BO spergs out

>leftypol cries about Venezuela not being REAL SOCIALISM

>user denounces Maduro

>4 week ban

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why should i support pro choice in abortion if according to studies women are even more often statists than men? 99.999% of women are against guns, drugs, prostitution, gambling etc

why should i give more freedom to women if they are taking freedom from me with every election?

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This is my board now

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HAPPENING!

Rouge Venezuelan police helicopter fires grenades at government buildings in suspected coup. Why are helicopters socialists' worst enemies?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/venezuela-crisis/venezuela-helicopter-attack-coup-claim-nation-s-latest-crisis-n777471

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How do we create a market for governments?

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New Book of /liberty/ - Ultimate Edition

As you all, we once started a project where we collected essays and put them into one book, called the Book of /liberty/. As you might also know, we had quite some leftists on this board back then and weren't quite as rabid towards each other. As a result, the Book of /liberty/ was filled with disdainful and disgusting leftist falsehoods, including an essay by Bob Black on how we should go back to the ancient times where people lived a more playful existence, unburdened by work. Not sure whether this carefree and relaxed life referred to the Helots or to the hordes of Timur. Who cares about historical reality when you can bitch about your cubicle job all day, anyway?

Not satisfied with the results, I started a new project, the New Book of /liberty/. The thread got slided to oblivion before we got more than two or three essays. That was a little more than a year ago, I think, but I remain undeterred and would like to start a similar project.

This time, we would write the thing ourselves, not create an anthology of pre-released stuff. Chapters could deal with topics like crime, military defense, caring for the poor, the role of religion in libertarianism, the errors of communism, and so on. Or, and I like this idea even more, we could have a general discussion on ethics and economics and then go on to describe each form of government/society with pro- and counter-arguments, or just counter-arguments if there's a consensus they're shit.

We got a lot of smart heads here and many different viewpoints, so I think that even if this went nowhere, we would at least end up with an interesting collection of facts and ideas.

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was engagement of the usa into vietnam war justified?

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Freedom Fact

Apparently during the American Revolution the Patriots were a minority group in the colonies.Not everyone wanted FREEDOM from Britain, some even went so far as to join them. America was separated into 3 group at the time, Patriots (people who wanted FREEDOM), the Loyalist (people who want to stay with the EU Britain), and those people who didn't give a fuck.

So in short the violated liberties we have today in America came from a minority group who valued FREEDOM.

I don't know about you guys, but i don't feel so bad seeing how true liberty seems to be a small scale thing capable of changing a whole country.

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Free State Project

Hello fellow liberty lovers,

I signed up for the FSP back in 2011 when I was in college and stupid. Now that the "Project" hit the 20k signup goal back in winter I'm thinking about moving to New Hampshire. I'm currently living in Baltimore and have lived in NJ and briefly Rhode Island for a time so New England weather is nothing to me (NH is actually LESS cold than NJ).

Is the FSP legit, or is it bullshit? I remember hearing a former Free Stater who is no longer a libertarian and who now lives in Taxachussetts claim the FSP has had so many internal problems it was almost dissolved years ago and many of the libertarians in NH are pretty much the "losers" who joined because they had nothing left to lose. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

I consider my views to be left-libertarian, similar to the people you see on C4SS although I'm not an SJW. I should fit right in if I decide to actually move.

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https://archive.is/25ddw

Why can't Russia have the best gubmint's road?

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So /liberty/, how do we deal with the Muslim question? It's obvious they will never respect the NAP, is this one of those circumstances where we have to preemptively violate the NAP? Remember, they outnumber us.

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Looking for a quote

Somewhere, I think here, I read a quote that warned the reader to beware of thieves who steal for the common good more than any other, for they steal you without their conscience stopping them. Anyone have it, in image macro form or otherwise?

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which sociopoliticoeconomical system has highest social mobility?

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Capitalism is dying.

Give it up. There will be no revolution, just a gradual phase out of private ownership of the means of production. Look around you, it's already happened. The capitalism of 1917 was much more free enterprise oriented than the capitalism of 2017. The USA didn't even have a Fed until 1913. The fed has existed for like 4x longer than you have. You can't win.

Do you know what else has happened? Living standards just keep going up.

You cannot stop this secular trend.

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Degenerates in the movement

How do we deal with degenerates like Leslee Petersen in the liberty movement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wrwQK6q1g

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Reason mag is shit

When did Reason turn to shit? It seems to be increasingly advocating more on the leftist libertarian side instead of at least being more balanced libertarian. Anymore the articles are focused on demonizing Trump or social issues that have little to do with the greater libertarian picture. The only good section is the Brickbats. Also, any other good libertarian publications I should be reading instead? I was thinking of subscribing to Libertarian Papers.

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What does /liberty/ think about unions?

I have strong libertarian leanings and believe in markets, private property, and sound money, but I also deeply sympathize with the labor left. Is there a way to reconcile these positions?

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What does it take to get banned from here.

JUST fuck me up, fam.

COMMIES RULE

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Bartering System vs Monetary System

Hello. I'm a Democratic Socialist visiting from /leftypol/. I'm not going to do anything stupid but a few weeks ago, I had a chat with libertarian socialist regarding which would be better: a Bartering System or a Monetary one. I have had a thread regarding this in /leftypol/ which I got answers from, mostly AnComs with a Bartering Preference although some said it would be unpractical today. One linked me a pdf regarding this topic, which I have linked. I have not read all of it but it does support a bartering system as of yet. So to wrap up, which do you prefer from a more libertarian point of view?:

>bartering system

>monetary system

>no system

and also please explain why.

I might try this on /pol/ in 4chan as well as 8chan.

Thanks in advance.

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Disrespecting muh flag

How do you deal with people who insist that you're being disrespectful when they're the ones idolizing the state and constant submission, /liberty/?

Pretty sure those "men who died" for that shitty flag would cringe at what it has become and what it represents, and would rather you not respect it, but when you try to explain this to some conservative normalfag, they get super pissed off.

Backstory: pissed off a community college professor at a championship today because I wouldn't take my hat off for the colors. Told him I only take my hat off for things/people I respect and he flipped shit before I could explain further/insisted on me removing my championship uniform because I didn't deserve to wear it given what the organization stood for. Proceeded to get even more pissed off/insist I was extremely disrespectful to him when I took off my jacket and handed it to him and told him to take it then since I didn't want it or anything it was associated with if that was the case. Got second place nationally for my contest. Have to drive up with him/sit next to him tomorrow on the airplane, and worried he'll make a scene, but not gonna back down on this one… If we are truly a Republic, we are bound to the rule of law, not submissive to rules and laws.

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Homesteading

After you obtained your land through your labor of homesteading or some other way. What prevents someone from taking too much land or from Oversteading?

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REAL PROUDHON HOURS WHO UP???

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what is your most controversial view that you hold?

i think that women should not be allowed to vote (they vote for big gov)

r8

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http://8ch.net/pol/res/10132882.html

I started a thread to goldpill /pol (bad idea, I know), but I'm having trouble with their national socialist bullshit, I need some help here.

- sorry

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Daily reminder that he did absolutely nothing wrong, IRL, Rapture would have succeeded.

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what are your interests/hobbies besides political philosophy?

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Privatizing Air Traffic Controllers!

Thoughts on Trump privatizing air traffic controllers? I know you all have seen The Goldwater news story up there. Sounds like a wonderful idea but I bet leftists will spin this to make it sound catastrophic.

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This thread is about the NAP and Free Market Economics in relation to Designer Babies, Sexbots, and Time Travel to the past/FTL Space Travel.

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Ideal Political System Thread

Rate my system.

Budgets are malleable.

I like pure anarchy with universal law to protect organisms on different tiers.

I'm somewhere on the boarder between Mutualism anarchy and syndicalist anarchy with my political views.

Also Hard science make the most objective conclusions, and I think it should expand its rigor to economics and government decisions if government have to exist.

Sorry for posting everywhere.

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Socialist shitposting

HEY LIBERTARDS, I JUST REALIZED THAT BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS PHYSICS AND DETERMINISTIC, WE CAN SOLVE ALL HUMAN PROBLEMS BY USING A REALLY LARGE COMPUTER! YOU CAN SEND THE NOBEL PRIZE TO MY HOUSE.

-t Every goddam socialist visiting this board ever.

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There are four democidal events that can be linked to Churchill. Except the Bengal Famine, all of these events I can link to Churchill for a certainty. With the famine, I'm 80% sure. Anyway, here are the events:

>Hunger Blockade of Germany in WW1

>Bombings of Germany in WW2

>Eviction of Germans after WW2

>Bengal Famine

Maybe there is more. I'm still starting to learn all of this. Anyway: Going by the lower numbers and assuming he had nothing to do with Bengal, Churchill was still responsible for almost a million civilian deaths. Going by the higher numbers, he can be held responsible for almost six million civilian deaths. That would put him just a league below that of Hitler, Stalin and Mao, but just a million is enough to earn him a special place at the table of historical mass murderers.

And that, children, is why the democratic peace theory is laughable.

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Hey Guys

Hey guys i just wanna say i love you all. Capitalism unites many people so much. Take care fellow capitalists

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Thoughts?

By the way, what is the deal with people saying capitalism requires constant growth of consumption? It's never really been explained.

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David Friedman

Is it just me, or is David Friedman a bit marginalized by his fellow ancaps? I rarely find him cited or recommended in ancap books. I've heard he and Rothbard had some bad blood, and that he threw a shitfit during a debate with Bob Murphy. I'm aware of his Chicagoan approach to economics (that we need a (voluntary) central bank) and politics (that gobber munt is not inherently evil, just ineffecient). Also, that he's utilitarian. Still, he has some good ideas and Machinery of Freedom was a breddy gud book.

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FBI, or just really stupid?

In the span of three days, we had two threads that were evidently posted only for their shock value:

>>58202

>>58369

Somebody know who the hell this guy is? I actually doubt he's paid for this, but even if he's just a le troll, I guess it's time we talk about this asshole.

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fuck

i lost my meme again

it compared condition of worker in ancap and in ancom

plox help i want to rekt come commies

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>another ancap or lolbert that doesn't own the means of production

geg

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itt commies and socialists which we admire and like at least a bit

i start

>michael foucalt

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Was brainstorming up things wrong with anarcho-communism when……………Poowawooo!

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when can i enslave someone in ancap? in ancap jails will be private, these will be places where criminals will work to pay retribution for victims but if someone breaks nap then i am not obliged to maintain NAP in dealing with that person so i can catch him and sell him or her for organs amirite?

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why the usa is the hotbed of sjw?

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can we talk about intellectual property.

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Hello! I hope you are having a good day! I am having a good day!

I feel free today.

Thanks to those working as allegiance to all.

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Considering the fact that most libertarians are literally pedophiles. What does /liberty/ think of pedophillia?

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Abortion, the Death Penalty, & the NAP

Abortion and the death penalty are two topics I see libertarians divided upon. I support abortion for issues where the mother's life is in danger or genetic issues, but I have a really hard time supporting the decisions of a careless and irresponsible mother. On the death penalty, if someone attempted to harm me or my family I would end their life simple as that. However, I have a hard time passing judgment upon a man when he is already subdued or possibly innocent. People in prison can change right? What are your views on these topics as they relate to the NAP?

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Open Politics

Small political server. All kinds of politics and political identities welcome. Current events/politics.

https discord gg u3fGkK3

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Libertarians, unite!

How many of you guys advocate for the more Trotskyist type libertarians? And how many of you advocate for the more nazi type libertarians? We seriously need to straighten ourselves out if we are to do anything truly useful. As I am seeing it, the future will be a battle between Nazis, Islamists and Communists, and that prospect frightens me alot. Unrelated Pic.

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ITT: We post the outrageously stupid arguments for the state, for collectivism or for economic central planning that we know of.

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What do we know about Honduras?

So Honduras is experimenting with free market zones called ZEDE. However, Honduras is having a major crime wave sweep through it and a Salon article is placing the blame, as usual, on these libertarian projects. Can any anon give me a bias-free rundown on the situation, and/or provide me with some good sources?

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/nightmare_libertarian_project_turns_country_into_the_murder_capital_of_the_world/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Economic_Development_(Honduras)

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Why should a worker support capitalism since the mid seventies?

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REMOVE REDS

http://pixelcanvas.io/@-127,-528

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if cultural marxism is not just a conspiracy theory why do not you edit wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

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Before the Welfare State

In the Golden Age of Fraternalism 1880-1930, close to 1 in 5 adults in the US was a member of a fraternal organization or mutual benefit society. During a time of an absent welfare state, these groups provided death benefits, health care, insurance, and other forms of aid to their members. In addition they often imparted moral values unto their members. Once the welfare state was created, membership in all these organizations plummeted, with many ceasing to exist. When people come to rely on each other voluntarily instead of on the government amazing things can happen.

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Okay /liberty/, I've been reading for a while and I wanted to ask: Why get rich?

Yes this is a serious question. Why should I get rich? Why do people get rich? Why would I need all this money?

This isn't a argument about monopolies or communism or anything I just got this semi-political question in my head and I can't rid myself of it. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for it in the long term.

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The difference between voluntary governance and aggressive government

How do you deal with the voluntary origin of certain states?

For example, many colonial populations unanimously wanted a state to be established - it was voluntary. They consented, their children consented and their children's children consented. This is not very different from the establishment of a government in an anarcho-capitalist society - people voluntarily fund an insurance company, a defence agency, a monarch etc.

At what point do you consider a government "aggressive"?

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6/14/2017 Shooting Discussion: Leftism Is The Disease edition

Discuss.

>Republicans were practicing for a charity baseball game between them and Democrats

>Gunman approached the field and asked if they were Democrats or Republicans

>Individual response that it is indeed the Republican team

>Shooter pulls out a rifle and starts opening fire

>Senator Scalise hit in the hip(?) and is lying in the field

>4 others hit, another Congressman, two officers and a lobbyist

>Shooter worked on the the local Bernie Sanders campaign in his area

>Had a Rifle and a Handgun

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Reminder.

Niggers should be kept out of any respectable civilization.

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Book Club

https://discord.gg/D5abG4

Starting a book club, going to gather members for a few days then start. If you lack the motivation to really get deep into libertarian reading this can help a lot to motivate you.

Come get educated with us.

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The Morals and Ethics of AnCap charity/aid

I'm not particularly wealthy and need money myself. I've managed to save 1K to acquire skills to move up in the income bracket. The issue is, my family (hell, my whole Eastern European peasant bloodline) is famous for putting itself in debt. They do return the money eventually, but I don't think I can keep doing this. They are only becoming worse with each loan. Should I abandon them? I am almost completely detached. I have no love for them. I do this because I am convinced it is right. They could all drop dead tomorrow and I would not feel it much, if at all.

Today a collegue asked for what to me is a serious loan, again. It is why I am starting to rethink my convictions. I sincerely have come to believe that it is my duty to make the change I want in the world myself. That I have to endure so that I may be rewarded with a better future. Am I helping, or am I making things worse by doing this? I am not without sins myself. If we do not help our fellow man, then who? I do not wish to surrender their souls to the State and the Collective.

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The flaws of the NAP

/liberty/, I cannot really understand how you think the NAP would be upheld. I understand not all of you are Anarcho-Capitalists (I lean left libertarian a bit myself), but it seems that such a majority are that this question seems needed. Do you think that people would abide by the NAP out of morality? Mutual respect? What would stop a company from invading a far weaker neighbour's property and annexing it?

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Why aren't you a Paleolibertarian?

you guys know most "libertarians" including many self-proclaimed ancarcho-capitalists are really a bunch of libertines and stoned losers, right? For those of you who have taken the paleo-pill, good on you for growing up. Shame on the rest of you.

Before you call me a nazi/alt-right, take the time to read some of Rothbard's paleo essays, Hoppe's criticism of the libertarian movement, and Rockwell's vast library of articles.

>Private property capitalism and egalitarian multiculturalism are as unlikely a combination as socialism and cultural conservatism. And in trying to combine what cannot be combined, much of the modern libertarian movement actually contributed to the further erosion of private property rights (just as much of contemporary conservatism contributed to the erosion of families and traditional morals). What the countercultural libertarians failed to recognize, and what true libertarians cannot emphasize enough, is that the restoration of private property rights and laissez-faire economics implies a sharp and drastic increase in social “discrimination” and will swiftly eliminate most if not all of the multicultural-egalitarian life style experiments so close to the heart of left libertarians. In other words, libertarians must be radical and uncompromising conservatives.

-Hans-Hermann Hoppe

https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

https://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

Stop being Hoppephobic

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/murray-n-rothbard/hoppephobia/

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does any of you remember anokchan?

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/leftypol/ econ vs /liberty/ econ

Alright /liberty/, I've heard you like economics. /pol/ is too busy with their race IQ jpegs to talk econ, so I'm hoping you'll be better.

Two economic manuscripts, "Wage Labor and Capital" and "Value, Price, and Profit" cover the absolute basics of Marxian econ, look there for the basics:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/ch01.htm#c1

Alright /liberty/, let's get a debate going: Why was Marx wrong about economics and your preferred economic model right?

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do you think pedos will not be discriminated in PC statism soon so that they will be able to adopt?

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Leftist Ideological Attraction

Why are some people attracted to left-wing ideologies? I used to think that it was just underprivileged people, but of course there are wealthy leftists. Then I thought that maybe it had to do with a lack of ambition, but that doesn't pan out. We know universities are left-wing cesspits with a constant flow of new recruits to brainwash. However, not every student walks out of college dressed (or undressed) as Moldylocks. Is there some innate desire to want to tell others how to live? Are they predisposed to want have control in their daily lives, so they seek to control others. Are people with OCD more likely to be leftists?

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/liberty/ Bedrooms

ITT Post Pics of /liberty/ Bedrooms

Hey /liberty/, I just moved into a new house, rate my bedroom setup? I plan to put in a bedside table and turn the other half of the room into storage space/a pantry. Also gonna put in a floor lamp when I've got time to move it in. Gonna put a cat post in the window, but for now he gets my gnarly hand-shaped chair. If I've got room, gonna keep my treadmill in here for the winter when it's too cold to run outside.

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Libertarian festivals

Has anyone been to FreedomFest or PorcFest, or any other libertarian festival for that matter? Are they worth it? Possible idea for /liberty/ meetup?

https://freedomfest.com/

http://porcfest.com/

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Robots taking jobs

Although, I'm all for innovation, i don't have a CLEAR answer for this problem.

I was hoping someone else had any input on this topic?

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Anybody have an idea what killed the Maya? Could it have been a change in government policy? I'm asking because I haven't heard this hypothesis yet, but that doesn't mean there could be no evidence. Historians are not usually also economists, and so they tend to downplay economic developments.

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Sovereign Citizens

/ourguys/ or just plain wackos?

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Anime

What do you guys think about anime? Is it banned here too?

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History: Rome

Thoughts on the fall of Rome, /liberty/? I've read about it today but not a lot, besides the fact that barbarians invaded at the time. Still, that doesn't mean the economy of the Roman Empire or other factors played no role. Mises claimed that they did.

Also, lmao at the decadence-theory! Rome had gladiator battles for ages and a long tradition of having complete maniacs as rulers, it's not like they invented being degenerate two minutes before the fall.

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/liberty/ 101

What would be the top 3-5 most important/central philosophical books on libertarianism/ancapism/nap/negativist liberty one should read?

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what is the difference between capitalism and free market?

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The University of Salamanca

Just a reminder that /ourguys/ started here. We've been keeping it anti-state, pro-property, and pro-market since the Renaissance.

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Ancap rap metal

/liberty/ you've been holding out on me. Just now found out about Eric July and his band Backwordz. Have to admit I am not the biggest fan of rap metal but it it nice to see groups like this springing up and spreading the message. Rage Against the Machine eat your heart out.

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Governmental Waste

US army loses $1.3b worth of weapons and equipment

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/05/25/13/26/us-army-lost-more-than-a-billion-worth-of-weapons-and-equipment

>Tens of thousands of assault rifles, hundreds of mortar rounds and armoured Humvees were among the equipment misplaced, Amnesty said.

>Pentagon: “We have a very good system of accounting for equipment and tracking it all the way but it’s never going to be perfect and there are localised inefficiencies.”

>$1.3b

>localised inefficiencies

Antone have more examples of governmental waste?

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I tried to create /truepol/, a Politically Incorrect board that came from the libertarian perspective, in contrast to /pol/ and /leftypol/ both of which have been claimed by socialists, and it let me essentially take ownership of a board that already existed, come give it a visit and let me know what you want done with it, or better yet, I can hand over the ownership to one of you, it's something that needed to be done, but not something that I feel competent enough to do.

Remember that the biggest problem with making a space for individualist thought is the O'Sullivan's Law, any movement that is not explicitly anti-collectivist will become collectivistic over time, just as 4/pol/ was seized by the nazis long ago, and 8/pol/ followed suit not long after.

A variation is the law that any movement that is not explicitly anti-gynocentrism will become gynocentric over time as well, the feminist opposition to legalized sale of waifubots equipped with artificial wombs stocked with designer eggs that were genetically engineered from her husband's own cells, and the nazi obsession with going back to the gynocentric traditionalism of the past, cannot be given a foothold here, either.

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i miss /hebe/ and /phile/ ;_;

tfw pedo-anarchism is dead

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Post top tier libertarian essays.

THE CLASSICAL LIBERAL CONSTITUTION

by claudio palavecino, lawyer and professor at university of chile

I have been repeating for some time that the liberal Constitution needs just one item. What would that one item? a very brief formula: "Everyone is free to pursue their own ends with their own. It will not be imposed purposes, nor will be confiscated their means ". That said, here should finish this column and i invite you kindly to continue reading the others.

But I fear that if they did, you would be, first, bemused and then also disappointed with that laconic communication. So I'll say a few things. Insisting, yes, as it has been said, from the beginning, the essential.

I titled this essay "a liberal constitution", which causes me some discomfort since it is an obvious tautology, an unforgivable redundancy since the Constitution is liberal or isn’t a Constitution. Said the same thing in another way: the Constitution or limits the power or isn’t a Constitution.

Liberalism is born and exists to limit the power. In this sense liberalism can be also called constitutionalism. Liberalism is born, not to limit all kinds of power, but political power. Or the power of the rulers of the Polis. Power is the ability to command the will of the citizens and threaten (with) and exercise (the) violence to reinforce those mandates. The only difference with the highwayman than waves his club in the air and tell us to deliver the bag are simply the limits, the rules for the issuance of mandates and the exercise of violence. That is when the Constitution is concerned.

If liberalism seeks to limit the power, is that its accept the power as a piece of information. We create a public power to restrain private violence. And here we seek a balance. Should not in any way for our liberties that institutionalized violence completely cancels private violence, or vice versa. So I am neither an anarchist nor a totalitarian.

Should not in any way to our liberties that institutionalized violence annuls totally private violence because the last stronghold of freedom is the individual and their ability of self governance. If you think about it, all the political legitimacy of social order rests ultimately on the individual's ability to stand the state violence without revolting. It is, arguably, a matter of patience. The self government predates any legitimacy. It stems from the feeling of attachment to what the individual considers his and inviolable. The self govenment not need to ask permission or recognize in a rule the legitimacy to act. Plainly appears when the individual is running out of patience. Like the hunted animal does not ask permission to repel its attacker. Man can again be wolf. From which it follows that the social contract rests on the patience of individuals. Yes, the social contract that so many miopics don’t view. The social contract we sign every day. Daily we accept the social contract to refrain from beheading the king. But it is very useful for limit the power so that politicians can know that, if is necessary, we can decapitate the king.

So, I repeat for third time: it should not in any way to our liberties that institutionalized violence, the public violence, annul completely private violence, or vice versa. The vice versa is the Hobbesian state of nature.

Contrary to what is said, there are only two forms or types of government, the government of the one and the governmentof the few. There is no way that all govern all, or even most govern all. govern in the sense of directly exercising power over all. Or governs us one or a few magistrates. Democracy is not a form of government, democracy is nothing more than the musical chair game of the oligarchies. One way in which the oligarchies alternate in power without bloodshed. I remember this because democracy appears today hypertrophied as ultimate source of legitimacy for all. The final court of appeal to resolve any dispute over how to exercise power over citizens. And especially because democracy is surrounded by a halo of goodness, as if nothing we should fear from a democratic government. But a democratic government is an oligarchy that simply was chosen in a certain way. Its title, its triump card is "Look, I got more votes", "I won the election." Democracy, when it works well, protects us from perpetuating oligarchies in power. We avoid the unpleasant task of guillotine them as did the old French liberals with their kings and aristocrats.

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So you guys are basically Voluntaryists, right? How do you deal with the fact that the world isn't a vacuum but inherently violent as humans need to eat, sleep, socialize, etc.?

Basically the owner of a farm (Kulak) has more power over individuals who don't have a farm. Since people need food, submitting yourself to whatever rules the provider of food sets up isn't really voluntary. Sure, you could argue to do homesteading instead, but this isn't the American frontier in 1850 anymore. There are white dots on the map anymore. Everything is owned by someone, even fucking Antarctica.

pic unrelated

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What crime is the boat-owner in this comic guilty of? Explain how it violates the NAP

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Liberstad

>ctrl+f "liberstad"

>0 results

how come /leftypol/ heard about this before any of you?

http://www.liberstad.com/

>Liberstad is a project which aims to establish Norway's first private city. In a private city all property is private and all services are performed by private actors. Liberstad will be a city built on the philosophy of anarchism, the non aggression principle and private property rights.

>Liberstad will not have a central council that decides how the city should develop. Instead, each individual citizen will contribute in their own way to develop the city, and thus making Liberstad far more exciting and varied than other cities.

>Liberstad will not be connected to public water and sewage networks, and connection to the electrical grid will be voluntary.

>Liberstad will be free from mandatory taxes and fees and you do not need permission to start a business.

>The only thing we ask in Liberstad is that you respect the non-aggression principle and private property rights.

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meta

The locked stickies are 404, I cant view them until a vol logs into his account and posts in them. You can delete the posts when youre done but you have to make them to restore the threads

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do you guys really like somalia?

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why arent you naztrot yet, /liberty/?

>free money for everyone, money = capitalism = good

>nationalist AND internationalist, kill kikes while have free trade and cheap shit made by chinese slaves

>hot girlfriend sponsored by private corps

>death to statist warmongers

>fuck niggers

hail hitner and stalin as the naztrot rulers and you'll be saved

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>/liberty/ says that Capitalism will cause quality to rise as competitors will have to improve the quality of their product

>Point to a low quality product that people keep buying

>/liberty/ says that product quality is only high as the people that enjoy it, and Its society's fault

Okay which is it

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https://80000hours.org/2016/11/why-the-hour-you-spend-voting-is-the-most-socially-impactful-of-all/

What do you think of this article /liberty/?

I think it's missing a lot of things somehow, but I don't know what

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Why isn't there more of this little guy? It's clear that, compared to leftists and the alt-right, us libertarians have the most underrated and underexposed memes, and I'm tired of seeing the same "CUCK MAGA PEPE" or "ORANGE CHEETO DRUMPFKIN" shit over and over tbh.

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If we use real life applications to judge ideologies, it seems clear to me that fascism, conservatism, liberalism, communism, socialism, libertarianism etc. are all massive failures. Social democracy just works. North-western Europe has the highest standard of living, putting libertarian subsaharan Africa (almost no government) and communist eastern Europe to shame.

Seriously, how can you look at this graph and deny that keynesian social democracy just works.

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DATA MINING THREADS WITH REAL EVIDENCE UPDATED

old thread is outdated, but you are free to check it out. this thread contains very updated information

I have been noticing a trend on all the boards of 8chan, which you should be typing in the address as https://8ch.net httpS←-

that there are tons of data gathering threads disguised as "I'm bored so whats all your info".

here are a few examples of data gathering threads. you don't think they are building a profile on you? this is disgusting.

one of the biggest reasons why shills are using datamining tactics is because they want to destroy anonimity. It's that simple. this all goes back to what became of 4chan. namefags. goons. globalist agent involvement in chan website history. the constant infiltration of our very culture. the invisible war. we are percieved as a threat. they expected gamergate to be their final killing blow upon us, but it backfired. now donald trump is president of the united states of america. we are on the winning side and it's our job to root out evil by simply telling the truth. the truth needs no lie to support it. the truth needs no propaganda. truth is easy and simple because you just have to tell it like it is. that's who we are and that's what we do.

anonimity is important because Ego clouds your judgement. Having your name attached to what you say makes you less likely to learn new things and change your mind. People who are controlled by their ego strive for consistency. A psychological tendency towards consistency sets you up to resist learning and evolving into more correct or nuanced positions.

Ego-posting clouds the judgement of others. Instead of considering the validity of the contents of your comment, users will bias their reaction to your posts based on past posts. Good comments will be unduly overlooked because of bad reputations, and bad comments will be unduly exalted because of good reputations.

The idea that online reputation raises the quality of discourse is an idea that has been explored by many. shitspace, shitbook, IRC, independent web forums, shitter, shitddit, shitcker news, shitdot. Do you know what all of these have in common? None of them provide analysis better than anonymous imageboards.

if you want to use accounts because you believe it will protect shills from hiding behind anonimity, then that is a false premise. psuedoanonymity in the form of online handles has NEVER stopped paid shills and enemy infiltrators. also, why do you think shills attack anonymous image boards with such a fevered rage? because anonymous image boards are where good real discussion and freedom of speech occur. freedom to speak and tell the truth is what liars and manipulators fear the most, because they fear losing their power and control.

If you disagree, there is no shortage of web forums more to your liking, so why don't you shills go fuck off and go use them where you can be judged by a name and not the merit of your argument? because there's no good discussion there. they need to come here where they will have an audience.

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Patri Friedman

Is he /ourguy/?

>He and his team are closet ancaps.

>Has the best strategy for creating anarcho-capitalist free societies.

>Knows the futility of trying to win the "War of Ideas" aka, folk activism.

>Said strategy involves tricking statists into believing seasteads will be run by governments when they'll actually be owned by non-coercive landlords, and will therefore be voluntary.

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Thoughts?

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In all seriousness, why is Right-wing Libertarianism becoming so authoritarian?

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Will people be allowed to buy and sell samples of smallpox and other highly infectious diseases in anarcho-capitalism?

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What does /liberty/ think about Rojava? Is that a socialist project you could get partially behind?

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please keep your retarded children off our private property before we recreationally nuke them, thanks

regards /leftypol/

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/liberty/ please hold me, I am scared

why did so many world leaders praise Fidel Castro after he died?

Where the fuck did we go so wrong? That reminds me of many people during and a bit after WW2 praising Hitler and the NationalSocialists.

It's like they almost wish they could expand the goverment as much as they did during their revolutions.

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You lack morality

Refuting your selfish individualism and cheating ways:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/the-ineffable-carrot-and-the-infinite-stick/

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jim stone 8 chan deaths revel

thought i leave this here as it says and i dont know how true but if true then damn …some 4/8 chans got fema coffin bad

""http://82.221.129.208/baaasepageu6.html

efink [6:16 AM] uploaded and commented on an image: foxacid.jpg 1 Comment FOXACID

ekim [6:16 AM] Ew.

cshaw [6:16 AM] i like it! wtf is it??

efink [6:17 AM] This is manna from heaven, kids.

[6:18] We have the use of an NSA intrusion package. We are going to find the thought leaders. the meme-generators. the shit-posters. I need a target analysis for reddit, twitter, and the chans by tomorrow 5 PM.

[6:18] You will monitor, identify, and using the FA [foxacid] software set we have, identify/dox.

cshaw [6:18 AM] that will dox them??

efink [6:20 AM] It will man-on-the-side for the anon boards and intercept traffic. We can use that for IP addresses and loading tracking software and magic lantern onto their devices. Once we have them compromised

[6:20] David? How many do we need?

brock [6:21 AM] I want 150 from 4chan, whatever you can get from 8. I want 1000 top reddit drivers exposed and I want content analysis for their posts. I want the people who are really driving their narrative.

[6:22] I need all that in a packet by tomorrow afternoon with lexical analysis, proof of compromise. I want clips of memes. I want to up-vote patterns. All this has to be inside the US too. We can't use externals""

rest of it at above site

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wtf

/liberty/ what in the actual fuck

were you commies all along?

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I tried to make a libertarian general on /pol/. :(

https://8ch.net/pol/res/9775874.html

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How does an anarcho-capitalist society deal with the dick cutting problem?

Somalia is the freest society on earth and yet both male and female genital mutilation are rampant there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU2Sr1l4Ifw

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Encroaching Government Thread

Local, State, Federal Governments, how are they encroaching in your life?

I'll start us off:

WA is planning to drop a Per-Mile travel tax on our cars. How will this be achieved you ask? Why they'll be plugging a device into your car. Oh don't worry there's totally a non-GPS option!

>Allowing the government to track your movements, either actively or passively

>The government wants to limit Citizen's freedom of movement to State approved methods of travel

>People are okay with this

It's almost enough to make me go full innawoods

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Is there any reconciliation of thought between libertarian philosophy and the developments made in the latter half of the twentieth century regarding continental philosophy, namely post-structuralism and post-modernism? Anyone here experienced enough on both ends to give a sufficient answer?

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imageboard songs

post'em niggas

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Does /liberty/ support people breaking the NAP if it eliminates people who don't believe in liberty?

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So /liberty/ decided to do one of my daily writings on the concept of liberty, how did i do?

Don't feel like typing it out and sorry if my handwriting is horrible

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The future of China

So I was discussing with a commie friend about how intervention from the goverment is always a bad idea, specially when it comes to the value of the coin of a country.

There are shit ton of examples of this going wrong, from the most recent Venezuela to the classic Zimbabwe, but this guy had to bring up actual China that has money that is strongly under intervention.

The issue is that China is pretty hermetic, so we don't really know what's the real value of the Yuan, but since China is doing alright it looks "alright" right now, so I couldn't really argue back.

What do you think about China, the way China works and how China will do in the future? Is the strong political influence of the goverment good or bad for the market?

Let's have a China thread.

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Goldpill Thread

Post goldpills!

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Objectivism and taxes

I know Ayn Rand was against ANY taxes, so how did she plan to fund the government?

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Evergreen College: Students go full Totalitarian

Some timestamps:

10:48 - 11:25

>President assures crowd that college will not cooperate with ICE

12:05

>President praises students for "holding us accountable"

12:35

12:55

15:45

>"Intersectionality needs to be at the forefront of this university"

16:05 - :08

>Students demand "Equity Forums

16:11

16:22

16:57

>Student beseeches president to "lead", to protect students from "the people who want us dead"

17:50

>Student berates president Bridges for sending an email "inviting all the wicked violence of whiteness… to… damage black bodies"

19:44

> President Bridges gaffes, says police will be trained in "anti-blackness". Students howl.

20:45

>Student belittles president "George" in goo-goo voice. Claims Evergreen police committed "hate crimes" against students of color.

20:10

>Student: "George" should make a list of those who refuse sensitivity training; "their names should be noted" & publicized to students

23:51

>Student bemoans "inherently patriarchal and disproportionate relationship in which you just listen to us".

32:40

>President Bridges declares that every person hired by Evergreen should undergo "sensitivity training"

34:18

>Student demands that cop who supposedly attacked students of color be presented before them at the meeting. "Where is [he]?

35:00-38:00

>Evergreen PD spokeswoman appears to defend actions of police. Meekly, politely explains. Is heckled and yelled at.

39:30-50

>Student complains about "being up since 9:00 AM". Someone shouts "Get the fuck out!"

42:48

>Administrators are berated for "charging 20 dollars for a GOT DAMN parking space!"

Around 43:00

>Bret Weinstein is noted in attendance. He asks to speak, is shouted down by the mob of student inquisitors.

43:30

>Student starts screaming, "YOU FEEL STRESS? YOU FEEL FUCKIN' PRESSURE? THIS OUR LIFE EVERY DAY!"

44:30

>Approval: "Mmm! That's real". Another student runs up to police spox & shrieks in her face: "WHY THE FUCK IS BRET WEINSTEIN HERE!?"

45:30

>Student complains, "You're tone-policing! What you're speaking is anti-black violence coded speech right now!"

46:00

>Political medicalization: "People are leaving really emotional and we probably have community members who need to be checked up on."

46:10

>Student at police spox, jabs finger in her face, shrieks: "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE COMMUNITY FOR US! SO WHY THE FUCK …"

47:26

>Person in crowd with what sounds like cerebral palsy screams at police spokeswoman: "FUCK YOU! AND FUCK THE POLICE!"

48:05

>Student: "The people of color in this room r afraid for their lives. I am a black woman before I am a citizen of the United States!"

59:42

>Student points at President & police spox, yells to crowd: "THIS IS WHAT FEAR LOOKS LIKE! WHEN YOU GOT YOUR BACK AGAINST THE WALL!"

1:00:35

>White male student asks for mic, is told "Sorry no white" by moderator. He protests, "But I'm mixed." She still denies him the mic.

1:02:45

>Student to President of Evergreen college: "OK, George, so first and foremost you're so fuckin' full of shit." Crowd whoops.

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Calculation Problem vs Knowledge Problem

In how far do these two relate to each other? Are they both equally valid, or is one of them a red herring? And which one do you like more?

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Objectivists and Libertarians

So what's the deal here? I got into liberty through the Rothbard side of things, and despite similar ideals of liberty and Austrian economics I understand that Rand's followers have more than a little disdain for libertarians, and vice versa. One Objectivist to whom I spoke had some beef with Rothbard and the Mises Institute specifically, I believe the example he gave was that Rothbard apparently raised a glass in toast every time an American warplane was shot down. From what I've seen this board is mostly supportive of Rothbard, so I was curious as to the other side of things. Why all the enmity between these two?

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Ancaps/Libertarians; would you be willing to accept a semi-socialist society?

Picture this. The revolution happens. The means of production are seized and union-operated, however, they still operate on a market. Businesses can still fail and go out of business, leaving them open for you, enterprising capitalist, to buy. There are only two conditions;

1: private ownership would be incorporated as a type of company similar to sole-proprietorship is now. By accepting full ownership of the company and it's products, you are also accepting full legal responsibility for everything your company does, including things your employees do within your company. There is no legal distinction between you and your company.

2: you must recognize and accept your employees' rights to unionize and to go on strike. There wouldn't be any formal regulations regarding safety procedure, minimum wage, etc (I'm making the, I feel, reasonable assumption that you would not want to join any labor confederations and that they conversely wouldn't accept you anyway) but your employees may well go on strike for better conditions. In the absence of centralized police, it's not like there would be much of anyone to stop them striking anyway, and even if you did use force against them or fire them all, it would be a bad reputation to rely on to get more employees later down the line.

If something about this proposal seems unreasonable (and I'm sure some part of it that I hadn't thought of does) then I'd love to hear it. I think that, at least as far as the state is concerned, that libertarians, socialists and ancaps have more in common then they don't, and that the economic differences can at least be compromised in a way that doesn't lead to Private Security Companies gunning down mobs of Antifa delinquents in the street. Just a thought.

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Is she /ourgirl/?