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Welcome to /liberty/!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!

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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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The weak should fear the strong

Regarding culling and "cruelty", I want you to side either with the girl or the demon. Them, I want you to think abot the laws of the realms, specifically the one around 12 minutes

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I don't think I believe in morality, can anyone debunk me from materialism into the NAP?

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post itt how will ancap look like

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Best Wilderness retreat?

Where do I go to escape the statists for good /liberty/?

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You have been the first board nominated.

This thread is intended to get

>20 person roster

>team emblem

>team uniform design

Let's have some fun

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is singapore /ourguy/?

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>if people are allowed to opt out of the public school system and buy private education, this will undermine the basis for others to keep enjoying the public system at the same level of quality

How do you counteract this argument /liberty/?

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is it just a conspiracy theory that war cancels debt?

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Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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What do you think about Milton Friedman?

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What's wrong with being a pedo, other than because the jews said so?

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is sociobiology the most redpill science ever?

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The Philosophies of Autism

"Objectivism is basically autism rebranded" - Sam Harris

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I've finally given up on /pol/.

The support for the obviously mentally ill Patrick Little is too much for me. I can't comprehend how intellectually stunted someone must be to legitimately think going out on the street and harassing random Jews is going to sway popular opinion in your favour. Then the guy wins 1.4% of the vote and claims he would have won if not for voter fraud.

This is so obviously insane yet any criticism is immediately shut down by 20 fags spamming "shill". It's over and it's done. These mindless retards deserves nothing but mockery.

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kelthuz on dtube


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OC dump thread

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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itt news that make you angery

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criticisms of Agorism

if you have any, state them here.

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I don't like teslafags, nor am i convinced of the usefulness of fully electric vehicles but isn't he kind of /ourguy/?

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The Rise and Fall of the “Freest Little City in Texas”

How a libertarian experiment in city government fell apart over taxes, debt and some very angry people.



>The abandoned cop cars sat in Trina Reyes’ yard for eight months. She wanted them gone, but there were no police to come get them. Last September, the police department in Von Ormy — a town of 1,300 people just southwest of San Antonio — lost its accreditation after it failed to meet basic standards. Reyes was mayor at the time, so the three patrol cars, as well as the squad’s police radios and its computers, ended up at her home. It was just another low point in a two-year saga that she now counts as one of the most difficult experiences of her life.

>“This is one of the worst things I’ve ever done,” she said of being mayor. “I’ve never dealt with such angry people. I’m washing my hands of everything. … I’m going to travel. I’m going as far away from Von Ormy as I can.”

>For the last few years, Von Ormy has been in near-constant turmoil over basic issues of governance: what form of municipal government to adopt, whether to tax its residents, and how to pay for services such as sewer, police, firefighters and animal control. Along the way, three City Council members were arrested for allegedly violating the Open Meetings Act, and the volunteer fire department collapsed for lack of funds. Nearly everyone in town has an opinion on who’s to blame. But it’s probably safe to say that the vision of the city’s founder, a libertarian lawyer whose family traces its roots in Von Ormy back six generations, has curdled into something that is part comedy, part tragedy.

>In 2006, fearing annexation by rapidly encroaching San Antonio, some in Von Ormy proposed incorporating as a town. But in government-averse rural Texas, incorporation can be a hard sell. Unincorporated areas are governed mainly by counties, which have few rules about what you can do on private property and tend to only lightly tax. There’s no going back from what municipal government brings: taxes, ordinances, elections and tedious city council meetings. Still, the fear of being absorbed by San Antonio — with its big-city taxes and regulations — was too much for most Von Ormians.

>Enter Art Martinez de Vara. At the time, Martinez de Vara was an ambitious third-year law student at St. Mary’s University in San Antonio, a local boy with a penchant for Texas history and right-wing politics.

>Martinez de Vara suggested a compromise of sorts. Von Ormy could become a “liberty city” — a stripped-down, low-tax, low-government version of municipal government that’s currently en vogue among the tea party in Texas.

>Initially, the city would impose property and sales taxes, but the property tax would ratchet down to zero over time. The business-friendly environment would draw new economic activity to Von Ormy, and eventually the town would cruise along on sales taxes alone.

>There would be no charge for building permits, which Martinez de Vara said would be hand-delivered by city staff. The nanny state would be kept at bay, too. Want to shoot off fireworks? Blast away. Want to smoke in a bar? Light up. Teens wandering around at night? No curfew, no problem.

>Martinez de Vara and his mother, Sally Martinez, along with other prominent residents, started the Commission to Incorporate Von Ormy. He gave Von Ormy a motto: “The Freest Little City in Texas.”

>Folks in Von Ormy liked what they heard and in May 2008 voted to incorporate. Martinez de Vara was elected mayor that November.

>In a 2015 presentation he gave at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative think tank, Martinez de Vara said that a group of people with no political experience took it upon themselves to do everything a large city like San Antonio does but at a lower cost. He touted Von Ormy’s ability to provide animal control services, a 20-officer police department — a mix of paid officers and volunteers — and an online city hall.

>“We were blessed with this unique opportunity to experiment with democracy,” he said.

>Today, there is no city animal control program and stray dogs roam the streets. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office patrols the town instead of city police, and City Hall resides in a mobile home with one full-time staffer — though that’s a step up from the dive bar where City Council met until the owner bounced them out. If you go to the city’s website, you’ll be informed that it’s still under construction.

>If Von Ormy is a libertarian experiment with democracy, it’s one that hasn’t turned out as expected.

What happened /liberty/?

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I was thinking about how in ancap the rights of individuals will be maintained by setting up the powers that be to be equally balanced so they're too busy fighting each other to bully the common man. Now normally people think that this will take the form of competing service providing corporations, but actually what if we could make it a shell government instead? Think about it. If we abolish government, someone else will try to take its place because of thousands of years of human conditioning. They have some kind of mystical attraction to authority. So we should give them exactly what they ask for, a government. But not a functional one, but a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy. One that's so tied up in checks, balances, and red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, and if you look closely, literally impossible to pass laws thanks to the legalese we will write into the constitution. We can create an intentional honeypot to attract all the corrupt politicians and moral busybodies to keep them safely away from the rest of society by promising a power they can never attain. Itt is a thread for throwing out ideas that can be integrated into the future world government to make it a failure. Ill start.

I think that the first thing that should be done is the construction of a pyramid scheme where junior politicians pay tribute to senior politicians as a "test of loyalty" but actually so that senior politicians dont get the idea to levy taxes to pay their salary.

Additionally, we should establish lots of lots of aristocracy because aristocracy invariable develops a superiority complex, and we can spin it in such a way that they dont feel obligated to contribute to national defense. Something like "the commons need to fend for themselves", but in actuality, it takes away their biggest pretext for collecting taxes.

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George Lincoln Rockwell

What's your honest opinion on George Lincoln Rockwell's free enterprise version of Nazism? In an economic sense, it seems to be very heavily aligned with a pro liberty stance as opposed to Hitler's socialist system, and on a social level, he mostly wanted to keep desegregation from happening, which was unconstitutional and outside of the role of government to perform on a private sector level.

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I am actually a socialist

What did Elon mean by this?

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Did the good guys win WW2?

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porn files deleted

So you've deleted some of my porn files. As I posted in this forum before, they weren't fetishisc, or they're so popular as such.

Porn forums are 3 clicks away, but so is /pol/ and its other variants.

Okay, I get it.

No nudie pics—I suppose you have a reputation you want to uphold; but swastikas, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTs, et al pics are okay.

After all, it's in the spirit of free speech.

and I was beginning to take a liking to this place.

It seems that /liberty/ is a sort of smaller version of /pol/

I guess I'll have to look further while cutting down on my posting here.

Until I post again—which might be days, perhaps a few weeks—fare thee well.

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Hey, I have a lot of free time and space, specifically a unused backyard, both a garage and the outdoors almost abandoned full of trash and wild plants, it's a literal waste, people could use it productively! Which is what I intend to do.

I'd like some ideias to make some money with it. I've thought about growing stuff, plants or fish/octopus etc and sell, but I got 0 experience (but time to learn), and I just don't know if it's even profitable because big companies are better equipped for this, I don't even expect making a lot of money, but just knowing I wouldn't lose any, even a few hundred € per year would be worth it.

Weed illegal here btw. There could be some legal drugs that I could grow/make (maybe some type of shrooms?) but I have no idea who'd want to buy that, irl I don't know anyone interested in such things.

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ok lets say most states should be abolished because they were set up due to stealing property of original owners

but who the original owners were? in europe loyality had land and maybe there were people with ancap thinking in feudal times and they were saying that we should abolish feudalism because it is based on stealing property of original owners

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So, did the free market allocate resources proving that a communist dictatorship is the most efficient form of government on Earth?

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Fascist here, fill me in so I can understand you all

So I consider myself a fascist and after a while of congregating with others like myself, I got tired of the echo chamber (as much as I enjoy connecting the dots) and decided to look to places that may or may not agree with me somewhat. I generally consider libertarians (particularly right-leaning) to be alright so I started there and here I am, hoping to understand most of you guys better and maybe we can have a chat. You don't have to answer all of my questions unless you want to better your chances of me understanding you.

I'm assuming that all of you are to a degree, against degeneracy of the modern world. However, a lot (if not all) of you promote individual freedom that's nowhere even close to the scale that I would allow people to have their freedoms to, and I think I know why. My philosophy to combat degeneracy is to either heavily discourage or outright outlaw what is deemed degenerate. For example, same-sex marriage. Since faggots are prone to transmitting STDs and abusing children much more often I would make it illegal for them to adopt children or get married for [wage] benefits to discourage that behavior in hopes of cultivating a healthier society. However, you may agree that faggots are bad, but you'd rather have them have their rights or may not even be for the government involving themselves in marriage entirely. So you could just easily force the fags off your property, but they can encourage the mentally unstable to follow their ways and eventually have a movement big enough to where they can fuck you over while giving you HIV and AIDs in the process.

What is the thought process behind that, though? Do you hope that faggots will eventually wither out naturally with no interference or do you not genuinely care? Survival of the fittest? Of course, degeneracy isn't just limited to faggotry. You got niggers that commit more crime, traditional (or sensible) family values being lost because of single parents, immigration that can set up language barriers and even cause hostility, and more. So what are your stances on those issues to be more specific? I think I might be getting confused on that part too. Do you hate faggots, niggers, and spics for the right reasons, but you wouldn't put any government barriers up against them to protect your people? What are the benefits of not setting up those barriers?

I know that for sure costs would definitely be lower because the government would have less reason to tax (or even exist) because they have less jobs to enforce, but I'd rather be taxed with money to keep the vicious migrants at bay because sometimes they can kill an innocent native or my own. That's extreme, I think you get where I went with that. Who knows, maybe I even misjudged your philosophy and got it confused with something else (and there's so many different ideologies that are similar to yours), but I can't get it.

I know for sure that there are so much economic benefits available for allowing a lot of things deemed immoral by today's society. However, I fear that people may abuse stuff like weed and other hardcore drugs because I've seen nothing but LARPing communists and degenerates smoke them and watch them leech off of welfare, and I'd much rather close the loopholes unlike you which would probably say that welfare shouldn't even exist to begin with.

Is libertarianism purely materialistic or just really concerned about individual freedom or both? I won't lie and say that I'm all for human rights because I believe that some people aren't capable of making smart choices on their own, but for example I'd allow people to own a gun provided they pass background and mental health checks, while you may not even want those checks being there in the first place. Why not?

There are so many more questions I have but it's like writing an entire fucking essay already, so I'll just leave you with a more fun question. If you needed a roommate to help you pay for your expenses, would you rather have a fascist or a communist as a roommate, and why? Sorry for any mistakes in grammar, spelling, or otherwise.

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/monster/ GET

Are chinese dragons actually more NAP-oriented than sneks? Southern dragon kun fu does revolve around only acting against your opponent when they do first. Pic unrelated.

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Are niggers people or property?

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How come ancaps everywhere on the internet are always angry retards? It feels like they are only ancaps to upset people with their retarded opinions. At least the ancaps here believe in something and don't just repeat empty phrases until in a bad moment they admit that they just want to kill everyone who disagrees with it but "capitalismally" which means they get to retain the moral high ground in their warped sense of justice.

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Does Trump Tariffs Doe

Economists gtf in here. What do you think is going to happen because of the Trump tariffs? If I understand the balance of payments (which I do not), then if the U.S. imports less from a country either:

- less USD outflows, hurting reserve currency status.

- less treasuries are bought, increasing interest rates and the deficit due to increasing payments on the debt.

- there is less asset purchasing by foreigners, aka less FDI.

What do you think will happen?

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Post /liberty/ themed music

I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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Long live Kek!

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"Living Wage"

So despite the "minimum wage should be a living wage" idiocy, if not for inflation since leaving the gold standard could the minimum wage actually sustain a single person with basic services in the United States?

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Open borders

What is your stance about open borders?

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Does it violate the NAP...

if I build a wall around your house and forbid you to break that wall because it is my private property?

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Doug Ford Elected Premier of Ontario, Canada

Is this a victory for /liberty/?

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Why do you have a right to freely exchange anything? You have no right to a market, you must get the consent of the market owner.

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About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older.



MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men.


41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide.


53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children.


Adult Gender Identity Disorder (GID) Can Remit


Sixty percent reported one or more types of severe child abuse.


The frequency of personality disorders was 81.4%. The most frequent personality disorder was narcissistic personality disorder (57.1%) and the least was borderline personality disorder. The average number of diagnoses was 3 per patient.


Persons with GID compared to heterosexuals have higher presence of PDs, particularly Paranoid PD, avoidant PDs, and comorbid PDs.


Evidence suggests over-representation of autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) and behavioral difficulties among people referred for gender issues […] As compared to non-referred comparisons, participants with ASD were 7.59x more likely to express gender variance; participants with ADHD were 6.64 times more likely to express gender variance. Autists have around 8x more GID and people with ADHD around 7x the average.


Clinical evidence suggests that schizophrenia occurs in patients with GID at rates higher than in the general population and that patients with GID may have schizophrenia-like personality traits. Conversely, patients with schizophrenia may experience alterations in gender identity and gender role perception.


Of 139 boys which had GID at the first study only 12% had it 12 years later, 47% were bi/gay and 41% were hetero or asexual.


Eighty-three patients requesting sex reassignment surgery (SRS) were recruited and assessed through the Persian Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV Axis I disorders (SCID-I). Results. Fifty-seven (62.7%) patients had at least one psychiatric comorbidity. Major depressive disorder (33.7%), specific phobia (20.5%), and adjustment disorder (15.7%) were the three most prevalent disorders.


There is no, zero, null evidence to suggest that it is neurological in the sense that you are trying to push. There is a mountain of evidence to suggest that it is a mundane mental illness, specifically brought about by other mental illness i.e narcissism or autism.

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>kill the tsar

>distribute land equally between peasants

>90% of peasants are idiots that don't produce excess for sale

>the remaining 10% are entrepreneurial and as a result become rich

>forcibly amalgamate the two classes under state control

>kill the 10% that knew how to run the farms properly as "capitalists"

>plan fails utterly and state has to import food

>some people are more skilled and talented than others

>however cannot allow them to participate in a marketplace as this would allow them to be rich

>set up nationwide system of redistribution to try and ensure that enough gets to those who are skilled while never allocating them to much so that the wealth is equally shared

>clever managers learn how to falsify reports to central administration to receive excess material shipments

>instead of hording currency individuals simply horde goods that they don't need to sell in times of shortage

>entire system is ridiculously slow and criticism of its functioning is forbidden

>ramp up military production to try and compete with capitalist arms buildup

>consumer goods production into the shitter

>food imports stop due to embargo


>some idiots half the world away think that this will still work again

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Universal Basic Income

I'm interested in the concept of a UBI as a sustainable alternative to the present welfare state and a possible tool for ameliorating the effects of machines replacing humans in intellectual and creative fields. I'm not able to find very much on the subject from right-wing or libertarian perspectives, however with the exceptions of Charles Murray thinking it's the best that can be done next to killing social programs altogether and Friedrich Hayek's persistent support of the concept. Most UBI advocates seem to be totally against that idea and want a free no restrictions welfare payout added onto all of the existing social programs with no reduction or reform of the safety net whatsoever.

Whenever it gets brought up in mainstream venues for discussion, the right-wing dismissal tends towards revulsion with anything approximate of the extant welfare state. They think of it as their hard-earned tax dollars being stolen and redistributed from them so that lazy manbabies can stay at home eating Cheetos, playing video games, and refusing to get a job well into their 30s. While I'm sure some enabling parents would allow their parasitic offspring to use their UBI as free play money for more NEET crap, wouldn't it be more likely that they'd have a better excuse to finally kick them out?

I don't believe it's appreciated how much a plausible UBI would actually total. It would most likely be just enough to stop a person from dying of starvation or exposure from not holding down a full-time job. The incentive to work would still exist for anybody who wanted anything approaching the luxuries and met wants of modern developed nation society, although I suppose some religious ascetics would be cool with living on rice and beans in a shitty apartment and praying on their beanbag chair all day.

The other problem I see is that on one hand people generally know better how to deal with their money than unelected 3rd party decision makers, but on the other hand I cynically expect various types of niggers to blow through their UBI on stupid shit during the 1st week and then fall prey to leftist demagoguery about the need to bolster or expand the program back into something indistinguishable from the present welfare state.

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Law code is fucked, are there US laws that let me take Liberty™ into my own hands?

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Why are ancaps so pathetic?

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so why exactly is stirner popular amongst leftists? he is so far away from their collectivist cuckoldry that his argument against property is based on individual defense of it. his whole schtick is antileftist. their equality shit is an easily definable spook since it is based on an obsession about others. are leftists just retarded?

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>hurr durr we don't need welfare or any kind of aid because charity exists

>billionaires give millions to charity, just cut out the state

>except billionaires get huge tax cuts for philanthropy

>in ancapistan where there are no or low taxes it's more profitable for them to just selfishly reinvest

>the state is literally responsible for both the benefits of welfare and most charitable work

Another ancrapper/libretardian tenet in the garbage. This is literally a board for intellectually impaired children.

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The Debt


>The Congressional Budget Office projects that interest payments on the federal debt will grow from $316 billion this year to $915 billion by 2028. Not only does the new debt need to be financed, but trillions of dollars in old debt will also need to be refinanced when it comes due.

>And then there is household debt. After the last financial crisis, American consumers made a concerted effort to save more, borrow less and pay off credit card and auto loan debt. But memories are short, and a decade later, mortgage debt, credit card debt, student loan debt, and car loan debt are all, once again, at record levels and growing briskly. Among the 38 percent of households with credit card debt, the average balance is nearly $11,000, according to ValuePenguin, based on data from the Federal Reserve. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau recently reported that, among subprime borrowers, credit card debt is up 26 percent in just the past two years.

>Finally, there is the debt that investors large and small take on to buy stocks, bonds, derivatives and other securities. That’s also at an all-time high.

>As Stephen Blumenthal of CMG Capital sees it, this is the “mother of all credit bubbles.” And with the Federal Reserve and central banks now bringing the supply and cost of credit back to normal levels, and with demand for credit continuing to soar, heavily indebted businesses, governments and households will soon be hit with big increases in interest payments. As interest payments begin to crowd out spending on other things, the economy will slow. We’ve seen this self-reinforcing downward cycle before, and it invariably leads to market sell-offs, loan defaults, bankruptcies, layoffs and, quite likely, recession.



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why does (((USA))) do it? first creating isis and causing influx of rapefugees to europe and now this

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Is zoning communism?

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Why don't you just follow the law?

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Ding dong ancap is here

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Flag request

Is there any draw fags, that could change the nazi symbol in the middle to the flower of life symbol. I want a spiritual ancap flag. The pics are just for reference, just make it nice looking and make it blend together with the flag, add the snake around the flower of life for extra flare.

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Would Free Software licenses be allowed in Ancapistan?

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Will the Black Market end the State?

There's this growing notion popularized by ancap Youtubers that when the the petrodollar collapses and/or the Fed raises interest rates, most of not all the dollars in the world will repatriate, hyperinflating the dollar and send not only the US economy, but European economies crashing down. The aftermath will send the population looking for assets to retain their wealth, most prominently cryptocurrencies due to their decentralized, nearly impossible-to-trace nature, and low cost and ease of use. This will cause the value of cryptocurrencies to skyrocket causing more people to put their money in cryptos creating a counter economy larger than the state. And because the state can't freeze or control cryptos or track who's trading with who, they'll be powerless to stop the counter economy that will create militias and private security industries to defend themselves and their clients, making the state obsolete.

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> On 10 June 2018, the initiative was "overwhelmingly" defeated in the vote, with approximately 75% percent of voters rejecting the initiative.[3][4]


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How will logs be regulated in an ancapistan world?

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ITT: arguments that leave you confused.

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A bit of light reading for the neetsocs lurking on this board:


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Markets are efficient if and only if P = NP


> I prove that if markets are weak-form efficient, meaning current prices fully reflect all information available in past prices, then P = NP, meaning every computational problem whose solution can be verified in polynomial time can also be solved in polynomial time. I also prove the converse by showing how we can "program" the market to solve NP-complete problems. Since P probably does not equal NP, markets are probably not efficient. Specifically, markets become increasingly inefficient as the time series lengthens or becomes more frequent. An illustration by way of partitioning the excess returns to momentum strategies based on data availability confirms this prediction.

Looks like we should have read SICP instead of the Fountainhead.

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Will the plan of making so much shit it becomes free work this time?

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Minarchist views on taxation

In order to provide for the minimum necessities, such as a police force, court system, and a defensive military; what is the fairest form of taxation? A sales tax, income tax, property tax, tariffs, all of the above, or some other option?

Is there any way it would be possible to fund this minimal government voluntarily? Donations could lead to corruption, and other things like lotteries probably won't be enough. What do other libertarians think about this?

P.S. I know AnCap obviously doesn't have this problem, but I'm asking specifically about a hypothetical minarchist government.

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leftypol poster

To the porkyposter who recently posted on a few leftypol threads:

Sorry you got banned. There are a significant number of leftists that would rather debate and engage opposing ideas rather than ban, but we don't control leftypol. That would be the toxic tranny who has killed our board. We could fix the situation if we had collective control of the board, but we don't.

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Here's a time waster


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here in europe in big cities montessori schooling is becoming more and more popular

i think it is s sypmtom of leftwingness of big cities because it presumes that grades are bad becasue pupils should be graded based on their effort put into learning and not on the result of learning. moreover they say grades cause competition and sadness. they say that children should learn from own initiative which is ok and nice but it can work in the few. they also say that rewarding is ok and punishing is bad - but they say that rewarding is bad in work because it makes you dependent on reward and you want more reward for the same thing after a while allegedly and you compete with ccoworkers. they dont notice that most people dont do their jobs because they enjoy it but only becasue they want to earn money i think. i got this thoughts due to today lecture and discussion in university and they said it would be the best when everyone would enjoy his or her work and not work just for material reward like wage or money and it reminded me of communism

also i noticed schooling here is going to be fucked up because future teachers (ofc mostly girls and ofc girls are mostly pc sjsw) are implementing or are going to implement the stupidity i told you about in this post

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good news itt

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Is this caused by central banking and big government or would this distribution of wealth be natural in a free market?

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libertarian quotations itt

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why is it economically ok for one person to rule a company and not economically ok for 1 person to rule a country/state?

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mises institute

Is there anyone else who feels that the Mises Institute's influence on the libertarian scene is not always positive?

I honestly feel that many of their arguments are bad. Not that they're always wrong, just fucking bad at getting the point across. I'll give you an example. The other day on twitter I saw a Mises tweet for an article describing the market as being "democratic" because you cast votes with your money. The problem is, someone with a billion dollars has about 999,999,999 more votes than someone who's living paycheck to paycheck. How is that democratic?

Now, aside from bad arguments, I also feel that the Mises Institute focuses on things that simply don't register with most people. Ron Paul was popular because he had a few simple points, based on easily understood principles and fucking hammered those points again and again. One of the big ideas was: the U.S. is running an empire and fighting foreign wars that don't benefit the common man. Even people on the left can agree with this. The Mises Institute rarely talks about this. When the entire world was angry at Israel for shooting protestors, Mises was talking about gold or something irrelevant.

I did a search on the Mises.org for a discussion of Israel. The only result relating to the state of israel was an article published in a libertarian journal back in the 1980s, if i recall correctly. Not a single fucking article about the Israeli state and its abuses on Mises.org

Another thing. I watched an interview with Jeff Deist and Ron Paul a week ago. Jeff Deist said he felt the best way to reach people was by focusing on economic arguments. Dumbest fucking strategy in the world. Why? Because nobody wants to lose their gibs. Tell them that the U.S. is an empire and oppressing and killing poor people around the world, people might listen. Tell them you want to put us back on the gold standard and gut welfare - people tune out.

I bring up this criticism because I believe that things like individual rights, due process, constitutions, free speech, etc are all pretty fundamental in running a civilized country. But both on the left and right people are turning against these ideas, for different reasons. What fucking good will it do us to argue for sound money when our basic freedoms are being stripped from us?


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AND 8CHAN IS THE ONLY PLACE ON THE INTERNET WHERE FREE SPEECH CAN HAPPEN. you try to have free speech anywhere else on the internet and you're banned instantly for having (((wrong think))) and (((wrong opinions)))





>"Sluggish schizophrenia was the most infamous of diagnoses used by Soviet psychiatrists, due to its usage against political dissidents." "After being discharged from a hospital, persons diagnosed with sluggish schizophrenia were deprived of their civic rights, credibility and employability." "The usage of this diagnosis has been internationally condemned."





























</b/ spamming

there is an active effort to shitpost and spam /b/ to death by posting low quality threads and low quality shitposts

these are not summerfags





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Anarchy: The Military Problem

A military inherently demands order and structure which is not voluntary, and fighting a war is mostly about pre-emptively killing someone before they have the chance to kill you. Not to mention that if an invasion is prevented, all the enemy has to do is lay down his arms and NAP would prevent the soldiers of anarchy from finishing them off. Ergo the state can always pull back, rebuild, attack again.

My question is: How can, say, a continent under anarchy hope to defend itself against a continent under state control?

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black and yellow cobra snake

this should be the emblem of ancaps shouldnt it?

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Can you call yourself a Libertarian while still seeing that might invariably makes right more often than not?

I take issue with the concept of inalienability. Let us take the right to free speech as an example. Most liberally minded folks, including the founding fathers, regard this as an inalienable right - a right that cannot be gifted or taken away, a right that is with you from birth, from which you cannot be separated without first losing yourself.

However, as we have seen, the right to free speech can easily be constrained or otherwise dissolved entirely by a sufficiently advanced state. Advocates of the idea of the “inalienable right” counter this by stating that, while a right may be prevented from being put into practice, you still retain that right in yourself. You still have a right to free speech because free speech springs from freedom of expression, which is apparently a vital part of what it means to be human; you may be prevented from using the right to expression, but, so long as you remain human, you retain the right in itself?

But can you really claim to have a right if you are unable to uphold them? Rights only have meaning if you are able to put them into practice. The concept of free speech may exist in abstract, but in order to have a right to free speech, you need to exercise that right, because rights only exist as an exercise, which necessitates some degree of might.

This leads me on to a secondary problem I have with the distinction between negative and positive rights. Negative rights are supposedly inalienable because they exist in the absence of activity, while positive rights require protection to be real because they rely on action. Free speech is considered a negative right because it is the right of the individual NOT to have what they say be inhibited or punished in a legal context. The right to police protection is considered a positive right because it requires individuals separate from yourself to get up off their asses and actively start providing you with security. But is this not a question of semantics? All rights, whether negative or positive, rely to some degree upon the duty the individual feels to bring them to fruition - duty is an inherently protective practice that sees the individual take on responsibility in order to vouch for the thing itself - all rights therefore rely on the activity of protection to bring them about. Might is the only real eternal, the only principle that is truly inviolable.

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GDPR discussion thread

Before the shitposters come REEEEING at the link, no, he is not /ourguy/. Most other videos explaining it omit everything that might sound objectionable. So, discuss. What is it and how it affects people?

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what activities can I do?

what do you do?

what can humans do?

I don't understand what should I do. I already eat food, water. What else should I do?

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Which of these is the libertarian option?

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Why are all city building and strategy games so inherently communist?

Almost every one of them is exactly the same:

>tax people for money

>manage resources yourself

>provide for everyone's needs

>centrally plan everything

I feel like this is one of the reasons so many millenials (especially /pol/) are so socialist, because they were raised on games like these and then they feel like the economy is SimCity-tier shit that some bureaucrats in an office could easily and effectively manage by calculating exactly how much of a commodity millions or even just thousands of people need better than they do themselves, thereby solving poverty.

>inb4 but if games were about letting go and letting the market do its thing, then you would be watching a simulation and it wouldn't be fun!

Now I'm sure there's a lot of challenges and other gameplay mechanics that could be introduced to make the game fun, but if someone wants to be a total commie in a game then would it be so bad if the markets in these games were at least a bit more realistic so that you could build socialism on top of an existing capitalist system like comrades Marx, Lenin and the rest of the gang intended, and see how your system works? (protip: it won't)

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Libertarianism Outside the US

Has anybody been following right libertarian movements outside the States? I hear Brazil has one going now while Canada and Australia have a few small parties in office but they are not mainstream.

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czechia is one of the most uncucked european countries

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what is the ancap position on piracy?

is going on putlocker or downloading a game off some shady website a form of counter economics? or do these actions violate the NAP?

is IP a legitimate form of property? or is it just the state trying to kill off fair competition?

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Meta Thread

Can we get rid of the communist flag, /leftypol/ flag, social democrat flag, ancom flag, and any other flag that's not associated with libertarianism? These basically act as an incentive for lefty shitposters to avatarfag and LARP as contrarian 'revolutionaries'; the option to mark themselves and advertise their differing opinion is a way for them to bait others into replying. I believe this measure would serve to greatly reduce the number of "muh roads" and "lol ancap is feudalism" posts shitting up the board without actually banning the expression of different opinions, which the BO appears to be against.

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/liberty/, it is getting harder and harder for me to socially be a libertarian. And of all the things that puts me on the precipice, to think it would be a John Oliver video.

I just can not believe that you can look at a country that is now scoring in economic freedom at around Cuban levels, and say that socialism isn't the problem, and that the socialism in Venezuela "Just wasn't implemented properly." That level of denial is a level that proves to me that discourse is not tenable with a socialist.

Someone start up the rotors and reincarnate Pinochet. This shit has me livid. Discourse and free speech has failed.

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Radical Feminists Never Understand Men


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Would it be worse or better to have tariffs provide funding for government instead of taxes?

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Imkampfy -FINALLY- removed

Porchmonkey finally removed imkampfy, apparently. >>>/pol/11619182

It's about a year or two too late, but still nice to hear. Let's watch them self-implode now.

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i fucking love based korwin


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>surely there's some way to form an actually moral government

>but forcing someone to pay for a government is immoral when they don't utilize any government services

>then just make it so people can choose not to pay taxes and receive no government services

>but now the government isn't even a government, just another private service

>surely there's some way to form an actually moral government

I've been stuck like this for a while. My main concern is that with no government, children abused or abandoned by their parents are stuck relying on the kindness of strangers. I know the government is ineffective by nature, but surely there's something that can be done?

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should there be any non-private gun laws in free society at all?

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Do you even

watch the Ron Paul Liberty Report? I feel like most people don't know about his youtube channel.

In other news, vault-co is ded. RIP golden baby.


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According to Robert Kiyosaki, a good measure of how wealthy you are is how long you're able to live with your current funds if you quit your job today. Does this mean most first-worlders who work and depend on wages for their survival are objectively poorer than African farmers who live off their own land?

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>bad news

>stock market oversells

>immediately buys back the next day

>cycle repeats

I thought the market was supposed to be efficient?

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The Unspoken Truth behind school shooters


"beta uprising" and why the mainstream media is so focused on portraying school shooters as mindless non-humans who did it for absolutely no reason other than because they are crazy while simultaneously using this as anti-gun and 2nd amendment destroying propaganda.

I have noticed an ongoing theme to the school shootings in the usa; specifically the shootings that involve the shooter being a student who actually went to that school, how the mainstream media decides to report/USE it, and how the school systems seem to respond to it.

it always appears the same way.

>breaking news! serious bad happenings!

>shots fired at local school!




>come on news! release more information!

>we regret to say that X amount of people are dead

>suspect is believed to be (evil bad person who did this for no reason's name)

I'm not saying that what the person did was right, it was very wrong indeed but follow me for a moment with this.

>and then endless reporting for months on why guns are bad and how that "this school is a gun free zone" sticker on the schools door TOTALLY stopped the shooter

>then a bunch of talk about how the family was this or that and how the shooter had mental issues (but lets leave out that they were all high on prescription drugs that increase the risk of suicidal thoughts and destroy learning! thanks doc!) https://archive.is/L9opF

and then finally in late 2016 things coming out like

>"how to notice a potential beta uprising"


>"how to notice the early warning signs for some person completely freaking out and doing something horrible"

but then the hypocracy of the whole thing hit me like a train; "why the fuck are teachers and students being told that they should learn how to recognize the early warning signs of the very monster they all contributed in creating?"

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>racism is real because you can see it in people being racist

if sjw assume upper statement is true then they must assume sentence below is true as well

>god is real because you can see it in people being religious/having relevations

am i right?

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Why wouldn't it be okay to violate in the N.A.P. in a situation in which its violation creates more aggregate happiness? An example would be, like, a scenario in which the state had to torture someone to save lives. Or you had to make someone move their house to build a highway that many people would like. Just any scenario like that. Discuss.

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OC Thread

Some OC I made a while ago. Enjoy!

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>when u understand basic economics for the first time

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Let's clear up what anarchy is

Anarchy is:

>No government

>No transactions

>No employment

>No hierarchy


>No religion

>No racism

>No democracy

>No commune

>No principles

>No rules

We do not obey these things, we want to be completely free

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The U.K.

/liberty/, why do you think the U.K. has fallen so far? What with the knife ban, grooming gangs, crazy speech laws–what do you think was the tipping point where it all began to fall apart?

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Desničari u pubu


Dakle za one koi ne znaju, veće nekoliko tjedana srijedom se odvijaju desničari u pubu u Zagrebu. Jako zanimljiv događaj koji organizira Generacija Obnove. Na tom događaju se uzimaju razne teme o kojima se onda raspravlja. Nema cenzure, nema glupih diskriminacija ili nešto u tom smislu. Ove srijede, tema je Pravo posjedovanja oružja u Hrvatskoj. Zaista zanimljiva tema, pa dođite.

Ako ima itko ikakvih pitanja oko te nove desnice u Hrvatskoj, tu sam.

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I'm soon going on a long trip, what are the best episodes of the Tom Woods show to keep myself company?

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my friends told me they would rather like drugs to be legal and taxed because then they would have certainity that drugs are of ok quality as opposed to nowaday situation when you cannot get legit information about quality of drugs (unless you buy in TOR)

what should i have replied?

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good news everyone

next version of the shill guide is out

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Can we privatize this shithole? It was a great place for industry 100 years ago, why can't it be revived again?

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Are white blood cells an illegal extension of the state?

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>debating natsoc friend

>holding my own pretty well

>follow up some point with another about how he can have his ethnostate by forming a gated community in ancap

>tell him if you dont like the rules of one community, you can easily move to another

<"but isnt that already how countries work?"

>"uhh… what?"

>he then goes on to theorize that the world is already ancap because countries are communities that you can voluntarily associate with

I know that's wrong, and I know some basic reasons why, such as the fact that it's too difficult to change nations for it to be viable, and the fact that nation states are too large and inclusive to build culturally homogeneous societies, but that doesnt really hold up in a debate. It sounds like I'm making excuses. Please help me articulate into words why the current world stage isn't already ancap, and help me find a definition for ancap that excludes this sort of predicament.

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Hey guys I really want to become an anarcho-capitalist but I don't have any mental illnesses. Can you recommend me any methods to induce enough brain damage in me to take ancaps seriously that's relatively painless?

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Since states keep growing their power and the less restrictive party only ever pauses, not reverses, the encroachment of the state, which party do you vote for if the libertarians cannot win? The centralizing one to accelerate the demise of the bureaucracy, or the moderating one?

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/pol/ finna bout to get dabbed on



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/pol/ bans the word nigger

Did the authority worshipping nazis finally implode on themselves? Even /leftypol/ has more freedom than them.

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What if the PMC I hired turns on me and robs me instead?

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just leaving it here

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is it ok with NAP if i get social benefits in amount not higher than i paid in taxes?

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look what i found today in wealthy district


i checked that website and they turned out to be mutualists/leftwing libertarians or just commies, maybe several of them are indeed agorists, idk

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Where's your god now?

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An Apology for the FED

Institutional arrangement 1

>FED is maintained.

>Financial corporations have induced regulatory capture over the FED.

>Not ideal, but at least financial corporations have a large incentive to ensure that the U.S. maintains a currency that is relatively strong compared to other nations.

Institutional arrangement 2:

>FED is abolished.

>Great, now the U.S. Congress is in control of the money supply.

>B-b-b-but the constitution says that only gold and silver may–

>Congress ignores that as it does the rest of the constitution.

>Hyperinflation in 3…2…1…

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The Incel Question

Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society? Are they products of a nanny-state culture? Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Final question: Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim?

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Behold, the anthem of libertarianism!

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Posting this on /liberty/, because this has doubled my desire for a private court system.

> A Georgia jury has awarded an eye-popping $1 billion verdict against a security company after an apartment complex guard was convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl.

>Zachary, who was 22 at the time of the rape, should never have been hired because he wasn't licensed to be an armed guard, Stewart said.

>The judge had already determined the security company was liable, so the jury was only determining damages, Stewart said. After reading the verdict, Stewart said, jurors immediately left the jury box — without waiting for the judge's permission — to hug Cheston and her mother.

>Verdicts in the tens of millions of dollars, or even hundreds of millions, are not uncommon, Jeff Dion, director of the National Crime Victim Bar Association said in an email. But he's never heard of a $1 billion verdict in a case with a single victim.


1 billion dollars. Think about that for a second, 1 BILLION dollars. That's the price of heart bypass surgery for 8500 people. A group of ~10 US adults deemed competent enough to perform as jurors sat down, listened to the case, and said "Yeah, a billion sounds right." Even if this is successfully appealed, and the amount is dropped to "just" 10% of its current value, that's still an absurdly high amount of money.

I'm not trying to make light of rape, but the moral hazards here far outweigh the potential benefits. In the US, if you had one million dollars, you would never have to work again in your life. So very clearly, the magnitude of the award has nothing to do with the woman's well-being; it's about making a "statement". And this statement will be heard by every single con-artist in the US. The judicial system has effectively elevated women to an existential liability for any non-Fortune-500 company, while simultaneously requiring them to artificially inflate the female/male ratio.

You can't even argue, "Well, spending money isn't necessarily a zero-sum game" in these cases; this isn't a profit-seeking investment.

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what do you think about psychiatry and antipsychiary? is it ok to coerce someone into treatment if someone is hallucinating? can i kill trespaser if he or she is sleepwalking? is adhd real?

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Should animals have legal rights against cruelty by humans?

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Why are non-whites incapable of libertarianism?

As far as I've seen, only white people have been able to invent and adopt voluntary principles, whereas Africans never progressed beyond glorified bandits that plundered and enslaved their neighbors for a living and Asiatic bugmen literally worship their totalitarian Oriental despots as living gods. I'm not a Nazi /pol/tard, but I'm starting to think that global white supremacy really is the only means of ensuring a truly free world.

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How would an ancap society deal with the queer menace?

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who was better

malolm x or martin luter king?

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Communism is anti-thetical to meritocracy because there's no point being good at anything if everyone is going to receive the same moldy government bread from the breadlines. that's why incompetent, unpleasant people are all communists. in a capitalist society, these people would all starve to death.

No, wait, in captalist societies they would actually have free food, it's in captalists system that they would starve - together with everyone else but the kikes.

Shit is so backwards it makes ancap look logical, which is saying a lot since even pure anarchism is more logical.

Prove me wrong.

You can't.

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guys I found something really big

they're following me around, trying to shut me up, trying to silence the truth.


most updated image says "postado updato"

it's all tied in to politics and religion and their attempts at controlling humanity.

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Was man created free or a slave?

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fringe/ancap spiritual community

Im making a fringe/spiritual ancap community. Because I have already made a thread on fringe.

I will mostly reply to questions from there.


You dont need to pay to join, you only need to send me a application form. Most questions have already been answered on fringe.


Also could somebody photoshop a anarcho spiritual flag, like ancap flag but with the flower of life in the middle, because thats explains what my community is basically.

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How does it feel knowing that one of the founding fathers is a proto-communist?

>Why . . . does Mr. Burke talk of this House of Peers, as the pillar of the landed interest? Were that pillar to sink into the earth, the same landed property would continue, and the same ploughing, sowing, and reaping would go on. The Aristocracy are not the farmers who work the land . . . but are the mere consumers of the rent.

>Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came.

>if we examine the case minutely it will be found that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labour that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence.

>he states, “There are two kinds of property. Firstly, natural property,” in the land, air, and water of the earth, which the Creator gave all humanity an equal right to, and, secondly, “artificial or acquired property,” the products of labor of which “equality is impossible,” since that would require “that all should have contributed in the same proportion, which can never be the case.” He states, “Equality of natural property is the subject of this little essay. Every individual in the world is born therein with legitimate claims on a certain kind of property, or its equivalent.”

/liberty/ BTFO

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Are Libertarians the true chads?

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what is going on now in libertarian scene of your country?

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Is there a libertarian or at least politically neutral version of the Authoritarian Personality?


This is something that exists, but the Adorno book is slanted towards a particular style of politics.

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Incels are the sex proletariat. Your bourgeois rhetoric creates false consciousness that owners of means of reproduction should retain their monopoly on sex. Women should redistribute sex to those in need. "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

I see no problem with this logic.

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Apartment complexes

How can ownership be managed in apartment complexes? How likely would it be that flats there would be only rented, not sold? How is maintenance cost managed?

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How do you beat an insurgency?

With the Syrian army wrecking ISIS in Yarmouk recently, it made me think.. how exactly do you beat terrorists that:

>Hide in civilian buildings, hospitals, schools, holy places..

>Dig and entrench themselves

>Build extensive tunnel networks

>If a house gets shelled, just retreat to another one

without completely bombing civilian infrastructure? Surely there has to be a way to beat insurgents/terrorists without turning every battle into Stalingrad.

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>muh property

>muh helicopters

>muh freedom of speech

>muh free market

>muh race

How does it feel to know that you're always going to be cucked by spooks fam?

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>/soyboypol/ wins

Will /liberty/ ever recover?

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In a pony-human relationship; who is master, who is property, and who is free?

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How does ancapistan project naval force?

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What do you think about Lenin's analysis of crony capitalism (imperialism)?

>Economically, the main thing in this process is the displacement of capitalist free competition by capitalist monopoly. Free competition is the basic feature of capitalism, and of commodity production generally; monopoly is the exact opposite of free competition, but we have seen the latter being transformed into monopoly before our eyes, creating large-scale industry and forcing out small industry, replacing large-scale by still larger-scale industry, and carrying concentration of production and capital to the point where out of it has grown and is growing monopoly: cartels, syndicates and trusts, and merging with them, the capital of a dozen or so banks, which manipulate thousands of millions. At the same time the monopolies, which have grown out of free competition, do not eliminate the latter, but exist above it and alongside it, and thereby give rise to a number of very acute, intense antagonisms, frictions and conflicts. Monopoly is the transition from capitalism to a higher system.


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People don't want and don't deserve freedom anyway, so what is the best and most realistic course of action to free our societies as much as possible?

Look, I'm all for imagining utopia and perfect things, I'm all for compare freedom cocks, but we're losing freedom everyday in all the west. I will settle for more freedom than we have today, but what could be done?

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What are your thoughts about the “AOC”?

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>we should legalize weed so we can tax it

>taxation is theft

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love for my ppl

love for my ppl

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why are most artists sjws?

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Random Image Dump

It's like a regular image dump, but random.

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What is in Anarcho-Capitalism that makes it hard to argue against? I haven't seen a good counter-argument to it that isn't some unrealistic hyperbole that is theoretically possible (from what I'm aware of), but is extremely unlikely. This is from an outsider.

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Only real men and people of good character want freedom. Parasites, retards and losers want totalitarianism.

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Credit Unions

Are they any good as central banks won't lend to them?

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Revenge of the Saltmines -

Truly-American meme war! Roblox is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless anti-meme Lord, George Soros. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

The song dives into a college student suffering from Donald Trumpism, worst disease of it's kind. Donald Trump has won the presidential office and is taking names. Crybaby is left in a constant state of sadness, only aided on by her school classmastes.

The only way to absorb the full meaning of my video is to…


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If somebody's too retarded to understand the contract they are signing, is it enforceable?

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Anarcho-Transhumanism Thread

(Why is there no anarcho-transhumanist flag?)

It seems to me that technology is the only way to achieve true anarchism. I know a lot of anarcho-transhumanists/antechs are leftist, but honestly technology could lead to the means of production becoming robots that are cryptographically verified as belonging to you, so private property would be able to defend itself. Capitalism is an economic technology itself. I think in the future, we could all be capitalists and design shit and then use our personal robot workers to make stuff to sell to each other, in a totally mutual capitalist economy, and there would also be a lot of things people could make with 3D printers/additive manufacturing machines once they get really advanced. Sounds absurd now, but with how fast companies in China are automating shit, it's the long term trend and it seems like it's not super far off now. Some statists are starting to use this to argue for ubi or even communism, but I think the end of direct work will actually involve widespread advancement into everyone being capitalistic. Even now a lot of people work from their computers, a means of production they own.

Another thing is that with full automation welfare wouldn't be needed, because charity would become exponential (sort of, it would be limited by resources and land obviously), since as soon as you can get a human level robot and a super-advanced 3D printer, you get free income from the capital you own, and can then use that to gather resources and energy to build more robots, so everyone's living standards would shoot way up, and things would get pretty comfy.

The primary sticking block to anarcho-capitalism is that most people are too weak for it, but with technology that could change, because things would be a lot cheaper, and there would be high levels of automation, but potentially down the line due to transhumanism meaning that rugged individualism doesn't involve a massive culling of people who aren't rugged enough for it. That's the only way I can see the majority of the public eventually coming round to anarcho-capitalism and slowly abandoning statism, because most people want to be free, they are just too weak and frightened to be anything but slaves to politicians.

Obviously, wealth inequality would increase massively with transhumanism, but none of that shit matters if living standards as a whole rise massively, and the incapable are able to gain new capabilities through technology.

So, I think we'll have to wait a while until an anarchist society is likely, but in the meantime we should probably make sure that we at least push back against centralized militaristic government so that we don't get some kind of skynet scenario due to the military industrial complex. Statism would make AI more dangerous because it would centralize it and put in control of more things, leaving no counterbalancing intelligence. The libertarian party should probably promote upcoming technologies as solutions to the government problem. If you think about it, cryptocurrencies and existing (if shitty) 3D printers are just the start of that movement. That's going to be the successful way of getting libertarianism to be popular, in preparation for future technologies that make take us to anarchy.

We definitely shouldn't let commies monopolize the full automation meme, otherwise they'll be positioned politically to take over later in this Century.

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Confederate States Constitution

Was it better than the Union constitution? It allows the ownership of niggers.


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any other schizotypals here?

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"Libertarianism? What's that, lol? Is that just a fancy way of saying liberalism?"

Describe your political ideology to her in one sentence or less.

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What's the best book on gold?

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should we support abortion? even if it helps feminists' and socialists' and sjw's cause? even if abortions are done by money from taxes?

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How does /liberty/ overthrow the Fed?

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Healhcare Is Proof That Lefties Are Full of Shit (Once Again)


>Boomers continue to die off/retire/need healthcare

>Hospitals refuse to hire new workers unless they have 10 years experience for a part-time position

>The gap between workers and job postings continues to grow despite the increase in healthcare workers, all the regulations, etc.

How is healthcare not a perfect example of how there's plenty of jobs to go around and regulation is in the way?

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im going crazy

>be me

>start eating beans

>run out of beans

>go to market to buy beans

>crash into a family of five while driving to market

>realize they have gender neutral kids

>condescendingly tell them "uhhhh theres only 2 genders"

>run away laughing and priding yourself

>the family dies

>you buy beans

>eat beans

>run out of beans

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"Anarcho"-capitalism is not real anarchism

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What's the Deal With Mutualism?

Can anyone elaborate on this? Very interested on understanding Mutualism but most things I've read makes it very vague/broad. Anyone one more educated than me on this or even one of the few mutualists on here want to shed light on this and how would a mutualist society work in practice?

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Against Economics, Against Rigour

Seems like (((economics))) got BTFO once again:


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Post Critiques of Marxism and Dialectical Materialism

Please r8 mine.

also calcium

Marxism is a bankrupt ideology from the ground up. Hegelian dialectics offers no explanation grounded in formal logic for the transition from one form to another; it is merely a phenomenological framework for the way in which concepts evolve. Contradictions inherent in any proposition lead to the creation of a counter-proposition; both of these are then subsumed into the synthesis. Marx and his contemporaries' recasting of dialectics as a law of material nature and a tool with analytical power (diamat) provides the foundations of an ideology which claims that history is a procession of modes of production which are transformed as other modes come into conflict with them and that society is a 'superstructure' rising out of this.

Observing current and historical social structures or analyzing human psychology or using logic (game theory) as ways to create theories with predictive power is, from the Marxist perspective, invalid because the paradigm is subject to periodic and complete transformation; diamat therefore dismisses the entire field of economic theory in its current empiricist form as being part of the superstructure.

The fundamental problem with this view is that a dialectical model has no predictive power by design. In the words of Kołakowski in Main Currents of Marxism, "[It] consists partly of truisms with no specific Marxist content, partly of philosophical dogmas, partly of nonsense, and partly of statements that could be any of these things depending on how they are interpreted." You can only recognize conflict and transformation after the fact, and no direction towards which society moves is implied. Marxists assert that everything moves in the direction of increasing complexity (a claim that comes dangerously close to denying entropy exists), but no adequate explanation of why this is the case or a definition of what complexity is in the social sense are provided.

After creating diamat, Marx then hilariously spun around at gale-force speeds to begin making empirically falsifiable claims: that society has always been composed of rigid, stratified classes (a claim pulled entirely from thin air and patently untrue; see hunter-gatherer societies, which have been the most common way for humans to organize themselves historically) and that we will someday transcend this and reach a classless society, that relationships between classes are inherently exploitative, that what causes modes of production to change is specifically class conflict, his labour theory of value and so on. These theories are what have led to the disastrous economic and social policies implemented by Marxists and their descendants, but when this is pointed out empirically Marxists revert to diamat and claim that such analyses of Marxist systems are impossible because Marxism is based on dialectics (well, the smarter ones do this; most just trot out the tired meme of not true socialism).

In short, Marxism consists of two contradictory pillars failing to mesh together; dialectical materialism and a number of disparate empirical claims which lead to very dangerous political implications. By suggesting that classes are rigid and unchanging, Marxists create an 'us' and 'them'. By claiming that the relationship between classes is inherently exploitative, they create the justification for aggression against the oppressive 'them'.

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How do we fool these losers into becoming capitalists?

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Ron Paul is unusually pissed in his latest article. I don't think he's talked about rights like this.


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If you had a large deposit of gold (or another rare and valuable mineral), enough to establish a universal income based on a gold standard, would it make economic sense to do so? The issues with deflation in economics seem tied principally to centralization and don't seem like they would be inevitable in a different system. Since the cash flow in a centralized banking system is top down, with the central bank loaning to the big banks and those making loans to big business and smaller banks, in a deflationary environment as they control the flow of money and are subject to the same economic behaviours as anyone else end up hoarding the precious resource thus causing economic collapse.

It doesn't make sense though because economic value is generated by business interactions at local levels, and a loan granted to an organization or individual can't be held as valuable until it proves that its successful. The entire system has to treat loans as assets despite them being inherently risky, and as centralized and bureaucratic institutions are notoriously bad at making sensible decisions it ends up strangling economic activity because 1) they don't take risks when they should be doing so because risk has a chance of failure and centralization causes certain actors to be "too big to fail" 2) when they eventually make decisions they do so based on lagging aggregate indicators that don't accurately represent the state of the market and end up being too slow to reap the gains of growth or to dodge the bursting of a bubble

Since the present system of financing depends on very flawed actors making very flawed decisions, money can't get where it needs to go efficiently. Despite advances in technology it fails to empower the individual with the ability to embark on productive and innovative enterprise, instead it impoverishes them to maintain a broken international framework. There has to be some universal unit of credit that doesn't come at a cost to some institution and rewards pioneering action. The success of the United States in its history could be tied to the fact that it had a vast wilderness to explore, full of resources to feed growth for those daring enough to adventure into it: land, gold, oil, paying the dividends needed for ingenuity in railroads, manufacturing, electronics. Individual success, not self-serving managers, brought the greatest level of prosperity in the history of the world. And there's yet more to attain, if we had but the gut and a muscle of wealth to pursue it.

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Guys I need support because I don't understand this.

I found this channel about something called juche-capitalism, claiming that Kim Jong Un wants to enact anarcho-capitalism policies to fullfill the original wishes of Kim Il-sung, which was a fan of Mises and a capitalist before he was forced to make North Korea a commie state.

Extremely weird stuff and a really elaborate troll of weirdest attempt at propaganda by North Korea. In any case, I'm impressed.


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Seems to me that libertarianism operates off of the flawed premise that consumers will be eternally well-informed. Sure, I might nominally have access to the information needed to make optimal financial decisions, but how can I realistically do that? What kind of autist has the time to do in-depth research from reliable sources on every product and service they purchase?

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Is space-time inflation a scam?

>everything suffers from entropy and loses energy value over the course of time

>matter is increasingly dispersed and becomes less and less valuable

>universe expands due to "dark matter" but no one actually has access to its use

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>debase the currency and force everyone to work harder to justify its value while subsidizing failures that are ineffective at capitalization

What did they mean by this?

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/monarchy/ general ==AUTHORITARIAN EDITION==



Daily reminder to support /monarchy/ and understand that all enemies of liberty were revolutionaries and thieves, disloyal and dishonorable.

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How do we know the destruction of the low-income family hasn't been a good thing?

What I mean to say is, welfare benefits might have allowed low-income mothers to get by without drunk, violent, or abusive fathers who would have had a bad influence on the children. I'm not saying mothers don't also have those traits, but it happens to be mothers who almost always take care of them, so in reality it is the mothers who might be keeping out harmful men.

In any case, regardless of who's to blame, conflict between parents is always a bad thing in a house with children, so it's not necessarily the case that they'd be better off with the father in the house.

Of course fathers *can* provide a good influence, but this is not always the case, and it seems to me least likely to be the case in the lower income brackets.

Awaiting your thoughts on this /liberty/.

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Question to Classical Liberals and Libertarians of the minarchist kind.

What do you have in mind as solutions to halt the ever growing nature of the State?

And what kind of government system would your societies have in order to decide who to rule things, since it's pretty clear that democracy not only is incompatible but also a threat to a libertarian society?

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What the fuck happened to /liberty/

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what is the coefficient of determination of race on iq?

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Modes of Production

What does /liberty/ think about this video?


Marxist economist and computer scientist Paul Cockshott (yes, yes, I know it's a funny name) talks about what a mode of production is in Marxist theory. The reason I want to share this here is because it's less so dealing with the Marxists concepts /liberty/ fundamentally disagrees with (class theory, exploitation, etc.) but more about the material basis of how a mode of production constitutes itself, and how forms of power transmission are fundamentally integrated in the stratification of capitalism and it's social relations.

I thought it's a pretty interesting take on things even for non-Marxists, so what do you think about it? What, in /liberty/'s opinion, does he get right, where do you disagree?

Pic unrelated, I just needed a picture

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Sowell and Rubin

It finally happened!!!

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why does singapore get praised by some libertarians when it is a surveillance society with little to no free speech or free market and where you would be put to death for smoking weed?

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whats the point of this board? there are only brainlets here

without political diversity this board is pointless, just a bunch of lolberg 56% confederato-mutt brainlets whining about free markets despite never having opened an econ textbook in their entire lives.

This board is reddit tier quality, in the catalog I see a Dave Rubin thread. WHY ??????

I see no actual philosophy or economics discussed. Zero arguments, zero facts. This place is right wing reddit.

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If I explode myself in the name of freedom do I get 72 virginians?

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Can ancaps beat CIA?

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Do you agreed with them? Is the advantages provided by genetics and ancestors something wrong?

/leftypol/ said that genetics determine nothing.

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Found a cyoa great for Space™ Ancap simulation, for a few hundread years after we genocide the non-whites and white trash.


Also don't go to /cyoa/, place has been raided by /fandom/ and /trap/ for a long time now.

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Etymology of Capitalism

Marx coined the term capitalism. Capitalism was defined by communists. Why are we using vocabulary coined by dirty commies? Surely we should drop these communist terms such as "anarchist" "capitalist" etc. What vocabulary should be adopted instead, perhaps "propertarian"?

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Anarcho-Capitalism into Feudalism

What would stop corporations from evolving into states in anarcho-capitalism? Say a massive and rich business would provide free housing and pay for it's workers, the housing would be in the businesses self-interest due a variety of reasons, some of which are faster contact and work with workers, and power, this business wants to become the state. So, free housing and pay will be provided, this would be within the self-interest of the workers due to free housing and pay, this would give the business power until eventually accumulating enough power to become a state.

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How do you feel about the fact that America is more socialist than China?

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*blocks your path*

Wat do?


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The Abortion Question


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What do?

>individual fails to produce anything of monetary value

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The necessity of the state in a libertarian society?

So I've been reading Menger's lectures to the Crown Prince of Austria (pretty good crash course in economics, also gives historical context for that era) and he rises a few crucial points in the function of the state (lecture VII, starts at page 121). The gist is that the actions of one person due to shortsighted economic interest cause irreparable damage to others; cutting forests and causing flooding in the lower lands. But the thing is, it's not the action itself that caused damage (e.g. like a theft) but the result thereof.

Does the NAP apply here? Does it cover indirect damage that could otherwise be preventable? Because if we're going by the logic that is proposed by some libertarians - that the mere threat of damage like that of someone considering Communism is worthy of being justifiably expunged - then shouldn't the potentiality of such danger call for the arrest of the private property owner, as in, if he began just talking or suggesting doing it, or even begun but took down only one tree?

If the NAP is extendable, some ancaps may claim that if he caused damage he will be sued and other property owners will abstain from such actions in the future. But it will be irreparable damage, it could erase the livelihood of an entire population. Wouldn't in that case it'd be wiser to make preventative measures, like some laws under the threat of force like a government? Also from the text it is clear that it wasn't a one time happenstance, but recorded several times, so it's unlikely that after that one time it happens property owners would learn their lesson.

Please spare me that Menger had a conflict of interests when teaching, it is quite obvious he isn't an ancap and would support some form of government anyway.

Other than that, I'd like to know what exactly is the deal breaker for libertarians about anarcho-capitalism? What is the exact issue with it or why do you think it's utopian?

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Inalienable Rights?

Do you believe in inalienable rights? If so, how do you know that these rights exist? It's easy to say that these rights are inalienable and God-given, but can you provide any sort of evidence for their existence, or a reason why I should believe in them?

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AnCom vs AnCap Debate with Actual Philosophers and Intellectuals

Would anyone like to see an actual debate between Anarchist philosophers. Most of the debates I have seen between AnComs and AnCaps have been between "amateurs" to say the least. It seems like kind of a shame because there are really influential thinkers on both sides and it would be an interesting watch.

The topics could include the ethics of capitalism, tactics for achieving a stateless society, economic calculation problem, problems with democratic unions, etc.

I can think of a team made up of Hans Herman Hoppe, Jeffrey Tucker, and David Friedman vs Noam Chomsky, Slavoj Zizek, and one other influential left anarchist if leftypol wants to make a suggestion.You could also use more intermediate thinkers like Tom Woods or Lew Rockwell for the AnCap side with whoever the left wants to add.

For real fun you could have a celebrity match up with the likes of Alan Moore and Dan Harmon vs Glenn Jacobs and Penn Jillette or something. Thoughts?

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Productivity, Corporate Culture, Efficiency, etc.

>can invest time and effort to create an enthusiastic workforce with sustained output

>or be a massive asshole that brute forces employees to produce the bare minimum

The larger and more inefficient a firm grows, is the tendency towards the latter? Is there a way to prevent monopolistic firms from engaging in market manipulation to prolong their degeneracy? What to do when good companies go bad and have massive amounts of dependencies on their overstretched but gross amount of resources?

In the liberty of the natural world, equilibriums are established as a result of no single individual of a species being the source of life in an area but rather a successful genetic product being distributed as widely as possible. Human systems however are a farcry from such dynamic balancing and driven by obsessions of lasting forever.

Bubbles, herd mentalities, flocks of sheep being led off cliffs galore; what's wrong with mankind?

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Is it not like making us free by taken responsability to ourselves more than looking about false outside, around us.

By giving our reponsabiliy's to others we give our life into ohter's hands, that was and is in my eyes never a good idea.

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Life sucks

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Discord takes stance against Free Speech; bans NotSoBot and creator for saying "shut up jew" to dev

Creator of famous Discord bot NotSoBot, @NotSoSuper aka <@130070621034905600> on Discord, was banned by the developers after responding to a developer request with "shut up jew," and subsequently refusing to apologize. His bot has also been disabled most likely permanently, though the GitHub page is available here if admins wish to host an older copy of the bot: https://github.com/NotSoSuper/NotSoBot

Users throughout Discord have voiced their concerns that the developers are banning users with insufficient justification. This is the latest controversial ban, as while the average result of such a statement to an admin of a server would be a server warning, mute or in some stricter cases a server ban, this resulted in a ban from the application Discord, and every server therein.

NotSoBot, with arguably the most features and coding of any bot on Discord, was used by thousands of servers and hailed as tremendously helpful in aspects of moderation, creativity, and numerous fun socializing and searching utilities.

Were the developers justified? Harassment and abuse do after all warrant punishment. However, which is more abusive: a user stating one racist insult, or a developer banning a user's access to their friends, social circles, and creations all over 1 racist remark. A user stating a racist insult to someone and meaning it, may warrant a warning or mute, depending on if they truly mean it and the place it was conveyed. But a user stating a racist insult does not warrant a heavy-handed overreaction of cutting that user's social ties and destroying all the work and effort they spent over the course of a year. At most, the developers should have banned the user from their SERVER, but that is only at most and even then it would be overkill.

Users have the universal, self-given, inalienable right to free speech. To have developers abuse their power for such a minor action, is an oppressive act of censorship far exceeding what is reasonably fair and just. If Discord insists on having 0 tolerance with no leeway, we likewise as users have a civic duty to ourselves to likewise have 0 tolerance for this abuse of power.

SEEING AS this information is brought to you by the International Internet Users Union (IIUU); WHEREAS this is not the only place we are relaying this information to; WHEREAS we relay this information in the name of users standing up for their free speech; WE THUS URGE you to support your union so we may continue to provide for you, by accepting this Discord server invite: https://discord.gg/4rUTYXv

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Crosspost from /k/

I figured this was a better place for addressing a shitpost.

>what part of 'devolve' do you not understand? i am not saying ancap = feudalism you drooling illiterate potato. who says kids can't consent? who enforces what the NAP means? if I say kids can consent who are to tell me that they can't? if you disagree with me or attempt to stop my use of child workers that clearly violates the NAP.

Consent requires consciousness, forethought, lucidity, awareness and understanding. Kids as a whole do not have all of these until they reach maturity. I can enforce this claim morally by destroying you or hiring people to stop you (such as a voluntary government or a dispute resolution org). NAP is an objective principle, use of forced labour is a clear violation of it.

Pretty simple really- don't hit, don't steal, don't defraud.

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is it ok to use violence to overthrow statism?

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Questions For /liberty/

Is Ancapistan compatible with white identity and a white ethno state? I only ask as most Ancaps/Libertarians are either open borders proponents or only believe in private property lines. To me at least it would make sense for Ancaps and Libertarians be for white identity, as almost every Ancap and Libertarian is white. Whether or not this because of IQ differences, enviroment, or both it doesn't matter. How can Ancapistan be kept white with a small government or none at all? While it's true our governments are in charge of immigration policy and border security, and they're doing a terrible job at it. However, this would be ignoring corporations interest in flooding the labor market and depressing wages.

Also if Communism is against human nature, wouldn't Anarchism be against human nature? According to Aristotle, man is a political animal and it's not hard to see why. Since the dawn of cavemen, there have been leaders and followers. How can thousands of years of governments be thrown away, when men desire to rule and be ruled?

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What happened to Britain? How did the world's largest mercantile empire shit the bed this hard?

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Political parties ultimately contribute to what's wrong with democracy, but they are good for garnering publicity. Since the Libertarian Party recently cucked itself into oblivion, what would you name your new party, if you had one? If you say soy party I'll fucking kill you

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I know this is the wrong place to post this but I have created a board called /hellisreal/ the point of the board is to not ban anybody if you post something against global laws you'll either be warned or your thread will be stopped but you'll never be banned and your thread will never be deleted (unless it contains actual cp) >>>/hellisreal/

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Jesus vs. Satan

Who's the true libertarian?

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post your worst.

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Mises University

Anyone else applying for this summer's course?

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And Anon´s are ready to fight!!

Get your keyboards ready!

Get the bots set up!

False flag MSM YT channels for supporting terrorism!

Whatever is necessary to GET OUR FREEDOM BACK!

-→ Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité ←-





FIGHT the censorship.

You, the PEOPLE, have ALL the POWER.

You simply forgot how to PLAY.


They want you divided.

They want you silenced.


We are WITH you.



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"Intellectual property" breaks markets and ruins capitalism.

Free market resource production is supposed to tend toward a commodity equilibrium where everyone is putting rutabagas onto the market and competing on price results in efficient rutabaga pricing. Instead, you have twelve million different retards trying to sell Maxturbago Brand POWER RUTABAGA cups with Vitamin C compatible with the Maxturbago Juice Fuzion Juice System and it just results in mass retardation and confusion.

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> Stalin: we can only reach a stateless, classless society through totalitarian dictatorships

< Hans-Hermann Holocaust Hoppe fanboys: we can only reach a stateless, taxless society through totalitarian dictatorships

Maybe the horseshoe theory has a point after all.


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Does communism exist?

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So I’m on this political server on discord. We have debates, and it’s a lot of fun. We’re having elections, but the problem is the group is dominated by leftists. The majority of people in the group are socialists. If they win the election things are gonna get bad. If you’re interested in joining so we can have more balance here’s the link :https://discord.gg/fdYFrPd

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Why are you a libertarian? Why is liberty so important to you?

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NAP as a moral system?

Hey, liberty. I've been lurking here for some time and agree on a fair share of opinions/arguments of this boards'(ancap) theory. But i've had one small problem with it all. It's not that i do not understand why it happens, but why is NAP presented almost exclusively as a moral system almost all of the time? To me it seems like a really major problem as it steps down from describing reality to arguing about opinions, in contest of subjectivity(or even pointlessness, as in ethical nihilism) of morality, ant one of the important points of the austrian economic theory itself, the subjectivity of value. Why is it never described as the most fitting system for communication and organization of 2 or more armed individuals, not necessary interested in well being of each other?

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What if I live in a small isolated town with a private police force and they decide to destroy our communications and turn us into slaves?

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Critique of Marx

I've started reading introductions to Marx and Marxism in general, and I gotta say the LTV makes a lot of sense, at least in regards to industrial production. For those that aren't familiar you can check out this PDF.

I've got enough books from Mises.org and will read after I finish Marx's Capital volumes, but what are some basic arguments against it, if it's so flawed and easily contradicted according to you?

Also, one of the claims in PDF related says that a large part (in fact, an overwhelming part) of production innovation was due to war, specifically its rapidity. Does Austrian theory touches on that subject or acknowledges it in any way?

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Everything you are is 100% genetic

There is a lot of confusion because some people believe that Free Will is denied if you accept everything you are is 100% genetic. That is false. Free Will is a concept for philosophy to struggle with. I am here to show you that the choices you make are all derived from a set of desires all of which are genetic. How well you go through with your choices and how well you peform in various actions trying to get to your goals; all genetic. Your beliefs even are genetic. The brains of humans follow geographical patterns like everything else. The behavior typical of a German is going to be more common in Bavaria than in Peloponnese. Some Nations of people are more impulsive, others are more methodical. Every axis and type of trait is based on genes and is more or less common along with related types of behaviors in specific groups of people. When immigrants come, some can pretend to believe what the natives believe, but as the immigration rate rises, the true beliefs of even the old immigrants become more overt. They do not think like the natives. They do not feel like the natives. They do not dream like the natives. This is because the brain structure and function is genetic. And so many of their genes are different.

How similar are you to the average chimp? (over 98.8% of average human DNA is similar to the average chimp)

How about a mouse? (~92% of average human DNA is similar to a mouse)

You have the senses you have of the world because of your genes; Eyes, ears, etc.

Your genes determine how receptive you are to ideas from other people, or how well you mimick behavior, or whether you are introspective instead of impulsive.

An african brought into Germany will never be a German. If all of Rothschilds money was spent to educate one family of Africans to make them as Germany as possible, their kids would still not be German. So long as they married other Africans, they would not become German, ever.

Whether or not particular thoughts seem more acceptable to you is based on your brain structure and the learned ideas you've accumulated. You've accumulated learned ideas based on your experiences. You could not have visual experiences if you have never seen. You could not have abstract thoughts if you can not understand them. The human brain is complex. An organism without that human brain capacity could not have human thoughts and understandings. Could you imagine a bat or Suncus etruscus to have philosophical theories?

Regulation of Gene expression normally happens in all of an organisms tissues on a continuous basis. This means that the environment is always a factor in how genes are expressed. Why does regulation happen? Because the organism contains mechanisms that sense various parameters. How does an organism regulate the genetic expression? Turning genes on, partially on, or off (simplified). That cells respond to the environment and adjust genetic expression is not proof that something or anything is not 100% genetic. Those mechanisms of sensing, responding, adjusting, and readjusting are genetic as well. A cell can not have a receptor that was not coded in the genome. A tissue can not have a function it lacks the mechanisms to do.

A country that does not represent any particular nation or nation(s) will be in turmoil until it is destroyed or remade. The struggle between groups of people exists even in apparent times of peace.

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Liberty and fringe are the best boards.

Liberty and fringe are the best boards, (including fringebay and fringe mewch.) /caos/ too based magick is real!

Statist niggers are all brainwashed into Orwellian thinking, by the black nobility, zionists, religions and governments.

Based channels include. sassy and opinionated, tyranny unmasked, we are change, high impactflix. They are on yewtube, but they have alternatives. Post your based channels itt.

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THIS IS THE END: /liberty/'s official WW3 thread

Jesus christ lads, post everything you can in here. Are you lads ready for WW3? Post pdfs for survival, news, anything

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Hay everybody

/b/ has just descended into all out madness. Can I shortlist here instead?

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what corelates best with statism? gender? race? sexual orientation? age? affluency? my bet: gender- vagina-bearers are statists in 99.99999% of cases

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Thought ?

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Can we have a Russia hate thread?

I miss the days when being right meant hating Ruskies. And i'm sick of aut-right koksukerniks for Putin on every other board.

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How do ancoms justify "left unity" as opposed to libertarian unity

Alternative title: why do you allways go for Marxist assholes instead of nice guys like us.

To specify, I am talking specifically about the queer faggots who would rather ally themselves with statist commies (USSR/Maoist china apologists as well as labour party fags) than ancaps, right wing agorists, minarchists or other libertarian right ideologies, and then accuse right libertarians of always siding with fascists over them, even though it has always been right libertarians who extend an olive branch to left libertarians and not the other way round. I know allot of you, don't peddle this "left unity" shit, and if this describes you than this thread is not for you.

I hope you realize that statist commies have historically betrayed you guys at every turn throughout history preventing you from creating and maintaining ancom societies (Catalonia as an example). Meanwhile capitalist societies have allowed for numerous worker cooperatives, to crop up and exist. furthermore, freedom of association in an ancap/libertarian society would theoretically allow you to buy territory and start your own communes (that being said, I wouldn't want to live in a covenant that didn't physically remove commies, just in case). also how retarded do you have to be to believe that pure communism could be achieved the way Marx thought it could,

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What's the libertarian/ancap answer to circumcision/genital mutilation?

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What do you guys think of meguca/pol/? Is it any different than most /pol/s or is it the most extreme incarnation? They utterly despise America and the Constitution and want niggers to destroy it for their own gain.


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Immanuel Wallerstein says feudalism is capitalism

in your opinion what is the difference between feudalism and capitalism?

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Styx is running for Governor of Vermont

You know what to do.

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Are women allowed to own property in ancapistan?

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Does "capitalism" exist?

Just had a thought. Today's "capitalism" is very different from the capitalism 100 or even 50 years ago. Is it a mistake to lump every non-planned economy under the same name? Does having a market justify calling something "capitalism"?

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Get in here faggots: http://poldare.com

It's a site for political discussions, where you can 1v1 against filthy commies or greedy capitalists and everything else under the sun. Pick your position, pray that someone is online, and you're good to go. I'm trying to drop the link in a few places to revive it.

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Capitalism vs Markets

Is there a difference between capitalism and markets? Or do market anarchists just want to feel special?

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Libertarian candidate wants to arm homeless

Why does the Libertarian party continue to be one embarrassment after another?


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>A capitalist? Haha, funny joke, anon…

What do?

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anniversary today

let's celebrate death of dozens of polish bureucrats

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Why should you be allowed to shoot someone because they took your garden hose? How is a human life worth more than your computer? It isn't directly keeping you alive, so it isn't self defense at that point, it's just you being entitled and greedy. I get why you'd need to shoot someone if they were trying to actively murder you, but not because they took your television set.

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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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Subjectively speaking, how much would this kid be worth on the privatized McSlave market?

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What's the problem with state capitalism?

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Sehr geehrte Mitbürgerinnen und Mitbürger, hier spricht Deutschanon.

Letting you know that I had little time the last months to do a whole lot here. Between my relationship, family, job, and my reading of some ancient ass texts (Aristotle, Plato, Clement of Alexandria, Origen…) I just didn't find the time. Also Urban Reign, the game is awesome.

I'm letting you know because the board has been overrun by commies lately. I haven't forgotten about you guys. I'll be around next change I have to try and create some quality discussion. Until then: Plz, /leftypol/, be more patient. Ortho is busy, I am busy, I haven't seen Formal Logic Man in a while, I think only the BO and Confederate Man are really active. We literally only have two fifths of our quality oldfags active. So, maybe keep it low for a while, and instead read some of our literature? It's easy to do, and the reading lists are readily available. You'll get more out of it.

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Is this the power of the free market?

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>Xi Jinping removes term limits for himself

>China bans 12 million people from leaving the country, using the "social credit" system as a pretext

>13th five year plan requires internet connected surveillance cameras in people's homes by 2020

>China has very quietly removed the bible from online search results

I see news articles about this occasionally, but I think this is much, much bigger news than people are giving it credit for. We're watching the first real-life implementation of an automated, AI-managed, ubiquitous surveillance network, which is tightly connected to a similarly automated, compulsory reputation system. This could be a return to Maoist China, except with orders of magnitude more surveillance due to the price of video recording/processing/transmission dropping significantly. It begs the question, how can dissent even form in a nation where you can be reported AND punished, even if no other human is interacting with you?

The idea that humans can always rebel, and therefore societies will maintain some minimum level of freedom has never actually been tested in such a highly technologically advanced context. I'm inclined to say its not true, simply because I don't see how someone could win against such a system internally. What will we do when this inspires similar systems in the U.S.?

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What did he mean by this?



>George Soros called cryptocurrencies a bubble in January. Now his $26 billion family office is planning to trade digital assets.

>Adam Fisher, who oversees macro investing at New York-based Soros Fund Management, got internal approval to trade virtual coins in the last few months, though he has yet to make a wager, according to people familiar with the matter. A spokesman declined to comment.

>Soros, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, said digital coins cannot function as actual currencies because of their volatility. But he didn’t predict the hard tumble that some observers had forecast at the time.

>“As long as you have dictatorships on the rise you will have a different ending, because the rulers in those countries will turn to Bitcoin to build a nest egg abroad,” Soros, 87, said on Jan. 25.

>Since the billionaire investor made his comments, Bitcoin has fallen 41 percent. The asset’s whipsaw ride over the past six months has caused some investors to doubt the value of trading it. Former hedge fund manager Mike Novogratz shelved plans to launch a crypto fund in December, shifting his efforts to a merchant bank focused on cryptocurrencies and ventures based on related technologies.

>Other macro managers have turned to digital coins as profits from their hedge funds dwindle. John Burbank, who shuttered his main fund last year, plans to raise $150 million for two funds investing in digital currencies. His Passport Capital started the funds in January and have mostly sought investments from family offices and other wealthy investors.

>Billionaire Alan Howard made sizable personal wagers – separate from his firm – in cryptocurrencies last year and plans to put more of his own money into digital assets and the blockchain technology behind them.

>Soros has already been indirectly betting on crypto. The firm amassed a stake in Overstock.com in the fourth quarter, making it the third-biggest shareholder of the discount e-commerce company. In August 2017 it became the first major retailer to accept digital currencies. The company had also planned to start an exchange for cryptocurrencies as well as offer digital coins that could trade on the platform.

>In March, Overstock.com disclosed that the Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating its proposed ICO. Shares have sunk about 40 percent in the wake of the disclosure.

>Investors in digital assets also face the growing possibility of government intervention. Central banks globally are investigating the benefits and risks of cryptocurrencies, while regulators in South Korea, one of the world’s busiest Bitcoin markets, are cracking down on such trading amid allegations of fraud.

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What are some of the most outlandish tax laws in existence?

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Really makes you think.

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Is the decay of various American cities the result of Keynesian policy creating an overvalued and unsustainable class of consumers that never should have had access to the luxuries they attained to being with?

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What is the most effective way of taking back what is rightfully yours from the government's mandatory theft?

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How would you refute this, /liberty/?

Not a leftist shitposter, just curious in your response.

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Anyone have an idea on how I could contact David Hogg?

I know it is pretty out there but I would love to have or try to have a civil conversation with David Hogg on out Second Amendment. If I could find a way to talk with him with out all the media BS I fee like we could have a real conservation about the topic and it could be a benefit everyone interested in the topic. Any ideas/insight would be apprenticed.

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What is your solution to this /liberty/?

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I want to be free of this statist hell

What do you guys see as the fastest (within our lifetimes) and most feasible way to freedom?

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During the inevitable upcoming U.S. civil war, how should we treat captured commies and nazis?

Helicopter memes aside, we capitalists, libertarians and conservatives are the last voice of reason. If we fall, America as we know it ceases to exist.

What should the militia's policy be regarding PoWs?

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Do you think women should have freedom?

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What does /soyboys/ think of libertarianism?

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why are libertarians philosophically and economically illiterate?

no philosopher takes libertardianism seriously, only edgy teenagers read ayn rand and rothbard/mises

(((austrian))) economics hasnt been relevant in what, just under a century? you retards dont even understand economics 101, fiscal/monetary policy, how debt and inflation work, and flat out deny market failure


I bet you retards don't even know picrelated lmao brainlets

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These two different statements made by the same woman are the kind of shit that makes me have a problem with you people. Explain this. I want to see how you'll all try to weasel out of it.

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How do you prevent a free people from being convinced into giving up their freedom?

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board quality

A free speech board has multiple options to improve board quality without resorting to calls for more moderation that will ultimately prove fatal. Shitposting and bait are designed to elicit an emotional reaction. While these have their place on the free man's internet, it follows that to generate a true exchange of ideas one must elicit an intellectual reaction.

Perhaps the best is by creating a thread in which OP asks a series of open-ended questions without stating his own opinion. OP can later ask more questions to tease answers from posters who respond. The goal is basically an abridged socratic method in which intellect rather than emotion is stimulated.

A much simpler method is simply to post semi-regular updates on news or current events that prevent board discussion from becoming stale or repetitive.

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Ron Paul's The Happening Part II

Investment chief of $250 billion firm says financial markets are on a ‘collision course for disaster’


>Investors should brace themselves for a vicious recession made worse by large corporate debt levels, according to Guggenheim's Scott Minerd.

>He warned clients that inflation and rate hikes from the Federal Reserve will lead to the next market downturn.

>"I have come to realize that the markets are potentially on a collision course for disaster. The collision course is being brought about by strong fiscal stimulus in the late stage of the business cycle, when conventional economic wisdom mandates that it should be heading the other direction to create fiscal drag," the firm's global chief investment officer wrote in a note to clients Monday. "With the huge fiscal stimulus coming online, the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) will feel obliged to play the role of creating economic headwinds."

>Guggenheim has more than $250 billion in assets under management across its fixed income, equity and alternative investment strategies, according to its website.

>Minerd predicts the Fed will hike rates four times this year and four times next year, increasing the benchmark funds rate to a range of 3.25 percent to 3.5 percent in two years from the current 1.5 percent to 1.75 percent.

>"We are essentially running out of labor and other factors of production are being stretched—makes it extremely hard not to see how inflation and wage pressures will pass through to the real economy," he wrote. "When the overnight rate gets to 3 percent the amount of free cash flow in corporate America will be reduced to a level which is consistent with what we have seen in prior recessions."

>The analyst said when the economy enters the next recession companies will have the "highest debt load" in history.

>"The next recession is going to emanate from the corporate sector," Minerd wrote. "There is likely to be a sharp decline in employment and a sharp decline in profitability, followed by widening credit spreads as the market discounts the expectation of higher corporate defaults."

WAT DO /liberty/?

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NRA donations TRIPLE after Shooting

Reports from the Federal Election Commission show donations to the NRA's Political Victory Fund tripled from January to February. In January, the NRA collected almost $248,000 in individual contributions. In February, they collected more than $779,000. It's no secret that interest in guns and gun sales – as evidenced by anecdotes and manufacturing numbers – have until recently gotten boosts from mass shootings. So it would stand to reason that donations to the NRA would get a bump as well. Since the Parkland shooting happened in the middle of the month, one could argue the relationship between it and the spike in donations is hard to prove.

We do not want our rights taken away

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Is Ayn Rand worth reading or was she an edgelady?

I know she ended up using social security and Medicare towards the end of her life.

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How to outcompete???

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Methodology General

This is the thread for people that want to prove that praxeology is magic or that the historical school did nothing wrong.

Picrel is an early post of mine. I remember some anon wrote a very good, constructive critique of it where he talked about Hayek, but sadly, I didn't save that.

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How will the Free Market handle this?

Human population will inevitably outstrip natural resources. Peak Wheat and Peak Oil production have already been reached.

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Whatchya reading /liberty/?

>implying you're not reading

Post em niggers.

> pic related

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>China announces it will impose 25% levy on American products.

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Is he /ourguy/? He is rich, Jewish and helped undermine the Eastern Bloc. Could a person be any more /liberty/ than this?

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Spooky /liberty/ Thread

ITT Spooky Shit!

Just realized today that the congressional medal of honor is an upside-down pentagram.

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Rothbard Thread

So what exactly was this guy's beef with science fiction aficionados?

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Africa Population Boom


Most of the world's population growth will be in Africa which will grow by billions of people. Those people will most likely go to places they can go with decent resources and infrastructure. It seems like the best way to help these people is to help modernize their countries rather than just throwing money at the problem. The success of Botswana and Nigeria shows that improvement for the continent is possible. How would /liberty/ help Africa come into the 21st century?


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Capitalism and Inventions

Remember all those debates with commies and statists, where they always tried to pull out their most important innovations? Well here is a list of top 50 inventions that have increased our life expectancy. Just how many were formulated by the State?

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Count Dankula found guilty of Hate Speech


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Who would you call the ultimate intellectual progenitor of liberty? Sure, the first-degree precursors to modern libertarian though are John Locke, Frederic Bastiat, among others, but I mean further than that. Who is the most distant figure in history to which you trace the conception of freedom as we know it? Is it Cicero?

pic not related

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Q Question


They were the GO-BETWEEN FOR NUKES TO NK…the longer they keep this narrative, the more time they have to strengthen their military….YES…."Their Military"….Hussein and all the rest of them!!


Keeping the COLLUSION "front and center" puts POTUS a "CATCH 22" situation in terms of PR ….

IF he goes to Russia…he's guilty…. and that's what they'll scream at the top of their lungs….

These people are really stupid….

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How will be their collectivity in ancapism?

so yes, I get that methodological individualism is the best way to explain things and the collective isn't something that physically exists. However that doesn't change the fact that humans have collectivist tendencies that change how they act; they are tribal creatures that want to be part of a group, whether that's a nation state or a football team. So knowing that, in an anarcho-capitalist society, what replaces the nation state as an object of people's nationalistic tendencies?

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Redpill me on this shit. What is the super secret formula that the alt-right kids have that makes their version of socialism magically more successful than anyone else's?

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How would a libertarian society protect against the impact of an asteroid?

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Did he effectively defend properly rights?

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Why are you guys always talking about cummies in helicopters? I thought that's what vans are for?

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i hope you all respect Janusz Waluś the hero

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Printable Guns

Is this what will ultimately stop any attempt at gun control?

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I Fucked Up

Well, /liberty/, I fucked up. Was pressing terminals at work today and the circuitboard got caught on the press. Wasn't paying attention and went to pull the circuitboard off the press without properly raising the handle into the locked position, and the weight of the press slammed it down on my middle finger had to be my favorite finger… Pretty sure I'm gonna lose the nail since it's turned about a quarter of my fingernail black, but think the finger itself is fine other than some bruising. Since I work for a small business we don't really have incident reports- your choices are go to the emergency room within 48 hours of an injury and work-accident insurance will cover it, or you're on your own. The CEO and I think it'll be fine other than the missing nail and that's whatever, been applying neosporin/keeping the wound compressed and shit to it all day, finally got around to taking some ibuprofen to bring the swelling down after waking up from an early-evening nap. Does it look particularly bad? I mean it's blacker/more bruised compared to when I took that picture around 6PM (it's 11PM now), but I can feel that pulse tingling feeling, so clearly I'm getting bloodflow through it.

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Unlimited Fines

Are you in the last chance saloon, /liberty/?


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Thomas Paine

Should I pay my lawyer fees and my tickets?

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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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Are they mismanaged? Are these oligopolies natural? If not, how do we go about deconstructing them and making the economy more efficient?

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What causes the business cycle?

Why do we take growth for granted, yet for many, the recession comes as a surprise? Why do recessions often occur during periods of rapid growth?

What begins a recession? What initiates a crisis?

Can government intervene to end a crisis? Will government intervention cause or prolong a crisis?

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Spendable cryptocurrencies

Hello, /liberty/! I'd ask you about some economics stuff, cus it seems like the best place for it. So, the question is: a decentralized cryptocurrency, which price is tied to the computing speeds, which can be mined by giving them to the network, and spent on, by buying them back. therefore, if noone is buying, then the amount of acquired currency is low determied by how much the system itself requires to be managed, and is higher, the more computing power is being used/bought. The amount of computing power bought is also dependent on the available resources. Can such a currency exist, be effectively used? The overall amount of currency is irrelevant, as it is not fiat, and therefore is less dependent on amount of users, as far as i understand. If i got it all wrong and fucked up, can there be some alternatives, improvements etc. made? Is the concept of being able to convert cryptocurrency back to computing speed technically/economically impossible?

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Are you ready?

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Trump signs Omnibus

/pol/ eternally BTFO

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More libertarian jokes pls

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Singapore Model

If you run an authoritarian democracy that primarily pursues the goals of a) defending property rights and b) enforcing contracts, would it be an efficient state?

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So this is set to launch on Monday, will it mean anything? Will the US collapse since it can't invade China? Are the Chinese reputable enough to make a major difference in the world capital markets?

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Genetically Engineered Catgirls For Domestic Ownership

It's fun to meme about engineering a waifu, and certainly in ancap without all those pesky restrictions it would be easy to make one, but what about the ethical implications? Since ownership of a sapient creature violates their NAP, how do you plan to get around this? The only things I can think are

1) Making them not actually sapient which isnt so fun

2) Not actually owning them and having to engineer them and then woo them which sounds like trouble

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What do you do if you're an anarcho-capitalist society that is next door to a state socialist one that manipulates the prices of goods to try and subjugate you?

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Have we arrived in The Age of Reason?

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sportschan.org GET

There's nothing better than privately owned sports teams and water.

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NEET Life is liberty

>no taxes

>no rent

>free food and education

>free entertainment

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Proof of weak hands will change everything.

Mods will take this down.

everything is happening all very fast.

banking, credit, governance, law, lending, insurance.


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A very interesting ancap

So an ancap visited us over at leftypol who holds pic related view on private property. Is this a typical view this board holds?

Webm related: we call him Lemoney.

Thread in question: >>>/leftypol/2439307

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What does /liberty/ thinks of our BASED sandbrothers?

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What does free man mean at this time?

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Dow falls 450 points from strong performance

What's going on with the market /liberty/?

Dow falls 450 points as interest rates shoot higher, stocks head for worst week in 2 years

>The major indexes were on track for their worst weekly performance in two years.

>The benchmark 10-year yield rose to 2.85 percent.

>The U.S. economy added 200,000 jobs in January. Economists polled by Reuters expected growth of 180,000.

>U.S. stocks fell sharply on Friday after a stronger-than-expected jobs report sent interest rates higher.

>The Dow Jones industrial average dropped 450 points, with Exxon Mobil sliding 5.4 percent. The 30-stock index also fell below 26,000 and hit its lowest level since Jan. 16.

>The S&P 500 fell 1.4 percent, with energy as the worst-performing sector. The Nasdaq composite declined 1.2 percent as a decline in Apple and Alphabet offset a strong gain in Amazon shares.

>"The key for the market today is rising interest rates," said Mike Baele, managing director at U.S. Bank Wealth Management. "The old adage is: 'Bull markets don't die of old age, they are killed by higher interest rates.' That looms large."

>The U.S. economy added 200,000 jobs in January, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Economists polled by Reuters expected growth of 180,000. Wages, meanwhile, rose 2.9 percent on an annualized basis.

>The report sent interest rates higher. The benchmark 10-year yield rose to 2.85 percent on the back of the report, hitting a four-year high. Investors have been jittery about the recent rise in interest rates, worrying they may be rising too fast.

>On Friday, the 30-year yield rose its highest level since March.

>"The reaction in the bond market is due to the rise in average hourly earnings," said James Ragan, director of individual investor group research at D.A. Davidson. "I think the market is now thinking of the possibility that the Fed could raise rates four times this year rather than three."

>The Federal Reserve has forecast three rate hikes for 2018.

>Bank stocks fell the yield curve widened. The SPDR S&P Bank exchange-traded fund, which tracks bank stocks, slipped 0.7 percent. Banks typically benefit from higher interest rates.

>This has been a volatile week for U.S. stocks. The Cboe Volatility index, widely considered the best fear gauge in the market, rose from 11.08 this week to 15.25.

>The Dow, S&P 500 and Nasdaq were on pace to snap four-week winning streaks. The indexes were also on track for their worst weekly performance in two years.

>Wall Street also looked to the release of key corporate earnings. Exxon Mobil reported weaker-than-expected earnings on Friday, sending its stock lower.

>Tech giant Apple reported better-than-expected quarterly results. But the stock fell 3.4 percent after the company said it expects profit margins of 38 percent to 38.5 percent, tighter than the expected 38.9 percent. Apple also reported lighter-than-expected iPhone sales for its previous quarter.

>Google-parent Alphabet also reported quarterly results, with earnings per share missing expectations. The company's stock dropped 5.3 percent on the back of the report.

>Amazon, meanwhile, surged to an all-time high on the back of its earnings report. The e-commerce giant said its Amazon Web Services sales — a key component for the company — hit $5.11 billion. Analysts polled by FactSet expected AWS revenue of $4.97 billion.

>About halfway through the earnings season, most companies have posted upside surprises. of the S&P 500 companies that have reported as of Friday morning, 78 percent have beaten bottom-line expectations, while 80 percent have surpassed sales estimates, according to Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.


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/ourguy/ Ross Ulbricht

How do we get him out of prison? Life in prison without parole is completely bullshit!

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Austin Bomberman

Why is he violating the NAP? Were his property rights violated?

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Cambridge Analytica

Did he actually breach any part of the Facebook terms of service or are the politicians just salty about being outfoxed by the market yet again?

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>issue credit for yourself debt free

Is this the end of history?

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Liberty Economics

What's the best way to teach economics to the masses?

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Calculation Debate


I just wanted to post this because I still see people arguing that Mises' point was that "The calculation is too complex to do!" For the last time, if you think that's the point of Mises' Calculation Problem, then you don't understand the problem.

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Reagan roasting the Soviet Union.

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All the Money in the World

How much of this is real and how much of it is speculative shit that will inevitably crash?

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Arms Dealers

Would gun running be a legitimate anarcho-capitalist activity? Could there be a gun manufacturing and marketing society that exists because no nation could conquer it without massive casualties?

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Just leaving this here

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The Hebrew Hammer

Ben Shapiro destroys socialism.

Capitalism is the best system.

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Tell me about your ideal small country.

Please, only constructive, informed or intuitive opinions and criticism. Emotional intelligence is a virtue.

You are more likely to be listened if you post your own ideal utopian society.

See if this takes us anywhere.

>Cities and city life salvaged and abandoned. Only villages now.

>No central gov, no feds, no cia/fbi or police. People must take it upon themselves to live in these humble conditions and can leave whenever.

>Every commune must be at least partially-self sufficient, making pacts to share abundances with other communes. Non-sustainable consumerism has trade offs.

>Any form of authority must respect peaceful individual decisions, by country law.

>Anything without consent is a crime. Starvation, plague, natural disasters, etc is the whole country problem.

>Public internet access, database capable of teaching modern science and technology, free communication in all country.

>A central hub for gatherings to present new inventions, coordinate production, ensuring well-being and country matters. Also having fun.

>This is where motivated people get a chance to advertise their skills, and see if they are needed at all. They work for the people, not the people for them.

>Economy based on non-mainstream and/or sustainable science.

-Mushrooms, 'green' energy, algae/crop biodiesel, f*g Nikola Tesla, cold fusion, zero-point energy, hydroxy and etc.

-Perpetual motion is stupid and a waste of time.

>All individual money gained globally should be disclosed publicly to rather gain some fame, or given to your commune, but not obligatory.

>There is no currency. Renown, trading, skill, knowledge, connections/friends and etc. are how you can gain the upper hand.

>Communes can operate independently, but must respect the country law.

>True free speech. Willfulness to communicate and other virtues are valued.

>For country law, bill or whatever to pass, it must have compelling reasons and a majority vote.

>Every commune has a 'longhouse' for guest housing and caring. Also once a week food and drinks are served for all who participate, but cannot take food out.

>All capital gained from commune export belongs to the commune, who decide how to share it by themselves and to import stuff.

>As not everyone are capable of being individuals at first, an exceptional position is assigned to gurus, shamans, yogi whatever who teach humans in body and soul, not literature.

>They are not allowed to form any unity, they must be independent individuals who resigned their life work in favor of expressing human potential.

>Cults and religion not allowed. Bye bye culture, time for a new start. Schools and etc are commune matters.

>Only a father is allowed to have guns, for as longs as he belongs in the family.

>Father power is amplified by giving authority to call for military actions.

>Military training is provided in a centralized location with a capable structure.

>Their duty is to ensure the land is secure from external and internal violence and illegal immigration.

>Also enforcing the ethical rights of each citizen.

>Military does not train dumbs who can only follow orders, but willpower and guerilla warfare.

>Lazy lifestyle is allowed, but there are no payouts, you either life off the land or find a way to participate in some way.

>Children are cared by their family until 18 years old, no more. Plenty of time to experiment in what they want, school is opt in, opt out.

>Doing land work duties is the easiest way not to get booted out for being useless, also a form of punishment for petty crimes.

>Murder, rape, trafficking, pointless massive destruction and etc are capital crimes, every citizen is responsible for ensuring /liberty/.

>Capital punishment decided only in central court with evidence, public participation and guru help.

>Worst punishment is branding and exile, there are no prisons.

>Natural resources must be absolutely treasured. Waste utilization/recycling and water purification are valued research.

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Capitalism in Prison

It's just human nature.

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Why is authority codified into law not OK but authority derived from ownership and control of resources is?

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Hey losers, leftypol here, just came to your shit board to tell you that you are all fucking idiots. Talking all day about free markets, competition, property rights, etc… Jesus Christ, what's the point? Why can't you just print money?


South Africa superpower 2020!

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commies were wrong once again

im now in behavioural ecology class and professor said that animals do have their territories they mark as theirs by pissing (mammals) and they dont defend their property every time someone trespases because territory is too big

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Well, looks like ancapism has been debunked forever.

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how will it be like in ancap?

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Surrender or Die

Who was the one that came up with that logic in a robbery?


>shoot you so there aren't any witnesses

>rape you if you're a woman

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Shall we play a game, gentlemen?

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Separatism and Liberty


Separatism is the single most liberating step any group or individual can take. Would you support the right of the white inhabitants of Africa to declare their independence from black domination?

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The morality of buying illegal drugs

How would you respond to the claim that even if prohibition is wrong, it's still immoral to buy illegal drugs, since the funds go to violent criminals?

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ancap lifestyle

is it possible to implement the elements of anarcho-capitalist thinking into day-to-day life? or would it involve escaping to the woods and claiming a patch of land as your sovereign territory along with a declaration of secession from your former country?

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Sargon of Akkad and Yaron Brook livestream


18:30 UTC March the 5th

It's an event at King's College, London and they're apparently going to have "Safe Space monitors" there and the event will probably be stopped if they say something "non-safe" (Courtesy of King's college). Protestors are a given.

It's about free markets and objectivism (separate and related).

SoA and Yaron Brook's previous videos:



00:39-00:52 for more info


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Libertarianism discredited in one pic

How will ancaps ever recover?

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Q topics are Global

Harmon Wilfred: America's First Refugee

Cia secret bank


Bill of Rights / IBOR

5 eyes

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When did this attitude die and Americans become a bunch of soyboys?

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Government Gun Grabbin'

Well, they officially started doing it in cucked cities, anons.


>While touted as a necessary tool for police, an ERPO removes due process as the person who is accused of being mentally unstable does not have to be present and gets no chance of facing their accuser.

>Last week in Seattle, a man was petitioned for an ERPO and his case is proving everything wrong with the law. The man has yet to be identified, however, he has become the first public victim of the removal of due process and a police raid to initiate gun confiscation.

>According to police, the ERPO stemmed from a neighbor reporting the man for “staring” at them through a window. The man was also “accused” of open-carrying a holstered pistol.

>Staring is most certainly not illegal. Also, it is entirely legal to open carry a pistol in Belltown. This man had not made any threats to anyone. However, his entirely legal behavior was considered a threat—so police confiscated his guns.

>“We attempted multiple times to get the individual to fulfill that order of turning over their firearms,” Pisconski said. “And he refused multiple times. We were forced, at that point, to take the next step in the ERPO law which is petitioning for a search warrant to go in and enter their home and remove the firearms from them.”

>Had this man resisted with force, rest assured that he would’ve been killed. His life would’ve been taken by police and he never committed a crime.

>Anyone, any time, now has the ability to claim someone else is a threat and have police take their guns. One does not need to delve into the multiple ‘what if’ scenarios to see what sort of ominous implications arise from such a practice. What’s more, police now have the power to deem you a threat at any time and legally disarm you—due process be damned.

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itt words and phrases that make you angry

i start

>think about the children

>go to somalia


>human rights

>pay gap

>greater good

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Flippy the robot is here

KEK! So much for that minimum wage!


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me 2 u

When will stop getting yourself mired in needless vitriol? Is repeating the same topics, subjects, and posts still an entertaining idea for you? There is no practical reason to continue if the above is not cutting it for you. If so, suit yourself. I don't exactly find repeating the same subjects, posts, and 'jokes' to be anything more interesting beyond a single month. Damn near all of the jokes on here are tired and deserve their own retirement long before this point of time.

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Making it happen

How do we meme libertarianism into the white house? We've almost made it once.

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Are there any white libertarian communities in the US that welcome white refugees from Europe? Somewhere where I can be a gun toating racist but also smoke weed?

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Although I consider myself to be firmly anarcho-capitalist, I disagree with ~90% of the anarcho-capitalists I've met regarding property rights (in particular, on land claims).

The position I typically hear is that property rights are determined by the transformative work someone puts into an unowned piece of material, and the property rights act as an absolute defining line for who has control over it. I think this view is misguided, and is incubated by living with a state enforcer of property rights for many decades. Effectively, a monopolistic police force allows for end-all-be-all consensuses on property claims to be made, which is not how a set of competing DRO's would act.

Instead, I believe that property rights in Ancapistan will work much the same way as prices. I.e. they are ultimately subjective, and while people can easily come to an agreement about what is a ridiculous price, they can not easily come to a consensus on what is an optimal price. This is a _feature_, and not a bug of free market economics, because it allows for human desire to self-regulate human desire.

The issue with imagining an individual's property claim as objective is analogous to imagining the price a merchant sets for a good as objective. While you can objectively survey what people think a particular price should be and survey who they think should own an object, that does not make the claim itself any less subjective. (In fact, that would be the reason one falls-back to a survey in the first place.)

For example, what exactly defines "transformative work"? What if others consider themselves to have put more work in the material than you? What if others consider the work you put into the material to have made it worse? How is the conversion ratio between different kinds of work calculated?

No matter what rationalizations are used or how many steps towards property rights are inserted, subjectivity is still there. And that should be expected, because property rights themselves exist _exclusively_ within the minds of conscious beings, not as an exact physical phenomenon. Do not think I'm implying this means property rights are useless, because that would be as ridiculous as claiming food prices serve no useful purpose.

So if property rights are subjective, then how can anybody be certain that they "own" an object enough to use it? In my view, the first line of defense is common sense, but that's true with or without anarcho-capitalism. However, for more complex and higher-stakes claims, I believe there would be companies computing some sort of "ownership index" over the property, similar to how stocks are priced. This conceivably could be DRO's themselves, or a pool of arbitrators trying to efficiently come to a consensus when conflicts arise.

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>China and Vietnam introduced soy to the West to effeminate the men

is this Dietary Marxism?

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/liberty/ and ancrap btfo in one pic

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Chinese Election 2018

The Chinese Communist Party is about to confirm their leadership for the next five years in a two week process starting Monday. They're likely going to replace their management specialists with retards picked by Xi Jinping (who's father was a Maoist Red Guard). Their economy will come to a head some time after.

Make your bets gentlemen.

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Regulation to kill 8chan




>The House of Representatives is about to vote on a bill that would force online platforms to censor their users. The Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA, H.R. 1865) might sound noble, but it would do nothing to stop sex traffickers. What it would do is force online platforms to police their users’ speech more forcefully than ever before, silencing legitimate voices in the process.

>The House Rules Committee is about to approve a new version of FOSTA [.pdf] that incorporates most of the dangerous components of SESTA. This new Frankenstein’s Monster of a bill would be a disaster for Internet intermediaries, marginalized communities, and even trafficking victims themselves.


>The bill changes section 230 of the CDA, the law that protects website owners from liability for what their users post, to carve out an exception for instances of human trafficking. Site owners can be held liable and subject to a criminal fine or imprisonment for not more than 20 years.



Voting on the House Floor is scheduled for THIS TUESDAY. Start spreading this information on as many websites as you can before it's too late. If you know anyone with a large audience try and get them to spread the word.

If this bill becomes law then it's GAME OVER for free speech on the internet.

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Libertarian Movies

Any other good movies with libertarian themes out there?

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Stolen from /n/

3DPD Kills Aniki In Assassination- Covered Up As "Traffic Accident"


>Multiple people in his circle claiming him to have past away.

>This is very sad news.

>For those of you that don't know, Billy was a gay porn actor that became a big meme in Japan on Nico Nico Douga. He embraced being a meme and took on the name "Aniki" thanks to his fame.

>Most people probably won't care that much, but gachimuchi was a big meme back in the mid-late 2000's when it was at its peak, so this is very, very sad news. Billy was a classic, a legend. He will be missed greatly, and we hope the internet sends him off with plenty of top tier videos/memes, surely the way he would have wanted it.

>Aniki is reported as having been survived by his mother, wife, and two children

You can pay your respects for this great man at >>>/a/800930

>A cornerstone of /jp/ culture, a man, and a hero. Billy Herrington has passed away today in a traffic accident. Was part of many /a/ collages and will be missed by all.


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The Sea: S.S. /liberty/

We now have the technology to have a completely self-sustaining naval vessel, could we purchase one and make it an an-cap paradise?

>The Ocean Empire Life Support Vessel is a 44m Solar Hybrid LSV with 2 Hydroponic farms and fishing facilities to harvest the sea. Her Solar Powered Propulsion Systems as well as all of the hotel amenities of a luxury global voyager are supplied by harnessing 3 major sources of Sustainable Energy.


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Were the Stonewall Riots a libertarian rebellion? Remember they were defending a bar (private property) against government thugs.

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Can someone explain to me what's up with the surge of lefties? Did /leftypol/ get busted and now they're here shitting the place up as a wicked sign of affection, or did scientists try to teach monkeys how to write?

Also, when are we gonna make a collage of them? This stupidity needs to be archived.

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David Seaman

Published on Jan 22, 2018

QANON is compromised - stop contradicting me until you watch this video. Sorry, people. It's a total sham: when someone promotes a fake Podesta email as real, they lose all of my respect. Focus on what we really have- the WikiLeaks emails, the forthcoming memo. Give the egomaniac on 8chan a rest already. I don't care. And I believe the earlier Q on 4chan may have been legit, as the posts led to specific events right afterward. New Q is a Yoda wannabe wasting our time: no trust in him or her left! Time to arrest Podesta! No more puzzles or riddles! Where is SESSIONS? I don't trust him any more - not at all. Everyone is still free, FBI is totally rigged, so much time for the Clintons and Podestas to cover their tracks!


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Use of force against pro-immigration advocates is morally acceptable


Objectivism states that it is morally wrong for one person to initiate force against another.

Murders committed (USA, 2016)

Whites: 4,192/(0.769 * 323,127,513) * 100,000 = 1.69 per 100,000 persons

Blacks: 4,935/(0.133 * 323,127,513) * 100,000 = 11.48 per 100,000 persons

Thus blacks are 6.79 times as likely to commit homicide as whites



Welfare use (USA, 2016)

Whites: 11,405,000/(0.769 * 323,127,513) * 100,000 = 4,590 per 100,000 persons

Blacks: 26,884,000/(0.133 * 323,127,513) * 100,000 = 62,556 per 100,000 persons

Thus blacks are 13.63 times as likely to receive welfare as whites




Use of force against persons who advance multiculturalism and immigration of non-whites into white countries is morally acceptable because it is an application of force in defense of your life and property.

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Star Wars Thread

Lets face it:

>Dont be an altruistic cuck

>Fight against an invasive "democratic" empire

>use the force to make the world better

>dont bow down to the "will" of the force but use it like a tool

>dont be basically a leftist jedi living in a commune

the sith were the good guys

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Blockchain and PIVX


If you value freedom… why have you not bought some PIVX yet? Why do you not accept payment with PIVX yet? Why have you not spread the good news that you can be your own private bank with PIVX, Private Instant Verified Transaction. PIVX is the Libertarian and Ancap wet dream. The Real Purple Revolution.

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What do you think of monarchy?

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What happens when somebody violates the NAP of 2000+ property owners at once?

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hello friends lets go rape and murder some people I sure do like freedom and also capitalism is pretty cool if I do say so myself. But the reason I come to you today is that I do quite enjoy roads myself, and would like to inquire about to who will go about the constructing of such roads.

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Board shilling

A /pol/ user who was banned created a new board, >>>/zenpol/ for those disappointed with the direction /pol/ went and for freer discussion of opposing ideologies. He wants little moderation involvement with the users and hopes he can recreate the feeling of old/pol/. It's climbing fast, too. I hope some of you check it out. You can delete this if you don't want it clogging up your board

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Kowloon Walled City (1945-1991)


Is this a historic ancap experiment?

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The NAP is a redundant principle

I find NAP (Non-Aggression Principle) to be a bit redundant. It states that it's wrong to initiate force on to someone, more specifically to force someone into doing something. However, isn't this a violation of property rights, that being doesn't everyone own themselves? Which makes you your own property?

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Commies take note

Party members lived a life of opulence compared to their worker comrades.


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Mmmm. Could beee.

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Does /liberty/ reaaaaaly support Keynes?

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自由 Freedom

日本は今や第1位の自由で安全な民主国です。 アメリカはどうですか?

Japan is first rate free and safe democratic country now. How is America now?

Come here to talk with Japanese people:


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it is embarrassing but deep in my heart i fear that in ancap 99% of ppl will chose not to protect insects and amphibians and reptiles and many of them will go extinct outside private wildlife sanctuaries funded by wildlife enthusiasts like me

normies do not care about frogs or bugs or lizards yet i value these superficially irrelevant animals

i hope in ancap we will have many private wildlife sanctuaries but in order to achieve it wildlife enthusiasts would have to convince normies to give money into wildlife protection but normies are interested only in exploatation of wildlife- hunting, fishing, buying pets

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Human Sex Trafficking

I have been working with a few non-profit groups now to help stop human trafficking and am shocked at what I have learned. Here is our first video released about the subject. https://youtu.be/-O5jARZbPDU

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Off Grid

M5M love gun control. Love mocking their slaves, how stupid you are says kimmel. No mention of Earthships self sustainable housing gain independence anywhere

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Should we create a PMC to liberate Venezuela and make it an anarcho-capitalist state?

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How did I do?

Can't figure out how to get that last bit of spending out of there, especially since I made the government a free association.

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I attempted to write down what I actually think about existence in an objective fashion as objective as a flawed subjective observer can get:


What do you think?