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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

Librivox
https://librivox.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

iTunesU
Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Welcome to Liberty!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime.

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I was browsing the site about building the enterprise and wondering what happened with it.

While looking through the forum on there, I found the members who were last active had come up with a curious idea.

Someone made a thread suggesting they'd make a company to get funding for the project.

One of the replies mentioned forming an employee owned organization.

They specificly mentioned they needed hierarchy while stating that authoritarian government was not the way.

So what does /liberty/ think of this idea? Would it work to have an employee owned non profit organization with the goal of building a large structure for improving life for the participants?

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Liberty this is a call from the Left.

You surely must know that /pol/ack white nationalism is just as sour and misleading identity politics as the SJW.

The enemy is the state, the goal is liberty. With their white nationalism they will give greater power to the surveillance state, to the wars in the middle east, Latin America, whereever, to the funnelling of peoples work into their own selfish ends through the brutal mechanism of the state.

Left or right, authoritarians must say good night

Please tell me you haven't bought the white nationalist meme

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>mfw leftists ask me to ignore the last eight years of bombing hospitals and regulating religion in order to help them combat Trump

>mfw Trumpfags ask me to ignore the massive human rights violations they plan to commit in the name of "stopping the left"

Remember /liberty/, coalition-building just gets you stabbed in the back. Now is the time to invade enemy turf while they're still consolidating power.

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This triggers the propietor

Let's consider the following:

1.-There is a natural supply of land, expressed by the materialist fact of land existing

2.-There is a natural demand for land, expressed by the materialist fact of humans being able to use land to satisfy their basic needs

Therefore, why should a state, either private or public, defend property rights? Reminder doing such thing means it is acting against the natural order of the market

How then could you justify theft in the form of private property?

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how to redpill my family? my stepfather was fighting against milicja obywatelska when poland was communistic and he thinks he is anarchistic but he is a normie watching popular tv channels and voting popular politicians. he is brainwashed by political correctness i think and it would be hard to redpill him but how to do it? my mother is a female obviously so there is little hope for her :(

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>more and more usa soldiers in poland

>putin is scared

will i have a war in my home country? when?

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what are anti gun/drone/whatever control arguments?

i have few

>illegal gun/drone posession victimless crime

>we have already laws forbiding assault

>everything can be a weapon so why not banning a pencil- it can be used to stab

i need verbal arguments- neither graphs nor statistics

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What are we going to do about Islamic culture? Just about every other culture is coming around to our way of thinking.

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>"Without welfare who's gonna feed my ten kids, you some kind a racist?"

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Maybe government regulation could work..

Maybe government regulation would work if we didn't put the foxes in charge of the hen house.

Just a thought…

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Thimas jefferson

Best book about Thomas Jefferson is?

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Lets be honest, how much has Planned Parenthood helped society?

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What is Operation Golden Age?

Hello, people of /liberty/. I'm the board owner of /x/ and this is a formal invitation to join Operation Golden Age.

The problem

You're probably aware that 8chan's community is small and highly fragmented. This is a terrible combination. Small forums work best when they have a small number of sections. Big sites can afford to have many subforums. While we enjoy the freedom to create and customise our own boards, the current model of infinite boards plus a stagnant community has resulted in a situation where the vast majority of boards are not as active as they could be. This is a pity, because imageboards are a great and versatile medium, and out of all imageboards, 8chan has the most potential.

Unfortunately our growth model so far has relied on various waves of exodus from other communities, mainly from 4chan. By its very nature, this model doesn't guarantee constant growth, and actually makes growth almost undesirable, because when it happens it's so big and sudden that the influx of new users can be difficult to manage. What we want is slow and steady growth.

The solution

We need to start spreading the word about 8chan. The keyword here is "we". The administrators won't do it because they don't make any money from this site, so it's not in their best interest to advertise it. The big boards won't do it either because they already enjoy a good number of PPH (posts per hour) and they're scared that any new visitor might ruin their 'culture'. From their point of view, there's nothing wrong with the current state of things. Most boards on the other hand would greatly benefit from a bigger community, but we have to make it happen. We have to realise that if we don't do something about it, nothing will change.

Now, due to the fact that most small boards represent niche interests, broad advertisements won't be particularly effective. Instead of advertising for 8chan as a site, we want to target people who are already interested in our niche. We can do this for free by mentioning our boards in places where our target audience gather. It can be Youtube videos, forums, blogs, etc. The more exposure, the better. We can create original content that contains a link to our board and share it on as many sites as we want.

Do we really want to recruit from outside of imageboards?

Yes! Remember that we were all newfags at some point. I discovered /v/ and /b/ through a Pokemon forum around 2008. Where did you come from? Everyone has his own story, but the point is that there's no reason to be afraid of newfags. We just need to make sure that they understand how things work around here. I'm currently working on a 8chan guide for newfags. Once it's done, board owners can add it to their boards as a page. I'll post my finished version and you'll be free to modify it however you see fit.

I encourage every small board to participate and contribute to this operation however they can. Cooperation will be key to our success. If you wish to discuss strategy and methods, please it do here >>>/x/28856 so that this information is shared with everyone.

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Capitalism in Decay (durr)

>After World War I, Hitler returned to Munich.[73] With no formal education or career prospects, he remained in the army.[74] In July 1919 he was appointed Verbindungsmann (intelligence agent) of an Aufklärungskommando (reconnaissance commando) of the Reichswehr, assigned to influence other soldiers and to infiltrate the German Workers' Party (DAP). While monitoring the activities of the DAP, Hitler was attracted to the founder Anton Drexler's anti-Semitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist, and anti-Marxist ideas.[75] Drexler favoured a strong active government, a non-Jewish version of socialism, and solidarity among all members of society. Impressed with Hitler's oratorical skills, Drexler invited him to join the DAP. Hitler accepted on 12 September 1919,[76] becoming party member 555 (the party began counting membership at 500 to give the impression they were a much larger party).[77]

>Drexler favoured a strong active government, a non-Jewish version of socialism, and solidarity among all members of society.

>During this period, he [Joseph Goebbels] read avidly and was influenced by the works of Oswald Spengler, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, the British-born German writer whose book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century (1899) was one of the standard works of the extreme right in Germany.[32] He also began to study the "social question" and read the works of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, August Bebel and Gustav Noske.[33][34]

>Whilst a prisoner [Roland] Freisler learned to speak Russian, and developed an interest in Marxism after the Russian Revolution had commenced. The Bolshevik provisional authority which took over responsibility for Freisler's prisoner of war camp made use of him as a 'Commissar' (as he was described by them in his repatriated prisoner of war paperwork in 1918) administratively organising the camp's food supplies in 1917-1918.

>In 1912 Mussolini was the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI).[5] Prior to 1914, he was a keen supporter of the Socialist International, starting the series of meetings in Switzerland[6] that organised the communist revolutions and insurrections that swept through Europe from 1917.

This is not touching on the intellectuals behind fascism, most of whom seem to have been former socialists. Eat shit, commies.

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Thirty Years War

How bad was it really? What caused it? Is the state to blame or not, and why is the state to blame?

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Since Classic Liberalism has already been appropriated by the most famous Sarcuck of Akkad what will ex-Classic Liberals call themselves? Classic Classic Liberals, Paleoliberals, Classic Libertarians?

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libertarian videos

post your favourite libertarian videos

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libertarians BTFO

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Libertarian "music"

Why does libertarian/anarcho-capitalist music sound like shit compared to anarcho-communist music?

Example of ancap music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpCJ5ct_pgk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1HZE3BKo0Q

Example of commie music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVD2JTHe_O8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-_qPGAUBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx53bKWie6I

Notice how the ancomm music sounds fuller and more meaningful and the singers are actually drawing from a 170-year tradition whereas the ancap singer is using the most crony lyrics imaginable. Why do we tolerate this?

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Question to Ancap and other anarchist, is it alright to lynch niggers?

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>ywn be a poisonous frog that kills anyone that violates your NAP

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Tor General

General thread for Onion Relay folks.

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On Laws

A lot of people here seem to sometimes steer towards non-lib positions like wanting refugee control, or we come across situations where "socially shaming" people is the option here, which is basically "we're going to try to remove you form this part of the community nevermind asking if shops will actually stop doing business with you or asking if a state/private security firm would do better".

I mean yeah, this board nails the Free Market well, but in the core you still want to apply some non-economic rules. Do you just think it would be better if the state didn't enforce the rules but the community did? It lowers the power of the state but it gives a shitty alternative which might not work as well as you're thinking.

The alternative is having private security firms do it, but how would you make them enforce the law? I can't see them enforcing anything but stopping things that violate the Non-aggression principle.

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How can we have a free market when 50% of the world's wealth is control by a mere eight people https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jan/16/worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50

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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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Economics

>What economic school do you subscribe to?

>Best book on economics?

>Favorite economist?

>Least favorite economist / economic school?

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Pro Gun Legislation

If you are in favor of Pro Gun legislation, please vote in favor of these two bills and send a letter to your representatives using the built in system.

H.R. 38

>Concealed carry reciprocity in all 50 states

https://www.popvox.com/us/bills/115/hr38

H.R. 367

>To Provide that silencers (suppresors) be treated the same as long guns.

https://www.popvox.com/us/bills/115/hr367

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Fresh OC. What do you say?

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Free State Project

Hello fellow liberty lovers,

I signed up for the FSP back in 2011 when I was in college and stupid. Now that the "Project" hit the 20k signup goal back in winter I'm thinking about moving to New Hampshire. I'm currently living in Baltimore and have lived in NJ and briefly Rhode Island for a time so New England weather is nothing to me (NH is actually LESS cold than NJ).

Is the FSP legit, or is it bullshit? I remember hearing a former Free Stater who is no longer a libertarian and who now lives in Taxachussetts claim the FSP has had so many internal problems it was almost dissolved years ago and many of the libertarians in NH are pretty much the "losers" who joined because they had nothing left to lose. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

I consider my views to be left-libertarian, similar to the people you see on C4SS although I'm not an SJW. I should fit right in if I decide to actually move.

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are jews more libertarian than other races? please give me some corelations between races and political ideologies. so far i know that blacks are more socialistic

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Age of consent thread

What is the ideal age of consent in libertarian society?

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CPC

Why is there no Conservative Party of Canada flag?

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Scientism

In his book The Counter-Revolution of Science, F.A. Hayek describes three elements of what he calls scientism (which is best defined by a recourse to these same elements), and how they have made a good deal of all social sciences completely worthess. These three elements are:

>Objectivism

When running an experiment in the social sciences, you cannot isolate variables, not without knowing in advance which variables are even relevant. To You cannot even make sense of what other people do simply by observing them. What kind of sociological law would you formulate if you saw one guy give another guy coins and get a loaf of bread, then saw a girl give the second guy some paper and receive a loaf of bread of the same size, and so on, if you didn't know the meaning these actors give to their actions and those of others? You cannot even describe an everyday occurence like buying some bread without using the insight you have into how other humans act, not without it getting extremely lengthy and contrived, and you expect me to believe that doing so will somehow increase the explanatory power of the theories based on the behavior you describes?

As it is almost impossible to shut down your preconceived notions of how other human beings act, an explanation for human behavior that does not involve any introspection is not even any more objective. It is more secure to be transparent about these notions, so others can criticize them. The way to go, then, is subjectivism, treating human beings as the actors that they are and not as a natural phenomenon that works according to rules which you have no insight into.

>Collectivism

Collectivism, in the epistemic sense, is the belief that you can get insight into how society works by looking at it as a whole. Collectivism suffers from the fact that "the whole" doesn't exist in a tangible form. To explain how it behaves, you have to interpret actions of individual actors with regards to the collective you want to understand. Collectivism is, in a way, an extension of objectivism: You try to make pure observations, with no preconceived notions influencing them, but what you in fact do is to hide the insights without which you couldn't explain the object of your observation in any meaningful sense.

Even if describing concepts like the state, the economy or the society was possible in this purely objective manner, you still wouldn't necessarily be able to explain how their behavior influence the individual. To do so, you need to observe the individual (individualist approach), and understand how it interprets social influences - in short, you have to use a subjectivist methodology.

>Historicism

This is related to the other two traits of scientism. Historicism is the tendency to try and formulate eternal laws of history, and is very closely related to historical determinism. However, you cannot interpret or even understand history in a vacuum. How do you explain the Second World War if you do not understand military science? How do you explain the Great Crash without understanding economics? This issue runs far deeper than these examples suggest, though: How do you explain any historic event without an insight into how human beings act? You simply can't. Laws of pure history, then, are worthless. History by itself offers no insight into how it runs.

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How do we make /liberty/ bigger and have a fewer amount of /pol/ and /leftypol/ shitposters?

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stolen from /pol/

http://humantraffickingpreventionact.com/

https://www.scribd.com/document/336183797/17-0439-02000

https://www.scribd.com/document/336223797/Human-Trafficking-Prevention-Act-FAQ

tl;dr - Cunts pushing to filter the Internet and make you pay $20 to access adult sites, under the guise of stopping sex trafficking and cheese pizza. This money goes to "finance programs and groups that are working to offset the secondary harmful effects of easily accessible prostitution hubs, child pornography, revenge pornography, and obscenity." The worst part is that this was written by the ACLU of all people.

The crown jewel of its FAQ:

>Libertarians should absolutely support this act in accordance with the foundational premises of their own value system: this act will greatly reduce government regulations, the size of government, and the costs imposed on taxpayers overall. One way or the other, our society is paying a huge cost to deal with the fallout of easily accessible pornography and prostitution hubs. There are social costs, like divorce and pornography addiction, and there is a cost to criminal justice, like enforcing laws against human trafficking, voyeurism, possession of child pornography, and domestic violence. Society can “pay now” or it can “pay later” by continuing to have to address the secondary harmful effects that the pornography and prostitution hubs online generate. There are more people in jail in the United States than in any other Country. The United States cannot prosecute its way out of a sexual holocaust and porn pandemic. This bill will reduce incarcerations and victimization, which will reduce government overreach and the steps towards a police state. Respectfully, the public health cannot afford for libertarians to refuse to think, when it comes to deciding what are the optimal set of restrictions that should be applied. On the basis of the most elementary analysis, it is clear that this is an act that helps business and allows children and families stay safe, which reduces the additional need for government measures in other areas. In terms of intellectual dishonesty, it is not helpful for libertarians to be in a state of denial about an act that creates a new revenue stream for business and reduces government regulation overall.

>Furthermore, the total prohibition against any form of government regulation is completely unrealistic and would create a state of nature. Consider this: a fish on the grass is not free. It is only when the fish is confined to water that it can swim lightening fast, thrive, and even breath. The same is true with humans. Mankind does not flourish best when child pornography, prostitution hubs, and obscenity are all one click away or unavoidable. Without “truth,” there is no “freedom.” “Freedom” comes from the “truth.” “Freedom” is not the “presence of restrictions” nor the “absence of restrictions.” “Freedom” is the presence of the “right restrictions,” the set of restrictions that objectively fits the givenness of our nature, the truth about “the way we are," and the truth about “the way things are.” The set of restrictions that promote the most amount of peace, intimacy, reconciliation, healing, and forgiveness, in order to advance human flourishing to the maximized capacity are the set of restrictions that the state and federal legislature should adopt. The Supreme Court has found that the State has a compelling interest to uphold community standards of decency in Paris Theater. The state has an opportunity to impose a filter deactivation fee that will completely finance state programs that are indispensible, like the Human Trafficking Task Force and the victims compensation fund. These state programs are not going to sua sponte fund themselves. The filter deactivation fee also empowers non-profit non-government groups in the state to receive the funding to run their operations, which reduces the need for more government programs, while advancing the goal of libertarians directly.

wtf I love porn taxes now

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Fresh OC. I wish I could into graphic design or however you wizards call it.

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and im laffin

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Take for example a commune in the canton of Vaud, in the winter time, when all the men of the village go to fell wood in the forest, which belongs to them all. It is precisely during these festivals of toil that the greatest ardour for work and the most considerable display of human energy are apparent. No salaried labour, no effort of a private owner can bear comparison with it.

Or let us take a Russian village, when all its inhabitants mow a field belonging to the commune, or farmed by it. There you will see what man can produce when he works in common for communal production. Comrades vie with one another in cutting the widest swath; women bestir themselves in their wake so as not to be distanced by the mowers. It is a festival of labour, in which a hundred people do work in a few hours that would not have been finished in a few days had they worked separately. What a sad contrast compared to the work of the isolated owner!

In fact, we might quote scores of examples among the pioneers of America, in Swiss, German, Russian, and in certain French villages; or the work done in Russia by gangs (artels) of masons, carpenters, boatmen, fishermen, etc., who undertake a task and divide the produce or the remuneration among themselves, without it passing through the intermediary of middlemen. We could also mention the great communal hunts of nomadic tribes, and an infinite number of successful collective enterprises. And in every case we could show the unquestionable superiority of communal work compared to that of the wage-earner or the isolated private owner.

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Hmm

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i was told by PhD student that IQ differences between races are due to IQ tests being europocentric

is it true?

he was working as a speech pathologist with aborigenal children in australia and still he thinks we are equal

is he a cuck?

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An austrian economist free market advocate and individualist was teaching a class on Hayek, know market fundamentalist

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Mises and accept his praxeological method was the most advanced theory in economics ever devised"

At this moment, a brave, rational, keynesian economist who had read more then 15000 pages of Krugman and Samuelson and understood the raison d'être of the economic cycle and actually cared about poor people stood up and held up a copy of the general theory of employment, interet and money"

”How empirical is this text, jewfag"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “It's not empirical at all, fucking statist, its 'truth' is derived from a priori principles”

"Well then, i guess i don't have to even defend my economic theories since they actually have been shown to work in the real world unlike yours"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Atlas Shrugged. He stormed out of the room crying about inflation and entrepeneurship. There is no doubt that at this point in time ou professor, Murray Rothbard, wished he hadn't systematically criticised the state and offered the free market as a better alternative even for child-rearing. he wished so much that he had some sought of ethics system which actually accepted the state, but he himself had written to disprove it!

The students applauded and all rolled into American universities that day and accepted Keynes as the end of economics. An eagle named “Animal Spirit” flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Economics a General Analysis" and shed a tear on the hardcover. The last sentence of "The Concience of a Libera;" was read several times, and Keynes himself showed up and demonstrated how Praxeology is nothing but a means of ignoring macroeconomic trends.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died miserable and alone while living of welfare, the only consolation being that in the long run everybody else would be dead too.

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/liberty/ will defend this!!!

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admit it you want a libertarian society so you can fap to degenerate porn

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Was he right? Can we really fix child-rearing with the free market.

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it wasn't his fault, guys. those children broke the NAP.

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Why are Libertarians either Stoners or Facists in denial?

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Free will has been debunked by modern neuroscience. How can we configure a post-free will Libertarianism?

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Public Sector Stories

>Have to help my mother with legal stuff

>Find all the documents, write a small text, prepare to send it by e-mail to the cooperative

>No e-mail on any of the documents

>Try to find the e-mail on their site

>No e-mail

>Google it

>Still no e-mail

>Find de-mail address instead, because data protection laws

>Mfw no one uses fucking de-mail

>Finally find an online form

>Mfw they don't want e-mail because it's unsecure but have no problem with online forms filled out over an http-connection

>whatthefuckisthisshit.jpg

>Look at the letter of the cooperative again

>"Public-law institution"

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some random stranger sent me a friend request, then this exchange happened.

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Objectivism General

So far, I've only read Atlas Shrugged and The Virtue of Selfishness. How do I best progress?

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How can his videos be so clickbaity, is this some sought of alt-right thing?

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A social democracy could introduce socialism quite easily and still have economic growth.

Workers control of the means of production has to be a good thing, doesn't it? Alienation, work incentives, bargaining power etc

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What was the most difficult or the most counter-intuitive thing for you when you started learning economics? For me so far, I think it's either the business cycle theory or equilibrium analysis.

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It being NYE, I was wondering: Does drunk driving violate the NAP? If so, what constitutes reasonable suspicion? Are DUI checkpoints a violation of freedom?

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Lads, I am torn. One of the best employment opportunities in my area is at the Navy of a Big-state country. Is it morally wrong if I get this job? I swear I would try to spread the libertarian ideals.

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Should we have more than 1 currencies in our countries?

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Kurdistan

The Kurdish people in the Middle East are fighting for soverignty in places like Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. The one thing I like about Kurds is that they want more individual liberties compared to neighboring Arab nations by allowing women to have more rights. Unfortunately, many of them want the failed economic systems of socialism and communism. I personally don't understand why they want a system like that because it would be similar to economies of the Baathist countries of Iraq and Syria which are their enemies.

How do we redpill Kurds on libertarianism and libertarian economics?

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Libertarians on Chans

I feel that kind of isolated from the /pol/ boards on because of their whole obsession with being white and NatSoc. I can't find any libertarians anywhere since a lot of them are buying into the whole Nazi meme.

So how do we libertarians have a bigger presence on sites like 8chan, halfchan, or even Reddit? I hate the fact that we are small and our ideas aren't presented out there.

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Need an Austrian/libertarian explanation of the 2008 crash

I know the basic arguments (Banks wouldn't have given bad loans if interest rates weren't set artificially low by the Fed, banks wouldn't make such risky investments if they couldn't count on getting bailed out), but I'm looking for a specific source, preferably one that doesn't have too much jargon, to illustrate my point.

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It is interesting to note that almost all libertarian leaders are Jewish. At least communism was partially founded by the German Friedrich Engels. The massive amount of cognitive dissonance that goes through every single libertarians brain when this is pointed out is shocking, but after all they have swallowed the blue-pill of individualism just like every democrat even if they have not swallowed the blue pill of socialism. They of course will use this is as justification for holding a blatantly jewish ideology like the good goys while jews have even themselves abandoned the ideology for communism.

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Remember Orthodox Jews are the reason the US and the UK are constantly shilling for Israel and bombing random Arabs in the Middle East.

That costs trillions of dollars and causes terrorism and authoritarianism at home.

Remember non-Orthodox Jews are shilling for easy immigration, non-discrimination laws, hate speech laws and often social democracy or full on communism.

Remember Jews in general advocate for increased centralisation of power because centralising power reduces how much lobbying you need to do. They want a single Jewish foreign policy, a single Jewish currency, and a centralised control hub for immigration, discrimination laws, hate speech laws, etc

This seems like a horrible conspiracy theory but it is actually true

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What does /liberty/ think about Thomas Paine?

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How will /liberty/ deal with the superior marxist race?

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>study hard

>work hard

>save money so i have something when i retire

>gommies take over

>they take my saved money, because property tax

>shit, but ok gommies will take care of me when i'm old

>grow old

>gommunizm eventually collapses, because ppl want a little more than their fair share of nothing and black markets start vibrating

>ok, market is rebooted

>i'm old and have nothing because gommies took it back then

>fugg :^D

How can i stop communists from treading me so hard, that i starve when i retire? Is there any solution besides leaving the country?

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Daily reminder. If pedo villages exist they would be fair game.

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>when the argument won't load

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So when exactly did the perception of Libertarianism in the popular consciousness change from a system about minimizing government interference in peoples personal lives too "Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal".

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A friend keeps sending me these videos, and I finally got around to watching some of them. One was an hour long and about HAARP reading your minds, featuring Isaac Scheklowitz. This was the other. The title summarizes the video, so don't bother watching it if you don't give a shit. Nothing surprising happens. I have no idea if it's scientifically sound but coming from a psychologist, it probably isn't.

Really, most of what my friend talks about is narcissism and psychopathy, or her plans to leave society and have her own organic farm. She is a good friend, but fuck me sideways, this is getting ridiculous. A few years ago, she got me started on the path of anarchocapitalism, and now she watches videos like this all day long. Anyone know what's up with these memes of organic farming and a cabal of psychopaths secretly ruling the world? I see them pop up all the time, and now from her, too.

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Seperatism

I'm sick of Jews, I'm sick of Nazis, I'm sick of SJW's, I'm sick of white guilt, I'm sick of Christians, I'm sick of Muslims, I'm sick of Niggers…the list goes on.

Seems to me the only political movement I support in general is now separatism, that, and being the lord (Absolute Monarch) of my own domain.

World Union of Separatists when? (a world political alliance dedicated to supporting separatist causes)

Honestly I think that the more states there are, the more choice, and ultimately liberty there is. Smaller states are more responsive to their people too.

The idea of a libertarian empire is a contradiction in terms. Universal separatism is now the only solution for humanity to achieve it's potential.

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Libertarians were cucked in the US because of their retarded leaders.

Discuss.

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Question time.

Couldn't a community put a law in place that says you can violate the NAP?

>inb4 the NAP itself can stop this.

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post girls with guns

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North Korea Story

In South Korea, he also struggled with the concept of freedom, saying he was told constantly that he now had it, but he wasn't sure what it meant. It was only when he was standing in a shop deciding what brand of pen to buy that he understood.

"I tried every pen, it took two hours," he said. "I suddenly thought that this must be freedom, because I can choose a pen that I like."

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Pretty good quote about economic freedom

But doesn't this article seem like a poorly thought up propaganda story by the elite? There are lots of incredible coincidences.

Are they lying to us /liberty/?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37914493

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Why can't every 150 years there be a forced restart button on laws in government? Sure, stuff like killing, thieving, vandalizing, etc etc. Should be forced the entire time but I all the added laws should be revoked for the next 150 year cycle. This would ensure that the government wouldn't continue to abuse it's power forever, and if they decide to try to keep going on past the cycle; going past the forced law of the government restart, then it's high time for revolution.

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Friendly reminder that "Free Trade", at least what the vast majority of people claim Free Trade is, is actually not free Trade.

Free Trade is the idea that people can trade which each other without goverment coercion either inside a country or across the country with another one.

If you have to make a big trade deal out of this, add to the regulation or replace it with an equal amount and set up courts who deal with the parts you have yet to regulate or if your trade deal is just good old state "capitalism", then you are just using one of few remaining popular (not actually that popular anymore) terms that reference freedom.

Please keep this in mind when arguing with the plebs. People with low, an average IQ and sophists get rather easily confused and hung up on semantics and definitions.

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Seasteading is Happening

http://www.seasteading.org/2016/12/2017-year-seasteading-begins/

>On January 13th, 2017, President Fritch will come to San Francisco from Tahiti to sign a Memorandum of Understanding with us solidifying our agreement to collaborate on developing the first seastead in a lagoon in French Polynesia.

>We are in this position thanks to the thousands of visionaries and dreamers who have become a part of our team over the past eight years. Next year is going to be amazing. It’s also going to require a lot of work.

In light of this news, what does /liberty/ think of steasteading? Is it still an unfeasible pipe dream? Will governments find a way to fuck it up? Or will it pave the path for new ways of thinking for the betterment of mankind?

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is this how liberterianism works?

I go to work, since the investmenst are low my wage sucks, I try to save money so I get better education to find a better job or start my own job?

Also, most of you guys claim public schools are bad, but in USA education system expoliats both middle and lower class.Meanwhile despite being public, in europe education is free and has quality.How do you guys provide counter arguments to it?

t.questioner of everything

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How will a Libertarian society deal with the Bogdanoff twins?

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liberty podcasts

I need good, funny podcasts about liberty to listen to while playing vidya. Also here is a copy of doom because I didn't have any relevant pictures for this post.

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Makes you think…..

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Quote Dump

Last one got purged in the purge dat writing style, so I'm starting another one.

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I just created a thread on leftypol about Marx's labour theory of value.

I … j-just can't. Wtf is this? Everything they say is so completly unimagineably wrong.

They for some reason create this weird thing called value, which is not price and somehow relevent outside exchange. Like somehow goods have a value placed on them that can be determined outside the market or even is relevent outside an exchange.

Plus for some reason the just state that money …. is a fucking expression of labour.

HOW THE FUCK?! WHAT?

How can they just blankly state that without any clarification?

I feel like that is basically an ideology similar to religion, because they just state these axioms without any proof. They just think it's that way.

Jesus, can anyone help me debunk it, because I am just stuck at the confusion phase.

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Are Libertarians missing the chance to claim victory?

Recently /leftypol/ got me thinking with their celebratory D&C on 4/pol/ and 8/pol/. Trump has pretty clearly shown he is not the leader White Nationalists or le civic nationalists wanted him to be or thought he would be. Think about it for a minute.

>Gay marriage is settled law.

>Reconciled with Rand Paul, plans to audit the Fed and maybe go ahead with putting Ron Paul on the board of governors. If the winds keep blowing this way Rand in 8 years could be viable.

>Is taking on the military industrial complex and their welfare queen status, starting with Air Force One.

>Is repealing Obamacare and a clearly unconstitutional tax on being alive.

>Is gutting the FCC and opposes Net Neutrality.

>Wants to gut the CIA.

>Has promised to appoint strict constitutionalists to the Supreme Court.

>Is challenging false "free trade" deals like NAFTA and MFN for China that are in fact one sided and only punish U.S. as opposed to global businesses.

His infrastructure plan and vague promises of making the military large again are minor quibbles, but this is a pretty damn good start. So I ask you, are they not realizing that in the defeat of White Nationalists we are seeing the return of small government snek handling? This is a pyrrhic victory for Trump haters, small government activists just need to get out there and claim it.

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I agree with Henry Hazlitts "Economics in one Lesson", but i support public education and free college/uni.

>pls no helicopter

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isis

is isis supported by israel/usa? why?

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Universal Basic Income

UBI

This is not about the theoretical aspect of UBI, but the practical aspect of it. I would like to discuss the real life suggestions of leftists who propose this policy.

The basic premise is that every single other social benefit would get cut for this. I would like to know if leftists in Europe really mean this or still leave some things open. Like healthcare for example. Or if the European Union would like us to pay this to non-citizens as well, like it does with other social benefits.

Would employees still get taxes secretly through their employer who witholds part of their potential income and pays it to the state for various social benefits, etc?

TLDR: How are the leftists trying to jew us?

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Reminder to read

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AnCom Utopia

>Be upper middle class marxist

>Country goes through anarcho-communist revolution

>The State and private property is abolished and the upper class flee to neighboring countries

>Makes me and my family the new bourgeoisie and lose most of my stuff and our means of production to the commune

>Neighbor loses bakery equipment, land, and staff from his organic pie shop to the commune

>Complaining about this would make me a spook since the commune asserted its ownership through might.

>Local council is made up of everyone.

>Problems arise when everyone has a vote on issues they know nothing about such as agriculture, medicine, and economics

>Everyone is equal and gets what they need

>Nobody is allowed to improve themselves

>The government, I mean commune controls all aspects of life

>Communism realised

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Shittiest ancient societies

I think Sparta is a good contender:

>Spartiates, the ruling class, called themselves homoioi, meaning "those who are alike"

>Spartiates had a highly reglemented life full of abstinence

>They were not allowed to engage in commerce

>Slaves, the helots, were largely seen as common property

>Freeing your slaves was not allowed

>The slave population was routineously culled

>Spartiates killed their own children if they were deemed weak

In other words, some asshole sat down and made a blueprint for a society combining the worst of feudalism and socialism, with not even the ruling class being anything but slaves to each other. I dare you to find me a shittier society. At least the Aztecs thought they were keeping the sun alive, I guess.

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https://www.16personalities.com/

INTP here. What about you guys?

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This is mainly a question to all the minarchists out there. If you belief that there should be a police to protect people from having their lives taken away from them through violence, why should the government intervene to protect life from being taken away through health problems. I'm not suggesting a universal healthcare system like those in Europe but what about some type of voucher system like proposed by Paul Ryan. Thoughts?

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Anarchism Flowchart

Thoughts on links related?

http://imgur.com/nxVRZk8

http://imgur.com/XzgiAOZ

I'd post them directly, but the dimensions are making 8chan go full autism.

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Are we just a /leftypol/ colony, for serious?

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Why?

Why is Obama such a retard?

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How to fuck with a communist.

>say that every capitalist country that failed wasn't real capitalism, because it was run under a state.

>call the leader of the country fascist/make up a word like Pinochetism, like made up words they make up, like Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism, etc. To say it wasn't real capitalism by saying it was Pinochetism/Hitlerism (whatever) they were practicing instead of capitalism.

>say that because it was run by a dictator, it wasn't real capitalism

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Education

So exactly how would education work?

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Nuclear Weapons and WMDs

In an ancap society, everything is privately owned. So does that principles apply to nukes, bioweapons, or nanites or whatever. Can McDonalds and Burger King go into a cold war rather than warring against eachother, and one move could mean a nuclear war?

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Who will protect private property when there is no state?

>private security companies

Isn't that just another name for a state?

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>tfw modern republicanism stems all the way from the magna carta

So this has lead me to a question, one of historical thought. Was medieval England considered the most libertarian place in the Western world at the time? Was it, in essence, the medieval version of America at its time?

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Since Hoppe's "physical removal" basically is just an extension of freedom of association i would like to add a new term to the AnCap dictionary, "Violent Revolution".

Basically its where we get every single AnCap/ Minarchist/ Libertarian to just stop performing free market interactions with anyone who doesn't profess are ideology. If we have sufficient concentration in a country we will be able to forcefully overthrow its government without violating the NAP, similar to how the British took over India.

Obviously we would need people to infiltrate positions of power and shit, plus it would be hard to get that many people without being discovered by the government and shut down. But at least we wouldn't have violated the NAP.

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I actually saw Gary Johnson at a grocery store in New Mexico yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen bags of weed in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bags and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

I guess he just figures he can't do whatever he likes now that he lost

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Couldn't find my other thread

I think this is a good way to move things a lot closer to ancap. It doesn't sound that crazy to ordinary right wing people though, and they are usually unable to come up with brilliant arguments against it

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tl;dr I need decent History book recommendations. Any book about any event goes, as long as they're not Marxist.

Hey /liberty/.

In my country, the State has an absolutely firm grip on what is taught on every single school (public or private). We've had leftists in power for some 20+ years, so there's things I wasn't even taught about history when I was in middle/high school; they said some things about Rome, a little bit about the middle ages and then they spent almost two years teaching about the French, Industrial and Russian Revolutions (which I believe were the most relevant to their agenda).

So what I ask you is, what are the best History books do you know? Anything goes really, as long as it isn't full of Marxism. I'm asking this because I want to dive deeper in libertarian theory, but I believe I should solve this flaw in my education first.

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Thoughts on Mutualism

Does anarchist mutualism have a place next to capitalism is or is it just as bad as communism? Should workers have more control over the means of production in a free market?

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The serpent

I really enjoy this flag for one reason or another. Can we just have a small thread about other(serious or not) designs it has?

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IP Discussion

Most consistent libertarians oppose patents. Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that patents "diminish" innovation. But what about copyright? Rothbard defends copyright, while criticizing patents. In "Man, Economy and State", he makes a distinction:

>It is true that a patent and a copyright are both exclusive property rights and it is also true that they are both property rights in innovations. But there is crucial difference in their legal enforcement. If an author or a composer believes his copyright is being infringed, and he takes legal action, he must "prove that the defendant had 'access' to the work allegedly infringed. If the defendant produces something identical with the plaintiff's work by mere chance, there is no infringement.

>Copyrights, in other words, have their basis in the prosecution of implicit theft. The plaintiff must prove that the defendant stole the former's creation by reproducing it and selling it himself in violation of his or someone else's contract with the original seller. But if the defendant independently arrives at the same creation, the plaintiff has no copyright privilege that could prevent the defendant from using and selling his product.

>Patents on the other hand, are completely different. Thus:

>You have patented your invention and you read in the newspaper one day that John Doe, who lives in a city 2,000 miles from your town, has invented an identical or similar device, that he has licensed the EZ company to manufacture it…..Neither Doe nor the EZ company…ever heard of your invention. All believe Doe to be the inventor of a new and original device. They may all be guilty of infringing your patent…the fact that their infringement was in ignorance of the true facts and unintentional will not constitute a defense.

>Patent, then, has nothing to do with implicit theft. It confers an exclusive privilege on the first inventor, and if anyone else should, quite independently, invent the same or similar machine or product, the latter would be debarred by violence from using it in production.

http://cdn.whipups.net/uploads/236/7patents_copyrights.pdf

In short, copyrights can be formed by breaking apart property rights through contract; whereas patents cannot. Rothbard's distinction is quite coherent, but it seems to be frequently lost. Discuss.

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So I was finally banned from /pol/ for this. Nazi's can't take the bantz. I'm not even biologically Jewish. My parents just love cut cocks and everything Jewish.

I am now totally in support of liberty or monarchy where I'm king (Isn't that what a land owner is in a libertarian society?.

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How the fuck did this shitty meme start COINTELPRO and how do we make it stop? It shouldn't be a question that it needs to stop. It attracts all the wrong people and makes us look like the fucking commies muh revolution and natsocs muh day of the rope.

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candlemaker's petition (satire)

the government banning Uber and AirBnB because of hotels and cabs (real)

Discuss

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I'm trying to make OC showing how USA has a uniquely bad corporatist shithole healthcare system, and most private healthcare is okay

But it seems like nowhere has a truly free market system.

If you know any countries more privatised than the ones I have highlighted I can put them on the list

Or if any of these aren't free market enough maybe I should take them off

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What you lads think about Oswald Spengler? I know he is /pol/ approved and some weird kind of socialist but his history cycle seems to be spot on.

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Left libertarians don't exist

Is there anything libertarian about "Libertines" and "left wing Libertarians"? do they even actually exist?

The only thing that is libertarian about them is weed. In the end they want hate-speech laws, equal pay laws, anti-discrimination laws, etc.

So am I right, or am I misunderstanding something here?

pic unrelated or is it?

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Physical Removal Is Not An Inherently Violent Entity

With all the unironic helicopter memes going around, I think it's important to point out that HHH was not referring to a violent entity when he said physical removal. Hans was referring to the act of, for instance, the ancient Irish who would not trade with criminals or people who didn't follow the rulings of the courts. Physical Removal is pretty much a "we don't like what you're doing in our community so please go away" statement, not an act of violence. At worst, it means people with different beliefs perform the equivalent of white flight and leave cities like Detroit to burn. That is what I'm pretty sure he meant by physical removal, anyways.

Thoughts on what physical removal actually means?

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/liberty/ WebM Thread

let's see em boyos

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there is a thread about the worst historical political systems, let's make one about the best historical political systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Liberty

the best period of poland

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Book Dump

Not sure when the last one was. I updated my library a bit, though, so why not have another one?

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Whats wrong with using immigrants for cheap labor and why is /pol/ so butthurt when immigrants taking lower wages jobs?

Nobody except Poles or brown people wants to clean toilets.

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Liberal party of turkey.They're strong pro free market.They're secular and believe in the human rights.

They want to privatize all schools and hopstials basically everything.Would this fix Turkeys education problem, and make them economic powerhouse?

Pls no meme answers

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Can you guys explain to me why do you assume that, regarding technology boosting labor productivity, the rate of creation of new jobs must be equal or higher than the rate of destruction of redundant ones? Is it because the contrary would imply that the labor factor would loss value thus making either unemployment rise or wages fall?

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Does trespassing without permission violate the NAP even if no physical damage is done to the property? Why I ask is because I like to bike along farm paths.

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There's a widespread perception that the right wing took power in about 1980, and for the last 40 years the results have been stagnation for the masses, inequality, and economic crises.

I think we should have a thread just about this, because it's quite important to debunk it, if it's not true

If it's not true, why would they still think it was true?

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How would you prevent a government uprising without violating the NAP

In order for a system like this to work wouldn't we all need the capabilities to governor ourselves? I'm pretty sure not a lot of people are capable of doing that. Not in terms of providing resource for themselves, but in terms of education or the mental capacity to think. Couldn't someone with power impose their own thought and ideas on those who are stupid enough to follow them. Hell different regions already consist of different cultures. Who is to say one will not take over the other. Even when a whole group violates the NAP, who is going to stop them without breaking the rule itself? Better yet, can they even stopped? Will people even rise for other individuals rights? Why should they even care about other people in the first place? It's not like they were a direct cause of their problems anyway."If they got taken over then that's their fault not mine". How long will it take before another state pops up. How long will it take for people to realize they could be the next victim of the uprising. Or will it be too late once they do? How long would this society last?

TL;DR version

How is a group of individuals going to protect themselves against a group of power, when they only care about themselves?

How will this Libertarian system work?

A system is only as good as its people, so how do we brings the best out of people?

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In an ancap society, how could the NAP be applied without a state to enforce it?

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Advantages of Feudalism

1. Defence against immigrants somewhat assured

2. Guaranteed defence against invasion by hostiles

3. Landowner can build infrastructure in expectation of higher rents

Clearly the country needs to be bundled up and sold off in a large number of feudal holdings based on a signed contract. These could go to feudal barons, or to corporations.

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Is this an accurate picture of Libertarianism?

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The Truth About Chile's Augusto Pinochet

http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/tomwoodsshow/woods_2016_12_27.mp3?dest-id=227196

If you got 40 minutes, take a listen.

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who is the biggest libertarian nut?

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Is Cultural Marxism legit? If so would it have been able to exist without the government. And is the Frankfurt School involved?

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Have you taken the brown pill yet, mateys?

it's a tough pill to swallow! The brown pill was founded in 1999 by Sir Reginald Brownpill, who presents and narrates the attached video.

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Could you guys please add a (Classical) Liberal Flag? I don't want to be associated with autistic lolbertarians and anarkid$ when funposting on here.

No, but seriously, please add this flag. Not all of /liberty/ endorses libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism and all the other alternatives are pretty meh.

>pic related

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Could a libertarian revolution happen in the future?

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I've started reading this piece of shit, halfway through now. And the author just talked about wealth inequality. He honestly sounded like he was blaming the free market for AIDS. Motherfucking AIDS. Needless to say, he's a political scientist and philosopher, judging by his biography, not an economist.

I already tried to read a neomarxist book on how to solve the knowledge- and the calculation-problem. That was one of the worst fucking reads of my life. Anyone else have these shitty experiences with leftist literature? Is there some book that you could respect, even if you disagreed with it?

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/a-dark-age-of-macroeconomics-wonkish/?_r=0

Anyone actually study economics here? I read this and it is annoying me.

I think he is basically saying that S + T = I + G, but an increase in G doesn't mean I has to go down, since S + T can go up (ie both sides of the equation increase)

But I don't understand the mechanism he's talking about unless he means the increase in GDP increases S and T.

But the increase in GDP hasn't happened yet when the government is borrowing the money– right?

Really hurts my head

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Was it because he was a faggot?

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Psssst.

Kid, let me tell you about the golden age of capitalism.

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meta thread

What happened to the board? Why is the catalog so tiny now?

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Even though it may be the correct thing to do, abandoning the fiat money system in a world that has been running on it for so long would only lead to historic massive bankruptcies that would ignite a an equally massive deflationary spiral. All would end up in chaos, violence and finally a new world war.

If you disagree please state your reasons.

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Ancaps are dumb.

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>"In a true libertarian society homosexuals, muslims, democrats and other such degenerates will be traded as property for slave labour or to be converted to petroleum"

-Hans Herman Hoppe

Doesn't this violate the non-aggression principle?

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Hey /liberty/, and whatever visitors we have.

I've got a friend who told me today that she's addicted to cocaine. Very good friend, she's one of the nicest people I know. She also lives in another country. So I'm looking for some advice here. If anyone's got to offer it. I'd be very thankful for that.

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Does a sophist have to make non-arguments all his life?

Only in Stef's call in show to be BTFO to the skies.

Leftists try to steal my gold…

no voluntary society ever build roads.

In EU borderland raids, they came in their horders, ransacking welfare offices, taking the spoils.

With nothing to lose and possesions few: Brown, muslim, illiterate and cruel!

Defiant of integration on pain of death.

Tough measures call for libertarians to be ruthless.

To set an example to commie, shitibs and establishment devils:

Seduction by those cute white nationalists rebels.

How many times did we venture forth

to reduce the growth of goverment and keep the browns from migrating north?

To subdue those whose hatred was great

against western civilization and citizens of our european states?

Four thousand men migrate every single day

they would not let the border get in their way

five thousand euros per month of welfare consumed

to appease a single "underage" migrant and keep them in the 'hood.

The bloody verdict of Cologne.

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what is the best (most libertarian) economic index?

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Trickle down economics is dumb

At least Stalin managed to invest resources and expand production

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What are countries that have high gun ownership without high rates of crime and murder?

People normally use Switzerland but they aren't allowed bullets.

I thought about Serbia, but is there anything else?

What about places in America with high gun ownership and no murder? I always thought the real problem was probably Negroes

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W-why is Stefan bullying this guy? ;_;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnegoVG22CM

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At what age did you realize neoliberalism was superior?

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are wolves more libertarian than other species? please give me some corelations between species and political ideologies. so far i know that ants are more communistic

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Genuine question

I understand that for you the State is the cause of most of today's problems.

But what is the cause of the State? How did it come into existence in the first place? Why does it still exist? What will keep it from reappearing in "ancapistan"?

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Confused agnostic.

How do I know what god is the true god? Or how do I expel my sins? Do I just confess everything sinful I did to a confessional, or stuff I did after I converted to the religion? What if I forgot sins I've done and thus can't confess them? Believe me I want to believe in a god (I mean I don't want to go to hell, if there is one), but I'd feel I'd be too big of a sinner and would be afraid to confess my sins.

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What does /liberty/ think of pic related? I use it to shutdown economically and geopolitically illiterate /pol/acks but I want to know your honest opinion about financing certain institutions with taxpayer money.

Yes, I'm /leftypol/, but I'm not here to post shitty memes or make fun of you because I know you actually understand your own theory and I agree with you on a lot of issues.

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What was wrong with UPB?

I notice a very good number of people on this board think the book was absolute shit. It appears to have been quite the endeavor but many people found it to be quite unsatisfying. I must ask, what are some gripes that you guys have with it? Is it the way he explains the idea? Is it perhaps the idea itself? Was it a missed opportunity? Is there another piece that does a far better job?

What went wrong?

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A question to ancaps.

Why allow ancommunism under ancapitalism, when they wouldn't allow it if they were in control? Seriously, I just don't get it. I understand you want to be "the big brother" and set an example or not be an authoritarian, but when they hate your guts and want to kill you, well, they're unreasonable people (in the most polite of terms).

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I feel torn about christianity.

On one hand it was basically a proto-communist movement, which success was but a symptom of the decline of the Roman Empire.

It had iconoclast tendencies similar to Islam, destroyed temples, converted them to churches, corrupt knowledge (just look at how they turned Aristoteles observations into dogma, while ignoring his methodology).

I recognize Germanic law (common law) as a big influence in our legal and cultural systems. But I don't know how christianity fits into all this.

Should I as a voluntarist appreciate the role that christianity played in our history? What do you say, /liberty/?

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How does /liberty/ refute?

Well?

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What does /liberty/ think of this guy?

Have you read the 23 Things They Don't Tell You?

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i have strong feeling that single men are more freedom-loving than those in relationships. does any of you have any scientific data on it?

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Merry Christmas /liberty/ also remember banning spammers is allowed– they must be physically removed, too, if one is to have a libertarian society

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Why do you hate him?

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is current mainstream economics (keynesism) in a position saying that the more we export the better? is it kinda neomercantilism?

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So in libertarianism, what issue should the government be involved in?

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What is /liberty/'s MBTI type?

>find out here

http://www.keys2cognition.com/explore.htm

>answer here

http://www.strawpoll.me/11943154

Just for fun :)

Feel free to argue about the personality type of Friedman, Mises, etc. as well.

Yes, I know there is a similar thread already, but this one is to make a comparison between /liberty/ with /pol/ and /leftypol/

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Do we actually need roads or is this just a myth perpetuated by the state to keep us under there leash? Humanity did go without roads for thousands of years?

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Why didn't he support trump?

Isn't building a wall good for the economy?

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>Historically, the closest we've ever had to anarcho-capitalism was the system in which the power of the monarchy was severely limited and largely symbolic; namely, feudalism. The feudal lords were untaxed and enjoyed total power over their domain, which they defended using private armies maintained and largely composed of peasants, managed by vassals in the service of lords. To maintain their holdings that had to defend against other lords, and to expand them they had to conquer the holdings of other lords.

The frequent warring between feudal lords demonstrates that civil war is indeed more common under a decentralised system with no central authority, than a centralised state- a lesson which anarchist libertarians refuse to learn.

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Pretty good point, my immediate concern was whether the feudal lord was comparable to somebody in Ancapistan- didn't they have peasant soldiers sworn to them, knights sworn to them, noblemen forced to provide them with armies, etc?

I'm sure there were interior wars during feudalism but who was fighting them? Why was it feudal lords specifically, if not because of the legal system and distribution of state privileges?

Was it the case that any rich person started raising armies to steal land and things? Or was it only those who had peasants sworn to fight for them, monopolies on exploiting land, and armies of knights eager to do their bidding?

But I still think he's making a decent point somehow

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You can't handle all that freedom

Face it, you NEED the state to protect you. You're just one little individual against other little individuals, perhaps scheming against you or them. You need a middle man, you need the state, to ensure that order is maintained.

Prove me wrong, nerds.

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If anarchy was not feasible, what system of government would you prefer to have? Hardmode: No saying "minarchy" without also mentioning some kind of constitutional safeguard.

Picture unrelated.

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Thoughts on the police? The ones I talked to always had an ego the size of the moon but little to justify that. No legal knowledge to speak of, only the very basics that you can learn in two weeks. Some kind of forensic knowledge when you're lucky, although the federal police here in Germany don't even have that. Basic firearms training, basic fitness training… really, all they have are basics. But at least they don't shoot people on a daily basis, I guess, so all is fine. Although we still had cops induce violent, day-long vomiting and diarrhea in a drug dealer, or almost kill a guy after firing at him unannounced, or break into a house unannounced and then act surprised that they were being shot at after clearly being warned that they'd be shot at, or - my favorite - had a handcuffed man in custody spontaneously combust, which was, like, totally an accident!

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Nazis confirmed for Keynesians

>Even more complicated techniques [for credit expansion] were resorted to in many countries. Thus, for instance, the German Reich in the first World War sold bonds to the public. The Reichsbank financed these purchases by lending the greater part of the funds needed to the buyers against the same bonds as collateral. Apart from the fraction which the buyer contributed from his own funds, the roIe that the Bank and the public played in the whoIe transaction was mereiy formal. Virtuaily, the adciitionai banknotes were inconvertible paper money.

Sauce: Human Action, p. 568.

I've heard before that the nazis had such policies, but never knew the exact mechanism. But now I got it. So, no more claiming that the nazis fixed the economy, they clearly adopted policies that would've led to a depression. Or already have, but who blames the monetary policy for a low standard of living when there's a war going on?

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Theoretical Practicability of Ethical Systems

>To be valid, a system of ethics must be theoretically practicable. A system that cannot be applied practically ("it is good to fly by flapping your arms") or that would cause large-scale degeneration or death if it were to be applied (everyone jumps off cliffs and dies) must be discarded.

Thoughts?

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Alright, I'm finished screenshotting some quality-threads from the last days, even got some more bonus content out of it. I have my .pdf's and quote pictures and I'm not the only one, so reviving this board will be trivial.

The spammer cannot win. /liberty/ will prevail.

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Is selfless "action" (as defined by Mises) an oxymoron?

What a man does is always aimed at an improvement of his own state of satisfaction. In this sense- and in no other- we are free to use the term selfishness and to emphasize that action is necessarily always selfish. Even an action directly aiming at the improvement of other people's conditions is selfish. The actor considers it as more satisfactory for himself to make other people eat than to eat himself. His uneasiness is caused by the awarenes of the fact that other people are in want. - Mises, Human Action

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If free trade between countries is the best way for nations to thrive then why did the UK first and later the USoA become superpowers only after using protectionism?

Maybe protectionism isn't good or bad per se. It all depends on how can the other competitors use it back on you.

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What is /liberty/'s stance on the following issues?

>copyrights

>piracy

>intellectual property

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> all the good jobs require higher education

> state involvement is needed so people can afford it

> subsidising demand just pushed the price up higher

> subsidising supply is fraught with problems

> therefore we need public universities controlled and funded by the state, giving education for free

Where do you debunk this Marxist line of reasoning?

Do you have a preference between subsidising demand / subsidising supply / direct state provision?

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Anyone here familiar with the difference between western feudalism/monarchism and oriental despotism? My impression is that the western civilizations during the middle ages were incredibly civilized and advanced for their time, from around 800 AD until the French Revolution. There was no violent expansionism during that time, few major democides that I know of, and science, the arts and philosophy were overall improving, at the very least. The Chinese, on the other hand, saw mass killings with every change of dynasty, the Osmans seemed invasion-happy as fuck, and as for the Japanese… just read Hagakure and Brennu Njal beside each other and tell me which one is more barbaric.

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Answers Thread

We should make a copypasta thread for high speed shilling on anime image boards

>what about monopolies?

>won't the warlords take over?

>who will build the roads?

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You can spam all you want, you're still these guys.

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So, who's behind the spam? Anyone have an idea?

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How does the free market stop monopolies?

If monopolies can't be broken up by new nascent companies, then the whole point of capitalism is moot. And companies are keen to undercut other nascent companies, since it means competition which means they would lose business.

How do you solve this problem?

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>talked to some democraps today about politics

>they literally told me free market capotalism wont work because of human nature

Jesus fucking christ maybe leftypol does have a point after all

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GamerGate in hindsight

To start this off: I picked the book mentioned in the subject up a while ago, and I'm kinda underwhelmed. It's not exactly a systematic treatise. Sommers doesn't throw many truth-bombs in it either, she mostly just gives evidence to support the thesis that gender studies are worthless, but if you've already accepted that idea, then it doesn't teach you anything new. I'm not finished yet, that's just my impression. Still, as far as I can tell, this women got a lot more good press and publicity over GamerGate than she deserves on her merits.

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Ancap Border Control- Two Ideas

>"if only towns and villages could and would do what they did as a matter of course until well into the nineteenth century in Europe and the United States: to post signs regarding entrance requirements to the town… (no beggars, bums, or homeless, but also no Moslems, Hindus, Jews, Catholics, etc)… to expel as trespassers those who do not fulfill these requirements"

I never knew about THAT.

There could be a private court in the town which rules it illegal for Mexicans to be there, couldn't there? That would have the same effect. What's the Mexican going to do if he doesn't like it?

My other idea is a sign saying 'Turn back, Spic, we don't want you and won't serve you!' and then a list of all the businesses that refuse to serve Spics.

It's normally illogical for anybody to discriminate against anybody else.

But suppose there would be a boycott of people who wouldn't sign up to the pledge to not serve the Mexicans.

It would still be irrational for anybody to boycott the stores.

But maybe enough people could make themselves do it for that system to work.

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Why are CEOs seen as "perfect"?

A general question to this board.

Why do you see people holding power as completely objective? A lot of company owners have made decisions which are unambiguously disadvantageous to their corporation.

For example, digital media gets increased sales when they are allowed to be pirated as people are more willing to buy it, and this distinctly shows in the market.

Why do they still spend millions lobbying the government if its a loss for both parties? Can you answer me that? Is it a glorified suicide? Is it just the rich corporations trying to solidify their power?

I had more examples but I forgot them, give me a day or less

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>Economist

>Philosopher

>Historian

>Broke new ground in all these fields

>Liked violent action movies

>BTFO'd leftists on a regular basis

>Fucked Rand, then left her (metaphorically)

>Associated Mises' name with anarchokiddies, still considered by Mises to be his greatest student

>Major influence on Hoppe, Woods, Nozick, Rockwell and countless others

>Revived natural rights ethics

>Wasn't a flamboyant degenerate (looking at you, Keynes)

>Didn't let his family starve to death (looking at you, Marx)

>Mostly ignored by academics, still influential to this day despite being dead

If you don't think this man is based, then there's gotta be something wrong with you.

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What does /liberty think of Thatcher?

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Economic Schools

What are the major economic schools to learn about, anons?

>Austrianism

>Monetarism

>Keynesianism

>Marxism

What else?

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Natsocs

Made this thread to talk about these people, so we can better understand them and their special needs. I think I observed that they are obsessed with being popular. Whenever I talked to natsocs (not just now, but he reminded me of this), they make a big deal out of no one liking libertarianism, and how they got a presidential candidate now toppest of lels. They don't just strive for relevancy, they see it as the only thing worthwhile.

Talk of their ideology is also welcome, I guess, but there doesn't seem very much to it. No economic program whatsoever, and all other policies are evaluated by how aesthetically pleasing they are.

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>Seasonal reminder that very soon you'll be able to say "Merry Christmas" once again without feeling awkward or afraid, and will be able to go on living like a normal American instead of the denizen of a living nightmare

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you guys for not actually voting for Johnson and allowing this country to have some chance for a future. Merry Christmas /liberty/!

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Hierarchy of Intellects

Where is /liberty/ on this chart?

You have a reputation for being academically alright

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was he based?

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What does /liberty/ think of Nietzsche?

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Can information wars be a violation of the NAP?

I seriously believe this is a important question.

Lets say we're back to some time before World War 2, we're in the US. The USSR is making the United Free States journalists drunk, spreading the wonders of communism, etc. So that we accept communism too, since they think AnCaps/Libertarians are harmful to their Authoritarian regime.

Is this a breach of the NAP, or is information unable to break it?

I admit I'd be cautious of anyone trying to "protect" us form "propaganda", but that's for another day. So, as I said: Are the enemy spies, who are spewing a constant stream of lies to manipulate the public, NAP?

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Freedom

What does freedom mean to you?

Are there regions of the earth that don't have constant proxy wars, do have a relatively good climate, and aren't under big government exploitation?

Are there any places on the way to becoming that kind of place?

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Russian Ambassador Shot

Is reclaiming Constantinople a violation of the NAP?

tbh this seems really staged. Russia didn't even give him a security detail.

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>sitting at an Olive Garden with my sister

>waiter comes to us

>it's Stefan

>"what would you like to order?" he asks

>I only order a latte

>"alright, so two lattes"

>sister gets annoyed he ignored her

>he turns to me and says "are you really going to let a woman decide? Don't you know female autonomy leads to socialism? And we all know that Socialism leads to Communism. Always."

>tell him to just take her order

>he writes it down while staring at a mother a few tables away breastfeeding

>he brings the order after a few minutes

>sister asks where are the free breadsticks

>he starts foaming at the mouth, jumps on our table and screams at the top of his lungs "SEE? I FUCKING TOLD YOU, MAN! THIS IS WHAT GYNOCRACY LEADS TO. CAN'T PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT SO YOU GOTTA PRAY TO YOUR GOD - THE STATE - TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING FOR YOU, HUH? HUH? HUH?!"

>latte gets spilled on my lap, scream in pain

>He now turns to me and shouts at my face "NOT AN ARGUMENT! YOUR FEELINGS ARE NOT AN ARGUMENT! YOU KNOW WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELING? BEARS!"

>the other staff members get to our table and start dragging him to the kitchen

>he shouts "NAP! NAP! YOU WANT TO SHOOT ME?!" through all the way

>manager comes out and apologizes for his employee, explains that that's what happens when you stay an ancap for over 50 years

>they can't fire him because of anti-discrimination laws against the mentally ill

>finish whatever was left and leave a tip cause I feel kinda bad for the guy

>pass a few blocks and hear someone scream "ONE. FUCKING. DOLLAR." in the distance

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Ron Paul received 1 electoral vote from a faithless Texas elector.

WE DID IT AMERICA

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How can he revocer?

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Campus Identity Politics Will Kill The Classics

> The alt right is now threatening the classics, according to Mark Zuckerberg’s sister. No, the amorphous online movement that is slowly becoming synonymous with white nationalism isn’t a menace to the classical canon because they want schools to stop teaching it — it’s due to their deep interest in reading Homer, Plato and Plutarch.

> That’s the logic behind Donna Zuckerberg’s recent post on the Eidolon website. Zuckerberg is a classicist who understands her field of study no longer generates as much interest as it did in centuries past. But she’s horrified that people she hates are reviving interest in her favorite subject because the alt right — like pretty much all who studied classics in the past — see Greco-Roman antiquity as the foundation for western civilization.

> That notion is “a slippery slope to white supremacy,” according to Zuckerberg, and professional classicists should forcefully lecture interested minds that the Greco-Roman tradition should not be studied for any reasons pertaining to western civilization.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/18/campus-identity-politics-will-kill-the-classics/

https://archive.is/MSNaN

Oy vey goyim, the only history youre allowed to study is the holocaust! Havent you read bertrand russel? dont you know all these evil greeks were cowardly racist misogynist idiots?

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If me and my neighbours own this street after Ancap, wouldn't we be able to put up toll booths at either side and start charging any price we wanted to try and maximise revenue?

Businesses might offer free entry in order to not scare away all the customers, but residents don't necessarily care how many non-residents drive up and down their street

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Be Glad We Elected Donald J. Trump | Here's Why

This video examines the various issues and controversies surrounding Hillary Clinton, her lies, her flip-flopping and why, in the author's view, it is for the best that President-elect Donald J. Trump was elected Tuesday, 11/8/2016. Hillary Clinton was a dumpster-fire of a candidate and it's amazing she's not in prison. Please Like and Share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJXxQe4-It8&t=2555s

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From the Machinery of Freedom chapter entitled "National Defense: The Hard Problem":

So one solution to the problem of national defense might be the development, for some related purpose, of local defense organizations. These must be organizations permanently endowed for the purpose of providing defense; they cannot be simply local firms with an interest in the protection of their territory, since such firms, having agreed to pay part of the cost of national defense, would be driven out of business by new competitors who had not.

This is the problem with Morris and Linda Tannahill's idea of financing national defense through an insurance company or companies which would insure customers against injury by foreign states and finance national defense out of the money saved by defending the customers. Such an insurance company, in order to pay the cost of defense, would have to charge rates substantially higher than the real risk justified, given the existence of its defense system.

Since people living in the geographical area defended would be protected whether or not they were insured by that particular company, it would be in their interest either not to be insured or to be insured by a company that did not have to bear the burden of paying for defense and could therefore charge lower rates. The national defense insurance company would lose all its customers and go bankrupt, just as it would if it were simply selling national defense directly to individual customers who would be defended whether or not they paid.

Essentially this is the same idea as saying 'global warming insurance doesn't necessarily mean the insurance company will try to prevent the warming'. Since their individual attempts would be very ineffective at stopping warming, and expensive, a company who tried to do that would lose out to a company that simply offered pure insurance and was able to free-ride on everyone else.

What would be needed, I think, is a recognition of the prisoner's dilemma between multiple firms… but even here, new competitors could enter the industry and undercut them by offering cheap insurance based on the reduced risk now that the big firms are protecting everybody.

I guess the insurance idea might not work, huh?

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Remember– we need to put up signs to warlords saying that we will burn our houses down rather than have them stolen from us

Same rules apply to all our valuables

And we will suicide rather than become slaves

This deters invasion, doesn't it?

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Defending Alex Jones (Infowars) Before He's Shut Down

There is a war against so-called 'fake news' and Alex Jones, Infowars and PrisonPlanet.tv are being targeted. Watch this video and you decide what you think of Alex Jones. https://youtu.be/Fd9LpTs_Yg0

http://www.infowars.com/

http://prisonplanet.tv/

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What does /liberty/ think of Keynes?