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Welcome to /liberty/!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!

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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

Librivox
https://librivox.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

iTunesU
Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Just

How do you fuck up so hard?

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I want to become skilled with weapons and physically fit. I want to travel all the way to New Zealand to kill this scumbag who killed the innocent. He doesn't even deserve a trial. He is no "red-pilled lad," he is a statist; he is a collectivist. A self-admitted fascist and, which he admitted himself, identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

Thread Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43yLMgXXOU

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Capitalism Keeps Losing

Why has capitalism lost the ideological battle AGAINAND AGAINoh and also that other timerepeatedlythroughout historywe never seem to learn? The younger generation is now majority commie ( https://archive.is/W2jEr ). I mean, dear lord, I'm not even sure this board has a majority of capitalist posters anymore. What the fuck happened? Why can't capitalism defend itself ideologically? And how the fuck do I prepare for the breadlines under the neo-bolshevik uprising? Something more useful than "Grab SK, go inna woods" or "go workout/be stoic" pls.

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"The Anglo is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an individualist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is …"

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>gay is okay

>fucking animals is okay

>polygamy/polyamory is okay

>freedom of speech/freedom to promote communism

>freedom of religion

>racial equality under the law

>democracy

So when did you realize that you're basically just a moderate leftist?

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Accelerationism

Sometimes I wonder whether it would be a good idea to go onto commie forums, pretend I was communist, but then troll them by attacking the in-group by saying that they are not communist enough. Just try to get ideological opponents to falter by making them accelerate to the most extreme possible opinions possible. Just destroy any modicum of moderate political opinions that the left have.

I kind of feel like this has already been going on without my doing anything anyways.

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I got deleted from /pol/ and bumplocked on /leftypol/. I'll try here too just for the fun of it:

The world is not as bad as you think it is. We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.

https://ourworldindata.org/

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after studying economic history I can see that a central bank is needed. When Andrew Jackson ended the central bank and implemented a "hard money" policy he caused a huge depression.

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When a libertarian decries the minimum wage, they are only focusing on the costs the employers’ face, that is what is seen. However, they fail to notice the unseen, namely that as employees wages are higher, they spend more, hence sales and revenues of a business rises. Minimum wage doesn't create unemployment. The broken window fallacy that the libertarians use so often shows that we could have a minimum wage law. Further the broken window fallacy is retarded because it can apply to the private sector too. If a restaurant owner sets up a restaurant aren't other owners being deprived of rental space? Libertarians also like to say that the public sector cannot create jobs. But they do not realize that the public sector brought the world out of the Great Depression via the military. They also say that there shouldn't be any public spending during a recession but they do not realize that people have less money to spend in the private sector because very few people have jobs.

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Is liberty just going to get cp'd to death?

Every time the government wants to pass something horrible that past two decades, it's the same four excuses:

>X helps proliferate child porn.

>This is a tool to stop money laundering.

>Gotta get tough on terrorism.

>There's a human trafficking crisis.

I know there's a lot of people who come onto this board and meme "BUt whAt IF thE chILd COnsENts," but is the libertarian movement going to get crushed because you can basically justify anything an authoritarian does by remotely connecting it to "Cracking down on CP" (or terrorism or human trafficking or money laundering)? Increase TSA searches because that cracks down on CP. Take away VPNs because those are used for CP. Take away Bitcoin because money laundering and only people selling CP would launder money. Take away everyone's gun because some hick in Virginia liked his gun and his cousin's mother-in-law turned out to have a ton of CP.

There's no talk about what would ACTUALLY stop this sort of stuff. It's always this fucking gut reaction. I'm getting kind of depressed by it.

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Hoppe on the Austrian tv show Hangar

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/hoppe-on-hangar-subtitled/

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Federal Budget

http://usa.v1.abalancingact.com/

Show me your budgets /liberty/.

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Hi gaywads!

My name is definitely not Jefu and I am definitely not going to shill my website 2hu-ch.org

Stay gay!

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REMINDER THAT ROLF HARRIS IS INNOCENT

>Rolf Harris: Why We Know He Is Innocent.

https://www.rolfharrisisinnocent.com/

>Rolf Harris should have been given a retrial.

http://barristerblogger.com/2017/11/19/rolf-harris-given-retrial/

>Rolf Harris and the case of the sleeping Metropolitan Policeman: Bias and Unfairness in the Rolf Harris Trial

https://rationalthoughtprocess.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/rolf-harris-and-the-case-of-the-sleeping-metropolitan-policeman-bias-and-unfairness-in-the-rolf-harris-trial/

>Rolf Harris - Beyond reasonable doubt?

https://misesuk.org/2014/07/05/rolf-harris-beyond-reasonable-doubt-2-attachments/

>Rolf Harris is a victim of a heinous conspiracy.

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2017/01/25/rolf-harris-is-a-victim-of-heinous-conspiracy/

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Under Thatcher the free market Prime Minister the unemployment rates skyrocketed. Gee I wonder why? is it because she was opposed to government spending??!

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>Debunking Austrian Economics 101

http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html

just gonna leave this here :)

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Stickied Thread

BO, I know you lurk here at least occasionally. I've learned to appreciate the hands-off moderation, but could we please change the image in the stickied post to be something other than that political compass? You have DemSoc and honest-to-God statism listed in the "welcome" zone. Neither of those, and arguably nothing in the bottom-left quadrant, belong in the welcome zone.

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Libertarians and Socialists are same

Socialists:

>profit is theft

>profit is unearned wages

Libertarians:

>taxation is theft

>taxes are unearned wages

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Yang 2020

Have any of you read some of the policy proposals coming from the Democratic candidates for 2020? I mean, Sanders is already known to be a socialist, but Yang, holy fucking shit. This stuff reads like dystopian nightmare fuel, and I'm not even touching the UBI stuff. I really encourage you guys to read this stuff, it's fucking insane. I mean, I'm an autistic weeb lolbertarian, and I think this guy has out-autismed ME for fucks sake.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/human-capitalism/

>In order to spur development, the government should issue a new currency – the Digital Social Credit – which can be converted into dollars and used to reward people and organizations who drive significant social value. This new currency would allow people to measure the amount of good that they have done through various programs and actions.

>Imagine an AI life coach with the voice of Oprah or Tom Hanks trying to help parents stay together or raise kids. Or a new Legion of Builders and Destroyers that install millions of solar panels across the country, upgrade our infrastructure and remove derelict buildings while also employing tens of thousands of workers. Or a digital personalized education subscription that is constantly giving you new material and grouping you with a few other people who are studying the same thing. Or a wearable device that monitors your vital signs and sends data to your doctor while recommending occasional behavior changes. Or voting securely in your local elections via your smartphone without any worry of fraud.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/free-marriage-counseling/

I have no comment on this.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/modern-time-banking/

>As President, I will…

> Create a new time banking app to track points awarded and traded for helping your community and neighbors

> Donate all my points to the top-earning high school students in each state.

> Set time banking points prizes for a visit to the White House and a meeting with me and/or fun civic-minded local celebrities

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/making-taxes-fun/

>Making Taxes Fun

Just the title, dear fucking lord.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/mental-health/

>Invest in AI counselors and other technology that may be helpful in identifying and treating mental health issues across a broad population. The AI would refer issues to a human psychologist.

>Promote the use of AI for social workers

>Promote the use of AI and telecounseling for those who need a psychologist

This stuff needs to be memed to all high-hell and back, holy shit.

Pic definitely related. This is a presidential candidate. Dear lord.

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Ok, so ITT: /liberty/ describes their ideal marriage partner/waifu.

What's it gonna be? Trad thots? Modern sluts? 2D only? Non-whites? Traps? How high are your standards? What would you absolutely not want to see in a woman? Would you date a commie? Would you date someone with piercings/tattooes? Would you date someone who drinks/smokes? What else?

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>That moment when Gray realizes that Anarchy is good for business

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can we have a book thread?

I'll get the obligatory charts out of the way

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Limits to Liberty

I think one of the limits to liberty is believing in philosophical systems that run contrary to liberty.

If you, as a libertarian, want to invite muslims into your country… you are fucking retarded and probably not a libertarian.

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If one wants to understand economics from the point of view of austrian ther eis the Tom Woods Show, mises.org, PFS, ecc

What about other school of thought? In particular I'm curious about the chicago school. Is there an equivalent of mises.org or the others are cool enough that can just survive in academia?

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>get banned from ancap discord server for making helicopter memes and "what if the child consent."

Fuck redditors and fuck discord.

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What does /liberty/ think of street art? Isn't there something freeing about putting your name on something sacred to a normie for the enjoyment of yourself and those who can appreciate it?

>>>/bench/

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Welcome to 8chan, newniggers! I know, since you've discovered this place, you've been trying to find a home for political discussion. Unfortunately, /liberty/ doesn't suit your political views. That's fine. There's a great alternative waiting for you:

>>>/leftypol/

Hope to see you there!

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Things libertarians don't want to admit

Fact:

Traditional Marriage as it was practiced before first wave feminism 100+ years ago, was created without the state, across cultures through voluntary social interactions.

We would likely to go back to such a system. The only reason why people still get married is that they mistake and get fooled by civil marriage and think it's real marriage.

In actual fact just having a long-term gf is more real of a marriage, than actually marrying her under state marriage, because it's natural for women to ONLY get your ressources, if they stay with you. You corrupt that and basically create an incentive for women to immideatly leave men, once something is not to their liking, if you marry them.

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First job in California

So I finally got my first job in California and now I honestly have a obligation to vote for someone without a D after their name, Long story short I pay close to FIVE HUNDERD DOLLARS a month in taxes for no good reason. Where does my money go? And for who? Why are THEY or the GOVERNMENT entitled to my hard earned money. I work in a factory mind you, before this I actually voted for the Green Party… Not making any o this up, has coming out of my NEET habits and growing up really made me understand what is what in this world. Any place I can start with ebil gapitalism?

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Capitalism is a Marxist strawman that was designed for failure and you guys gobbles it up. Marx coined the term Capitalism and gave it his own definition which was a strawman. Everyone just believed that the opposite to Marx's system was the strawman definition he gave. Numerous schools and politicians have gone on defending a Marxist strawman. Marx created division and a false dichotomy that you must choose one of two radicals. Marx was evil

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EVERYONE'S ATTACKING USERES AND CENSORING MEE: So I Made A Digizine For User Rights

>be me

>believe in the free speech and rights of all users

>love shitposting and copypastas and meme fanfics

>have god-tier indesign skills and routinely read 8chan's shit

>really pissed off at mods and admins abusing the user class

>facebooks bans Tommy Robinson for criticizing BBC and threatens all their users

>meme economy badmins ban me because my aura of free speech was too great for them to comprehend

>interviewed genius world-travelling technologist who predicts Universal Basic Income becomes a big deal this decade

>JAPAN IS GONNA COPYRIGHT ALL MANGA AND ANIME AND MAKE IT ILLEGAL ONLINE FUCKKKKKK

>youtube gonna soft-censor all conspiracies

>mfw i turn this all into a digizine

>mfw mods and admins forever have wrecked anuses

Userview Issue 2: https://userview.wixsite.com/home

Cost me 40 bucks to display this digizine in order to own the mods and admins, but I'm pretty happy with it. Tell me if I should set up a functioning SubscribeStar or if you feel the Internet's better off without this. I'd probably keep making this either way since it's fun tho.

P.S. it's okay to be namefag.

~E p y c [redacted] W y n n

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Capitalism as a result of determinism

Is there any book, tesis, article computational analysis, whatever aside from marxian theory that understands capitalism not from a moral point of view, but from a deterministic pov, as in the current state of things isn't the result of some ideological or social manipulation scheme but rather that, capitalism is the only way to actually organize a society? Below I share a video I watched the other that got me thinking about the possibility of perhaps capitalism, or rather markets, being the common rule of law today due to the fact that a more elaborated system like communism wouldn't be able to compete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFws_hhZs8

>In artificial intelligence, an evolutionary algorithm (EA) is a subset of evolutionary computation, a generic population-based metaheuristic optimization algorithm. An EA uses mechanisms inspired by biological evolution, such as reproduction, mutation, recombination, and selection. Candidate solutions to the optimization problem play the role of individuals in a population, and the fitness function determines the quality of the solutions (see also loss function). Evolution of the population then takes place after the repeated application of the above operators.

>Step One: Generate the initial population of individuals randomly. (First generation)

>Step Two: Evaluate the fitness of each individual in that population (time limit, sufficient fitness achieved, etc.)

>Step Three: Repeat the following regenerational steps until termination:

>Select the best-fit individuals for reproduction. (Parents)

>Breed new individuals through crossover and mutation operations to give birth to offspring.

>Evaluate the individual fitness of new individuals.

>Replace least-fit population with new individuals.

also don't post boomer shit like USSR propaganda because it was doome due to geolpolitics and so on. I am talking about some legit that includes pshycology, sociology, statistics and so on

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http://newslanc.com/where-descendants-of-former-soviet-rulers-went-to-live/

Does /liberty/ have more great examples of rich commie kids, living the good life, enjoying their parents hard-stolen wealth, or otherwise moving as far away as possible from the socialist utopia their parents created for everyone else?

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is the west really going to fall? what will it mean?

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Possible Bunkers?

In case you haven't heard yet, some /pol/ack in New Zealand decided to go full Siege and shoot up a mosque, making a post to 8chan shortly before the event, and making a few references to the site in his livestream. There's a non-zero chance that 8chan wil get Zucced as a result of this. On the off-chance that happens, it may be in our interest to designate some other imageboard as a "bunker" in which we may congregate should this place go down. Any initial candidates? Livebunker.rocks is the only one of which I know, but it's more chatroom than true imageboard.

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This movie (In time, 2011) supposedly should be anti-capitalism, but it ends up being a pro-capitalism movie when read using economics as a framework.

The premises are that people are engineered to never get old, but they have a timer and when the timer expires they die. So, they use time as money since they can exchange it with other people. From the movie it's implied that there is an unlimited amount of time available, in theory, and the scarcity is artificial and probably created by the government. Yet, this is an anti-capitalism movie. You see where this is going?

But even if time was a scarce resource, why the hell would someone use time as currency? It doesn't make sense because when you have to pay your last two hours for a bus fare, the price is automatically too high and not worth it. We know that the currency isn't necessarely valuable because of its possible applications, but it's mostly a system to represent value and exchange it with other people. So, stability in currency is something seeked and time is certainly not stable as currency since its value change greatly base on how much you have of it. Nobody would really use time as currency, certainly not to the point of risking their life. Other things would be used as money, unless of course it wasn't the government to force people to use time as a currency, which is something that is happening in the society depicted. Forcing people to use a certain thing as currency is not capitalism.

Then we have the prices for goods that soar and the rich girl telling the protagonist something along the lines of "we do up the price so that people die". It seems that we have a central planning board choosing prices, which is absolutely not capitalism and not free market. I won't even discuss it firther here since this is literally chapter fucking one of basic economics of Sowell.

Then there is the problem of "if everyone had infinite time we would die of overpopulation". No, we wouldn't. If property rights were used, people would just not create new humans because it would be too expensive to mantain them. Also, there would be privatized incentives to get sterilized or at least have your fertility put on hold. Truth is, we already live in a situation where nothing is stopping us from reproducing. Yes, people die eventually, but the same happens in the movie since accidents and other events can happen. There is no reason from stopping people from getting infinite time (also good luck stopping time pirates giving everyone time on the black market in exchange for resources of actual value, like bullets and guns to fight the communist but self-proclaimed capitalist government portraited in the movie).

Then towards the end there is a dialogue that goes like "for someone have a lot of time, many should have none". I mean, you see the shitty metaphor, right? That's not how it works in a free market economy. Everybody is better off because we exchange things we need with each other. I buy the milk from you, you buy the glasses for your kid, the optician buys something else, and that's it. We rearrange resources and we exchange what we create, in order to improve each other life. That's capitalism. There is nothing in it about taking from other people, forcing them to use an arbitrary resource as currency (time), and things like that.

In the end, the movie is fun, but I can't belive people can spend such huge resources accumulated thanks to a quasi-capitalism system, to create a world that is not capitalism, call it capitalism, and then shit of it. The only good thing is that it shows how shitty life is when the government interferes with the economy. Too bad people will get the opposite message.

As always, what can I say? Fuck the hollywood commie jews, I wish they would stop being such slanderous faggots.

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The world is going to end...I'm not sure I care anymore.

What do you do to distract yourself from the fact that every year the economic control of the State is going to get worse, that the younger demographic is very socialistic, the threat of the default of the entire financial system, and the threat of nuclear war and/or other apocalyptic events that always loom on the horizon?

I watch shitty Japanese cartoons, play videogames from the mid-90s, and then remember I'm just distracting myself as I listen to vaporwave in a depressive stupor.

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OC dump thread

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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where does /liberty/ stand on individualism and collectivism?

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any incels in here? will inceldom disappear in ancap? if yes then why are not all incels ancaps? maybe in ancap only high time preference people would be incels while virtuous, hard working, rich men would be nonvirgins?

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Anarcho-Egoism

Over time, after becoming anarcho-capitalist, I've began to realize that Max Stirner is right. I started out as a deontological anarcho-capitalist, but over time, I realized that morals are spooks. I realized many truths along the way.

1) Being deontological is an oxymoron. One of the most famous deontologists is Kant and Kantian Ethics defines rules as what would be most beneficial if everybody followed them. What's that? Rules are only good if people benefit from the consequences? Wow, it looks like you are actually a RULE CONSEQUENTIALIST. Anyone who is truly deontological for truly "moral" reasons is entirely devoid of logic and instead creates morals purely out of "feels." It's a petty disagreement, but an important note to make.

2) Deontology leads to ridiculous conclusions. According to deontology, morality is objective. What if I were to trespass on another's property in order to save someone's life? Would I be wrong to save someone's life? Would the owner be wrong to defend their property? Are we both right? Are we both wrong? Us being both right implies this is a moral grey-zone, meaning morals are not objective.

3) Traditional consequentialism is retarded. No-one can know the true consequences of their own actions for certain. Consequentialism is just gambling with ethics thrown in. Consequentialism sounds good on paper, but the consequences of this philosophy is collectivism. That one can be sacrificed for the good of the many. It fails by its own principles.

4) Morals are spooks. Moral rules are implemented in the form of laws with the purpose of stability and because they are most beneficial to each individual. Personal morals are simply pleasing your own "ego;" your desire to feel good about yourself. For example, to an anarcho-communist, no-one can own property and they do nothing wrong by robbing others of their property. From their perspective, property rights is the aggression. The problem with communists is that a communist society is not beneficial to the individual, as force is used to steal and because communist societies inevitably collapse under authoritarianism and mass-starvation.

5) Being an egoist does not mean you don't believe in human rights. It's just that human rights are derived practically instead of "morally." Any intelligent egoist can recognize, that in a society where "rights" are not respected, somebody will always have "rights." It's just that only those at the top will. And any intelligent individual will realize that, chances are, you will be the one stripped of your "rights." As such, it is for the benefit of the individual, the ego, to recognize others' "rights" so that they will recognize his own.

6) Everybody is an egoist. Egoism is simply the recognition that all actions are done for selfish reason. Even altruistic actions are done selfishly, to satisfy the egoists individual desire to be good.

Please explain how I'm a retard. Am I just being edgy and autistic? Am I being too petty over minor disagreements? Explain.

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Universal Basic Income - Andrew Yang

Another forced trannypol meme that is owed a measured response is the Universal Basic Income. It needs to be put down wherever it rears its hyperinflating head so here's some information I was able to put together.

Estimated current US Population over 18:

254,046,000

Cost of $1,000/mo ($12,000/yr) per 18+ individual per year:

$3,048,552,000,000

Current Total Federal Budget:

$3,422,000,000,000

Estimate total gross revenue of 10% VAT (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-would-rate-be-under-vat):

$712,000,000,000

>but people already receive benefits

True, but this proposal still involves much more spending; let's look at some of the bigger ones and maybe exclude the lesser ones:

62 million people currently receive Social Security benefits receiving an average of $1,200 monthly, so that group of people would add a substantially lower number versus what is already collected, 148,000,000,000 instead of 892,000,000,000 were they not already receiving benefits of some sort.

42 million SNAP beneficiaries receive an average of $253 a monthly so they would cost an additional 376,488,000,000 on top of the 127,512,000,000 they already receive (504,000,000,000)

All told that is a decrease of about 367.5 billion, but still leaves a 2.7 trillion dollar deficit unaccounted for

At best a 10% VAT (i.e. increasing the cost of all goods and services produced or offered throughout the entire country) will only help fund the UBI by around 25%. You would need a VAT of almost 40% to cover it in its entirety, or add the 10% VAT and also increase income tax revenue by 60%

>but the bureaucracy

Yang says that it will cut down on bureaucracy etc., but at least for the 62 million social security recipients who are already receiving more than $1,000 a month they have no incentive to leave the current system or its "bureaucracy" behind.

Also it's worse than it looks, consider the potential for fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFUDaPulUy4 ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X5jY14RRjk there will be illegal immigrants and many of their children who don't even live in the US claiming $1,000 a month who will benefit from this relaxed "bureaucracy" as well

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what's the cause of this house debt and student loan debt crisis? why is student loan debt and household debt skyrocketing? why are people buying less houses? is it the government or a side effect of the free market?

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Purity Spiral

Should chicagoans and other non-misesian libertarians even be called libertarian?

<Economist Milton Friedman considered Mises inflexible in his thinking:

>The story I remember best happened at the initial Mont Pelerin meeting when he got up and said, "You're all a bunch of socialists." We were discussing the distribution of income, and whether you should have progressive income taxes. Some of the people there were expressing the view that there could be a justification for it.

>Another occasion which is equally telling: Fritz Machlup was a student of Mises's, one of his most faithful disciples. At one of the Mont Pelerin meetings, Machlup gave a talk in which I think he questioned the idea of a gold standard; he came out in favor of floating exchange rates. Mises was so mad he wouldn't speak to Machlup for three years. Some people had to come around and bring them together again. It's hard to understand; you can get some understanding of it by taking into account how people like Mises were persecuted in their lives.

based Ludwig

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Justifications for Liberty

What is the best ethical justification for libertarianism? Mises used a utilitarian defence and argued that libertarianism ought to be adopted because it produces the most happiness and prosperity in the long run. This justification isn't particularly strong however, because many people have endgoals which they prioritize over liberty or prosperity. There is Hoppe's argumentation ethics, which essentially says that any action which infringes on the rights of others cannot be argued for without a contradiction, and thus that action is irrational. He also has the position that libertarianism is the best means of avoiding conflicts between people. Then there's Rothbard's view on the matter, which he explained in The Ethics of Liberty. The basic jist of this view is that it is natural for humans to exercise control over themselves and their justly-acquired property, and thus wrong for someone else to infringe on someone else's person or property and inflict their own will. There are probably other justifications which I am forgetting or unaware of as of yet, but which is the most concrete.

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What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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is pic related a good way to destroy competition in a free market?

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How French “Intellectuals” Ruined the West: Pozzmodernism and Its Impact, Explained

Pozzmodernism presents a threat not only to liberal democracy but to modernity itself. That may sound like a bold or even hyperbolic claim, but the reality is that the cluster of ideas and values at the root of Pozzmodernism have broken the bounds of academia and gained great cultural power in western society. The irrational and identitarian “symptoms” of Pozzmodernism are easily recognizable and much criticized, but the ethos underlying them is not well understood. This is partly because Pozzmodernists rarely explain themselves clearly and partly because of the inherent contradictions and inconsistencies of a way of thought which denies a stable reality or reliable knowledge to exist. However, there are consistent ideas at the root of Pozzmodernism and understanding them is essential if we intend to counter them. They underlie the problems we see today in Social Justice Activism, undermine the credibility of the Left and threaten to return us to an irrational and tribal “pre-modern” culture.

Pozzmodernism, most simply, is an artistic and philosophical movement which began in France in the 1960s and produced bewildering art and even more bewildering “theory.” It drew on avant-garde and surrealist art and earlier philosophical ideas, particularly those of Nietzsche and Heidegger, for its anti-realism and rejection of the concept of the unified and coherent individual. It reacted against the liberal humanism of the modernist artistic and intellectual movements, which its proponents saw as naïvely universalizing a western, middle-class and male experience.

It rejected philosophy which valued ethics, reason and clarity with the same accusation. Structuralism, a movement which (often over-confidently) attempted to analyze human culture and psychology according to consistent structures of relationships, came under attack. Marxism, with its understanding of society through class and economic structures was regarded as equally rigid and simplistic. Above all, Pozzmodernists attacked science and its goal of attaining objective knowledge about a reality which exists independently of human perceptions which they saw as merely another form of constructed ideology dominated by bourgeois, western assumptions. Decidedly left-wing, Pozzmodernism had both a nihilistic and a revolutionary ethos which resonated with a post-war, post-empire zeitgeist in the West. As Pozzmodernism continued to develop and diversify, its initially stronger nihilistic deconstructive phase became secondary (but still fundamental) to its revolutionary “identity politics” phase.

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Cronyism and Equality

Don't firms and individuals in a capitalist society have large incentives to rent-seek, in other words, isn't it the case that cronyism an endemic feature of capitalism?

If individuals with enough money can and have an incentive to use rent-seeking to get political favors, is that the real argument behind trying to force income equality? In other words, are proposals for income equality because of a more positive institutional arrangement than a direct moral argument?

Related Link:

http://files.libertyfund.org/econtalk/y2019/Mungercrony.mp3

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Recession predictions

What sectors do you think the next recession will be in? How bad do you think it will be?

My predictions:

- The city of NYC, the city of Chicago, or the State of Illinois will declare bankruptcy.

- Money will flow out of the municipal and state bond markets, causing interest rates to rise in these markets.

- Loads of municipal and State bankruptcies.

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What did they mean by this?

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German city steals your dog to pay for taxes

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/28/698900379/in-germany-family-pug-seized-and-sold-on-ebay-to-cover-unpaid-debts?t=1551447480336

City of Ahlen had a family that wouldn't pay their taxes. So they went to their house, took the dog, and sold him on eBay. I fucking shit you not. They sold their fucking dog on eBay over a tax debt.

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QTDDTOT

Old one is auto-saging. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc., go here. If you have a "what about ____" question you'd like to ask that you're really, really sure will stump everyone this time, do a quick look over this list: (http://archive.is/bbtHt) before you post–chances are, someone has asked that question before, and there's already an answer or answers available to you.

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If someone is a psychopath and they believe in stealing, what makes your opinion better than theirs? Inb4 'I'll just shoot them'. No one cares. I want to know the answer to the question above.

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>students for liberty

have you been at their events? how was it? what do you think about this organisation? inb4 cucked sjws

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Redpill me on the mouse utopia.

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PORN BLOCKED IN THE UK

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/8565486/porn-uk-ban-unlock-card/

>As early as next month, porn sites will be required to get proof of ID from UK residents before showing any X-rated clips.

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think about it

>usa

>guns are legal

>self defence is legal

>everyone owns guns

<no one uses them

>Brazil

>guns are illegal

>self defence is illegal

>rascism is illegal

<pic related

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kelthuz on dtube

https://d.tube/#!/v/kelthuzzar/vzzf7ak1

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What are the things still debated within the Austrian school? What are the controversies and gaps in the theory people are trying to solve?

I remember there was an article on Mises.org about how Joseph Salerno and Rothbard failed to solve some difficulty in monetary theory or something.

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european here

can are there any borders between states in the usa? if no, does it mean that people travel with guns from states with very liberal gun laws to states with very strict gun laws?

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european here

can are there any borders between states in the usa? if no, does it mean that people travel with guns from states with very liberal gun laws to states with very strict gun laws?

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What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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few days ago i was listening to podcast-lecture about freedom from university

and professor said that on haiti when slaves were freed then they found out it was not easy to live free

and they wanted to become slaves again but ex-slave-owners did not want to have slaves any more because of morality of enlightment age

and finally ex-slaves got angry and killed their ex-owers

is it true? im european so i dont know much about caribbean history (nevertheless i was on haiti for vacation) and i cant find confirmation for these claims i heard from that lecture

help me verify these claims

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are ashkenazi Jews on average more left-wing even when you control for variables other than jewishness?

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Is it legitimate to go to war to destroy the value of competitors to comparatively raise the value of your services on the market?

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Is UBI (universal basic income) as bad as everyone makes it out to be?

Studies show it would grow the US economy by 2.5 trillion

It would do that in many ways. Corporations just keep lots of money sitting around. If that wealth could be taxed or distributed to people who weren't as rich like the working class. When the working class or the middle class get the money they would actually spend the money creating economic growth. They spend money in lots of sectors creating jobs, put more money into circulation, etc. UBI would also increase the overall happiness of the country.

So how would UBI be bad if it was distributed to the working and middle classes?

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how do you prevent idiocracy from happening due to free market capitalism?

social media and desensitizing media will make the population dumber

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>Baltimore crime is through the roof

>lawmakers decide to vote on a statewide long gun registry and licence and leaves room for possible confiscation

>one county sheriff says he wont comply with this new law if it passes

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/28/maryland-sheriff-gun-confiscation-bill-we-will-not-comply/

based

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what other boards do you lurk?

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BBC and TV licenses

Why dont the British simply defund the BBC and/or just make it a private company? Especially when they are caught red handed trying to lie to the people?

tl;dw-Panorama was caught saying they were working with Hope Not Hate (basically the UK version of the SPLC) in order to just lie about Tommy Robinson in order to discredit him

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have you ever meet other ancap irl?

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Why is it that neetsocs are capable of this kind of autism but ancaps are only capable of being frustrated when a leftist posts on their board?

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Which is the most effective means to usher in a voluntary society in the long run?

The methods I've seen on /liberty/ so far are:

>Working within the state to enact reforms, educating the masses, and/or peaceful demonstrations

>Libertarian homesteading on sea/space/terra nullius

>Participating in the black/gray market to undermine state control of the economy

>Bunkering down with ample supplies and ammo and waiting for government to collapse

>Armed struggle followed by a temporary regime to purge collectivism and reorient society along voluntary lines

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What's a private business anymore?

Are major corporations really private businesses? E.g., is it more accurate to consider Google to be a private corporation, or just another agency of the U.S. federal government–with some PR dressing to make it seem like they aren't? Does the U.S. federal government use the FBI and it's impossible-to-comply legal code to essentially blackball any remotely useful private agency to become another wing of the U.S. federal government?

Does private business even exist in the U.S. anymore, aside from maybe some plumbers in the Midwest?

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Draft

>Women declared equal regarding combat roles

>Women now eligible for draft

>Still not requiring women to sign up for the draft would be inconsistent

>Draft abolished altogether

Big win. A single silver lining actually can actually come out of something feminists touched.

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Common Thread Topic Catalog

Can we start a catalog of common threads. I feel like we have the same conversations every few months because threads 404 after a period.

Common topics like

>Chicago vs Austrian Schools

>Mutualism

>Why the different types of socialism suck

>Intellectual Property debate

>Abortion

>Open vs Closed Borders

>Hoppe and Paleolibertarians

>Oligopoly in AnCap and Natural Monopolies

>Egoism and Stirner

>Why /pol/ and NeetSoc are stupid

Feel free to name any more common threads that crop up every few months

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The state of Liberty

There is a movement to divide Washington state and create a new state called Liberty

>Creation of new state strictly by gun rights activists

>75% of Eastern WA population supports movement, has congressional backing with multiple bills

>low tax obligations-“government doesn’t produce or own wealth—citizens do”

>”The right to manage and protect life and property will be honored at all levels of government.”

>Currently a voting contest for what the official state rifle will be

https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/split-washington-in-two-51st-state-movement-highlights-cultural-divide

https://libertystate.org

https://libertystate.org/about/grievances/

The creation of a new state is constitutional

>Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States allows for the division of a state with a simple majority vote of the Legislature of the state and Congress:

>“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

>https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-iv

Would anyone from /liberty/ move to the state Liberty if it was created?

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http://archive.is/jV263

>The short answer to 'how we will pay for' the Green New Deal is easy.

>We'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>This is how we do it – always has been, always will be.

>The money that's spent, for its part, is never 'raised' first.

>To the contrary, federal spending is what brings that money into existence.

Well, shit. Why don't we just sign a bill funding research into genetically engineered catgirls in space? After all, we'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whose educational background is in economics, understands as few leaders seem to do that our problems of late have been problems of deflation, not inflation.

Because when people complain about being in millions of dollars in debt, that's a problem of deflation.

This is what it looks like when you sentence economics to a spiral of continual degradation, until it has distilled into pure shitfuckery. How does it feel to know this isn't even its final form? How does it feel to know you're going to be able to watch this get implemented in public policy, in slow motion, all within your lifetime?

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>lol corporations wouldn't exist in a free mark-

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http://archive.is/jV263

>The short answer to 'how we will pay for' the Green New Deal is easy.

>We'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>This is how we do it – always has been, always will be.

>The money that's spent, for its part, is never 'raised' first.

>To the contrary, federal spending is what brings that money into existence.

Well, shit. Why don't we just sign a bill funding research into genetically engineered catgirls in space? After all, we'll pay for it just as we pay for all else: Congress will authorize necessary spending, and Treasury will spend.

>Representative Ocasio-Cortez, whose educational background is in economics, understands as few leaders seem to do that our problems of late have been problems of deflation, not inflation.

Because when people complain about being in millions of dollars in debt, that's a problem of deflation.

This is what it looks like when you sentence economics to a spiral of continual degradation, until it has distilled into pure shitfuckery. How does it feel to know this isn't even its final form? How does it feel to know you're going to be able to watch this get implemented in public policy, in slow motion, all within your lifetime?

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NATSOC economics

I found an article that narrates the financial activities of the NATSOC Germany, how so many private companies could accept bills as payment?, also it explains why the goverment persecuted people behind the private banks.

https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany

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This makes me fucking livid. This and the Tommy Robinson shit.

If the law is this fucking arbitrary, then the voices claiming that "violence is not the answer" is soon going to lose. When peaceful conversation is impossible, violent confrontation is going to be inevitable. If any Englishmen are on the board, let me know if you're planning on starting shit.

>b-b-b-ut anon, they could send you to jail for inciting a–

We're at the point where they could send me to jail for making a pug joke! Why the fuck are you concerned with that now?! The risk analysis is starting to come out at parity with just living out your life normally at the rate England is going!

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I thought Capitalism worked

Why are wages rising with productivity?

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The Nordic model isnt socialist

This thread is in honor of Bernie Sanders announcing his run for the presidency. Its only a matter of time now until his dumbass supporters wont shut the fuck up about how "hurr the scandanavia countries are perfect examples of how well socialism works!" and proving how dumb this lie is

>From last election, the Danish Prime Minister informs Bernie that his country isnt socialist

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

>sorry Bernie bros, but Nordic countries are NOT socialist

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#ad4079c74ad3

>Nordic countries arent socialist; theyre free trade lovers

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/402682-nordic-nations-are-not-socialist-theyre-free-trade-lovers

>Mises Institute: "Face it, nordic countries arent socialist"

https://mises.org/wire/face-it-nordic-countries-arent-socialist

>The Myth of the "socialist" Scandinavian countries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY27TBAFqBE

just remember all this for when you start seeing your bernie bro retarded friends inevitably bring this up

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Educating the Masses

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen! :) I made a youtube channel to attempt to wake people up and educate people about the things that aren't often talked about openly. I'm not doing this for myself in any way, shape or form. I don't need subscribers but if you want to subscribe that's cool. Thanks for your time. Have a nice day :D

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTfaAnj5NbNHeNDJAEQT7-Q?view_as=subscriber

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Pixel War Now

The liberty-promoting zone at the center of the pixel canvas was completely tarnished by COMMIES. Commies organize using discord, and can't keep to themselves. Are you going to let them shit on us?

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FUCK CAPITALISM!!!

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Jews in libertarianism

>Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, Galicia, Austria-Hungary (Ukrainian : Lviv, now Ukraine).

Should this concern me?

Do I have any guarantee that he was not informed by malicious talmudism, given that he was probably exposed to it? Everything he wrote certainly seems to counter it.

>You're just a /pol/ anti-semite

The NWO is overwhelmingly Jewish. The Frankfurt school is the Genesis of our present statist situation. Obviously you're not a member of the NWO by virtue of being born a heeb

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Political Depression

Me ten years ago:

>ABOLISH THE NSA.

>RE-ESTABLISH THE GOLD STANDARD.

>LET THE GOVERNMENT DEFAULT.

>ABOLISH MEDICARE/MEDICAID.

>ABOLISH THE ACA.

>ELIMINATE ALL CURRENCY CONTROLS.

>BRING ALL THE TROOPS HOME.

I'd be so fucking happy with just the following:

>TSA gets rid of the body scanners.

>Copyright law can not have even more years in length without a supermajority.

>Currency controls are inflation adjusted

I just want a little bit more freedom again :(. God, I just want to see things trend in a positive direction for once.

This world is so fucking depressing. Every year gets a little worse.

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Libertarian Right General

Hoppeanism!

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What would happen to E-Thots in a free Society, once their paypigs run off?

Who will take care of them?

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tranhumanism thread

it is related to libertarianism because transhumanism gives freedom and liberty

so are you taking smart drugs or anything?

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He's Back

Should we be worried?

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Window Q

Awesome!

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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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Republicans > libertarians

I was a libertarian from the time I discovered rom paul in 2004. I was 14, and hated bush and hated republicans. Then when i around 25 an i started to think about the media and trump and seeing how badly they lied. I then realized this was because all the media companies are owned by seven companies. Including many of your “local news” Broadcast, they are all owned by a small group of people. Then I realize that i as a libertarian could not make a argument for regulating the media, or banks, or anything really. Thats when started down the path of republicanism. I know the party is garbage, but the founding ideas are better then libertarianism.

This thread is for libertarians who became republicans to discuss. or for libertarians to tell me why im wrong. Cuz ive been having a faith crisis of sorts.

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Convince me to abandon the state

How would a society without a state and no limits on "personal freedom" not degrade into a degenerate multiculti Globohomo society? How would it last with no restrictions on trade? There would be deficits the economy would shit itself. You cannot privatize borders anyone would be free to wonder in. Society would lose all its values and no one would create children anymore and the society would ultimately die.

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Deep State

https://www.americahijackedbook.com

Motivated by money and power, Deep State actors grasped control of this country long ago, and since the election of Donald Trump, they've been grabbing and grasping for any last shred of power that they once held over us. Understanding how these actors received their power is critical in understanding why they abused it. Through America Hijacked, we'll take a critical look into the policies and practices of nearly every administration up until modern day to see just how the Deep State came to be, and how they hijacked America for their own personal benefit.

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Are Neetsocs actually this retarded?

I was reading through Patrick Little's (a NeetSoc who ran for Senate last year in California and got 1% of the vote) platform and I saw this

>Nationalize Google, Facebook, Twitter, and all other natural monopolies in the IT industry.

>natural monopolies such as Google, Facebook

WEW

Also this guy wants to give reparations to blacks LOL

https://littlerevolution.us/2018/01/21/platform/

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TSA

Is the TSA just going to be around forever now? Is there any agorist way around this agency? In two decades from now, will I still see nude scanners in an airport?

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Mises U 2019

https://mises.org/events/mises-university-2019

Do you want to talk with other ancaps and bully minarchists someplace other than online, without roving /leftypol/ shitposters to disrupt everything? Would you like to do it with people who dress neatly and can string a sentence together? Of course you do! So why not get a collection of /liberty/ posters together to go to Mises University this summer? I went last year and I can say with certainty I had an excellent time, not just with the lectures but the chance to talk with people about various subjects relating to Austrian economics, natural law, and liberty. If you're a uni student, undergrad or graduate, you're basically guaranteed a scholarship, so if you get yourself there you won't have to pay for anything. Anyone up for it?

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hoppe thread

is he an atheist?

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Why do you call it ancap when anarchy is capitalistic by nature? Is it because the word anarchy has been sorely tainted by kike rule?

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How did the yellow jackets organize?

Can Americans copy anything from how the yellow jackets organized to reclaim some freedom for themselves?

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How do you prevent others from copying your business ideas in the free market? I'm not implying that the gubmint should step in and start fucking shit up for everyone, but I'm working on some imageboards right now, and I want to know how you could implement cool features in a way that only YOU have that niche and no one else (eg: a more popular imageboard) tries to copy it.

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Determinism and Individualism

How is Libertarianism or even individualism compatible with the real world? It's pretty obvious humans do not have free will. You don't choose how you were raised, whether you were abused, your gender, race, sexuality, your parents the diet you were raised on, intelligence. There have also been studies that show people thought they were in control of a mouse when moving it even though they weren't. Another study showed that activity of just 256 neurons was sufficient enough to predict someone's with 80% accuracy someone's decision to move 700 milliseconds before they became aware of it. This shows that your brain makes decisions even before you do. When you become conscious of these decisions you think you are making them even though your brain already made them. So since no one has free will how can you just think individualism will fix everything. Everyone who is at the top had good parents, weren't abused, didn't have mental illness. Then other people who also didn't choose anything will have to suffer because they were just unlucky. This is also shows that the NAP is not moral either because you cannot kill someone for something they have done that was already determined. It is moral to put them in prison because it benefits the greater good by letting them no longer be a threat to the safety of others. It would also be moral to give treatment to someone for their condition. Killing them like the NAP says is not moral.

>inb4 fatalist strawman

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how to remove bureaucrats?

As you know the biggest obastacle between us and a free society is the parasitic middle-class. Those bureaucrats, cops, etc are a big problem because not only they cost us a lot of money, but they do a lot of shit that hinders business and entrepeneurship.

At the same time, you can't just fire them all at once because it's not politically feasable.

So, here's my plan to solve the problem with these parasites. Now, this plan has been devised for a nation where the State has a lot of power all over the territory, I understand that with the self-imposed limits on the federal government in the US such a plan would be much more difficult to achieve.

Basically you have to distract the parasites by feeding them more privileges while paving the way for a physical removal, so that they don't know what's happening.

>you make a law that gives them longer vacations, but at the same time you close big offices and spread them all around the city. This way, they are forced to hop from location to the other in order to get the job done. This means that they can do less damages and are also more stressed and also are forced to spend more money.

>then you make a law to give them a one time yearly bonus, like 1000$ or something, but at the same time you increases the repetitive and useless tasks. The objective is to make the tasks take a toll on their mind and, of course, on their back and hands.

>a third law is the creation of new roles, which would be considered a promotion. But in order to get the role, they need to move to a new office that is far from where they are now. Also you make them travel a lot for "meetings"

>then you lower the number of hours they need to work each day, while mantaining the same pay, but you increase the competences of various institution, so you can merge them. So, slowly you have the IRS joining the police and the police joining the military

>the final step is having the ability to send them to work in Africa or Middle-East. Since they are into the "national construction agency", of course they need to supervise the building of homes for the poor in Africa. Since they are into the "security agency", of couser they need to move to the middle-east

If everything goes well, most people should die of old age or exhaustion, those that remain can be slowly moved away. I think it's doable in 8 years, you need to buy the vote before the election of course and don't forget to block the hiring of new people.

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>people who get a degree in economics don't know Mises, Rothbard, Hayek or the austrian school even exist

Ok, explain this. I mean, either austrian economics is so wrong that can't even be considered economics, or States schools are so scared they don't even name it, like it was the bald wizard from Harry Potter or something.

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Prove that natural monopolies don't exist

4chan and 8chan both have a monopoly on image boards. they didn't lobby any government it's just the way it is. anybody can set up a clone using open source software but it would never be as successful because a user base would not migrate. so why wouldn't this happen with a bunch of other platforms too in a free market?

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Maduroshills are idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSSczrebJWE

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Chaos Theory

Why don't libertarians respect chaos theory more?

https://mises.org/library/chaos-theory-destroying-mathematical-economics-within-full-edition

It feels like a great way to get out of the old determinism v. free will debate by arguing about whether certain classes of natural phenomena are predictable as opposed to 'predetermined.' You can better incorporate the salients points of Hayek's local knowledge and Mises' calculation arguments. You can point out socialist hubris. Finally, you can actually speak in a harder and more rigorous scientific point of view.

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bum living

1. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY IN CHEAPEST WAYS POSSIBLE, without expensive rent, 40 year mortgage etc ? you can propose many different options and what's upfront and/or monthly cost

examples: living in RV/van/car, homeless/homelessness shelter, some cheap land and mobile home, sharing a flat or house with someone, etc

2. HOW TO LIVE IN YOUR COUNTRY ANONYMOUSLY - that means, to have different official address (to get letters etc), but different true address (where you sleep, make food)? so the police or your enemies cannot easily come to your place to "suicide" you

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How stupid does someone have to be before they can be recognized as subhuman and thus undeserving of natural rights?

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Fun Thread: Idea for a /liberty/-themed hentai gaimu

In the future, the world is run by a single planetary government, new laws declare all people to now be no longer legally considered human, except Males whose Genetics are 75% or Greater West-European, 75% or Greater East-Asian, or are 50% West-European and 50% East Asian.

Females and those who were not White or Yellow became less than animals, they now had the same legal status as inanimate objects with no value whatsoever, anything could be done to them, and they could become the property of any West-European or East-Asian Male, if that occurred, they'd have some measure of protection in the same way any piece of property receives legal protection from the property rights of the owner, however, this offers nothing in the way of the property's protections from their owner, or from anyone acting with the owner's consent.

The planetary government had segregated the planet according to race, giving the West-Europeans exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the East-Asians, and giving the East-Asians exclusive ownership of all the land and water they had arrived in before the West-Europeans, no member of one of these two races is permitted to immigrate into the territory of the other race, though visitation is permitted, Half-Breeds between the two races may immigrate between both of these territories, being the only ones permitted to do so, but they are also forbidden from working within any government positions, being the only racial group to face such a limitation.

The only laws of the planetary government that now exist (for those they still apply to), are the laws of the Non-Aggression Principle, meaning that the only crimes are property crimes and crimes against the person, the principles of consent and ownership form the foundation of all laws, this means that crimes like murder and theft are all that remain, and everything else, such as intellectual property and any limitations on the freedom of expression, animal rights, labor rights, and even the age of consent have all been completely abolished, this means that things such as cannibalism, necrophilia, incest, pedophilia, and bestiality have all been permanently legalized, since the laws cannot be changed by anyone, even those at the highest levels of power are rendered powerless to make a single change since the act of doing so is treason.

The government itself has been pared down to that of a Night-Watchman State, only the services needed to enforce the laws, respond to emergencies, and to protect the planet from any possible threats exist, all funded by taxation, which the government considered another necessary exception to the rule of the NAP, the taxes are collected as a Georgian Land Value Tax, meaning that every landowner pays the government a flat percentage of the total value of their land as a form of ground rent to the state, "owning land" is instead considered to be renting it from the state under this system, as such, the term has been replaced by "holding land", the "landowners" are instead referred to as "landholders", and the system is similar to a serf renting land from their lord under feudalism.

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Chaos Theory

Why don't libertarians respect chaos theory more?

https://mises.org/library/chaos-theory-destroying-mathematical-economics-within-full-edition

It feels like a great way to get out of the old determinism v. free will debate by arguing about whether certain classes of natural phenomena are predictable as opposed to 'predetermined.' You can better incorporate the salients points of Hayek's local knowledge and Mises' calculation arguments. You can point out socialist hubris. Finally, you can actually speak in a harder and more rigorous scientific point of view.

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I'm looking for books/articles that depicts in a positive light the libertarian era in the US. In particular I'm fascinated about the rise of big companies, private infrastructures, etc

I can always find hints of this in some books of austrian economists but I'm looking for something more specific and more of a light read.

Do you have any suggestions?

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we're fucked

>Zognald signs bill amnestying more slaves who will vote for more gibs which will give the government more control who will terrorize us even more and even more of our freedom and we're too stupid, lazy, and weak to actually fight back and just take all of this up the ass.

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WATER FREEDOM

Should people have to pay for water?

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Why do some AnCaps think they can survive in "their" perfect world?

Some AnCaps believe they can survive and live the Fallout dream? Why are they so disillusioned while others could possibly do it?

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tell me the most redpill thing you know

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In ancapistan why wouldn't rich governments just buy all the land?

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greetings laddingtons

i want to read about s pinochet? what books can you recommend?

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Rights for Ancaps/Minor Attracted Persons

Debate the intended message of this ad campaign, and why it's a positive step forward for society.

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/librety/lend - Decentralized money network

If American Communists pay through GoFundMe and Patreon, Centrists pay through Paypal and Credit/Debit Card, ☭☭European Communists☭☭ pay through WeChat and Yandex Pay, what will /librety/lads pay with?

Bitcoin and Ethereum are excellent alternatives to unreliable (((bank accounts))) that can be closed for being a part of an Alt-Right organization. (see → >>12778968 or http://archive.is/YIAOR) However, not everyone trusts opening a Bitcoin/Ethereum wallet with a clear Chinese entity used by druggies and porn addicts. The time for a /pol/ form of payment is now.

Here is the system I am suggesting… name it “/librety/lend™”

>User 1 wants a product from User 2

>User 1 send paper money directly to /pol/pay with a form attached

>User 2 receives the money physically, User 2 sends the money to his Church

/librety/lads could even give money to other countries. If a German from Berlin needs a product from America. The American could send his money to /librety/lend, /librety/lend HAM radio’s /librety/lend Berlin, and /librety/pay Berlin sends the money to the German. /librety/lend Berlin would be supplied the money in advance by investors.

Essentially, /liberty/lend is a underground bank network. Money comes in and proxy money comes out. The money is shipped in a special envelope that cannot show the money inside with a heat scanner.

It’s the perfect money exchange system for /librety/lads across the world.

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/liberty/, where to emigrate to?

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usa

what dont you like in the burgerland?

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Why aren't more libertarians moving out to sea?

>No taxes

>No property taxes

>No government

>No gun laws

>The only time you'll be taxed is for buying fuel

>Can catch food out at sea

>You're a free man not bound to any country

>Undisturbed

>Can freely enter any country along the shore

>Can invest in Bitcoin for money

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Our Finest Hours.

BROOOTHERSS!!!!

WE MUST UNITE THE NOBLEST AND STRONGEST BLOOD OF THE CHAN.

FOR IT IS A HOUSE UNITED THAT STANDS

THIS LAND SHALL NO LONGER BE DIVIDED UNDER THE RULE OF THE HERETICS

THE RULE OF NETFLIX

THE RULE OF JEWTUBE

THE RULE OF THE JESUITS.

IT IS TIME, THAT THE STRONGEST OF OUR BREED

BECOME GENESIS: BECOME NETFLIX.

Lets turn 8chs into the worlds best television network and recruitement office and force against evil. I just had this idea over in a board on pol and it went dead instantly. I cant post on pol now.

Who will stand in the face of evil and inequity.

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now that the dust has settled

since democracy was a mistake, what's the alternative?

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Avocado Crisis

How would the free market solve the avocado crisis?

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who is the weirdest ancap?

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Where's the root?

If there was one law you could make in the U.S. or repeal, what would it be?

Of course, this is just a thought experiment for essentially asking, "What do you think the root is?"

I would argue it's the Federal Reserve and monetary inflation. Without the golden handcuffs, the government has no reason to stop its expanse. This is bolstered by the fact that since the Nixon shock the U.S. has stagnated in almost every conceivable way possible, and nearly every socioeconomic graph has an inflection point at 1971. As such, I'd return back to the gold standard, but I don't know how I would write such a law so that it actually sticks.

I know /pol/ argues that it's the Jews, but when I take their arguments and s/Jews/whites/ it sounds like stuff Robert Mugabe would say, so I can't take their arguments seriously.

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i fucking love based korwin

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39152562

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>the only quote of molyneux at wikipedia is the cringe one

can we change it?

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What a failed ideology ancrap is. It would become Africa within months.

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why is greece bankrupt?

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is there a regularity that every generation has less and less freedom and liberty?

mp4rel not really related

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does turkey support terrorism? why?

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libertarians in the west

>John McAfee @officialmcafee

>People say I would be tough on the Russians. Nonsense. I long to have a drinking contest with Putin, and I have already registered with the 2020 Vladivostok public dick measuring contest, where, due to an extremely rare genetic deformity, I will, unquestionably win

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>Dark Enlightenment

thoughts?

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do we have any asian users or users residing in asia (sensu lato)?

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in d*mocracy political parties DO have incentive to take care of future, unlike hoppe says, because they want to be elected once again

prove me wrong

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what about making /liberty/ bingo?

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anon, have you ever had problems with cops/law?

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What will prevent Soros from buying land, building shelters and bringing african refugees without the state?

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repost Disarmament/ police state

im linking and reposting my thread on pol. figured it might be enjoyed here since they seem to be just magazine readers there.

>>12690081

the state of pol is terrible. i cant take it anymore so now im going to start threads and bring this gossip filled shithole back to intellectual standards.

https://www.un.org/disarmament/

united nations office for disarmament affairs

What is World Peace that the communists speak of? it is the absence of resistance to their control, that is how the intellectual communist/globalist defines Peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orFWodMG9Tw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzPtZ7tUZs

the fag city of tomorrow, watched, tracked, metered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLd9epioZOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct3Y6OMrucQ

commies talking about how great being controlled is, notice the yellow in relation to this subject. this project is tagged with yellow among the commies and globalists. probably in reference to the jew stars but idk

>The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.

>The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.

although i can not verify that these are quotes from Marx they are attributed to him, if not his words they do describe the obvious route that communism and globalism is taking and has been on for some time.

why is this political, well all law and and news is political these days(not dog in a hot car gay shit but real news),

all the "terrorism" is directed at the public with a reason, militarization of the public common areas, limitation on travel, submission to the state through mandatory identification and search, facial recognition cameras and audio identifiers, license plate tracking cameras and other gay ass regulations to stifle you as an expressive human. expression cannot be tolerated in a controlled and planned State.

the threat of NUCLEAR WAR has been used since the development of the bomb. after the collapse of the few remaining sovereign powers of ww1 the public was the new focus for control as all meaningful consolidated opposition to a single world government was entirely eradicated.

ww2 was the war of public control. as you can see the german people were undeniably brought under the leash, the British empire began spoiling its citizens with public welfare, america began the image campaign as the worlds police and communism was left to destroy the asian empires that would not have otherwise been defeated through aggressive force, subversion of their culture through envy and greed was the best option at the time. and historically most effective on nationalist countries. look at american culture today.

PART 1

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BLEACHISM

White men should develop a culture of race mixing where women of particular races are selected due to the intelligence or culture of those races. White men allowed jews to take control of the media, and as a result the media has been used to misguide white women. Now there has been irreparable damage done to white women by the lies they have been fed by jews and so while some white women are worthy to be reproduced with by white men, many white women are no longer fit to reproduce with a white man. It is a sad situation but many white men must move on to new pastures.

It is our fault our women have become corrupted like this. But some of us must explore new pastures, we can't wait our whole lives for women who have been mentally destroyed to wake up.

I will submit some races who it is acceptable for a white man to reproduce with. East Asian women are acceptable. Iranian women are acceptable, and some arab women. Despite being called "poos" some Indian women are acceptable. To be honest Americans can equally be called poos, our homeless population of all colors shits everywhere in the big cities.

As for black women or mulatto women, I would say it is acceptable for someone like Meghan Markle to be brought into the fold, but a white man shouldn't really be joining in with the black community, too many problems there. In general black descended women should be avoided but maybe there are some exceptions to the rule there. But as a rule of thumb avoid race mixing with black people, although some can transcend the culture of the black community.

Hispanics are acceptable to race mix, Latina women are fine to race mix. Ultimately it all comes down to feeling out the situation and getting a sense to see if a particular woman can be a vessel through which your intelligence can survive in future generations. And for many white men this would be a white woman, but white women have become so corrupted that many white men should bleach non-white women with their white sperm, for the uninitiated, to bleach means to impregnate a non-white. #bleachright

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Northwest Front

If a national socialist country was "smaller government" than the US, would you move there?

Would you fight for it?

Alternatively, would it be worth compromising my libertarian sensibilities to allow my children to live among my race?

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Has there been any libertarian discussion on the future of automation, and what it has in store for labor, and the workplace? I remember economists talking about how the gig-economy was going to be the future of work as labor becomes more automated.

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Vicious Circle

1 - X has a problem

2 - Regulation is pushed to address X.

3 - Regulatory compliance increases overhead costs, or regulatory agency gets captured by current industry (because where else are you going to find people who understand the industry enough to be able to regulate it?).

4 - Firms centralize even more. Costs increase even more. Either the price increases, quality decreases, or shortages increase.

5 - Issue X is now even worse.

6 - Goto 1.

7 - Eventually become Venezuela.

How do you stop this vicious cycle?

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Capitalism is better for the lazy and the NEETs

A terrible misunderstanding that I see happening again and again is that socialism is for lazy people and the free-market is for the hard working ones.

This is false and very bad for the pro-free-market propaganda.

Let's be honest: while you may be in love with slaving away most of your day, a lot of people aren't. These people have as much a say as you in how life should be lived.

The problem is that a lot of free-market propaganda usually goes against NEETs and people who don't want to work hard. How often we see free-market people ranting against those lazy leftists? Yet, if anything, a lazy person has much more chances to find a way to live his preferred lifestyle under a free-market than under socialism.

Let's see why.

Under socialism prices of basic goods are set by the State, so one has to work a fixed amount of hours in order to get them. When they aren't, their price is always higher than it would be under free-market because the allocation of resources is suboptimal and it's also affected by sales and other taxes needed for welfare and the central plan.

The welfare is never distributed across all people but just certain categories and in many different form. It almost never happens under socialism than a person who doesn't want to work is allowed to do so if he isn't part of an heavily protected category.

Under socialism one is eventually called to do "his part" and get a job. This means that, with slighty difference based on how socialism is realized, one is forced to get the job that the central planners offer him via the job centre or face the losing different form of welfare. There is also a very limited choice in which job to get, since under socialism one has to possess certifications and licenses before accessing certain kind of jobs. There are also always limits in the kind of contracts and work conditions and arrangements that can be made for the worker. This is decided by the central planners for "the good of the workers", but in practice it means that an employer must always offer an 8-hour-day job to someone and the employee is forced to accept due to the unfree-market conditions or other laws.

Under socialism there is also no respect for private property and savings. You can't really plan to work for some years and then retire, because the State doesn't let you to hold on your private property for long. You are either not authorized to have private property, or maybe the socialist State will ask you so many taxes that you will slowly lose your money and be forced to work again, just to pay them. Let's not forget how the value of the currency erodes fast under repeating rounds of quantitative easing.

The reality is that socialism is slavery for everyone. It's under socialism that someone will be a slave, because under socialism you're forced to live the lifestyle that the central planners have in mind, not the lifestyle we choose. And not by coincidence, this lifestyle requires a lot of hard daily work for a lousy pay. After all a worker is not only working to sustain himself but also the whole community and the numerous inefficiencies of the market.

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Full Doug Casey Mode

I'm really concerned about the future /liberty/. My generation seem to be full on socialists, and I worry about them bankrupting the U.S. and completely destroying the economy or in the best case "only" having several decades of stagnation.

I was thinking this over, and on a personal level, I would like to at least maintain a similar standard of living to what I have now, and it would be nice to completely avoid the nihilistic thoughts that come with imagining the U.S. going socialist. To that end, I personally do not want to "grab SK, go inna woods." Prepping would mean I would have to hold off on my life for a decade, then hold on while economic strife and devastation takes hold in the worst case, or enduring a lost decade of stagnation before coming out and actually seeing any positive future opportunities, and I don't think I could psychologically handle that.

To that end, the best thing I can think of doing is going full on Doug Casey and trying to just be as international as possible, but I do not know the best way to orient myself and my skillset to doing that (I'm a programmer who got his job by applying in rather rural places where there is not a tech industry, that way I do not have a whole lot of competition and can make do with my meager skillset). Moreover, the places where I do have contacts to potentially find employment overseas, know some of the language, and have possibilities for citizenship (Argentina, Benelux (and using Schengen, French/Spanish speaking parts of the EU, assuming that they stay together)) do not have much prospects for the future either, I feel. But then again, they might not go full socialist like it seems like the U.S. is going to go politically.

What are my options here? I was thinking about going back into actuarial work, but trying to get certification in the EU. Maybe with age I'm not as shit a worker as I once was.

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> the united states of america in 2019

What went wrong

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Hypothetical

Let's say we live in a world where fire extinguishers cost one penny (at our current exchange rate)

Would it be an immoral imposition on the part of the state to require fire extinguishers in rented housing at the threat of a fine?

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Dead board but whatever.

I worked on Rand Paul's and Gary Johnson's campaign. AMA.

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Italy going full Venezuela. Fuck my life.

Italy is on the exact same road of Venezuela.

The spirit the current government has is the same of the Chavez/Maduro combo.

After all a few years ago, withVenezuela were already in full crisis, a delegation of the M5S, the party that is at the government now, went to visit Venezuela. They declared, and I'm not joking nor paraphrasing "there are some problems in Venezuela but the government made many good things, like the music curriculum in the schools".

Anyway the last proposal is so outrageous I had to open up a thread. Yeah, they did propose to regulate the dance instructors market, so that you need to pass an exam and get a license and into a "dance instructors board" in order to teach zumba class and shit like that (not kidding). But they now did something even worse.

They want to "centralize ecommerce". They think it's unfair that big business have an advantage and therefore all products sold online will need to have the same price. They will need to be registered on the blockchain someway and everything will need to be known about them.

I mean, I know it doesn't make sense both economically and technologically, but that's what they want to do.

Same price faggots.

Same price.

I fucking hate my life. Where the fuck do I move?

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Remembering Mistakes Thread

Friendly reminder that the Libertarian Party, YAL, Reason, FEE, and SFL (among others) all publicly endorsed this faggot/had a private effort on social media in pushing him as a "champion of the free market" and a "coming of the age of liberty," for anyone who still believes the retards in the big L libertarian movement deserve a voice/can be trusted to have any opinion in politics. One of the larger fuckups ranking up there with the no compromise attitude that state's rights are inherently just as bad as the federal government because some states want to ban abortion.

ITT remembering mistakes so "we" can rub it in libertine "libertarian's" faces don't repeat them.

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Egalitarians cannot defend their positions at all. The only thing they can do is resort to social shaming and appeals to authority, which reveals a lot about how they themselves came to adopt that belief. Even more educated speakers consistently fall back on dishonest rhetorical tactics designed to prevent actual discourse. It's even more hilarious in the case of anarchists who will be enslaved by the very subhuman they love, perhaps this is what they want.

>dude fascism means opressium lmao

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I see the argument that AnCap would devolve into feudalism thrown around quite a lot. Is it true?

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Can someone point me to video or a post about Curt Doolittle's ideas on how to organise the state?

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Random Image Dump

It's like a regular image dump, but random.

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PixelPlace AnCap Base

HELLO FAGGOTS

this site got launched yesterday: http://pixelplace.fun/@1046,859 and we are building an ancap base. if you don't join, you're a commie: http://discord.gg/QHv7PmR

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What would be the symptoms of the alleged 'socialist planning problem'?

Without private ownership of the means of production, there would be no price signals to automatically rank the most-and-least productive uses of the factors of production through a bidding process; economic planning would have to be used, whether with a computer or bureaucracy (though even a computer can only calculate, not see into people's minds to learn what they want and need, so it's unclear how this particularly helps).

Anyway, what would be the symptoms of this problem? Is it just 'we made things which didn't satisfy our wants as much as the set of goods capitalism would have made'?

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Who are you voting for in November, American /liberty/? Or will you be?

[spoiler]

Not sure if I should vote against the Democrats in the Congressional race this November because I want to send a message about how much I fucking hate this culture war.

Not sure if I should vote against the Republicans in the Congressional race this November because they can’t repeal Obamacare, let alone do anything meaningful, and are full of boomershit traitors like McCain was.

Not sure if I should just write "fuck you" on the ballots like I have been.

There are no third parties where I live.

[/spoiler]

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>pope francesco

thoughts?

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You're invited!

To watch football with The 5!

>What?

The Superb Owl fuck you google!

>When?

TODAY!

>Where?

Sportschan.org/sp !

>What should i bring?

Bring beer. Snax and loose women will be provided

Hope to see you there, /liberty/!

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Libertarian Christian Institute

Find a flaw

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question to ancaps

do you feel alienated?

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bUT mUh inCOMe INequALItY

What can we do about the new upswelling of support for socialism in the U.S.?

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>existentialism

opinions?

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are Ashkenazi Jews on average more left-wing even when you control for variables other than jewishness?

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/just/ stream

The day is soon upon us where Brendan Fraser will pay his final $50,000, his final alimony cheque and that day is 31st January. To celebrate, /just/ hosts a stream of some Brendan classics so join us as we call an end to Brendan's JUST and unfrick his shit.

Stream: https://cytu.be/r/UNJUST

>>>/just/

Pre-Stream begins at 6pm EST with the movies starting from 6:30pm EST, January 31st.

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norway wants to expel polish consul for he protected polish families

scandinavia is cucked as fuck, just read about Barnevernet

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>muh food

according to the CIA the average Russian consumed more colaries than the average American

>https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp84b00274r000300150009-5

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french-national-socialist-homo-e-friend of mine told me that niggers there in france dont vote, and he does not believe that they are being imported for the left to win elections

what about burgerland? what percent of your niggers vote?

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Covington parents take legal action

Reposted from /pol/. I know, I know, but I think this is important enough to go crossboard.

STOP FUCKING SCROLLING THIS IS IMPORTANT

I've made a separate thread for this for many reasons. Firstly, the other Covington thread(s) became a useless pile of shit. Secondly, this is big enough to merit its own thread. And lastly, it's better for this to have its own thread for the purposes of networking, brainstorming, and so on. Anyways, the TL;DR of it is that the libel and slander from (((the usual suspects))) has become so violent and undeniable in its scope that the parents of the targeted Covington students are pursuing legal action spearheaded by attorney Robert Barnes. This is already a potentially positive development but I believe it's possible to ride the momentum and deal a telling blow to the slimy vermin that so far has rained death threats and abuse with absolute impunity.

What can be done, you ask? Simple. First of all, Barnes and co. are collecting evidence of leftists making libelous acusations against the Covington boys, doxing them, plotting to ruing their lives, and so on. Most pressing of all are the death threats and conspiring to hunt down and physically harm the students up to and including murder. These are actionable threats and are grounds for serious legal punishment. That's the first task, collect evidence and send it to Barnes' office. Compile tweets, articles, video clips et cetera, ARCHIVE IN CASE THEY DELETE and send it to him. Make sure it hasn't been reported already.

The other important thing here is that the parents are pursuing a civil suit against the media kikes and the leftist vermin that has formed a lynch mob targeting their children. This is a mistake because even if the suit is successful the fuckers will barely feel it. Both Barned and the litigating parents must be convinced that no amount of apologies will be enough, no financial settlement will be enough, not even getting these scumfucks fired from their jobs will be enough. No. These """people""" openly and gleefully manipulated the truth and did everything in their power to put their children in mortal danger, threaten the school with terrorist attacks and vandalism and generally make their lives a living hell for the crime of being white. Nothing less than prison time will be enough punishment for these pieces of shit. This point has to be hammered into their heads until they internalize it and pursue a criminal lawsuit and explicitly call for prison time for the vermin that gloated about brutally murdering their children. I can't emphasize this point enough. Fuckers went after minors, after children. They need to suffer real, physical consequences for their actions.

Lastly, and perhaps easier/harder of all, is the matter of awareness. This shit has to be spread far and wide. It has to be everywhere. This is a unique opportunity to get the normalfags on board. It has to be pounded into their heads that the soulless vermin populating the media and the Left want to torture and kill them, their families and their children for the flimsiest of reasons. They are a psychopathic mob that has to be stopped. Nobody wants to see their own kids targeted by a lynch mob for petty bullshit. Make sure to pound on that fact. With the right language, even the normalfags can be mobilized to support our cause. The Left has crossed a dangerous line, and they can't (and won't) disavow this behavior. They're backed against the wall and have nowhere to run.

PLEASE REMEMBER: We're dealing with people who are in the very early stages of being redpilled. Watch your language. Be very delicate with what you say. This is too big to fuck it up. Don't be an edgelord, don't be a nigger, be polite and respectful and back up what you say. There's only one bullet in this gun. The normalfags are primed and ready, but handling this carefully is paramount. Again, make sure to emphasize that these "people" gleefully conspired to have children ruined and murdered and their school targeted by terrorist attacks. Emphasize that they have suffered no consequences and have exhibited zero remorse, even when caught. Instill in them the need to see the fuckers that threatened their kids hit wit tangible punishments for their reprehensible actions. Don't get too vicious about it, but don't mince words.

Robert Barnes contact information:

Phone: 213.330.3341

E-mail: robertbarnes@barneslawllp.com

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law

GET FUCKING CRACKIN' PEOPLE, AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS MAY NOT COME AGAIN FOR A LONG TIME

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Redpill me on enterprising

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Where are the limits of property?

Come on you lazy niggers, let's solve this question once and for all.

Is only what you produce your property?

What about the air/bodies of water?

Can land be property?

What is the minimum amount of labour required to homestead a plot of land? Does homesteading give you the right to dictate the use of said land in perpetuity?

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>mfw when serfs start muttering about property rights

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commies rise up

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Being sexual with children doesn't violate the NAP

>molest/being sexual with a kid leads to them becoming gay as adults

>many famous gays like Milo Yinniggerdickobsessedupolous and George Takei speak positively about their abuser and say that it benefited them

>same principle with straight adult-child sexual relationships

>they just don't turn gay, they turn into something we don't really have a name yet for

So according to Libertarians that say "Dude like when you totally destroy your life with drugs or want to commit suicide, I will lock you in my barn for a day to straighten you out, give you a hot meal and have a man-to-man conversation with you about the meaning of life and offer you to work on my farm, then you'll turn out alright, dude." abusing children is okay, because you get their later consent for this.

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Rational Thinkers

Are there any more examples of rational thinkers who have resorted to irrational arguments when applied to economics and liberty in general?

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The 8chan Cup 4

GREETINGS /liberty/

The 4th edition of the 8chan Cup is fast approaching. First kickoff is set for January 4th, 2019 at 08:00PM UTC and your board is a part of it. The Cup will be a 32 team tournament, first with a group stage followed by the 16 team Knockout Round, all to determine a champion board of the site. The 3rd editon of the Cup saw the debut of 15 different boards, all of which are returning to shoot for glory once again, amongst revived boards and a few new ones as well. The Cup is being defended by >>>/christian/, who grinded out a 1-0 victory in the Finals over newcomers >>>/ita/. Eternal powerhouse >>>/bane/ managed to claim 3rd place over >>>/strek/ by stopping the Trekkies potent offense and pouring on four goals of their own. For a full breakdown of the 2018 Summer Cup, please take a look at the wiki http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/wiki/The_8chan_Cup

In 2019, your board has been drawn into Group F, with /gts/, /v/, and /co/. Please use this thread for pre-tournament hype and also any MINOR tweaks that may need to be made.

For the full wiki: http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/

For the stream: https://cytu.be/r/8cup

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/leftypol/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a card carrying member of the party!

/liberty/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a successful bussiness owner!

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when will the bubble burst? should i buy btc atm?

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any other schizotypals here?

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meanwhile in european (((universities)))

>Whiteness. Race and the shifting codes of social privilege

>The aim of the course is to examine the concept of whiteness and its functioning in different historical, social and cultural contexts. During our classes we will analyse ways in which whiteness is constructed within changing systems of status hierarchy and pose a question about its relationship to a category of race. We will draw on theoretical approaches adopted in „whiteness studies”, discuss the origins and development of this research field and relate it to wider studies on ethnicity, race and racism. Referring to the works of sociologists, historians and anthropologists we will show how whiteness has organized and defined different forms of social privileged that is still perpetuated by the cultural patterns of valorisation operating in Western and non-Western societies. In this context we will also discuss whiteness in connection with issues such as culturally conditioned perception of the body and ideals of beauty, whiteness and class, whiteness and gender, whiteness and colorism. During the course we will not only focus on scholarly works but will also consider representations and problematizations of whiteness that can be found in literature, visual arts, film or advertising.

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>is antifa antinationalist

>simultaneously support black nationalism and/or gypsy nationalism and/or "palestinian" nationalism

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what does liberty think about molymeme?

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who is your favourite biologist?

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how can i falsify labour theory of value? is it doable? what about theories of ASE?

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does intention of breaking NAP make action illegal? or does result of breaking NAP make something illegal? you know, similar suffering patterns in neuroactivity are seen both in real suffering (harm done to tissue) and mental suffering (hate-speach). if we cannot use self-report or brain imaging to determine whether NAP was broken- what criteria to use? inb4 market will decide and judges will decide- then market decided that taxation don't break nap

moreover hate-speech can give people mental disease

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>balcerowicz

was his transformation as good as kelthuzzar says?

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"you" in english is both plural and singular

"ty" in polish is "you" singular

"wy" in polish is "you" plural

in the past when poland was soviet, people were expected and forced to refer to other individuals by "you plural"-"wy"

so taking this and only this into account we can infer that polish culture is more individualistic than anglo culture

r8

german and spanish are also more individualistic than anglo

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shitpost

i must secure the existence of my family and a future for my children

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How are open borders and companies who import cheap foreign labor dealt with? How do you prevent everyone from just flooding into ancapistan?

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Demographic transition and childfree(not movement)

I've been looking into the topic of demographic transition and i've come to a confusing conclusion. Demographic transition shifts the reproduction process from (almost) uncontrolled one that allows an addition in working power and long-time security to a norm of having few children that are vigorously taken care of, with high amount of resources put into their future and development so they can be successful in their lives. Does that mean that with greater quality of life and longer life expectancy there's even less incentive to have children and that having them can negatively impact not just theirs but your own success? That way with further technological progress there's one logical conclusion to civilization development - achievement of immortality and rejection of breeding as a survival mechanism. But how will it be resolved until then? We already have a society in which it's easier to be productive and achieve success without burdening yourself with children, and it seems that this correlation will become even stronger. How will it be resolved so that society doesn't destroy itself before it removes this shameless dependency? Will it devolve into a previous stage every time or will transition slow down until technological progress allows it?

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Post /liberty/ themed music

I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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The MSM

Why is the MSM so bad at their job?

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is the libertarian to alt right/fascist piepline real? it looks like it's happening with Stefan right now

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What does /liberty/ think of MMT

>Modern Monetary Theory (MMT or Modern Money Theory) is a macroeconomic theory that sovereign governments have an unlimited financial ability to pay for the things they wish to purchase and to fulfill promised future payments. MMT claims that these governments also have an unlimited ability to provide funds to other sectors, and that because of this, it is not possible for a government that issues its own currency to be bankrupt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

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HAHAHAHAHA

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Ancapistan will be in good hands

Hats off to Procter and Gamble for taking the risk and addressing social issues. This is a prime example of the superiority of corporations and the free market in handling issues over the government. Statists like to think ancapistan won't have charity, that lack of hate speech suppression will lead to discrimination, and that things will devolve into fuedalism where the lower income groups have no say. But here we have a prime example of the free market solving a problem. While Trump's big government is stalling public services and increasing racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia, here a corporation motivated only by profit, has brought a controversial topic to the forefront, and shot down it's ugly detractors without any government intervention.

With one swift ad campaign, they've revealed and exposed the shocking amount of the populace that supports sexual harassment, all the while doing a good job imbuing strong motivation for the progressive heroes of society. The incels who don't like it can live without household staples like Tide pods and shampoo, instead taking lower quality bootlegs. This is great, misogynists are getting punished by being denied goods and services, forced to support the foreign countries they loathe by being denied American made products.

I used to have doubts about ancapistan because of the number of bigots that would crowd it, but I understand now that the market will always have a solution, and social justice will not only thrive in ancapistan, but will stamp out the scum that holds us back. I can't wait for the pearl clutching manbabies to end up biting the bullet and going back to Gillete razors after this thing blows over in a month or two, haplessly funding P and G's next egalitarian masterpiece.

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NAP is about denying responsibility

>When someone gets assaulted and you witness it without doing anything, you are partly responsible

>When someone is starving and you don't give him food, you are partly responsible of his death.

>When someone is homeless and you own empty apartments for rent, you are partly responsible of his condition.

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Sweden: Lessons for America

history about the Liberal history of Sweden and dispelling the Berniebro memes about the country

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How can you be libertarian after this?

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the alt-retard threat

How do we un-brainwash nu-/pol/faggots?

/liberty/ is pretty much the continuation of the real 4chan /pol/ before it got nuked and cucked by m00t.

/pol/ here on 8ch AKA nu/pol/ is a cancerous cesspit of literal LARPing neo-nazis and actual white supremacists (strange how these words have lost their meaning because commies blame everyone on being a nazi). How do we combat the incessant stormfaggotry? /pol/ leak and hijack other boards, /v/ is already full of stormfaggots and the mods actively ban conservative posters.

When we take back our country, leftist commie marxists will be thrown out of helicopters, but what do we do with the equally retarded morons on the alt-right?

Educate or Execute?

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Libertarian media

Let's talk about fun Libertarian media, movies, video games, anime, music, anything that comes to mind. That goes for media that are actually libertarian in nature as well as those who simply have the themes of freedom in them.

>C: The money of soul and possibility control

An autistic battle-shounen themed around economics and taking the Austrian side of the debate.

>Outlaw Star

Not really Libertarian in the traditional sense of the word but has themes of freedom in it. The main characters are basically a bunch of adventurers that do not consider themselves to be under the jurisdiction of any law and follow the ideology of "Outlaws". They are not criminals mind you, just people who do not believe in the state having power over them.

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Who would win in a larpoff?

Matt Heimbach or Jason Unruhe? /pol/ or /leftypol/

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Rate my interaction with a confirmed lefty schizo heh

http://boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/3761383/what-role-does-your-politics-play-in-your-art

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what prevents collusion between oligopolies in a free market? or how are oligopolies prevented in a free market?

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white ancaps

>hurr instelleksuall proberdy isun't reel proberdy

also white ancaps

>c-china i-isn't completely btfoing us technologically without a proper free market, th-they're just s-stealing our technology

>reeeeeee the chinese don't care about our copyrights or patents before improving our products

I swear, every crossboarder thread, even the ironic shitposting threads, all completely destroy and refute this board's nonsense ideology.

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The futility of discourse

While you nerds were fucking around jerking yourselves off to pointless political philosophy, and wasting hours arguing over dumb thought experiments that will literally never materialize nor contribute to any tangible achievement, this prime cripple waifu was snagged up by some normie, to have her pure God loving tradcon pussy creamed on her wedding night, her delicate, untouched hymen torn as she spasms into her first orgasm, blabbering unintelligible notes as her jaws and larynx lose all motor control.

You can browse through her channel, watch every single moment of her life since she was a little girl, relive her entire experience growing up, her every memorable activity and experience, imagine yourself sniffing her armpits, maybe even jerking off with her hair, but you will never console the fact that you wasted your life pretending you know shit about Austrian Economics or The Labor Theory of Value, while she got fucked and ejaculated in by another man in every single orifice. You can hang on to her channel in disbelief, refusing to accept reality, but in time, all you'll see are videos of her first and then second born, stilling markers that she's not only been fucked, she's not only been creamed and inseminated, but that her pussy has been completely and utterly ploughed into messy folded paste, over and over and over again, only to be ripped asunder months later by a struggling gasping infant clambering into this world, sans your DNA, but half of his DNA. His genes that were passed on while yours rotted in your testicles, desperate for the release that would make your parents proud and fulfill their biological purpose. A release that hasn't come, a release that will probably never come.

Do you see now the pointlessness of it all, reminder after reminder after reminder that you are destined to fail? For us ancap psuedointellectuals, it never even began.

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Liberty & Environmentalism

After watching this Varg's video, I agree him on the ship & air shipping, we should buy stuff that are made domestic in order to limit sea & air shipping to reduce pollution.

In fact, "free trade" that utilizes sea containers & air ship should be banned, just for the environment sake.

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Yellow Jackets

Is France going to have a revolution?

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.assdf

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/liberty/ btfo

why do you follow an ideology made by Jews for their own benefit

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The Industrial Revolution, a mistake?

Was he right?

>industrial revolution happens

>millions of people lose their jobs

>communism enslaves half the world

>people work soulless 9-to-5 jobs in factories

>people lose their touch with reality and nature

>spiritually degraded and physically weak society

>SUDDENLY DIGITAL REVOLUTION

>people yet again face possibility of losing their jobs due to automation

What do we do when robots inevitably take over our McJobs which will make so many more people misplaced it will make the industrial revolution look like a joke.

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Were Jews Responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution?

Toughts on this?, as background for this guy, he has a loot of content about WW2 but its not limited to military history, he speaks a loot about economic policies and political history (also has other videos about miscellaneous history topics). also he has jewish blood (not jewish tough).

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MSM

Is MSM still around because it is being heavily subsidized by the U.S. govt?

What would it take to make some of them go bankrupt?

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How do ancaps deal with economic globalization or free trade taking jobs away? or do you not deal with it?

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Deflation

Can we win against apoplithorismosphobia? Will we ever win the intellectual battle against monetary inflation? Will there ever be a country that will return to the gold standard?

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Know Your Meme User ImperatorZor Completely Debunks and Shits All Over Ancaps

The Anarcho-Capitalist expresses his opinion that Taxation is theft on the internet. The internet goes back to a DARPA project paid for with taxpayer money.

The Anarcho-Capitalist expresses his opinion that Taxation is theft using a computer. Computers go back to ENIAC, the first electronic general purpose computer made in 1945. Further R&D programs pushed along computer technology. All of which paid for with taxpayer money.

The Anarcho-Capitalist expresses his opinion that Taxation is theft using written language. Written language was contrived by Mesopotamian bureaucrats some 5,500 years ago to keep track of tax income and said income paid to workers and artisans on various projects. Among them the maintenance and expansion of the irrigation systems which made the Mesopotamian city states possible.

LITERAL FACEBOOK MEMESTERS BTFO THE ENTIRE ANCAP PHILOSOPHY

HOW WILL ANCRAPS EVER RECOVER?

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Reply to Archive Threads - General Autism Thread

>Because the smaller ones have been either absorbed or out-competed

If so, we would have no small firms.

>There are many businesses in the U.S. that don't even have employees, which skews the numbers.

Non-sequitur as it has nothing to do with my argument. The fact that most businesses are small that even the self-employed can compete with large firms. These small firms employ almost half the private US workforce.

>In addition, companies often have an incentive to shift towards using independent contractors making themselves appear smaller than they actually are

There is a stronger incentive to hire full-time employees, as agencies and interviews can be costly. Otherwise the majority of the workforce would not be full-time. This is a moot point anyway since flexibility of contract work itself means they do not rely on any one firm regardless of size.

>Why would anyone take the risk of doing that especially if you're a small business owner near retirement age who has probably been working in the same industry for years with (likely) little expertise to invest in something new?

Your do not need expertise. A broad market index like the S&P returns 10% and lhas lower risk than operating a business. If they want to go virtually risk-free, there is the bond market.

>Maybe because the owner of capital can choose or not choose to employ his capital without starving while wage earners and the self-employed must work to eat?

An owner of capital is not a monopsony. Owners cannot choose to utilize capital freely without incurring risk and are limited by what the labor market can supply. Capitalists have to work to eat too.

>I'd need to see a source on those statistics.

https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab14.xlsx

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-stock-market-ownership-2013-3

>Taking numbers out of context means nothing

How is it taken out of context? If there is an increase in wage dependency, there should be a decrease in other areas of revenue sources such as housing and stocks.

>What you're saying hasn't been true in the U.S. for decades.

Proof? Are you including total compensation including benefits?

>You're making the assumption that decreased consumption is a result of change in spending habits or increased savings, which is not necessarily the case nor is it the driving factor in the U.S. today.

There is no assumption. All else equal, less expenditure = more savings. The only factor contrary to this trend would be a decrease of real income.

>Could be lack of job opportunities, rising cost of entry into the labor market, or debt.

And how are these all causes of capitalism? All three have state influence.

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I've seen many people bashing the horseshoe theory but never seen a reason why.

It makes sense, from the government perspective and the economic perspective.

Is it just commies and nazis that get triggered because it exposes them for the authoritarian statists that they are?

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how do we create galt's gulch in real life by attracting the rich people out of all other countries and collapsing them?

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PIVX NOW ON IOS

https://meguca.org/nya/5385520?last=100#p5478159

Most important development for /liberty/ is a long time nya~

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Debt Ceiling

With how the non-debates are going over the Wall with Trump and the new Congress, and each side blaming the other for the gridlock, isn't the same going to happen in a few months over the debt ceiling debate? What stops the debt ceiling debate turning into, "The Dems aren't providing a solution"/"Trump isn't playing ball and being a bully again?"

Isn't there a really high likelihood that the gridlock will cause the U.S. government to fall into default? What will happen if the U.S. defaults?

Pic related: they're my true feelings.

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>poles

>loving freedom

top jej

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We should become socialists

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the liberty of those who don't want it?

In the end a decently informed libertarian knows more about socialism than socialists themselves, but unlike socialists he also knows about capitalism too. This means that you, as a libertarian, can easily become a big defender and promoter of socialism.

Then with all those books/speaking/tv royalties/politics money, you can buy whatever you want, maybe even some land somewhere where you can build a libertarian utopia, if you still believe in it. But why buying land? You could just use your influence in the State to wage war and conquer lands for yourself. Or buy some cocaine and some prostitutes, who cares? Just enjoy the fruit of those cucks who want you to rule over them.

Honestly, it's a complete waste of time trying to let people know about the advantages and the morality of liberty. These people refuse liberty for themselves and others. Marx and associates gave us an exceptional tool to pilot the masses to work for our personal interests. Voluntary slavery. Think about it: if you were to cause suffering among the people with your socialist policies, it would be their choice. You would basically make socialist suffer while you run all the way to the (swiss) bank with their money. It's them who decided to vote for you, after you promised to put their neighboors down in order to make them all equal. They wanted evil, you just capitalized on it.

Of course there will be some innocent victims, but who really cares? It's nothing compared to the enormous amount of statists that will suffer. You will make them poor slowly, day after day. A taste of their own medicine.

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna join the local social-democratic party today.

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do you have any ancap waifu?

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Confiscation and the Homestead Principle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2Om67YYWw

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NEETSOCS ARE OBSESSED WITH BBC:

http://archive.li/vWfDc

http://archive.li/IsbLw

Let's have a thread dedicated to our friends from /pol/. Let's put their shame on full display. Let's remind everyone that the angsty fascist who calls you a kike on the internet is actually a pathetic cuck who faps to his girls getting fucked by niggers.

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it's been 3 weeks and the government's still shut down

please reopen it

t. chuck and nancy

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Libertatia

Did it really exist? Were they proto-/ourguys/?

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/did-the-utopian-pirate-nation-of-libertatia-ever-really-exist

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Libertarians live in imaginary ivory towers

If tomorrow were held an election where the communist party would face a party in favor of the free market and private property but not perfectly libertarian, most of libertarians would stay home in order to remain "pure".

Libertarians are a bunch of cucks. They can't do any significant political action, they don't have the courage to support initiatives that can further freedom in the non-free world we live in. They would rather face communism than making a choice with some consequences for once in their life.

That's why I find libertarians disgusting. At least commies move their ass even if it means supporting iniatives that aren't perfectly communistic. Instead libertarians will sperg at anyone that proposes something that can have a positive impact on our societies now.

You are shit.

Fuck you.

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Defeating the state by its overinflation

How about we for example support the lefties in the "give everyone money"-welfare in order to collapse the state's monetary system. It's obviously way more realistic than big Ls who actually think they can do shit except stripping. Also, we don't really want a smaller state. A smaller state is a healthier state, and is thus more viable through time than a large one. For the state to disappear, I think its system should become so authoritarian that the whole population of Normandie would stop following it due to its ridiculous expections.

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Ancaps are literally the goblins

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I'm so sick of taxes and niggers.

Our ancestors revolved and kicked ass because of some pissant tea tax. Now look at us and the yawning abyss we used to call our asshole.

I'm so fucking goddamn sick of niggers and taxes.

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who was in wrong here?

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This is what happens when there are no laws protecting rights. Wholesale slaughter and abuse for the bottom line. The modicum of "humane" practice even bothered is entirely due to government regulations and would be absent in the ancap free market. Now imagine a scenario where no laws protect humans. This is what will happen to workers in an ancap society, free of the protection of the state. This is the future of you misled idiots, you are not going to be the elite. The state is absolutely critical for civilization, every case where ancap ideals are simulated ends in disaster.

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Recession Predictions

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-03/2-3-and-5-year-treasury-yields-all-drop-below-effective-fed-funds-rate

How the flying fuck do bond rates go below the FED funds rate? In what universe does that make sense?

How bad is this recession going to be this time, /liberty/?

Also, what should I do to prepare?

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Public Housing

How does Vienna manage to have a decent public housing program? Apparently, the city also ranks #1 in Mercer's Quality of Life.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vienna-affordable-housing-paradise_us_5b4e0b12e4b0b15aba88c7b0

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Mirror from /v/:

http://archive.vn/VufZa

>The IGDA (International Game Developers Association) on December 31, 2018, pushed new details regarding CVAA (21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act 2010). The high level CVAA will require any communications functionality and any UI used to be compliant and suitable for those with a wide range of conditions.

>Failure to comply will allow complaints to be made to the FCC and possible fines.

>Starting from January 1, 2019, games launched in the US must ensure they are accessible to people with disabilities. Here is some more information taken from the IGDA website regarding how games are affected based on their development progress.

>“The criteria must be considered from early in development, and people with disabilities must be involved in some capacity in the design or testing process.”

>Should the game not meet the standards and fail to comply, it will lead to customer complaints being issued to the FCC. From there the FCC will mediate and look into efforts made to fix the issues, and how feasible it would be to fix. The customer can also choose to extend the period of time the FCC allows for the fixes to be implemented, however, if the customer chooses not to extend the period of mediation, substantial fines may be issued.

>(b) Accessible – The term accessible shall mean that:

>(i) Operable without vision. Provide at least one mode that does not require user vision.

>(ii) Operable with low vision and limited or no hearing. Provide at least one mode that permits operation by users with visual acuity between 20/70 and 20/200, without relying on audio output.

>(iii) Operable with little or no color perception. Provide at least one mode that does not require user color perception.

>(iv) Operable without hearing. Provide at least one mode that does not require user auditory perception.

>(v) Operable with limited manual dexterity. Provide at least one mode that does not require user fine motor control or simultaneous actions.

>(vi) Operable with limited reach and strength. Provide at least one mode that is operable with user limited reach and strength.

>(vii) Operable with a Prosthetic Device. Controls shall be operable without requiring body contact or close body proximity.

>(viii) Operable without time dependent controls. Provide at least one mode that does not require a response time or allows response time to be by passed or adjusted by the user over a wide range.

>(ix) Operable without speech. Provide at least one mode that does not require user speech.

>(x) Operable with limited cognitive skills. Provide at least one mode that minimizes the cognitive, memory, language, and learning skills required of the user.

Another fine example of government protecting the most vulnerable among us; that is, AAA companies with enough resources to implement compliance, pay fines for not complying, or pay for approval.

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Is there a cryptocurrency with a value based on some timeless desire of humanity like its lust for gold?

pic unrelated.

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You Can’t Make an Alternative to Patreon Because Banks Won’t Allow It - Andrew Anglin & Weev

>dailystormer.name/you-cant-make-an-alternative-to-patreon-because-banks-wont-allow-it/

>There is no way to create an alternative funding platform, because everything is a private company. I think that probably Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson can create something that they will be allowed to operate – probably without PayPal, but with some bank doing credit card processing. And Sargon of Akkad will be allowed on that. For now, that will be allowed. Because I think that some people realize that this whole “shut it down” program is going way, way too fast. Eventually, it won’t just be PayPal that is shutting people down, it will be all banks and Visa itself. Because banks and Visa have the ability, technically, to deny people service based on their political ideology.

Couldn't there be a Patreon alternative that solely uses cryptocurrencies instead of credit cards?

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Have a Murray Christmas, /liberty/!

And a Hoppe New Year

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Actual Libertarian Happenings

The U.S. has left Syria.

http://archive.is/NBn2v

The U.S. has left Afghanistan.

http://archive.is/whzzC

The U.S. has left Yemen.

http://archive.is/LbyNG

The U.S. has legalized industrial hemp.

http://archive.is/bRydJ

Finally, some things to fucking celebrate. If they stay that way, hopefully.

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the future of troll face

looks like the internets favorite grinning avatar is coming of age.

but where do we go from here?

by the way, the model can be found here.

https://archive.org/details/youtube-SPMFhcC4SvQ

https://archive.org/download/youtube-SPMFhcC4SvQ

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Liberty BTFO

<JC Denton: Despite all I’ve read about the Triads, I wasn’t prepared to see them operating in the open, on the streets, and wearing uniforms. Doesn’t the Chinese government care?

>Isaac: The Chinese leave Hong Kong alone. They barricade the roads to control trade to the mainland, but they know how business is done."

<JC Denton: I would think the secret smuggling operations of the Triads would disturb the Chinese government.

>Isaac: Maybe the Luminous Path, but China knows that the Red Arrow are business owners, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and that they protect the city from outside influences.

<JC Denton: You said 'outside influences.' What does China fear?

>Isaac: China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing - unlike U.N.-governed countries - to give its people the freedom to do what they want.

<JC Denton: As long as they don’t break the law.

>Isaac: Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power.

<JC Denton: Our governments have limited power by design.

>Isaac: Rhetoric–and you believe it! Don’t you know where those slogans come from?

<JC Denton: I give up.

>Isaac: Well-paid researchers - how do you say it? - 'think tanks,' funded by big businesses. What is that? A 'think tank'?

<JC Denton: Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier.

>Isaac: It’s privately-funded propaganda. The Trilateral Commission in the United States for instance.

<JC Denton: The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength.

>Isaac: A system organized around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce these same qualities in its leaders.

<JC Denton: Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.

>Isaac: The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization.

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FUCK JANNIES

*tink tink tink tink*

*ahem*

MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!

FUCK JANNIES

FUCK NIGGERS

FUCK TRANNIES

AND ==FUCK JEWS==

BOARD RULE NO 1 NIGGERS!!!

Thank you, that will be all

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Payment Network Cartels

Worldwide Halawa Network when?

No, but seriously, what the hell is the solution here /liberty/?

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Anarcho Capitalism Through Agorism

Since agorism believes in peaceful revolution via black markets, why don't we all just create more dCommerce businesses (ecommerce but with cryptos) so that we can influence other to to the same by coming up with more free market solutions thus kickstarting competition? That way, since every dCommerce business is using cryptos, the governments won't be able to tax us or regulate us so that means that they're going to collapse since they have no power.

This is why politicians are scared of crypto. This is literally how ancapistan will start. All we have to do is get people to start cultivation businesses with crypto. Let's leave the U.S Dollar behind in exchange for something of greater value.

Useful links:

https://www.agorism.info

https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/right-ignore-state

https://www.thecryptocompany.com

https://www.coindesk.com/why-regulating-bitcoin-will-not-work

If you want to find a niche to start your business on, then now's the time.

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Ancap is not anarchism nor capitalism. It's literally communism, you just trade goverment for corporations.

ancap is just communism with better memes, just like ancaps are commies with more melanin.

prove me wrong. As in actual proof, no maymays or adhominen or other gay shit

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Why can't leftards ever agree on what counts as Socialist?

Social Dems call themselves socialist, tankies call themselves socialist, anarchists call themselves socialist, and /pol/acks call themselves socialist. It's kind of a big flaw in that ideology in that no one can decide who or what counts as that ideology

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A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism

Hey /liberty/, I'm having trouble figuring out a concept in Hoppe's book.

>Now assume that aggressively founded ownership is introduced.

Whereas before every person was the exclusive owner of his body

and could decide on his own whether to become a drunk or a philosopher, now a system is established in which a person’s right to

determine how to use his body is curtailed or completely eliminated, and instead, this right is partly or fully delegated to another

person who is not naturally linked to the respective body as its producer. What would be the consequence of this? The abolition of

private ownership of one’s body can be far-reaching: the nonproducers can have the right to determine all of the uses of “my” body

all of the time, or their right to do so can be restricted with respect

to time and/or domains, and these restrictions again can be flexible

(with the nonproducers having the right to change the restrictive

definitions according to their own taste) or fixed once and for all,

and so the effects can, of course, be more or less drastic! But whatever the degree, socialization of ownership always, and necessarily

so, produces two types of effects. The first effect, “economic” in the

narrower sense of the term, is a reduction in the amount of investment in human capital as defined above. The natural owner of a

body cannot help but make decisions regarding that body as long

as he does not commit suicide and decides to stay alive, however

restricted his ownership rights might be. But since he can no longer decide on his own, undisturbed by others, to what uses to put

his body, the value attached to it by him is now lower; the wanted

satisfaction, the psychic income, that is to say, which he can derive

from his body by putting it to certain uses is reduced because the

range of options available to him has been limited. But then, with

every action necessarily implying costs (as explained above), and

with a given inclination to overcome costs in exchange for expected

rewards or profits, the natural owner is faced with a situation in

which the costs of action must be reduced in order to bring them

back in line with the reduced expected income. In the Garden of

On a critical assessment of the term “human capital,” in particular of the absurd

treatment that this concept has had at the hands of some Chicago-economists (notably G. Becker, Human Capital, New York, 1975), cf. A. Rubner, The Three Sacred

Cows of Economics, New York, 1970.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe 27

Eden, there is only one way left to do this: by shortening the waiting time, reducing the disutility of waiting, and choosing a course

of action that promises earlier returns. Thus, the introduction of

aggressively founded ownership leads to a tendency to reduce

investment decisions and favors consumption decisions. Put drastically, it leads to a tendency to turn philosophers into drunks.

Now I can see how the net satisfaction that one can derive from one's body would be reduced if he does not have exclusive ownership of it, but I don't see how it would make him favour consumption decisions over investment decisions. Because let's say that someone else can choose what ends he can put his body towards for 30% of the time, surely the remaining 60% of his time he is free to put his body to the ends that he wants and derive full satisfaction from them? Thoughts?

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Paul Cockbutt's Labor Time Economy

Oh boy, time to take a look at the latest alt-left pseud, Paul Cockshott and his video "Getting Down to the Details"

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk )

>"we'll leave 'the Shops' out for simplicity's sake in our 5-point diagram [but we'll use the 'millions' denomination to sound like we can relate this to a real population lol]"

>at the moment I'm ignoring the flow of goods to schools and hospitals

<Video is called "Getting Down to the Details" but he doesn't hesitate to gloss over things that are inconvenient for him to explain, even in theory

>"the Factories"

<Cockbutt establishes in the comments section that even the production and pricing of specific commodities like sugar beets should be mandated and thoroughly controlled based "on science" so it begs the question of "what factories" will be allowed to exist to begin with, how many factories there will be, how many people they will individually employ, what types of workers will be employed there and what these workers will earn-as well as whether these workers will have chosen to work there or had been appointed. This is the kind of thing you'd expect to be touched upon from a video entitled "Getting Down to the Details".

>Cockbutt says in the comments that: "if you work harder you get paid more"

<allowing a company to subjectively pay individual employees more or less based on individual performance is allowing these workers to acquire disproportionate capital relative their peers and maybe even start selling things at a profit in "labor time credits". This isn't far-removed from status quo "capitalism" where workers are paid a wage based on factors both objective and subjective.

<Will a surgeon earn the same as a teacher or a trashman, what about other "public servants"? Don't expect an answer here. There are 821 different types of "Job" in the United States currently, I'd hate to be the guy that has to apportion out the duties and dues of all of them on an individual basis.

>"income tax is canceled out"

<Cockbutt doesn't attempt to tell us how many people are working in "the Factories" as opposed to "the Hospitals" and "etc." but he does know that "the Factories" will need four of something and "the Hospitals" "etc." will need two of something. Well actually the income tax is just assumed to be discarded and everything that isn't from "a Shop" from the "Hospitals, etc." is thus made free*

>Cockbutt claims in the comments that "China is 40% socialist"

<even though it has lower real public sector employment and taxes than the average OECD country, 4 million new independent businesses being created on a yearly basis and has unaudited livestream girls raking in thousands of petrodollars weekly (as this butthurt, decadent western roast beast can attest: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird-and-disturbing-world-of-chinese-livestreamers )], to put simply, China's current year economy (as opposed to its culture) is wholly conventional and its successes or failures can't be claimed by "socialism".

>Cockbutt claims in the comments that if you're not independently wealthy in a capitalist society you go hungry and starve, but in the U.S. and Britain it has been repeatedly shown that poor and unemployed people are much more likely to be obese than employed and wealthy people which is a complete contradiction.

Would you trust your society to commissar Cockbutt, anon?

* = in exchange for discarding 33% of your non-circulating labor time credits into "a bin"

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How is it that if a company will allow its employees to do whatever they want, the company will fail, but when the state allows people to have more freedom it leads to greater prosperity?

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New Zealand Decriminalizes All (non-synth) Drugs

ANCAPS RISE UP

http://archive.is/39qQB

>New Zealand is experiencing a surge of synthetic drug overdoses—but in response, the government has introduced a series of reform policies that include treating possession and consumption as public health issues while increasing enforcement against synthetic drug suppliers.

>Officials are also weighing the potential “full decriminalisation of drugs.”

>Certain synthetic substances believed to have caused recent overdoses will now be more strictly scheduled under the country’s drug laws, which will expand the search and seizure authority of law enforcement.

>But the government is also amending its Misuse of Drugs Act to specify that police “should not prosecute for possession and personal use where a therapeutic approach would be more beneficial, or there is no public interest in a prosecution.”

>The reform policies represent an immediate response, but government leaders also said that formal decriminalization, as recommended earlier this month by the New Zealand Mental Health and Addiction Inquiry, is still under consideration.

>In the meantime, new funds will be used to enhance addiction treatment centers, especially in regions where there’s a spike in overdoses.

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Whoa guys 8chan is so cool I <3 it so much

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GiveDirectly

Is handing out cash money to citizens in developing countries really a better idea than building infrastructure through humanitarian organizations?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GiveDirectly

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Explain this /liberty/

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What do we do about censorship of Free Speech by Silicon Valley Oligarchs?

I feel we should consider our potential options for combating this issue, such as organizing formal respectable protesting online/offline or aggregating pro-free-speech anti-censorship links that would be useful.

Resources or ideas?

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Unsophisticated Libertarian neophyte and/or neocon ideologue:

>They're just doing the jobs americans won't do and have never done for less money, you have no right to complain goy-er…guy! If you wanted to keep your job you should have sent your family to live in [tenuously communist non-descript South American shithole] and illegally squat in a two bedroom home in texas yourself with 40 of your friends. It's "logistically impossible" for you to accept the wages we're paying our build-a-beans you say? Nonsense, you're just lazy!

Drooling idiot "leftist":

>These poor brown people are traveling thousands of miles and risking their lives to get here for some mysterious reason but they're actually the real victims because they don't make a lot of money by our standards what are currency exchange rates oh god I'm so fucking retarded durr

when will these equally stupid memes die?

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How do you think the gameplay of an ancap strategy game would ideally work?

For the story, I have two things in mind:

>1. You inherit a business empire, and have to get a monopoly on the whole market while trying to out-compete rival business groups and survive the growing power of the state as well as various anti-capitalist factions

>2. You are a multi-millionaire who is sick of liberal totalitarianism and leftism interfering with your life and the lives of your fellow countrymen, so you decide to take your fortune to some unoccupied territory and build a capitalist utopia with other like-minded businessmen while competing with their businesses, and fighting off aggressive states who are unhappy with the amount of freedom that you and your fellow ancaps (or not) enjoy

In ordinary RTSs, you just throw resources at the barracks to shit out soldiers, which go and secure more resources to enable you to shit out even more soldiers, and it's basically a contest between players of who can do this the fastest. No game (not even city-sims) ever takes the market into account, where you have:

>a realistic economy

>citizens having their own lives

>citizens having their own wants and needs

>citizens earning their own money

>citizens spending their own money

>citizens building the villages, towns and cities that you're supposedly trying to protect, and being responsible for all the progress in their part of the game world

>the player being a citizen like everyone else, who can take part in the market and influence it with what power he has (or if playing as the government, having society react appropriately to government laws/actions and looking work solutions and work-arounds to the problems that government creates)

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Libertarian board game

I think we need to alter the gameplay of the existing monopoly board game and make it lining towards to the concept of libertarian like free market, which are much more realistic in the real world of capitalism without government. What kind of additional feature would you prefer to have in the board game? Also, state your new replacement title name of the board game since "monopoly" is not a free market ideal for the game.

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When ancap wins and destroy the goverment, thus throwing the land into anarchy, this is how My city is gonna look like! There will be only fascists in there. I will lead parties to raid libertarian and ancom settlements to take their shit and rape their women.

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Anarchy in ancapism

Assess this statement:

Anarcho-capitalism isn't an abolition of government, it's an abolition of the state. The point is to put the power to government entirely on individuals.

It seems like most casual conservatives consider the spectrum in terms of "more government" (left) and "less government" (right). I noticed when watching this new JBS video that this presents an easy case against all forms of anarchism, since it logically follows that no government -> no structure -> chaos

Rothbard used this same view of the left-right spectrum since he called himself "far right" for advocating an abolition of the state

Start the vid at 9:37

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Are corporations and businesses that work with the Government just as bad as the government

This sub often rants on about how government workers are terrible, but is silent about how private companies can be complicit in the state's activities like Merkel having Zuckerberg going after "hate speech" online or companies like Ratheon, Boeing, or Lockhead Martin profiting from the military state in the US. Heck even Elon Musk is a statist who gets his funding from government subsidies. If government was a prostitute, then these companies would be buyers.

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Capitalism doesn't work.

Pic related. Imagine a construction company having to buy 10 bricks from this guy on the street, and then having to go to another guy on another street to buy 10 more bricks, and then to another guy on yet another street to buy some more, and so on… until they reach an amount of 10 000 bricks. It would take ages before any work is done.

How else would construction happen if the government didn't produce all the bricks and build shit for you? There are many examples like this, but they prove that ancap, markets, businesses, etc… are just a fantasy, and only fascism (but more specifically, national-communism) is the driving force of civilization, at least the commies got this part right.

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What should governments have done after the subprime mortgage crisis? Was there any way to encourage economic growth that would have actually worked, whether or not the banks were bailed out? The ones they did try with QE/low interest rates (caused an asset bubble), austerity (caused public service quality to decline), and stimulus spending (caused an increase in public debt for no discernible gain) failed to prevent economic stagnation for years in advanced economies while China and India significantly narrowed the gap in gross output.

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Other libertarian boards

>democucks, republicucks, "moderates" and other bread and circus cucks of all kinds

Since the Jap has started stirring shit up at 4cuck again, this place has been flooding with cancerous normie scum the likes of which we have never seen before, and it seems like they're here to stay, but since the commie BO has taken an anti-market approach at moderation, and sees no need to improving the quality of his board or to compete in the board market, it is up to us now to find a new home.

So tell us old pal, where do you see yourself posting about capitalism in the next 6 months? Don't have to mention it explicitly, we don't want this plague to follow us there.

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do you travel? show us your photos from your travels

what country/state did you like best and which u hated?

picrel photo i took this vacation

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Did she violate the NAP?

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>fucks up Britain and British economy

GIIIIIIRLLL YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

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>Skin in the Game: Hidden Asymmetries in Daily Life (acronymed: SITG) is a 2018 nonfiction book by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. Taleb's thesis is that skin in the game is necessary for fairness, commercial efficiency, and risk management, as well as being necessary to understand the world.[1] The book is part of Taleb's multi-volume philosophical essay on uncertainty, titled the Incerto, which also includes Fooled by Randomness (2001), The Black Swan (2007–2010), The Bed of Procrustes (2010–2016), and Antifragile (2012). The book is dedicated to "two men of courage": Ron Paul,[2] "a Roman among Greeks"; and Ralph Nader,[3] "Greco-Phoenician saint".[4][5]

>Ron Paul

wow

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Did State welfare kill religion?

Did the growth of welfare programs by the State crowd out the church, and subsequently caused the secularization seen in many places in the West?

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The Incel Question

Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society? Are they products of a nanny-state culture? Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Final question: Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim?

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Q&A

Hi, social democrat here interested in the rational and reasoned debate that you liberals are so famous for.

Anyways, I just want to get a few answers from you guys:

1) I often hear from libertarians and the like that “taxation is theft”. This is repeated often, but it seems to me to be quite a ridiculous assertion. How do you respond to someone who asks you to biblically justify your assertion that taxation is theft when the Lord never decreed it as such? The ancient Israelites, after all, had systems of taxation and not once, to my knowledge, did a prophet ever inveigh against taxation as a moral evil or equivocate it with theft. The only reason tax collectors in the New Testament were designated as sinners was because they were helping an occupying and alien force (the Romans) extort arbitrary amounts from the Jewish people. And it is noted that even then, despite being forced to pay unreasonable amounts coerced via a discriminatory state apparatus imposed by others with no chance at real political representation, that Jesus still instructs the Jews to pay.

2) How do libertarians justify the clear evils present within the existing capitalist framework that the vast majority of the world lives under today? To illustrate this, today my 5 year old phone was on the fritz and I was thinking of getting a new one. Curious, I tried to search for a replacement “fair” phone, i.e. one made respecting the rights of workers, ensuring that they are treated well, sourced with materials not extracted from conflict zones like the Democratic Republic of Congo, environmentally friendly as possible, etc. Unfortunately, I was not able to do so. The farthest I could get was the FairPhone, but a closer examination of just one of the points that I was looking for (worker rights), revealed that despite their rhetoric they were unable to substantially improve working conditions for their Chinese workforce. Even then, the phone makers were charging a premium (I think it was 500 euros). This means that I literally cannot buy a phone without contributing in some way to an active war or abuse of workers or environmental degradation. What is the libertarian response to such market failure?

3) Libertarians and liberal social policy. I don’t know about you guys, but the image I get when I think of “libertarian” is a Republican-voting millennial who is fine with gay marriage and drugs. Let’s ignore the whole issue over gay sex being sinful for the moment and stick solely with drugs. Libertarians support legalization of weed and I think the CATO institute even argued for full legalization of all drugs like what Portugal did. But why? How does allowing people to play out their escapist and addictive fantasies enrich society in any way? How is it moral? I hear a lot of talk about how the Drug War is a failure, but it is only a failure because the government (U.S. in this case) doesn’t want to take the necessary steps to end it successfully. As a counterpoint, I would like to bring in Singapore. Singapore issues the death penalty for those convicted of dealing drugs. It has one of the lowest drug usage rates in the world - According to the 2008 World Drug Report by the United Nations office on drugs and crime, 8.2% of the UK population are cannabis abusers; in Singapore it is 0.005%. For ecstasy, the figures are 1.8% for the UK and 0.003% for Singapore; and for opiates – such as heroin, opium and morphine – 0.9% for the UK and 0.005% for Singapore. A close to drug-free society is possible. Why give up the fight simply because one government doesn’t really care?

Anyways thanks for your time.

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/Liberty/ on the Internet

How do we stop internet censorship of social media companies influencing legislation without surrendering to onerous regulation of state censorship, foreign subversion, or giving in to the vulgarities of the mob?

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hurray new terrorist attack in strasbourg today :D maybe it will wake these cucks up

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why do Ancaps go into straight denial mode

when you mention their heroes were jews, especially those WN ones?

I don't get it. they usually end up dodging the question and spam helicopter nonsense at you. they're ones to talk about something "not being an argument" when all they do is dodge the question like an oven.

are they even real?

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is korwin-mikke right saying that on greenland there were maaany years ago lemons growing in wild?

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Sovereign Citizens

Is the sovereign citizen ideology based, or is it really as stupid as the actual movement?

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Libertarians for mandatory segregation

>I'm a libertarian

>which is why I want to give the govt. the power to discriminate and segregate on the basis of race

>because it's the only way in which we'll stop the blacks from destroying the white race

>because whites are the only libertarians

>and because it totally worked in the US, Hispanic america and South Africa

Why do some """"""libertarians"""""" peddle this bullshit?

If they really believe segregation is natural and blacks are inferior, why don't they advocate for voluntary association and the end of the welfare state?

Shouldn't that be an easier sell than "hey let's kill the niggers"?

Why do these """"""libertarians"""""" believe the government won't abuse this power?

It's almost as if these """"""libertarians"""""" use liberty as an ad-hoc excuse to kill and deport racial minorities…

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Taxation of Thottery

/liberty/, if you have not heard yet, thots that make money through private Snapchat and chaturbate and the like are now being reported to the IRS for avoiding to pay they're taxes.

Most of you may think that this is bad, given the nature of this board but I would say this is great for us and let me explain why:

Since these women are by and largely leftist, they support higher taxes. The only thing (and rather unsuprising I might add,) is that they haven't actually been paying them since they've been making they're money under the table. This should wake them up and hopefully get them stirred up about taxation or at least the IRS in general, and when pretty ladies that make people's pp hard are pissed at something, white knights are almost certain to follow in their footsteps.

It may seem contradictory to rat them out to the IRS but I think that it would be an overall win for libertarianism if we keep on doing this.

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Anatomy of the State

What's wrong with it?

It seems unimpeachable, which would naturally follow that anarcho-capitalism is correct

If you're not an anarcho-capitalist, share your disagreement

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>picrel

thoughts? was he a commie or a libertarian?

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Ex-libertarian here

I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years. I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.

And I wanna tell you why, because I loved beeing a libertarian, it is fun and feels good but I had to evolve.

I realized that a libertarian society can only be established in a homogenous society. A society were everyone has the same personal agenda: Liberty . But this homogenous society can never exist in a pluralist, democratic, mutli-racial and liberal system of thought/politics as it would break away immediately because of the inner tension..

That's why the monarchies old old failed to withstand Bolshevism and that's why libertarian "states" would not withstand them either: they are much too laisez-fairez to build a completely resistant block against Bolshevism. Having a strong state with a strong army or an armed populace is not enough to withstand the red storm, you need a ready and rallied and educated people to withstand the enemy within.

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New Reading Guide

I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.

So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).

Hope this is of help for someone!

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Why do you have to "earn" a living?

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Why do they fantasize over being bent over and oppressed by people who would hate them if they ever had the ability to meet?

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Have boomers ruined opportunities for millenials forever? I wish I could get my own place and be self-sustainable, but I can't with jobs that require no diploma/degrees so I'm forced to go to college but then I'll have massive debts..

What is the future for millenials going to look like?

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What kind of money that loses more than 60 percent of its value in one day LMAO. This is why money should be physical and tangible, not something that is imaginary. Bitcoin cash? More like Bitcoin crash em right?

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Original ancapball content created by you thread. Let's see how dead this board is.

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Natsoc germany economy

People say that Germany became an industrial powerhouse because National Socialism was flawless, yet they dont say what did they actually do to make Germany so productive (natsoc doctrine says productivity = wealth), was it really a success or it only grew so quickly because of a artificial demand made by the goverment on heavy industry?

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How do we surpass the Chinese?

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Adam Smith documentary

Thought you guys might enjoy this

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Was the Yuri pill overrated or does it still hold up?

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The guest question

Does anyone have any sources on the guest question? I.e what the situations are when

I. You have invited someone unto your property without expressed conditions, and you change your mind while they're on your property.

or

II. Conditions of nature have brought someone unto your property without their consent.

Also, are there any works discussing the store-problem without using the "reasonable expectation" argument?

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-rules.html

Could capitalism and open markets really be the only requirement for a successful society? Was political freedom and social policy always just an arbitrary flavour of societal order like morality, equally valid and ineffectual on prosperity as authoritarian statism? I think I'm getting convinced that as long as the economic model is productive, rights like free speech and freedom from taxation have little bearing on the overall well being of the population.

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Communism Infopics

Anyone have more good infopics?

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leftypol poster

To the porkyposter who recently posted on a few leftypol threads:

Sorry you got banned. There are a significant number of leftists that would rather debate and engage opposing ideas rather than ban, but we don't control leftypol. That would be the toxic tranny who has killed our board. We could fix the situation if we had collective control of the board, but we don't.

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You people are so god damn stupid. It's like you actually wan't an anarchist society, hypocritically by liberal mega corps who are actually worse than the "big gobermant" you fear so much. For people who are represented by a flag that LITERALLY SAYS Don't Tread on Me, you would sure love to be trampled by corporations who don't even give a shit about you.

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City Planning/Zoning

Are there cities that have no or at least minimal city planning and zoning? What are they like?

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/LIBERTY/ BTFO!!!

Taiwan Police Apprehend 3-D Printed Gun Pioneer Accused Of Child Sex Abuse

Wilson, 30, was taken to immigration authorities in the capital by officers from Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau, according to local media reports and an official from the bureau who asked not to be named. However, two Taiwanese officials denied Wilson was arrested or in custody. His exact status was unclear.

Because his U.S. passport was later annulled, the agency’s statement said, he “no longer has the legal status to stay in Taiwan.”

Facing accusations of having sex with a minor, it appears that Cody Wilson, the man behind the 3-D Printable firearms company Defense Distributed, is somewhere in Taiwan being pursued by local police.

According to reporting by Chinese-language media outlet United Daily News, Wilson has skipped his flight home to the U.S. and has attempted to rent an apartment in Taiwan. He appears to have initially passed himself off as an American student living in the city but has since been turned away by a prospected landlord who recognized him and called the authorities.

United Daily News reports that area police and Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau are now trying to locate Wilson.

On Wednesday, Police in Austin Texas announced that they had a warrant out for the arrest of the 3D-printed gun pioneer on allegations of sexual assault of an underage girl. Investigators say both Wilson and the young girl met through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com and were spotted at an Austin Hotel.

The department revealed that Wilson’s last known location was Taipei, Taiwan but that authorities were unsure whether the 30-year-old had gone to Taiwan on legitimate business or whether he was expressly trying to flee the United States.

“We can’t confirm any of the [Taiwan] reports just yet; no updates planned for today,” Lisa Cortinas, a spokeswoman for the Austin Police Department, told ArsTechnica on Thursday afternoon.

The Taiwan News has also reported that Wilson is on the ground in Taiwan, having been spotted at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Taipei after arriving in the city on September 6. However, they report that Wilson checked out the next day.

Wilson, who has recently won a legal battle against the State Department, a court decision which has pissed off Attorney Generals across the United States, has relentlessly pursued his principled passion for disseminating 3-D printable gun blueprints to the general public.

After a federal judge in Seattle blocked Defense Distributed from having the gun blueprints available to anyone free of price, Wilson jumped through a loophole, placing them for sale in order to keep them available.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-21/taiwan-police-searching-3-d-printed-gun-pioneer-cody-wilson

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Slavery

Is owning another person the highest form of Freedom?

I don't see anything wrong with owning personal slaves, when the Union freed Blacks a lot of them starved to death. I remember some tumblr user's family owned some slaves justifying it by saying that the country they were in had no possible hope for.

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Any other libertarians here, who are concerned with race?

I think we should remember that just because we support freedom in the form of less oppression from the state, doesn't mean that we somehow support a "judgement free zone".

We need desperately ostracization and societal pressures to conform to moral standards.

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> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.

>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.

>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.

>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.

>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.

>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.

https://www.rt.com/news/441086-german-star-striptease-police-video/

It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

swedes also practice a form of it but it has different roots

Swedish men are more interested in each other than women so swede women have to import heterosexuals to fuck them

Obligitory marriage, rather than being a "tool of patriarchy" or any such nonsense in sweden was actually a way to force their men to reproduce

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Schumpeter

What does /liberty/ think of Schumpeter's thoughts that Capitalism will meet its demise? Before you jump, I am not arguing that it should. Likewise, Schumpeter wasn't arguing that it should either, which I find interesting. He makes an argument of its collapse being inevitable, and the rise of crony crapitalism being inevitable, despite being sympathetic for and in fact agreeing with the effectiveness of capitalism, and not wanting capitalism to meet its demise.

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How do we stop postmodernism and cultural marxism?

The decay of western civilization can all be attributed to these 2 godless ideologies.

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U.S. metrication

How does /liberty/ suggest the U.S. metricate?

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daily reminder that lech wałęsa was a soviet agent

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Libertarian Right General

https://discord.gg/wYybe9t

Old server was killed, long live the new server!

/lrg/ are a gang of badass motherfuckers who are all about privatizing the ocean and calling homosexuals gay. While our community is mostly such right-wing libertarians, we give followers of any ideology a chance to prove themselves. (No communist ever did.) If you want quality discussions about all kinds of political and philosophical topics, join in.

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Does an increase in wages as a result of a lack of workers cause inflation when the workforce participation rate and the purchasing power of the average consumer is so low and illegal immigration is present?

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Does throwing a surprise party for someone violate the NAP?

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https://8ch.net/pol/res/12443767.html

/pol/ here. We're tired of Chodemonkey ruining our board.

We would be honored if you on /liberty/ would lend us a hand.

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New OC thread because the old one is old

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micronations

why cant I have Supremus Ordo Militaris Hospitalis Sancti Ioannis Hierosolymitani Rhodius et Melitensis citizenship as my only citizenship?

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>socks are equally valuable to an amputee because it took labor to make them

How can anyone actually believe this?

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What can I do to save the white race ?

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Falling Rate of Profit

How do capitalists prevent their system from necking it’s self?

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Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a men

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ITT post things world government should offer to gain your support.

>Nuke China thrice

>Build a wall around japan and trade food, electricity and internet over it in exchange for hentai

>Dump all world's trash in India exclusively

>Declare Africa as a universal armed tourism and hunting ground

>Use South America as a platform for extensive weapon testing

>Create a communist country with free immigration to starve them all in there in a few years

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Where were you when they let the mask slip?

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/liberty/ power level

Have this above my bed and a Gun Owners of America sticker on my truck

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why do poor people have freedom

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Election Fraud

/liberty/ seems like slightly more of a neutral party than /pol/. What the hell is going on? I've been hearing that Republicans committed voter fraud in Arizona, I've been hearing that Democrats committed voter fraud in Broward County, Florida. Then I think there was some more in Michigan, but I don't know by which party? And maybe Texas too, but I don't know by which party either? What's going on, who's doing what?

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ANCAPS BTFO

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U.S. "freedom"

I don't really see the U.S. climbing up any freedom rankings any time in the next few decades. How much longer do you think the U.S. has until it becomes Venezuela? Any burgerfaggots have any backup plans? Pic unrelated.

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In your ideal nation, who would have voting privileges?

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Technological advancement and collectivism

So I read "Industrial society and its future" and it made me wonder does technological advancement necessarily lead to collectivism? Or is it rather the mob democracy with suffrage to all? As both events occurred at the same time….

Sure, I noticed uncle Ted have some issues with some of his claims which I will mention down here (with my rebuttal), however I think the overall sentiment it still relevant.

>Even most people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society.

The invisible hand

>We suggest that modern man’s obsession with longevity, and with maintaining physical vigor and sexual attractiveness to an advanced age, is a symptom of unfulfillment resulting from deprivation with respect to the power process. The “mid-life crisis” also is such a symptom. So is the lack of interest in having children that is fairly common in modern society but almost unheard-of in primitive societies.

It may have more to do with the fact primitive societies didn't have the privilege of subsidized government pension

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Fascist AMA

I am a Falangist (Spanish Fascism) I had some interests in the libertarian side of the spectrum, namely the right side.

AMA but please try and keep it respectful. I will answer any serious questions you ask

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Opinions of this man and his works?

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How old are ancaps? I want to know the their exact age, of all 20 of them.

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alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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Why aren't we tackling the real issues here? Political ideologies don't exist in a vacuum, they're based on preconceived notions or underlying foundations which form a person's worldview.

Commies/Leftists are atheists. They believe apes crawled out of a soup after nothing exploded 9 gorillion years ago. They believe man has no inherent values or qualities, which is why they're fine with killing babies in the womb. They're fine with feminism because they believe there are no objective family roles. They believe there's nothing wrong with a man inserting his weewee in another man's butt. In fact, they don't believe in objective or absolute truth at all. Good and evil are just subjective, morality is just a "spook". they believe in moral relativism which is why they're fine with importing millions of immigrants with radically different and hostile cultures.

If you want to un-brainwash lefties, stop talking about political subjects because it's pointless when you both don't understand eachother's underlying worldviews. Attack the root of the issue: their atheism and belief in "millions of years". Debates should be had in the realm of science, philosophy and theology before you can effectively adopt a political stance best suited for mankind. The same goes for you ancaps and libertarians by the way, explain WHY you believe in these things. Theists take God-given inalienable rights for granted, but atheists don't believe in these 'negative rights' because in their worldview there is no purpose to life and good/evil are just subjective and relative.

Political wankery without addressing the scientific or philosophical foundations they're based on is a fruitless effort. It's like attacking branches instead of cutting the root. Whether you believe in Creation or Evolution is going to affect what political ideology you like.

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Liberty dollars

What did the FBI mean by this?

>Beginning in 1998, a private businessman, Bernard von NotHaus, began to issue a warehouse receipt currency called “Liberty dollars” based on gold and silver. In 2007, the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided the vaults of the Liberty dollar, and confiscated $7 million of gold and silver bullion. The seizure warrant was for money laundering, mail fraud, wire fraud, counterfeiting, and conspiracy.

>Note that none of these charges have anything to do with “legal tender,” or any restrictions on people to transact in the currency of their choice.

>In 2009, von NotHaus was arrested and charged with: one count of conspiracy to possess and sell coins in resemblance and similitude of coins of a denomination higher than five cents, and silver coins in resemblance of genuine coins of the United States in denominations of five dollars and greater, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 485, 18 U.S.C. § 486, and 18 U.S.C. § 371; one count of mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 and 18 U.S.C. § 2; one count of selling, and possessing with intent to defraud, coins of resemblance and similitude of United States coins in denominations of five cents and higher, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 485 and 18 U.S.C. § 2; and one count of uttering, passing, and attempting to utter and pass, silver coins in resemblance of genuine U.S. coins in denominations of five dollars or greater, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 486 and 18 U.S.C. § 2.

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/liberty/ goes to Washington

Through some means or other, you have become the President of the United States. Assuming you don't elect to resign from this position, what actions would you take using your newfound authority to further the cause of liberty? Only rule is that you have to exercise your power "legally." Yes, most of what the president does these days can be construed as illegal from reading the Constitution, but given that such actions have been ruled not to be illegal by our socialist courts they're fair game. I'll start:

First, use all the power that the executive branch has claimed over the years to our advantage:

<Gunownership

>create new federal agency, "Gunowners of America"

>every American citizen over 18 is automatically inducted as a member of this organization

>as federal agents, members have the right to purchase, manufacture, and own firearms currently banned by US law

>can buy select-fire guns, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DDs, can also manufacture these without an FFL

>status as federal agents allows them to bypass any state restrictions of fun ownership

>can carry funs into schools, onto planes, or any other area that is a "gun free zone" to a "civilian"

>importers can import guns ordinarily banned from import if those bans hadn't already been repealed by me as long as they are only sold to GOA members

>Driver's license or passport are sufficient to prove GOA ownership

>If driver's license or passport are not obtainable (through blue state kikery of such) anyone may obtain a GOA ID card

>Alteration of any rules of the GOA charter, including privileges granted to members, can only be changed through an explicit, unanimous vote of every member of the GOA

>If a GOA member cannot be located for the vote, his vote is assumed to be "no."

>The GOA may only be disbanded through a similar vote

>GOA membership may not be rescinded or revoked for any reason

<Immigration

>Immediately withdraw all troops home, station at border

>appropriate DoD funds for border wall

>solicit armed forces and Army Corps of Engineers to build wall

>publicly announce that any unauthorized personnel within 100 yards of border will be considered a member of an invading force, and if not dispersed after one warning is shot on sight

>tell beaner government to assist in keeping illegals out or face 100% tax on remittances entering Mexico

>preemptively tell leaf government same thing as beaners may try to fly to mapleland and hop to US once visa expires

>any state which is a "sanctuary" to illegals is cut off from all federal funding

DEFUNDING:

>repeal all gun import bans enacted by executive order

>repeal all import and export bans of any kind established similarly

>fire every member of the FDA, EPA, USDA, FCC, BATFE, DoH, DoE, and any other federal agency that isn't GOA

>repeal any regulations passed by these agencies

>fire every member of the USPS even though its existence is guaranteed by constitution

>exception is FBI whose firing will be done gradually

>announce that tax evasion, violations of above agency's regulations, etc., will not be enforced by the government

>US armed forces will take up role of ICE and Border Patrol

For federal laws that the executive can't repeal alone:

>announce that the federal government will not prosecute those who practice medicine/law/etc. without a license, announce similar non-enforcement of similar "crimes"

>withdraw from NATO, UN Security Council, any similar organization

>announce that US will ignore any demands made by UN

>withdraw from every trade agreement that isn't "unregulated trade"

>use privileged position of White House as national bully pulpit to go on national TV and shill for Rothbard, Hoppe, and the Mises Institute

>use bully pulpit to encourage states to secede, say that the US government will not act against them if they do

I think that's about the extent of what can be done with the Executive Branch alone, thoughts?

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Welp,

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Any of you faggots here still voting?

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Any of you faggots here still vote?

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is there any afirmative action/reverse discrimination in favour of europeans with mental diagnoses at american universities?

t. wanting to study in the land of burgers

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>sitting in adv. macro class

>Prof: the US enjoys much stronger fiscal policy than other countries because we have a lot more empty space to build more roads

Please stop the meme ride, I want to get off. We've gone too far.

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was ถนอม กิตติขจร /ourguy/?

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This guy really was feelz>realz personified, reading his speech to congress for a declaration of war against Germany, then appealing the A&S acts, and then finally giving even more power to Britain and France after the war with the League of Nations. Has any President fucked up as hard as he has?

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What does /liberty/ think about Aether: https://getaether.net/ ?

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Let's explore the idea of Chinese Reaganomics

What was supposed to be a nice tongue-in-cheek thread about capitalism and communism was spammed by the users and deleted by the mods over on /pol/ so I figured we could discuss it here without too much trouble, instead.

In short, the Chinese economy stagnated under socialism for over 60 years and in under half that time it became a major player on the world stage by simply adopting a more status quo approach to market based economics, with Chinese individuals seeing exponential increases in their wages and general improvements in their living conditions (based on HDI). What does this all mean for /leftypol/ for example, that believe a controlled and closed off market is preferable when we have yet another powerful anecdote to the contrary?

https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-middle-class-is-exploding-2016-8

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23290280?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2139520/after-donald-trumps-move-taxes-cut-chinese-firms-factories-farms

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Free market's achilles heel

I understand the arguments for a free market and how it naturally fixes shit (bad companies go out of business, good companies grow) but there is one glaring problem I've never seen addressed..

What about social engineering, brainwashing or pushing agendas? I'm from /v/ and I'll use video games as an example. The vidya industry has turned to shit because of the lowest common denominator, casuals and brain-dead consumers. This is because of culture - people have lower standards today and will gladly eat shit.

The idea of a free market paradise only works if the consumers are educated and know how to vote with their wallet. It falls apart in a society where people are stupid because bad businesses with anti-consumer practices can still grow and survive, as evident by the many terrible vidya developers like EA or Activision that haven't made a good game since forever yet are still rich because of the dumb majority who keep buying their trash.

I keep hearing that in a free market, the best quality products will be available for the cheapest price, yet from observation this doesn't seem to be the case..

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Economic Question

I have been around many ideologies in the past. I've seen many discussions between natsocs, fascist, commies and traditionalist and not once did I ever get a satisfying answer to the economic question. One of the main reasons I am drawn to libertarianism is because you guys seem to be the most consistent in regards to economics and discuss it frequently where as other ideologies seem to think that the economy works like magic and simply having the right government would instantly mean a prosperous economy. Why is it that so many of these people are so willing to disregard the idea of the free market and think that capitalism as an idea is a failure?

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What are ways to become trained in combat without joining the military?

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Which C&C faction represents your ideology the best?

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QTDDTOT

Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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can i change girl's political opinions by spreading my sperm cells in her vagina? Janusz Korwin Mikke says that nature is not wasteful and other sperm cells, these which do not impregnate the egg cell, change the behaviour and political opinions of the girl

have you ever made a girl libertarian by spreading your sperm cells in her?

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I'm pretty sure we're the most edgelords pieces of shit on the Internet. Bring it motherfuckers.

>>91865

>As a result, they all like to poke fun at libertarians because, even if it's not really true, libertarians have a reputation for being "live and let live" types, and that's not nearly edgy enough so it gets shunned.

>Libertarians aren't edgy enough

Hahaha, are you fucking kidding me? Let's shitpost on the edgiest shit you have ever heard a libertarian say. Stuff like:

- Kowloon City and Somalia were ancap utopias

- A guy ignoring the lever of a trolley completely when no one is there is completely fine and dandy.

- What if the child consents?

- Autistic "not an argument" or "fallacy fallacy" community.

- Getting caught up with even the tiniest amount of bait.

And more!

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Conservationism

Sometimes I get into discussions about, "Does there really need to be THAT MUCH land in reserve and as national parks?" There are many other topics where people feel when they're getting into slippery slopes, but somehow conservation just puts the blinders on. Maybe it's just the people I talk to, but conservationism is one of those that if I were a modern-day Genghis Khan and I wanted to convince people to genocide entire populaces, that might be my goto. Here's how it goes for me sometimes:

- Well, the rainforest is the world's lungs. So, you can't have any development there.

- Most of those parks dotted around in the Eastern U.S. are to preserve endangered wildlife.

- Yes, the West is mainly uninhabited wastes and desert, but extremely large expanse of land is O.K. because it's so rare in the modern age to have a place where wildlife can grow as it was meant to.

- Yes, Antarctica is a barren, desolate hellscape of ice, but it's the only place on Earth humans have collectively decided to leave untouched, and I think we should preserve that–even though there are vast, vast areas of land you could settle that would be no danger to any wildlife because there is none. It's just important to keep nature as nature, you know?

- You know, I'm starting to think settling Mars is a bad idea because of the rare chance of bacteria that–(IT IS SCARY HOW EASY IT IS FOR ME TO GET PEOPLE TO THIS FUCKING LEVEL)

- Yes, I think nature is more important than humans in a lot of cases.

I almost want to write a satire entitled, "Mao: the Greatest Environmentalist."

If you're a conservationist, convince me that you don't hate humanity. You're putting nothing over the lives and interests of your fellow man, aren't you?

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Libertarian Fascism

LIBERTARDS BTFO BY WORLD RENOWNED ECONOMIST NOURIEL ROUBINI

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Help me fill this shit in, niggas.

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I decree today that life is simply taking and not giving

this country is mine, it owes me a living

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Hi I want to post about the following topics

Being Jewish is ok

Sluts are cool

Trump is a Jewish puppet

Donald Chump is a moron

Interracial cuckoldry

Communism is great

Libertarianism is even greater

Basically an anti-/pol/ack as you can see

I have read your rules and am willing to fully abide by them.

Am I allowed here?

Will you apply the rules against flooding when autists try to spam such threads because they get triggered?

If so I promise to be a regular contributor to the board. I also know how to use VPNs and proxies. So I will maintain a +5 user count to your board on my behalf.

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What am I? And do you agree?

Hey /liberty/. I was hoping you could shed some light on what I am, and also maybe fix the problems that are occurring with the US today. There is a bunch, I’ll put this in a list.

What I believe.

>All human life should be respected unless in self defense

>Love a republic, but notice US corruption and gov overgrowth

>Race realist

>Dislike autocracy and dictatorship

>Dislike authoritarianism

>Like roads, but dislike massive spending on grants, etc

>Believe in nonintervention globally as much as possible

>Definite no nation building, but should intervene or keep intelligence with competitive powers

>Hate special interests, identity politics

>Strong national patriotism along with a border wall

>Massively cut oversees benefits and aid

Here is the difficult part.

>Believe the Jewish are nepotistic, and unbalanced in their representation

>See coincidences in entertainment’s cultural marxism and jewish ownership

>See commercials pushing miscegenation, degeneracy

>See the destruction of art and media, lake of transcendence and plot, for the sake of cultural marxism

>See NeoCon Jewish and corporations pushing for McCain style US

>Feel we do not need to fight or intervene for isreal or in ME

/Pol/ screams that I’m NatSoc. I just want the US to work how it was intended. I dislike ideas of caste and second rate citizenship, but the Jews really fucked up the US. It wasn’t all them, but they are a big component. But it is spilling over into my entertainment, business, life, news, discussion, and friends. It is everywhere, and unforgiveable. What is the solution?

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Is it really true that the Mestizos in Brazil are more libertarian/rightwing?

Or is it the whites/more white than the average mesitzos that are redpilled?

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nigga looks like a shrew with dem beady eyes and nose