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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

Librivox
https://librivox.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

iTunesU
Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Welcome to Liberty!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime.

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https://archive.is/25ddw

Why can't Russia have the best gubmint's road?

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http://www.independent.com/news/2017/jun/22/labor-shortage-leaves-13-million-crops-rot-fields/

This is what happens when you fuck with the free market because the free movement of labour hurts your precious feelings.

Daily reminder that if you are against migration you are against freedom.

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Political Simulator Games

Masters of the World had so much promise if only the developers would have spent some fucking time fixing it instead of releasing patches as a new game. They must all be socialists because it is almost impossible to create a libertarian society due to the game mechanics alone. Practically the only thing you can do is reduce corporate tax and watch GDP skyrocket. Civil liberties do nothing aside from making certain sections of the populace happy for a brief time. Also everything from infrastructure, to hospitals, universities, research labs, and even housing must be built by the State. Why is the State responsible for having to rebuild dilapidated housing? If I get rid of the welfare state by eliminating all funding the people go ape shit and attempt to overthrow me, and I can only survive by using god mode. I refuse to buy the new Power & Revolution game as it is merely a cosmetic upgrade. Does anyone have any recommendations for political simulators that actually respond to libertarian ideologies?

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Before you go: "yet another pedo thread go fuck yourself", Consider the following:

>It's legal to own and distribute videos of people being tortured and killed(including kids) but it's illegal to own pictures of naked little girls making sexy poses.

>it's legal to cut away a part of newborn's penis but it's illegal to give a blowjob to a 15yo boy

>It's legal for 16yos to fuck each other(in some states) but they can be arrested if they record themselves.

>It's legal for 16yo to enlist to the military(potentially getting sent to where they can be killed) but illegal for them to be recorded furing sex.

>it's legal to do porn in general but prostitution is illegal.

Thoughts on this? How do we change it?

(If you don't agree debate me.)

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why does hollywood hate trump? maybe actors are by definition extraverts and extraverts are more left-wing?

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Freedom Fact

Apparently during the American Revolution the Patriots were a minority group in the colonies.Not everyone wanted FREEDOM from Britain, some even went so far as to join them. America was separated into 3 group at the time, Patriots (people who wanted FREEDOM), the Loyalist (people who want to stay with the EU Britain), and those people who didn't give a fuck.

So in short the violated liberties we have today in America came from a minority group who valued FREEDOM.

I don't know about you guys, but i don't feel so bad seeing how true liberty seems to be a small scale thing capable of changing a whole country.

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Looking for a quote

Somewhere, I think here, I read a quote that warned the reader to beware of thieves who steal for the common good more than any other, for they steal you without their conscience stopping them. Anyone have it, in image macro form or otherwise?

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Anarcho-Transhumanism Thread

(Why is there no anarcho-transhumanist flag?)

It seems to me that technology is the only way to achieve true anarchism. I know a lot of anarcho-transhumanists/antechs are leftist, but honestly technology could lead to the means of production becoming robots that are cryptographically verified as belonging to you, so private property would be able to defend itself. Capitalism is an economic technology itself. I think in the future, we could all be capitalists and design shit and then use our personal robot workers to make stuff to sell to each other, in a totally mutual capitalist economy, and there would also be a lot of things people could make with 3D printers/additive manufacturing machines once they get really advanced. Sounds absurd now, but with how fast companies in China are automating shit, it's the long term trend and it seems like it's not super far off now. Some statists are starting to use this to argue for ubi or even communism, but I think the end of direct work will actually involve widespread advancement into everyone being capitalistic. Even now a lot of people work from their computers, a means of production they own.

Another thing is that with full automation welfare wouldn't be needed, because charity would become exponential (sort of, it would be limited by resources and land obviously), since as soon as you can get a human level robot and a super-advanced 3D printer, you get free income from the capital you own, and can then use that to gather resources and energy to build more robots, so everyone's living standards would shoot way up, and things would get pretty comfy.

The primary sticking block to anarcho-capitalism is that most people are too weak for it, but with technology that could change, because things would be a lot cheaper, and there would be high levels of automation, but potentially down the line due to transhumanism meaning that rugged individualism doesn't involve a massive culling of people who aren't rugged enough for it. That's the only way I can see the majority of the public eventually coming round to anarcho-capitalism and slowly abandoning statism, because most people want to be free, they are just too weak and frightened to be anything but slaves to politicians.

Obviously, wealth inequality would increase massively with transhumanism, but none of that shit matters if living standards as a whole rise massively, and the incapable are able to gain new capabilities through technology.

So, I think we'll have to wait a while until an anarchist society is likely, but in the meantime we should probably make sure that we at least push back against centralized militaristic government so that we don't get some kind of skynet scenario due to the military industrial complex. Statism would make AI more dangerous because it would centralize it and put in control of more things, leaving no counterbalancing intelligence. The libertarian party should probably promote upcoming technologies as solutions to the government problem. If you think about it, cryptocurrencies and existing (if shitty) 3D printers are just the start of that movement. That's going to be the successful way of getting libertarianism to be popular, in preparation for future technologies that make take us to anarchy.

We definitely shouldn't let commies monopolize the full automation meme, otherwise they'll be positioned politically to take over later in this Century.

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UBI Madness

What the hell is going on? Finland has started up UBI and now Hawaii is thinking of becoming the first state to do so. Does nobody think of the implications anymore, or has it become trendy to be completely clueless to economics?

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So /liberty/, how do we deal with the Muslim question? It's obvious they will never respect the NAP, is this one of those circumstances where we have to preemptively violate the NAP? Remember, they outnumber us.

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which sociopoliticoeconomical system has highest social mobility?

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Capitalism is dying.

Give it up. There will be no revolution, just a gradual phase out of private ownership of the means of production. Look around you, it's already happened. The capitalism of 1917 was much more free enterprise oriented than the capitalism of 2017. The USA didn't even have a Fed until 1913. The fed has existed for like 4x longer than you have. You can't win.

Do you know what else has happened? Living standards just keep going up.

You cannot stop this secular trend.

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Degenerates in the movement

How do we deal with degenerates like Leslee Petersen in the liberty movement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9wrwQK6q1g

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Tor General

General thread for Onion Relay folks.

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Reason mag is shit

When did Reason turn to shit? It seems to be increasingly advocating more on the leftist libertarian side instead of at least being more balanced libertarian. Anymore the articles are focused on demonizing Trump or social issues that have little to do with the greater libertarian picture. The only good section is the Brickbats. Also, any other good libertarian publications I should be reading instead? I was thinking of subscribing to Libertarian Papers.

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music threada

music threada

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Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread

QTDDTOTT

I'll start:

Just realized I have friends who are low-key members of antifa in my neighborhood and antifa has labeled our local AnCap newspaper as "NeoNazi propaganda."

What do?

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New Book of /liberty/ - Ultimate Edition

As you all, we once started a project where we collected essays and put them into one book, called the Book of /liberty/. As you might also know, we had quite some leftists on this board back then and weren't quite as rabid towards each other. As a result, the Book of /liberty/ was filled with disdainful and disgusting leftist falsehoods, including an essay by Bob Black on how we should go back to the ancient times where people lived a more playful existence, unburdened by work. Not sure whether this carefree and relaxed life referred to the Helots or to the hordes of Timur. Who cares about historical reality when you can bitch about your cubicle job all day, anyway?

Not satisfied with the results, I started a new project, the New Book of /liberty/. The thread got slided to oblivion before we got more than two or three essays. That was a little more than a year ago, I think, but I remain undeterred and would like to start a similar project.

This time, we would write the thing ourselves, not create an anthology of pre-released stuff. Chapters could deal with topics like crime, military defense, caring for the poor, the role of religion in libertarianism, the errors of communism, and so on. Or, and I like this idea even more, we could have a general discussion on ethics and economics and then go on to describe each form of government/society with pro- and counter-arguments, or just counter-arguments if there's a consensus they're shit.

We got a lot of smart heads here and many different viewpoints, so I think that even if this went nowhere, we would at least end up with an interesting collection of facts and ideas.

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What does /liberty/ think about unions?

I have strong libertarian leanings and believe in markets, private property, and sound money, but I also deeply sympathize with the labor left. Is there a way to reconcile these positions?

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What does it take to get banned from here.

JUST fuck me up, fam.

COMMIES RULE

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Bartering System vs Monetary System

Hello. I'm a Democratic Socialist visiting from /leftypol/. I'm not going to do anything stupid but a few weeks ago, I had a chat with libertarian socialist regarding which would be better: a Bartering System or a Monetary one. I have had a thread regarding this in /leftypol/ which I got answers from, mostly AnComs with a Bartering Preference although some said it would be unpractical today. One linked me a pdf regarding this topic, which I have linked. I have not read all of it but it does support a bartering system as of yet. So to wrap up, which do you prefer from a more libertarian point of view?:

>bartering system

>monetary system

>no system

and also please explain why.

I might try this on /pol/ in 4chan as well as 8chan.

Thanks in advance.

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Why do we need government? I've always been skeptical of government, but as I was applying deodorant yesterday, I realized government doesn't matter.

Government's not good for the people.

If the whole government was privatized, that would make a hell of a lot more jobs. It would generate more revenue.

I agree, government should set certain regulations, but only in extreme cases. If the whole damn rotting beast was brought to its knees and privatized, I would love that. But that's not the perfect solution. The government should only be involved in the most basic and rudimentary day to day things, but government has no place In business.

I don't think the government has any place in recreation or anything else not necessary. Privatize the parks departments (private parks - pay to get in, just like government owned), the education system (private schools work great) and if someone can't afford to go to college, the government shouldnt prop them up.

Here's my philosophy:

Government shouldn't help anyone financially. If someone can't afford something, that's their fault that they didn't work hard enough. If they've been working hard, then their parents or parents parents and so on didn't do their part in working hard for their descendants to do good financially.

And why are they hating on Donald Trump? He didn't work for a penny of his money. So. Fucking. What. His father worked his ass off so that his son Donald could afford his luxury. That's how the system should work. We shouldn't hate on rich people just because they or one of their ancestors worked hard for the money they got! And if they earned the money dishonestly, that's ok because you know what? They were smart enough to get away with it.

I'm done. Thank you very much.

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Disrespecting muh flag

How do you deal with people who insist that you're being disrespectful when they're the ones idolizing the state and constant submission, /liberty/?

Pretty sure those "men who died" for that shitty flag would cringe at what it has become and what it represents, and would rather you not respect it, but when you try to explain this to some conservative normalfag, they get super pissed off.

Backstory: pissed off a community college professor at a championship today because I wouldn't take my hat off for the colors. Told him I only take my hat off for things/people I respect and he flipped shit before I could explain further/insisted on me removing my championship uniform because I didn't deserve to wear it given what the organization stood for. Proceeded to get even more pissed off/insist I was extremely disrespectful to him when I took off my jacket and handed it to him and told him to take it then since I didn't want it or anything it was associated with if that was the case. Got second place nationally for my contest. Have to drive up with him/sit next to him tomorrow on the airplane, and worried he'll make a scene, but not gonna back down on this one… If we are truly a Republic, we are bound to the rule of law, not submissive to rules and laws.

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Homesteading

After you obtained your land through your labor of homesteading or some other way. What prevents someone from taking too much land or from Oversteading?

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REAL PROUDHON HOURS WHO UP???

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what is your most controversial view that you hold?

i think that women should not be allowed to vote (they vote for big gov)

r8

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http://8ch.net/pol/res/10132882.html

I started a thread to goldpill /pol (bad idea, I know), but I'm having trouble with their national socialist bullshit, I need some help here.

- sorry

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Daily reminder that he did absolutely nothing wrong, IRL, Rapture would have succeeded.

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I am just going to rant here since there's like 3 ppl in total posting here:

Abolition of the state is good, but abolishing your own state first is beyond retarded. Abolishing the state and its armies and its defenses BEFORE you set something better up is utterly insane. Think of what happened to Ukraine after it's state got dismantled. Quality of life didnt improve. I have no clue how to dismantle everyone else's state first tho.

Strategic, operational and tactical advantage of aggression. NAP is an ideal, something that would be very nice, but reality favors aggression. Doesnt matter if we are talking missiles or pulling a gun. Getting hit is not a good policy. Especially since nuclear weapons, but even since humans started throwing rocks, waiting to get hit isnt viable.

I have no way to calculate when aggression will be counter productive tho.

Libertarian economies are perfect, but every one of us would have died if he wasnt spoonfed at birth. I have no formula to calculate when the spoonfeeding is justified tho.

Hierarchies are good. There is a reason all armies use them. Even Soviets, who'se whole thing was 'hierarchies are bad', they experienced that they needed officers they purged to do anything other than zerg rush.

Sometimes, following orders is better for you than acting on your own. Fathers should be heads of families. Doctors should tell patients what to do.

I dont have the algorithm for figuring out when it is in your best interest to follow orders, and when to go against them.

All I know that even monarchy (if the monarch and the ruling court were any good) would probably do a better job E V E R Y T H I N G than our current western liberal democracies (liberal in the media sense, not in the /liberty/ sense, i dont know a single fucking dictator that had 50%+ income tax)

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what are your interests/hobbies besides political philosophy?

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Privatizing Air Traffic Controllers!

Thoughts on Trump privatizing air traffic controllers? I know you all have seen The Goldwater news story up there. Sounds like a wonderful idea but I bet leftists will spin this to make it sound catastrophic.

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This thread is about the NAP and Free Market Economics in relation to Designer Babies, Sexbots, and Time Travel to the past/FTL Space Travel.

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Is Hoppe controlled opposition?

Call me a loony but look up his ties with Habermas, well known critical theory (cultural marxism) philosopher. Hoppe consistently preaches anti-libertarian standpoints and makes us look like sociopaths who hate poor people (exactly the caricature that leftists have fabricated of us)

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Ideal Political System Thread

Rate my system.

Budgets are malleable.

I like pure anarchy with universal law to protect organisms on different tiers.

I'm somewhere on the boarder between Mutualism anarchy and syndicalist anarchy with my political views.

Also Hard science make the most objective conclusions, and I think it should expand its rigor to economics and government decisions if government have to exist.

Sorry for posting everywhere.

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Liberty Reading Guide

Pic related is the new reading guide. I made a special tab for objectivism, but haven't sorted the book there yet, at all. Another tab is for history. That one's sorted, but very incomplete.

I added some books to minarchism and replaced Everyday Anarchy with Spooners No Treason.

Anyone have more suggestions on this thing?

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Socialist shitposting

HEY LIBERTARDS, I JUST REALIZED THAT BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS PHYSICS AND DETERMINISTIC, WE CAN SOLVE ALL HUMAN PROBLEMS BY USING A REALLY LARGE COMPUTER! YOU CAN SEND THE NOBEL PRIZE TO MY HOUSE.

-t Every goddam socialist visiting this board ever.

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There are four democidal events that can be linked to Churchill. Except the Bengal Famine, all of these events I can link to Churchill for a certainty. With the famine, I'm 80% sure. Anyway, here are the events:

>Hunger Blockade of Germany in WW1

>Bombings of Germany in WW2

>Eviction of Germans after WW2

>Bengal Famine

Maybe there is more. I'm still starting to learn all of this. Anyway: Going by the lower numbers and assuming he had nothing to do with Bengal, Churchill was still responsible for almost a million civilian deaths. Going by the higher numbers, he can be held responsible for almost six million civilian deaths. That would put him just a league below that of Hitler, Stalin and Mao, but just a million is enough to earn him a special place at the table of historical mass murderers.

And that, children, is why the democratic peace theory is laughable.

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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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Hey Guys

Hey guys i just wanna say i love you all. Capitalism unites many people so much. Take care fellow capitalists

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Muh Roads

Are the railroads of the 1800s and 1900s good example of how roads will function (or come some where close to it) in a Ancap society?

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Thoughts?

By the way, what is the deal with people saying capitalism requires constant growth of consumption? It's never really been explained.

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David Friedman

Is it just me, or is David Friedman a bit marginalized by his fellow ancaps? I rarely find him cited or recommended in ancap books. I've heard he and Rothbard had some bad blood, and that he threw a shitfit during a debate with Bob Murphy. I'm aware of his Chicagoan approach to economics (that we need a (voluntary) central bank) and politics (that gobber munt is not inherently evil, just ineffecient). Also, that he's utilitarian. Still, he has some good ideas and Machinery of Freedom was a breddy gud book.

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itt we honour polish hero

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FBI, or just really stupid?

In the span of three days, we had two threads that were evidently posted only for their shock value:

>>58202

>>58369

Somebody know who the hell this guy is? I actually doubt he's paid for this, but even if he's just a le troll, I guess it's time we talk about this asshole.

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fuck

i lost my meme again

it compared condition of worker in ancap and in ancom

plox help i want to rekt come commies

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>another ancap or lolbert that doesn't own the means of production

geg

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why should i support pro choice in abortion if according to studies women are even more often statists than men? 99.999% of women are against guns, drugs, prostitution, gambling etc

why should i give more freedom to women if they are taking freedom from me with every election?

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itt commies and socialists which we admire and like at least a bit

i start

>michael foucalt

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Public Sector Stories

>Going to city hall

>Getting my new passport

>Get in the queue

>Only one queue open, seven or eight persons in it

>No one is standing in the second queue, but the clerk-girl and a fat, tattooed security man are having a nice conversation

>At least two "no-phones-allowed" signs posted

>Get out my phone and make pictures

>enemyofthestate.jpg

>Get called in the second queue before everyone else

>Get served

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Was brainstorming up things wrong with anarcho-communism when……………Poowawooo!

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So the welfare state in Europe in set to collapse soon.

>What country falls first?

>Does the EU siphon funds to keep it alive in those country(ies) to keep the illusion going longer?

>Do any countries EU or not look at the collapse and cut back or even abolish their welfare states? Or cut back and abolish immigration?

>What will happen when millions of unemployed non-natives find themselves without any basic necessities?

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when can i enslave someone in ancap? in ancap jails will be private, these will be places where criminals will work to pay retribution for victims but if someone breaks nap then i am not obliged to maintain NAP in dealing with that person so i can catch him and sell him or her for organs amirite?

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why the usa is the hotbed of sjw?

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can we talk about intellectual property.

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Hello! I hope you are having a good day! I am having a good day!

I feel free today.

Thanks to those working as allegiance to all.

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Considering the fact that most libertarians are literally pedophiles. What does /liberty/ think of pedophillia?

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Abortion, the Death Penalty, & the NAP

Abortion and the death penalty are two topics I see libertarians divided upon. I support abortion for issues where the mother's life is in danger or genetic issues, but I have a really hard time supporting the decisions of a careless and irresponsible mother. On the death penalty, if someone attempted to harm me or my family I would end their life simple as that. However, I have a hard time passing judgment upon a man when he is already subdued or possibly innocent. People in prison can change right? What are your views on these topics as they relate to the NAP?

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Open Politics

Small political server. All kinds of politics and political identities welcome. Current events/politics.

https discord gg u3fGkK3

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Libertarians, unite!

How many of you guys advocate for the more Trotskyist type libertarians? And how many of you advocate for the more nazi type libertarians? We seriously need to straighten ourselves out if we are to do anything truly useful. As I am seeing it, the future will be a battle between Nazis, Islamists and Communists, and that prospect frightens me alot. Unrelated Pic.

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what do you think about anarchopositivism? https://freelab2014.wordpress.com/revolution-is-sexy/

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ITT: We post the outrageously stupid arguments for the state, for collectivism or for economic central planning that we know of.

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What do we know about Honduras?

So Honduras is experimenting with free market zones called ZEDE. However, Honduras is having a major crime wave sweep through it and a Salon article is placing the blame, as usual, on these libertarian projects. Can any anon give me a bias-free rundown on the situation, and/or provide me with some good sources?

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/nightmare_libertarian_project_turns_country_into_the_murder_capital_of_the_world/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_for_Employment_and_Economic_Development_(Honduras)

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Why should a worker support capitalism since the mid seventies?

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REMOVE REDS

http://pixelcanvas.io/@-127,-528

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if cultural marxism is not just a conspiracy theory why do not you edit wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

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Leftypol Contradictions

How can leftypol claim exploitation is immoral while claiming morality is a spook?

How can leftypol claim to be against objectivity while believing in an objective theory of value?

How can leftypol believe that property rights are spooks but support personal property right? Is there really a distinction between private property and personal property?

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Before the Welfare State

In the Golden Age of Fraternalism 1880-1930, close to 1 in 5 adults in the US was a member of a fraternal organization or mutual benefit society. During a time of an absent welfare state, these groups provided death benefits, health care, insurance, and other forms of aid to their members. In addition they often imparted moral values unto their members. Once the welfare state was created, membership in all these organizations plummeted, with many ceasing to exist. When people come to rely on each other voluntarily instead of on the government amazing things can happen.

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Okay /liberty/, I've been reading for a while and I wanted to ask: Why get rich?

Yes this is a serious question. Why should I get rich? Why do people get rich? Why would I need all this money?

This isn't a argument about monopolies or communism or anything I just got this semi-political question in my head and I can't rid myself of it. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason for it in the long term.

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The difference between voluntary governance and aggressive government

How do you deal with the voluntary origin of certain states?

For example, many colonial populations unanimously wanted a state to be established - it was voluntary. They consented, their children consented and their children's children consented. This is not very different from the establishment of a government in an anarcho-capitalist society - people voluntarily fund an insurance company, a defence agency, a monarch etc.

At what point do you consider a government "aggressive"?

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6/14/2017 Shooting Discussion: Leftism Is The Disease edition

Discuss.

>Republicans were practicing for a charity baseball game between them and Democrats

>Gunman approached the field and asked if they were Democrats or Republicans

>Individual response that it is indeed the Republican team

>Shooter pulls out a rifle and starts opening fire

>Senator Scalise hit in the hip(?) and is lying in the field

>4 others hit, another Congressman, two officers and a lobbyist

>Shooter worked on the the local Bernie Sanders campaign in his area

>Had a Rifle and a Handgun

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Reminder.

Niggers should be kept out of any respectable civilization.

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Book Club

https://discord.gg/D5abG4

Starting a book club, going to gather members for a few days then start. If you lack the motivation to really get deep into libertarian reading this can help a lot to motivate you.

Come get educated with us.

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The Morals and Ethics of AnCap charity/aid

I'm not particularly wealthy and need money myself. I've managed to save 1K to acquire skills to move up in the income bracket. The issue is, my family (hell, my whole Eastern European peasant bloodline) is famous for putting itself in debt. They do return the money eventually, but I don't think I can keep doing this. They are only becoming worse with each loan. Should I abandon them? I am almost completely detached. I have no love for them. I do this because I am convinced it is right. They could all drop dead tomorrow and I would not feel it much, if at all.

Today a collegue asked for what to me is a serious loan, again. It is why I am starting to rethink my convictions. I sincerely have come to believe that it is my duty to make the change I want in the world myself. That I have to endure so that I may be rewarded with a better future. Am I helping, or am I making things worse by doing this? I am not without sins myself. If we do not help our fellow man, then who? I do not wish to surrender their souls to the State and the Collective.

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The flaws of the NAP

/liberty/, I cannot really understand how you think the NAP would be upheld. I understand not all of you are Anarcho-Capitalists (I lean left libertarian a bit myself), but it seems that such a majority are that this question seems needed. Do you think that people would abide by the NAP out of morality? Mutual respect? What would stop a company from invading a far weaker neighbour's property and annexing it?

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Why aren't you a Paleolibertarian?

you guys know most "libertarians" including many self-proclaimed ancarcho-capitalists are really a bunch of libertines and stoned losers, right? For those of you who have taken the paleo-pill, good on you for growing up. Shame on the rest of you.

Before you call me a nazi/alt-right, take the time to read some of Rothbard's paleo essays, Hoppe's criticism of the libertarian movement, and Rockwell's vast library of articles.

>Private property capitalism and egalitarian multiculturalism are as unlikely a combination as socialism and cultural conservatism. And in trying to combine what cannot be combined, much of the modern libertarian movement actually contributed to the further erosion of private property rights (just as much of contemporary conservatism contributed to the erosion of families and traditional morals). What the countercultural libertarians failed to recognize, and what true libertarians cannot emphasize enough, is that the restoration of private property rights and laissez-faire economics implies a sharp and drastic increase in social “discrimination” and will swiftly eliminate most if not all of the multicultural-egalitarian life style experiments so close to the heart of left libertarians. In other words, libertarians must be radical and uncompromising conservatives.

-Hans-Hermann Hoppe

https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

https://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

Stop being Hoppephobic

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/murray-n-rothbard/hoppephobia/

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liberty Art

Anyone got any liberty art to share

ALSO KNOWN AS FREEDOM ART

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does any of you remember anokchan?

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/leftypol/ econ vs /liberty/ econ

Alright /liberty/, I've heard you like economics. /pol/ is too busy with their race IQ jpegs to talk econ, so I'm hoping you'll be better.

Two economic manuscripts, "Wage Labor and Capital" and "Value, Price, and Profit" cover the absolute basics of Marxian econ, look there for the basics:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/ch01.htm#c1

Alright /liberty/, let's get a debate going: Why was Marx wrong about economics and your preferred economic model right?

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do you think pedos will not be discriminated in PC statism soon so that they will be able to adopt?

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Leftist Ideological Attraction

Why are some people attracted to left-wing ideologies? I used to think that it was just underprivileged people, but of course there are wealthy leftists. Then I thought that maybe it had to do with a lack of ambition, but that doesn't pan out. We know universities are left-wing cesspits with a constant flow of new recruits to brainwash. However, not every student walks out of college dressed (or undressed) as Moldylocks. Is there some innate desire to want to tell others how to live? Are they predisposed to want have control in their daily lives, so they seek to control others. Are people with OCD more likely to be leftists?

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/liberty/ Bedrooms

ITT Post Pics of /liberty/ Bedrooms

Hey /liberty/, I just moved into a new house, rate my bedroom setup? I plan to put in a bedside table and turn the other half of the room into storage space/a pantry. Also gonna put in a floor lamp when I've got time to move it in. Gonna put a cat post in the window, but for now he gets my gnarly hand-shaped chair. If I've got room, gonna keep my treadmill in here for the winter when it's too cold to run outside.

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Libertarian festivals

Has anyone been to FreedomFest or PorcFest, or any other libertarian festival for that matter? Are they worth it? Possible idea for /liberty/ meetup?

https://freedomfest.com/

http://porcfest.com/

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Robots taking jobs

Although, I'm all for innovation, i don't have a CLEAR answer for this problem.

I was hoping someone else had any input on this topic?

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Anybody have an idea what killed the Maya? Could it have been a change in government policy? I'm asking because I haven't heard this hypothesis yet, but that doesn't mean there could be no evidence. Historians are not usually also economists, and so they tend to downplay economic developments.

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Sovereign Citizens

/ourguys/ or just plain wackos?

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Anime

What do you guys think about anime? Is it banned here too?

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History: Rome

Thoughts on the fall of Rome, /liberty/? I've read about it today but not a lot, besides the fact that barbarians invaded at the time. Still, that doesn't mean the economy of the Roman Empire or other factors played no role. Mises claimed that they did.

Also, lmao at the decadence-theory! Rome had gladiator battles for ages and a long tradition of having complete maniacs as rulers, it's not like they invented being degenerate two minutes before the fall.

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/liberty/ 101

What would be the top 3-5 most important/central philosophical books on libertarianism/ancapism/nap/negativist liberty one should read?

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Austria vs Chicago

Are they very much the same on the Macro level while only disagreeing on the Micro level? I enjoy Friedman and Sowell but haven't yet checked out the Austrian school.

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what is the difference between capitalism and free market?

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The University of Salamanca

Just a reminder that /ourguys/ started here. We've been keeping it anti-state, pro-property, and pro-market since the Renaissance.

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Ancap rap metal

/liberty/ you've been holding out on me. Just now found out about Eric July and his band Backwordz. Have to admit I am not the biggest fan of rap metal but it it nice to see groups like this springing up and spreading the message. Rage Against the Machine eat your heart out.

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Governmental Waste

US army loses $1.3b worth of weapons and equipment

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/05/25/13/26/us-army-lost-more-than-a-billion-worth-of-weapons-and-equipment

>Tens of thousands of assault rifles, hundreds of mortar rounds and armoured Humvees were among the equipment misplaced, Amnesty said.

>Pentagon: “We have a very good system of accounting for equipment and tracking it all the way but it’s never going to be perfect and there are localised inefficiencies.”

>$1.3b

>localised inefficiencies

Antone have more examples of governmental waste?

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I tried to create /truepol/, a Politically Incorrect board that came from the libertarian perspective, in contrast to /pol/ and /leftypol/ both of which have been claimed by socialists, and it let me essentially take ownership of a board that already existed, come give it a visit and let me know what you want done with it, or better yet, I can hand over the ownership to one of you, it's something that needed to be done, but not something that I feel competent enough to do.

Remember that the biggest problem with making a space for individualist thought is the O'Sullivan's Law, any movement that is not explicitly anti-collectivist will become collectivistic over time, just as 4/pol/ was seized by the nazis long ago, and 8/pol/ followed suit not long after.

A variation is the law that any movement that is not explicitly anti-gynocentrism will become gynocentric over time as well, the feminist opposition to legalized sale of waifubots equipped with artificial wombs stocked with designer eggs that were genetically engineered from her husband's own cells, and the nazi obsession with going back to the gynocentric traditionalism of the past, cannot be given a foothold here, either.

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i miss /hebe/ and /phile/ ;_;

tfw pedo-anarchism is dead

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Post top tier libertarian essays.

THE CLASSICAL LIBERAL CONSTITUTION

by claudio palavecino, lawyer and professor at university of chile

I have been repeating for some time that the liberal Constitution needs just one item. What would that one item? a very brief formula: "Everyone is free to pursue their own ends with their own. It will not be imposed purposes, nor will be confiscated their means ". That said, here should finish this column and i invite you kindly to continue reading the others.

But I fear that if they did, you would be, first, bemused and then also disappointed with that laconic communication. So I'll say a few things. Insisting, yes, as it has been said, from the beginning, the essential.

I titled this essay "a liberal constitution", which causes me some discomfort since it is an obvious tautology, an unforgivable redundancy since the Constitution is liberal or isn’t a Constitution. Said the same thing in another way: the Constitution or limits the power or isn’t a Constitution.

Liberalism is born and exists to limit the power. In this sense liberalism can be also called constitutionalism. Liberalism is born, not to limit all kinds of power, but political power. Or the power of the rulers of the Polis. Power is the ability to command the will of the citizens and threaten (with) and exercise (the) violence to reinforce those mandates. The only difference with the highwayman than waves his club in the air and tell us to deliver the bag are simply the limits, the rules for the issuance of mandates and the exercise of violence. That is when the Constitution is concerned.

If liberalism seeks to limit the power, is that its accept the power as a piece of information. We create a public power to restrain private violence. And here we seek a balance. Should not in any way for our liberties that institutionalized violence completely cancels private violence, or vice versa. So I am neither an anarchist nor a totalitarian.

Should not in any way to our liberties that institutionalized violence annuls totally private violence because the last stronghold of freedom is the individual and their ability of self governance. If you think about it, all the political legitimacy of social order rests ultimately on the individual's ability to stand the state violence without revolting. It is, arguably, a matter of patience. The self government predates any legitimacy. It stems from the feeling of attachment to what the individual considers his and inviolable. The self govenment not need to ask permission or recognize in a rule the legitimacy to act. Plainly appears when the individual is running out of patience. Like the hunted animal does not ask permission to repel its attacker. Man can again be wolf. From which it follows that the social contract rests on the patience of individuals. Yes, the social contract that so many miopics don’t view. The social contract we sign every day. Daily we accept the social contract to refrain from beheading the king. But it is very useful for limit the power so that politicians can know that, if is necessary, we can decapitate the king.

So, I repeat for third time: it should not in any way to our liberties that institutionalized violence, the public violence, annul completely private violence, or vice versa. The vice versa is the Hobbesian state of nature.

Contrary to what is said, there are only two forms or types of government, the government of the one and the governmentof the few. There is no way that all govern all, or even most govern all. govern in the sense of directly exercising power over all. Or governs us one or a few magistrates. Democracy is not a form of government, democracy is nothing more than the musical chair game of the oligarchies. One way in which the oligarchies alternate in power without bloodshed. I remember this because democracy appears today hypertrophied as ultimate source of legitimacy for all. The final court of appeal to resolve any dispute over how to exercise power over citizens. And especially because democracy is surrounded by a halo of goodness, as if nothing we should fear from a democratic government. But a democratic government is an oligarchy that simply was chosen in a certain way. Its title, its triump card is "Look, I got more votes", "I won the election." Democracy, when it works well, protects us from perpetuating oligarchies in power. We avoid the unpleasant task of guillotine them as did the old French liberals with their kings and aristocrats.

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So you guys are basically Voluntaryists, right? How do you deal with the fact that the world isn't a vacuum but inherently violent as humans need to eat, sleep, socialize, etc.?

Basically the owner of a farm (Kulak) has more power over individuals who don't have a farm. Since people need food, submitting yourself to whatever rules the provider of food sets up isn't really voluntary. Sure, you could argue to do homesteading instead, but this isn't the American frontier in 1850 anymore. There are white dots on the map anymore. Everything is owned by someone, even fucking Antarctica.

pic unrelated

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What crime is the boat-owner in this comic guilty of? Explain how it violates the NAP

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i fucking love based korwin

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39152562

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Liberstad

>ctrl+f "liberstad"

>0 results

how come /leftypol/ heard about this before any of you?

http://www.liberstad.com/

>Liberstad is a project which aims to establish Norway's first private city. In a private city all property is private and all services are performed by private actors. Liberstad will be a city built on the philosophy of anarchism, the non aggression principle and private property rights.

>Liberstad will not have a central council that decides how the city should develop. Instead, each individual citizen will contribute in their own way to develop the city, and thus making Liberstad far more exciting and varied than other cities.

>Liberstad will not be connected to public water and sewage networks, and connection to the electrical grid will be voluntary.

>Liberstad will be free from mandatory taxes and fees and you do not need permission to start a business.

>The only thing we ask in Liberstad is that you respect the non-aggression principle and private property rights.

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meta

The locked stickies are 404, I cant view them until a vol logs into his account and posts in them. You can delete the posts when youre done but you have to make them to restore the threads

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do you guys really like somalia?

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why arent you naztrot yet, /liberty/?

>free money for everyone, money = capitalism = good

>nationalist AND internationalist, kill kikes while have free trade and cheap shit made by chinese slaves

>hot girlfriend sponsored by private corps

>death to statist warmongers

>fuck niggers

hail hitner and stalin as the naztrot rulers and you'll be saved

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>/liberty/ says that Capitalism will cause quality to rise as competitors will have to improve the quality of their product

>Point to a low quality product that people keep buying

>/liberty/ says that product quality is only high as the people that enjoy it, and Its society's fault

Okay which is it

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https://80000hours.org/2016/11/why-the-hour-you-spend-voting-is-the-most-socially-impactful-of-all/

What do you think of this article /liberty/?

I think it's missing a lot of things somehow, but I don't know what

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Why isn't there more of this little guy? It's clear that, compared to leftists and the alt-right, us libertarians have the most underrated and underexposed memes, and I'm tired of seeing the same "CUCK MAGA PEPE" or "ORANGE CHEETO DRUMPFKIN" shit over and over tbh.

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If we use real life applications to judge ideologies, it seems clear to me that fascism, conservatism, liberalism, communism, socialism, libertarianism etc. are all massive failures. Social democracy just works. North-western Europe has the highest standard of living, putting libertarian subsaharan Africa (almost no government) and communist eastern Europe to shame.

Seriously, how can you look at this graph and deny that keynesian social democracy just works.

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DATA MINING THREADS WITH REAL EVIDENCE UPDATED

old thread is outdated, but you are free to check it out. this thread contains very updated information

I have been noticing a trend on all the boards of 8chan, which you should be typing in the address as https://8ch.net httpS←-

that there are tons of data gathering threads disguised as "I'm bored so whats all your info".

here are a few examples of data gathering threads. you don't think they are building a profile on you? this is disgusting.

one of the biggest reasons why shills are using datamining tactics is because they want to destroy anonimity. It's that simple. this all goes back to what became of 4chan. namefags. goons. globalist agent involvement in chan website history. the constant infiltration of our very culture. the invisible war. we are percieved as a threat. they expected gamergate to be their final killing blow upon us, but it backfired. now donald trump is president of the united states of america. we are on the winning side and it's our job to root out evil by simply telling the truth. the truth needs no lie to support it. the truth needs no propaganda. truth is easy and simple because you just have to tell it like it is. that's who we are and that's what we do.

anonimity is important because Ego clouds your judgement. Having your name attached to what you say makes you less likely to learn new things and change your mind. People who are controlled by their ego strive for consistency. A psychological tendency towards consistency sets you up to resist learning and evolving into more correct or nuanced positions.

Ego-posting clouds the judgement of others. Instead of considering the validity of the contents of your comment, users will bias their reaction to your posts based on past posts. Good comments will be unduly overlooked because of bad reputations, and bad comments will be unduly exalted because of good reputations.

The idea that online reputation raises the quality of discourse is an idea that has been explored by many. shitspace, shitbook, IRC, independent web forums, shitter, shitddit, shitcker news, shitdot. Do you know what all of these have in common? None of them provide analysis better than anonymous imageboards.

if you want to use accounts because you believe it will protect shills from hiding behind anonimity, then that is a false premise. psuedoanonymity in the form of online handles has NEVER stopped paid shills and enemy infiltrators. also, why do you think shills attack anonymous image boards with such a fevered rage? because anonymous image boards are where good real discussion and freedom of speech occur. freedom to speak and tell the truth is what liars and manipulators fear the most, because they fear losing their power and control.

If you disagree, there is no shortage of web forums more to your liking, so why don't you shills go fuck off and go use them where you can be judged by a name and not the merit of your argument? because there's no good discussion there. they need to come here where they will have an audience.

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Patri Friedman

Is he /ourguy/?

>He and his team are closet ancaps.

>Has the best strategy for creating anarcho-capitalist free societies.

>Knows the futility of trying to win the "War of Ideas" aka, folk activism.

>Said strategy involves tricking statists into believing seasteads will be run by governments when they'll actually be owned by non-coercive landlords, and will therefore be voluntary.

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Thoughts?

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In all seriousness, why is Right-wing Libertarianism becoming so authoritarian?

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what is your definition of capitalism?

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Will people be allowed to buy and sell samples of smallpox and other highly infectious diseases in anarcho-capitalism?

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What does /liberty/ think about Rojava? Is that a socialist project you could get partially behind?

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please keep your retarded children off our private property before we recreationally nuke them, thanks

regards /leftypol/

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OC Thread

Starting it with this shitty, unaligned diagram I made. Maybe it inspires someone.

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/liberty/ please hold me, I am scared

why did so many world leaders praise Fidel Castro after he died?

Where the fuck did we go so wrong? That reminds me of many people during and a bit after WW2 praising Hitler and the NationalSocialists.

It's like they almost wish they could expand the goverment as much as they did during their revolutions.

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You lack morality

Refuting your selfish individualism and cheating ways:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/essays/the-ineffable-carrot-and-the-infinite-stick/

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jim stone 8 chan deaths revel

thought i leave this here as it says and i dont know how true but if true then damn …some 4/8 chans got fema coffin bad

""http://82.221.129.208/baaasepageu6.html

efink [6:16 AM] uploaded and commented on an image: foxacid.jpg 1 Comment FOXACID

ekim [6:16 AM] Ew.

cshaw [6:16 AM] i like it! wtf is it??

efink [6:17 AM] This is manna from heaven, kids.

[6:18] We have the use of an NSA intrusion package. We are going to find the thought leaders. the meme-generators. the shit-posters. I need a target analysis for reddit, twitter, and the chans by tomorrow 5 PM.

[6:18] You will monitor, identify, and using the FA [foxacid] software set we have, identify/dox.

cshaw [6:18 AM] that will dox them??

efink [6:20 AM] It will man-on-the-side for the anon boards and intercept traffic. We can use that for IP addresses and loading tracking software and magic lantern onto their devices. Once we have them compromised

[6:20] David? How many do we need?

brock [6:21 AM] I want 150 from 4chan, whatever you can get from 8. I want 1000 top reddit drivers exposed and I want content analysis for their posts. I want the people who are really driving their narrative.

[6:22] I need all that in a packet by tomorrow afternoon with lexical analysis, proof of compromise. I want clips of memes. I want to up-vote patterns. All this has to be inside the US too. We can't use externals""

rest of it at above site

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wtf

/liberty/ what in the actual fuck

were you commies all along?

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I tried to make a libertarian general on /pol/. :(

https://8ch.net/pol/res/9775874.html

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How does an anarcho-capitalist society deal with the dick cutting problem?

Somalia is the freest society on earth and yet both male and female genital mutilation are rampant there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU2Sr1l4Ifw

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Encroaching Government Thread

Local, State, Federal Governments, how are they encroaching in your life?

I'll start us off:

WA is planning to drop a Per-Mile travel tax on our cars. How will this be achieved you ask? Why they'll be plugging a device into your car. Oh don't worry there's totally a non-GPS option!

>Allowing the government to track your movements, either actively or passively

>The government wants to limit Citizen's freedom of movement to State approved methods of travel

>People are okay with this

It's almost enough to make me go full innawoods

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Is there any reconciliation of thought between libertarian philosophy and the developments made in the latter half of the twentieth century regarding continental philosophy, namely post-structuralism and post-modernism? Anyone here experienced enough on both ends to give a sufficient answer?

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imageboard songs

post'em niggas

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Does /liberty/ support people breaking the NAP if it eliminates people who don't believe in liberty?

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Free State Project

Hello fellow liberty lovers,

I signed up for the FSP back in 2011 when I was in college and stupid. Now that the "Project" hit the 20k signup goal back in winter I'm thinking about moving to New Hampshire. I'm currently living in Baltimore and have lived in NJ and briefly Rhode Island for a time so New England weather is nothing to me (NH is actually LESS cold than NJ).

Is the FSP legit, or is it bullshit? I remember hearing a former Free Stater who is no longer a libertarian and who now lives in Taxachussetts claim the FSP has had so many internal problems it was almost dissolved years ago and many of the libertarians in NH are pretty much the "losers" who joined because they had nothing left to lose. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

I consider my views to be left-libertarian, similar to the people you see on C4SS although I'm not an SJW. I should fit right in if I decide to actually move.

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So /liberty/ decided to do one of my daily writings on the concept of liberty, how did i do?

Don't feel like typing it out and sorry if my handwriting is horrible

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The future of China

So I was discussing with a commie friend about how intervention from the goverment is always a bad idea, specially when it comes to the value of the coin of a country.

There are shit ton of examples of this going wrong, from the most recent Venezuela to the classic Zimbabwe, but this guy had to bring up actual China that has money that is strongly under intervention.

The issue is that China is pretty hermetic, so we don't really know what's the real value of the Yuan, but since China is doing alright it looks "alright" right now, so I couldn't really argue back.

What do you think about China, the way China works and how China will do in the future? Is the strong political influence of the goverment good or bad for the market?

Let's have a China thread.

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Goldpill Thread

Post goldpills!

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Ancaps LITERALLY CAN'T solve global warming. And you will NEVER EVER be able to deal with sea level rise or desertification. By 2050, people will be begging for a strong, socialist state to save them from flooding and famine.

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Objectivism and taxes

I know Ayn Rand was against ANY taxes, so how did she plan to fund the government?

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Evergreen College: Students go full Totalitarian

Some timestamps:

10:48 - 11:25

>President assures crowd that college will not cooperate with ICE

12:05

>President praises students for "holding us accountable"

12:35

12:55

15:45

>"Intersectionality needs to be at the forefront of this university"

16:05 - :08

>Students demand "Equity Forums

16:11

16:22

16:57

>Student beseeches president to "lead", to protect students from "the people who want us dead"

17:50

>Student berates president Bridges for sending an email "inviting all the wicked violence of whiteness… to… damage black bodies"

19:44

> President Bridges gaffes, says police will be trained in "anti-blackness". Students howl.

20:45

>Student belittles president "George" in goo-goo voice. Claims Evergreen police committed "hate crimes" against students of color.

20:10

>Student: "George" should make a list of those who refuse sensitivity training; "their names should be noted" & publicized to students

23:51

>Student bemoans "inherently patriarchal and disproportionate relationship in which you just listen to us".

32:40

>President Bridges declares that every person hired by Evergreen should undergo "sensitivity training"

34:18

>Student demands that cop who supposedly attacked students of color be presented before them at the meeting. "Where is [he]?

35:00-38:00

>Evergreen PD spokeswoman appears to defend actions of police. Meekly, politely explains. Is heckled and yelled at.

39:30-50

>Student complains about "being up since 9:00 AM". Someone shouts "Get the fuck out!"

42:48

>Administrators are berated for "charging 20 dollars for a GOT DAMN parking space!"

Around 43:00

>Bret Weinstein is noted in attendance. He asks to speak, is shouted down by the mob of student inquisitors.

43:30

>Student starts screaming, "YOU FEEL STRESS? YOU FEEL FUCKIN' PRESSURE? THIS OUR LIFE EVERY DAY!"

44:30

>Approval: "Mmm! That's real". Another student runs up to police spox & shrieks in her face: "WHY THE FUCK IS BRET WEINSTEIN HERE!?"

45:30

>Student complains, "You're tone-policing! What you're speaking is anti-black violence coded speech right now!"

46:00

>Political medicalization: "People are leaving really emotional and we probably have community members who need to be checked up on."

46:10

>Student at police spox, jabs finger in her face, shrieks: "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE COMMUNITY FOR US! SO WHY THE FUCK …"

47:26

>Person in crowd with what sounds like cerebral palsy screams at police spokeswoman: "FUCK YOU! AND FUCK THE POLICE!"

48:05

>Student: "The people of color in this room r afraid for their lives. I am a black woman before I am a citizen of the United States!"

59:42

>Student points at President & police spox, yells to crowd: "THIS IS WHAT FEAR LOOKS LIKE! WHEN YOU GOT YOUR BACK AGAINST THE WALL!"

1:00:35

>White male student asks for mic, is told "Sorry no white" by moderator. He protests, "But I'm mixed." She still denies him the mic.

1:02:45

>Student to President of Evergreen college: "OK, George, so first and foremost you're so fuckin' full of shit." Crowd whoops.

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Calculation Problem vs Knowledge Problem

In how far do these two relate to each other? Are they both equally valid, or is one of them a red herring? And which one do you like more?

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Objectivists and Libertarians

So what's the deal here? I got into liberty through the Rothbard side of things, and despite similar ideals of liberty and Austrian economics I understand that Rand's followers have more than a little disdain for libertarians, and vice versa. One Objectivist to whom I spoke had some beef with Rothbard and the Mises Institute specifically, I believe the example he gave was that Rothbard apparently raised a glass in toast every time an American warplane was shot down. From what I've seen this board is mostly supportive of Rothbard, so I was curious as to the other side of things. Why all the enmity between these two?

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Ancaps/Libertarians; would you be willing to accept a semi-socialist society?

Picture this. The revolution happens. The means of production are seized and union-operated, however, they still operate on a market. Businesses can still fail and go out of business, leaving them open for you, enterprising capitalist, to buy. There are only two conditions;

1: private ownership would be incorporated as a type of company similar to sole-proprietorship is now. By accepting full ownership of the company and it's products, you are also accepting full legal responsibility for everything your company does, including things your employees do within your company. There is no legal distinction between you and your company.

2: you must recognize and accept your employees' rights to unionize and to go on strike. There wouldn't be any formal regulations regarding safety procedure, minimum wage, etc (I'm making the, I feel, reasonable assumption that you would not want to join any labor confederations and that they conversely wouldn't accept you anyway) but your employees may well go on strike for better conditions. In the absence of centralized police, it's not like there would be much of anyone to stop them striking anyway, and even if you did use force against them or fire them all, it would be a bad reputation to rely on to get more employees later down the line.

If something about this proposal seems unreasonable (and I'm sure some part of it that I hadn't thought of does) then I'd love to hear it. I think that, at least as far as the state is concerned, that libertarians, socialists and ancaps have more in common then they don't, and that the economic differences can at least be compromised in a way that doesn't lead to Private Security Companies gunning down mobs of Antifa delinquents in the street. Just a thought.

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Is she /ourgirl/?

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Is opposition to Fractional Reserve Banking anti-semitic?

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is this /liberty/ or /ancap/?

Lots of socialists are libertarians too, but it seems like any time they come on here the hordes of ancaps just trot out the same tired "but muh 2000 gagillion dead" meme (which implies that we even like Stalin or Mao at all)

On top of that, you've got the Pinochetaboos, who unironically praise a military dictator who killed political dissidents and then just say "but muh commies" whenever they're called on that very un-libertarian behaviour. That's, of course, not only a non-excuse, but it also doesn't take into account the drug traffickers, moderate liberals, and other political threats he killed to stabilize his power but you know, muh commies.

I don't even dislike ancaps that much, I'm just curious when this board basically became the same thing as Reddit's edgelord anti-SJW community.

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How would you debunk this, /liberty/?

>no company will produce cheap and good X

Talking with non-anarchists is exhausting as hell.

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Religion is incompatible with libertarianism

History, I believe furnishes no example of a priest ridden people maintain g a free civil government. " - Thomas Jefferson.

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hey, Syndicalist here, just wanted to ask something. How are you going to achive anarcho-capitalism?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2uf9b4/eli5_why_is_anarchy_on_the_lefthand_side_of_the/?st=j1xka3dn&sh=c1dc068b

Hey guys reddit here, anarcho-capitalism isn't anarchism :D Anarcho-communism only choice becus anarchism mean no state or capitalism lol…

TL;DR pic related. nuff said. Lol

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Sci-Fi General

I thought this thread might be helpful, because we got a few sci-fi fans among us.

I'll start: Is Charles Stross an idiot, and why the hell is he such an idiot? He's not a bad author, but I cringe whenever he talks politics:

>[…] I tend to take the stance that Libertarianism is like Leninism: a fascinating, internally consistent political theory with some good underlying points that, regrettably, makes prescriptions about how to run human society that can only work if we replace real messy human beings with frictionless spherical humanoids of uniform density (because it relies on simplifying assumptions about human behaviour which are unfortunately wrong).

That's the "muh human nature" argument all over again, just clouded in technobabble. It's a very strong argument when it's substantiated, but sadly, he - like many others - doesn't substantiate it. Worse, he claims that Leninism is "fascinating", "internally consistent" and has "some good underlying points". I really don't like skeptics who concede to all of their enemies that they are smart, likable people who just have their heads in the clouds. These skeptics are usually incapable of talking with you at eye-level, but at the same time, their understanding of the topic is second-semester level. It doesn't even matter what the topic is, but usually, it's religion or radical political theories.

Here's Stross' Article on Bitcoins:http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/12/why-i-want-bitcoin-to-die-in-a.html

Here's the refutation: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/charles-stross-doesnt-know-thing-bitcoin-1389147532/

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Buyfag Thread

/liberty/ buyfag thread

ITT we post shit we've bought or found around the internet and discuss precious metals/BTC.

Recently bought a couple of these pins. Bruh sent me a BTC pin and some other stuff with it as complements with the Pirate's Code attached to the inner wrapper. Got a kick out of it.

http://muslimagorist.com/products/stars

Got a 100% cotton battle flag from these guys on sale one time for ~$20 since I bought it with a fleece Gadsden blanket. Probably other places that sell 'em cheaper though: https://www.united-states-flag.com/cociwar.html

Gonna have a little money on hand and planning to buy some silver plates here soon. Worried about getting ripped off with those plates they stick titanium rods into. Thoughts?

What have you been buying lately that you think /liberty/ would be interested in?

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eco-minarchism

I would be an ancap in most situations, but after sitting down and thinking about it, I'd consider myself an eco-minarchist. No jails (fines and removal of property would be the only punishment, there is no humane reason to hold someone down in a cage for years), schools, etc. but only a police force to collect taxes, a team of scientists/engineers to research climate change and enforce restrictions on products creating an immediate and significant harm to the environment, and an emergency response team (think firefighters, medical aid, etc.) to react to humanitarian or natural disasters. Mother nature is the only think preventing capitalism from being conceptually flawless.

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Roads

I am so tired of the stupid Road argument. The argument in building roads is demolished by the existence of private contractors. Currently governments use the pooling of a community's money (taxes) in the funding of roads. This would not change at all. If we take government out of the equation, the pooling of a community's money would equate to an investment. Thereby the ownership of roads would be made of those that use the roads within a community. The creation of tolls if moving from one community to another need not be high, because if the tolls were too excessive then the community would receive no visitors and no trade. So therefore there is an incentive by community investors to keep tolls low. As long as the building and ownership of roads is seen as an investment among individuals, I do see how the Road argument could be used against libertarians.

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With the ridiculous bodycount that communist regimes have amassed in the last hundred years, how come the ideology is not seen as evil incarnate by the public? What tricks did communists use, and how can we counter them and reverse this shitty trend?

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new epic tune from kelthuz

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ane socidy dad wood gib ub a lidle liberdy du gain a lidle suguridy will deserb neder and lose bode :DDD benis

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Geolibertarian Minarchy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolibertarianism

- Replace all tax with single land value tax.

- Replace all entitlements with consolidated citizen's dividend.

Well, why aren't you Geolibertarian?

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Bees are surprisingly un-ancap

How would honey production work in an ancap hive?

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have you seen/read The Merchant of Venice? what do you think about this?

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where are you going on vacation this year?

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Ideology Crisis

Well /liberty/ I'm stuck.

I've been to /pol/ and /leftypol/ and I'm just stuck. I'm definetly more right wing ideology wise. I believe government should be small and we should follow the constitution.

But I'm going through a crisis. I do believe everyone should be granted equal rights. However, why should someone who waste their life away living in thier basement get the same standings as I?

If I am a contributing member of society and someone else isn't should they be given the same rights and opportunities?

I've been reading some into /pol/s beliefs and I find myself now agreeing more and more into their extremist beliefs because it make sense to be honest. It just doesn't feel right.

Can somebody give me some other ideologies I could read into and compare, because honestly I agree with a lot of what /pol/ doesn't just not on what they think about racial issues

>TLDR seem to be agreeing with /Pol/ on some things. Tell me why I shouldn't and some good alternatives

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Thoughts on the Seth Rich assassination theory?

What are /liberty/'s thoughts on the Seth Rich assassination conspiracy theory? I think that the circumstances surrounding his death should be investigated by the FBI.

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Celebration thread

We're back!

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what is your favourite melee weapon?

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Is Corbyn /not our guy/?

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Give me the logical of proof of why I should choose to subject myself to the anarcho-capitalist ideology.

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Why do people call this leftist?

I saw nothing in here but ancap material.

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maybe we can get along

hello liberty

I'm a filthy commie statist, and I come in peace

I've been reading this book about antitrust laws written from a libertarian perspective, and I really like it and agree with all the criticism except for a natural rights concept

it really got me thinking that I can accept libertarian policies as long as they're consistently libertarian

what I mean in particular is not only elimination of barriers to capital movement, but also elimination of barriers to labor movement

biggest surprise in the book for me was that author supported monopolies that formed as a result of a free market natural selection thru competition and not government intervention tariffs, patent law, certification etc.

author's critique of a model of perfectly competitive atomistic market as a standard of judgement in antitrust court cases is well-argued

all classical antitrust cases examined have nothing to do with price increases and output restrictions, quite the contrary, they often have everything to do with price decreases and the so-called "predatory pricing"

ultimately, author's position on the monopoly is that it is not harmful to monopolize consumer preferences in a free market

what this means, is that in a free market economy, it is consumers who in the end determine the level of monopolization

if some large firm thru economies of scale is able to reduce costs and offer goods at a lower price, consumers always can choose to pay extra to cover smaller firms costs to prevent concentration

but if they choose to buy products of the larger firm, then resulted concentration is consumer induced, and so totally legitimate

also, I really like that author emphasized that question of economic efficiency is ultimately a question of coordination

as a central planning apologist, I only disagree that market is always will be superior at coordinating economic activities

this brings me to the ultimate point of this post

let the most efficient method of economic coordination to prevail in the process of market competition

modern firms already use ERP systems to forecast demand, plan production, and optimize plans

they already counteracting effects of diseconomies of scale

if advancements in ERP systems will lead to further concentration, vertical integration and monopolization in a free market as a result of a larger firm's competitive advantage not hampered by diseconomies of scale, then at the limit, market will be replaced by plan as a more efficient method of economic coordination

will this be in your view a naturally process that doesn't violate libertarian philosophical foundations?

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>tfw government bureaucrat

>tfw fit every /liberty/ stereotype of government bureaucrats

>tfw spend your days debating with my fellow government agents about how we are going to screw over taxpayers while stealing their money

Feels good man

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Concern Troll General

You know, I really like this board. It's probably one of the few sane boards on this whole site. I generally enjoy the thorough intelligent replies and small but dedicated community (in particular that one polite ancap who always gives concise answers), but when people ask here questions it's usually the same ones over and over again. It gets tiresome and people can't give a shit to answer them anymore, and I don't want to go through 25 pages of threads to fish out that one thing I wanted to find out about.

So I propose this thread to contain any newbie questions and first day leftists on /liberty/, so they could check this thread to see if their inquiry has been answered already (maybe make it just a general debate thread, no?). Not that this board has that much traffic to begin with, but I think everyone will agree that the same rudimentary threads are unnecessary. Maybe make it cyclical or sticky, mods?

And I'll start the thread with a question of my own. Besides the practicality of leftist economics or approach in general, are there any other reasons you dislike it? I mean, if we would live in a world that it worked - central planning, Free Territory, Catalonia, whichever leftist model you like the most (or hate the least) - would you have any reason to reject it?

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I know not everyone here is a burger, but bear with me.

I think the Libshits thought that once Trump won we would stop pushing for this. They thought wrong. the Convention of States movement is still alive and well.

>Forcing a fiscal responsibility Amendment without having to send it through congress

>Passing an Amendment for congressional term limits

>Stripping Congress of it's exclusive right to regulate inter-state commerce

>Prohibiting any International Law from effecting Domestic US law (big one IMO)

>Limiting Executive Orders

>Limiting Taxation

These are just some of the examples for what could be achieved. So why aren't you supporting this you fucking commies?

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Someone asked this and I thought it was worth a thread:

What will Libertarians do with the political class and rich people who have used their help? Is their wealth invalidated?

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How do you respond?

>>>/leftypol/1680272

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what is your favourite bible passage?

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Explain me the 1929 crisis. Was it Free market's fault? Was the Fed Guilty? Was Coolidge Involved in this somehow?

I ask this as a borderline ancap, I just saw so many different answers so far.

Pic unrelated

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Woah! /liberty/ and Austrian Autism btfo! How does it feel that your entire silly ideology of capitalism is going to get btfo by something created by some fag in the UK government?

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Thoughts on the pope?

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Why is gen X more tolerant of interracial marriage than millennials?

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Did Hitlers "final solution" fail at its goal of eliminating all the Jews from Europe because he used government bureaucrats instead of paying private companies to do it for him?

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Gay marriage

Do you support it, yes or no? I have met many who call themselves libertarians who do not support this.

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Is this legit?

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About patents, copyright and intellectual property

This is one of the liberty issues that I find harder to come in terms with.

In one hand I think there's literally a mafia nowadays running patents and intellectual property, let it be in music, medicine or literally anything, the big companies are basically extending the time it should take for these things to become fully free to the public through collusion with goverments and making huge monopolies on some products while at the same time attacking freedom of expression and distribution in the internet or any other medium increasing censorship and control.

On the other hand, without any guarantees that you are gonna make money out of your product and that literally anyone can take it and abuse it takes out any motivation for invention, R&D or simply indie developers, writers or artists to create new content, since again the big companies would simply take anything through propaganda and money alone.

What are your thoughts on this?

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stop cutting welfare to the poor

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Your enemy are baby boomers

Boomers voted in Trump and almost voted in HRC as a second choice. No matter what your politics or religion are, always remember that boomers are still your main enemy. Baby boomers were so named because they are intellectually stunted, immature and cry easily like little babies.

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Is shitposting a form of free speech? What about spamming links or nonsense? Couldn't a spammer/advertiser/shitposter chalk it up to being an "esoteric" form of communication to get away with it? I see there's a verification to post here, is that a violation of free speech? What does /liberty/ think of falseflagging and drowning out competing views with volume ad populum style(ie thread sliding)?

If a private entity owned a key medium of communication that the majority of the population was dependent on, and decides that it doesn't endorse free speech on it's medium, do the users have the right to coerce the entity to change its policies against its owner's will? Who is in the right? The entity that decides what to do with it's platform, or the users who have no alternatives due to economies of scale endlessly guaranteeing a natural monopoly for this entity?

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>Reading History Of Money and Banking in the US

>Not even past the first chapter

> Mfw all the credit expansions and contractions

Holy shit. Those were some crazy times. How did such shitty people get put in charge of banking!?

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"Net Neutrality" in a nutshell.

Can we talk about how spot on MGS2 is?

Also, why the hell would you trust the government and regulatory capture wrt net neutrality?

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I have a question.

Lets suppose I want to remove restrictions on what farmers can do because government restrictions are bad and not free market, but the farmers are honestly retarded. As in, the government banned burning crops because those farmers legitimately think you could burn the ground and STILL manage to grow crops out of that.

Even now, the sons of those fucks are doing retarded decisions like killing woodpeckers when the animals they kill consume more wood than woodpeckers do.

>Remove the rules and the free market will weed them out.

Its in my best interest to not have a food shortage while doing so.

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The "judge" solution to ancap problem solving is interesting, but why would the cops be interested in giving evidence that could incriminate his client? Imagine you have camera footage of your client punching someone first, then the accused pushes the defendant around a bit and suddenly they're in another camera sight. Why would the defendant's private police give off the first part of the video? Keeping in mind this is a example situation.

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>no taxes

>no "laws" per se, human/human interaction based on the NAP

>no laws infringing your right to bear arms or possess questionable substances

Ignoring that it is constantly in danger of great disasters and populated by maneating youkai Is Gensokyo an AnCap paradise?

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>cut taxes

>cut public spending

>deregulate corporations

>shrink the government

>defend personal freedoms

/ourguy/ for sure

Le Pen was a fucking socialist

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Are we the Weimar Republic /liberty/?

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File Dump

Massive dump from my library:

https://www.file-upload.net/download-12445930/BookDump.rar.html

I can't vouch that everything is relevant or good, but most of it should be at least one of these things. So, enjoy yourselves. Hope we can get a few more people on board to read this stuff.

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Global Warming

What do you guys think about global warming? You think it's bullshit? If not then how do we do something about it in a free society?

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>Trump firing the guy who gave him the win because he was digging too deep into Trump's Russian ties.

So, America is now an official Russian puppet state?

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Apologize

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Is here someone else who has a feeling that us libertarians are the only ones that still care about methodology in the social sciences? It drives me crazy. You have people that honestly switch from method to method as they see fit and they're not even realizing something might be up with that. They're completely methodologically blind.

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ITT: Grade Trump's 100 first days

+++ Sweet, sweet lefty asshurt

+ Shitposting goldmine

+ TPP/NAFTA(?) BTFO

+ Made at least some attempt to fulfill a good number of his campaign promises, agree with them or not

- Albeit through executive orders a lot of the time, potentially setting a bad precedent

+ Gorsuch seems bretty okay

+ Regulation rollbacks

+ Guns probably safe for now

+ Pipelines are a go

+ At least proposed a relative tax un-fucking

- Reversing course on NATO

- TFW no market-based health care reform

- Military bullshit, between inflating their budget even further and various strikes

Probably some other shit I can't immediately think of as well.

Overall: C

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Other than being an entrepreneur, converting all your assets to gold, or mining dogecoins, what are the /liberty/ approved and disapproved professions?

Will /liberty/ think I am a sellout for working for a Fortune 500 corporation?

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I became libertarian because I thought it would help me score chicks. Boy was I wrong. Why do we have the fewest girls of all political ideologies on the political spectrum next to /pol/?

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Who will help the poor

So, im getting in Libertarianism and i need info on this question.

A problem i ran into today was "Who will help the poor if there is no government. The only way they can get help is through taxes. There for Taxation Is Not Theft"

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What's their endgame /liberty/?

How do they benefit from net neutrality?

I feel that 'the corporations' support it, but I don't know why. Maybe they aren't all leagued together as much as I thought?

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>the taming of the shrew

what do you think about this play?

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>freedom

>liberty

For whom? To do what?

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is it true that most black children grow up without a presence of a father? any sources to back this thesis up?

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/liberty/ , the liberty from atheism , humanism , populism , and addiction , is being taken away , .

/liberty/ , where is the liberty from atheism , humanism , populism , and addiction , and even further slavery from other humans , the globe already went through a metaphysical spiritual revolution , " New Age Movement " , to many , and we understand , that existence is a divine infinite unity , difinity , a being inclusively limitless with liberty exclusively , that is order good , intrinsically , for difinity is a form of order , order is a form of good , and difinity is also the worst and best , without end , endless in contrast , beyond logic , and the absolute logic , difinity , .

china nuked japan through the blood of others , and is still seeking to usurp control to make a true china , when asia is a nymph of the greeks , china has always been a greek ancestral nation , from the start where the asia group decided to name the site they felt moved spiritually china , .

below is a statement to help the greeks , which we all technically here on utopiu are a part of , .

what is the greek that difinity could represent us as as one human greek male soldier hunched over in thought with helmet on considering , " how do we become difinists , of difinity , for difinity to be happy with difinity difinists , globally , . " , .

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All good theories should be falsifiable. What would it take for you to supporting Trump?

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Is hugging someone for more than 6 seconds breaking the NAP, if you just went for the hug without explicetly asking for consent?

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>video implies the current state of the West is a result of liberty and liberalism

>we're fucked unless something really exceptional happens

Is he right?

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Voluntaryism vs AnCap and Physical Removal

What's the difference exactly? As far as I'm aware voluntaryism for example wouldn't mind commies going off and voluntary make their own commune but I feel like that could be done in an ancap society as well unless you believe in physical removal. Also where do you guys stand on the physical removal?

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Ideal Work-Life Balance

The ideal work-life balance in a Capitalist society is working 4 hour shifts for no more than 5 days a week, and having the rest of the time for yourself which can be invested in more work hours, training, or just sitting around doing nothing IDGAF. The 40 hour work week is flawed in that it assumes "1/3rd for work, life, and sleep" while ignoring that you have to invest closer to 10-11 hours of your day for every 8 hour shift you work between getting ready, driving, breaks, etc. In reality either you're not sleeping enough, or you have almost no life under the 40 hour work week. Employees are most productive in their first four hours of work, so it would make more sense to push higher quotas over a four hour period instead of the slog that is the 8 or 10 hour work day. A 20 or 24 hour work week would be the ideal work week for probably 60-80% of jobs in first world countries. In fact, I'd posit that we'd already have a 20 hour work week if not for government interference in wages, benefits, etc. making it more beneficial for a business to keep a 40 hour model.

A "late capitalist" society as the filthy commies put it is a beautiful thing as it allows members of it to increasingly produce more wealth over shorter periods of time, ultimately freeing up more and more time for passion instead of being held at gunpoint like they would have me do, fixing their electrical systems 80 hours a week.

https://archive.fo/OBzai

https://archive.fo/qjCPZ

https://archive.fo/T7Bh7

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What do you think about the result of the French election?

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citizens of microstates (monaco, andora, singapore, hong kong, liechtenstein) are exceptionally rich. i wonder whether there are any statistics comparing area of state with wealth of that state's citizens. i wonder whether it is true that the smaller the state the wealthier the citizens of that state

anyone?

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The universalizability principle and the state by Lacombi Lauss

All major statutory errors of statism can be inserted as subcategories of violations of the universalizability principle or its unfolding, addressed by Kant and later rescued by Rawls and Habermas in order to establish some sort of procedure for a universalistic moral or ethics. According to the different correlated approaches, all valid norms must merit consent on the part of all concerned, or, in terms of Kant's imperative, act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law. So if universalization is fair, what to say:

1) About taxes, which split society into two classes: those who pay taxes and consumers of taxes? The members of the state do not pay any taxes; Because all the net income of these people (after they have paid their tax) comes from the payment of taxes made by other people, so that tax laws put them as real parasites of society, people whose income comes from wealth stolen from third parties : The producers of taxes;

2) About the disarmament laws that classify state security as capable of bearing arms and all other persons as incapable? Well, if have guns it's bad, so it's bad for everyone. Guns, then, should be banned. If police and soldiers need weapons to protect themselves from dangerous criminals, why not ordinary citizens? There is no such thing as "a policeman" or "a soldier" - those who are mere concepts - there are only people, and if possession of weapons is a good idea for a soldier, but a bad idea for a private citizen, which happens to the soldier when he leaves? Does his human nature change in any way, so now he no longer has the right to own a weapon? What to say when a police officer takes off his uniform? Does it change in any fundamental way, so it loses the right to be armed? Since it is necessary for someone to have weapons for the weapons itself to be banned in society, then every disarmament law automatically creates a special class of individuals with exclusive rights that all others do not have;

3) And the war on drugs? Obviously a law that says that the politician X or Y can decide what people like Woody Harrelson can do with their own body or in the privacy of their own home is not universalizable. Why only bureaucrats then? Why can not Woody Harrelson meet with Willie Nelson and also decide what parasites can do in the privacy of their own homes? Or, right-wingers will say, "You should not do anything self-harm in the privacy of your home." So this must mean that all behaviors whose excess can lead to self-destruction should be banned. Work can lead to job addiction. Going to the gym can lead to compulsive exercise. Desserts can lead to obesity. Credit cards can lead to excessive debt. All these things must then be forbidden. If all the activities that can lead to abusive excesses should be banned, then what about the government itself? Is it not abusive to have a government with the terrible power to monitor and punish all aspects of citizens' lives? Any right-winger must agree that excessive government is certainly abusive. So ban the government.

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Really makes you think

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Don't have a daughter. Be free.

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This bill is a heap of garbage if you actually take the time to go over it line by line you would realise that. The republicans of the house all know that this will never get past the senate. The reason this passed was to show loyalty to the party. They want the public to forget about the disaster that happened a few weeks ago. Right after the bill was passed. The house republicans went out to celebrate. Kind of like how in little league every kid gets a trophy afterwards.

>Yay we can pass a bill!

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What are the main tendencies (or ideologies) of capitalism?

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Why is /liberty/ incapable of meta-analysis of it's techno-economical enframing?

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THE 50 MILLION DESERVED IT

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Question

Does the word "decadence" or "decadent" ring any bells here?

I know its a generic question but even within other anarcho capitalists I expect 100 different answers. Nobody can agree on what is wrong, after all.

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Anyone else completely repulsed by wastefulness and inefficiency, to the point of disgust? I despise it more than anything in the world.

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>tfw not a citizen of Paraguay

>10% income tax

>lowest value added tax rates in south america

>dudeweed

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what do you think about anarcho-distributism?

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Does doxxing someone violate the NAP?

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How do you guys feel about Egoist anarchism

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What are some great (right) anarchist channels?

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i wrote in my bachelor thesis that slaves do not have full proprietor rights (proprietor right over themselves) and professor asked for source

any ideas?

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the problem with the left

The reason the West became great is because it suppressed clannishness and in-group bias. Romans banned cousin marriage, and the Church banned it to distant cousins. Today, in the UK, Pakistanis marry their cousins all the time and the government does nothing about it.

Marxism destroyed true liberalism by reintroducing in-group bias. The "proletariat" is supposed to work against the rest of society's interest. Now women, non-whites, Muslims, and the "proletariat" all work for their own self interest in a war of all against all. This is tribalism, and it's toxic. You can't get ahead in a tribalist society without being a tribalist, which is why white men like me are giving up on liberalism temporarily. We are the only group that liberalism is still enforced for. We are expected to act in society's interests, not our own.

We need a classically liberal dictator to restore liberalism and beat the tribalists into submission.

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Revolutionary Anarcho-Capitalism

There's faggy ancap that says you can't assault people unless they've literally just pulled a gun on you.

Then there's ancap based on reality which is that we can use force on those who are known aggressors constantly stealing from us and oppressing us every day.

We need a revolution (or some sort of transitory condition) to achieve ancap!

We need to declare all the government, politicians and police as primary enemies, and declare welfare scroungers (excluding social security since that is literally just reappropriating something they took from you, I'm talking food stamps recipients; let's purge them), any big businesses and labor unions that get subsidies equal to or greater than 50% of their profits (as Rothbard once said), and any organizations that use government aggression against others, such as use of IP law, or state enforcement of contracts like non-compete that require the state to enforce the shutting down of an employee working for another business in the same industry, as our secondary enemies. Let's destroy the state and clear the market of all those who use the state to aggress and have counter-revolutionary tendencies.

We need to set up a transitional Pinochetian minarchist vanguard to lead the revolution, clear everything up and privatize everything after we've dealt with our enemies. Then we can dissolve the state. So like the meme but more explictly an actual plan.

What do you think? Should ancap be not useless for once? Should ancap have a plan for coming into existence? Should ancap have a way of punishing the statists and clearing the way for the market to flourish?

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Posting this thing once more, maybe we can complete it. I've read a bit more since I started this, so I can contribute too.

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So I'm coming back to this board again cuz I got some good responses to my economics questions and then earlier thread.

My question for you today is, what are some good research topics that are incredibly rigorous? For instance Warren Buffett went to school Under Benjamin Graham learning economics and became obsessed with finance and Investments and became one of the greatest investors of all time.

Another topic that I find to be incredibly rewarding is the study of the universe/physics.

My point is that I want to take on a very large project whether it be computer design or engine design or civil engineering or something as simple as building a business system around the sport of fishing.

This is important to me because my liquidity structure is slowly but surely devolving so I need something stable to fall back on.

Initially I spring on this idea once I realize how much there was to learn about taxes and accounting.

So in conclusion for too long didn't read my question is this:

Tl;dr

what is a rigorous study of research or topic that has yet to uncover ingenious ideas?

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How do I spread /liberty/erian ideology in middle east?

I live in there

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black Rothbard

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https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

>But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

>The effect of the combination of inflation and price and wage controls is shortages, that is, a situation in which the quantities of goods people attempt to buy exceed the quantities available for sale.

>Shortages, in turn, result in economic chaos. It's not only that consumers who show up in stores early in the day are in a position to buy up all the stocks of goods and leave customers who arrive later, with nothing — a situation to which governments typically respond by imposing rationing. Shortages result in chaos throughout the economic system. They introduce randomness in the distribution of supplies between geographical areas, in the allocation of a factor of production among its different products, in the allocation of labor and capital among the different branches of the economic system.

Empathetically, I ask: Why do ancaps believe this unironically?

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Why is Catholicism, or more specifically Pope Francis a fucking joke, /liberty/?

I thought this would be good for a giggle.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/04/28/pope-francis-warns-against-invasion-of-libertarianism/

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Does Christianity Form Western Morality? | Louder With Crowder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAnuv53fh4

What do you think of this?

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salam aleikum brothers, this is Stifan m'Allahneux, do not forget to respect the NAP, as dictated by the Prophet (PBUH)

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Free Will VS Determinism: Is it really relevant?

I've been thinking about this for a while and it's sort of a question that'd been bugging me for a while. Does it really matter if we have free will or if everything is determined? Does it really have an impact on anything in terms of discussion (in regards to Libertarianism, economics, etc)? If it actually does matter, what side do you anons take?

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post the rest of pics from this series

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https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/

im considering sending it to my literature professor- he said that empowered women were dubbed as witches

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post music you like

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Affirmative Action

/liberty/,

What are your best arguments against (legally codified) affirmative action in schools, jobs, etc?

Bonus points if you can cite something not by Sowell or Walter Williams

pic unrelated

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Economically speaking, what's the best way to get away with 'neet'ism?

Surely it is possible to have a fulfilling life without producing any type of value whatsoever. Even then, I don't think I would do anything worth doing unless I was passionate about it.

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Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Thoughts on this man? Have you read one of his books yet, or are you a homosexual?

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Crashing Canadian Mortgage Lender Bailed-Out By 321,000 Retired Ontario Healthcare Workers

>HOOPP, which represents more than 321,000 healthcare workers in Ontario, was not immediately available to comment. HOOPP President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Keohane sits on Home Capital’s board and is a shareholder. Home Capital’s external spokesman Boyd Erman declined to comment.

https://archive.fo/Kjxq6#selection-686.0-686.2

what does /liberty/ think about austerity?

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The nazis weren't capitalists. Many of them, including Hitler himself, started out as more traditional socialists or even marxists, and when they got in power, they happily went on with their crusade against private enterprise. To quote Goebbels, in The Nazi-Sozi:

>Everything that nature has given the people: land, rivers, mountains, forests, the natural resources both above and below the ground, the air - all this in principle belongs to the people as a whole. If anyone owns these, he is in effect the trustee of the people's property, and must consider himself accountable to the State and the nation. If he manages the possessions entrusted to him poorly or in a manner detrimental to the good of the whole, then the state has the right to terminate his ownership and to give his possessions back to the people as a whole.

>Production, which is essentially complete and thus requires no further strength, talent, inventiveness, enterprise or ingenuity (transportation and communion, trusts, syndicates, etc.), is returned to the state.

The nazis acted on these policies. They confiscated property, nationalized hundreds of companies, set production and price quotas, and sent commissioners of the state to private companies to watch over them. The Reichsbank also happily printed cashnotes, and of course, there were tons of infrastructure-projects. You may call this "state capitalism", if you don't see this term as an oxymoron, but what you cannot do is call it "free enterprise".

This isn't the first time I'm starting this thread, but I gotta do something to start some kind of quality discussion and possibly educate people, or at least get them started on their path to educate themselves. The nazis and the communists have too long been seen as polar opposites that miraculously ended up remakarbly similar to each other. In reality, the differences between them, apart from the internationalism of some communists, were merely gradual, most importantly perhaps that Hitler just didn't care a lot about economics and didn't try to overhaul the economy overnight for that reason.

>Free Downloadable Bonus Content

Fascism isn't a unified ideology. The nazis were more similar to the North Koreans than to the Italian fascists, who in turn were somewhere between the nazis and the Spanish fascists. Fascism is a historical phenomenon first and foremost. It's not a proper classification of ideologies.

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Voluntary states are not incompatible with anarcho-capitalism

Why would easing be magically exempt from property rights?

Take away the wishy washy stuff surrounding easing and you can see that people would not be free to travel. Ancap is like a more rational better version of feudalism, not wheeeee i can do anything I want, because no you can't not with other people's property.

Give me one good reason why pic related is not valid under ancap (except for the very pic disincentivizes it and makes people choose carefully which place they want to live, since they need to plan travel based on road usage rights). Just imagine the same thing with lots of houses and not just A, B, and C, and you have covenants that are formed where people own their individual property, but also share own access rights to the town, which allows them to set rules for leaving too, allowing houses to become prisons for criminals.

There will be no unowned property just lying about under ancap. Everything will be privatized share ownership wise or single proprietorship, which will allow ancap communities to solve public goods problems.

As individual people gradually leave or grow old and die, the individual dwellings will be bought up, but the town itself would remain under the ownership of a sort of corporation people had share ownership in, naturally replicating the state and democracy in a morally valid way.

This is the logical end result of perfectly consistent anarcho-capitalism without shitty edge cases like easing rights, or assumptions about massive amounts of unowned property just sitting there (wtf is this communism?).

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what about singing a song together as /liberty/?

it must be a song about liberty, preferably in english because it is english speaking board

maybe vidrel? we need someone to glue all the redordings of us into one audio file, anyone?

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On Physical Removal

Why is it so awful

No, its basically counterproductive towards what you're working to achieve. Its name is basically the smallest problem.

So the main theorem is that harassing people will make them go live somewhere else. Lets assume people always have enough money to do so, or will be able to receive enough money to move off soon:

Its more likely that a productive member of society will leave because the characteristics it attacks are those that hurt members of society that are helping it and want fellowship with it. A slob won't care about the impact physical removal has on his sex life, but a caring member of society will be sad someone else has insulted him.

This method has flat out no effect on socio/psychopaths.

>But they're just a small subset of society

Okay. Is your plan to use prayer to make sure your commune doesn't have anyone stubborn in it then?

I could honestly see communes working if people started housing themselves on private acropolises or normal privately owned buildings which the landlord set up the rules for, but then screaming at people would not be necessary as people would be managed by the landlord instead of insulting each other.

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Is this a shitpost?

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CATO VP Snaps

What did he mean by this, /liberty/?

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Is this the power of free market?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4438010/Rise-number-landlords-offering-free-rent-sex.html

Thoughts on this?

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Robots are used because automation is cheaper than human workers

If allegedly humans couldn't be hired to perform tasks because of robots, then the companies using robots would go out of business and/or the economy would spiral out of control towards collapse.

A business only works because people can pay into it, thus a constant equilibrium (only interrupted by state interference) exists in which employers can only offer services so long as employees exist to pay for said services.

Therefore robots cannot replace humankind because to do so would cause humankind to be unemployed, leading to the collapse of said robotics companies and the rehiring of humans.

This does not take into account changing markets, it only points out that we don't have to worry about robots.

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What is wrong with Historical Materialism Dialetics? asking for a friend

pic not related

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If Somalia is to Ancaps what Israel is to Jews, shouldn't Ancaps make Aliyah and move there?

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Trump Thread

Donald "I lost thirty Tomahawks" Trump is proof that time-preference is sinking and political discourse is getting more and more tasteless. Prove me of the wrong.

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How will an Ancap society prevent me from fapping to trap porn?

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George "Dubya" Bush General

So what is everyone's thoughts on Gee Dubs?

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Is this good enough?

t.a guy have never read any voluntarist, liberterian, baby seller books, just using common sense.

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/leftypol/ BO. Lol it actually was a tranny. This is the enemy.

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religion

A strong church is a strong counterweight to the state. The alternative is to have the Academic-Technological Complex run the everyday lives of people. That's what we have right now. These are just organs of the state, because all of their research is done with public money and the companies have employees that went to public university or public schools. Eric Schmidt is a registered Democrat and basically did all the technical stuff for Obama's administration and Hillary's campaign. He's also the CEO of Alphabet, which owns Google.

I am going to take Catechism and start going every Sunday. My half-brother met his wife through his Church, and I will meet mine through my Church.

Antifamily

Antifaith

Antifather

Antifascist

Antifa

Death to Antifa!

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Was there any faction remotely right-libertarian on the Russian Civil war? I do sympathize with Nestor Makhno even though he was a leftie, but I wonder if the cadets or something were more akin to what would be Libertarianism.

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Best Political Philosopher of all the Time (Strawpoll/Data Gathering)

Link: http://www.strawpoll.me/12800219

If your favorite philosopher isn't on this list, then that's because he's a faggot and no one cares about him. Also I ran out of space because I was kind enough to give Marx and Engels separate entries even though every faggot on the planet will vote for both or for neither.

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>Its ok to destroy my people, culture, and natural environment with mcdonalds, feminism, hd pornography, mass immigration, strip mining, and trannies… at least I didn't violate the NAP!

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Q: How to ensure a libertarian society stays libertarian?

A: We write a constitution that explicitly prohibits policies that would make the government larger.

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So did I get it right, you guys basically don't subscribe to any particular ideology and call this an ideology?

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Does waking up someone break the nap?

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Can someone recommend some light reading on why the free market is better than government for things? There was a libertarian candidate in my area whose entire platform was "The free market". That is to say, his campaign ads listed various problems on one side, and his solutions on the other. All of his solutions were "The Free Market" with no explanation. A /liberty/ minded friend of mine saw it and it annoyed him since it didn't explain anything and seemed like just a meme. I'd like to be able to provide him with sources.

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Why do libertarians suck at social theory?

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Kenyan President

is Uhuru /ourguy/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVn5zhlCqK8

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Noam Chomsky

When is this knock-off Jurgen Habermas going to finally croak? It seems that in his senility he continues to comment on thing that he knows nothing or very little about.

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The day of ancaps, nazis and reactionaries is over.

The time of Europe has begun.

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Why is the British agricultural and industrial revolution used as the paradigm of the prosperity that capitalism brings to nations if it all started out with forced enclosures by the parliament that one could define as Stalinist?

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Libertarian baby names

So my partner and I just found out we're having a baby girl. Both of us are anarcho-capitalists and we're currently living in the "capital of libertarianism" known as Keene, "New Hampshire." This is our first child and we plan on raising her with liberty-oriented values. Since names are very important, we want to give her a name that embodies libertarian principles.

Here are the ones we're thinking of so far:

>Libera (lee-BAY-ra) - Roman goddess of liberty

>Aurelia - Latin for "gold"

>Antigone - after the play which first uses the word "anarchy", also can't spell "anti-government" without Antigone

>Dagny - after the character in Atlas Shrugged

>Lorimer - after the character in Alongside Night

Any suggestions?

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Confessions

I've got a confession to make /liberty/, and you're not gonna like it… I was gonna hold off until August, but it's a sin to tell a lie and I'm drunk, and I've been telling a lot of lies up until now, don't feel "clean" going forward like this any longer even if it was for the sake of fucking with shitposters/NEETSocs.

First of all and most importantly, I’m not that old, I’m not married, and I don’t have kids. I had a fiancé after High School, but my family is extremely poor (we’re talking less than $20,000/year for a family of 5). About two years ago we were considering having kids and it came down to either my family or her. I chose my family because if I financially abandoned my mother/siblings, they would have probably ended up on the streets. She went on to college about 70 miles away from me, we tried to make the relationship work, I cheated on her, and we haven’t talked since. That picture I posted of my “daughters” was of my older sisters when they were kids. The guy in the picture is my dad who abandoned us when I was 13. My only goal in life was to be a father, and I fucked that up royally because I wanted to ensure my little siblings got through High School alright and during that process I let my dick get the better of me when I was a fedora faggot. I’m only 22 years old. The closest thing to “daughters” I have are my two nieces who I love dearly and will not post the pictures of. I’m mildly socially autistic, but I’ve never been diagnosed with anything. I dropped out of Mechanical Engineering school around the time my fiancé left me, and have since been pursuing a degree/career in Electronics Technology.

I’m also a recovering alcoholic. I’m ashamed of myself for caving in after over a month of being sober, but I don’t really care right now. I used to be a pot junkie about a year ago, but I gave up pot both because I was looking for jobs and because I didn’t feel right when I was high. I had the chance to bang a few chicks during my pot-smoking days, but I’ve remained abstinent since I broke off with my fiancé since I really do believe in looking for the right one. As for that Mexican kid, that’s a real incident that happened, but it’s not so much I “taught him about electronics” as it is I convinced him to apply for FAFSA, get his GED, and join me in my local community college’s electromechanical program.

Similarly I’m not that involved with the liberty movement any more. It’s true that I met senators and such when I was working with SFL and YAL, but I burned my bridges with SFL/YAL after police removed me from my school campus over a pot leaf. I have some friends in SFL/YAL but that’s it. I have friends who are still super involved with the liberty movement, and they’re who I get most of my intel from. I mostly just want to finish my degree, get a job, and keep my dealings under-the-table. I shitpost on /liberty/ and /fit/ (under the pseudo name “Rocket Tits” since I’m strongfat but have gyno), and now that my meth-head little sister and autistic little brother are entering college, I’ve got nothing tying me to my family or “home state.”

When it comes to Bison, I never worked at a bison ranch in Wyoming. Federal regulations would prohibit a minor from working at such a facility- I thought y’all would have realized that. That being said, I do have an unnatural obession with bison. I’ve toured bison farms, I love bison burgers, and I’ve pretty much watched all the documentaries involving bison that are out there. I fucking love bison, bitches. I would have gone into agricultural science in order to help propagate the bison race, but there’s no jobs in agricultural science, hence going into engineering, dropping out to support my family, and going into electronics technology.

I am religious. I was a fedora from about age 8 until age 21. I started to become religious in March of 2015 of my own accord. I looked into joining the local Russian Orthodox Church, but I couldn’t get anyone to contact me back. After getting extremely drunk at a Halloween party with libertarians in 2015, I decided to visit my local Greek Orthodox Church while I was hung over and I’ve been going there since. Well, going when I can. I work weekends all the time. I try to go to church when I can, but otherwise I mostly just study/learn more about the Orthodox church in what very little free time I have.

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>they think unrestricted free market capitalism doesn't lead to monopolies and oligopolies

Seriously, how do you prevent corporations from becoming your new government?

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Why aren't we organizing and waving our flags like antifags?

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A Question for/about Anarcho-Christians...

Blessings Be. Visitor/Lurker from /christian/ here. Until I started coming here, I had no idea there was even such a thing as Christian-Anarchism, as I had always thought the hierarchy of churches in general kind of made this view impossible. However, I'm kind of surprised to see not only how popular it is, but how frequently we agree.

I'm very pro-libertarian governance, and fairly well read on classical-liberalism, Enlightenment era philosophy, and even a few Ancap authors, but I would never consider myself to be an anarchist on the basis that I'm into Hobbesian Theory, and while I see how an anarchist society would sound good, I think it could only ever happen in a very idealized world, free from sin and selfishness.

So, my question for you guys is this: how do you justify your perspective given what the Bible (and dogma) teaches about human nature and savagery? Also, how do you create an Anarchist state that is also Theocratic, as it seems those two ideals are in direct opposition to each other. Sorry if I seem rude or ill-informed, I'm just trying to learn. God Bless.

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Was Rodge /ourguy/?

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How will a libertarian society deal with the anime problem?

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Is it autism?

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Anyone know where I can find a legit picture of the "American Voluntarianist" flag? I can't find it anywhere.

>flag related

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>Ancaps will defend this and call it """freedom"""

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Orthodox Marxist here. Debate me.

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Why can't you force competition to pay more using taxes?

Lets put this year's sample argument in rotation

>Donald Trump promises he'll increase prices of Mexican products by increasing tariffs

>Economists say they will just raise the product price

Fine so far.

But what if there is competition in the mainland? The other industries would have to either quit selling to U.S., or decrease the price to compete and thus pay the tariff. Is there anything wrong here?

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Is Trump an An Cap? His recent change of foreign policy makes me think he has some anarchist inclinations.

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Who else ready for war here

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Do you know of any economist located on the economic right that addresses the technological unemployment issue and maybe even supports some kind of universal basic income?

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If libertarianism is a good idea, why hasn't it even been tried yet? Communism and fascism a least actually occurred at some point in time. On the other hand, I can't even think of a libertarian state in recent history. Because there never was one.

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Why don't you just convert to utilitarianism? If you're sure that libertarian policies happen to be the most practical, then it makes arguing everything so much easier. Most people are very hard to convince with "property rights should be upheld zealously in 100% of the cases cases no matter how horrible the consequences", but they are much easier to convince with "this policy will get more money for you, your friends, but also the needy".

That is, if you really are sure that the policy will do that. If your actual belief is "maybe there is a form of statism that will cause more people to live happy, fulfilled lives, but that is not as important as muh NAP" then you should be honest about it.

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Smoke weed everyday

More weed less government.

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NatLib

Small government + racialist policies & constitution - possible?

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should we help the dispriviliged?

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Do social benefits actually influence people's behaviour that much?

Most benefits are capped after a few months and force you to get a job anyway. I doubt people are turning down jobs- the surest way out of poverty- just so they can get a few weeks' meagre benefits tbh

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Analytical Political Philosophy

Someone explain to me please how this shit is in any way not fucking retarded. What I noticed in all pics related (Rawls only from secondary literature) is that they are a) obtuse as fuck, b) leave central premises completely unjustified, c) actually aren't that precise at all despite making use of formal logic and mathematical symbols. Am I too harsh on this philosophy, did I miss the right analytical philosophers or something? Or is it just this bad?

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liberty, do you feel identified by this song?

Ultraderecha (the far-right) by chilean band los prisioneros

Far right, to buy the church

to Sell the state, far right-right

Far right

Far right

Buy the church, (pay for their saints)

Sell ​​the state (sells it cheap)

Far right

Far right

Defends the right to liberty (yes yes)

Defends the right to liberty

Free market - advocates

Free market - advocates

Free market - advocates

Free market - liberty

To live in misery, liberty

To die in prison for debts, liberty

To torture the slave, liberty

To protect the millionaire, liberty

to globalize the hunger, liberty

To leave the planet done shit, liberty

Defenders of the right to defraud you

Far right

Far right

Ooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh

Ooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhh

Free market - advocates

Free market - advocates

Free market - advocates

Far right

Hypermegaultrafarright

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Why is /pol/ such a damn shithole? I've been coming here occasionally to take a break from weaboo roleplaying shitposters and constant kike blaming. I feel like that was just a faze and those types of greedy subvertive people can be rid of pretty easily in an ancap society. I've just been taking the yellow pill more often. Since I've also been getting banned more, I thought imkamfy was gone.

Here is a picture of a man's ass.

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Communists want to control the means of productions, 'seize them'. Theft violates the NAP so is it right to employ authoritarian measures against them and restrict their rights Pinochet-style?

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this is all the shit that's going on right now with the political boards

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING BANNED BY SHILLS WHO HAVE THE JOB OF BOARD OWNER AND MODERATOR ON/pol/ FOR LITERALLY NO REASON. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER I WANT AS LONG AS IT'S RELATED TO /POL/ AND LEGAL BY US LAW.

MOST IMPORTANT ARCHIVE LINKS

https://archive.is/Z3aaS ←—- read this before anything else

https://archive.is/NlVOe

https://archive.is/AxgBy

MOST IMPORTANT ARCHIVE LINKS

the BO of /polk/ behaves EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS /pol/ BO and mods. (the archives above are a great example) they delete all the same exact things, and give the same shitty excuses. I would not be surprised if /polk/ is run by exactly the same people as /pol/.

in fact, /pol/ /polk/ and /leftypol/ moderation, volunteers, mods, board owners all exhibit the same exact behaviors. do not be surprised if they are all the same group of people all working together to manipulate everyone and disrupt the spread of the truth.

after some serious critical thinking about the events taking place in the present, and seemingly unrelated experiences in the past we have uncovered the extremely strong possibility that /a/ and /v/ to a moderate but slightly lesser extent were shill testing grounds for the disruption and culture molding tactics to be later used on /pol/, /leftypol/, and /polk/, only moving on when the community had been permanently ruined. they needed alot of training because /a/ didn't have the willpower and the meme magic that /pol/

http://archive.is/nGnFT (starts here)

shit going on at 8ch.net/pol/ with the mods literally being shills and stopping redpills from becoming common knowledge

http://archive.is/gzwKi (intensifies)

https://archive.is/4hNSl (intesifies more)

http://archive.is/eMVNg (intensification intensifying intensifies)

https://archive.fo/SFUiQ

https://archive.is/DZlyo

The moderators are banning people who out them.

The moderators are banning people who do nothing more than link to threads on the /sudo/ board.

The moderators are banning people who QUOTE POSTS from the /sudo/ board.

The moderators are REGULARLY banning groups of 70,000's of IP addresses (in explicit violation of the site rules against doing so).

The moderators make a point of banning people who explicitly violate No BOARD rules, SITE rules, or US LAW, while also EXPLICITLY leaving up content that violates rules.

WE DEMAND THAT THE /pol/ BO AND ALL MODERATORS BE FIRED AND PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM EVEN VIEWING 8chan. WE HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY UNFIT FOR THEIR DUTIES, BUT ALSO THAT THEY ARE PAID SHILLS AND HAVE VIOLATED WEBSITE RULES AND OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH

>just go to a different board

easy for you to say when the BO and mods at /pol/ delete any linking to other boards so that /pol/ stays high up on the boards index and easy to reach for new uninformed newfags.

monopoly

https://8ch.pl/pol/res/34163.html

https://archive.is/qb3Rc

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Banking Catallactics

I've read some essays from Hoppe on whether voluntary fiat banking is possible, and I'm still trying to digest it all. So I thought I'd open a thread on banking in a free market in general.

Also, thoughts on commodity bundles instead of gold? David Friedman and Hayek both supported it, but Hoppe claims that the individual commodities constituting the bundle would be worth more than the bundle itself and that no one would use money backed by it for this reason. Sounds plausible to me, but I still want to mention this topic in case someone sees commodity bundles as superior.

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>Hoppe also suggested that John Maynard Keynes's homosexuality might explain his economic views, with which Hoppe disagreed.[42]

this guy is golden

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The Utilitarian is just a collectivist Objectivist.

discuss

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I made some touch ups to the final /r/place snek

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What does /liberty/ think of monopolies?

Good or bad - economy, society (like say being able to choose from a variety or entering competition with a chance to stay in the game, American dream), etc? Or is it contextual?

My impression so far is that the majority of hard-line capitalist oppose it on the grounds that monopolies exist only due to the state and are an aspect of corporatism, therefore amassed their fortunes unjustly and continue to buy political influence. I've even heard from libertarians suggestions of state regulations to prevent monopolies or taxes on these monopolies. On the other hand, there are the likes of Ayn Rand that promote those sort of corporations as a testament of hard work.

How do you think this applies, or should apply, to the internet? I'm not very savvy about this stuff, but wouldn't the entire internet count as private property and therefore a monopoly? I've heard Russia wanted to create its own version of the internet, do you think this sort of thing would be feasible in an ancap society where anyone can create his own internet?sorry if this sounds dumb, I don't understand at all how the internet works On a related but different note, what do you think of the recent youtube shenanigans? I've seen two prominent advocates of capitalism (PJW and Molyneux) somewhat trip on their own arguments. I'm not entirely sure myself what is happening, but basically ad revenue is being pulled off of videos and youtube is demonetizing them.

PJW was particularly pissed off, his argument was that youtube and google are monopolies and therefore you don't really have a choice. Don't you think this somewhat parallels the argument against capitalism that "you can only choose between joining or starving"? Even tho he could always find a different work. Yes, yes, he is a faggot, but what do you think about his complaint?

István Molinyö complained that because of "the left" and "mainstream media" reacting to companies placing ads on questionable content, to avoid public backlash companies are pulling the ads down and youtube is cracking down on the channels. But isn't that the free market in action? He even admits it's the financial interest of the companies. He's also dissatisfied with the fact that it's mostly what could be identified as right-wing channels that are getting the blow and not an even examination, why is that a problem? Youtube doesn't owe them anything, it can do whatever it wants. He even championed discrimination with the most retarded example possible in one of his call in shows. Here's where he talks about it: https://youtu.be/TJ8NvWvMF-I?t=2m20s

What I'm asking with these two is, is there any merit to what they're whining about? Am I missing some sublime argument? Because it seems to me youtube works in line with the ideology they're championing.

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I actually hoped you were gone fam

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Some facts about Marx for you:

>He never justified his labor theory of value or addressed any objections to it

>He never justified his criterion of social necessity

>He fluidly switches back and forth between his own, abstract idea of exploitation and the common sense usage of that term; had he used the term consistently, it either would've been an obvious reinterpretation of the facts (common sense usage) or it would've lacked any punch

>Him and Engel came up with a total of nine stages of history, but each book they mention them in is missing a few of them or has added a few

>There was never a consensus on whether historical materialism was based on historical evidence or on a priori reasoning

>He never gave an account of how socialism and communism would actually work or what they would look like

Notice something? His theories are so ambiguous, and so full of holes that it's impossible to fully "understand" them. Thus, marxists will always be able to point to some minor detail of his philosophy, claim that it's a key concept and then use your supposed ignorance to discredit you and your ideas on marixsm. That such an inconsistent, fuzzy ideology lends itself well to authoritarians should go without mention. The marxists themselves, meanwhile, can endlessly read the same shit all again and again, ad nauseam, and never feel like they're fully finished. Whereas all the major libertarian thinkers add their own to the ideas of Rothbard or Mises or modify them, marxists are eternally stuck at the stage where they have to interpret and reinterpret Marx to figure out just what the fuck the old man was talking about. Marxist intellectuals are like aspiring writers that are stuck in the worldbuilding stage, and have been for over a hundred years. They now have fifty side characters, all with a unique family background, as well as fifteen kingdoms with a history reaching back two-thousand years, and they even know in detail which deity banged whom, but they never get around to writing the fucking novel instead of mentally masturbating to how fucking great it would be if it were ever finished.

There's some more interesting things to know about Marx, pertaining to his work ethic:

>He studied Russian statistics, Danish history, mathematics, learned several new langauges and a fuckton of other things when he was supposed to write "The Capital", because he wanted to procrastinate badly after realizing his book would be shit

>After writing "The Capital" when he was 49, Marx never wrote another lenghty and comprehensive treatise again

>Most of what he wrote were vicious refutations of the ideas of rather obscure, often fellow socialist writers; he never wrote an essay on Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill or Alexis de Tocqueville, who composed his strongest opposition

Not the mark of a great thinker to beat around the bush so hard.

Pic related, although it's not the only thing I've read about (or from) Marx.

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is it true that shorter men earn statistically less than higher men?

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If the richest people gain the most from the abolition of taxes then they should have the most incentive to defend the country from states who would want to tax them.

However, libertarians have often alleged that the ruling elite- plutocrats- actually benefit from the state more than they lose. And the record of history does show many cases where the ruling elite co-operated with a foreign power to achieve the take-over of their own country.

Isn't it a problem if the people who have the most money, are the least likely to want to defend the country in the first place?

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Sweatshops

>AnCaps will defend this

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Trump shilled for Ryancare/AHA so hard and even attacked the freedom caucus from twitter, but /pol/tards are busy calling everyone who points this out a shill. No, to them, Trump must have hated the bill just as much as they do, when it is obvious untrue. Muh 4D trans-dimensional chess!

How does it feel to be an /liberty/ minded American watching this pitiful spectacle? Pic unrelated.

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On Voluntaryism

Even though I'm a commie, I do see why the idea of voluntary mutual exchange, which I see as the basis of libertarianism, has philosophical appeal. "If you want, you can do this for me and I give you this." It's an extremely peaceful and consistent approach.

However, the problem I have with it is that it works on false premises. Nature and the environment are coercive BY DESIGN. When the preconditions of mutual exchange are unchangeable coercive, voluntary exchange becomes a meme. For example, we all need to eat and sleep. We can not overcome this biological condition. To be more concrete, if the only available grocery stores in my community happen to be the same chain, I have no choice but shop there and submit myself under their terms and agreements. And no, this is not an unrealistic scenario.

So as long as we don't reach Anarcho-Transhumanism and transcend our biological form, voluntary exchange is always manipulated by the rules of nature and anthropology. It's some sort of idealism that only works in the lab - or in some proto-capitalist village community in the Early Modern Age.

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tried to post this on /b/ and the thread gets slid

tried to post it in another related thread and it gets overrun by shills derailing the thread

>permabanned from /pol/

>permabanned from /leftypol/

>need to get this image to /pol/ so they can post it on facebQQk and wake up some normies

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Refuting Ayn Rand through Randy's own logic.

In his work "Ayn Rand: The Russian Radical," Sciabarra remarks that for Rand: "The entity and its attributes are not two different things… The attributes are the entity, or an entity consists of its attributes." The law of identity is "a variation on the law of non-contradiction of Aristotle" (Rand, Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology); The principle that "the same attribute can not at the same time belong and not belong to the same entity and under the same respect … it is impossible for any one to believe the same thing is and is not" (Aristotle, Metaphysics). One attribute of government is that it is coercive by nature. If the government produces protection, then it does so denying citizens deprived of that right. Given that production and income are identical (A = A), then the attributes that apply to production must also be applied to yields. Rand saw the law of causality as a corollary of the law of identity. It is "the law of identity applied to action …. The nature of an action is caused and determined by the nature of the entities that act, a thing can not act in contradiction with its nature." (Rand, Atlas Shrugged) Government-provided protection is coercive in nature;

Therefore, income is. Thus, trying to find "voluntary" methods of payment for the provision of a service that is coercive by nature, is a logical contradiction.

It happens that in practice it may be possible to exclude non-taxpayers from individual protection; At least to a great extent. If a person refused to pay protection, then such service may be denied to that person. If non-taxpayers can be excluded from receiving protection then this supports the voluntary cause of payment in the state services. But by Rand herself, such an arrangement lacks ethical sense. According to Rand (and other minarquists like Nozick) as well as Rothbard, individuals are entitled to equal protection under the law. If the government assumes the protection of its citizens, then it must provide protection for all. Excluding non-taxpayers may be technically possible, but it is a violation of their rights. The reason is because if the government does not provide protection then the individual is not allowed to retaliate on his own behalf or hire competing protection agencies in the market. He is left unprotected. This violates the principle of equal protection.

Therefore, the "voluntary" payment for police protection services is also coercive, since if a person does not pay, he does not receive the service; I.e., it can not provide the protection of itself. This right is denied to him.

There is no way out: government is always coercive either from the exit side (the provision of protection services) or from the income perspective (payment for these services). And since Rand was opposed to coercion (Rand, The Virtue of Selfishness), Rothbardian anarchy is the only possible solution to the Randy logic imbroglio.

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My friend said Ancapism is just as bad as fascism as it allows society to be dominated by corporations which will use their power to oppress Women, Minorities and LGBT? Is this true?

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what is your favourite animal?

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wtf i love rothbard now

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Theresa May activated Article 50

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39422353

http://archive.is/Sy5MJ

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Are we still winning? I can't tell anymore.

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Brad's Wife

Why was Brad's wife fired from Cracker Barrel, /liberty/?

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How come cops and other law enforcement officials are not socially isolated yet, /liberty/? How can they keep up their reputation despite all the shit they do? For all the protests of BLM, not much has happened. The portrayal of cops by the media is still the exact same as it was ten or twenty years ago. It's still seen as one of the top-tier jobs that don't quite make you the elite, on the same level as being a nurse or a vet.

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Next Recession

When do you predict the next recession will occur? What will be the initial cause(s) and from where will it originate?

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Colonialism

Anyone here who can redpill me? I still don't have a real grasp on colonialism, mostly just knowledge on particular topics.

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In South Africa, many middle class suburbs are walled off, houses have huge fences with broken glass or razor wire topping them. People need to carry around handguns for protection.

Somalian pirates attack pleasure craft and commercial shipping.

This is not because the perpetrators find it easier to do these things or because they are too lazy to get a job; it is because their society leaves them limited options.

Hence, within Australia (my country) I do not begrudge unemployment, single mother, disability or aged pensions - as they operate as a safety net for people to allow them to avoid desperate times and measures.

It’s not about them deserving it (and there will always be cheats of any system) - it is about the sort of society that I want to live in.

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Is this correct /liberty/? Is it one's rational self-interest to approve of welfare programmes for the poor?

Also what does /liberty/ think of the people whom sold their children in the Great Depression? Did it breach the NAP?

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convincing ppl to libertarianism

how to convince my family into ancap? they are not even libertarians now

my mother is ENFJ

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The snake is a phallic symbol. Your whole ideology is basically a form of cock worship, in theory and in practice ("muh as long as nobody gets hurt"). This makes libertarians literally a bunch of faggots.

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Can I save taxes if I convert to Islam or Hinduism?

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What is the role of women in an ancap society? Since they are physically inferior to men, will the free market relegate them to slave material?

If so, sign me up for being an ancap.

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So who is the better philosopher?

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Keeping Ancapistan ancap

I keep hearing "a small government will never stay small"

But how would an ancap society stay, well, ancap?

Moreover, how would private national defense work to prevent invasion?

Vid not strictly related.

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>socialized medicine doesn't wo-

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50 Most Influential Libertarians: A Newsmax/FreedomFest List

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/FFNewsmax50Lib

(I know the url is shady, but I think it's official)

>Ron Paul? The Koch Brothers? Steve Forbes? While these thought-leaders have influenced many, who tops the list? Choose from the lists below to honor the public figures who have done the most for the liberty movement - spreading the message through politics, business, art, film, media outlets, and in the classroom.

>Vote for up to five individuals in each category. You can also enter names of people not listed.

>View current standings at the end of the survey - feel free to share this survey link and campaign for your favorite!

>The final winners will be published by Newsmax magazine and then honored at FreedomFest 2017, which will take place in Las Vegas on July 19 - 22, 2017 at Paris Resort. Learn more here: www.freedomfest.com.

>Bonus: Everyone who completes the survey will receive $100 off the regular registration fee to attend FreedomFest. Use the special discount code at the end of the survey.

>Survey open until March 15.

>Happy picking!

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The Moon is a Harsh Mistress - Discussion

/liberty/'s first reading month is over: >>49811.

From here on, spoilers are no longer required. Just talk openly about what you thought of the book. I'll start:

- The book was fucking awesome, the best sci-fi novel I've read since Blindsight.

- Luna was closer to ancapistan before its independence. The revolutionary government is libertarian as fuck, but before it, they essentially didn't have a government.

- The loonies have a remarkable culture and mindset. They're a bit too savage and unrefined, but other than that very noble.

- I find Mannies comment that rudeness sometimes warrants a death warrant weirdly intriguing.

- Holy shit that ending was sad, but my sister pointed out that at least Mike led a great, happy life. Still, I'm sorry that his friends lost him.

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https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/how-the-money-power-created-libertarianism-and-austrian-economics/

https://www.henrymakow.com/austrian_economics_is_masonicjewish_e.html

http://smoloko.com/?p=12798

libertarianism is jewry and wants to kill the white race,prove me wrong,that's right,you can't /liberty/ libertarianism is controlled opposition and you cant deny it!

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what is your favourite weapon anon?

t. absolutely not CIA

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Can someone explain how you don't see a large corporation with armed security as a state?

How do you guys define a state anyway?

not trying to start a fight here, just curious

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ancap gondola

could anyone make it?

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Frédéric Bastiat

Is his work still relevant for today or is it terribly outdated?

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Debate Thread

Let's have a little debate, shall we? Today's topic - the emergence of government. Do you agree with classical liberals on social contract or maybe you're an adherent of Oppenheimer's anarchist theory of government as an entity which per definitionem must be coercive? Starting… Now.

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Why is pol such a safe space? Every ancap BTFOs racism and they just ban them.

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Hypersensitivity to Negativity/ General

I need a breath of fresh air.

There's a particular pre-alpha video game coming out, and I was making myself active on the forums, in order to show support, write longer, well-written posts, and show distaste in general for poorly-written posts. At every single turn the moderation team silences, rebuts, and deletes any and all negative posts, opinions, and expressions. (Not just mine, others as well.) The tolerated post-type are only those which express excitement for the game and those which dick-suck agree with other posts.

So, I need some fresh air, so to speak.

Discuss, or just /general/ for hypersensitivity and censorship on the internet these days.

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What the fuck makes you think that you can have a free society without mercilessly executing communists and Islamists by throwing them out of helicopters?

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explain this

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Ban this poster.

>muh freedumz

Incorrect, liberal scum

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This man just declared himself candidate for the Brazilian 2018 elections. He promises to bring free-market capitalism and harsh combat against communism & socialism in our crippled economy. I do not care that he gets fucked in the ass by other men, he's laissez faire, and that is prefect for me. #DrRey2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Em0Lo0UpU&app=desktop Share this PLEASE. We need the forces of 4chan and the power of Kek to win, and become a relevant country. #MakeBrazilGreatForOnce

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DATA GATHERING THREADS WITH REAL EVIDENCE

I have been noticing a trend on all the boards of 8chan, which you should be typing in the address as https://8ch.net httpS←-

that there are tons of data gathering threads disguised as "I'm bored so whats all your info".

here are a few examples of data gathering threads. you don't think they are building a profile on you? this is disgusting.

now shills are making up excuses in the hopes of using the "divide and conquer tactics" by blaming other boards to create infighting and destroy 8chan even further

the shills are panicking after the exposing of their tactics. extremely hilarious thread happens and shills get totally humiliated as their plan backfires instantly. archives linked below for your reading enjoyement.

>"The datamining scare"

>"They're flagging all discussion threads as "datamining" threads with little exception."

you mean like all the obvious data mining threads listed below?

>"The short-term goal of this is to cease all discussion on /b/ by convincing us that there is no discussion."

because letting data mining shill retards flood the whole catalog with "lul whats yur info" in poorly disguised threads is just excellent discussion!

>Do not let them destroy this website.

"lul he will not divide us, he will not devide us!"

pepe! pepe!!!

>If you have any issue with knowledge about you being on the internet, then don't post it. It's as simple as that.

when threads are made with sinister design for the purpose of extorting and extracting information from anons, it's as simple as getting bored that there are no quality threads because the shill threads pushed them off the page, and posting a reply in the wrong place, getting your info sent to a bad place without your consent. simple as that.

>flagging threads as datamining threads destroys it because it's a massive attempt at convincing everyone that the discussion here is not genuine,

>destroys it

>convincing everyone that the discussion here is not genuine,

>no no my shilling is failing, don't wake people up because our shilling will be "destroy" when they realize the discussion isn't genuine.

link:

https://8ch.net/b/res/6676021.html

https://archive.is/tSe74

(after some discussion)

https://archive.is/cDocB

(even more discussion)

https://archive.is/v5Hpe

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Now, I've been reading "Economics in one Lesson", and I have a small criticism regarding Ancapistan.

Wouldn't it be just like a classical economist in shape? The market seemingly does not give a fuck about short term consequences, just as classical economists do not. Taking a example, lets remember the page where they talk about machines replacing skilled workers and forcing them into unskilled jobs. Now you might regard this as good in the long term, but it saunters over any short-term problems that might arrive form part of the population losing their short-term jobs.

And how do you reply to this?

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Convince me you can't that Jesus wasn't a libertarian he was.

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Does involuntary assplay violate the NAP?

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Take me under your wing.

Teach me about AnCap society. I know welfare and government fund programs will get killed as a whole, with people fending off for themselves. That, and taxes will die forever. Something about getting "the fuck off of my property" as well.

Tell me, what other differences are there between the capitalism we have now and your goals.

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But why equality

Removing women form the workforce would double the value of workers, allowing families to live with only one worker(The father) and making the people more prosperous. Why not allow this to happen, other than "women will protest"?

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Does this board have a mascot other than steppy snake? If not someone should draw a QT3.14 mascot for /liberty/ and name it Smol Government

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Ultimate Libertarian MemeBall Thread

Post your best MemeBalls here lads. Be sure to post templates and create your own for me to use later. I want this to be the best libertarian MemeBall thread, busting in commies and nazis, ever. I'll start.

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Gay Conversion Therapy

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/28/gay-conversion-therapy-ruins-lives-lgbt-rights

Let's talk about this article.

Two problems I have are

>yes, people who have gay conversion therapy commit suicide more often, but so too do homosexuals who didn't undergo therapy. the therapy might do nothing at all

>just because homosexuality is not a mental illness, according to a certain criteria, does not mean it is irrational to try to reduce homosexuality.

What does /liberty/ think?

Should these groups be regulated?

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>white people

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Modern Sexuality - Depravity by Choice

Now that sex is everywhere, it has low value, sort of like running water. We are learning that sexual liberation means sexual conformity, and because the herd is all doing the same thing, value flees to those who are outsiders and doing something else, like tying sex to family and existential purpose, which makes it more valuable where “liberation” makes it less valuable.

Like all things Leftist, sexual democratization renders worthless something one prized by destroying the best examples of it so that the other examples can feel “equal.” In other words, no one gets what is beautiful; beauty is destroyed so that the average can rule. This is what the fearful and tyrannical human ego does to any segment of experience.

For example, Americans are having less sex because sex is sort of like running water or wi-fi now, i.e. everywhere and without much significance, which cries out for it to be bonded to something larger and more transcendental than what modernity has reduced to a bodily function:

https://archive.is/yVq6r

In other words, sex has become a bargaining chip. People trade it for acceptance in a relationship, and once they are in one, there is no need for a further transaction. The liberation of sex has made everyone into slow-motion prostitutes. And as a result, sex has become a chore like any other job, something done in exchange for money or power and therefore, something undesirable.

This is the nature of all things under egalitarianism. Because society is re-oriented toward a minimum, everything which is not mediocre becomes a commodity, and as the herd chases after it, its value falls as it becomes democratized or spread around. In the end, nothing is worth anything, but each prole can claim they are a king… albeit in an entropic wasteland where nothing has value.

Stephanie says:

The sad reckoning may be on the way. Zika babies seems to be an apt warning and outcome. Sins of the father. Degeneration. Visited upon the innocent.

When kids are seeking to be a different gender, and are encouraged to do so by the ‘adults’ and the ‘experts’, and then anyone who proclaims that an anus is not a vagina and is persecuted for saying so, well, some very bad things are in store for humanity. This should be obvious.

Its going to get worse, much worse, and humanity may not survive. So much for Mars.

https://archive.is/3i6eb

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Hello /liberty/, i'm fairly new to libertarianism. Can someone explain to me how law works in an anarcho-capitalist society? I know that the law is decided through direct democracy in leftist branches of anarchism.

Pic unrelated.

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How can there be property rights when all property is inherently mine?

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What are some /liberty/ approved movies? Documentaries, fiction, whatever.

I would start with Mad Max

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what do you think about alex jones?

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Shit like this is why people hate us.

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2017/03/is_immigration.html

There are many complaints about governments, but the harshest is, "This government grossly violates human rights." The background assumption is that human beings have rights that everyone - including governments - is morally obliged to respect. When looking at the grossest violators - Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Maoist China - almost no one denies the validity of the idea of human rights. But then you have to wonder: Do the governments we know, accept, and even love have clean hands? Or do they violate human rights, too?

To answer, we normally apply a simple test: If an individual treated other people the same way the government does, would he clearly be a horrible criminal? If an individual deliberately kills innocent people, he's murderer; if an individual imprisons innocent people, he's a kidnapper. A government that does the same violates basic human rights - and it can't justify its actions by calling innocent people "criminals." If someone is peacefully living his life, he's innocent - whatever the government says.

What does this have to do with immigration? Lots. Since we're in San Diego, you've seen illegal immigrants. What are the vast majority of them doing? Working for willing employers. Renting apartments from willing landlords. Buying stuff from willing merchants. Sending money home to their families. Maybe even sitting next to you in class. They sure look innocent - even admirable. But the U.S. government can and does forcibly arrest and exile them to the Third World. Why can't they all just come legally? Because exile is the default; they're all exiled unless the U.S. government makes a rare exception. This is far less bad than killing or imprisoning them, but it sure looks like a severe human rights violation. If the U.S. government forbade you to live and work here, wouldn't that be a severe violation of your human rights?

You could reasonably object that human rights are not absolute. While there's a strong moral presumption against killing, imprisoning, or exiling innocent people, it's okay to do so if the overall consequences of respecting human rights are clearly awful. The main problem with this objection is that when social scientists measure the overall consequences of immigration, they're not clearly awful. In fact, the overall consequences look totally awesome. Most notably, standard economic estimates say that letting all the world's talent flow to wherever it's most productive would roughly DOUBLE global prosperity. That's an extra $75 TRILLION of extra wealth per year. How is this possible? Because even the world's lowest-skill workers produce far more in the First World than they do at home. Even if all other fears about immigration were bulletproof - which they aren't - they're dwarfed by this gargantuan economic gain. This isn't trickle-down economics; it's Niagara Falls economics.

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how will we prevent pandemy and epidemy if we do not force everyone to vaccinate? will in ancap be separate cities for vaccined ppl and nonvaccined ppl and quarantine squats in boarders of city of vaccined ppl?

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https://www.facebook.com/John.Lindley1988/videos/10104575049675719/

http://www.thelibertyconservative.com/richard-spencer-triggers-snowflakes-nearly-starts-riot-students-liberty-conference/

The way Tucker and presumably some ISFLC "libertarians" acted like a mob to harass Spencer while he was just sitting there explaining things was cancerous and just as bad as leftists. Is it just me or is anyone else really sick of all this anti-Nazi rhetoric we've been hearing non-stop for years, when all things considered they're far from the worst or most prominent political group out there? In comparison, being a commie, hard socialists or any other retarded leftist ideology that has objectively killed more people is completely socially acceptable.

Anyway, I hope not to be associated with any of the retards in the video.

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So what exactly is the plan for statelessly smashing the state?

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Property is a positive right.

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have you ever had any mental problem

have you ever received any psychological/psychiatric diagnosis?

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National Socialism is the last stand of implicit liberty. Prove me wrong.

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Are """anarchists""" who support Trump or any president literally retarded? What kind of autist can support presidents while still claiming to be an anarchist??

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here we go again

BITCOIN CROSSES GOLD

Winklevii pushing for Bitcoin ETF

You Can Bet On Whether the SEC Approves the First Bitcoin ETF

http://archive.is/IFcAt

It’s a bit metaphysical – even for a virtual currency.

Speculators can bet on whether the Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust (COIN), developed by the venture capitalist twins who were involved in a long-running legal battle over the ownership of Facebook, will be approved as the first exchange-traded fund to track a digital currency by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Such wagers can only be placed and settled in Bitcoin, naturally, on the BitMEX platform, which offers the ability to trade certain cryptocurrency derivatives with “up to 100x leverage.” The Winklevoss’s personal edition of March Madness happens in three weeks, with the decision on whether the SEC approves the $100-million offering due March 11.

“There’s rarely ever interest in filings, let alone the hype associated with this one, let alone betting on whether it’ll be approved!” said Eric Balchunas, ETF analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence.

Bitcoin has surged 14 percent in the past two weeks to approach all-time highs, with interest in owning the currency remaining strong in China even after authorities there tightened conversion controls in an attempt to curb capital outflows. Asia’s largest economy is home to most of the world’s bitcoin trades.

As of Tuesday morning, the prediction contract’s pricing implied a 36.37 percent chance that the proposal, which has been tweaked about a dozen times over a registration battle that’s stretched over three years, will be successful.

The twins, Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, became famous as a foil to Mark Zuckerberg, whom they alleged in a lawsuit had used their source code to build the site that would become Facebook Inc.

The case for denial of the product rests primarily in the history of security breaches this asset class has suffered, most infamously the Mt. Gox debacle. More recently, hackers helped themselves to about $65 million worth of the virtual currency in August 2016.

“When the SEC approves a product, they’re saying it’s ready for prime time for Middle America,” Balchunas said. “And that may be what trumps it all here: by approving it, the SEC would be legitimizing this product for retail investors.”

The long registration process may have already taken its toll on the Winklevoss bid to attract investors. The digital currency has gained more than 1,000 percent against the dollar since their initial prospectus was filed. And when it comes to asset-gathering in ETFs, “if you ain’t first, you’re last,” to quote the father of a fictional race-car driver.

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Are multinational mega-corporations like Monsanto or Nestle and their level of intereference with the environment, politics and society the embodiment of the rule of the free market and/or anarcho-capitalism?

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Do you guys know what happened to Paulville? It seemed like an interesting concept but I cant find any information on what happened to it.

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Economic Arguments Against Socialism

What are some economic arguments against socialism? I know that the labor theory of value doesn't hold up and socialist systems suffer from the economic calculation problem but what are some other arguments? Specifically against anarcho-socialism because debunking Marxist Leninist socialism and "Democratic Socialism" are too obvious.

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Is McCain hijacking U.S. foreign policy from Trump administration?

Yes its worldnet daily but its an article by Pat Buchanan. Pat Buchanan is a paleocon and not a libertarian but in foreign policy there are some things in common with Pat Buchanan and libertarians

http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/is-mccain-hijacking-trumps-foreign-policy/

“The senator from Kentucky,” said John McCain, speaking of his colleague Rand Paul, “is working for Vladimir Putin … and I do not say that lightly.”

What did Sen. Paul do to deserve being called a hireling of Vladimir Putin?

He declined to support McCain’s call for a unanimous Senate vote to bring Montenegro into NATO as the 29th member of a Cold War alliance President Trump has called “obsolete.”

Bordered by Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania, tiny Montenegro has a population roughly that of D.C., and sits on the western coast of the most volatile peninsula in Europe.

What strategic benefit would accrue from having Montenegro as an ally that would justify the risk of our having to go to war should some neighbor breach Montenegro’s borders?

Historically, the Balkans have been an incubator of war. In the 19th century, Otto van Bismarck predicted that when the Great War came, it would come out of “some damn fool thing in the Balkans.” And so it did when the Austrian archduke was assassinated in Sarajevo June 28, 1914, by Serbian ethnonationalist Gavrilo Princip.

Aflame with ethnic, civil and sectarian war in the 1990s, the western Balkans are again in political turmoil. Milo Djukanovic, the longtime Montenegrin prime minister who resigned on election day in October, claims that he was targeted for assassination by Russia to prevent Montenegro’s accession to NATO.

<snip>

But if Montenegro, awash in corruption and crime, is on the verge of an uprising or coup, why would the U.S. issue a war guarantee that could vault us into a confrontation with Russia – without a full Senate debate?

The vote that needs explaining here is not Rand Paul’s.

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Spanking and the NAP

Does the NAP apply to spanking?

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How will a libertarian society deal with the problems non-binary people face everyday?

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I hereby proclaim the following truths about the alt-right:

>They have no theory of their own, and no idea on how to into economics

>Their contribution to political discourse is to refute the posts of sexually confused teenagers on Tumblr and YouTube

>They discovered political incorrectness last year and haven't even read "The Color of Crime" lmao

>Their safe harbour is a board that came up with a cancerous pseudo-religion called kekism in a bland attempt to copy /bane/

>The saviors of the alt-right are a second-rate philosopher and female MRA, a flamboyant homosexual journalist and a pro-Israel presidential candidate with bad manners

In other words, git gud fucking kids.