Catalog (/liberty/)

Resources for Liberty

Welcome to Liberty!

Can anything be done?

>"All men are created equal"

What did they mean by this?

Are there any British people here and if so how do you care about state-funded communist propaganda?

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35868216

Any holocaust revisionists here? I want to see if libertarians or ancaps also know that holohoax is a hoax

/liberty/ on Masterchan!

Hello guys.

I've made a /liberty/ board on Masterchan.

https://masterchan.org/liberty/thread/1

8ch has started to ban VPNs, etc. I think it's in the stage what 4chan was around 2012. Also, /pol/cucks/trumpcucks are having greater and greater power over the site. Even if that's not true, it's good to have redundancy. On Masterchan, there are no mods. If you don't post anything illegal by USA/Netherlands law, the worst thing that can happen to your thread is getting Off Topic'd. This means that they'll get lower on the list of threads, kind of like being bump-limited.

I was really hopeless before I found you guys! Keep the flame of liberty alive!

I hope you'll find some time to spend on /liberty/ on Masterchan!

Ethnonationalism, Culture, and Liberty

Hey folks, I came across a discussion on /politics/ and I wanted to get your thoughts on the matter. Both of the people arguing seem to make good points, but I'd like to see more discussion on the subject.

>>>/politics/3944

Libertarian Paradox

The Sixth Amendment lists that the accused have the right to counsel, even if they cannot afford it.

Is the payment of a poor defendant's attorney with taxpayer money an unjust redistribution of wealth? Should the poor be dragged into court by the state, unable to obtain the counsel of someone competent in the law?

Is it possible to reconcile my Catholic/reactionary views with voluntaryism?

have a cartoon of freedom snake girl from /leftypol/

What do you people think of this image?

My instinct is to say it's a hock of shit but wouldn't you trust it if the line went the other way?

So then should I become a leftist/ centrist?

Life is hard

Libertypill me on Aaron Burr. Everything I've ever read about him has told me he was a shifty treacherous fuck, but nobody that kills Alexander Hamilton can be all bad.

It worked in Spain, didn't it?

Hold me tight, /liberty/

So, guys. News from Germany.

On the 12th of February, two men somewhere in Hamburg where driving around, when they were assaulted by armed men wearing balaclavas. One of the men was shot in the face, lost his eyesight and can only eat through a straw now. The other was kicked in the back, and subsequently lost feeling in his legs for several days, as he had a hernia just a few days prior.

Now, take a guess what the police had been doing while this was happening. The thugs with the balaclavas? Those were the cops. A Mobiles Einsatzkommando, to be exact, something like SWAT. They apparently tried to detain a criminal but then accidentally innocent citizens. Oops.

I heard about this incident today. It still hasn't been resolved yet. The victims are still waiting for their compensation, the prosecutors still haven't done shit, but at least this dangerous criminal the police were searching for was taken in. Hooray!

I called the police department in charge of the MEK, because I feel pretty damn entitled to an explanation from them. The charming ladies I was connected with ended the conversation quickly, because apparently, I was impolite. Think about this: Two men have been crippled. One of them permanently. The policemen haven't even been wearing their badges, according to witnesses. This entire thing smells "death squad" to me. Yet the people working for the department in charge of said squad, they demand YOU act respectfully.

Tomorrow, I'll call them up again, ask to be connected to someone who's literate or something. Today was sunday, so of course the people in charge of taking in requests not to get murdered weren't at home. Personally, I believe that if you fuck up as badly as the police department did, you don't get to complain about people not respecting your work hours, but that's just me.

TL;DR fuck the cops. No, seriously; fuck them.

The Red Terror (and other shenanigans)

Does /liberty/ think that communist atrocities have some unique quality, compared to other atrocities?

I know this is vague. I'm interested in what you can come up with. I haven't given much thought to this myself yet.

Anyone familiar with this guy? Stumbled over him in the thread about r/militantancaps. Never heard of him before, and now I'm curious.

How does this make you feel?

Rebellion

Under what circumstances would /liberty/ consider a violent insurrection against the state to be justified? How much must freedom be curtailed before shooting state officials is a proportionate response?

Icelandic Godord

https://mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-government

Thoughts on Icelandic Godord? It seems like there's still a government to me, but it's much smaller than what most monarchists minarchists propose government-wise.

3 parent embryos OK'd

Ethicists approve ‘3 parent’ embryos to stop diseases, but congressional ban remains

An elite panel of scientists and bioethicists offered guarded approval Wednesday of a novel form of genetic engineering that could prevent congenital diseases but would result in babies with genetic material from three parents.

The committee, which was convened last year at the request of the Food and Drug Administration, concluded that it is ethically permissible to “go forward, but with caution” with mitochondrial replacement techniques (MRT), said the chairman, Jeffrey Kahn, a bioethicist at Johns Hopkins ­University.

But the advisory panel’s conclusions have slammed into a congressional ban: The omnibus fiscal 2016 budget bill passed by Congress late last year contained language prohibiting the government from using any funds to handle applications for experiments that genetically alter human embryos.

Thus the green light from the scientists and ethicists won't translate anytime soon into clinical applications that could potentially help families that want healthy babies, said Shoukhrat Mitalipov, a pioneer of the new technique at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland, Ore.

“It seems like the FDA is disabled in this case by Congress," Mitalipov said. “At this point we’re still not clear how to proceed."

The FDA released a statement Wednesday saying it will carefully review the report from the advisory committee, but added that the congressional ban prohibits the agency from reviewing applications "in which a human embryo is intentionally created or modified to include a heritable genetic modification. As such, human subject research utilizing genetic modification of embryos for the prevention of transmission of mitochondrial disease cannot be performed in the United States in FY 2016."

MRT should be used rarely, with extreme care and with abundant government oversight, and it initially should be applied only to male embryos, the advisory panel said.

The report comes at a time of dazzling advances in genetic engineering and a commensurate struggle to understand the ethics of “playing God,” a phrase uttered twice Wednesday by committee member R. Alta Charo, a professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin.

Two months ago, scientists from around the globe gathered in the same building to hash out guidelines for the use of another revolutionary technique, known as CRISPR, which can be used to efficiently edit nuclear DNA genes. Earlier this week,

British officials approved publicly funded research that will use CRISPR to study the development of early-stage human embryos, but the embryos will not be implanted in women.

The FDA last year asked the Institute of Medicine, now part of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, to review the ethical implications of MRT because it would result in what has been loosely referred to as “three-parent babies.” British officials have already approved investigatory experiments involving the technique.

[One year ago, the UK voted yes on 'three-parent' babies]

Nuclear DNA is by far the more significant form of genetic material for determining most human characteristics. As the committee put it, “While mtDNA plays a central role in genetic ancestry, traits that are carried in nDNA are those that in the public understanding constitute the core of genetic relatedness in terms of physical and behavioral characteristics as well as most forms of disease.”

As a result, modifying mtDNA “is meaningfully different.”

But panel members said that they took the philosophical issues seriously, noting that someone with genetic material from two different maternal bloodlines would potentially have to wrestle with questions about identity, kinship and ancestry.

They also countenanced the possibility that people would want to use this new technique to create babies that are enhanced in some way intellectually or physically. They said that is not a major concern at the moment because the feasibility of such enhancements remains speculative.

RACE DOES NOT EXIST

" But ancestry based on genes does "

https://archive.is/5iII1

Intellectual Property

Can people own ideas? If they invest their labor in the production of the idea, wouldn't the same principle apply to ideas that applies to land? Certainly movie piracy is pointless and unambiguously bad, but I can't quite get my head around perpetual patents. Could someone collect royalties on every object sold that included a wheel in some form?

/pol/ has reached a new level of autism

>>>/pol/5284780

The board owner has stickied a personal army request. This is a new, unprecedented level of autism.

Why the hell do social darwinists have to be statists? There is nothing inherently statist about their idea, and pic related (from Might is Right) certainly doesn't endorse statism. As is always the case, a state can be easily subverted and start supporting elements true social darwinists would deem undesirable.

Also, supporting the whole "tribe" (i.e. nation) over ones own family hardly sounds like propagating your own genes to me. Sounds more like being collectively cucked for the sake of people who might be much, much less able than you.

Might start a thread like that on /pol/, too. Could be interesting.

Any good libertarian news/general culture sites? I've endured all the trumpstumping I can from breitbart, the comments section makes me embarassed to be a registered republican and it's impossible for me to unwind reading news articles when I know I'll wander into a fucking monkey cage at the zoo if I accidentally scroll down too far.

Why do people even care about online privacy?

In the UK people mostly say they don't care- if police say they need it fine; it's not that interesting anyway.

I mostly agree tbh

How do you shit?

ITT Literal Shitposting Thread

How do you shit, /liberty/? I think how someone shits says a lot about a person's political beliefs, much in the same way how you handle your chip bags does.

As a short explanation, my deductions suggest that…

1) People who shit close legged are likely progressives or faggots

2) People who shit wide-legged are likely slobs and hold very little interest in politics. They are likely degenerate and fap to strange fetishes, but they are relatively conservative when it comes to their daily lives.

3) People who shit leaning forward with feet about shoulder width apart tend to be worried about the manner of their shits but are heavily misguided. They are probably storm fags unless hey tense their stomach muscles during the process. This indicates that they are, in fact, lovers of Liberty.

4) People who shit with their legs raised to replicate a squatting position care heavily about their physical health, and likely just want a healthy community regardless of their political beliefs. That or they're Indians trying to adjust to the loo.

5) People who try to only shit innawoods are likely intellectuals and great philosophers who go unheard by the idiot masses.

How do you shit, /liberty/?

Transhumanism

There are a few approaches to transhumanism:

1. Brain uploading- do you really want your existence to be in the same world as all of these shitposts?

2. Cybernetic enhancement- do you really want the rest of your life to be punctuated by expensive, painful, and steadily more invasive surgery?

3. Bioengineering- do you really want to cripple your species by eliminating genetic diversity (making it less able to adapt to new challenges) and making it dependent upon a high level of technology to reproduce?

In conclusion: transhumanism a shit.

Shit libertarians say that you don't get.

"I think freedom of movement is essential for labor, but immigration is a bad thing!"

"Voting is a waste of time, but I'm going to regularly talk about the Presidential race!" (embed related)

"I think Snowden was a hero for releasing state documents, but Hillary was evil for doing so!"

"People can censor opinions on their property, but fuck the PC media!"

"Privacy is fundamental, but X should be transparent!"

"Freedom of speech is great, but the ACLU is full of untrustworthy commies!"

Communist Subversion

I know this is pretty /pol/ tier, but what does /liberty/ think of the claims of the KGB defectors Anatoly Golitsyn and Yuri Bezmenov? Golitsyn claimed in a 1984 book, New Lies for Old, that the USSR would fake its own dissolution, get the West off guard, and ultimately establish a worldwide communist state. Many of his predictions for the USSR have come true- he predicted that Gorbachev would come to power and implement reforms, for instance. Bezmenov claimed that the United States was in the middle of a subversion campaign, designed to destroy American virtue. There was a third defector who claimed that there were caches of portable nuclear weapons scattered throughout the American countryside.

I am somewhat concerned that both the left and the right could be Soviet fronts at this point; the left destroys countries culturally and economically, and the right reacts to this by voting away all of their freedoms and lionizing Putin, a former (and if this is right, current) KGB agent. Should I take my paranoid nonsense to the John Birch Society, or is there something to this?

NO MIDDLE GROUND

Prepare Yourself Accordingly!

"No Middle Ground"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih7fvxpVDAQ

>Sukant Chandan is just one of many speakers and so called 'Political Analysts' with a major dog in the fight over Europe's future. He and many like him who were born or brought to the UK and Europe want nothing more than the complete and total destruction of both Western Civilization and the concept of 'Whiteness' while seeking to empower themselves and other Non-White groups. While some may argue over what 'Whiteness' is, it does not matter. If you are European, you are White. When Bosnian immigrant Zemir Begic was beaten to death with hammers in St.Louis, USA, his black killers allegedly chanted "Kill the Whites". It didn't matter that Zemir was Bosnian, it didn't matter that he might have even been Muslim. He was White and he was the enemy. Much of the language among these growing networks and groups is the depiction of 'Whiteness' as the enemy. They may cover up their motives with poorly hidden self-victimizing language such as 'White Supremacy' but rest assured, if you're European, you're the enemy. If you oppose the mass third world migration which will engulf Europe then they will call you a bigot, a fascist and a racist Nazi. The consequences don't matter, even if you understand that this migration will erase culture, wipe out age old communities, massively increase rape and other violent crime while compressing wages, reduce housing and put unsustainable pressures on welfare institutions on the native budget. You are their enemy. The social deterioration caused by this migration which has been mounting since the 1960s is incalculable and this latest wave is the final push into an area of no return. The London riots were a direct result of the mass deprivation caused by a radical change in its ethnic make up. Such change forced over 600,000 (Equivalent to a city the size of Glasgow) whites to leave the city in under 10 years. What people like Chandan and the Establishment are doing is forcing a choice in which there is no room for neutrality. There is no place for watching from the sidelines as this will affect you no matter what you do.

>The choice is either the survival of Europe and its many unique ethnicities and cultures, or its complete destruction as these unique groups become minorities within their own ancient, native homelands. As Chandan says, the goal is to 'take back everything they took from us, and more on top."

>The choice is yours. There is "No Middle Ground." There is only Europa or Replacement. You decide.

Japan is deaaaad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_%28Japan%29

What are your explanations /liberty/ ?

Basically stagnate since 1990. There are people alive in Japan who have only known complete stagnation, no growth, no escape, no way out.

tgirls in libertarian society

what would happen to tgirls in the perfect libertarian society?

#TrumpRally: The Violent Nature Of The Left Exposed

VIDEO "#TrumpRally: The Violent Nature Of The Left Exposed"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh3Q6SqAYaM

On Friday 11 March, Far-Left extremist agitators attacked a Trump Rally in Chicago, Illinois. Among them were Black Lives Matters, Move.org and RevCom.us. All of which are openly Communistic in their foundations. Some even funded by the billionaire George Soros. This collective not only falsely portrays Donald Trump as a tyrant but also declares the very idea of 'Whiteness' as their global enemy. With their billionaire funding, Marxist agitators were able to flood the arena, planning to rush the stage when Trump made his speech but word quickly spread of the possible violence and the Trump team pulled the plug. When the cancellation was announced, the agitators immediately began tearing up Trump signs and grew increasingly hostile towards the Trump supporters within the building. Outside, Trump supporters were unable to leave the arena due to the exists being blocked. Freeways were hijacked and emergency services were attacked and prevented from doing their job. Stories quickly spread of groups of black youths asking people at transportation areas if they supported Trump, intimidating anyone who said they did. Communist flags, Mexican flags and Bernie signs were proudly displayed while American flags was stamped upon. The agitators battled with the police as they sought to spit, harass and scream at Trump supporters attempting to leave. The agitators justified their presence and hostility with out of context quotes taken from Trump while other Conservative candidates weakly defended the Marxist agitators, all for a swipe at their main competitor.

At another Trump Rally the next morning at Dayton, Ohio, Thomas Dimassimo attempted to rush the stage as Trump was speaking but was swiftly put down by secret service agents. Dimassimo, an ethnomasochist Marxist, denies any intentions of doing any physical harm to Trump yet said he wanted to take the mic from him which at least require some degree of force. He earlier replied to a tweet asking him if he would punch him and Tommy replied "We Gone See". Like most Marxist agitators that claim to speak for the working class, Tommy comes from a upper class background yet uses ebonic ghetto speak despite being a well educated actor. Both his parents are executives and his mother is a public official. He also supports Bernie Sanders.

The media has an open agenda against Trump and is trying to spin the scenario around and claim it his fault for the violence. But this is a blatant mistruth: violence is the lifeblood of Communism. Almost never able to win democratic elections, communists throughout history have achieved power through extreme violent insurrection and mass intimidation. This event was no different. This was an attack upon the democratic process, upon people who view the world differently and whose intentions were to intimidate normal everyday people who dared to vote Trump.

In reaction, a grassroots Trump Vanguard was setup to defend Trump supporters from future violence but the loose organization was quickly shut down as its creators was identified and had their family threatened. The notion of #RedCap defenders has not died, some are organizing but it is unlikely that the same tactics of the communist aggressors will work again any time soon.

Regardless, this will likely only be the first of many attempts by well funded upper class communists and their ethnic pets to harass and intimidate non conforming voters. The great divide is growing wider and sides will have to be chosen. There will be #NoMiddleGround.

As always,

Accept Reality,

Embrace Conflict,

Face Consequence.

muh freedoms

My American mother used to be able to:

- Walk onto an airplane without getting frisked.

- Be a conservative without being audited by the IRS or put on a Missouri DHS list.

- Not have kids reported for being 'anti-government.'

- Send mail without it getting spied on.

- Open up a foreign bank account without FBAR, FATCA, etc..

- Use large amounts of cash without being assumed a criminal.

- Be able to say non-PC stuff without being blockaded by college cry-bullies.

- Didn't have this SOPA bullshit.

Is it too much to ask for to have these fucking pretty basic freedoms back? Goddammit, thinking about this shit makes me depressed.

I really believe that left to their own devices individuals give too much of their money to charities at home instead of helping dying Africans who need it a lot more.

It's probably to do with how people evolved and the nature of empathy

But really are you willing individuals allocate charity when they don't allocate it where it ought to go? Don't we need some sort of world government, with a small welfare state, so people will include the whole planet in their definition of the tribe instead of just their nation?

Does anyone know have suggestions on how to spread libertarian ideas, besides shitposting on chinese cartoon forums? I'm considering printing out pamphlets, something like "The Law".

Who here cannot serve two masters?

tl;dr: explain me AnCom

I'm a libertarian but I have always agreed with AnCap ideas and in my opinion in the future free anarchistic societies will be the prevalent form of social organisation. But I have never understood left anarchists, I cannot see how you can stop someone from owning means of production without enforcement. I know that communes have existed in the past but they were always surrounded by capitalistic societies. So if the ultimate AnCom world existed, what would stop people from creating means of production, acquiring "wealth" through barter, voluntarily entering heirarchies and therefore becoming capitalist?

17 WOMEN REPRODUCED PER ONE MAN

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/17-to-1-reproductive-success

If women's innate biological tendency, to seek resources for eggs, is allowed to "play out" in a society, you get harems, and if you have a democracy a welfare-warfare state.

Okay, actually, forget this, I have a fun game for you guys:

Step 1: Name as many empires as you can that enforced chastity/monogamy/pair-bonding on women while it was building up/advancing

Spoiler: this will be 99.99% of empires that have ever existed

Step 2: Name as many empires as you can that had sexual liberation for women while they were building up/just at their peak

Spoiler alert: this will be ~0% of empires

Step 3: Look at the empires from (1) and figure out how many of them had much more sexual liberation for women during their decadent decline/collapse

Spoiler alert: this will be a lot of them

Step 4: Try and find, among any empires, one that was declining, had sexual liberation for women, and reversed this process

you will fail, no such empire exists

Step 5: Affirm or deny this statement: "Sexual liberation for women is both a sign of and a causal contributor to the downfall of empires"

Affirm the statement because it's correct

Step 6: Existential dread?

Russia

>Russia grants asylum to Snowden.

>Russia gives network time to Assange, akes one of the best goddam news shows I've ever seen.

>Russia is taking ISIS head-on.

Why the fuck is Russia so based lately?

What do you think about people who try to lean on shows to depict faggots or negroids better and things like that?

Personally I think they should just buy it or not buy it and that will find out what people really feel/demand instead of how they want to virtue signal or protest to make a silly political point.

This isn't really a question about libertarianism in politics but instead culture

Neocon Foreign Policy

Thesis 1 "The Ron Paul thesis"/Blowback 101:

"Muslims are here attacking us because we're attacking them."

Thesis 2 "The /pol/ philosophy"/Racialism 101:

"Muslims are here attacking us because they're uncivilized retards."

Which is correct?

>>>/politics/

Neutral board for discussing politics and news.

The socialists have songs

The fascists have songs

We don't have even one?

If you know one post it

Free Trade and Libertarianism

How's it going /liberty/?

I need help with a personal argument, so I can rectify my beliefs. I have settled many common critiques about Libertarianism (immigrants flooding in, welfare cessation, etc.), but there is one common argument on /pol/ that I can't seen to beat: movement of factories to foreign countries, due to free-trade libertarianism, is bad. I recognize that the situation in places like Illinois and Michigan is devastating, but I can't seem to figure out how libertarianism can fix the problem. People cannot all afford college, and we wouldn't want everyone to go to college anyway, as I think that would be an extreme measure. "Free College", a la Sanders, is an economic possibility, and it's incompatible with Libertarianism. How, then, can we hope to create jobs, if countries will just easily leave the country? It is in the best interest of a company to produce the cheapest good for the consumer, and free-trade does benefit the consumer greatly, but at the cost of countless jobs.

Are there any books you can suggest, or good arguments for this? I want to BTFO of /pol/, but they're starting to persuade me on Nat-Soc.

>be you

>live in Libertarian Island

>FeelsGoodMan.jpg

>suddenly there are war boats around in a ring

>it's Rand Paul

>'you guys have to give us a million dollar or we will bomb the shit out of you'

>oh fuck

>what do?

Sen.rand Paul to the rescue

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) plans to force senators to vote on the State Department’s approval of $700 million worth of fighter jets to Pakistan using an obscure Senate rule that hasn’t been invoked in decades.

>The Obama administration cleared the sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan last month. But Paul is invoking the obscure Arms Export Control Act of 1976 in a bid to shoot down the sale with a resolution of disapproval.

>"Over the last few years we have seen that Pakistan is an uncertain ally when it comes to cooperating with the United States,” Paul said in a statement. “As I travel in Kentucky, I meet countless individuals who are struggling to survive in this economy, we have no business sending hundreds of millions of dollars overseas."

>The last time the Senate voted on such a resolution, according to Paul’s aides, was in 1986, when then-Sen. Alan Cranston (D-Calif.) forced a roll call on banning sales of certain missiles and defense services to Saudi Arabia.

>Paul introduced the resolution that would block the sale of the F-16 aircraft to Pakistan on Feb. 25, two weeks after the administration announced it had approved the potential sale.

>The junior Kentucky senator is using a little-known provision in the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that allows any member of the Senate to secure a floor vote to disapprove an arms sale. Under the law, the senator must introduce a resolution of disapproval, and then wait 10 days for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to act on the measure, according to the Congressional Research Service.

>If the committee doesn’t take up the measure after 10 days, the senator can move to discharge that resolution from the committee with a floor vote. That vote is primarily procedural, and not necessarily an up-or-down vote on the resolution’s merits.

>One senior Republican said it was likely that Paul would get such a vote on the floor sometime before the next recess, which begins the week of March 21, in between other Senate business.

Free Market Degeneracy Solutions

The free market can also solve social problems!

>no more government subsidies for antiretrovirals (pic slightly related)

>people with a propensity for drug addiction will just die off and be removed from the gene pool

>no more bs rape cases, because of the honesty of non state courts

>no more artificially cheap loans for socjus studies

How else will removing the state end degeneracy?

Libertarian Purity Test

>This is the Libertarian Purity Test, which is intended to measure how libertarian you are. It isn't intended to be any sort of McCarthyite purging device – just a form of entertainment, hopefully thought-provoking. I like it a lot better than the more famous "World's Shortest Political Quiz" because I haven't stated the questions with any intent to give an upward bias to a test-taker's score, and because it gives a clearer breakdown between hard and soft-core libertarians. Enjoy, suggest your friends try it out, and see how you compare to other test-takers…

http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi

I scored 155; the NAP allows you to respond with proportionate force, but you can't just go around shooting state officials.

Libertarian Feels

>Tfw you have to pay 20 € every month in public broadcasting fees

>Tfw you call the public broadcasting service

>Tfw the lady at the telephone tells you to stop complaining because she has to pay her fees, too

What is it with this logic?

Christian Anarchism General

Is it just me and that one other guy who are Christian Anarchists? Anyone else?

Facebook pages

https://www.facebook.com/Christianarchism/

https://www.facebook.com/AnarchoChristians/

https://www.facebook.com/christianarchy1/

Blogs

http://christianarchism.com/

http://anarchristian.blogspot.com.au/

Christian Market Anarchism group (you have to message an admin to join)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/christianancap/

Is there any tale sadder than that of this great patriot?

Anargo Gapitalism :DD

Molyenux has said that "virtue can not exist without voluntaryism," and this is intuitively resonant even if it can lead to some absurd collusions. If a bank robber charges into a bank with a gun and starts shooting at the security guards, we would not call the security guard a murderer if he either made a narrow miss and shot a civilian instead of the robber, or if when he himself had been shot accidentally pulled the trigger as he was dying/falling and the round hit some bank teller in the head. Similarly, we can say that honesty is a virtue, but in a situation lacking voluntaryism- like a Nazi demanding to know the location of a dissident- "no virtue can exist."

Now, we can use this reasoning to justify voting for "the better slave master" who will minimize NAP violations, if we have the option of doing so.

Another example would be if there is a train headed for either 3 individuals tied to the track who are all highly intelligent, productive, support large families, favor liberty in all realms, or 14 individuals who are low-IQ, have extensive violent (but not lethal) criminal records, do not support anyone, etc. you can't really say one option or the other is virtue but I'd certainly rather run over 14 stupid assholes in lieu 3 kind geniuses. Frankly, I'm not sure I'd go out of my way to save those 14 assholes if the other track is empty- obviously I'm not endorsing intentional murder, but I am generally not in favor of lifting a finger to help 14 people who are violent parasites, human predators that almost certainly have an incurable dearth of empathy (withdrawal of empathy to a perceived enemy is distinct from sociopathy, sociopaths can not empathize with anyone.)

Anyways, take immigration as another example, in a free society there would be no public land where private individuals would be forced to associate with disliked groups, currently it is illegal for a group of white people to move to some area, build a community, and keep it exclusively white- they can try to keep home prices high and demand a clean criminal record to live there, which indirectly mostly fulfills that goal, but if it's found they refuse to sell to blacks their property rights are essentially forfeit, we can form communities on the basis of religious doctrine, nor would it be likely that our right to form a community based on a political ideology would be respected by the Federal government; our ability to keep those we deem undesirable within our communities has been destroyed, we might try to socially ostracize them (impossible given the widespread endorsement of cuckoldry by the unwashed masses) and it's illegal to effectively economically ostracize some group on the basis of their IQ/ideas/religion/etc. Furthermore, libertarians are also forced to support ideologically opposed, low-IQ groups that hate liberty and love big government violating the NAP on their behalf, so if you keep a "wide lens" and look at the issue of education, the welfare state, and the border, you can justify borders with the one-two punch of low-IQ groups not appreciating liberty or understanding history/economics, such groups likely being somewhat permanently lower IQ (see Rushton) and such groups ensuring the government will violate the NAP even more in future. Now, not only can I justify the borders as a "NAP-violation minimizer" but I can also justify voting for a candidate (Trump) who wants to protect the borders and is generally more NAP-friendly than his likely opponent (cough Hillary.)

….

Scientism

https://theweek.com/articles/447197/why-neil-degrasse-tyson-philistine

I got this from: >>>/lit/8884

Am I the only person who thinks there is an organized effort to turn natural and social sciences into the only valid methods of acquiring knowledge, in the public eye? I don't think it has to be a conspiracy, but could be, for all I know.

US Libertarian Party

With the two parties in a bitter war of attrition with outsider candidates, third parties are being given a golden opportunity to rise as people become disillusioned with the transparent power grabs and corruption in the DNC and GOP. I figured now's a good time to talk about the Libertarian Party.

The embed is a party debate among the top five candidates. It looks like it will become a dead heat between Gary Johnson and John McAfee, although the other three on the panel present interesting platforms. Who do you like, and who do you think will win the nomination?

In addition, there will be a LP debate on television on Fox Business on April 1 (unless they're being cheeky cunts and it's an April Fool's Day prank). If they get a lot of viewership, do you think we'll see them more often in future months or election cycles?

http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/good-news-libertarian-debate-on-tv-moderated-by-stossel

Book Thread - What's /liberty/ reading these days?

I just picked up a copy of Daniel Hannan's ''Inventing Freedom: How the English-Speaking Peoples Invented the Modern World." Hannan argues that the Anglosphere and the people living in it - note, not the English as a people but people who spoke English - created our modern ideas of democracy and government, and have been the most stringent with its application. Pretty interesting stuff so far.

What's on the bookshelf for /liberty/ these days? Book discussion/recommendation general thread.

Can the free market supply adequate border control?

How would it work in cities? Would they be divided into different sections like the Warsaw ghetto and shit?

I think it would work if we were ancap from the start but I don't know how we would get there

honk

i made flag awhile ago, board owner

add pls

So I was at Barnes and Noble today but their selection was pathetic. I went in there fully intending to get a few biographies, one of Thomas Jefferson for starters but all they had was bullshit like "The Secret Emotions of Thomas Jefferson" about his relationship with that slavegirl of his and other shit I couldn't give a flying fuck about. The only mildly interesting thing there was a recent release about TJ's little known war with the muslim pirate nations but that was far too expensive for what it was even twenty percent off, double spaced and large type and the book was fucking short.

Anyway you're all smart chaps so I'd like to ask you all what the best biographies of Henry Ford, Howard Hughes and Thomas Jefferson are.

How exactly do property rights do not violate the NAP?

You understand that they are incompatible right?

Abortion

Is abortion a violation of the NAP? Is restricting abortion just statism? I lean towards evictionism (https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/evictionism-the-only-true-libertarian-position-on-abortion/) myself, but I'm interested in hearing other anarchist perspectives on the matter.

Pic related.

Share flags

Apparently pointing out the obvious about the American president's inability to override Congress and half a million unelected bureaucrats resulted in a seven day ban on /pol/. I found this board after searching for an alternative.

Either way, I'm glad to have found this place and will contribute where I can.

>Yfw physically separating socialists and democrats from the social order

Will Libertarians make child prostitution legal?

I'm libertarian but...

Let's discuss some gripes we have about the general libertarian thinking.

- Circumcision should be outright banned. Not even allowed for religious people, people can do it themselves at 18.

- Some form gun control is a necessity. Kinda like in the Czech Republic where you have to take course and get a licence to own firearms, then you can carry and own whatever you want.

- We should support foreign revolts against dictatorships and communists regimes. Total isolationism is wrong; if someone across the street is being robbed and about to be assassinated, it is completely justifiable to intervene.

With all this hubbub around gun control and Hillary Clinton talking about how Australian style gun confiscation is a good idea and could work over here, does anyone worry about the NRA member list being used like the rough draft of a national gun registry and just alerting the government for who's doors to kick in? I've been wanting to join but the more I think about it the more it seems like painting a target on my back.

I already know most militia groups have an enormous amount of federal agents in them. I keep thinking the only way to stay safe is to be a 'lone wolf' but I hate even using that word because it makes me sound like a fucking domestic terrorist and I'm sure just using it made this thread pop on some alphabet agency watchlist.

Civil Liberties around the world

I've been more and more interested recently in civil liberties. The really fundamental civil liberties. Like speech, petitions, assembly, religion, no surveillance, no indefinite detention, no torture, no asset forfeiture, etc.. Not what happens every time I think "Oh hey, this is an interesting civil liberties organization," and instead of having their spotlight on some random Middle East country and how some guy got hanged for speaking out against the King, it's about how someone in the southern U.S. said something sexist once or refused to sell a gay guy a cake. That sort of shit really pisses me off. Tl;dr, suggest some other than (because I know of them already) the EFF, maybe ACLU, FIRE, or FLEX. I'd be especially interested in hearing about non-U.S. organizations.

Anyways, because of this, I've been comparing the U.S.' first amendment to other bills of rights and constitutions recently, and it surprises me how strong the U.S. first amendment really is compared internationally:

>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Just so I can speak my mind and address a few points, let me use France's constitutional equivalent as a jumping off point:

>The free communication of thoughts and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man: any citizen thus may speak, write, print freely, save [if it is necessary] to respond to the abuse of this liberty, in the cases determined by the law.

First of all, France, like many other countries, has the usual placards. It sounds more like a nice thing to say at a speech rather than anything actionable, "The free communication of thoughts and of opinions is one of the most precious rights of man," is just some nice verbage, nothing that looks like it actually guarantees that right in French laws. Second, it gets rendered completely useless by the ending, "save…in the cases determined by the law." So, basically, "Lol, had you going for a second there, actually, we'll just make whatevs laws we want." And then France goes and makes the Gayssot Act as well as punishing Charlie Hebdo (this was before it Hebdo could be used as a political tool for the French state). Wonderful.

Meanwhile, the U.S. amendment has a very clear and actionable point, "Congress shall make no law." Yes, I know justices take leeway with it, but I would argue that the clarity in the long run has made a difference compared with other legal systems. Also, notice that when it says, "abridging the freedom of speech," it doesn't quibble about it like other constitutions do. It isn't like the U.N. human rights organization, which has let go of arguing for basic goddam free speech in places like North Korea for going after 'hate speech.'

Finally, the U.S. constitution essentially says, "Freedom of speech FIRST, then the law must conform to it." While the French constitution has it completely ass backwards.

India has this whole shitfest (pun intended) about "Oh, but it can't be this kind of speech," and then proceeds to label all the forms of speech that free speech is exactly needed for! "The integrity of India," for example. If you can't use free speech to criticize the government, then how can you call yourself a fucking democracy?!

The European Convention on Civil Rights also takes the Indian approach of saying, "Yeah, sure, free speech, except for everything we disagree with!"

I cherrypicked something I thought that, comparatively speaking, the U.S. was relatively O.K. on just to have a good ready-at-hand example. If I chose privacy rights and the whole surveillance issue, I would probably be reversing things quite a bit and lamenting the loss of the fourth amendment.

Speaking of the surveillance thing, I've found it incredibly depressing how that issue is fading away now. Snowden had something like a 20% difference in opinion about surveillance that he directly caused and then a couple years later they do the same poll and it's right back where it was. Meanwhile, does anyone remember Rand Paul's filibuster to stop the Patriot Act for a few glorious days of actual goddam freedom before the fucking "Freedom Act?" Fucking bullshit.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, are there any civil liberties organizations I can follow who look at news like this who are concerned with actual fundamental goddam civil liberties, but don't get distracted by all the fucking bullshit identity politics (especially the ones who outright contradict their cause doing so)?

converting to libertarianism/ancap

i hear a lot of people who have gone from libertarianism/ancap to fascism and alt right but are there any people who have gone the other way round in their political thinking?

What does /liberty/ think of debtor's prisons? Would they exist in your ideal society?

MILO STILL CAN'T AFFORD TO GO TO COLLEGE

>Leftists will defend this

Tactics

There are three main schools of thought on how to bring about a stateless (specifically anarcho-capitalist, but this also applies to other forms of anarchism) society that I am aware of.

1) Violent overthrow of the state: this is morally justifiable since the state has already committed agressive actions against the persons and property of its subjects. I'm a bit too squeamish for this.

2) Death by a thousand cuts: elect libertarians, dismantle the government piece by piece within the existing democratic framework, finally doing away with it all together in a few decades.

3) Undermining by routing around it: stop using government services, stop voting, stop paying taxes, and participate in a growing black market using barter/gold/a privately issued commodity backed currency.

Are there any I left out? What are your thoughts on which is most effective?

Sticky Political Chart

The political chart in the sticky (pic related) is horribly flawed. Progressivism is right wing? National Socialism and Fascism are distinct and so far removed? Fascism is free market? "Statism" is a distinct ideology? "Anarcho-collectivism" is a distinct ideology?

Could we please get a new chart in the sticky?

Redpill Entertainment

Giving this thread another try, now that the last one has been purged. I know, the word "redpill" has certain associations, but I don't see why we should let the stormfucks appropriate it.

Book of /liberty/

Hi /liberty/. I had an idea lately. What about we make our own collection of essays? The idea is that everyone who gets dubs can decide what essay of at least 30 pages makes it into the book, and once we have collected enough to get at least 250 pages or so, we compile them into one pdf-document and spam it on all the other boards.

The essays can be about anything. Capitalism, socialism, gender-studies, why gender-studies are bullshit, economics… you get the idea. At the end, we will have a book with a lot of differing opinions and theories in it, something we can all learn from.

What do you think?

What is the libertarian solution to climate change?

hardmode: no denial

ALERT! Obamacare = Gun Confiscation! Privacy Rights Also At Risk!

The issue is not about the quality of healthcare, or the access for everyone. The issue at hand is getting everyone into the system, and collecting data enough to “label” individuals with rather – ahem, disarming – disorders that can and will cancel your right to own a gun, and may even force you into drug treatment and mandatory “therapy.”

More and more, the terms that are used will define a person’s access to constitutional rights – police calls will include information about mental health states, particularly if there is a history of violence or mental disorders. PTSD will be used to take guns from the very veterans who fought for our freedoms, at the very time when they need help not demotion in society. Telling your doctor how you really feel is a sure path to possibly being categorized and disenfranchised.

Is this what the founding fathers had in mind when they stood up for the rights of the people to defend against tyranny? Absolutely not… but it is exactly what we stand to get under Obamacare.

http://archive.is/6Y9J7

Since 2002, the government has been intent on testing millions for mental illness. This obsession even extends to our veterans as they return from combat and leave the service. The veterans are increasingly being diagnosed as having PTSD and they are subsequently being adjudicated to not being eligible to own a firearm.

These practices are reminiscent of how the Soviets used to imprison political enemies. The Soviets simply said if anyone disagree with the government, they must have “political schizophrenia” and required to have treatment in a mental healthcare facility.

Therapists are drawing upon a very new frontier in order to force people into treatment as psychiatrists invent new “illnesses” such as “Oppositional Defiant Disorder.” The ultimate goal is the mass medicating of the American people. And with a judgment of mental illness, this is Obama’s latest strategy of gun confiscation.

http://archive.is/Pmgha

Your ObamaCare plan will be forced to pay for it, whether you want it or not, thanks to the federal government’s commandeering of the health-insurance industry under the so-called Affordable Care Act. And eventually, younger and younger children will be in Big Brother’s crosshairs for mental and behavioral health “services,” whether parents want it or not.

The latest demands come from the United States Preventive Services Task Force, or USPSTF. In gestapo outfit, appointed by the Obama regime's increasingly radical Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), recommends various unconstitutional federal 'health' policies for fascist dictatorships to decree into pseudo-law via regulation.

http://archive.is/JftMk

Mandatory depression screening will not just raise insurance costs. In order to ensure that the screening mandate is being properly implemented, the government will need to create a database containing the results of the screenings. Those anti-gun politicians who want to forbid anyone labeled “mentally ill” from owning a firearm will no doubt want to use this database as a tool to deprive individuals of their Second Amendment rights.

Mandatory depression screening will endanger people’s health by increasing the use of psychotropic drugs. These drugs often have dangerous side effects. Their use has even been linked to suicide. The fact that almost every mass shooter was on psychotropic drugs is another good reason to oppose any policy that will increase reliance on these medicines.

http://archive.is/36bxP

Make no mistake about it, the Government panel’s recommendation, if it finds its way somehow through Congress, is an underhanded way for the Government to implement gun control. In addition, there’s no doubt that one of the big drug or hospital corporations has devised some sort of “depression screening” protocol which generates very high margin profits.

https://archive.is/B1MeQ

Once freedom-minded Americans learn about this, how many do you think will trust their doctors not to "out" them to federal law enforcement? How many legitimately mentally ill people who own guns will go seek treatment?

https://archive.is/EQfZ4

The White House released a fact-sheet Jan. 4 which previews the executive gun control Obama will unveil Tuesday and one aspect of the new controls is the inclusion of “information from the Social Security Administration in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm.”

On July 18 Breitbart News reported on Obama’s push to ban gun-possession for Social Security beneficiaries who are believed incapable of handling their own finances.

https://archive.is/Y3ZdU

An aggressive anti-gun campaign that already has named veterans and recipients of Social Security benefits as targets apparently is being expanded to include foster parents.

And it’s already drawn a lawsuit.

https://archive.is/JSLRN

Daily reminder you all deserve to die

Wizardchan is a hugbox

https://wizchan.org/meta/res/20589.html

Quotes:

>get the fuck out. Lock this thread mods.

>this place is not a democracy, it's more akin to a kingdom. The ideas of some group of shitheads don't matter in here,

>human minds are not rational and will never be, nor is that desirable in all the cases.

>It doesn't interest us correctness, it interests us the wizard canon. We're a cult, not a philosophy club. Get out if you don't like it.

>we are a cult

pic related

Assuming the existence of moral truth and assuming that intelligent individuals have a greater than zero chance of rationally discovering these truths, why should an individual actually adhere to the standards of "good" or "evil" assuming they could violate these standards without being caught?

>inb4 nihilist

not quite, just curious if anyone has a good justification cuz I don't

Hard mode: no gods :)

Imagine you live in a socialist country. Try and refute this.

Libertarians and other small govt minded folks of /liberty/, why you are not anarcho-capitalists?

The next time you have an argument about gun control and people point to the fabulously low gun crime/violent crime of Europe, ask them to compare the US to societies that are as equally to diverse. Multiculturalism decreases societal trust, civic engagement, etc.

Not that I'm trying to commit thought crime be racist. I'd like to believe that Thomas Sowell is correct in saying that the differences between over-achieving (East Asian, Jewish) and under-achieving (Hispanic, Black) minorities is culture. Although, Charles Murray has made an interesting case that there is a correlation between race and IQ. I'm not a geneticist, so thankfully I can just say "I don't know" (which is true) if I'm accused of politically incorrect thought crime.

Some retard said that refugees are like totally peaceful, man on /b/ so I put this together. But diversity is still our strength, right /liberty/?

-Syria's average IQ is 83

https://iq-research.org/en/page/average-iq-by-country/sy-syria

-Muslims are inbred

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/07/18/half-of-worlds-muslims-are-inbred-due-to-generations-of-incest/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/8544359/Hay-Festival-2011-Professor-risks-political-storm-over-Muslim-inbreeding.html

-Inbreeding negatively affects IQ and causes genetic disorders

http://www.pnas.org/content/75/8/3906

-One in every two Pakistani couples in Britain are first cousin marraiges

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/health-why-cousins-can-be-just-too-close-the-pakistani-practice-of-marrying-relations-may-be-causing-1483250.html

"Dr Bundey found that 15 to 16 in every 1,000 infants of Pakistani origin suffered lethal malformations - more than double the expected rate"

-Low IQ individuals are more likely to commit crime and engage in anti-social behavior

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1365/Intelligence-Crime-Explaining-IQ-crime-correlation.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201006/why-criminals-are-less-intelligent-non-criminals

http://www.crimetimes.org/96b/w96bp5.htm

http://law.jrank.org/pages/1363/Intelligence-Crime-Measuring-size-IQ-crime-correlation.html

-Muslims form their own "microstates" within Western societies that do not assimilate. This is similar to how Jews rarely assimilate, but Jews are not low-IQ delinquents with no understanding of history, economics, or philosophy.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1504

-Immigrants who leave low-IQ countries of their own volition are generally higher IQ than their less ambitious peers; this is why Muslims in Europe in 1960 did not have particularly high crime rates. This is why accepting a few Iranians isn't a problem, but accepting a bunch of Iranians who are fleeing "war" and seeking the most welfare possible is a problem; you're getting the lowest-IQ "left overs" who only left their medieval soceities after their fellow low-IQ peers blew them up.

-Higher IQ allows people to earn higher incomes. IQ is a strong predictor of income.

http://www.tino.us/2011/04/david-brooks-and-malcolm-gladwell-wrong-about-i-q-income-and-wealth/

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20040302_book443.pdf

-These "refugees" (economic migrants) are low-IQ due to inbreeding and thousands of years of Muslim cultures selecting for brutality, religiosity (generally lower IQ individuals are more religious), and conformity. They will not be able to earn high incomes, and will be told by SJWs to blame white racism for their economic stagnation, instead of their own lack of ability.

-Immigrants are far more dependent on welfare than natives, especially low-IQ immigrants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1J6EEhkyM

-2006: Young male immigrants "three times more likely" to commit crimes than German peers.

http://www.dw.com/en/identifying-the-roots-of-immigrant-crime/a-1953916

Immigrants still have higher crime rates in the second and third generation

http://www.rsf.uni-greifswald.de/fileadmin/mediapool/lehrstuehle/harrendorf/Germany_youngMig.pdf

-FBI admits it can not remotely guarantee that the vetting process is sufficient for ONLY TEN THOUSAND "refugees" (economic migrants). Will Europe be able to vet millions? Obviously not. The San Bernardino County shooters, two Muslim immigrants, were "vetted", how'd that work out?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/21/fbi-director-admits-us-cant-vet-all-syrian-refugees-for-terror-ties-video/

-ISIS planning to use refugee crisis to sneak operatives into European countries

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/isis-smuggler-we-will-use-refugee-crisis-to-infiltrate-west/

-Refugees causing a crime wave in Germany, which is being hidden from the public due to the maximum-over cucked agenda of Angela Cuckel

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

-Pakistani Muslims were allowed to rape over a thousand white British children so as not to "rock the multicultural boat"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerscruton/2014/08/30/why-did-british-police-ignore-pakistani-gangs-raping-rotherham-children-political-correctness/#476d53715a7c

Bernie Sanders

Ok I'm new to /liberty/ but I was wondering if you're mostly libertarians what your opinions on Bernie Sanders is.

What if one of our Western governments were to privatise itself? Everyone would be allowed to become free of that government and would be able to set up their own government.

If you opted out of the government you would no longer be taxed or policed by it, but you would have to relinquish any of your dependencies on it.

Free speech thread.

>FIRE is in the sticky

>No one has said a single goddam thing about free speech.

Time to change this by asking for opinions on some of the standard "lifeboat scenarios"/"trolley problems" of free speech:

- What do you think of the old "Crying FIRE in a crowded theater" example? (the attached)

- What do you think about the speech zones etc. on college campuses nowadays?

- What do you think spam has to do with free speech if anything at all?

- What do you think about libel/slander laws?

- Hate speech?

- Should someone be prosecuted for "inciting a riot?"

- Is there an inherent dichotomy between privacy and free speech?

Would unions exist in ancapistan?

Why do the fascists over at /pol/ think we have some kind of alliance?

They're authoritarian fuckwads

Immigration

So where do you guys stand on immigration.

Here's my view. In a free society (without a giant state with massive social spending and invasive bullshit arbitrary laws) "immigration" is called moving. If people are willing to let you onto their private property, you can move there, and it solves all the problems public property present (so many fucking problems that can only be solved arbitrarily.)

But we don't live in a free society. We live in a statist society where the poor are, by definition, parasites: "a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others."

In principle, I do not support the entrance of anyone who is willing to use the state as a third party to commit an act of aggression against me (taxation for whatever stupid bullshit like the Iraq War, drug war, public school, or money for da programs.) If we knew someone was going to come over and commit acts of aggression directly, like murder, everyone would agree that would be unacceptable, don't let them in. Yet, if this act of aggression is committed through a third party, the mafia, it's still evil. But, if that third party is the government, somehow acts of aggression are okay, it's as if the evil has been laundered through the almighty moral standard of statehood.

In practice, I am willing to accept the entrance of a specific group (religious, ethnic, national) if they are "above average" in terms of respect for private property rights/liberty. This would exclude French people (fucking socialist cunts who want to take away my right to defend myself), Muslims (need I say more), Mexicans (80% of first generations support "bigger government" can I get a fuck that with a side of dear fucking god no), most European nations actually (see France), etc.

The problem of statism is bad enough already without importing dozens of millions of parasites with no principles beyond brazen self-interest in exploiting the system for personal gain- welfare is super awesome morally because it benefits them, unless they win the lottery in which case wealth redistribution is evil… because brazen self-interest! Same thing with college students growing up and suddenly no longer supporting socialist bullshit, they have no principles except for self-interest, and I find the fact that they flip-flopped, the complete lack of moral principles, more revolting than the individual positions on wealth redistribution in and of themselves.

In a statist system, I think the interesting question is would we allow people who want to use the government to commit acts of aggression if there's no welfare state. Obviously I'm not going to endorse the entrance of millions of people who want to exist as parasites on any tax dollars I pay, but if we lived in a Jeffersonian Republic, would third worlders who want welfare and a bigger government still be a no-no?

I would say the only situation wherein I would accept the entrance of millions of people with little to no principled respect for property rights is if the government's actions were functionally independent of the desire for muh programs. A Jeffersonian Republic that imports 150 million Mexicans will soon, in practice, become Mexico 2.0. If it was a small government monarchy I would say I wouldn't give a fuck who comes in because they can't directly affect the amount of hammering the state does against my property rights.

/liberty/, why don't you want this to happen?

Can't you see that the NAP gets in the way of a glorious future without communism or fascism?

Unused capital without a state

Now I don't define private property as unused capital. Without a government, I've never heard a coherent explanation of why I couldn't pay my neighbor by the hour to do chores for me. Or why I couldn't hire 10 more neighbors to work in my house. So I see no reason to think some magical commie system will spontaneously occur without government.

But in an ancap system, what would occur to utterly unused land and capital? Take for example, a person owns vast stretches of land. And on a part of this land, a group builds a house and starts farming the land. How would they be evicted without violating the NAP? If the mans right to own the land is based on a contract, what is guaranteeing that contract without a government?

It seems to me that really only a privately owned police force is capable of enforcing ownership of unclaimed land. If the private police force starts stealing on behalf of their employer, then other folks create a private police force and it ends up being the war of whoever can afford a larger police force owning the most.

So how does ownership of unused capital work in the absence of a government? Is private property without a government merely whoever can enforce through violence the ownership of capital or is there something else to it?

Chinese Data

Hey /liberty/,

Chinese Economic Data Suspicion thread.

I was looking through Chinese trade data to do the following experiment:

A-Take exports of China

B-Go to each country's imports, check their imports from China

Due to entrepot trading, what China says it exports to A may not be what A says it imports from China, however, the totals should add up. And they do, except:

- There is a large number of Hong Kong exports for which I do not know where they are going.

- China stands alone in World Bank data in…having $160 billion in imports from…itself.

- Chinese<->Hong Kong trade looks really fucking suspicious.

Play around with it yourself:

http://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/CHN

I'm betting there's some weird way this stuff is calculated to account for this, though.

How long before we use electronic money exclusively? This would guarantee privacy invansion for every single person on earth and also a superior threat, for the government could generate "cash" without opposition while you could get yours taken away because of your views, or actions.

I guess the better question is : How long do you think such a society could sustain itself?

Using the "Fun Allowed"™™ clause, I ask you not to ban me for this post.

Would flying a plane into the twin towers of imperialism violate the NAP? Because you're not being aggressive; you're just responding to American aggression.

Because if that does violate the NAP, then if I rape your mother, you can't hit me back.

FUN ALLOWED™®

Would violate

> Sec. 123. IF man in the state of nature be so free, as has been said; if he be absolute lord of his own person and possessions, equal to the greatest, and subject to no body, why will he part with his freedom? why will he give up this empire, and subject himself to the dominion and controul of any other power? To which it is obvious to answer, that though in the state of nature he hath such a right, yet the enjoyment of it is very uncertain, and constantly exposed to the invasion of others: for all being kings as much as he, every man his equal, and the greater part no strict observers of equity and justice, the enjoyment of the property he has in this state is very unsafe, very unsecure. This makes him willing to quit a condition, which, however free, is full of fears and continual dangers: and it is not without reason, that he seeks out, and is willing to join in society with others, who are already united, or have a mind to unite, for the mutual preservation of their lives, liberties and estates, which I call by the general name, property.

> Sec. 124. The great and chief end, therefore, of men's uniting into commonwealths, and putting themselves under government, is the preservation of their property. To which in the state of nature there are many things wanting.

(John Locke, Second Treatise of Civil Government: Of the Ends of Political Society and Government.)

http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr09.htm

Whit say ye anarchistes?

/pol/ board bump thread

You've come to the right thread

Why did /pol/ abandon liberty? Go look at their catalog, it's nothing but Trump shills

physical removal

i made a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP9yV9ISnBk&feature=youtu.be

Jan Helfeld (statist faggot) just replied to my comment on youtube

First off

Jan Helfeld > Bernie Sanders

But also

Jan Helfeld > David Friedman

David Friedman > Milton Friedman

Milton Friedman > Pinochet

Pinochet > Margaret Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher >Ronald Reagan and the fucking Cold War and shit

Margaret Thatcher > Tony Blair

Tony Blair > George Bush and the fucking Iraq war m8

/liberty/ btfo

National Sоcialism, Fаscists and Stormwеenies

>>>/pol/4139340

> go on /pol/ and play the collectivist anti-semite, the 'europa' nationalist, the mosleyite: play up anti-capitalism, argue in memes and accusations, then slander the existing right in all its incarnations for not subscribing to a vague extreme orthodoxy

> come to /liberty/ and play the misunderstood libertarian who just wants to share: focus on labels and personalities and don't forget to slander "/pol/"'s antics at every opportunity

> go to /leftypol/ and slander them both

Bravo, just bravo. Who do I credit though? These lads maybe?

https://archive.is/fb21b

https://archive.is/JQRgR

https://archive.is/GUsze

>reading Breitbart article on that ISIS attack some time ago in France

>general sentiment in the article and comments is FUCK THE MUZZIES FREEDOM OF SPEECH BITCH

>agree wholeheartedly

>read another article on the pope

>in the comments section, someone posts a comic with a joke about jews

>is downvoted

>reply saying "flagged, we don't need antisemitism here"

>mfw

I know Breitbart is stupidly pro-Israel, but jesus would a bit of ideological consistency be too much to ask? Why is it that almost no one who says they're for freedom of speech wants to make an exception for their own personal sacred cows? If you're not freedom of speech, at least be honest about it.

Why do these retards think they're any better than the lefties they despise?

Bernie vs. Trump

Who do you consider more libertarian and why? If it came down to it, who would you vote for?

Prisons

I'm reading a book on prisons right now, and it reminded me of the fact that I find this whole prison-system pretty damn horrible. Yet, it's used so liberally. It's like no one in this world remembers that being locked up for even a few months is a very shitty thing to do to a fellow human being. Some of our fellow human beings are really going out of their way to deserve it, but then there's the people who get put into investigative or coercive custody. That hardly seems just to me. Those probably aren't prisons in the legal sense, but you know what I mean so fuck it.

What also doesn't seem just to me is that how shitty your time in prison is depends on a lot of factors, and the severity of the crime you have committed is just one of them and often not the most important one. Six months in ADX Florence might be a lot worse than three years in a minimum-security prison, yet everyone just looks at the numbers in the sentence and not the conditions of the facility. What I find even stranger in this regard is that no one questions the validity of SHU for corrective purposes. If you disobey a guard, your punishment may de facto be a lot harsher than that for many crimes in the outside world.

Prisons of some sort have always existed, to the best of my knowledge, but them being regarded as the only fair and humane punishment (aside from fines) is a new phenomenon, so I think I might be on to something. Public shaming and corporal punishment used to be widely accepted alternatives, and some societies did fine with just demanding a wergeld if someone was unjustly killed. My point isn't that we should bring this back, it's that we should realize that the liberal use of imprisonment is an expression of our particular zeitgeist and that it doesn't get nearly the scrutiny it deserves.

Let's say I live in the wilderness.

In the night I wake up to find that someone has eaten my favourite grapefruit, and is now running away.

How much is it ethical to punish him?

>asking for a friend

How can /leftypol/ take Zizek seriously? Are they stupid?

Usually I'm for freedom but I'm sorry but I don't believe in religious freedom. The level of irrationality that religion fosters should not be tolerated for a society to call itself sane. Whoever cannot back up their beliefs with evidence and is unable to have themselves reasoned out of the position they didn't reason themselves into should be exiled out in the ocean on a dingy. Let alone allow religious institution to litter the minds of people. Religion has a detrimental effect such as impeding scientific progress (stem cell research bans, etc) and induces horrible behaviors just because some imaginary skywizard said so (Charlie Hebdo, etc) just to name a couple of societal problems that arise with allowing religion to exist. I'd gladly go through a short period of religious cleansing where my freedoms are restricted temporarily to solve this age old problem.

Does /liberty/ have a moe form? Is such a thing even needed?

/liberty/ BTFO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

How is the state responsable of this?

How would the free market fix this?

How is suing VW going to fix the environmental damage?

How does it feel knowing that a collective organization of VW as a company would have stopped this?

keep in mind VW is not the company who did this

Any Objectivists here?

You seem like nice people. People with whom I can actually talk.

All bullshit aside:

Is there a country for people like us?

Thoughts about Comrade Pope of the People's Church of Catholicism?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/13/supreme-court-justice-antonin-scalia-dies-at-west-texas-ranch/

Had your fill of national catastrophe today or would you prefer some more? Load up on guns.

Syndicalism under Anarcho-Capitalism

How could union power function under Anarcho-Capitalism?

Could unions free themselves from antiproperty ideology, and organize to pool resources, buy shares in businesses, and then try to run those businesses in ways where profits are put back into worker benefits?

A number of these unions could then follow syndicalist ideology and group together in a voluntary worldwide confederation/s of union co-ops to control financial resources and use them to take advantage of scale to provide welfare for their members within the bounds of profit margins.

Did you know that half of Russia's tax revenues come from coal and oil?

Isn't that better than just oil barons getting rich?

Racial IQ Differences

Why do people feel justified in making sweeping claims on unproven hypotheses? Like the hypothesis that racial IQ differences are environmental, or genetic; either way, the theory is unproven, so how the fuck do people claim to be rational (at least implicitly) and then refuse to acknowledge that their very confident claims could easily be wrong since they're based on an empirical matter which is, as of yet, not obviously proven one way or the other?

It's pretty annoying. I don't care if you favor one theory over the other, I do care if you refuse to acknowledge the possibility that the theory you prefer is incorrect and the competing one is correct.

France is Bacon is rolling in his grave.

Is non-violent collectivism natural?

Would collectivization still occur in a voluntary society?

What would you call an institution that has governing functions and responsibilities but does not initiate force?

Libertarian Sci-Fi

Does anyone know if that is a thing? Bonus points if it has been written in the last fifteen years, after leftists took over the genre.

Nationalist Economics

Mass Production requires Mass Consumption and the wages of the workers create demand.

The demand for goods creates jobs.

Great Industrialists. like Ford, knew this. Ford paid he workers in his first factory twice the going rate.

Paying your workers well does cut into profits but it's good for the economy, and that's good for the long term goals of the company.

It's called an "economic multiplier". The well paid workers buys goods and services and that creates other jobs and opportunities for entrepreneurs,

This cycle created America prosperity and power.

The United States is the largest market in the world for pretty much everything.

If you want to sell a product here. Make it here with American union workers.

What?

You say you cannot make the ungodly profits you have become accustomed to if you don't make your overpriced gym shoes with malnourished Asian child labor.

Then I suggest you try to sell your overpriced gym shoes to malnourished Asian children.

The end to "free trade" and government regulated partnership between capital and labor could restore the American standard of living and maintain it.

Newfag, Inbound!

In a Libertarian society, would poverty be impossible?

Don't markets crash after being highly decentralized?

Has a Libertarian society ever been achieved in history?

Post an image that is what you would think the ideal free market would look like, and lastly, are there any at all conspiracies that /liberty/ believes?

Can the NAP be applied preemptively? Do I really need to wait to be aggressed on when it's obvious it will happen and put myself in harms way or can I solve the problem before it happens?

the jeffrey tucker thread

ITT: jeffrey tucker

Is there a legal term or argument against behavioral modification through laws?

For example, the criminalization of marijuana was justified in part because its use correlated with that of other, harder drugs, and maybe some other behavior that was considered undesirable.

Another example is switchblades, which were mostly made illegal because they were associated with street gangs, not because they themselves are something particularly wicked. If they were simply a gimmick knife that had no more historical or mental association with crime than any other knife, nobody would have cared.

This seems really inappropriate and unethical to the point where they should be some type of legal theory against it, but I've never seen anything like that.

ITT : /liberty/ attempts to create a new philosophy

I'll start:

Existence is real

Is nationalism compatible with libertarianism?

>A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

>”Under Germany’s welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html

*Ancaps/libertarians/neo-liberal capitalism BTFO*

''They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?" - Fidel Castro

Asia

>Hong Kong, Singapore

>South Korea

>Vietnam

>India and China (?)

South America

>Chile

Africa

>Cape Verde

>Somalia (????)

Post more so we can really fuck with his head :3

Liberty _or_ equality?

Is there a fundamental dichotomy between liberty and equality?

What is Anarchism?

>As an anti-dogmatic philosophy, anarchism draws on many currents of thought and strategy. Anarchism does not offer a fixed body of doctrine from a single particular world view, instead fluxing and flowing as a philosophy. There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive. Anarchist schools of thought can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism. Strains of anarchism have often been divided into the categories of social and individualist anarchism or similar dual classifications. Anarchism is usually considered a radical left-wing ideology, and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.

>Anarchist schools of thought can differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat

This is from Wikipedia. Can someone tell me what Anarchism is in a few paragraphs?

Borders

Are open borders really a Libertarian talking point or just an opinion? What do you think on the issue of borders, /liberty/?

Do different standards apply to Europe and America?

What does /liberty/ think of the jews?

Nukes

Will you guys let me own one?

question for capitalist scum

are seatbelt/helmet laws authoritarian? What about age restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol? I genuinely want to hear your opinions on this

t. /leftypol/

ITT: Stupid shit we used to believe

I'll come up with a few later or tomorrow. Too tired right now.

Donald Trump is so rich that he can outcompete the two established political parties that have monopolised the government. Every other candidate is fuelled by corporate interests, but Trump is completely private. Trump represents the individual. He is what the entrepreneur can achieve by simply providing people with what they want. He outcompeted everyone in the free market and now he will outcompete everyone in the government.

Trying to beat someone who provides a better service than you? Impossible.

The future of labor and production

It seems like these days you can't avoid the panic of complete automation. Gommies lose their shit when the topic comes up, and you hear the typical >muh 1% and >muh UBI. However, I think the future will play out differently. With technology comes reduction in the barriers to entry for ownership of the means of production. Ironically, this tenet of socialism is most achievable through capitalism.

—

Case 1: Complete automation is insanely expensive, on the order of several million dollars. [I'd argue that we're about here.]

Result: Only companies large enough to enjoy the economies of scale can afford them, and only they benefit from them. Labor is still needed in small companies, or those that require a human touch (figuratively or literally), or those that change their product frequently in such a way that it is not feasible to fully automate. There is a panic about labor shortage and reduction in price but most people are able to find work somewhere.

Case 2: Automation is still expensive, but within the average first-world citizen's budget (about the price of a house).

Result: The automation market has matured to where if you can afford such a technology, you can put it to work somewhere at minimal risk. If you're to buy something this expensive, it must be robust; longevity for such a device is enough to all but guarantee a profit from it. Robotic ownership is now something akin to home ownership. You may ask a bank for a mortgage on a robot and you can either choose to rent it out to smaller companies or use it to produce something of value yourself. If you're making a comfortable profit, you may choose to buy insurance in case it breaks or is damaged in an accident. The labor it provides, which is mostly automated, allows you to pay off your expenses. You can sit on your ass and get paid. Full-time labor is relegated to the lower class, whom still find a shrinking niche in the manual labor described in case 1.

Case 3: Automation is affordable for everyone.

Result: Labor is pretty much not required for any human, and there is no shortage in the labor pool. Manual labor by humans is largely left to hobby/artistic endeavors or nostalgic businesses. Labor potential is every bit the commodity that ownership of natural resources is; just as one owns a piece of a forest that could create furniture or sculptures or flooring, one may own a fleet of robots that could turn the tree into these things or turn steel into any number of things and so on. Since labor is cheap, the marginal price of one man-hour of labor decreases. However, the cost of automation also is reduced through innovations in technology and supply chains so it falls to match.

The question is no longer "who owns the means of production?" but rather "who owns the resources of production?" The answer to this solution may come in off-world resource exploitation, at least at first. However, one must also consider that as energy becomes post-scarce, a sort of modern alchemy may form through which one could transmute non-valuable material into valuable. If you have a bunch of dirt and nearly infinite energy, why not fuse the carbon into iron, or gold, or any number of elements? Maybe you could even synthesize matter out of energy. Who knows? It's such a far future concept that the result is almost impossible to predict.

—

The only thing that worries me is the transition between these periods. That's where things get messy. People have trouble imagining the new status quo.

How do you think it will play out?

Panarchy and its relation to anarcho-capitalism

sup, /liberty/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarchy

This sounds a lot like anarcho-capitalism. Is there any substantial difference? Is it a particular form of anarcho-capitalism.

I'm trying to rebrand ancap ideas with a less bait-worthy name.

Also,tell me alternative names for ancap.

>leftists are butthurt that Argentina's president is lowering public spending

http://www.workers.org/articles/2016/01/15/argentinas-rightist-regime-attacks-public-workers/

Libertarians you would have a beer with? Here's mine.

Fuck taxes

Need to rant. Just got a tax bill for 2013 that says I owe $5,000. Guess what I was unemployed that year because the company went under after the CEO stole millions of dollars and bailed (which he never went to jail for btw even though he was caught red handed). All of my "income" for 2013 was selling my possessions and moving all my money from foreign bank accounts (and closing them) since I worked abroad. Plus a loan from relatives. I don't have $5,000. How could I?

I should just kill myself. It's that or go to jail. Fuck the system. FML.

Gold Standard.

Could the United States go back onto the Gold Standard?

>United States of America

>Founded on the basis that monarchy is bad

>Literally country literally named after a Hungarian prince

America > Ameriggo Vespucci > St. Americus > Imre

This country's name is basically "the United States of This Medieval Prince"

I just made a liberty related thread on /pol/:

>>>/pol/5021521

Would be glad to see others there.

/politics/ is back

Greetings /liberty/. >>>/politics/ is back.

Feel free to visit anyime

VIDEO: "When The Many Stop Fearing The Few"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckypeZctcGk

Spread it before it gets taken down!

When Ex-French Foreign Legion commander Christian Piquemal was arrested after giving a speech at a PEGIDA rally in Calais, France. One man wasn't willing to back down like the rest. Even after being pepper sprayed, the man stepped forward against armored state enforcers. Despite his stand, the enforcers relentlessly sprayed him and the crowd behind forcing him into retreat. While one brave man can make a statement, it cannot compete with the fist of the State. But when many brave men step forward, victory is inevitable. The scenes shown afterward are from Geldermalsen and Heesch , two dutch towns where brave men demonstrated against council meetings that were discussing the creation of migrant centers. These brave local workers were not willing to sit by and allow these centers to be created, forcing the meetings to be closed.

Refugee centers have led to skyrocketing violent crime rates in their vicinity. Rape, theft and assault are common and following the events in German on New Years where thousands of migrants molested and even raped German girls coming home from a nights festivities, Europeans are openly declaring their opposition to this mass migration which no one has agreed to. Germany alone is predicting a $50 billion cost within the first two years with a projection of a further 10 million illegals entering Europe by 2020. Despite total public condemnation of the illegal migration, the complete media blackout regarding these events with police deliberately hiding information concerning the growing violence, Western European states are determined to open Europe's borders no matter the consequences. The people that suffer the most are the working class who do not have ability to escape the influx and have no safety net to deal with the stresses upon local institutions. The only option that many have left is a physical confrontation with the machinations of the state process. Viva la Revolution!

Ancap hate thread

Hey man I'm an anarcho capitalist

I want private nukes, tanks and machine guns

Mostly open borders for literal terrorists, criminals and plaguebearers

No regulation for atmospheric pollutants

Rich parents abusing their children

Exploitation is good for you

I think I did it

How would /leftypol/ respond to these graphs?

And how can we respond to their responses?

Also, more like this if you have any

Just admit that you guys are Marxists. Just admit that you see all social relations as reflections of economic relations.

It's really sad to see you people continue to make your own lives harder.

why is he so perfect /liberty/?

Australian government might push for healthcare privatisation

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30767296/government-eyes-massive-medicare-health-privatisation/

So, will it work? It's gonna cost over $50 billion

t-time to shine, private sector!

Pros and Cons of Waifubots

In honor of the /n/ waifubot thread, lets discuss the pros and cons of waifubots.

Pros:

>Artificial wombs

>Lower sexual assault rates

>Lower violence rates

>pacifies autists

>Sex Bots, mane

>Technically not banned by scripture if there's an artificial womb

>Could potentially end/seriously reduce Prostitution and Sex Trafficking

>People with strange fetishes like Pedos and Furries will have an outlet instead of becoming predators

>Waifubots will inevitably be able to perform other tasks like making sandwiches and helping you fix your car (third pic related)

>Waifubots with advanced AIs can perform many tasks that mothers could

>Women become obsolete

Cons:

>Early experimentation before artificial wombs could lead to the collapse of civilization

>In practice, it's against scripture because people will end up idolizing sex bots

>Could result in an all-male society

>Someone's waifu is shit

>Don't understand the long-term implications of single-parent male households (but knowing single-parent female households, we can assume it would be bad)

>Robomoms could result in all sorts of human psyche fuckery

>Robowaifus go berserk and lead to a revolution/mass genocide event

>Government uses waifubots to spy on you/keep you complacent

>People use sex bots like drugs, turning it into an addiction

>Advanced AI causes robot activists to ban their use

>Ethics board disallows it, making us rely strictly on business because of science douche bags

>Waifubots sent off to war

>Women become obsolete

RED ALERT! GET READY! THE GESTAPO ARE COMING AFTER THE PATRIOTS!

CIVIL WAR MAY BE VERY CLOSE TO IGNITING.

FBI ANNOUNCES THEY ARE GETTING READY TO RAID LOCAL AND STATE MILITIA MEMBERS INVOLVED WITH THE BUNDY RANCH!

IT IS OFFICIAL. THE FBI ARE EXPLOITING THE RECENT TRAGEDY IN OREGON AS AN OPPERTUNITY TO PURGE ANY RESISTANCE TO FUTURE TYRANNY.

BE ON HIGH ALERT! BE READY TO DEFEND YOURSELVES, AND ONE ANOTHER.

BUG OUT

http://archive.is/PC6ry

http://archive.is/eb0m7

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/theyre-coming-with-standoff-over-fbi-initiates-mass-arrests-of-2014-bundy-ranch-protesters_02112016

http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-fbi-sting-to-arrest-86-americans-in-massive-blm-cover-up.html

OC

I made a quick guide to anarchist ideologies here.

>>>/legitnews/ is a new board created to archive important news and topics found on 8chan. I notice how some really interesting threads tend to slide fast. Be it by conspiracy or not, I'm monitoring it and want to make sure these topics are archived for future generations to gawk at.

Awesome news topics will be scooped up from the following boards:

>>>/n/ ; >>>/pol/ ; >>>/polnews/ ; >>>/liberty/ ; >>>/realnews/ ; >>>/truenews/ ; >>>/altnews/ ; >>>/news/

If you recieve this message, the board you post on is now being archived.

"Autistic intervention occurs when the aggressor uses force on an individual such that no one else is affected"

Source: https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Study%20Guide%20of%20Man,%20Economy,%20and%20State_2.pdf

Is autistic intervention particularly evil in your view, /liberty/? Pic unrelated

"Transgender children"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/12/28/transgender-fad-rapidly-spreading-primary-schools-clusters-emerging-children-copy-friends/

Even underage individuals have already fallen to the transsexual fad.

While I think adults should be able to mutilate their bodies and LARP as the opposite gender if they want to (though they shouldn't be able to use state coercion to force others to play along and use their pronouns, nor should the state spend any resources stimulating this), children "transitioning" is a more complicated issue.

Should they be allowed to do it, no restrictions? It seems rational and libertarian to just let them do it and face the consequences. But the decision isn't entirely the child's, given parental influence, to the point that some/all cases are parents /peer pressure forcing something of uncertain and potentially dangerous results for ideological reasons. Is there a case for banning it?

If age restrictions are to be in place, what should be the minimum age and why?

Well, /liberty/?

https://unlearningeconomics.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/yes-libertarians-really-are-lazy-marxists/

>first time on liberty

>check flags

>mutualism flag, cool

>no individualist or individualist anarchist flag

hey liberty check this out. this was actually a damned good debate. i never thought about labor in this way before, and it is utterly devastating to /leftypol/

basically, investment is a something that workers benefit from, which is unearned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TgdLkGwbTw

https://pando.com/2015/10/14/rise-and-fall-silicon-valleys-republican-dream-candidate/72c3564758416d00f00ee247203f9ba458fe72fb/

WDYT?

Dear BO

Look, you're the board owner, so don't take this the wrong way, but in 20 hours, if you're postin' next to me, comin' over watchin' the fuckin' Anarchist arguments and still prunin' threads, I'll fuckin' kill you. And that's not a threat, that's a fact. I'll fuckin' kill you.

Listen, you got somethin' that none of us have.

Fuck you. You owe it to me. Tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and I'll be fifty and I'll still be doin' this. And that's all right 'cause I'm gonna make a run at it. But you, you're sittin' on the board owner's account and you're too much of a pussy to cash it in. And that's bullshit 'cause I'd do anything to have what you got! And so would any of these guys. It'd be a fuckin' insult to us if you're still here in twenty years.

Let me tell you what I do know. Every day I come by to read posts, and we go out shitpostin' or whatever and we have a few laughs. But you know what the best part of my day is? The ten seconds before I hit the post button 'cause I let myself think I might get there, and my Objectivism flag'd be there. I'd expand the post options and my flag'd be there. It'd just be there.

Now, I don't know much. But I know that.

I need my fuckin' flag, Will.

Is this bullshit or accurate history?

>Lord Jeffrey Amherst distributed blankets with smallpox virus to Indians as intentional germ warfare

>During the Seven Years' War

>1756-1763

>Supposedly there are other instances of whites giving Indians smallpox blankets well before 1860?

>Germ theory wasn't accepted until Pasteur in the 1860s

DA FUQ? This seems, at least superficially, like an enormous contradiction, germ warfare before germ theory. The two reasons I won't write it off is that firstly the Mongols used plague corpses and catapulted them into cities (or at least that's what I learned in world history) and Edward Jenner used, in 1770, cowpox "material" to intentionally infect children for the first European vaccinations.

By "material" it means he made a small cut on the arms of a few kids and rubbed cowpox pus on it.

Anyways, that lesser infection of cowpox gave immunity to the much more lethal smallpox. While this might suggest everyone understood smallpox could be spread by coming in contact with pus (by spreading it on a blanket, perhaps) it might also be the case that Jenner was the first to realize this. Then again, Mongols were using plague corpses to spread disease 500 years before that, at least that'd my understanding.

Is this bullshit? Did Western Europeans practice germ warfare, or was mostly a "happy accident" for the Europeans that their potential foes died of disease? I have also heard that tuberculosis was brought to the Injuns by seals: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28871719

Let's be clear, at best intentional "germ warfare" accounted for a ridiculously small portion of the otherwise inevitable spread of disease. Nonetheless, this is a talking point frequently brought up by self-hating Marxists, I mean useful-idiot liberals, so I'm curious if it's true or not.

Why there's no single candidates in this year that could debate as good like Ron Paul did. Every single argument that were against Ron Paul were destroyed completely with his essence of common sense and legitimacy.

Sometimes it baffles me, why there are so many people still do not agree with his political ideologies.

/Liberty/ - /politics/

Libertarian discussion on /politics/

General ancap discussion >>>/politics/7081

Freedom general >>>/politics/6947

/Liberty/ Embassy thread >>>/politics/181

Daily reminder, capitalism has killed way more people than "communism".

hello /liberty/

i think im a classical liberal, mostly.

am i allowed here?

cognitive dissonance time

>the only thing businessmen and corporations care about is money

>therefore we need government regulation

>businessmen and corporations have and continue to enact racist and sexist policies that decrease their pool of eligible employees, thereby increasing the cost of an input (labor) and risking massive legal repercussions as well as public good will

>therefore civil rights legislation and affirmative action policies where lack of diversity = racism until proven otherwise

Okay, anyone notice this contradiction in general leftist thinking? All these ebul capitalists only care about profit, but then they also sacrifice profit because they… care about being dicks more than profit?

You have five seconds to name the dumbest government regulation you can think of.

For me it's definitely it not being allowed to show people drinking beer in beer commercials.

Liberals get in here

Why do you not realise the innate problems within capitalism? How can you stick your hands in your ears as the system's contradictions lead to crisis upon crisis? How can you be satisfied with what if functionally a two hundred year old economic form, that's beginning to be overtaken by the likes of China's state-centric model?

Even if you want to quibble about capitalism's status as the end-point of human development, there seems to be no link between individual 'freedom' and capitalism. The most impressive capitalistic economic growth is coming from regimes that are autocratic and hierarchical in nature (the Asian tigers being perhaps the best examples).

Protester catches state police on video discussing how they should charge and arrest him to "cover their asses" since they couldn't find an actual crime had occurred

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-michael-picard-dui-protest-arrest-20160128-story.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link

pic unrelated

https://youtu.be/SRkSHc6avec

You should include this film on your playlist of lessons for moral-ethical's principles.

college tuition

Is the ever increasing cost of college the free market attempting to correct itself?(We have a glut of educated people)

Or are the kids just getting screwed?

Why do socialists want my property so bad

This is my first time posting here. Really cool to see a liberty-minded board.

So my question was why socialists want my stuff really badly?

Like first of all they refuse to be corrected on their faulty economic theory. Or you will sit them down explain why they are wrong. They will sit there in silence, and won't even refute you later but the next day off they are going at it again.

So I am fine with them being retarded but why involve me with taxation and whatnot?

I especially don't get socialism in America. America was revived by capitalism and prospered under a small government. Wasn't crashing Asia, Eastern Europe and now Western Europe enough. Is this the point? Bring the entire world down, but first of all lay the seeds of big government, let the roots grow and kill the leftover prosperity of capitalism. Then when its all done and dusted, begin a socialist takeover?

>>2898

>>>/leftistpol/

Hi guys I would like to invite you to a warm and welcoming place for people of all stripes.

Our theme is leftism but we wiIl not ban diverse opinions from any perspective!

We have become aware that your board is considered part of the freedom board federation meaning minimal rules.

Let us become allies.

Should We Abolish Work?

http://srslywrong.com/podcast/ep-62-should-we-abolish-work-w-nick-ford/

Work should absolutely be abolished, and this week we bring on guest Nick Ford to tell you why, how, and who’s going to pick up the trash for forty hours a week. Nick is a market lovin’ left-libertarian and so we talk about that and a bunch of other stuff also.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/arcade-city-decentralized-blockchain-based-answer-to-uber

Where were you when bitcoin killed crony capitalist Uber?

https://www.rt.com/usa/330249-ammon-bundy-oregon-arrest/

So Ammon Bundy was arrested and the feds killed LaVoy Finicum. The protestors at the wildlife center in Burns, OR were told to leave the center immediately. What does this mean for the cause of liberty?

Rant

I moved from one Canadian province to another. Took my car with me. I notice there are a LOT of new car dealerships. I mean, far more than I would think the local economy could support. The main highway just literally has miles of them, they are everywhere.

I calculated there is about 1 car DEALERSHIP per 700 people. With these huge lots, packed with new cars. 0% financing and balloon payments. I used to think anyone who buys a new car is a moron unless they can afford to pay cash.

So anyway I needed an inspection. Emissions are fine. Car runs fine – 2004 + new motor, and I keep it serviced. It just has some rust. I don't mean it's rusted out, I mean there are some spots and bubbled paint. The only reason it HAS rust is that the city I used to live in sprayed salt every day on the roads, and I only had street parking. Which was another pile of bullshit.

So anyway the car fails the inspection due to rust spots. That's it. Rust. Spots. Will cost about $2000 to fix (all body shops in the city are absurdly overpriced GEE I WONDER WHY).

This is on top of the new plates, registration, and all of that. So I should throw away a perfectly fine working automobile with no mechanical problems whatsoever and about probably less than 20k miles on the new motor due to body rust that the government caused in the first place? Should I give up my car?

I'm just a working man, trying to live my life. This shit is strangling me.

Feel

So I've been out of the loop, and just learned that a good friend of mine has joined the military.

What am I supposed to feel.

Anarchist Slaveholding

Fart rape

does fart rape violate the NAP

what if I fart on my own property and the gas drifts over onto your property isn't that pollution xd:(?

Cancer and Capitalism

http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/2016/01/25/cancer-and-capitalism/

Capitalism is the reason we didn't cure cancer yet.

So /liberty/ any actual capitalists here or are you all just classcucks

Leftism

>An unironically socialist board exists

How do these faggots not know that their Marxist theories have been debunked?

Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk, Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, and Murray N. Rothbard literally fucked Marx's shit up.

The impossibility of rational economic calculation in the socialist commonwealth, where the State’s fiat pricing mechanism can never effectively guide the allocation of scarce resources to their most efficient and valuable lines of production in a rapidly-changing world; the errors inherent in Marx’s labor theory of value (which Marx originally adopted from Adam Smith and David Ricardo); the flaws embedded in Das Kapital’s theory of surplus value in its first volume, which is flatly contradicted by the presentation of subjective exchange values in the third; and the way in which the tentative theory of capitalist exploitation arises out of the foregoing tangle of fallacies, predicating the ubiquitous “class conflict” dogma of Marxian hermeneutics.

I suppose you'd have to ignore all of this to somehow still be a Marxist. I've noticed most Marxist have taken to a more Lacanian approach to things but at the end of the day it's still the same garbage.

How do they not know?

Are you ready to feel the Bern?

I, for one, cant wait for the political revolution

Bullshit From Leftypol

I'm still banned for 7 weeks, so I'll just rebut some bullshit I came across here.

>Actually he's doubly wrong about that first point. Anarcho-capitalists, so-called "libertarians," etc actually very much do care if the poor work their way out of it, in that they want to prevent it.

Oh, that's an interesting position. I will do my best to be a greedy Anarcho-Capitalist and see how your theory fits in with my philosophy.

>It means less competition for them,

False. The economy is primarily cooperative, any give industry is cooperating with 95% of other industries. For instance, if I run a steel mill, I am cooperating with (and benefiting from the competition in) the computer industry, construction industry, mining industry, etc. I AM ONLY competing, directly, with steel mills (I am also, in some sense, competing with substitutes for steel.)

Poor people succeeding, in all likelihood, means there's more competition in another industry to provide me cheaper inputs for my business, or cheaper consumer goods.

>and in case someone poor does manage to discover something that will make them one-percenters, someone will try to steal it from them first.

Intellectual property is a bogus concept. You owe the person who invented the term $5 for using it btw

>Most poor people who get into better economic positions believe that they are now rich. They think that because they can become doctors who earn, say, $150,000 annually and invest for the future, they have "made it." Well, true that globally speaking they are among the richest people on the planet, but even they are working-class even though they've been duped into believing that they are "in on it."

No arguments to refute here, just assertions.

>There is no clear path to being ultra-wealthy except for people who are complete and utter sociopaths.

There is no clear path to being ultra-wealthy, period. And sociopathic tendencies are only slightly higher in high-achieving businessmen and women.

>I'm not talking about, say, Stirner-like people who have eschewed spooks, I'm talking about people who have something wrong with them. Even spook-free people have certain neurological developments that allow them to empathize with others. You must honestly have brain damage to be a sociopath; there is something deeply wrong with porky's brain, and it's economically powerful but in all the wrong ways.

Oh yeah, communists historically have been brimming with empathy as they executed those horrible dissidents!

>There's nothing kind or even freeing about ancaps.

>nothing kind

Kind enough to want everyone to be on the same moral playing field- no ruling class with the right to coerce (coerce being used as it's actually defined you humpty-dumptying fuck)

>nothing free

see above, no rulers is as free as you can get without being a tyrant yourself

How to be libertarian, and be against big business, without being a socialist?

Okay, the key principle here is that large organizations are inherently more coercive and that large businesses while they do not usually directly coerce, get much closer to state coercion than smaller businesses, and in the absence of the state would probably try to replace it.

Instead of merely appealing to the NAP, how about a new principle that accounts for this without abandoning private property itself?

If a company gets too much control, then you no longer have market choice, because there will be a monopoly that allows you to have only one choice of that product and in some cases this may be life threatening.

Now, Austrian economics says that a harmful monopoly can never last in a truly free market, since if they jack up prices to earn superprofits, a competitor will enter the market and be able to undercut them.

However, even if you believe this is true it shouldn't be an article of faith, and you should have a contingency plan.

How about if a market gets over a 50% share in a market concerning food, water, electricity, fuel, or raw resources, it's property is no longer valid, and we all go in and force them to split up the company? Not if it's a local market, but if it's a big business getting an over 50% share in an important primary sector market or food purveryor, so that covers the primary sector, and only a narrow section of the secondary sector (food, whereas agri is primary sector production). Apart from that, the secondary and tertiary sector aren't vital enough to survival to worry about business monopolies creating the same inefficiencies as the state without breaking the NAP. In fact the argument for the NAP starts to break down under these hypothetical conditions.

It's just a contingency. You'll know whether to take the idea seriously or not if we convince everyone to be Ancap, and we are living in an Ancap world, then a monopoly arises and raises food prices to impoverishing levels, and no competitors can break through, and then people start getting mad. That's the time to recognize that the Austrians were wrong and that we need to make sure that big business doesn't become a de facto state.

What does "non-authoritarian discussion" mean?

Can I shitpost with nazi memes?

Will I be banned or are the mods here cool unlike those faggots in /pol/

Why do libertarians insist that centrally planned economies are the only alternative to capitalist free markets?

Is it because if they admitted the other alternatives they would have to admit that capitalism is shit?

Heroic Professor dies defending students

Pakistani response to latest teror attack: "maybe we should arm teachers"

>Pakistan attack raises tough question: should teachers shoot back?

Stuck with 15 of his students on a third floor balcony of a campus building as gunmen came up the stairs, university director Mohammad Shakil urged Pakistani police arriving at the scene to toss him up a gun so he could shoot back.

"We were hiding … but were unarmed," Shakil told Reuters, speaking after four Islamist militants attacked Bacha Khan University in Pakistan's troubled northwest on Wednesday, killing more than 20 people.

"I was worried about the students, and then one of the militants came after us," Shakil added. "After repeated requests, the police threw me a pistol and I fired some shots at the terrorists."

As more details of Wednesday's assault emerged, attention focused on at least two members of staff who took up arms to resist attackers bent on killing them and their students.

Some hailed them as heroes, as the country digested an attack which bore similarities to the massacre, in late 2014, of 134 pupils at an army-run school in Peshawar, about 30 km (19 miles) from where this week's violence occurred.

Others questioned whether teachers should be armed, as many are, because it goes against the ideals of the profession.

Such a dilemma may have been far from the mind of chemistry professor Hamid Hussain, as he locked himself inside a room with colleagues after gunmen stormed an accommodation block on the university campus.

When the assailants broke down the door, Hussain fired several rounds from his pistol, according to Shabir Ahmad Khan, an English department lecturer taking cover in an adjacent washroom.

"They carried on heavy shooting and I was preparing myself for death, but then they did not enter the washroom and left," Khan recalled.

Later on in the same building, Hussain fired again at the militants to allow some of his students to get away, surviving pupils told local media. Hussain was subsequently shot and later died from his wounds.

"Kudos to professor Dr Hamid Hussain. Our hero fought bravely n saved many," Asma Shirazi, a popular talk show host, said on Twitter.

TEACHERS' DILEMMA

Others, too, have credited the actions of Hussain and Shakil with helping to prevent the gunmen, armed with assault rifles and hand grenades, from spilling more blood.

Bacha Khan University also employed around 50 of its own guards who, witnesses said, fought for close to an hour to keep the gunmen isolated and prevent them from entering the girl's hostel as the police and army arrived.

Pakistan army spokesman General Asim Bajwa said the security guards responded "very well" to the attack before reinforcements reached them.

In the wake of the 2014 school massacre, teachers in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, where Peshawar is located, were offered weapons training. Yet some are wary of arming teachers and encouraging them to engage in battle.

Gun ownership is common in Pakistan, owing to liberal licensing laws, and particularly so in the semi-autonomous tribal belt near the Afghan border where the threat of militant violence is high.

Jamil Chitrali, president of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa University Teaching Staff Association, said more teachers were now carrying personal weapons, as security had worsened.

"Arms are against the norms of my profession," he said. "I am teaching principles and morality in the class. How I can carry a gun?"

WHO IS TO BLAME?

Four gunmen, all since killed, were involved in Wednesday's attack, officials said. They used the cover of thick fog to scale the campus' rear walls, before storming student dormitories and classrooms and executing people at will.

Some 3,000 students were enrolled at the university, many living on campus, while hundreds of visitors had arrived to hear a poetry recital to commemorate the life of local Pashtun nationalist hero and pacifist Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, after whom the university is named.

The provincial government declared a day of mourning on Thursday as grieving families buried their dead and survivors recalled their ordeal.

https://archive.is/QMhJE

>tfw this world was made for you and me

Why aren't you a recluse yet, anon? Thanks to the internet these days you can have just enough human interaction not to go screwy while being far enough away from other people that your rights and liberties aren't being constantly infringed and abused as they are when you live in society.

>Non-authoritarian Discussion of Politics

B-But what about the Pinochet? Is dictatorial liberalism bad?

Post more resources here

Posting this here because the main resource thread is locked:

Electronic Frontier Foundation

An international non-profit digital rights group based in the United States. I.e., the ACLU in cyberspace.

Website: https://www.eff.org/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/EFForg

Does anyone have any international sites? Preferably in Spanish/French?

Nationalism and Its Effects on Peace in Europe

With global crisis, unemployment, dissatisfaction, poverty and intolerance has increased and with it also nationalism. Political parties with nationalist platforms are rising and gaining more support around the world and Europe is no exception.

In Spain, Italy, and the United Kingdom and across Europe we can see the rise of the right. The financial crisis in the Eurozone and beyond has triggered rising of nationalists and far-right political parties.

The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRl) on 9th of July released a report about the dramatic increase in anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, online hate speech and xenophobic political discourse as the main trends in 2014.

Nationalism can be positive with legitimacy, promotion of nations and inspiration for citizens or negative by creating tensions between different ethnicity and groups in or outside the country. Some negative aspects of ideology or political movement can be seen in the latest football matches in the Balkans, where supporters of team groups have burned many national flags and hooliganism that is the result of long lasting hatred and nationalism on the ground. Every country has its own history and different positions, but still similarities could be found.

The country all news is regarding to in recent times is Greece. A known slogan “Greece for Greeks” is well known in its anti-austerity party. Attacks against minorities and immigrants with racism are seen in one of the European Union (EU) members. Golden Dawn neo-Nazi party is linked to hundreds of violent attacks against minorities.

It is known for anti-immigration, racist-nationalist worldview. With elections being held this year in January the party captured 6.3% of the vote and 17 senate seats in Hellenic parliament and become the country’s third largest party. In 2014 the party won 9.4% of votes in European parliamentary election and with it 3 seats out of 21.

The party has been put on a trial this year for its criminal activity.

Nationalism in Greece has divided citizens and noncitizens to us and them and created the gap between both. With the economic crisis, Greeks debt, overall economic meltdown, unemployment and increasing number of refugees from different countries, the party led by Nikos Michaloliakos has gained more support and caused even greater intolerance to foreign people in need. Unfortunately, they are not the only one spreading intolerance. Many politicians have a stance against immigrants, which shapes the Greeks’ attitude towards nationalism.

https://archive.is/Fnu9K

Hello fellow >>>/pol/ iticians

We have a major problem on our hands.

The Jew has successfully tricked people into fighting race wars instead of overthrowing their governments;

into using corrupt government currencies instead of bit coin and a dozen other free alternatives.

The Jew has tricked them into accepting capitalism with all its government buying scandals and warmongering lies.

While some have accelerated a war on straight European Race men- others have decided that the biggest problem is Islam and the hordes coming from the Muslim lands.

The biggest problem is government and its many tentacles that infiltrate and corrupt everything they rake over.

From public education to zoning laws in cities.

From subsidization of major corporations to income taxes on individuals but not on corporate profits.

Even if you think government is necessary - the current governments in power are against man - against honest living. They perpetuate minor problems into bigger ones to make sure they remain relevant.

Know the real struggle here. A relatively few men with political and international business empires that have survived the centuries are strangling everyone to maintain their unnatural hierarchy. Humans are not a hive. Those who want leadership let them choose. And those who seek no guidance let them walk their own paths.

The modern governments consider all who aren't in the ruling ranks to be brainless drones. Are you a brainless drone? Do you not have a right to control your own body?

There is no new world to go to. And if we ever get off this earth while they still rule going to new worlds will not be as open as it was to go to the Americas.

Save this planet from these corrupt souls. Do not hide from criticism. You deserve everything you strive for. Fight for it. And the future generations will be so lucky not to live in a world prison.

General Anarchy Discussion Thread

Left and Right cease to matter between people that agree on the principles on nonviolent, voluntary interaction. In this way, it's possible for the dirty commies, the filthy capitalists, and everyone inbetween to live together, so long as there is a mutual agreement that the initiation of force is not acceptable.

The best anarchy is anarchy without adjectives. Ultimately we must remember that the entire reason we seek liberty is to be free from the forceful command of others, and to be allowed to choose our own course. So long as we view our economic preferences as integral to our independent views of ideal freedom, there will be discord.

Who pro-aggression Ancap here?

I'm in favor of Anarcho-Capitalism, but not the NAP.

I prefer the Aggression Principle. It states that you can use aggression when you feel like it, and that people can use aggression to defend themselves from people using aggression to defend themselves from people using aggression on themselves. Fuck it. Basically, you can use aggression to defend capitalism. It's more realistic that way. War is the best market. Taking property by force is just a hostile take over.

I'm in favor of Anarcho-Capitalism, because I like the idea of class war and a bunch of shops getting smashed, and commies being sent to privatized death camps.

Most anarchists are fags who say "A-anarchism d-doesn't mean chaos! It just means no rulers!", but they are wrong; anarchism does mean chaos, and that's the best thing about it. I can rape women and get away with it, and if the commune anarchist association come to arrest me, I can just hire a protection agency the mafia to smash their faces in.

But back to privatized death camps. We can make commies pay us to go on rollercoasters that break off their heads and kill them, and there will be tea cup rides that pour boiling tea on them, and there will be a rifle stall where you can shoot a commie to get a bear, also redeemable for real world bitcoins made from gold.

When it's war time, all the big companies will join together to form a megacorp, like a capitalist voltron. Then, they will use their privatized nuke missiles to kill any town with communist contract law that violates the BE CAPITALIST OR DIE principle.

When the market is freed from people who hate capitalism (because they are dead), then we can finally have a true free market that's real this time. Also, I think we start genetically engineering the perfect capitalist man who only thinks in terms of marginal utility, leading to a perfect society in which every man is a genetically pure business owner, and each man employs the other men in his factory, and it works in rotation… and fuck, where are the chicks? A chick touched my arm once.

Anyway, I hate commies, so pro-aggression Anarcho-Capitalism is the final solution to the statist scum.

VOLUNTARIST KILL COMPANIES

MARKET MURDER MOBS

PRIVATIZED DEATH CAMPS

European Crisis - Islamic Invasion

While millions of Muslims come for the free goods…

Internationalist politicians don't want anyone to have a strong identity, they don't want plebs to know family, they don't want any meaningful traditions to be practiced.

Politicians laugh how they are guaranteed income as parasites. The commoners fight amongst each other on a myriad of fronts while the bankers, corporations, politicians all eat luxury.

They will tell you to stop being racist, to vote harder, to stop being sexist while millions of muslims come for the free goods.

You'll think you have a new leader that cares about you, and as long as you act this slave role your new leader will always be just ready to fix everything but never able nor willing to help you. So long as you look above and around you for solutions instead of with your own mind and two hands, you will remain in this nightmare world.

http://youtu.be/tXMkcZBvq7U

So long as you look above and around you for solutions instead of with your own mind and two hands, you will remain in this nightmare world.

Find NAP Violations

ITT Flaws in the NAP

While socialists suck at locating flaws in the Non-Aggression Axiom/Principle without forming a number of false assumptions, especially in relationship to the Bastiat flowchart, I know there are exceptions (well, depending on which AnCap you ask anyways) to the rule that can be pointed out. Lets make a thread to find and legitimately consider said flaws, and if they're really flaws or not in relation to the NAP. I'll start us off with four examples that some would not consider violations of the NAP via the bastiat flowchart (I'm not saying I agree, just four examples I could think of off the top of my head that could be argued).

1) If a jet flies over your property or a very heavy truck passes nearby causing your property to vibrate/shake, or perhaps someone digs underneath your property, is it a violation of your property and thus a violation of the non-aggression axiom?

2) Is spanking (or as "an"coms put it, "hitting") your child a violation of the NAP? Even if it is, does it matter? If you do not consider it a violation, is spanking your spouse a violation of the NAP?

3) Can masturbating in public (or exhibitionism in general), as degenerate as it is, be considered a violation of the NAP? Question sparked by >>>/n/269523

4) Suicide booths could be considered a violation of the NAP since they're helping kill someone, even if it's indirectly.

In an anarcho-capitalist society, do you think most people would choose to create and participate in social collectives? Or would most people choose to remain sovereign? By "social collectives" I mean communities that voluntarily subject themselves to certain rules and ideals, like the Amish. An Amish community's church has a tonne of control over its people, but it's voluntary control. If you break the rules there is no coercion, you simply get excommunicated.

So, would you join a collective in which you and your neighbours would be subject to social rules, or would you go full innawoods hermit mode?

Why are the Marxists wrong?

Why are you right?

Even if you reduce government power how does that stop corporations from gaining more power? What regulations exactly keep corporates in power? How do they stifle competition to stay on top in the market? How has government specifically been helping large businesses stay large?

>le supporting open boarder immigration

How do you beat a nationalist opponent on a debate regarding immigration.

Raid?

I think we need to fucking crush this wrong-think propaganda.

>anarchism this

>anarchism that

Explain how you can have capitalism (property), socialism (redistribution) or any system of order (run by laws and commands) without government?

What creates compliance and what maintains the status of compliance? What stops le Somalia meme from happening?

What's wrong with Syndicalism?

What was yfw when you realised that you can't achieve libertarainism through democracy?

What was yfw you realised that western reactionary thought is heavily compatible with freedom?

what was your yfw you realised that it's not nazis vs communists, but the Revolution against the Counter-Revolution?

pic related

>mfw it all makes sense now and the puzzle pieces are coming together

good feel

Economics question

What is wealth?

How is it created?

Is wealth infinite or limited?

Anyone a pro-aggression Anarcho-Capitalist here?

I'm in favor of Anarcho-Capitalism, but not the NAP.

I prefer the Aggression Principle. It states that you can use aggression when you feel like it, and that people can use aggression to defend themselves from people using aggression to defend themselves from people using aggression on themselves. It's more realistic. War is the best market. Taking property by force is just a hostile take over.

I'm in favor of Anarcho-Capitalism, because I like the idea of class war and a bunch of shops getting smashed, and commies being sent to privatized death camps.

Personally, I'm also in favor of Anarcho-Communism. Anarcho-Capitalism is the best way to get to Anarcho-Communism, and vice versa, because both will create chaos and war, and a tribal Mad Max society.

Most anarchists are fags who say "A-anarchism d-doesn't mean chaos! It just means no rulers!", but they are wrong; anarchism does mean chaos, and that's the best thing about it. I can rape women and get away with it, and if the commune anarchist association come to arrest me, I can just hire a protection agency the mafia to smash their faces in.

I can't wait until we're all living in socialist communes run by major corporations. Fat people will live in the McDonald's commune. Strong lads will live in the bodybuilding.com commune. Smelly nerds will live in the /pol/ commune. /leftypol/ won't even have a commune, because you'll all die of a broken heart.

Personally, I think it's going to be great. I was involved in Occupy Wall Street London, and the G20 protests, and I took along an Anachro -Capitalist flag and shouted KILL THE PIGS! EAT THE RICH! I got with a hot girl but she ignored me.

So, basically, I'm in favor of WW3, and if you're not you are an idealistic humanist faggot. Fite me commies.

>freedom of religion (mental slavery)

>liberty

I hope you realize how you can't have this cake and eat it too.

The Troubles

What are your thoughts on the Northern Irish Conflict?

1000 policemen vs 1000 feminists vs 1000 natsocs vs 1000 commies

Who do you bet on? Who do you cheer on?

Rothschilds

How does /liberty/ feel about the Rothschild monopoly on oil with little government intervention?

Made a thread on the beta board, except infinity next will probably never happen because Josh is a complete failure.

So, what do you say, /liberty/? Has this been done before?

Grocery Store

A grocery store in the USSR, ~1990.

such a beautiful scene

much prosperity

much happiness

Banking

You wake up and there are no banks, you have the opportunity to make your own bank, what are going to be your policies?

Reminder without stalin we'd all be overrun by nazis

Anarcho-“Capitalism” is Impossible

> Many anarchists of various stripes have made the claim that anarcho-capitalists aren’t really anarchists because anarchism entails anti-capitalism. I happen to think this is actually backwards. If they genuinely wish to eliminate the state, they are anarchists, but they aren’t really capitalists, no matter how much they want to claim they are.

https://c4ss.org/content/4043

What do you think?

>capitalist "innovation"

What does /liberty/ think caused the financial crisis of 2007–08?

Top 10 Hottest Libertarian Women 2015

Libertarian Republic decides to grace us all with their idiocy once more…

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/hottest-libertarian-women-you-should-know-in-2016/10/

#4 should be #2, and fuck, even Monica Lucas and Angela Keaton are prettier than some of these chicks. Why don't they have Marisa Salazar on the list?

Glengarry Glen Ross

What is /liberty/'s opinion on this movie? I watched it a while ago, due to scene related, and liked it immensely.

What they don't want you to know about Josh

https://imgur.com/a/adP4P

Interested in a brand new, fully warranted, 5-door crossover SUV, built by a major name brand automaker, that gave you 50+ MPG with a gas, not diesel or hybrid engine, that has a top speed of 125 mph, is capable of getting to 60 in 12 seconds around the same as a Prius, that's stickered priced at less than $5,000?

It's not a primitive vehicle. It has air conditioning, flatscreen LED dashboard, an airbag, powerwindows and locks.

Well

FUCK YOU

you can't buy it! It doesn't have 6 airbags, doesn't meet roof crush standards; it's not that it's unsafe, it's not that overpollutes, it would probably exceed our standards of 20 years ago, but it doesn't meet our ultrastringent standards today.

THAT'S RIGHT FAGGOTS, YOU CAN LEGALLY JUMP OUT OF A FUCKING AIRPLANE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PARACHUTE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE A CAR WITHOUT SIX AIR BAGS YOU'RE SUICIDAL AND THE STATE MUST STEP INTO KEEP YOU SAFE! FUCK AFFORDABILITY, YOUR SAFETY IS TOO IMPORTANT TO LET YOU DRIVE THIS CAR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlGTuyQYLcg

MIGRATION ABOUT TO HAPPEN

ARCHIVE YOUR FAVE THREADS

NAOW

http://8ch.net/next/res/3556.html#3611

When Boris Yeltsin went grocery shopping in Clear Lake

>09/16/1989 - Boris Yeltsin and a handful of Soviet companions made an unscheduled 20-minute visit to a Randall's Supermarket after touring the Johnson Space Center. Between trying free samples of cheese and produce and staring at the frozen food selections, Yeltsin roamed the aisles of Randall's nodding his head in amazement.

>It was September 16, 1989 and Yeltsin, then newly elected to the new Soviet parliament and the Supreme Soviet, had just visited Johnson Space Center.

>At JSC, Yeltsin visited mission control and a mock-up of a space station. According to Houston Chronicle reporter Stefanie Asin, it wasn’t all the screens, dials, and wonder at NASA that blew up his skirt, it was the unscheduled trip inside a nearby Randall’s location.

>Yeltsin, then 58, “roamed the aisles of Randall’s nodding his head in amazement,” wrote Asin. He told his fellow Russians in his entourage that if their people, who often must wait in line for most goods, saw the conditions of U.S. supermarkets, “there would be a revolution.”

>Shoppers and employees stopped him to shake his hand and say hello. In 1989, not everyone was carrying a phone and camera in their pocket so Yeltsin “selfies” weren’t a thing yet.

>Yeltsin asked customers about what they were buying and how much it cost, later asking the store manager if one needed a special education to manage a store. In the Chronicle photos, you can see him marveling at the produce section, the fresh fish market, and the checkout counter. He looked especially excited about frozen pudding pops.

>“Even the Politburo doesn’t have this choice. Not even Mr. Gorbachev,” he said.

Aren't you just living under the states property? By transgressing against them aren't you violating the NAP? Don't they have private property as well?

And who's to stop states forming again that simply just need you to give them rent in order for you to stay on their land? And how is government any different then this?

How can you be sure to avoid this situation in an Anarcho-capitalist society? When capitalists own all of the land as well?

>Don't governments own private property as well

>How would you even own private land in an AnCap society when there are already Capitalists who own all the land

>Isn't paying rent to living on a Capitalists land no different than to what we live in today?

Salon.com: Libertarianism is for white men

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/why_libertarianism_is_so_popular_on_the_right_its_the_last_bastion_of_white_male_dominance/

Everything is gonna be just fine, right g-guys? The FED raised interest rates it means the economy is up-p and r-running!

Questions

So Libertarians wish to abolish the Patent System? Makes sense.

And then there's world banking and the current economic systems in Europe, which I'm a little bewildered about. When it comes to banking and bankers as a whole, where does /liberty/ stand? Obviously you're against a central bank, but what about banking in general? Aren't there alternatives to the banking system we have currently? Is there an alternative that Libertarians would support? When it comes to finance I'm pretty ignorant.

Thoughts on the IMF?

And then there's the current economic crisis in Europe at the moment which I'm not sure how to feel about. Why are they failing economically? Why is the EU such a mess? All of this austerity. Just why is it happening, what does /liberty/ think?

Is the problem located within Social Democracy itself or, something on the surface?

Thoughts on Neo-Liberalism and its effects that we see today? What's wrong with Neo-Liberalism?

So yeah, the banking system, European economic crisis, and Neo-Liberalism.

>inb4 just look it up faggot

>inb4 BASIC ECONOMICS

>inb4 you should probably kill yourself lad #bantz

Why shouldn't I forcefully impose my opinion on another human being? What is exactly wrong with that? Why can't I kill anyone who doesn't agree with Materialism, for example? Religion is a waste of time for the ultimate goal, they shouldn't be debated, they should be eliminated.

I'm being serious, the human species is going to be extinguished, and we will be doomed if we let these idealist scum take over. Human beings can be remade, we don't have to feel guilty by killing idealist and religious scum, we can make another human beings, just as useful, and with the right mentality for our success.

Reminder that left vs right is an age old divide and conquer tactic employed by authoritarians.

What?

There wasn't a thread about that rancher thing in the news so I started one.

A standoff between locals the federal government and people like you aren't discussing it.

How could that happen?

I don't know much about this issue, and I reckoned you'd be the folks to ask.

The role of government

What responsibilities (if any) does the state hold?

What should I expect the government to do?

How are corporations just not like states? How are they just not another hierarchical institutions that need to be abolished?

And how exactly would we reduce corporate power if we got rid of government?

And isn't less regulation just what they want?

Would crime increase or decrease in the absence of a state?

A simple argument

Working hard, and playing by the rules only works if everyone is playing by the rules.

People playing games can get ahead by cheating.

This is why we have referees at sporting events.

My livelihood and the economy as a whole, are a lot more important than some ball game so I would like to have some regulation.

The Paradox of the Free Market.

If the free market is left unregulated long enough it ceases to be a free market as the big players squeeze out the smaller ones.

A cartel or a monopoly than sets prices with no concern for supply and demand.

Thoughts?

Hi, /liberty/. I'm a free-market anarchist, and one of my best friends is a dirty commie and feminist. Does anybody have any suggestions of how I can redpill her? What I can say is that she is still a big fan of rationality and intellectual discourse. It's like a bastion of dirty

Also, general redpilling-thread. How did you get redpilled, and how did you redpill others?

Statist Bingo

Made a game of statist bingo, a while ago. Never played it so far, but I might make it a first now. A friend on fb thougt it would be a fucking bright idea to start a discussion with me on whether anarchy and private property are compatible.

So yeah, I'll just leave this here, maybe give you guys updates on how our discussion went, once I have found the motivation to engage in a discussion with someone who sure as fuck won't bring me any real arguments I have never heard of.

Addd this monarchist flag

Individualism

>Individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights—and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members.

>Do not make the mistake of the ignorant who think that an individualist is a man who says: “I’ll do as I please at everybody else’s expense.” An individualist is a man who recognizes the inalienable individual rights of man—his own and those of others.

>An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life—nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone—nor sacrifice anyone to myself.”

>The mind is an attribute of the individual. There is no such thing as a collective brain. There is no such thing as a collective thought. An agreement reached by a group of men is only a compromise or an average drawn upon many individual thoughts. It is a secondary consequence. The primary act—the process of reason—must be performed by each man alone. We can divide a meal among many men. We cannot digest it in a collective stomach. No man can use his lungs to breathe for another man. No man can use his brain to think for another. All the functions of body and spirit are private. They cannot be shared or transferred.

>We inherit the products of the thought of other men. We inherit the wheel. We make a cart. The cart becomes an automobile. The automobile becomes an airplane. But all through the process what we receive from others is only the end product of their thinking. The moving force is the creative faculty which takes this product as material, uses it and originates the next step. This creative faculty cannot be given or received, shared or borrowed. It belongs to single, individual men. That which it creates is the property of the creator. Men learn from one another. But all learning is only the exchange of material. No man can give another the capacity to think. Yet that capacity is our only means of survival.

>Mankind is not an entity, not an organism, or a coral bush. The entity involved in production and trade is man. It is with the study of man—not of the loose aggregate known as a “community”—that any science of the humanities has to begin . . . .

>A great deal may be learned about society by studying man; but this process cannot be reversed: nothing can be learned about man by studying society—by studying the inter-relationships of entities one has never identified or defined.

This is fucking irrational.

No Fun Allowed

A mod deleted my thread.

So, we're currently at the tail end of a long cooling period.

Remind me why a 2 degree celsius temperature rise is the end of the world if we can just move inland and use air conditioners? We've been over 10 degrees hotter. And by we I mean somewhat intelligent life on Earth.

Riddle me this, BO

>Looking back at page 24

>Lots of deleted posts

>Some of these have been made by me

Now, I never engaged in spam, I barely shitposted, so why were my posts deleted? It's not like a lot of damage was done, these threads are months old, after all, but this still seems to go against the principles of this board.

So, what's the reason for this, BO? I can't imagine you do this for shits and giggles. I assume you have a good reason, but I'd like to know it.

Didn't let me post without a pic.

This Major Internet Company Has Stockpiled 3 Months of Food and $10 Million In Gold For Their Employ

This Major Internet Company Has Stockpiled 3 Months of Food and $10 Million In Gold For Their Employees

While the world’s super elite prepare everything from stylish bunkers to emergency submarines, most couldn’t care less about their millions of employees should a widespread crisis strike financial markets or the economic system.

There is, however, one notable high net worth exception according to a recent speech from Overstock.com Chairman Jonathan Johnson who notes that after many years of getting hammered by short-sellers they’ve lost total trust in Wall Street and the government’s ability to look-out for the little guy.

As such, Johnson’s company has taken preemptive measures in anticipation of a major event that could take down payment systems, lock up credit flows and make it impossible for employees to meet their basic needs.

Little did we know that Overstock’s Chairman Jonathan Johnson is as vocal an opponent of the fiat system, and Wall Street’s tendency to create bubble after bubble, if not more than Byrne himself. That, and that his company actually puts its money where its gold-backed money is and in preparation for the next upcoming crash, has taken unprecedented steps to prepare for what comes next.

One week ago Johnson, who is also candidate for Utah governor, spoke at the United Precious Metals Association, or UPMA, which we first profiled a month ago, and which takes advantage of Utah’s special status allowing the it to use gold as legal tender, offering gold and silver-backed accounts. As a reminder, the UPMA takes Federal Reserve Notes (or paper dollars) which it then translates into golden dollars (or silver). The golden dollars are based off the $50 one ounce gold coins produced by the Treasury of The United States. They are legal tender under the law and are protected as such.

What did Johnson tell the UPMA? Here are some choice quotes:

"We are not big fans of Wall Street and we don’t trust them. We foresaw the financial crisis, we fought against the financial crisis that happened in 2008; we don’t trust the banks still and we foresee that with QE3, and QE4 and QE n that at some point there is going to be another significant financial crisis."

"So what do we do as a business so that we would be prepared when that happens. One thing that we do that is fairly unique: we have about $10 million in gold, mostly the small button-sized coins, that we keep outside of the banking system. We expect that when there is a financial crisis there will be a banking holiday. I don’t know if it will be 2 days, or 2 weeks, or 2 months. We have $10 million in gold and silver in denominations small enough that we can use for payroll. We want to be able to keep our employees paid, safe and our site up and running during a financial crisis."

"We also happen to have three months of food supply for every employee that we can live on."

https://archive.is/CcNFc

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-this-major-internet-company-has-stockpiled-three-months-of-food-and-10-million-in-gold-for-their-employees-we-dont-trust-wall-street_10252015

Break Up Media Empires in Defence of Democracy

>The Labour party is developing policies to break up the UK’s largest media companies, according to leader Jeremy Corbyn.

>In an interview in Monday’s Morning Star, Corbyn said the party also wanted to promote co-operative ownership models for the media.

>“We are developing a media policy which would be about breaking up single ownership of too many sources of information, so that we have a multiplicity of sources,” he said.

>“And actually promoting co-operative ownership and access, including local TV and radio stations and newspapers like the Morning Star.”

> The last Labour manifesto under Ed Miliband included a commitment to “protect media plurality” and update rules for a 21st century media environment. However, it stopped short of proposing caps on media ownership or threatening to break up any of the UK’s largest media businesses.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/23/jeremy-corbyn-labour-media.

https://archive.is/9bYPV

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/theres-a-right-way-to-lose-at-the-oxford-union-i-did-the-wrong-way/

https://archive.is/bpMEW

https://www.oxford-union.org/term_events/media_debate (it'll be on YT sometime during 2016).

It's 21st century. The free market of ideas is so passé. Wow, like wow, just get with the times.

My favourite part is how he wants the Labour Party to prop up small media co-operatives which everyone here knows are the spitting image of a successful, competitive firm. Their model is, as I'm sure we'd all agree, the envy of the capitalist system.

Year's almost over. What books have you read during it, /liberty/?

Is libertarianism just liberalism for edgy dumbasses?

What would an Anarcho-Capitalist society look like?

I sure hope you're not violating the NAP by breeding, /liberty/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

The freest commodity in the world

What is the only way to espouse free trade in a world where force is the norm? Force against the initiators. And at this, the drug lords and criminals have succeeded-partially.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/dec/26/man-who-exposed-lie-war-on-drugs-roberto-saviano-ed-vulliamy

https://archive.is/djfjB

>Pablo Escobar was “the first to understand that it’s not the world of cocaine that must orbit around the markets, but the markets that must rotate around cocaine”.

>Of course, Escobar didn’t put it that way: this heretical truth was posited by Roberto Saviano in his latest book Zero Zero Zero, the most important of the year and the most cogent ever written on how narco-traffic works. Here is a book that speaks what must be told at the end of another year of drug war spreading further and deeper, that tells what you will not learn from Narcos, Breaking Bad or the countless official reports.

>The realisation that cocaine capitalism is central to our economic universe made Escobar the Copernicus of organised crime, argues Saviano, adding: “No business in the world is so dynamic, so restlessly innovative, so loyal to the pure free-market spirit as the global cocaine business.” It sounds simple, but it isn’t – it is revolutionary and, says Saviano, it explains the world.

>Saviano – who lives in hiding under 24/7 guard, after death threats arising from Gomorrah, his book about the Neapolitan mafia – and I were due to discuss Zero Zero Zero at the Hay Arequipa book festival in Peru this month. But Saviano was unable to make it, because of difficulties in arranging his movements. For eight years, he has lived in undisclosed venues, with a permanent dispatch of seven carabinieri guards, rarely spending more than a few nights in the same bed. A video link to Peru proved too complicated, but what Saviano had to say was too important to let go, too pressing and radical to lose in the ether of the logistics. In the end we spoke by telephone last weekend.

>“Capitalism,” says Saviano, “needs the criminal syndicates and criminal markets… This is the most difficult thing to communicate. People – even people observing organised crime – tend to overlook this, insisting upon a separation between the black market and the legal market. It’s the mentality that leads people in Europe and the USA to think of a mafioso who goes to jail as a mobster, a gangster. But he’s not, he’s a businessman, and his business, the black market, has become the biggest market in the world.”

>This is Saviano’s sagacious heresy. For decades, writing on global mafia has presumed a Manichean schism between cops and robbers; our healthy society and law enforcement on one hand battling organised crime on the other (with occasional erring by the former). But the trail blazed by Saviano and very few others demolishes that account, backed by every recent development in Mexico’s narco-nightmare, including and especially the escape, again, of the heir to Escobar’s mantle, Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman, from supposedly maximum-security jail. Narco cartels like Guzman’s are not adversaries of global capitalism, nor even pastiches of it; they are integral to – and pioneers of – the free market. They are its role model.

>the freer the market, the freer the people!

SpaceX

How long before it's Nationalized?

Venezuela's federal bank: Listing poor exchange prices is "cyberterrorism"

>Cyrus Farivar is reporting that the government of Venezuela has decided the best way to keep its citizens from learning more about its collapsing economy is to sue the US-based operators of a currency exchange information website… in a US federal court.

>The US-based website that publishes a daily unofficial exchange rate between American dollars and Venezuelan bolivares has recently filed a vigorous defense in a strange international lawsuit. The site, DolarToday, was sued in October 2015 by the Central Bank of Venezuela (CBV) in federal court in Delaware, where the site is based.

>In its bizarre and bombastic civil complaint, the US-based lawyer for the CBV argued that the three Venezuelan-American men who run the site are engaged in "cyber-terrorism" designed to create "the false impression that the Central Bank and the Republic are incapable of managing Venezuela’s economy."

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151221/09492833147/venezuela-sues-us-website-racketeering-cyberterrorism-to-try-to-shut-them-up-about-exchange-rates.shtml

How long until the Fed tries the same?

hi

econ majors btfo

>liberty

so how does /liberty/ feel about that guy who bought aids?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3243938/Ex-hedge-funder-32-hated-man-internet-defends-jacking-prices-AIDS-medication-5500.html

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/investing/aids-drug-martin-shkreli-750-cancer-drug/

Thidwick, The Big-Hearted Moose

By Dr. Seuss

where is your mises now?

>skinheads would've been gassed

>sjws would've been sent to gulags

But somehow capitalists are the good guys.

An imaginary libertarian roast

I consider myself a libertarian, but goddam are there some things in the movement that piss me the fuck off. So, I pretended to give a gigantic passive aggressive diatribe of a roast. Here it is.

—

Oh, Professor Block, thank God you're wearing clothes. I was beginning to think that you'd think you weren't being extreme enough compared to the audience at Porcfest or anyone alive on planet Earth and decided to go completely nude to try to 'win.' But then again, you've made probably the only libertarian case for slavery, so you're probably safe anyways. *pause* I hope he doesn't consider suing me for libel for saying this.

Speaking of you Block, have you and Kinsella stopped beating your kids?

Speaking of beating your kids, hello Molyneux! Oh, what's that? You don't think what I said was funny? You think I'm fogging over some real self of mine that was destroyed during my childhood because my parents weren't perfect? You think me giving this very passive aggressive articulation of your position is more proof that I'm a demented individual who needs therapy? Jesus, I haven't even started making fun of you and you're already making fun of yourself.

Speaking of making fun of yourself, Murphy, what the hell happened to your face? Are you trying to look like a clown so that maybe you'll win your next debate via some sympathy points? Maybe next time you debate with David Friedman/Walter Block/Kinsella/EVERYONE YOU DEBATE WITH you'll actually give an argument against some of his final points instead of claiming they were so ridiculous that they made you look smart weeks after the debate already ended.

Speaking of David Friedman, hello there! Let us know when you finally decide to groom yourself, I hear combs are really cheap nowadays. Or is that because you're still doing your King of Northumbrwhatever LARP session? In any case, just let us know when you finalize realize that consequentialism meant you were secretly a statist all along. By the way, I really have to give credit to your son Patri Friedman and the whole seasteading thing, he perfected running away with crowd funders money before crowd funding was even really a thing!

Speaking of crowd funding, hello Mr. Tucker. How's that Facebook-for-libertarians-with-no-impulse-control going? Have you succeeded in centralizing a directory of all the gullible libertarians willing to throw money at crap into one central directory in order to leverage your thinly veiled native advertising scams for Canadian toilets, showerhead mods, and razors and make an easy honeypot directory for the government?

Speaking of scammers, Mr. Kokesh, so nice of you to join us. I hear you're looking for some new employment, I hear the prison by Keene has a few open positions.

Speaking of political positions, Dr. Paul…are you going to admit that you're a fucking anarchist already?

Speaking of libertarians with vaguely religious appeal, Dr. Rothbard *bow head, do that thing Catholics do where they draw a cross on themselves,* what brings you down here from libertopia? Oh, there are no roads? That's too bad, I guess. Maybe you could try using some of the money left over to you from the Koch Brothers to build one.

—

…..I think I should stop now.

He's right you know, just his cure is worse than the disease.

adam motherfucking 'the state ain't great'kokesh

how does /liberty/ feel about this liberty lusting freedom fucking anti-state sonofabitch?

Which one would you date, /liberty/?

Aside from how hilarious the idea of maple syrup smuggling is, why are modern-day "foundations" like this allowed? Aren't they just modern recreations of the medieval guilds, with many of the same effects?

>Yet the rebels continue to complain about what they see as the federation's heavy-handed tactics, such as Daniel Gaudreau, a producer from Scotstown in southern Quebec.

>He says that in 2014 the FPAQ accused him of selling more than his allotted quota, and so seized his entire production. This year, he says, the federation even posted private guards on his property, and is now suing him for more than 225,000 Canadian dollars.

Jesus Christ how horrifying. How does one prevent such "foundations" or guilds or cartels from coming about and gaining government power?

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35028380

Hey /liberty/

Leftypol is reading Stirner and you are invited: >>>/leftypol/469044

/lit/ tea party

Hey guys. I like you and I like /lit/, and you're more well-read than these faggots over at /fit/, so I thought I'd invite you over to /lit/'s crossboard tea party:

>>>/lit/7861

Hope you have fun. See you there!

>front page last updated 2 days ago

Cripplepaste must really hate us.

holy shit all dat doublethink

Do College Students Hate Free Speech? Let's Ask Them.

>free world

Best countries to start with anarcho-capitalism

http://morelibertynow.com/libertarians-somalia/

"If the petty tyrants Fidel Castro and Che Guevara can take Cuba from its imperialist oppressors with an initial force of just 82 fighters then a committed organization of a few hundred well-armed, -trained and -funded libertarians can set up a peaceful base in Africa – a base that will not only liberate us but also free a continent, bring prosperity and stability to the world’s poorest and serve as an example to the world for centuries to come of the healing power and necessity of liberty."

Can a genocide occur in an Anarcho-Capitalist society?

No.

Possible Bitcoin creator unmasked, house immediately raided by Australian police

These articles by Gizmodo and Wired exposed his identity, citing circumstantial evidence and an interview with the alleged person behind the Satoshi Nakamoto pseudonym.

https://archive.is/UgPrH

https://archive.is/4IvV1

>According to a cache of documents provided to Gizmodo which were corroborated in interviews, Craig Steven Wright, an Australian businessman based in Sydney, and Dave Kleiman, an American computer forensics expert who died in 2013, were involved in the development of the digital currency.

Mere hours after they publish, the police raid his house. He appears to be long gone.

https://archive.is/nxDgF

>More than 10 police personnel arrived at the house in the Sydney suburb of Gordon at about 1.30pm. Two police staff wearing white gloves could be seen from the street searching the cupboards and surfaces of the garage. At least three more were seen from the front door.

>Guardian Australia understands the raids are not related to the claims that Wright may have been involved in the creation of bitcoin, but are related to an Australian Tax Office investigation.

>One officer said they were “clearing the house”, Reuters reported.

The house was the only one on the street with a rubbish bin still outside, six days after the weekly Thursday collection, and the letterbox was full, indicating that the house may have been empty recently.

>The treatment of bitcoin for tax purposes in Australia has been the subject of considerable debate. The ATO ruled in December 2014 that cryptocurrency should be considered an asset for capital gains tax purposes.

Capitalism is thinly-veiled collectivism.

Prove me wrong.

pro-tip: you can't

I'll just leave this here...

ITT pictures of what you have to study for finals.

Bonus points if it's liberty-related.

Pic related is what I've gotta do a test on in about three hours. This is about the only page in this book that's worth reading since a goal of voluntarists should be to know how to control an argument to get defensive or constructive responses.

Is econ deliberately made to be boring and gay? The whole thing is mindless table referencing, plug and chug and assorted faggotry. It's just funny noticing the bullshit made to artificially complicated it so economists have a job. But as a society we shouldn't tolerate this faggotry.

And worse you faggots force me to take this bs when all I want to do is science and math. Thanks for making society less bearable for those who actually are interested in how the universe works instead of propping up shitty systems that enslave people.

This really fucking triggered me

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-wants-to-ban-the-internet-will-ask-bill-gates-to-close-it-up-a6764396.html

https://archive.is/30gfj

Will ask Bill Gates to "close the internet". O I am laffin

Dr. Yaron Brook, Equal is Unfair - The Inequality Advantage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08

What do you do when you aren't smashing the state, /liberty/?

I like to read books (I recently bought a copy of Dante's Inferno), teach myself (was trying to learn Russian, but I dislike it so I might try to pick up moon runes instead), and lift weights to get juicy as all fuark (3pl8 deadlifts, baby)!

How about yourselves?

Leftypol's Revolutionary Catechism

(with added punctuation)

1. The revolutionary is an enormous faggot but also a big guy for holodomor. The State is totally great for oppressing the grain burning kulaks who did nothing but spout dialects.

2. The revolutionary solidarity among petit porkies is rather homoerotic when you cold in guillotine.

3. The revolutionary always keeps his/her DILDO and FUCKING FRUIT JUICE in alienated circumstances. Spooked paranormal detectives (while enabling the liquidation of each) JUST FUCK MY prolapsed asshole while gibbing gorrilion gulags. Watch anime, desu! Critical support for ending human life. The 9/11 in a specter is important cause for anime proles.

69 . GOmmunizmm

5. Anarchist cant count. Desu, desu, desu… Fix your site! Desu… desu… desu? ANAAL FISTING CAMPS? Desu! Desu! Desu!

6969 Execute Autistm Weeaboos (desu desu desu - Desu To GULAG).

7. Leftypol must be designated shitting streets of urban SiBeria. Designated desu streets MAKE TOTAL DESTROY in the name of the desu: Ultimate Vanguard Party, X-Pac's prolapsed anus, Hitler and Stalin.

9. Leftypol must be pretty horny today filled with relentless - full of desu. Loveing Great Leader? Lust for life.

12. Leftypol must be licking someones gaping lack of knowledge (all the salt of Fundamental Memes). Learn to dialectics, you fucking faggot, with one Zizek.

13. Leftypol's revolutionary must suck the cock BOMB Wall Street in the name OF GARL MAXIMUS. Yuiposter's cute face with ISIS-chan doing lewd acts. (Ebola-chan is sexier with Scat Fetish, but so undialectical.)

69696969 Garlus MAXIMUS Kekunus

(consider suicide)

14. Ancaps are all AN heroes with great revolutionary potential except that occasionally they fail to taste the guillotine.

Get laid!

Immediately die painfully,

Mountain Dew Causes

UK #Cuckservative Prime Minister Applauds #YouAintNoMuslimBruv

VIDEO: UK #Cuckservative Prime Minister Applauds #YouAintNoMuslimBruv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e5lqJO-HL0

At a press conference on December 7, UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, delivers a progressive 'rousing' Cuckservative speech in response to the recent terrorist attack at Leytonstone tube station declaring the 'brilliance' of the passer by who said 'You Aint No Muslim Bruv' to the incapacitated Islamic terrorist. While giving minimal attention to the heroism of the people who tackled the knife wielding Jihadi, David Cameron preferred to give greater applause to a cultural phenomenon of vicariously watching horrific events rather than attempting to prevent them.

More focus is given to downplaying and softening the impact of these violent events rather than tackling the issue of why they happen. It's as if resistance to reality is a greater heroism than the actions of people who courageously and selflessly take the initiative in stopping them.

An apologist hashtag isn't going to stem the tide of radicalism among Muslim youth in Western nations. People can close their eyes and ears all the want, but like the baby playing peekaboo, shutting off your own senses doesn't mean you are invisible or immune to the world changing around you.

Politicians prefer apathy, they prefer nativity. #YouAIntNoMuslimBruv represents the blind inability to see whats right in front of you. This is the first case in which apologism for the inspiration of Islamic terrorism is occurring during the event, even while the blood of the victims is still flowing. Most apologists at least have the decency to wait until the event is over.

In a way, the progressives are right, #YouAintNoMuslimBruv does represent Modern Britain. The broken, emasculated society that perpetuates illusion over visceral reality that is boldly expressing itself right in front of their very eyes. Peekaboo!

Is murder justifiable from a libertarian perspective in cases of child (or ex-wife) support? Let's say after ending a relationship with a woman you're condemned to give her her of your income for nearly the rest of your life, isn't that the same than being slaved? Even when we adhere to the NAP and reject violence libertarians and classic liberals of ye olde never shunned violence in such enormous cases of injustice.

Magatte Wade Busts African Poverty Myth

(Repost from /n/)

Magatte Wade Explains Poverty In Africa

https://archive.is/5ORVZ

>I recently spoke with Senegalese-born “serial entrepreneur” Magatte Wade, a leading light in a new effort to raise Africa out of poverty. She said there is only one answer: Africans must lift themselves up by their bootstraps. Indeed, she said, outside help often hurts the cause, not least by reducing the pressure to correct the systemic barricades to economic growth that now exist.

>These days Wade is becoming a familiar face on college campuses. She particularly relishes the opportunity to meet with college students because she knows who her target audience is. “I always try to speak to the leftists – the progressive people who don't get it.”

>“I know your conservative audience will get what I'm trying to say. But I want to say it in a way the left-wing person can hear.”

>A printed copy of the employment laws in Senegal would fill five trucks, she said. In the end, those laws create a system of employment guarantees that are sure to kill any new business. Wade sums up the issue, saying, “If I can't fire you, I can't hire you.”

>In the Congo it takes 18 documents to import goods; another 18 are required for exports. Each of these documents must include a signature, with each signature costing $500. “How do you think any small entrepreneur could do that? Could anyone build a business there?”

>he says American taxpayers are rightly fed up with donating their money and seeing no results. She suggests tying funding to regulatory reform, or simply tying it to improvements in the recipient nation's ranking on the Fraser Economic Freedom Index. “We know if they do better on that index, they're going to do better economically,” she said. That would be a great improvement on “the very silly things” the donor agencies now promote.

>Wade added that much of the aid is simply stolen by those in charge. “On the Stossel show, I said, 'Look no further than the people who make most of that money – Chanel, Dior, Mercedes, people selling real estate on the French Riviera.”

>She added that “there's something surreal” about watching American professors, mostly white and male, and most with no business experience, promising to teach Africans to be more entrepreneurial. “The patronizing that goes on. It's unbelievable.”

https://archive.is/osikQ

>As if poverty weren’t a challenging enough phenomenon unto itself, time has revealed that good intentions by outsiders can in many cases make the problem worse — a cruel irony that serves as the basis of Michael Matheson Miller’s “Poverty Inc.,” an easy-to-understand docu-essay with a tough-to-accept message, especially as it implies that some aid organizations may actually be cashing in on their concern. The idea isn’t to discourage giving, but rather to illustrate how the current paradigm doesn’t work, providing clear examples and practical solutions that serve as a useful conversation-starter flexible enough to enrich discussions everywhere from college campuses to community churches — in addition to activism-oriented film festivals, of course.

>Miller’s point could hardly be more apparent than in the case of a Rwandan egg farmer who was just getting his business started when a well-meaning American church decided to send free eggs to his starving countrymen: Overnight, the local entrepreneur found himself unable to sell his own goods in the market, and though locals benefited for a short time, when the church turned its philanthropic attention elsewhere, it had driven the farmer out of business and inadvertently crippled the local egg economy.

A little on Magatte: https://archive.is/aJrU6

Her Company's Website: http://www.tiossan.com/

Another Youtube Clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRFF699nftE

Leytonstone Terror Attack (FULL): The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

VIDEO "Leytonstone Terror Attack (FULL): The Religion of Peace Strikes Again"

In response to #YouAintNoMuslimBruv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptnq4qJahS8

Spread around. This one hits home.

"On December 5, an act of terror occurred at Leytonstone tube station in East London, UK. As people were coming home from Christmas shopping on Saturday evening, a man wielding a machete slit the throat of an innocent bystander and injured two others. Some witnesses feared the terrorist intended to behead the man. As the 29 year old alleged Muslim man threatened bystanders, he declared "This is for Syria!. Police nearby were able to subdue the man but only after multiple attempts at tasing him.

This video contains multiple eye witness footage accounts synced together to capture the entire event. One bystander declares "You're not a Muslim, bruv" and yet almost all incidents of terror are committed by Muslims. Studies and statistics show that a rather large minority of Muslims sympathize with these acts, especially among male Muslim youth.

Muslims make up 4% of the population in England and Wales but are a staggering 14% of the Prison population. Violent crime has increase by 23% across England and Wales while Rape crime has increased by 50% yearly in London alone since 2008.

While the bystander may feel that that terrorist was not a follower of Islam, it is very clear that there is substantial evidence to suggest there is a direct link between Islam and crime, particularly violent crime. This is not being addressed and as this climate of fear grows, as the UK continues a foreign policy of destabilization in the Middle East, so too will the climbing crime statistics and incidents of terror. Victims deserve an answer and citizens deserve a justification for both the down right dangerous policy of mass immigration and an aggressive, expensive foreign policy which does not suit the interests of the citizenship and certainly not the victims of failed governments in the Middle East. Under the Conservative government, net migration has hit an all time high despite claims to reduce immigration. As our previous video showed, no one in the UK government is willing to address this despite petitions signed by over a half a million British citizens.

As the video shows, multiple Western governments are seeking to ban this discussion and any opposition to Islam. This is a direct attack upon Freedom of Speech which again, the majority of citizens support and were not asked if they wanted prohibited.

Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace. We suggest viewers watch the videos of David Wood who breaks down Quranic texts and exposes the inherent nature of Islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id30lq1PS2I

Another suggestion would be to watch Bill Warner's video which shows the history of aggressive Islamic expansionism over 1300 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

This is NOT a video justifying the continued destabilization in the Middle East. We directly oppose any further intervention in an already complicated situation which will only provoke more violence and backlash. It is this very destabilization which has led to the catastrophe of the Migrant Crisis flooding Europe which Europeans neither asked for and certainly do not support.

Governments need to answer for their policies which the vast super majority of citizens do NOT support."

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment . . . unleash the cops to clea

How do we justify this?

Keynes

What's wrong with Keynes? I at least know that the Austrians sure as hell hate him, and more specifically, Keynesianism?

It's pretty clear that Kyubey was a libertarian, constantly trying to coerce Madoka into a "mutually beneficial, voluntary" contract.

But does that mean that Madoka was a communist?

Native Homesteading

Just learned about the Homestead principle… So you guys want to return the Americas to Native Americans, and GTFO back to where your ancestors came from?

Non-Disclosure Violations

If a woman discloses information that violates a nondisclosure agreement (such as the creation of a super-serum to make everyone a better/faster/stronger/smarter person, or the secrets to genetically engineering cat girls), in a free society, should she be subject to pay the fines of nondisclosure, or the lost revenue when those trade secrets are inevitably utilized to create a cheaper, better product for the public? If she should be sued for the lost revenue, then does it matter that the public is better off because of her violation of the non-disclosure agreement?

Pics unrelated.

Are you ready for World War III?

duplicate from /n/

http://8ch.net/n/res/219042.html

https://archive.is/yNies

So how exactly are large corporations any different from the government and vice versa? Both organizations control people's lives in one way or another, swim in money, too big too fail, full of power-hungry assholes who love to put on this show of being holier than thou but in reality would gladly stab you in the back for more power, etc. The difference really seems to be superficial.

So why is it ok to restrict one but not the other? Both should be restricted for individual freedom.

inb4 but muh collectivism is ok because it fits in the capitalist framework

So how low is low? How about robbing and beating up a man with cerebral palsy, stealing his cellphone, using the phone to film yourself beating him up, then posting the video on the victim's Facebook page

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2015/12/01/pontiac-men-charged-videotaping-beating-disabled-man/76627032/

pic unrelated

2spooky

In the spirit of Halloween let's talk spooks. I've included a copy of The Ego and Its Own to read while you pass out candy. Here's some starter questions:

>Are you comfortable with embracing "the heroism of the lie"? Is deceit a mean that justifies the ends? Can a "union of egoists" form a community respecting others self-interests, shifting into different leagues and alliances to serve the interest of each member? Can a true egoist temporarily compromise on the higher good of eigenheit because he feels stability would lead to greater results? Or would egoism lead largely to isolation and limited voluntary exchange, rejecting the concept of society as a mess of obligation?

>Stirner argued that love and self-interest are mutually compatible but that love should only exist if it makes one happy and should be tossed away if it doesn't. Divorce rates have been rising for some time now and it seems like stable relationships aren't quite as stable anymore. People in the first world are also having fewer children, lessening their familiar obligation. Is his vision of egoist love coming to pass on a societal level?

>Should Stirner be the poster child of "no fun allowed"?

>Is the influence of Stirner on Marx extremely ironic, or am I just an idiot who doesn't understand Marxism?

Young Greek women are selling sex for the price of a sandwich

>Young Greek women are selling sex for the price of a sandwich as six years of painful austerity have pushed the European country to the financial brink, a new study showed Friday.

>The study, which compiled data on more than 17,000 sex workers operating in Greece, found that Greek women now dominate the country’s prostitution industry, replacing Eastern European women, and that the sex on sale in Greece is some of the cheapest on offer in Europe.

>“Some women just do it for a cheese pie, or a sandwich they need to eat because they are hungry,” Gregory Laxos, a sociology professor at the Panteion University in Athens, told the London Times newspaper. “Others [do it] to pay taxes, bills, for urgent expenses or a quick [drug] fix,” said Laxos, who conducted the three-year study.

>When the economic crisis began in Greece, the going rate for sex with a prostitute was 50 euros ($53), the London newspaper quoted Laxos as saying. Now, it’s fallen to as low as two euros ($2.12) for a 30-minute session.

>He said his wide-ranging study showed that the number of desperate young women — the ones offering the cheapest sex — appeared to be on the rise. “It doesn’t look like these numbers will fade,” he told the Times. “Rather they are growing at a steady and consistent pace.”

>Prostitution is legal in Greece. The study showed that most of the Greek women just coming into prostitution are between the ages of 17 and 20.

>The study comes after a shocking report last month of an unemployed Greek mother pimping her 12-year-old daughter to a priest and a retired man for money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/young-greek-women-selling-sex-for-the-price-of-a-sandwich-new-study-shows/2015/11/27/c469695e-94d9-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html

Wow I get to suck and fuck dick for 2 euros and I get to be pimped out by my mom at 12 years old to old men. Thank you Madame Angela Merkel and the Pimps at the EU, ECB and IMF (Troika) for pimping me out for 2 euros! Finally I have LIBER-TEA!

Confederate States of America

Who >>>/confederate/ here?

It's obvious to me (and others) that even with "slavery," the CSA would have been more Libertarian and supported more Libertarian rights than the Lincoln administration did, setting the standard to lead to a Voluntary society.

There will be BTFO

So leftists call any profiting off of someone's labor exploitation with regards to capitalists. Basically, if you're presently doing (from the leftist's perspective) "nothing" to profit off of something you have, you're an exploiter, and we must violently appropriate your property to remedy this economic inequality.

I'm inclined to say, even if a relationship fits some leftist's definition of "exploitation:" so what? As long as it's voluntary, who cares if both sides are free to leave and end the relationship; but let's take it for granted that if something fits the leftist definition of exploitation it's evil and universalize the principle: exploitative relationships warrant a revocation of property rights/complete disregard for them.

Let's say Jane is Joe's wife, and she's the only other woman for hundreds of miles on the frontier, and will only have sex with Joe, a cattle rancher, in exchange for 10 healthy cows being put in her name (she would otherwise have little property); just to preempt any crude suggestions, we'll say the cows have feline AIDs that are transmissible to humans so that's not an option for Joe. Jane did not let on that this would be her standard prior to marriage, and divorce (for the sake of this thought experiment) is forbidden. This is an exorbitant rate, even with what cattle are worth today. Even though Joe is a generally great guy, this woman refuses to allow Joe access to her body, her property, and is trying to extort his surplus value in exchange for access to her vagina, something she didn't even earn! It was just given to her by biology, the effort she put towards maintaining her vagina is far less than the effort a person has to put forward to save enough money and build enough experience to gain access to a significant quantity of capital goods. Jane is trying to take a massive amount of resources from Joe in exchange for access to her property, logically speaking, this is a form of exploitation that would justify Joe forcing himself upon Jane if she won't allow Joe access to the means of copulation. This is far worse than denying someone access to means of production because means of copulation are not earned by literally any of the people that possess them.

Let's just make it clear, I don't actually think rape is morally acceptable, this is just a reductio ad absurdum.

Another example. Let's say we have two proles, Nedey and Eyntitled (woman and man respectively), Nedey offers Eyntitled 50 trillion rubles to protect her while she makes 1,000 trillion rubles whoring herself out. Exploitation! Why should Nedey profit off of the means of copulation while Nedey is having his surplus protection value exploited, clearly Eyntitled is justified in making a sex slave out of Nedey.

Another example, let's say Prole Ayy offers Prole Lmao 5 apples in exchange for 100 oranges. Clearly this would be an exploitative relationship, so Prole Lmao is justified in taking the 5 apples by force and telling Prole Ayy to go fuck himself.

Checkmate, leftists, your theory of exploitation justifies force = retarded.

Just in general, the idea that we must resolve economic inequality with a coercive inequality is insane.

Mises declares Ralph Nader is right.

The Mises Institute is agreeing with something Ralph Nader said.

https://mises.org/blog/ralph-nader-right-feds-stimulus-hurts-ordinary-people

What fucking bizarro world am I living in?

>temporary non-libertarian means to achieve libertarianism

Thoughts?

Every thread from socialists, ever

Librul Terrier BTFO again

Debate

Hey /liberty/ so I'm in college debate and I am working on my "Anarchy" file. Basically I'm looking for evidence, if you guys have any interesting stuff for me to include please add it here. If you don't want to help, no problem, no need to shitpost but I'm sure the gommie will anyways.

Relevant terms for the affirmative side (which argues that "yes" on behalf of whatever question, like should the US decrease its military presence)

Significance: How big of a deal is this.

Solvency: How does the plan fix problems identified, and is the plan even possible

Harms: What are the problems with the current system that warrant fixing

Inherency: Why isn't the affirmative's plan happening already (this can range from legal barriers to existential barriers that it "just isn't happening because there isn't a good reason it would")

Topicality: Is the affirmative's plan even relevant to the resolution.

Say the resolution the aff can choose from is one of 3: The US will significantly reduce its military presence in the Greater Horn of Africa, South Korea and Japan, or the Persian Gulf states. If the aff's plan is only to remove WILLING interpreters from Iraq, the negative can argue that this reduction is not insignificant, and that this reduction deviates from all expert usage of "significant," and the "so what" of this deviation is that it is unfair to expect the negative to prepare arguments against on-topic plans (significant reductions) as well as off-topic plans (insignificant reductions.)

Imagine the affirmative plan, with regard to the states of the Persian gulf, was to remove all troops from Europe and use those troops to feed starving children in South America, clearly this is outside the scope of the resolution and gives the affirmative extra ground that the negative could not have reasonably expected.

Advantages and disadvantages: advantages are the good things resulting from the plan (reducing military presence reduces the factors of radicalization) disadvantages are negative effects (reducing military presence results in a loss of assurance in our allies who may then seek to get nuclear weapons as a result)

Counterplan, just going to borrow a definition: "The negative can present a counter solution to the affirmative case's problem which may or may not go against the resolution. This is generally accompanied by on-case arguments that the counterplan does not solve, as well as disadvantages that link to the affirmative case but not the counterplan. Counterplans narrow down the on-case arguments to: advantages the counterplan can not borrow, the inherency, and the solvency. Upon the negative running a counterplan, most debates boil down to the solvency of the affirmative case, and the disadvantages."

Kritiks: German for critiques, basically saying the affirmative has a bad ontology (understanding of the world), epistemology (understanding of legitimate knowledge) or they have a bad viewpoint.

I've created /Objectivism/.

Post if you wish.

What's wrong with a central bank?

welfare recipients are lazy bums, idle Rich Kids of Instagram are job creators

MUH LIBER-TEA MUH PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS

VIDEO: "Zionist MP Dismisses Popular Anti-Immigration Petition in UK Parliament"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esGHUAZlF58

Hide your shekels & attempt to contain your sides. You've never seen such kvetching in your life. A survivor of the Spanish Inquisition is here to tell you why a popular petition against immigration in the UK is offensive.

Would Bane be allowed in a libertarian society?

audball

-Libertarian news site

-Just got started

-Will pay you bitcoin if you make audio recordings of news that you were going to read anyways

http://audball.co/pages/

Go to the bottom of the page, become a reader.

No, I don't work for them, just thought you guys might be interested.

Statism vs Liberty

Topkek

EU to control Bitcoin after Paris's terrorist attacks.

Looks like the European Union, with "safety" as an excuse, will try to extend control on Bitcoin within the next few weeks. Do you guys believe that this will have an effect on Bitcoin's market value?

I think that this may have a reverse effect as the one the Chinese prohibition caused. People already knows that Bitcoin can not be controlled by any government so its viability won't be questioned this time. My theory is that maybe this time prices will skyrocket instead of plummet because there could be a massive urge to buy them before controls are implemented. What do you guys think about it? I'm considering to spend ~50€ in Bitcoins for the first time and this looks like a good moment to do it.

Sources:

https://www.inverse.com/article/8384-european-union-wants-to-crack-down-on-bitcoin-after-paris-terrorist-attacks

http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/11/19/terrorists-win-european-union-to-crack-down-on-bitcoin-post-paris-terrorist-attacks/

How would this be different in an "anarcho"-capitalist society?

Hint: nohow.

What are your thoughts of Charles Bukowski?

BASED as fuck

Hey guys.

http://bunkermag.org/ethics-private-property/

capitalists btfo

BTFO!!!

So basically Keynesians led us to an economic golden age at first only then to lead us into stagflation in the 70's and 80's only then for the Washington Consensus to pop up which led to modern say neo-liberalism?

Keynesians also were the original supporters of having a central bank?

And monetarists called Keynesians out for their bullshit in the 70's and 80's?

sry for the autism

do libertarians intend on deregulating child sex slavery? you fucks want to deregulate everything else, but no one ever wants to address this question. whats your stand, retards…i mean libertarians?

Post libertarian reaction images/webms/gasden flag shit

Average Joes Thread

>tfw you just want to live an average life

>tfw everyone is against your desire to live an average, normal life; Republicucks, Democraps, NEETSocs, Commie bastards, SJWs, etc.

>tfw you were driven to libertarianism/anarchy not because you really care about it all, but because it's the only ideology that doesn't want to persecute you

>tfw you'd be happy/not even care about the form of government if said government would just leave you alone/let you live your average life

How does /liberty/ feel about recreational dank meme programs? What's the general consensus on how far if at all cannabis should be restricted?

BOMB

Putin destroy ISIS (this is a real picture)

"Russia Pounds ISIS With Biggest Bomber Raid in Decades"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/17/russia-pounds-isis-with-biggest-bomber-raid-in-decades.html?via=twitter_page

What's /liberty/'s take on Free Will vs. Determinism?

It seems that determinism is a key component of statism while free will is a key component of libertarianism. Also it seems free will is a key component of individualism and determinism is a key component of collectivism.

>tfw you can't decide which is worse between communism, capitalism or socialism

Mainstream "liberals" are reactionary totalitarians

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/paul-bernardo-book-disappears-1.3319838

The general public opinion seems to be unanimous in their view that Paul Bernardo, a high-profile convicted child killer/rapist serving a life sentence (with no chance in hell of parole), must not be allowed to publish his novel. They believe that as a convicted felon with no chance of parole who has done really awful, awful things, he has no right to free speech. I can't stand reactionary liberals who like to say they are for freedom of speech. But then they turn around and want to take away that freedom from people they don't like (as well as take away our guns, take away our large sodas, etc). Just because you support Paul Bernardo's right to freedom of expression, doesn't mean you actually agree with what he did. Or whatever views he may be expressing in his novel.

I believe that Amazon had a right to take his eBook down if they feel that it's bad for business (meanwhile they let Holocaust Denial literature and David Duke work on their website. Why is that ok but Paul Bernardo's work is not ok?) But these freedom-hating "liberals" want to ban Paul Bernardo from having freedom of expression at all. That's the issue here.

Greeting from /leftypol/. I'm a social democrat on fiscal policy and a civil libertarian on social policy. A left-libertarian I guess. Why do I feel the need to point out that I'm a social libertarian? I'm tired of SJWs hijacking mainstream liberalism and wanting to rule things with an authoritarian iron fist. SJWs who hate our freedom (free speech, gun rights, etc.) are #NotMyComrades.

A Debate Thread for Civil Discussion

A debate thread, where hopefully 8chan won't shit the bed.

I just thought we could contain the cross-boarding in one thread that is not glitchy as fuck, and the last one reached nearly 320 replies, so here we are.

Any leftist posters that are still here can contain the banter in this thread, but I would urge civil discussion and less shitposting.

CAPITAL THEORY OF A VALUE

Presenting, the Capital Theory of Value (CTV):

The capital theory of value (CTV) is an economy theory that argues that the economic value of a good is determined by the total amount of socially necessary capital required to produce it, rather than by the use or pleasure its owner gets from it.

When speaking in terms of a capital theory of value, value, without any qualifying adjective should refer to the amount of capital necessary to the production of a marketable commodity, including the capital necessary to the development of any labor employed in the production (education involves capital necessary to the development of laborers.)

If Adam Smith were around, he'd probably word it something like this:

The real price of every thing, what every thing really costs to the man who wants to acquire it, is the opportunity cost of using the capital goods for other efforts, or replacing those capital goods with other forms of capital. What every thing is really worth to the man who has acquired it, or wants to exchange it, is the cost it can save himself, which it can impose upon other people.

Value "in use" is the usefulness of this commodity, its utility.

Value "in exchange" is the relative proportion with which this commodity exchanges for another commodity (in other words, its price in the case of money).

Value (without qualification) is the value of capital goods embodied in a commodity under a given structure of production. Value is the 'socially necessary abstract capital' embodied in a commodity.

Since the term "value" is understood in the CTV as denoting something created by capital, and its "magnitude" as something as proportional to the value of capital goods involved, it is important to expain how the capital process preserves and adds new value in the commoditis it creates.

The value of a commodity increases in proportion to the duration of the use of capital goods, quantity of capital goods involved, and productivity of those capital goods on average for its production. Part of what CTV means by "socially necessary" is that the value only increases in proportion to this capital as it is added with average complexity and average productivity. So though capital goods may vary with complexity and productivity, these more productive capital goods produce more value through the production of greater quantities of the finished commodity. Each unit still bears the same value as all the others of the same class of commodity. By being maintained poorly, some capital goods may drag down the average productivity of capital, thus increasing the average capital time necessary for hte production of each unit ommodity. But these damaged capital goods cannot produce goods valued at a higher price simply because they took longer than other capital goods producing the same kind of commodities.

So, what's your excuse, librultee?

am I making sense?

capitalism is technically "money" "ism" basically capitalism is in a way a religious belief in- and false idol worship of capital and/or currency.

capitalism as a system as a whole is simply a slightly better disguised version of "wage slavery" that has been designed from the ground up to be a system that is easily manipulated by those few people at the top who hold more money than everyone else in the world combined.

>The cure to BAD regulation is GOOD regulation, not NO regulation; that just leads to cartels and you're right back where you are now. Regulatory capture fools so many young libertarians into thinking that regulation itself is inherently bad when what you need is regulation to keep the free market free and break up cartels.

Of course the solution is without a doubt NOT anarchy, however:

>The solution to everyone finding loopholes in everything and breaking the rules by getting around all the rules

>is to make more rules

capitalism as a system itself is flawed. currency, money is flawed.

French Revolution

What are /liberty/'s thoughts on it? Good/bad? Would you side with the monarchists or the Jacobins?

My Adolescent Experiences

>Be me

>Be 12 years old, grade 9.

>Teachers make student council every year

>One girl, who looks pretty and completely follows the teachers' instructions gets chosen every fucking year

>I sit quitely in class (and bored most of the time), never get in fights, talk politely, and score in top 3 of class everytime.

>Curious, I go and ask a few teachers what the criterion for choosing a suitable student was.

>"Anon, we choose students who have good academic performance, are punctual and can carry out simple instructions"

>Icandoit.jpg

>I also had a huge crush on said girl, and it was either both of us on the council or both off it for me.

>6 months pass

>The girl has now turned dishonest, skips classes in the name of "meetings" that never happen, and charms her way to increasing a few marks by talking with teachers and smiling and laughing at whatever they say.

>I stop idolizing her, and then I just started ignoring the council.

>Now, it is time for the school picnic.

>We go to a national park.

>There's a lake, and most children are standing near it.

>Everyone kept their bags in a line, on the other side.

>Now, power was on this girl's head, and there had been another girl who had disrespected her.

>Power girl decides to throw her bag in the lake.

>See her picking up my bag.

>ohshitno.jpg

>My MP3 player was in the lake.

>rage mode

>"Hey, idiot, whose bag do you think you threw?"

Power girl: *checks* *double checks* "What are you talking about, anon? I never threw a bag."

>Run to the teachers, tell them what heppened.

>Girl tries to garner sympathy, starts crying, saying she never threw in any bag.

>I tell her to stop lying

>She tells the teachers that I threw her bag in

>Teachers gang up on me.

>"Why are you lying Anon?" "We'll get you suspended, Anon!"

>Tell them to follow me to the lake

>Lo and behold, my bag ripped.

> Fish out my ID from the water.

>Teacher: "Still doesn't mean Power girl threw it" *looks at power girl*

>Power girl is flushed red. Every student is staring at her.

>"Okay, I did it."

>Me : Pay me back for my damaged stuff and fish it all out.

>Power Girl: " I-I have a cold!"

>fucknoyoudont.jpg

>"Don't lie."

>Give her a stick, tell her to fish everything out.

>Crying anger now, she fishes my stuff out.

>The next day, she is removed from the council and teachers ask if I would like to be in it, because I possess "exemplary crowd-control skills"

>better late than never

>my first task: silence ~200 children for the morning assembly

>wat

> teachers are casually chatting

>children are intentionally talking

> fuck this shit

> resign on spot

>run and stand in crowd as fast as I can

>notice power girl looking at me

>"Mind your own business, power girl."

>she starts crying

>feel bad all of a sudden, I had a crush on her after all.

>Hold her hand and tell her not to cry.

>Absolute chaos at this point, everyone is shepherded back to their classes.

>power girl kisses me that day after class.

>We go to the same college 3 years later

We're married now.

She brought me a new bag the day I turned 13.

>inb4 OP is a liar

no, this really happened.

funposting on /liberty/ is not like funposting on other boards.

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What happened to the literature thread?

Europa In Crisis

"VIDEO: Europa In Crisis"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=didI5fT7xLg

New video on the immigrant invasion of Europe. Best watch it before they likely take it down.

Related article:

"‪‎Europa‬ In Crisis Part III: Why is the democratic agency of native Europeans important?" ‪

https://archive.is/qOYpG

>Every illegal immigrant who enters will have a key vote in how the state operates. Over a million people and more will be claiming asylum in Germany alone, many more settling in other parts of Europe. This adds over a million foreign voters into the German political sphere. A million people who will eventually be given suffrage despite the vast majority unable to even speak the language. This mass of Africans and South Asians doesn't share any cultural, linguistic or historical ties with the German people. They barely share the same genetics outside of the Caucasian migration many tens of thousands of years ago. The stories Germans and other Europeans tell their children, the values they bestow and the incredible cultures they continue will be lost over time. These stories shape a nation and without them, the nation will no longer exist.

>A German institution even seeks to disband minimum wage in Germany to compensate for the new illegals which should give you a good idea of the real agenda behind this influx. Rape and violent crime has already skyrocketed in regions where they are present, the police are either incapable, or more worryingly, prevented from maintaining order. Entire communities of working and middle class backgrounds, both urban and rural will be completely uprooted, further separating the social and cohesive lines between citizens, further isolating people and preventing worker groups from seeking better pay and conditions. This loss of European agency is an attack upon the European future. This is by design. This is divide and conquer.

>This is an invasion. When large groups of foreign peoples enter your territory & seek to take land and resources while changing your political structure, that is an invasion. You are being conquered. When the state confiscates land or hands over social housing to foreign migrants using taxpayer revenue, your land is being taken from you. You are essentially paying tax to a horde of invading barbarians. The only difference between the 7th century invasion of Europe by Muslim Arabia to today is that Europeans today are not defending themselves.

>Make no mistake, the future of Europe is at stake. There is no happy rainbow at the end of this. Europeans will have to make a choice, to stop this and fight for their future, or be conquered.

New video on the immigrant invasion of Europe. Best watch it before they likely take it down.

Related article:

"‪‎Europa‬ In Crisis Part III: Why is the democratic agency of native Europeans important?" ‪

https://archive.is/qOYpG

>Every illegal immigrant who enters will have a key vote in how the state operates. Over a million people and more will be claiming asylum in Germany alone, many more settling in other parts of Europe. This adds over a million foreign voters into the German political sphere. A million people who will eventually be given suffrage despite the vast majority unable to even speak the language. This mass of Africans and South Asians doesn't share any cultural, linguistic or historical ties with the German people. They barely share the same genetics outside of the Caucasian migration many tens of thousands of years ago. The stories Germans and other Europeans tell their children, the values they bestow and the incredible cultures they continue will be lost over time. These stories shape a nation and without them, the nation will no longer exist.

>A German institution even seeks to disband minimum wage in Germany to compensate for the new illegals which should give you a good idea of the real agenda behind this influx. Rape and violent crime has already skyrocketed in regions where they are present, the police are either incapable, or more worryingly, prevented from maintaining order. Entire communities of working and middle class backgrounds, both urban and rural will be completely uprooted, further separating the social and cohesive lines between citizens, further isolating people and preventing worker groups from seeking better pay and conditions. This loss of European agency is an attack upon the European future. This is by design. This is divide and conquer.

Libertarian books thread.

Could we have a freedom-leaning and libertarian book thread?

Pro individual rights, free market, austrian economics, debunking gayyynesians…

I'll dump what I have so you get what I mean.

Judge Orders NSA to Stop Collecting American's Phone Records Immediately

The judge who called the NSA’s collection of all phone records “almost Orwellian” and likely unconstitutional just ordered the controversial surveillance program to be shut down immediately.

https://cryptome.org/2015/11/klayman-158-159.pdf

US District Court Judge Richard Leon ordered the NSA on Monday to stop collecting American phone records, as the program’s continued existence for “even one day is a significant harm” to Americans’ privacy.

“This court simply cannot, and will not, allow the government to trump the Constitution merely because it suits the exigencies of the moment,’ ’Leon wrote in his decision. “Although the Court appreciates the zealousness with which the Government seeks to protect the citizens of our nation, that same government bears just as great a responsibility to protect the individual liberties of those very citizens.”

The first-ever article based on top secret NSA documents leaked by Edward Snowden revealed the telephone bulk metadata collection program in June of 2013. Ever since then, the program has been the most controversial, and the most discussed, at least in the United States.

The ”government bears just as great a responsibility to protect the individual liberties of those very citizens.”

https://archive.is/KEMrb

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/judge-orders-nsa-to-stop-collecting-americans-phone-records-immediately

Daily reminder that anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron

What does /liberty/ think about paleoconservatism?

As a former libertarian, I found that paleocon kinda cements in the liabilities of an ancap system, and while as far as laws go, you can be as libertarian socially as you want, societal norms discourage this. I'm not trying to shill my thoughts, pls no bully.

Are paleocons welcome here? I would think so, seeing as they're the same distance from libertarian as libertarian is to minarchist. I guess I'm just excited that the libertarian right has a board again.

https://voluntaristicsociety.liberty.me/a-free-market-alternative-to-anarcho-capitalism/

I think it can provide some business ideas for insurance companies but this is wrong from the begining.

Bernie Sanders

"GIMME FREE STUFF": The presidential candidate: the movie: the game: the movie

Seriously, why is there so much support for this guy?

Cuck Training

>>>/n/188352

A girl gets raped in Swedish school,undeniable proof, the rapist molested girls before. Other rapists like him molest girls all over Sweden.

Father didn't kill rapist.

School calls father a racist instead.

None of the boys in the school so much as beat the rapist up.

This is real rape and feminists are nowhere to be found.

Government enforced, institutionalized cuck training.

And you thought every Swede trained to have a cuck baby inside his wife was just a joke.

My view

Hey guys im a Anarchist and Communist but i believe in a society that contributes equally for the survival of their nation.

>Freedom of choice and freedom of personal path.

>No form of money but a credit based system that allows you to obtain goods that help you survive like medicine, water and food.

>A form of government that have centers for jobs that everyone is allowed to get to contribute unless you farm your own food and have your own wells for water. (Contribution is optional but you will not receive the credits for requisitions unless trade.

>Entertainment is for special requisition so others may get these items but through some form of trade or alternative incentive.

>Milita based system that people may volunteer for (private militias are acceptable.) and the ability to protect the nation against those who would take from others even if it is on ourselves.

>Government militia counts as a credit incentive for entertainment.

>Any disturbance is not a government issue. Murder, theift, etc is judges by families and not authority.

I have more but its a longer type out.

Trans Pacific Partnership.

So what does /liberty/ think of the TPP.

Personally I'm all for free trade and all that. But the intellectual property chapter and the stuff regarding pharmaceutical patenting and data protection seems pretty shitty. Not to mention all the secrecy surrounding the negotiations.

New Sargon video, shitlords.

Hayek quoted and mentioned.

Who /thirdpositionist/ here?

Would you defend someone's freedom of speech when they advocate against it?

A question for you, /liberty/:

Have you taken the Mike pill yet, friends?

It's a pretty easy pill to swallow! The Mike pill was founded in 2015 by Sir Michael Schiteposter, who made an impressive amount of shitposts on /intl/ while behind seven American proxies.

Forget red and blue pills, Mike pills are the way to obtain supreme confidence and the ability to make effective shitposts.

Picture related. Please leave your questions, comments, and concerns below about this radical new paradigm of thinking!

Swallow the Mike pill today! Red pills are for fedora fucking wearing faggots, blue pills are for the ignorant masses. Ignore the other le epin /pol/ maymays, this one is the real deal.

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How does this make you feel /liberty/?

What drives people to collectivism, /liberty/? And what are the collectivists you know like?

>Be law student

>Germany

>Third semester

>Internship for two lawyers

>Visiting a hearing in a criminal court

>Two dumb youngsters robbed a gas station to get money for a party

>Pleb-tier criminals, get caught easily

>One of the judges endlessly asks the client of the lawyer I'm working for about his drug habits

>howthefuckisthatrelevant.jpg

>He admits to taking weed and amphetamines

>Later hearing

>He's sentenced to three years

>The judges wish him good luck for the future because fuck you

>Leave the room

>His sister walks up to me

>Asks me how it went

>"Three years"

>She completely breaks down

>Never heard anyone cry so hard in my entire life

>Fast forward one year

>Hearing criminology and juvenile delinquency law

>Find out that the verdict was complete shit

>No link whatsoever was established between the drug habits and the crime

>They probably sentenced him for being low-grade junkie, not for the robbery

>Disgust overcomes me

>Start hating judges a little more that day

I KNOW WHY NOTHING HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER

people were waiting, following all the signs that were happening, everything was falling into place and the economy was set to have an immeasurably huge crash, JADE HELM 15, and all the like was all set to come crashing down all at once. I'm not here to prove that "OH LE NO ANOTHER HAPPENING IS HAPPENING" I'm here to say that I know EXACTLY why nothing insanely important happened in september.

The reason is: everyone would not shut up about it. people everywhere and the entire internet exposed everything and screamed to the top of their lungs "THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING" and people actually made themselves ready, people prepared, the government got scared, and everyones mom said you going to live with your aunti and uncle in bel air.

you and me and everyone else opened the door, exposed all the truth on the floor, and we all walked the dinosaur.

-=-

do you understand what I'm saying? we lifted the curtains, we wrote a complaint to everyone. WE TOLD THE TEACHER ON THEM.

probably their only stupid backup plan was to let "nothing" actually "happen" so that everyone would run around screaming AHAHA I TOLD YOU NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN! I TOLD YOU YOUR STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES WERE FALSE YET AGAIN!!!

but I'm here to tell you that you all did great. a handshake to 8chan and a salute to liberty and freedom.

Be nice?

In discourse should libertarians strive to be as civil as possible?

In a talk with Tom Woods, Michael Malice brought up the point that the left has often been extremely derogatory and aggressive, yet they have been very successful. Does it work? It seems like treating the opposition with complete contempt would tap into the non-rational part of peoples' thinking and make them more disposed to prefer the least-demonized side of the argument.

Is deriding opponents on top of refuting them a good idea? I'm inclined to say that civil discourse is the best course of action when debating in person one-on-one or in an academic context, but when someone says stupid shit like deregulation caused the 2008 crisis or borrowing money to fund NASA doesn't increase the national debt because the money gets spent on US soil I often find myself debunking such claims on top of calling people idiots etc. good or bad idea?

Thoughts on RMS?

Anyone else noticed the seemingly cyclical nature of liberty and tyranny? If so would you agree we're in the increasing tyranny part of the cycle?

Third Amendment Rights Group Celebrates Another Successful Year

WASHINGTON, DC—The National Anti- Quartering Association, America's foremost Third Amendment rights group, held its annual gala in Washington Monday to honor 191 consecutive years of advocating the protection of private homes and property against the unlawful boarding of military personnel.

"This is a proud day for quarters-owners everywhere," said the organization's president, Charles Davison, in his keynote address. "Year after year, we have sent a loud and clear message to the federal government and to anyone else who would attack our unassailable rights: Hands off our cottages, livery stables, and haylofts."

The NAQA was created in 1816 in response to repeated violations of the Third Amendment during the War of 1812. The organization quickly grew in influence and cites its vigilance as the primary reason why the amendment has only been litigated once in a federal court since the Bill of Rights was ratified. The organization is also arguably the country's most powerful political lobby; every politician elected since 1866 has fully supported Third Amendment rights.

"The framers of the Constitution provided the American people with the right to have their homes free of troops unless Congress mandates otherwise during a time of war," Davison said. "Thanks to our tireless efforts, six generations of civilians have never known the cruelty and duress of quartering unruly foot soldiers."

Davison recalled the "dark days" of 1982, when the federal case of Engblom v. Carey threatened to strip Americans of their fundamental Third Amendment freedoms. The ruling by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals acknowledged that the State of New York had indeed violated the Third Amendment rights of the plaintiffs. The case, according to Davison, was "a chilling reminder of how even an established 200-year-old right hangs by a slender thread."

"I don't think people fully understand how close we came to completely losing such a basic right," Davison said. "If the Second Circuit had ruled otherwise, we'd be living in a world in which soldiers would be quartering amok upon our very hearthstones."

Davison expressed pride in the NAQA's grassroots involvement at the local level, citing the association's direct-mailing campaigns and its fully staffed regional centers where citizens can report Third Amendment rights abuses. The NAQA also holds quartering-safety seminars for citizens interested in learning how to effectively defend their households against U.S. troops seeking shelter.

Davison reiterated the organization's promise to oppose pro-quartering legislation should any ever be proposed.

"Keep the fat hands of soldiers out of America's larders!" Davison said to rousing applause. He was quoting the NAQA's familiar slogan, which can be found on T-shirts, bumper stickers, and other merchandise sold on the group's website.

Davison ended his address by warning of the dangers of the NAQA resting on its laurels.

"Pro-quartering advocates are waiting for just the right moment to stick a bunch of troops in our homes," Davison said. "Well, I say to them that we will never allow this to happen. You can count on the true patriots of the NAQA to ensure that no chickens and livestock will be appropriated, and private stores of salt, brandy, candles, and vinegar will stay firmly where they belong: in civilian hands."

The NAQA is known for its quick and aggressive mobilization when it believes Third Amendment rights are at risk, and has rushed to the defense of homeowners it believes are being illegally coerced into housing American soldiers. Last month, 200 NAQA members marched on a private residence in Fairfax, VA after receiving a tip that the owners were being victimized by three Navy seamen demanding prolonged quartering. They ended their demonstration, however, when it was discovered that the sailors were brothers on shore leave visiting their parents.

Davison, 49, has headed the NAQA since January, replacing longtime president Lawrence Frost. Frost, 58, left the organization to chair the Citizens Committee for the Right to Drink, a 21st Amendment rights group committed to the continued legal status of alcohol for Americans of drinking age.

http://www.theonion.com/article/third-amendment-rights-group-celebrates-another-su-2296

The Holocaust

Let's settle this once and for all, guys: Did the holocaust happen?

/liberty/ cringe thread

Found this goldmine of economic illiteracy on facebook today. Please enjoy.

How can people actually not care about their liberty? Do they just not understand what it means? Are they just dumb animals who only realize what they lost when they get trapped in that cage and try to bite and claw their way out when it's too late instead of preventing the deterioration of their liberty as it was happening?

Insurance Against Libertarian Disasters

Dear /liberty/,

If you're so confident that environmental destruction and economic monopolization will not happen under a libertarian society, then why not prohibit these things in law with the intention that they may never be used? So that if you're wrong, then we still have a backup?

>inb4 muh slippery slope

>inb4 OP can't inb4

/metal/ Halloween Beer Party

Greetings, /liberty/. /metal/ is having a Beer Party on Halloween, and you've been invited. Feel free to come over on the 31st at 6PM central time, get drunk, and shitpost with us.

>Day 45, Anarcho-Capitalist revolution took place just a month ago

>Have a beautiful son and daughter, love them to death

>Their mother was shot for violating NAP. Fell into depression after her death. She was pregnant with our third child too…

>Halloween is coming around

>Heh, the kids always have asked me what traditions America had before the Libertarian Revolution.

>Told them their was this thing called Halloween, you'd go out and receive sweets from people, all for free

>My Children work 19 hours a day, so when they come home after their work I tell them about these old traditions.

>Anyway, they want to experience this October holiday

>A little regretful about telling them this, not sure how this would work out

>Tell them Landlords might not approve of this

>They don't want to listen. I-I tried to tell them, but they wouldn't listen

>The holiday comes

>They walk out of the house

>Immediately they are met with landlords, they need to pay high prices to walk 30 feet on a small trail to the nearby house

>They pay up with the wages they were given for their work toiling Capitalist land. After two months of labor it all adds up to 30 dollars

>They manage to pass, making it to the house

>They proceed to ring on the doorbell

>Mr. Johnson, our neighbor, kills my son instantly with a Mossberg. My son was entering his property without paying, and he was indeed treading on Mr. Johnson, so my son in a way, deserved it.

>My daughter looks horrified, her brothers blood all over her slave rags workers clothes.

>She runs away from Mr. Johnson's rightfully defended private property, back to our home

>Even when she asked Mr. Johnson if she could have candy, he yelled at the top of his lungs, calling her a communist, whatever that meant. Something about the candy redistribution policy. It came with the NAP, and it's anti-state.

>She runs back home

>She's stopped by eight different entrepreneurs offering basically the same job at different sweatshops

>She evades them, only to get shot in the leg

>She forgot to pay for walking on the road back to our home

>I witness my own daughter bleed out on the street

>mfw

Liberty never felt so good.

Liberty isn't a problem of politics but technology

You shouldn't expect freedom from capitalism or socialism or any societal ideology. Society is a structure bound by chains. Its parts (people) dependent on each other are not free. True liberty can only exist through self-sufficiency. And for that the only solution is a technical one. Setting up a system free from others that provides all your necessities and is under only your direct control is a matter of technology. Any and all proposed social bandaids are political spooks wasting your time to keep you chained to the social system that feeds off you. The way out of this animal farm is to no longer depend on it.

Daily reminder

It's the Jews. Always the Jews.

The Libertarian Republic

What do you think about this site, /liberty/?

>mfw authoritarians on free speech forums

thanks for proving me and the rest of the freedom loving sane people right

>2007

Holy shit, the amount of financial regulation is absurd, and if you look at the federal register, it has been increasing heavily without stop. If an economic crash were to happen, there is no way that it could be blamed on the free market.

>2008

>Lack of government regulation caused the '08 crash!

…why, /liberty/…fucking why?

Trump: "Democracy? We can't have it anymore."

This is what Trump really thinks of your liberties.

price of freedom

http://www.slashgear.com/ocean-empire-super-yacht-is-self-sustainable-costs-17-million-19127294/

>$17 Million

http://www.sautercarbonoffsetdesign.com/ocean-empirelsv4.html

>44m Solar Hybrid LSV with 2 Hydroponic farms and fishing facilities to harvest the sea.

>70kw Solar Array and illuminates 2 Hydroponic farms

>Wind which Powers an Auxiliary 80 sq. meter 200kw automated SkySail that drives the Ocean Empire to 18+knots and charges her GM ESS2 Battery Systems

>Energy from Waves captured by Motion Damping Regeneration (MDR)

Which protester do you sympathize with more and why?

Would you like a piece, /liberty/?

8chan 2nd Anniversary Art Contest Results

Some may not know this, but there was an art contest on the 23rd of October where the winner's piece would be displayed on the front page with a chosen showcased board. Most artwork used board-tans of course.

http://8ch.net/

In http://8ch.net/operate/res/38319.html out of the 11 submissions we were showcased in the largest board-encompassing one. Pic related (he hastily referenced a streetfighter picture irc). Our de facto board-tan monster-girl rattlesnake from the Gadsden flag that /monster/ made for us irc was illustrated. He rushed it due to time restraints, especially the coloring. The reason why some of them look strange or manly is because he drew over another character; Baphomet and hotwheels are the biggest examples of this.

The other guy in the 4th pic submitted his work and selected /liberty/ to be his board of choice if he won. While his main board was /pol/, he said something along the lines that he chose /liberty/ because freedom is the best red pill.

Ultimately, our guys lost but the gesture was nice.

I also want to apologize that I submitted the monster girl as our board tan during the contest. I wanted a tan representing us quickly so that it would have a better chance of being picked for the artwork. Sorry that I didn't ask first.

Regardless, Happy Infinite Anniversary.

MPAA Behind Obama's New Joint Strategic Plan on Intellectual Property Enforcement Online Gestapo

The MPAA has asked the U.S. Government for help in its efforts to reach private anti-piracy agreements with search engines, domain name registrars and hosting services. The Hollywood group believes that these three industries have shown "lagging progress" and should do more to deter online copyright infringement.

Following the failed SOPA and PIPA bills, entertainment industry groups have switched their efforts away from legislation and towards voluntary cooperation with various stakeholders.

This has resulted in several agreements in which Internet providers, advertising agencies, payment processors and other companies are more actively involved in deterring piracy.

These deals have been encouraged and facilitated by the Obama administration, often outside public view. The Copyright Alert System, for example, was negotiated with help from Vice President Joe Biden.

Despite various lobbying efforts the movie studios haven’t been able to strike a satisfactory deal with the domain name industry, search engines and hosting companies.

“…at least three areas have shown lagging progress: the use of domain names for unlawful conduct; the prevalence of piracy websites on the first pages of search results; and the use of data storage services to host websites trafficking in stolen content.”

To motivate various stakeholders to take action, the MPAA wants the U.S. Government to intervene. The Obama administration is currently working on a new Joint Strategic Plan on Intellectual Property Enforcement and the MPAA says that voluntary agreements should play a key role.

https://8ch.net/nanal/res/9.html

>mfw commies think they'll create a revolution in 'Murrica

>mfw they don't even realize peer-to-peer technology is more AnCap than socialist

>mfw services continue to improve for everyone

>mfw they don't understand the difference between charity and robbery

>mfw 80%+ of business is small business, despite the media fuss

>mfw they don't realize counter-economics are capitalistic in nature

>mfw socialist hippies who are successful rely on capitalist models and charity, not taxes

>mfw life's looking better and better for AnCaps and Libertarians

>mfw they seriously believe we're on a downward spiral somehow

>mfw all the Southerners with guns who will cause a revolution are Capitalists

>mfw socialist protesters will fail because their main demographics rely on voting instead of defense

>mfw world poverty is on the decline because of capitalism, and will continue to be so due to the efforts of businessmen and women like Magatte Wade

It's a capitalist world and you're living in it. The only question is if we'll have violent revolution towards more capitalism, or a peer-to-peer counter-economics revolution (peacefully) that brings about more capitalism. Go make your voluntary co-op and get over it.

udilidanarianism xdd

My go-to critique of utlitarianism is a reductio ad absurdum which is based off the fact that utilitarianism does not respect any negative rights.

One iteration: Under utilitarianism, rape is permissible. If it can be shown that drugging a woman, or merely using a comatose woman for the purposes of being sex objects for men could aid in the maximization of human happiness. If the woman is drugged and doesn't realized what's happened, what she doesn't know doesn't hurt her, and this in particular applies to the comatose woman.

The only counterarguments to this are (that I can think of):

(1) That there would be more happiness-maximizing alternatives to this, like fleshlights or something. The counter-example would be that there is a large group of men (without STDs) who are absolutely miserable because they've never had sex with a real woman, and thus would be far happier if they had the experience.

(2) This is confusing happiness with pleasure. That's a bullshit, subjective counter-argument. Does raising a child cause happiness or pleasure? Mills would have said happiness, but science tells us there's a great deal of pleasurable hormones, meaning it's far more of a hedonistic pleasure than intellectualizing lets on.

(3) Rights would be guaranteed because such limits to authority would create a sense of justice, which would bring people a deal of comfort with society. Counter argument: They can retain that sense of justice as long as this sex-program is handled cleverly, and secretly (and the media is controlled, because control of the media + an illusion of freedom is arguably better for maximizing human happiness, as opposed to pointing out all the tragedies and scandals in h