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Welcome to /liberty/!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!

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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
http://www.gutenberg.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

Librivox
https://librivox.org/
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

iTunesU
Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
https://www.marxists.org/archive/index.htm
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Question for Ancap Legal Lawyers

Does it violate the NAP, if my gf blows me and chokes on my dick for a second??

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"Anarcho"-capitalism is not real anarchism

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Why did libertarianism fail so dramatically in post-Soviet Russia?

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is capital just past labor?

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F.C.C. Plans Net Neutrality Repeal in Victory for Telecoms

So /liberty/, what are we gonna do about it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/technology/fcc-net-neutrality.html

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Is water the ultimate enemy of anarcho-capitalism?

>zero sum game

>essential to life but increasingly scarce

>does not respect borders of property

>incredibly hard to manage even at a country level

There's simply now way it could work without a centralized agency.

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Is Varg losing his shit?

He sounds pretty psychotic in his latest video.

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Can /liberty/ survive an encounter with the American Police?

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>Liberals Actually Believe This

You too can be the proud owner of a AR-15 with a chainsaw mount!!!!!!

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Stalin on liberty

He has a point you know

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What do you anons think about red market?

>No NAP

>No Golden Rule

>Real free market

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"Intellectual property" breaks markets and ruins capitalism.

Free market resource production is supposed to tend toward a commodity equilibrium where everyone is putting rutabagas onto the market and competing on price results in efficient rutabaga pricing. Instead, you have twelve million different retards trying to sell Maxturbago Brand POWER RUTABAGA cups with Vitamin C compatible with the Maxturbago Juice Fuzion Juice System and it just results in mass retardation and confusion.

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Liberty to Statism

I remember quite a long time ago, there use to be a time in which their was a fairly sizable libertarian population on /pol/. However, as time went on, many of these people either left due draconian moderation or they themselves went full NatSoc. Throughout my time on /pol/, I have encountered many who claimed to be former libertarians and even An Caps who turned to statism. I just have to ask, what turns people who were at one point lover's of freedom to authoritarians? Is there anything that can be done to convince those that statism isn't the answer to the problems they are looking for?

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Need some spoon feeding

I've heard people say that Austin Petersen declared he'd become Lord Humungus if AnCap land ever happened. Where did this come from? I've tried searching.

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AnCap Oligopoly

Wouldn't AnCap be mostly Oligopolistic in nature because newly privatized industries like defense and forensics companies would still have barriers to entry like paying for expensive equipment or employing highly trained people. I feel like for a group that loves to berate the left for "being economically illiterate", hardly ever talks about real economic concepts such as this. Many Libertarians and AnCaps have this view that everything under Anarcho-Capitalism would just be perfect competition where anybody could enter any industry at any time and start a business. There is also the fact that oligopolies exist in unregulated markets like video games with a few firms like EA, Ubisoft, and Activision. Who, own their own, can do enough damage to cause the industry to crash. I could picture a scenario where a DRO might end up in conflict with a forensics company over rights over a crime scene or evidence in a terrorist attack kind of how video game developers and publishers will often squabble over various game project rights and deadlines.

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Open Borders?

Should the government regulate immigration? I say "yes".

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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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How will the Free Market handle this?

Human population will inevitably outstrip natural resources. Peak Wheat and Peak Oil production have already been reached.

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Are there any specific changes in the law that led to the rise of capitalism in 19th century?

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>spend decades arguing that ancapism is a logical necessity

>reality still refuses to be ancap

what went wrong

why won't the world work the way I want it to work?

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who would win

zizek or dugin?

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NEET Life is liberty

>no taxes

>no rent

>free food and education

>free entertainment

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This is what libertarians did to the right. Are you satisfied? Are you proud?

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howdy partners, i am conducting a survey about the logistics of increasing renewable energy use as compared to fossil fuel energy. would you help a child out and respond to the survey? it's for a school research project. here's the link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeTCgXK20O9XzS2ltzcQjrBhHJiU7w442Cg3a4XP0lvVhtNXQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

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"Anti-racist" is a codeword for anti-white, "Diversity" is a codeword for white genocide

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Goodbye Dollar, Hello 'Petro': Venezuela's Maduro Announces New Digital Currency

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Goodbye-Dollar-Hello-Petro-Venezuelas-Maduro-Announces-New-Digital-Currency-20171203-0017.html

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free speech board

hello lolbertardians

i have started a new board >>>/1917/

it's a free speech / open discussion board. i'm trying to get a mix of ideologies. honestly i get the feeling some of us are visiting 3 or 4 boards a day simply to find 1 or 2 good threads.

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I'm shocked /liberty/, many still on this board still do not understand the difference between private and personal property.

Private property is property wherein the owner is not the user or utiliser of the resource- rather, he extracts rent from the owner and utiliser of the resource. This extraction of rent doesn't increase society's capacity for production; it's simply a way of widening the inequalities in society and creating a vampiric and lazy upper class

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OC dump thread

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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Police

Why are libertarians such copcucks these days? Does an issue suddenly not become libertarian once niggers whine about it?

Police shouldn't retain the power they have over regular citizens. How are lolberts not upset about this?

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Post /liberty/ themed music

I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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Methodology General

This is the thread for people that want to prove that praxeology is magic or that the historical school did nothing wrong.

Picrel is an early post of mine. I remember some anon wrote a very good, constructive critique of it where he talked about Hayek, but sadly, I didn't save that.

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YouTube Censors Polish Government’s Video Exposing Catastrophic Migrant Invasion

https://newswars.com/youtube-censors-polish-governments-video-exposing-catastrophic-migrant-invasion

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what did he mean by this

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To Christian Libertarians

Secular libertarians are probably going to reply to this thread as if the thread subject wasn't there– Whatever.

How do you justify Libertarianism when the bible seems to be against Libertarian-style free speech? For example, one of the holding tenets of freedom is that "what other people do can't harm you, its unrelated to you". Yet the bible says:

Leviticus 19:29 Do not profane your daughter by making her a harlot, so that the land will not fall to harlotry and the land become full of lewdness

It seems to clearly state that sins other people do also do come and affect you, and most people do fall.

There are other things I should note too.

Matthew 6:22 The eye is the lamp of the body. If your vision is clear, your whole body will be full of light.

(Note: Apocrypha) Ecclesiasticus 9:8 “Turn away thine eye from a beautiful woman, and look not upon another's beauty; for many have been deceived by the beauty of a woman; for herewith love is kindled as a fire.”

I wish I could have found less quotes about lewdness specifically and more about general sins but they're the ones that came to mind when I was making this thread

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Can you be Catholic and libertarian?

Not sure if this should be in >>>/christian/ but as a libertarian, it seems very hard to rationalize capitalism being accepted by the Vatican.

Excerpt from the Catechism.

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Have I found the board for me?

Yes Iv'e looked at the guide to see if I should be here but I wanna make sure.

>Went to 4 chan's /pol/

> People Shilling and being ironically anti-Semitic/actually anti-Semitic spooked me away

>Went to /leftypol/, communists and Antifa sympathizers made me nope out of there faster than you can say OY VEY!

>Found this board

Is this the board for me?

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KORWIN THREAD

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Let's make it happen

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new clip from kelthuz

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energy survey

hello, i am conducting a survey on the logistics of increasing renewable energy use in the united states. please help by responding!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeTCgXK20O9XzS2ltzcQjrBhHJiU7w442Cg3a4XP0lvVhtNXQ/viewform?usp=sf_link

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does Homo sapiens have different races?

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IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED????

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Q?

Where is the "Q" threadepchoa

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Regulations vs Market Progress

List some of the things you wish had less government regulations. Don't just say "everything." For me I wish there were less regulations on the development of Thorium for energy production. The US almost had a chance to be energy independent and now we are like sloths while India and China begin moving into this field.

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During the inevitable upcoming U.S. civil war, how should we treat captured commies and nazis?

Helicopter memes aside, we capitalists, libertarians and conservatives are the last voice of reason. If we fall, America as we know it ceases to exist.

What should the militia's policy be regarding PoWs?

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The Pholosopher

Damn! This woman really makes me to give her bitcoins in exchange for fucking her.

What does /liberty/ think about the pholosopher ?

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>freedom

>class

>proletariat

>porky

>aryans

>wheatfields

>individualism

>collectivism

These are all spooks and mean nothing. An ideology consisting of Blood & Soil featuring Cyberpunk is the only rational conclusion that can be drawn from looking at the current state of affairs.

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In a pony-human relationship; who is master, who is property, and who is free?

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I lean much more towards libertarianism than the average /pol/ack. And I miss when there used to be decent debate on the board. But explain this, faggots:

>Support BLM

>non-whites dindu nuffin

>gays need more gibs

>illegal aliens deserve citizenship

>attention whore Snowden is a patriot

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Statism is idolatry. Prove me wrong.

All the elements of an organized religion are there. There is a blind faith that nothing is impossible to the state, an expectation that the state take care of all our problems, and we even have people coming together by the thousands to chant weird slogans. During the last presidential election, you had the losers crying like their mother just died and the "winners" (there were no winners) treating Trump like he was the Second Coming.

If you can find an english translation of it, I recommend Mit Brennender Sorge. Pius XI warned the Germans in 1937 that they were worshipping a surrogate God.

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Since companies cannot exist without the state, what would be the economic unit of production in the ancap utopia?

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Tankies or Neocons

Who is worse, tankies or neocons? I feel like these people are both stains to the left and the right. It's almost like a bad joke. "So a NeoCon and a Tankie walk into a bar" or something like that.

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Marriage

>sign a contract, which can be changed randomely by the goverment, as it was historically

>prenub parts in the future might just be ignored, when some future goverment will just change marriage again, prenubs already are pretty worthless

>allow your wife to live independent of you, but still dependent on your money, if she leaves you, which is a complete reversal of the natural order

>no fault divorce means that she can break the contract by for example cheating on you, but it doesn't count legally

>the law about martial rape that if she wants to, she can accuse you of rape and the fact that she is your wife will not be considered for the accusation

>you automatically are the father for every kid she births and you need her consent for a parternity test

>if she leaves you, she not only gets to continue to live dependent on you, but she also gets half of your stuff, even if she didn't have anything to do with it

>the definition of marriage has changed so much that it's purely a legal construct and doesn't represent the most ancient social institution at all anymore

>this all doesn't even take into account any children you might have had with the women and how the courts and goverments favour the mother in most case

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSD2WW8xieY

And left wing faggots have the NERVE to talk about how our culture is "shifting". That monogamy is unrealistic, because apes have orgies all the time. And women are SO independent and free now and marriage was basically just a tool to oppress them.

Incentives trump culture. Or else obviously we wouldn't be in so much of a mess.

So even if you find that traditional woman, you marry in her early 20s or younger it will still not make marriage a good idea.

Her just witnessing the break up or divorce of one of her friend's couples will significantly increase the likelyhood of you divorcing.

So, do you see now why marriage is not a good idea? Do not get married. No, not even a prenup. It's not worth it.

Call it marriage if you want, but don't get legally married.

You are consenting to a contract, which can randomely get changed without your consent and gives heavy incentives for the woman to immideatly move on the moment she stops loving you completly.

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Should suicide be legal? Should preventing suicide be illegal?

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What is it about autocracy that you can't not admire, /liberty/?

Is it their ruthless efficiency? Their lightning-quick responsiveness in military conflict? The incredible admirable qualities of their alpha male leaders? The fact that you are all a bunch of collectivist anti-individualist betas who could never build a society that exhibits these things?

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If praxeology is so logical why is it not mathematically formalized? That would surely force all honest person to admit that it is indeed completely logical and has no errors or hidden assumptions or whatever.

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petition to label george soros a terrorist!

For those who don't know! we need your help!

>>>/pol/10521219

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Cummies

Why are you guys always talking about cummies in helicopters? I thought that's what vans are for?

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Towing a car vs stealing a car

I was walking back from work today, when I saw a moving van get towed down the street. I'd assume that the towing company would claim that they have a legal right to charge money for the van's return. However, there was also probably stuff inside the van, belonging to people unaffiliated with the moving company (except as clients). This got me thinking:

Can somebody explain what differentiates stealing a car and holding it ransom vs towing a car and charging for its return? Is it the fact that the car was on private property without permission? If so, what stops people from claiming "towing rights" over anything on their property? Can I hold someone's shoes for $100 because they walked on my carpet without wiping their feet? Can I lock people in my basement until their family gives me $10,000 because they trespassed on my property? How would property rights be enforced with regards to towing in an minarchist society? Would you imagine it being different in an ancap society?

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should usa liberate wenezuelan people?

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Pragmatic NeoLiberalism?

Henlo, friends of liberty.

I consider myself to be a neoliberal, but not the Merkel-tyre internet restrictions.

Generally, neoliberals use the force of the state to accomplish goals, and those goals

are based in market action and forces. I feel this is contradictory, which is present and

obvious. So, in what manner can neoliberalism be applied that it does not impact

true liberty?

Thanks, have a meme for you

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Investing in Africa

What financial investments could I look into that would eventually lead to a decline in Africa's birth rate? Birth control pills, DIY vasectomy/abortion kits, etc.

I'd pay solid dollar just to have less niggers in the world tbh.

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Should libel and defamation be protected by the first amendment?

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Robots Taking Our Jobs

Don't have much to say on this topic as its late and I'm not even gonna try to say something coherent, so have this video and discuss your thoughts on robots taking our jobs and how that'll affect us in the future.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

How accurate is this?

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Yeah, surveillance is an invasion of privacy, and should be stopped. Wait, I'm constantly being monitered and having my privacy violated by private companies? That's fine with me.

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Wow

What happened to this board? It used to be slow and used to have walls of conversations……

Now, not so much.

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What comes after liberal capitalism? It can't last forever.

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New meme

I am designing a new open sourcepublicly funded meme to quickly dismiss low quality bait. What other statist problems can I put on this image, and what can I do to increase its overall aesthetic?

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So much for that wall

Ingenuity knows no barriers in the War on Drugs. The market always finds a way.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-15/trumps-border-wall-no-match-mexican-drug-shooting-bazooka

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Historical Economics

Hello everybody. Over the last two years, I've read a good deal of economics. Most of it was from the Austrian School, but I also tried the Chicago School (didn't like it), Marxism (oh boi) and a bunch of other stuff. What I'm still missing, however, is the less current stuff. So far, I think those are the relevant ones:

>Physiocrats

>School of Salamanca

>Classicals (Smith, Ricardo, Malthus etc.)

>Assholes (Keynes, Marshall)

Anything I am missing? And can someone give recommendations on the former two?

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Did Marx just BTFO himself?

Capital Ch.1 Sec.1

"Lastly nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value." - Marx

Yet utility is subjective.

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Hello niggers

I heard some of you had some juicy proofs the /leftypol/ BO is a tranny. Can you be a comrade and pass the meme

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Peter Toepfer: On German National-Anarchism

Any NatAn's here?

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Marxism is ___

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>02:45

>I spent lots of time studying the left before I became a public intellectual

>public intellectual

Molybert has always been pretty full of himself but lately it's becoming hard to watch.

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The McNuke

So I know that there's a pretty common meme among both AnCaps and non-AnCaps about "Recreational nuclear bombs," but if you think about it, what would stop somebody from actually buying and/or making a McNuke? Like, having a state or McPoliceForce^T.M. stop the production of them would be in violation of the N.A.P. but it seems reasonable enough. This isn't like guns where you actually have a use for them. The only use for McNuke would be mass murder. (Which if you didn't know is a violation of the N.A.P.)

If your ideology comes to the conclusion that average citizens can have nuclear bombs, don't you think you should question the underlying assumptions that the ideology makes? (i.e. free market solves everything.)

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How the fuck would private courts work when there is no coercion to make people show up there or to execute their verdicts? Secondly, why the hell would you think this is even remotely a good idea when corporations decide as to what legal system you have to subscribe to? Self-interest would dictate that they would choose a legal system with the least possible employee or consumer protection, or none at all.

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Top Kek, California!

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I believe a strong central government must have the power to ensure liberty. AMA

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/leftpol/ and their mental filters

/leftpol/ is not a serious board.

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Based Nasrallah Bread

Someone has to say it, this guy is brilliant

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ITT: We analyze what's on based Hoppes bookshelf.

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Tor General

General thread for Onion Relay folks.

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Is accusing populism of being undemocratic populism by itself?

And why is democracy a holy cow that nobody should be able to question?

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Lauren Shillthern is walking around asking women whether they would prefer a child or a dog/marriage or a free netflix account.

Guess what happened?

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Gold Standard

Why do you want to go back to the gold standard? What makes it different from any other fiat currency other than its scarcity? What if we had a diamond standard?

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Have you accepted the Triumvirate? Are you LIT?

I am sure you can all relate. We used to just purely call ourselves Libertarian, but especially with what crazyness is going on in the world and even in our very own movements, that wasn't enough.

How can I just say that I have no opinion on mentally ill men dressing up as women and society catering to them by calling them women, except … yeah I'd tolerate that?

How can I just tolerate it, if the enemy is pushing on it and it seems probably that they would even forcefully transition your own child, if it got the wrong idea and you wouldn't be able to stop it?

Or the equality bullshit.

Also I am not going to repeat all the arguments, but I have come to embrace ethno-nationalism as the most sensible way to organize states and societies, given we self-segregate already, when left to our own devices.

So I have embraced the holy and glorious Triumvirate of:

>Liberty: Libertarianism

>Identity: Identitarian

>Tradition: Traditionalism

I am LIT.

We won't use simply Nationalism, because it's too close to civic nationalism idiots. "I just want them to come in legally". ← That is not a real political position and certainly not actual Nationalism.

I won't use Conservatism. Conservatives will forever be cucks in my eyes. It doesn't mean anything. Traditionalism is a much better work to describe that.

So the question is, are you man enough to embrace LIT?

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Why do agorists believe that feeding organized crime will somehow weaken the state? Don't they realize that the state and the mafia are never rivals and it's not unheard of to have significant overlap between the two?

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Nepotism

How does liberty deal with the fact that most jobs are given out through networking while normal applications usually go straight into the trash.

Socialism hasn't found a way to deal with it as socialist countries used to have a state apparatus that was rotten to the core.

Democratic capitalism is ridden by corruption as well.

How can it good for a society if the willing and (cap)able have less of a chance to find work than the popular and well connected ones?

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Can we get rid of all the banners with commie shit in them? The few leftists that step out of their hugbox consistently refuse to argue in good faith.

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Fallout: New Vegas

>Where every man is free to follow his own path, do his own thing. Where every man is a king in his own right.

Is he /our guy/?

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what do you think about evolutionary psychology guys? is any of you in it?

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/liberty/ tier Youtube channels

Even with the demonetizing bullshit, Youtube alone is a driving platform for statist ideologies, especially right-wing channels and they are influencing a ton of people. The lack of /liberty/ youtube channels on the platform is not as much of a problem as the fact that these few channels barely have any views in comparison.

I'll name the ones I know and are probably known here.

Brave The World:

https://www.youtube.com/user/BraveTheWorldChannel

Mr. Dapperton:

https://www.youtube.com/user/hxcrocker75

Free Man Beyond The Wall:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRu_WNcX0WgBQDurM1MR7ZQ

Actual Anarchy:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh9ovtqQy9MkNuQZ6pqyBOA

Read Rothbard:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6scWmxurT38iUMU9NTW_ig

Hoodie Demon:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh0KJrqUaScnDb6G0Um1LJw

Stephan Kinsella

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5yRxMzdtzbVVdaLmItrZug

Liberty.me

https://www.youtube.com/user/libertydotme

misesmedia

https://www.youtube.com/user/misesmedia

The Voluntarist Consumer

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtf5O_Ii4KGQnvbg9FHTYxg

Esoteric Entity

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd4qlr7fHZxUsN2LJK8DLCw

Mike-the-cat

https://www.youtube.com/user/mikethecat1000

V for Voluntary Library:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_bomzJWFozc5PREYlyoqw

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Debt: The First 5000 Years

Since we were discussing this book in another thread, I thought I'd just bring this up. In his book, Graeber makes an exception for the Mengerian theory of currency development wherein he states that barter only precedes currency in situations where trade occurs between strangers or in a society which had just lost usage of a common currency. The second caveat is exceptionally perplexing, as it seems to fly in the face of his early anthropological accounts. It would logically follow that a society with prior knowledge of currency would first decide upon a medium of exchange by consensus rather than having one spontaneously arise through barter. Graeber never asserts that this is the case–quite rightly, since the anthropological data would contradict it. However, in such circumstances, barter must first occur in order to establish market values of goods so that a salable medium of exchange may subsequently arise, regardless of prior knowledge of currency, c.f. cigarettes in POW camps. Such processes occur quickly, as barter economies are otherwise doomed to byzantine commodity exchange rates. Thus, Graeber's caveat is meaningless. There is no reason for this not to be the case in primitive societies that predominantly use credit. It would be impossible to establish a currency without knowing what the exchange rate between multiple commodity debts, effectively necessitating a barter economy of IOUs. Graeber thinks that this doesn't occur because of an "everyday communist" spirit inherent in such primitive societies. If this were indeed the case, mankind would've never advanced past very basic Neolithic settlements, since resources would be allocated in complete disorder as nobody would be able to determine their values through exchange. Ergo, you get an equally jumbled mess as that observed during a protracted barter economy. I understand that even the most ineffectual means of social organization can work for a small enough commumity, but for such a social unit to have made up the majority of human prehistory seems implausible. Plus the "interaction between strangers" that he brushes aside were hugely important for establishing trade and disseminating cultural practices. Could somebody from /leftypol/ explain how this doesn't completely contradict his theory? I'm gonna need something more precise than the economic relations being "transformed."

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Perspectivism

Seeing that most of us here adopt a subjective theory of economic value but reject moral or ethical relativism, is it really possible to accept an objective, unified theory of natural law? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that we use a consilience of perspectives to assess the overall validity or objective measure of a proposition?

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How can you claim to be anti-authoritarians when you want to give unlimited authority to property-holders while advocating for an ethical system that deems rebellion against that authority as the only unethical thing possible? At least the state pretends to defend your rights and limit the control of proprietors, you want to create a world where the minority has absolute authority and power over the majority.

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Market Fundamentalism

>Open up a book I downloaded

>"The Limits of the Market"

>Look at the list of figures

>Something about market fundamentalism

>nope.jpg

Who the fuck came up with this shitty term? I'm honestly at a loss here. It implies that we're taking on blind faith that the market works, when we have dozens of large treatises that meticulously lay down the principles of our economic theories. Unsurprisingly, the author of the aforementioned book doesn't mention Mises, Hayek, or Rothbard, but he does mention Milton Friedman. These cowards pick the easy targets, then complain why there's no hard prey. Of course Friedman cannot make a strong case for capitalism when he's so busy making concessions left and right to the government. Isn't that to be expected? That's like trying to dissect socialism while only reading pamphlets of social democrats.

I also like the "pendulum" in the beginning of that novel. It's like the author is saying:

>Look, I don't say that capitalism is bad! I'm only saying that sometimes, we need capitalism, and sometimes, we need a strong government to spread our buttocks, I mean, to save the economy.

>Let's not go to any extremes! We can compromise! How about we steal fourty percent and not fifty percent of your income?

I'll take faggots like that serious when they actually let the pendulum swing both ways, when they don't use their pragmatism solely as an excuse to increase the size of government and actually propose that we eliminate the income tax, privatize elementary schools and cut subsidies to large corporations every twenty years. But of course, they never do that. Even now, when the government takes fucking half of all your resources, they'll claim that it's atrophied.

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Let's disprove this

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm

Are you man enough to defeat the final boss of economics, /liberty/? He already knows all your moves.

>Captcha: oypunk

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do you attend to facultative lectures etc at university? are they fulll of (((cultural marxism)))

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BASED

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>USSR makes the ultimate economy car for avoiding roads

/liberty/ BTFO

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was destroying assad's regime indirectly neocon's job?

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it is embarrassing but deep in my heart i fear that in ancap 99% of ppl will chose not to protect insects and amphibians and reptiles and many of them will go extinct outside private wildlife sanctuaries funded by wildlife enthusiasts like me

normies do not care about frogs or bugs or lizards yet i value these superficially irrelevant animals

i hope in ancap we will have many private wildlife sanctuaries but in order to achieve it wildlife enthusiasts would have to convince normies to give money into wildlife protection but normies are interested only in exploatation of wildlife- hunting, fishing, buying pets

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Anyone here in politics? Because I'm seriously considering to set up my own political party.

I'm from Austria and, ironically, the whole party system is completely devoid of any form of libertarianism, although there is an increasing awareness about the state and its many useless institutions.

I already looked into what would be, legally, required to register a party and the requirements are surprisingly low.

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Why do only anglos "get" libertarianism? Outside of english speaking countries, lolbergs only exist in meme form.

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you're barely even real

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>Tfw Keynes was a member of not one, but two homosexual death cults

Seriously. Look up the Bloomsbury Group and Cambridge Apostles. Scary shit.

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You can't break the NAP if you don't recognize it.

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anyone wanna help me write a party manifesto?

I just got the papers from the local office of law to start a new political party, the Canadian alt-right party (CARP), I need to write a party manifesto and collect 2,500 signatures, I've got all my ideas, But I need help with the language, especially since I plan on banning the vote from Women, Sub-90 IQ's, and all Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism), and want to establish, in as much detail as possible, how this should be done.

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>mfw he thinks corporations and monopolies have anything to do w/ capitalism

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what if people don't own themselves unconditionally. there are certain cases when their self-ownership can morally be overridden. especially when they're young and don't know what's best.

something to think about?

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Worst Economists

I'll start:

>Marx

Too easy, I'll pass this one.

>Keynes

For obvious reasons. Never understood time preference, business cycles, or basically anything. Criticized Mises for being unoriginal despite the fact that his German was, by his own admission, not good enough to recognize an original thought. Member of not one, but two shady, libertine societies. Only saving grace is that he criticized the horrendous conduct and ignorance of Woodrow Wilson after WW1.

>Galbraith

Claimed in the 60's that public services were atrophied because they didn't have enough funding. Also claimed that the market creates its own demand, unlike the government. Apparently, bringing democracy to countries that the average American cannot even spell is fulfilling real demand, whereas if you buy a can of Coke, it's only because you have been indoctrinated by a 30 second clip of some mascot drinking coke. Also said that East Prussia ought to be "euthanized".

Alfred Marshall probably belongs on this list too, but I haven't read much about him yet. I know he was the mentor of Keynes, but not what his theories were.

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World War III will be over Africa

Trump has already deployed American troops to Niger in order to advance France's control of Mali (and its oil wealth). Taking out Muammar Gaddafi was instrumental to the future plan of attack: Amerikkka and other western imperialist powers want control of the Sahel region - from Mauritania/Senegambia to Somalia - in order to secure its vast untapped resources. Mali, Niger, and Chad, in particular, are full of oil and minerals as is Sudan plus they play a huge strategic role in securing the rest of the African continent. Take into account China's involvement in Africa. Once Amerikkka and Europe start installing permanent presence in the region they will be on China's doorstep.

The only end result will be all-out war.

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A New Strategy

I think we should engage Statist more than we engage Socialist/Commies. For the state is a far more greater threat to our liberty than the Marxist every will be with in an anarchist society. They would have no political gain of power and no legitimacy of force association, like in our current political climate. Moreover, within Ancapistan, the Marxist could go start a commune if they wanted to, we have no problem with that. To sum it all up, we're not attacking the right enemy at the moment, and that enemy is the State.

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If value is subjective, how come money exists?

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USA Election Night 2017 Thread

Post what happened in your state or local elections you faggots.

WA Demoshits took back the Senate. It's full democrat control here again. I want to move SO BAD.

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>Capitalism works best with a small government and little regul…

*Teleports behind you*

"没有什么个人的,小子。"

Honestly though, what are /liberty/'s counters to the successful Keynesianism of Singapore?

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Are communists people?

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/leftypol/ mutiny, again

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2213248.html

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2212688.html

Summary: Authoritarian BO assmad about Rojava because it isn't a 1984 style dystopia like North Korea and the USSR, calls it American puppet, proceeds to literally support Assad (!), add wordfilters, and ban dissent. /leftypol/ is up in flames about this and wants a regime change.

Proof that anarcho-communists are useful idiots and that authoritarians will always stamp them out even if they have to support genocidal dictators to do so.

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Mises Appreciation Thread

Can we have one? I think Mises is the single best economist there is. Not just for coming up with his theories - he codified a lot that others before him found out, after all - but also for his precise and clear writing style, and for the fact that he kept the tradition of a priori economics around when the whole world was against it. He fled his country to escape the Nazis; his entire library was burned down by them, and he never held another tenure in his life. He couldn't even speak English when he arrived in America. Still, he managed to get back up and turned America into the stronghold of Austrian Economics that it is today.

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hello friends lets go rape and murder some people I sure do like freedom and also capitalism is pretty cool if I do say so myself. But the reason I come to you today is that I do quite enjoy roads myself, and would like to inquire about to who will go about the constructing of such roads.

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8chan Attention-Hungry Games Thread

Like Pottery.

ITT discuss Attention-Hungry Games.

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>From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe. Known as paradisus judaeorum (Latin for "Paradise of the Jews"), it became a shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and the home to the world's largest Jewish community of the time.

Why are there so many Polish anons on /liberty/? Is it because you guys hate Germans so much that you have to embrace the most Jewish ideology of all only out of spite?

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Explain this

>The US citizenry is becoming ideologically polarised

>The US party system is becoming ideologically homogeneous

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U.S. Police/Surveillance/Military/Corporate State Thread

Thread about the U.S. taking away it's citizens rights.

So how long will it be until anyone with a non-state-sponsored-corporate view is now a terrorist organization? The CIA already says WikiLeaks, Anarchists Against The Wall and many others are "dangerous." While this one doesn't count as censorship because the state isn't doing it: Reddit has targeted the "far-right" and "far-left" for bans causing offshoots like Raddle and Voat to be created. Bush repealed the right to a trial, charges, etc. for foreign citizens and Obama allowed it for U.S. citizens. (Which he did on New Years Eve, to "cover it up".)

So, how much do you think the NSA spies on you?

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Were the Stonewall Riots a libertarian rebellion? Remember they were defending a bar (private property) against government thugs.

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Intellectual Property

I want to further my knowledge on IP. Can you guys provide some materials for me?

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If we assume self-ownership to be the natural product of sentience (an axiomatic principle of anarchism in my opinion), and that increasing degrees of sentience afford said intelligent being increasing levels of self-ownership, must we also conclude that animals possess self-ownership in degrees corresponding to their intelligence? Are there any compelling arguments for limiting what kinds of sentient being possess self-ownership? Is it limited to humans? If so, do some humans not qualify as fully sentient? Would the existence of beings qualitatively more sentient than humans (pic related) afford said beings with a greater level of self ownership (that we may not be capable of imagining) than we possess? Is my second postulate correct, or does self-ownership emerge fully formed above a certain level of sentience?

Help me see these questions more clearly, /liberty/.

I would also appreciate it if you could avoid ad-hoc distinctions which imply only some beings qualify for self ownership (such as souls).

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Egoist minarchism

What about a state with a justice which impose the principles of egoism?

Only not acting in your self interest and trying to crush this state will be illegal

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Physical Removal

Do you support it? To what extent? What kinds of people would you remove?

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I'm tired of political ideologies. In the end, they never matter and only the more violent/numerous party wins. I just wanna fuck and get high. I only get to do the latter, though ,but you catch my drift

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So what's the truth on the Russian shit during the election?

I don't believe Trumpfags and aut-righters who say Russia is innocent

yet

I also don't believe Democrats who say Russia basically planned a coup.

What's the truth, fellow /liberty/fags.

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Spiderman homecoming

Just saw it, and I think it's /liberty as fuck. The main villians were a salvage crew contracted by New York City to clean up alien technology lying around after the avengers saved the day, except they turned to crime after an executive order granted exclusive salvage rights to a government agency and Stark industries. Had they not been forced to start stealing and smuggling scraps from superhero fights to recoup the losses, they'd have continued as a legitimate salvage business and there'd have been no plot for the movie.

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Coup D'état

Is Anarcho-Capitalism, and Anarchy in general a military coup without the military staging the coup or with a part of the military staging a coup?

Just everyone with a gun and the means to use it exercising their will over those without guns nor the will to use them at the same time?

I often times read about military coups through history. Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar etc.

It seems that the lions grow tired of the lambs giving them orders and tear their throats out.

As a military combat veteran it inspires me.

A nation where the fighters rule, how long before the lions grow bored of ruling over the sheep and tear each other apart, leaving the plains a bloody hell to be rules by a clever hand rubbing shekel goblin.

Globalism under a military authority.

Globalism being hijacked and taken over in a military coup. What would happen to the European Union if it was overthrown in a military coup? Would it even be possible? Or are the Europeans too far gone, living under the yoke of unarmed noguns enslavement, as subjects on their knees begging the states monopoly on force for protection.

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Making it happen

How do we meme libertarianism into the white house? We've almost made it once.

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i want to do experiment to check whether women nowadays in welfare states have changed sexual preferences in favour of chads (physically attractive stupid ppl)

stefan said that in past geeks were chosen as mates because they were to earn a lot and now women chose jobless niggers as mates because they know that children will have food provided by state so there is no need for father to earn money for family, i think

any ideas how to do the experiment/observation? i want to do the research as my MSc diploma paper at antropology

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Normies Don't understand Ideologies: Salon are Faggots edition

What did she mean by this /liberty/?

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This is me. Literally me. No other book can come close to relating to me like this. There is no way you can convince me this is not me. This book could not possibly be anymore me. It’s me, and nobody can convince me otherwise. If anyone approached me on the topic of this not possibly being me, then I immediately shut them down with overwhelming evidence that this book is me. This book is me, it is indisputable. Why anyone would try to argue that this book is not me is beyond me. If you held two pictures of me and this book side by side, you’d see no difference. I can safely look at this book every day and say “Yup, that’s me”. I can practically see this book every time I look at myself in the mirror. I go outside and people stop me to comment how similar I look and act to this book. I chuckle softly as I’m assured everyday this book is me in every way. I can smile each time I get out of bed every morning knowing that I’ve found my identity with this book and I know my place in this world. It’s really quite funny how similar this book is to me, it’s almost like we’re identical twins. When I first read this book, I had an existential crisis. What if this book was the real me and I was the fictional being. What if this book actual became aware of my existence? Did this book have the ability to become self aware itself?

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Enlightenment

Thoughts on the enlightenment?

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I interrupt you all arguing about the AOC...

I'm so very fucking tired of Communism not being eradicated from earth.

Yet every normie and their wive's son seems to see it as a "quirky" ideology. Some go as far as to think of it as "a good thing that will never happen." They look at McCarthy and don't see a hero out to vanquish evil…they see pro-capitalist rhetoric as "quaint and anachronistic" or just plain, "those rubes working against (((their own interests))) AGAIN."

I am at wits end to understand how such evil and STUPIDITY can be seen in an indifferent light AT BEST. We have colleges full of women who fantasize about Marx while feeling morally superior from all of the swarthy savages they fellate. (both literally and metaphorically, of course) We have schools that are administrated by FUCKING UNION WORKERS!?!? The enemy is at the gate, and he is out to destroy everything I love. I MUST understand this phenomenon, and so I shall ask:

How can we convince the average person on the street to help us? What is causing their current blindness?

It is with hope that I ask these questions, as I see it- we'll have a great chance if we figure out their answers.

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How sexual fetishes are destructive for humans.

/pol/ I really need to talk about something.

It's how sexual fetishes and deviant sexual practices are used to enslave us.

I literally just woke up from one of the most realistic dreams I had in a while.

You know how you dream about certain things you just witnessed before? I mean my dream picked up lots of the little things, but I also dreamt about a few things that are extremely important to me. Certian dates, family members, etc.

The dream I had frightened me and it made me really curious about this topic now and I want to learn as much as possible.

I actually just finished typing it all up. If you are curious I can post it. Basically the most horrific part of my dream was visiting a giant dark room as big as a stadium, filled to the brim with cages, each associated with a fetish.

Shortly before I woke up I was almost cornered by a group of the most inhuman looking SM-Freaks you can possibly imagine that had insane body-modifications done to them.

(I am reposting this here too, because I am really curious about this topic)

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what do you think about

a) post-left anarchism

b) post anarchism

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If you don't like the policies of a country why don't you just move to a different one that is more in line with your views?

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/monster/ GET

Are chinese dragons actually more NAP-oriented than sneks? Southern dragon kun fu does revolve around only acting against your opponent when they do first. Pic unrelated.

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Economics of Monoploies

You guess got any links or sources on economics? Mainly on monoplies

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Hey we have a long standing 1yr+ ancap discord and need some advertisement plugs to replace the lost ones. aimed at ancaps only. https://discord.gg/HKcqGDZ

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I'm kinda black pilled about the world fam. Not wanting to varg out completely but I don't see good things on the horizon for the West. Europe continues getting enriched, the USA might face a civil war within a decade, Africa and the Middle East are pumping out babies and immigrants while Israel is expanding.

Media orchestrating a total hysteria, like they did in pre WWII times, people in academia that should know better are talking absolute gibberish because they're blinded by ideology.

Oh yeah and meanwhile feminism and lgbtq are ruining gender relations completely, which only further weakens the morale of people. All while banks and governments are taking away your shekels.

Commies are scum, the right is impotent and delusional and libertarians are meme lords that should simply call their ideology X because it could stand for pretty much anything.

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whose side do you support in syrian civil war? kurds would be ok if not for gender parities in rojava :/

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i love this

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Liberty and economic videos

The left just can't wrap their heads around these concepts.

Also I seem to can't respond to this thread >>69534

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WORLD UNION OF SEPARATISTS

When?

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Spanish Civil War

If this was going on and you HAD to join one of the sides and fight, which would it be and why?

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So we all agree here that liberty and freedom are desirable, that's what we want. So let me start from there.

Basically my argument is that the only thing that can guarantee your freedom, is force/might/violence. Your freedom is not guaranteed by any moth eaten scrolls, or rotting statesmen, or anything in this life. Judges can basically rape you for a parking ticket, cops can murder you, banks can take over everything you owned 1 second ago and it doesnt even matter where you live because at least one of those happened there.

Whether you drown or swim across the ocean depends on your own force, the universe doesnt take any other currency. Whether a hungry bear eats you alive or you apply enough stopping power to stop it, depends only on the amount of force you have. Whether you are a criminal or not, depends only on the force of the state to catch you, because getting caught is the only thing all sentenced criminals share, not murder or theft or even innocence because there is at least 1 example of them getting away or being wrongly sentenced. Getting caught is the only crime. Taxation is theft, and yet the state gets away with it because of its force, meaning everything is legal as long as you can enforce it, only crime is not having enough force.

Force is the fundamental unit of justice, and military, and economy, and diplomacy, and politics, and philosophy, and morality, because if you are "right" but cant enforce your rightness, how the fuck are you even right, or what is the difference between being right or wrong when you dont have the force to enforce one over the other?

So:

If you love/want personal liberty,

you must obtain force, that is your purpose, just obtaining force.

And if joining communism/antifa/police force/nazis/nationalists/whatever, you should do it.

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>It says here you visit slash lib-ur-tee slash, which the federal government has deemed to be an illegal channel of information spreading far right propaganda

>you know under current laws you can be convicted for up to 15 years if the court finds you guilty

https://archive.fo/8bc59y

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how does one convince a european that rights aren't granted by the state

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Fellas, we gotta do something about faux libertarians.

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this board is literally KiA/Sargon of Akkad incarnate

With a dash of imageboard flavor

Prove me wrong faggots

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you realise that subjective value puts no barrier to the front of genocide? people argue that the human life has no inherent value.

do you think that it does?

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is it true that generally speaking niggers more than cumskins love watermelons and kfc chickens? why is it like this?

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/liberty/ memes

Post your political/liberty related memes

I need more

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Second Amendment Appreciation Thread

I envy you, Murricunts. I really do.

>Tfw your government has an official policy to keep the number of weapons down, regardless of how bad crime is getting

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Ayn Rand's Personal Library Auction

Anyone here who can make out what the scribbles in the video say? Though it annoys me how someone would scribble on books like that, even with a pencil, I still wanna see her reactions to Bureaucracy.

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why are states with more economicaclly unequal population having lower social mobility?

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what are your thoughts on colonialism?

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Marxist Literary Criticism ruins everything

Why is it that Marxism is the only political philosophy that has an extant school of literary criticism? Reducing a work of literature to a contextualized sociopolitical narrative seems to completely neglect the aesthetic or entertainment motive that underpins most works of art. Maybe my mind just has not been "liberated" enough to enjoy Marxist realism liberated from my sense of joy and curiosity, more like.

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WHY WON'T THE GOVERNMENT JUST LEAVE ME AND MY SHIT ALONE

I'M NOT FUCKING WITH ANYONE ELSE

I'M NOT HURTING ANYONE

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP TRYING TO STEAL MY MONEY AND SHIT

WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO

FUCK

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What is /liberty/ Reading?

I haven't visited the board in a while, but I'm glad to be back. So, what are we all reading (or watching, or listening to) in terms of libertarian literature? Recently, I've been going through Omnipotent Government in my spare time. Seems interesting, though I've only just started. Also listening to the embedded video currently. What about you guys? Anything good?

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So what's the incentive to innovate and make something new if copyright/trademarking/etc doesn't exist and some established megacorp will instantly produce what you came up with more efficiently? Then the whole market will come to a standstill.

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If he wasn't dead/hiding in Belize, would 2Pac side with Trump or Antifa?

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hi cucks, it has been a long time from when i shut your asses up in a discussion, so i decided to visit you again so to look how much have you improved.

what i want is a list of the incoherences, errors and uncertainities within the Marxian School of economics, a description of what socialism is (in theory) supposed to "work"………………without coming up with:

>muh mudpie

>muh transformation """"problem""""

>muh big gubbermand

>muh socialism is something to establish, rather than something that will naturally emerge from the social contradictions caused by automation replacing human labor

see you later

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Max Keiser vs Peter Schiff

>Peter Schiff

<calm

<collected

<concise

<has arguments

>Max Keiser

<childish

<uses memes in his speech

<ad-homenins

<screams a lot

<has no arguments

Peter clearly won the debate, especially after the 23 minute mark where Max spergs out. Is this best "debater" the crypto-community has? Will post some webm/mp4(s) from the debate.

Also general crypto vs gold debate thread, I guess.

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C h a r i s m a

Post charismatic videos on any libertarian subject

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Liberty is the noblest of virtues.

Yet how is it realistically achieved?

IF

The greatest threat to Liberty is the State.

IF

Abolishing the State completely is impossible.

THEN

Shrinking the State by whatever by whatever means possible is good.

This can mean lobbying for lower taxes.

This can mean lobbying for local autonomy.

Or it can mean supporting Separatism.

Realistically I think Separatism AKA 'Independence,' has the most promise for the promotion of Liberty.

'Athens' and 'Thebes' are natural allies.

https://steemit.com/@voxxe

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Heeyyy /liberty/, it's been a while. Missed all of you, that and all the shitposts that are still prevalent on the board.

So what are your thoughts on Catalan? The situation in Spain seems to only be expanding and getting worse and worse by the second, and with that in mind there's definitely some interesting tunes of secession spreading around so I figure this can create for a good discussion.

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>'a person is not to be used, but to be respected and loved'

thoughts?

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are /leftpol/ prettier than /liberty/? what about /pol/?

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Was this okay?

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Roger Ver and Oliver Janssens are planning on spending a few hundred million dollars to buy land from a government and build a libertarian utopia.

Are we going to see Ancapistan in our lifetime? Any of you planning on going off it looks like it might be successful?

https://www.freesociety.com/

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Communism

Nazism

Continental philosophy

Has anything good ever come out of Germany?

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>Horseshoe Theory

Surely nobody here likes using Horseshoe theory, right? You're not mentally challenged, are you?

I've raised a objection to this but I never get a reply so I'll repost it as a whole thread as last resort.

>Horseshoe is just a means of focusing on things that are important to you

>Communists would use horseshoe theory to focus on how Libertarians and Fascists are not interested in fixing the wealth disparities caused by Capitalism

>Left Libertarians would note how they actually reduce the rules of society whereas authoritarians don't and Right Libertarians only are against authoritarianism as long as its agaisnt the government, but don't care about rules imposed by the owner of property, so someone that owns a road can order you to do anything while you are in it.

I didn't even think too hard about it, joke theory.

>Right libertarians, I think you know how you feel about left and right authoritarianism

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PSA

Can anons please stop confusing "it's" with "its" looking at you, CSA? Would /leftypol/ kindly proofread their posts before posting? Thanks a bundle.

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Beta test of political chat - taking suggestions also

Need liberty-oriented audience for political-pairing

URL: http://poldare.com

Copypasta from /pol/ and /leftypol/:

How it works:

All 14 positions are currently divided into 4 camps hostile to each other to the point a discussion can be had. I would recommend LARPing for a start if your queue is more than a minute since potential disbalance could occur. Once you get into a chat, it's pretty similar to omegle. 2 escapes to cancel a chat, 3 to return to "home". What the "A" button does I will let you figure out for yourself (see second webm).

This part is for /tech/:

I do not recommend using it on small-resolution smartphones because I have not optimized the website for it. Larger tablets work fine. It is using shared hosting so host could bottleneck me if too many users connect, but the whole thing ought not to be too CPU-intensive for them. I do not at this point store messages - they are deleted as soon as they are read in order to keep tables small (unless in certain situations, such as other person disconnecting before the server detects it etc. - everything older than 30mins is purged manually). The only thing stored is the text from point of agreement (A button in chat, you'll figure out from second webm). I do not log nor check IPs in any way but I might implement it in the future for purposes of banning people (if that even shows to be necessary, and judging by omegle it's possible that it won't). VPNs and proxies work fine. If you are using uMatrix/noScript jquery and website's javascript is required in order to communicate with the server.

The future:

If you generally like it, I will make a simle app that optimizes the website for android and put it out there to reach more mainstream political positions. If it ever gets popular to the point where it could sustain itself, I'll get a dedicated server for it and introduce websockets which would introduce "the other user is typing" and instant responses (overall, smoother experience). I will also add the news sections, elaborations on positions etc. If you have any questions, do ask.

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How will /liberty/ deal with being attacked by neighbouring countries for no reason?

David Friedman argues that you only need to make conquering Ancap no longer worthwhile. But this assumes war is ever rational.

-

That anyone should imagine that hundreds of millions of people can enthusiastically engage in mutual mass butchery over minor pieces of territory is so patently ludicrous that it is a wonder anyone could ever have taken it seriously; yet this what historians and political scientists still ask us to believe. The entire “rational decisions” school of war theorists, all of whom claim utility as the ultimate motive for war, run up against the extensive empirical research done on hundreds of wars in recent years that consistently shows that wars are destructive not rational, that wars cost even winners more than they gain, that those who begin wars usually lose them and that leaders who go to war historically never actually calculate before they do so whether the gains will exceed the costs.

-

So my question is, are you not worried that you will be attacked by an irrational nation state and be unable to adequately defend yourselves, resulting in wholesale slaughter?

>inb4 people will voluntarily donate $300,000 TOW missiles

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How would an anarcho-capitalist socity deal with stuff like this? It's nothing more than a violation of male bodily integrity.

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Is there any truth to the leftist claim that the overwhelming majority of jobs under capitalism are meaningless make work positions and that the percentage of the labor involved in the essentials for society (food, shelter, infrastructure, energy and related) is a indeed a very small part of the overall work force?

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Thoughts on r/Neoliberal?

They look up to people like Friedman and Hayek but also support a welfare state and central banking, provided it's all evidence based ofc.

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"New Individualism"

What the fuck is Edgy talking about? I feel like he's conflating isolation with independence and calling it a new form of individualism.

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TUCKER BTFO ON IMMIGRATION

Altists btfo by proxy

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Cyberpunk dystopia when?

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Gaining noteriety

This board is slow, but it has a lot of potential. Honestly, the /leftypol/ and /pol/ shitposts can't get much worse, so we might as well try and gain noteriety.

Should we mention this board on /lrg/? Or could we change name to /libertypol/ to get us better recognition?

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i hope i will not be scolded for offtopic

i have anthropologic question

how did castes emerge in india? i know about their religion, that if one behaves well he or she would be reincarnated in better caste, allegedly

is it because offspring of a chariot maker is more prone to become chariot makers too? so basically no social mobility?

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Catalan: Thoughts?

Heeyyy /liberty/, it's been a while. Missed all of you, that and all the shitposts that are still prevalent on the board.

So what are your thoughts on Catalan? The situation in Spain seems to only be expanding and getting worse and worse by the second, and with that in mind there's definitely some interesting tunes of secession spreading around so I figure this can create for a good discussion.

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What's the point of reading all these books when I'm going to forget what they were about in a month or less?

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Chicago Boys

So memes aside, what exactly happened in Chile? All I know is that after Pinochet took power there was some crash and eventual, gradual alleviation of the economy.

Leftists say the crash was because of the Chicago Boys and only pragmatic Keynesian economists saved the situation after Pinochet kicked the boys. Libertarians say it was because of Allende's policies catching up and that it was reversed by the Chicago boys. Most unaligned people seem to say that Pinochet was shit but the lesser of two evils and saved the country from commies but nothing about whose policies saved the economy, and since the Chicago school gets flak on this board I'm expecting that's the verdict among ancaps.

Did I get it right?

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Do you believe you should be able to live as you wish? Do you want to just be left alone? What if the government takes away your freedoms and liberties and establishes tyranny? Would you take up arms? Would you recruit allies and aids to help you fight? Why? Because you value freedom and liberty, and when a government takes away your freedoms, the people have a right to overthrow that government. You understand that there are things worth risking your life and fighting for. You acknowledge that even if you die, you die for a cause, because you want your children to not have to live in tyranny and instead be free. You're fighting for others, and for the rights of man.

What do you do in a totalitarian society though? How do you resist or fight for rights against an overwhelming powerful government when, in the 21st century, a Google search could get you charged with political crimes? You're powerless, doomed to servitude, your children's future being what the State orders it to be.

But what if there was a country of free people? They have the power to safeguard your liberties and bring freedom. Where you cannot fight, they can. Where you can fight, they're there to help. The United States had France to help in its revolution. The French had the Allies to liberate it from Fascism. Free people seldom win on their own against the forces of tyranny, and free peoples must stick together and fight for the rights of all mankind, for so long as we exist to provide an alternate vision to oppressed masses, we are a threat to tyrants.

Regardless of whether you believe they currently do or not, can we agree that the United States, and free nations around the world, have a moral duty to safeguard liberty and rights for those who can't do it for themselves?

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Since you guys are against regulations, should kids have access on hormone pills and let boys be more feminine?

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HRH's /monarchy/ embassy

Hello, diplomat from /monarchy/ here.

I've been noticing an increasing cross-pollination between /liberty/ and /monarchy/ posters recently, and thought it might be worthwhile to bring up threads or posts that might be to /liberty/'s interest. If I see any ancap, consitutionalism, capitalism/economics, or any other threads that you say you might be interested in (fwiw, please mention your interests) that are posted in /monarchy/, then I'll be sure to post them here. Also, if there are any issues or comments about /monarchy/ posters on /liberty/ or /liberty/ posters on /monarchy/, this might be a decent place to note that here. If a poster from /liberty/ wants to do the same sort of thread in /monarchy/, I'm sure it would be appreciated.

An initial list of threads that might be interesting:

The pair of threads that prompted making this post:

>>>/monarchy/641

>>65239

This is an exchange regarding anarchism and monarchism. The syncretic ancap-monarchism position and Hoppe got mentioned briefly:

>>>/monarchy/460

An exchange regarding the guild system. The economics of it got discussed only briefly. It might be interesting for a /liberty/ poster to mention more fully.

>>>/monarchy/487

Likewise for mercantilism:

>>>/monarchy/236

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https://8ch.net/pol/res/10511388.html

http://newrhodesia.com/

the alt-right of /pol/ is thinking of founding a paradise in Africa, they are already selling citizenships for collecting the money to buy the land.

Why does the alt-lite of /liberty/ not follow suit and buy some land in Africa as well? we could even name it Rapture, Libertalia, or Ancapistan.

Maybe with the two nations close to each other, some synthesis will eventually emerge.

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i fucking love based korwin

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39152562

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/liberty/'s President

Out of all the presidents, we've had in American politics. What is your favorite?

>mine is pic related

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What is with the "low rules" deal anyways?

I've been wondering because there's clearly no argument behind it, or very poorly thought out ones

If you've read any libertarian you probably understand Rights of Association(and therefore Disassociation) means that you don't HAVE to associate with anyone. This board is into Hans Herman Hoppe too, which means that you can enter a commune and close off people you don't like because you don't have to live with them after all.

So why are all those homosexuals allowed in? Why is so much deliberation necessary when making a(ultimately temporary) ban?

My only request really is enabling forced anon but I wanted to see the defense people here have over this.

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DUDE

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thoughts on milton friedman?

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Smash Capitalism

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

best of the day

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are agreements of which one side is on strong drugs legitimate in your opinion?

i was watchin this movie and the guy high on heron is persuaded to go to rehab and i think he agreed but did it only to make them stop persuading him, as you can see he was barely alive and conscious

beforehand it was said that to become a patient one must do it voluntarily but he or she cannot leave until 3 months pass

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will mr hoppe so to speak physically remove me from ancap if i will be not married?

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/liberty/'s thoughts on the military?

too big? not big enough?

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Which sex position represents libertarians the best?

I would say it's Ass2Mouth

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>muh property

>muh helicopters

>muh freedom of speech

>muh free market

>muh race

How does it feel to know that you're always going to be cucked by spooks fam?

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Trump

Thoughts on Trump?

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if you had children shop in ancap, will you sell children to a pair of fags or a pair of dykes? why? is the idea that lgbt ppl are no worse parents than heteros cultural marxist fake science?

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ITT: Road to Your Ideology

Story time about how you came to be where you are now ideologically.

>be me

>fancied myself a democratic socialist/libertarian socialist, didn't actually really understand these terms

>subscribed to a lot of people on youtube in the "skeptic community" and that opened my eyes on a lot of the social issues of the time (feminism mostly, theism before that)

>never really got any of my views questioned before this

>did subscribe to more right-wing channels, though they tended to talk about a lot of the same stuff as the more center-left people

>election season

>not a fan of hillary, not a fan of trump, though i didn't think he was the big bad liberals made him out to be

>grew to like trump but only because i believed he was an outsider

>bernie shows up

>ohshit.png

>becomes huge bernie fan, people i was subscribed to reinforced this

>sometime around here, started watching videos from more libertarian-minded people

>bernie gets fucked, say fuck it and climb onto the trump train

>starts getting more and more redpilled about economics over time

>100% certain trump would win and make america great again

>election cycle a few months from ending, leaning heavily towards libertarianism, but not full ancap yet

>trump wins, although not as avid of a trump supporter anymore, really happy it was trump over hillary

>time goes on, still giggling at the salty lefties

>starts becoming more and more ancap, but has some faith in trump

>syria strikes

>ive got no more excuses

>goes full ancap

I know it wasn't very exciting at all but I thought I'd share. Feel free to share your own stories.

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is it hoppe?

https://youtu.be/Mk1BKJSqxOo?t=48

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what is your stance on free will? protip: many famous neuroscientists say free will is an illusion

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Economically speaking, what's the ideal leisure to labor ratio?

And I don't mean as an individual choice but as a common standard. I don't know much or anything really about the history of labor, but I recall Ford was the first one to grant his workers an extra day off and raise their salary. And yet, this didn't crash the industry or get him out of business as some people would decry. In a normal playing field this would be financial suicide for an average business, but Ford actually saw better profits from this because his employees were able now to reinvest in his business by buying the cars, so clearly raising the wage above the minimum/standard (for an industry) wage and reducing the work hours isn't always counter-intuitive but relies on some ratio.

Also, a lot of our standards were adopted into law after protests and demands from workers, although I'd believe this would be the case even if it weren't amended into law. How did that affect the economic history?

If anyone got a good source material or research to read on this stuff I will be thankful.

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You guys are weird

I like you

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>there are libertarians here RIGHT NOW who would not pull the lever because it's "murder"

s

m

h

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The Communist Exploitation Theory

You know i had an interesting dialogue with a couple of communist on /leftpol/. I was fully aware of the exploitation theory behind the communist mindset, but i didn't know why I disagreed with it ( to a detailed extent)

And if you don't know what that is its pretty much when the Employer (bousigues) pays his employee less then the value of his labour that he produced.

Example:

Bob works for Frank

Bob makes phones

Frank pays Bob $3 dollars for the phones

Frank sells the phones for 5 dollar.

Conclusion: Frank has exploited Bob because Bob didn't get the full value of his labour. That being $2 dollar which is workers surplus.

I had the biggest problem with this conclusion and I didn't know why?

Until I struck me.

There was never a surplus to begin with. Only when the product is stold does the worker claim there is a surplus. And if the product didn't sell that product, then Bob didn't get cheated out, he actually gain something.

Surplus is created by the Seller not the Producer. And since the Seller creates the surplus, he rightfully owns it (that being the profit). Bob actually got paid for what he did, and was not exploited.

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What is going to happen to all the state property when it is finally abolished? A land grab hardly seems fair, but allowing any group of individuals to be in charge of divvying it up seems worse. We all I assume you pay taxes contributed to that public property so we all have a claim to that land, money, infrastructure, etc.

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Should the state be turned into a kind of property, with people getting votes about what to do with it depending on how much taxes they paid?

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So libertarians and other small government enthusiasts, why aren't you going all the way to anarcho-capitalism?

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poland first to fight

was du machen kurwa skurwysynu :D

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Are people actually getting dumber, or am I just getting more aware of how dumb they are? Particularly on imageboards, but seeing as how Trump got so many fangirls just by posting memes, it's not to the internet, sadly.

In particular, it's been a while since I've seen anyone who was even interested in a debate about principles. I could sweear we had more of these people a year or two ago. So, what the hell happened, and how do we counteract this trend?

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New and improved book dump, /liberty/. In total, it's 285 documents. There should be something interesting in it for anybody:

https://www.file-upload.net/download-12575074/BookDumpPart1.rar.html

https://www.file-upload.net/download-12575107/BookDumpPart2.rar.html

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Hey /liberty/, I host two sites related the cause of freedom. I thought I'd share them.

One is voluntaryist.press where I host a bunch of related PDF files. All for free, obviously. The server keeps no logs but proxies through cloudflare, so use Tor.

if you have any pdfs I should add, please post them itt

https://voluntaryist.press

http://erbjkknjdiz7spxq.onion

The other is a small one-page board for anarchist shitposting, since I don't need the server atm.

http://anchan.tech/anchan/

(I'll implement Tor and HTTPS at some point but Tor nodes can post over clearnet anyhow)

Thanks for reading, please contribute anything I don't have (and/or suggest better folder structure, and if anyone knows web design please write me a fucking html/css template)

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>nationalism

>not being able to exist alongside with ancap

>he isn't a nationalist ancap

shit sticky

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Ancap flag in my anime, the future looks bright anon.

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would you rather your daughter worked for gov or was a strong independent prostitute?

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Nice argument why ancap isn't inherently hierarchical despite being capitalist:

Murray Rothbard maintains that anarcho-capitalism is the only true form of anarchism– the only form of anarchism that could possibly exist in reality, as, he argues, any other form presupposes an authoritarian enforcement of political ideology (redistribution of private property, etc.). In short, while granting that certain non-coercive hierarchies will exist under an anarcho-capitalist system, they will have no real authority except over their own property: a worker existing within such a 'hierarchy' (answerable to management, bosses, etc.) is free at all times to abandon this voluntary 'hierarchy' and 1) create an organization within which he/she is at (or somewhere near) the top of the 'hierarchy' (entrepreneurship), 2) join an existing 'hierarchy' (wherein he/she will likely be lower in the scheme of things), or 3) abandon these hierarchies altogether and join/form a non-hierarchical association such as a cooperative, commune, etc.. Since there will be no taxes, such cooperative organizations (labour unions, communes, voluntary socialist associations wherein the product of the labour and of the capital goods of those who join which they were able to peaceably acquire would be shared amongst all who joined, etc.) would, under anarcho-capitalism, enjoy the freedom to do as they please (provided, of course that they set up their operation on their own -or un-owned- property, in other words so long as they do so without force).

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the business you work for just fired you solely due to your libertarian beliefs.

how do you react?

pic unrelated

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Libertarianism and Christianity go hand in hand since both are jewish

Is this true?

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This is the most patriotic song i've ever heard.

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What does /liberty/ think of the stock market and of trading in general? I have a rudimentary understanding of it so I can't really say much, but I was wondering how/if it the stock market will exist under anarcho-capitalism or in the ideal libertarian state.

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lets assume my mother did drugs and smoke and drank when pregnant with me in her uterus

lets assume im severely handicaped because of her actions mentioned above

can i sue her with success in ancap?

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AnCap OC

Thinking of making some fresh shitty OC of people asking "who will build the roads?" questions to commies in order to piss them off help them understand why these questions are a shit.

Creating a thread for people to pitch ideas and so I don't forget in my tired state after work.

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You got an email to get contacted BO? I need to communicate privately.

This is just a small thing to talk about.

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are they schizos?

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Threat to internet freedom?

https://boingboing.net/2017/09/18/antifeatures-for-all.html

Discuss

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Hey /liberty/,

I got a simple question for you:

As which ideology do you identify?

Which name would you give your political ideology?

I myself identify as an individualist ultraminarchist, little less anarchist than ancap but completely focused on the individual.

Oh, and another question:

What's your view on the age of consent?

I myself think it should be abolished and instead every single questionable case should be checked by a psychologist whether they knew what they were doing and if it was consensual.

I think consensual intercourse should always be legal, regardless of age.

>what if the child consents tho?

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Thoughts on Lauren's latest video?

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What do you think about democratic confederalism? Do you think it is good or Commie trash?

Have you googled bookchin yet /liberty/?

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Has anyone read this book Assange is talking about?

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Why does /liberty/ hate the French Revolution again? I'm sorry for the question thread but I need a rundown of a bit more than the "The rule of the mob is not always right", this much is talked about.

Now accepting book links/book copy-paste.

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AI Fears

Are fears about AI taking human jobs legitimate? Or is this just like the shift from agriculture to manufacturing and industry? How will the market solve problems with increased automation?

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Authoritarian Commies against freedom in IRC

RatFink and Kirkland_Signature are infiltrating #8chan with liberalism and tolerance towards authoritarian communists. It is time to get competent mods.

If you're offended by this contact your local 8DL today.

-T. King of the Lavish Aryan Rich Pimps association

#RemoveFaggotMods2017

https://strawpoll.com/3s11gsfx

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Dilemma

I'm not a US citizen.

I'm planning on applying to a US university for graduate studies. Now, I think education is a fucking scam, but I also want to live in the United States because my country sucks ass.

I want to apply for FAFSA, but I can't because it's fucking tax money.

FUCK

Posting on chinese origami boards doesn't really show how dedicated you are to your cause. If I take this, I'll be a fucking hypocrite.

I think this is all mental masturbation anyways, because I dont know how I will pay that loan back.

Assuming I don't take that loan and I get fully funded by the university (which happens to be an Ivy), will that be a problem? Are Ivys funded by the gubmint?

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Rightists = Low lQ

How do you respond to this scientific research?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html

People with over 100+ IQ only post here

(naizs, fash, nationalists, or any other low IQ rightists don't even bother posting thx)

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>While you having pre-marital sex, I mastered Austrian Economics.

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Demand the Internet be Declared a Country

tl;dr: The Internet is an international nation and we should start taking the necessary steps to gain a culture which understands as much.

```Meaning of Country```

What is a country? Is a country its people, its borders, its bureaucracy, its military, or a combination of all these things? Whatever denotative definition of country we may have in our dictionaries, even if it goes against this concept, I say that definition must be expanded to include things such as the Internet. Most people believe in a connotative definition of a country being a conceivable place with citizens who follow some form of governance.

The Internet is a place and while this place is quite abstract, it is nonetheless far too real for people to ignore or play off as just a piece of technology. When a webpage appears on my computer, I say that I have gone to a webpage; much like how you would say you have gone to a city or state. When a moderator punishes me, I am given a warning or banned from the webpage; much like how police can punish you or ban you from a county. Mods can delete or hide messages; much like how in real life countries can try to censor or hide certain messages.

```Allegory between Website Governance and Country Governance```

An owner runs a website, much like how a mayor runs a city, or a governor runs a state, or a prime minister runs a country. An owner's group of administrators helps the owner run the website, much like for instance how the President of the United States' "administration" helps the President run the country. By this metaphor moderators can be considered an allegory for governors while high-ranking/influential users can be considered an allegory for mayors. Owners, administrators, moderators, and notable users operate like any other political officials in real life. They set up guidelines/rules which are the allegorical laws of the land. They vie for and argue over power distribution and what abilities they do and do not have. Notable users can organize protests against mods, mods can organize protests against admins, and admins are payed to work for the owner or quit; just like how notable citizens can protest governors and governors and protest the president and their administration. While in real life we call signs and buttons propaganda, on the Internet these things are commonly called memmies and can be posted for the same purposes.

```What do we do if we choose to believe this?```

The Internet is worth fighting for and you already see this through hacktivist causes against old and new bills such as the classic SOPA, PIPA, and CISPA which went against net neutrality. But to take this to the next level and form the Internet into an official country, is actually not going to be as difficult as you would think. First, various drafts for how this new Internet government should operate would need to be formed by independent groups and committees. They would need to be debated in serious forums across the Internet and heavily compared and contrasted. Second, polls would need to be conducted across the Internet over various aspects of these new policies so that they are crafted with the user's thoughts in mind. Third, a final poll for if the Internet should be declared a country will need to be conducted through Facebook, since Facebook is notorious for their anti-fake account policies which will ensure real users are, for the most part, casting real votes.

(part 1 of 2)

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Very good article about the 'neoliberal revolution', its uptake in different countries, and its effects in different countries

http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2010/Sumnerneoliberalism.html

It especially debunks some arguments that had worried me, such as the alleged disaster in Eastern Europe

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Is Ayn Rand worth reading or was she an edgelady?

I know she ended up using social security and Medicare towards the end of her life.

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Refugees and Authoritarianism

The refugee crisis was caused by neoliberal capitalists and shitty hawkish American foreign policy. American backed terrorists (ISIS) are now used as a tool by all governments to enforce authoritarianism around the world.

Prove me wrong, you can't.

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was feyerabend a commie?

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what do you think about

>The Open Society and Its Enemies

??

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John McAfee

Would you have voted for him given the chance?

Also, do you think he will really eat his own penis if buttcoin doesnt reach 3 gorillion?

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For clarification, is that one anon shitposting and saging under "Christian Anarchist" flag the same one who came out to be a total liar and failure in life?

This anon's shitposting is seriously harming the quality of this board and if he is the same one I want to bully him until he stops.

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NAP Violation?

The Norks launched a second missile over Japanese territory. Even though it's only a simple invasion of airspace, is this a violation of the NAP?

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Anti-Capitalist Myths Debunked

>Muh "Capitalism is destroying the Earth"

>Globalization is destroying indigenous identity

>Capitalism requires endless growth

>Capitalism killed the First Americans

>Capitalism is built on racism

What are some of the worst anti-capitalist memes and how would you debunk them?

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Trying to shill my ideology

My meme is not good…

But my idea is, so to speak, libertarian; it is a pragmatic way to promote the gradual erosion of the state. Assuming the market is superior, the state will not be able to compete, and the market will take over a lot more services

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How do you deal with immigration in an ancap society?

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How am I supposed to take libertarian arguments about autonomy and non-aggression at face value when every last person I know who supported Ron Paul in '08 is now an ethno-nationalist? Is anybody an "actual libertarian" for more than a few years before they just say fuck it and go full brownshirt?

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slavery

Currently reading For a New Liberty but I still haven't gotten to the chapter on slaves and I don't think I've seen it explicitly discussed here. Could somebody outline real quick what forces would prevent child sex slave prostitution rings in an ancap society?

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Syrian Conflict

>Go on a massive media propaganda spree to demonize Assad

>failed

>Arm and fund terrorists to overthrow the state

>failed

>Create ISIS to try and destroy the state

>failed

>Now the U.S. resorts to arming the Kurds in an attempt to balkanize the region

Daily reminder that the SDF/YPG/PKK are commies and backstabbing scum not to be trusted. They are trying to steal the vast Syrian oil fields while the SAA is liberating Deir ez-Zor. They are nothing but a U.S. proxy army.

After ISIS, the Kurds are next. It's going to be hilarious seeing the Kurds get stomped by the Syrian/Iraqi alliance after they dare to declare an independent Kurdish state. The U.S. is trying to pull another Bosnia Herzegovina situation, carving up the region to weaken Syria. Fortunately that is not going to work because Russia watches like an eagle.

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Muh Roads

Are the railroads of the 1800s and 1900s good example of how roads will function (or come some where close to it) in a Ancap society?

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Charlottesville Rally

NEETSOCs and Commie faggots clashing in the streets in Charlottesville. Police not getting involved unless they can deem it an "unlawful rally" resulting in both sides completely dispersing.

Just two violent ideologies that want to genocide people interacting. Nothing to see here, but let's have a thread before some /pol/ or /leftypol/ user shits up the board about it.

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Cryptocurrency for /Liberty/

Hey guys,

I was on 4chan, 8pol and even Endchan. The goal is to unite the chans, various boards and ideologically unite for at least some time and gain gainz in the financial world.

It will take some time for this cryptocurrency to take off and I'm still working on the site and whitepaper.

You can join us on the discord

discord . gg / sqhqpzE

Go ahead and make a cryptocurrency wallet

https://www.myetherwallet.com/

And drop your address and I'll send you 15k Ohni, free, no charge. That way once we have value, all of you have money and will have something to shill for.

A proper wallet address will look like this

0x2276BDc6d9159b19F73E8b395cc69e8Aeb29c86e

Please give up to 72 hours to get your gibs. We are listed on myetherwallet as well, so you'll see it pop up.

Also… why Ohni?

Ohni.io

the whitepaper

http://ohni.io/whitepaper.pdf

Again, it will be a few weeks to really get going, but I'm just here to gibs for free. No I don't want anything from you or to do with you, when the time is right, we'll sound the horn to shill.

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Is environmental pollution aggression? Lots of people are convinced that continued pollution will lead to catastrophic consequences, would they be right to form eco-crusades and invade the USA, China, etc. to stop them from poisoning the planet?

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Is pragmatism the underlying philosophy of libertarianism?

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>>1 is 404

just fyi

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What does /liberty/ think about Murray Bookchin?

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Flag update

Can we update these flags, they look elementary as hell.

Also could a gif work?

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ye

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LMAO this board, you autistic cucks ain't /leftypol/ but boy you are almost there

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Is the only way to achieve true liberty is for the earth to experience a mass near-extinction event (similar to a plague or violent, worldwide climate event) that leaves only a small percentage of humanity alive?

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Anarchist Discord Server Invite

https://discord.gg/s5A26BW

Take the bread pill and join our Anarchist Discord Server with 200+ members we are very active and fun, hope to see you there!

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>hate commies

>reasonably racist

>too chilled out to be a /pol/ack

>too conservative to be /libert/arian

What is the right pill for me?

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Hey libfags, I found a comic of yours and made it better

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Is pushing people to commit suicide a violation of the NAP?

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Why is both the left and the 'alt-right' so fucking obsessed about skin color?

I remember racism being a non-issue in the 90's and early 00's. We were way beyond that archaic shit. What happened to judging people based on their individual character instead of their melanin count?

Now it's like we're in the twilight zone, as if we are transported back to 1932 Weimar Republic with commie and nazi LARPers clashing in the streets.

Holy shit, people are getting dumber and dumber. Millenials are a fucked generation.

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Why does leftist always wrong?

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At what age did you grow out of atheism, and how did it affect your politics?

For me it was around 21, when I realized there is too much overwhelming evidence for the existence of God. I researched Christian theology, philosophy, apologetics and creation science. It takes a lot of blind faith to believe in evolutionism, its pseudo-scientific errors and Darwin's cult followers. After having conquered cognitive dissonance and false presuppositions, I could no longer be an atheist living in denial.

As for politics, I realized how your religion or philosophical belief system helps to form your worldview. Your politics are based on a foundation, which is why left-wing socialists, communists and crazy SJW regressives are always atheists. The U.S. suffers from degeneracy and subversion by cultural marxists and postmodernists. Our biblical ethics, values and morality have been torn away and we witness the effects of it today. I feel really sorry for millenials, I would hate to raise a child in this current disgusting culture. Good thing this life is temporary and God will restore creation after the second coming of Christ.

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Conflict between leftist Venezulean critic and leftist Capitalism criticism

Keeping it short because I am tired.

Usually when you debate a leftist about Venezuela, he will tell you that Venezuela was state capitalism because the industries were controlled by the government to trade and there was no real worker ownership of the labor, so it was capitalism's fault.

Usually when you debate a leftist about Capitalism being a old invention, he will tell you that only recently has capitalism arrived, because beforewards, the king decreed where the peasants would grow their crops, and the king decreed if the trade would pass.

But only one can be true. Its the same thing except its colored by their ideology. The first situation supposes that a autocrat leading the resources is capitalism and the second supposes that a autocrat leading the resources is not capitalism.

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Would a libertarian society condone beating your wife? How can man truly be free if he can't sucker punch an uppity wench?

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have you ever experienced discrimination because of your edgy worldview/political opinions?

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Muh Roads 2.0

Many anarcho-capitalists propose private roads as an alternative to the current system of government owned or government owned/private maintained roads in a stateless society. This, however, causes issues as you can't exactly "vote with your wallet" when it comes to roads since they are kinda stuck there just like your land.

Instead I would like to propose another alternative: Roads shall be regarded as public property, but maintained by private companies. Public property means that it is the collective property of all that may make use of it, but no body can lay private claim to any section of [public] road. Any individual or organization can commission for a section of road to be repaired by any company at any reasonable time. This means that roads are maintained by competent, competing companies to the exact degree that which those using the roads would prefer but without the hassles of privatization such as tolls, rights disputes or shitty roadlords abusing their power. The incentive is still there because business owners need good roads to make good money so will pay as much as is needed to achieve this end.

This is all well and good for basic tar + gravel roads, but what about the more complex structures? Any inbred can fill a pothole, but it takes a certain level of competency and trust to be able to maintain something gargantuan like the Golden Gate Bridge. Consequently, mainenance of such structures will be more expensive, and will need more centralized authority to maintain an acceptable level of safety. So for such structures, yes they should be privately owned and funded as the proprietors see fit. Other complex structures like cloverleafs, small bridges and concrete roads may still be able to get away with public ownership.

Where I live, the only complex structures on the road network are underpasses, a 100m bridge and a smaller bridge so perhaps I am biassed as to how easy this would be. What do you urbanfags think about this?

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Just admit it, /liberty/, he was right about everything.

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https://tribune.com.pk/story/1502340/eu-members-want-tax-digital-giants-revenues/

>“We should no longer accept that these companies do business in Europe while paying minimal amounts of tax to our treasuries,” the four ministers wrote in a letter seen by Reuters.

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what would you call my ideology?

i have made a project called OSEI.

new fag here. (pic related to unity of the people)

it is a permaculture project and a way of life.

im currently at the stage of finding land to start the project.

on my page i have stated my ideology.

https://www.patreon.com/user/posts?u=6572532

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lol you fuckers are screwed

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Hey goys, any of you play POWER?

It’s basically a political simulation game where you can run for senate, gov or president. I’m part of the Libertarian party and we need more right-libertarians to btfo the statist GOP and Democrats.

The GOP are currently the dominate party and they are primarily made up of Nu/pol/, /r/The_Donald, weebs and Natsocs. The Dems are made up of mostly ‘neoliberals’ and progressives. There is also the Democratic people’s union which is mostly commie made up of /r/socialism and /leftypol/ fags. We currently have 40 in-game members and 7 seats which is far better than the DPU which have 56 members and 1 seat.

The main fun of the game comes from plotting, scheming, and shitposting on the several discords of each party. Here is the LP discord link: https://discord.io/powerlp if you join we can also help you with picking a state and strategy.

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Anarchist Discord Server Invite!!

https://discord.gg/s5A26BW

Take the bread pill and join our Anarchist Discord Server with 200+ members we are very active and fun, hope to see you there!

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US Seize Dotcom’s Assets, Despite Him Never Stepping Foot in the US

Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom has effectively abandoned all hope of retrieving millions of dollars of capital, real estate and luxury goods after the US Justice Department formally filed an asset-forfeiture with the Supreme Court on Friday.

https://leakofnations.com/us-seize-dotcoms-assets-despite-him-never-stepping-foot-in-the-us-kim-dotcom-assets-seized-by-us-megaupload-founder/

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What is socialism?

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Fascism

Communism

America beat both before. We'll do it again!

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How this was written:

Pragmatism: Scientific facts, and the practical implications thereof, must come first in any consideration of policy; philosophical arguments, and the principles derived from them, must always come second, observation + practicality before argumentation + ideology.

This document recognizes Race and IQ, which it addresses with it's Immigration and Travel policies, it recognizes the negative effects of Racial Diversity, which it addresses with it's guarantee of freedom of association, it recognizes Racial Voting habits, which it addresses with it's restrictions on government powers, and on the ability of the population to affect them, the jewish question is recognized by this document, and addresses by the forbidding of any military action that is not justified by it's nesscesity for the immediate defense of the nation, and by the forbidding or foreign aid to other countries, or to any people that are not citizens of the nation, and by the forbidding of private defense lawyers, and by the forbidding of intellectual property, and by the forbidding of all subsidization of p[rivate institutions, such as universities, and by the forbidding of all central banking, and the creation of an emergent, non-fiat currency, and the creation of an individual annual flat tax, with all of these taken together, there is no place for the jewish problem families to get any influence, nor to back up the individual problem jews, either.

Manifesto: National Libertarianism, ruled by a set of policies that may not be altered in any way, including nothing being able to be added to them, nor removed from them, the sets of policies below will include every policy it will ever have, anything not written here will be something forbidden to the government to get involved with, any attempt to alter, add to, or remove from, the policies in this document will be considered an act of treason, and those found guilty of such an act will be punished by execution.

There are only four branches of government:

The department of defense (federal), consisting of the military, intelligence, immigration, and travel, it is designed to protect the nation (defined as consisting of it's people, it's culture, it's laws, and it's government) from external threats.

The executive branch (federal), which sets the rates of the flat tax for the department of defense, and which has command over the department of defense.

The department of justice (provincial), consisting of the police, courts, prisons, and fire departments, designed to protect the nation from internal threats.

The legislative branch (provincial), which sets the rates of the flat tax for the department of justice, and which has command over the department of justice.

The department of representation, which performs two functions:

1.) The department of representation collects information on it's citizens and issues Identification to each citizen, each ID contains the following information:

A.) A clear photograph of the citizen's face (taken by the department).

B.) Full legal name (and signature, when possible).

C.) Date of birth (in day/month/year either taken from their birth certificate, or approximated by the department with an age test in cases where the certificate is unavailable or it's authenticity is in doubt).

D.) Legal sex (determined by the department with a genetic test, or from previous genetic test results, all individuals possessing at least one Y chromosome are issued a legal sex of "Male", and all individuals without even one Y chromosome are issued a legal sex of "Female" written in a red font).

E.) Intelligence quotient (determined by the department with an IQ test, IQ's below 90 are written in a red font).

F.) Religious status (all statuses the fall under "Abrahamic" (all denominations of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Ba'hai, Mormonism, or any other religion that includes the worship of the Abrahamic God, such as certain forms of Hinduism) shall be marked in a red font).

And

G.) Citizenship status (either "Natural Citizen" or "Immigrant Citizen", with "Immigrant Citizen" written in a red font, natural citizens are citizens who possess at least one biological parent that is also a natural citizen, the first natural citizens will be those individuals who had occupied this country at the time of it's founding, or were citizens of a territory that was acquired by the country at some point in it's history, immigrant citizens are individuals who has been granted the status when they applied for citizenship in this country and had been accepted)

Once issued, ID's may be reissued at the request of the holder once one year has passed, during which any tests or questions may be retaken.

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The Atlas Project

The Ayn Rand Institue is conducting a chapter-by-chapter, eight month discussion for Atlas Shrugged, for new readers and experienced alike.

https://ari.aynrand.org/blog/2017/07/28/celebrate-60-years-of-atlas-shrugged-with-the-atlas-project

>This October marks the 60th anniversary of the publication of Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand’s magnum opus. In celebration of this anniversary, ARI is sponsoring The Atlas Project, an online discussion group about the book. Participants can read a chapter a week, review and discuss questions we’ll post to the Project’s Facebook group, and watch weekly live sessions led by Greg Salmieri and me (Ben Bayer) every Tuesday night at 5:30 p.m. Pacific (8:30 p.m. eastern) via Facebook Live on the official Atlas Shrugged Facebook page. You can learn more about how the group will be run by watching the video of Greg and me up above.

>The primary intended audience of the Project is first-time readers of Atlas. For this reason, a strict no-spoiler rule will be enforced both on the online discussion group and in our Facebook Live broadcasts. But we do encourage those who’ve already read the book to read it again with us, both to experience it again on an appropriate occasion, and also to revisit what it was like to read it for the first time (in light of the experience first-time readers share with us).

http://youtube.com/channel/UCM6z9wqPxdRHjAC_Pjdp5yQ

You can sign up for the mailing list here:

http://0x0.st/fk

http://www.atlasproject.live

discussion questions for Chapter 2, "The Chain":

>Question 1: Why does Rearden “put his name on everything he touches,” and what can we infer about his character from this?

>Question 2: How does Lillian’s treatment of Hank compare to the rest of his family’s treatment?

>Question 3: How is Rearden’s approach to problems in his personal life like and unlike his approach to problems in his career?

>Question 4: In what respects are Rearden and Dagny alike, and in what respects are they different?

>Question 5: Does Rearden need personal relationships? How can we tell?

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Firemen

Alright, /liberty/. Yellowpill me on firemen. I understand the arguments perfectly well for why private firemen/insurance discounts for following fire code work better than state-funded firemen, but as far as I can tell, if I owned a restaurant, firemen are the only group of government workers I'd be willing to give a discount to because almost all the issues I hear about the fire department are either caused by non-firemen interfering in firefighting, or military firemen dumping toxic chemicals into the ground to put out military base fires (and we already know the military is a shit).

I want examples, facts, shit showing that firemen are bad and not just the bureaucracy surrounding them. We know the cops are pigs, post office workers are corrupt, and DMV workers deserve a .50Cal through the genitals and/or skull, but what about the firefighters?

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Is a state of "non-state" even possible?

I suppose this question is more oriented towards the anarchist side of /liberty/ than anyone else. As I see it, all social mammals have a sort of hierarchy or structure that to some degree maintains a cohesion within the community that allows said group to compete within its environment against other groups of organisms. Each subset of homo sapiens trivially has a hierarchy as all people have a unique arrangement of traits that either benefits them or detracts from their success based on their environment within that period of time. Is it unfair to simply view the state as sort of a gestalt of this hierarchy? It is known that individuals who seek power for themselves tend to succeed over individuals who do not. Such a behavior naturally creates structures in which there are people held in higher regard than others and such powerful people will from time to time consider the use of violence as a means of cementing their control. In a stateless society, how does one prevent the accumulation of power in such a way that it preserves their liberty and yet all at the same time prevents the "gestalt" from emerging?

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How can anyone defend the welfare state when welfare recipients are, by and large, the worst people you could ever meet? And it's not the poverty that's the problem. Welfare queens don't live in poverty. They have enough food to grow fat, they have more leisure than anyone else in society, and nowadays, all of them can afford a TV and a smartphone. If you're working and poor, chances are you have less money on your hand, and that's money you're actually working for. Besides, the working poor I've met weren't that bad. Still plebs, but not bad people at all. Not bitter and envious like the welfare queens, and unlike them, they actually genuinely care about family. In that regard, at least where I live, they're the best people you could hope to meet.

Crime ins't the problem, either. Where does all the crime come from in the first place? Would be one hell of a coincidence if it exploded at just the same time that the welfare state became overbearing. Poverty existed before the crime wave of the 60's, so it cannot be the cause. That poverty causes crime at all is unproven, too. The correlation is rather between crime and entitlement. Besides, if welfare was an effective means of fighting poverty, and if poverty caused crime, then we would expect a correlation between welfare and lack of crime. Yet such a correlation does not exist, so… how come people take any part of this narrative serious?

Nor is the main issue race. Every country that I know of has its "white trash" that's associated with welfare. Here in Germany, we call them "Hartzer". The stereotype is a fat, middle-aged women who constantly fights with her husband in some strange dialect no one understands and doesn't look after her three children, all of whom have trendy names. Terribly original, I know. That's my point: Every country has shitty, white people because of the welfare state. So race cannot be the main issue.

We know that voters are driven by emotions, but where is the emotion of disgust when it comes to people who lived twenty years on welfare? Everyone hates welfare queens, but no one dares make them the target of an attack. It's really not that hard to differentiate them from the people that genuinely cannot work or that haven't found a new job after a few months, either.

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BAD GOYIM

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How do we deal with rise of leftists academia?

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Price Gouging

THE MISLEADING CLAIM: "Price-gouging after a natural disaster is reprehensible and should strictly be outlawed.”

THE REALITY: Such restrictions negatively affect the supply of goods, exacerbating shortages. As professor of economics and finance Mark J. Perry states, "Anti-price gouging laws are really ‘pro-shortage’ laws."

This is an issue most decent-hearted people simply misunderstand. Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman's infamous research on the matter indicated that 80% of surveyed people said raising prices after a severe weather emergency was unfair. [b] Meanwhile, only 7-8% of surveyed ECONOMISTS agreed. [c] This isn’t as much about ethics as it is about knowledge. Most people agree that victims shouldn’t be harmed. What the general public isn’t aware of, however, is that anti-price gouging laws ARE harmful.

From the paper “The Ethics of Price Gouging,” Associate Professor of Philosophy Matt Zwolinski explains:

“Holding prices low, voluntarily or by regulation, may seem to achieve justice in the microcosm, but it does so at the cost of keeping the microcosm static, and preventing the influx of supply that would alleviate concerns…” [d] He recounted the following story:

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Welfare

>Tfw you have to pay for mandatory insurance and public broadcasting unless you receive some kind of welfare

>Tfw the state actively punishes you for not leeching from it

Great. Just fucking great. But hey, at least demand is boosted and the velocity of money increased and just fuck all this sophistry, they come up with a new one every two weeks.

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Leftypol Contradictions

How can leftypol claim exploitation is immoral while claiming morality is a spook?

How can leftypol claim to be against objectivity while believing in an objective theory of value?

How can leftypol believe that property rights are spooks but support personal property right? Is there really a distinction between private property and personal property?

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What does /liberty/ think of the DACA thing? I know, in the ideal scenario, everyone would have their own borders around their private property and things like national borders and immigration would be a non issue. But since it currently is an issue, what do you think is the right move? Physically remove the fruit picking geniuses or let them stay?

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germany is doomed

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Can we morally condemn socialist revolutionaries, given that their fellow countrymen were starving to death?

I would be angry at rich people too, and might have been persuaded, if I was ignorant enough, of the need for a new system.

I'm less willing to forgive in 2017, but I think it's true that in France, Russia, and China people regularly starved

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Board-tan

>>>/sudo/42783

Well, /liberty/?

I bitched about the fact that he's asking artists to be paid in exposure, but we might as well get in on this if we can. I'm thinking we should submit AnCap Grill, but these three fuckers seem to be what we're most known for.

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/liberty/ goes to the courtroom

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who /teamsarwark/ here???????

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Is the Liberty Movement Meaningless?

This isn't to say that statism of any kind is good. It's just that when you examine the liberty movement closely, especially all the time and involvement you've invested, what have we voluntaryists accomplished? Sure you may have deconverted a few statists, but did we ever accomplish anything major? States are still destroying lives, and barely anyone's listening. All we get is constant frustration, constant depression, and constant suffering.

Mass movements only foster frustration from their supporters, and the liberty movement is no different. We spend so much time debating, deconverting, sharing memes, videos, articles, and so on, but none of it accomplishes anything significant. We're still frustrated and depressed with the world, but no matter what we say or do, it does absolutely nothing to liberate people. Is this because, despite our fruitless efforts, we seek a sense of comfort and company with the movement in the face of a cruel statist world?

Perhaps this is why apolitical people, especially artists, are the happiest people you'll ever meet. They feel confident and peaceful in they're lives, they take pride and a sense of accomplishment in having created something, whether it be art, music, a garden, or so on. They don't concern themselves with mass movements and politics, they're not the kind of people to bombard themselves with yellow journalism about how the world sucks and huff n' puff bullshit that amounts to nothing in the end like any of the "Happenings" if you've been to /pol/.

I'm not claiming we should all forget about libertarianism, the true meaning of money, or the delusion of government. First, we should just ignore all the huff n' puff yellow journalism bullshit that serves no purpose but to frustrate or depress us, even from voluntaryist news sources. The only thing you get from reading an article or watching a video about how this or that tyrant or dark occultist got into power, or how these two countries might nuke each other is frusturation, anger and depression.

Second, we should channel are efforts into organizations with clear goals rather than mass movements with vague unachievable goals and no viable means to accomplish them. Agorism, as popular as it may be, is one of these movements, and relies on the notion of the black market outcompeting the state, but disregards the incentives of the people as well as a clear goal. Liberland and the Seasteading Institute have already started to accomplish their first goals.

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Venezuela

wasn't

real

socialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le86H7Xfjrc

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The Art of the Argument

What did Stefan mean by this?

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Opportunity to set up a liberty institute in NH

The campus of the former Daniel Webster College, located in Nashua, NH (a city of roughly 86,000 Granite Staters) is being auctioned off. I'm thinking this would be a great opportunity for liberty activists to pool their money, purchase the campus, and set up our own school with the objective of promoting liberty. Similar to how Hillsdale College teaches the liberal arts in a NeoCon fashion, or how about any other college teaches the liberal arts in a Marxist fashion, we should set up a Mises Institute-type school in the heart of Libertaria.

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Are Classical Liberals pretty much just moderated Social Democrats?

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Utah wants to ban porn, for your health and safety

How will the pornstars living in Utah like Asia Carers handle government intrusion?

https://governorblog.utah.gov/2016/04/governor-signs-anti-pornography-bills-declaring-public-health-crisis/

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anarcho capitalism in effect: a primer

by the same guy who made the "What libertarian are you" flowchart, that being me

how'd i do?

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https://theirontabletsofodin.blogspot.ca/ …feel free to spread around the net… my document 'the iron tablet of odin'

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Reading Club

Can we try this again? No one really tried when we decided to read 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress'.

Discussing a chapter every three days or every week sounds good. Anyone interested? Fiction or Non-Fiction, doesn't matter.

'Human Action' by Mises could be a good first book.

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HAPPY ATLAS SHRUGGED DAY!

Today's September the second. According to The Journals of Ayn Rand, she began writing Atlas Shrugged on September 2, 1946.

- "A white rectangle hung over the city, imparting the date to the men in the streets below. In the rusty light of this evening’s sunset, the rectangle said: September 2."

- Eddie Willers walks through NYC and is bothered by the city's gigantic calendar announcing "September 2nd."

- Hank Rearden and Dagny Taggart take a vacation and discover an abandoned motor.

- Francisco D'Anconia's money speech is made on September 2nd at Jim and Cheryl Taggart's wedding.

- D'Anconia Copper is nationalized on September 2nd and the date on the calendar is replaced with "Brother, you asked for it!"

>"The people in the story are functioning, in their human moments, on old premises and principles, i.e., on the principles left over from the creators' world, the principles of the strikers—to the extent to which they exist and function as human beings at all. They do not realize it, of course. Their avowed principles are those of collectivism and altruism. But whenever they have to act upon, or rely upon, or appeal to, decency or sense—they are implying the principles of the creators. This has a desperate quality—particularly when someone points it out to them; they are counting on the ideas they have denounced and discarded. (Example: any appeal to honesty, honor, integrity, rational sense—or personal profit. Along these lines: Francisco d'Anconia pointing out the mistake of assuming that he wishes to make money.)"

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Besides rejecting the messiah, find a flaw.

If he was a Christian he would be perfect.

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Organized Crime

>Not allowed to own farms, change their status, or marry outside their social caste

>With limited prospects for the future, the Japanese Burakumin begin to criminalize. As gambling entered society, they were the ones that predominately ran the parlors. And now with this limited amount of wealth and power to protect, they formed gangs because the government wan't going to protect them. In fact, it was openly hostile to them. So now, almost 3 out of every 4 Yakuza members come from the Barakumin class."

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What's your opinion on this article, /liberty/?

http://www.businessinsider.com/gig-economy-milton-friedman-full-employment-wage-growth-2017-8

I don't see how Friedman's "assumption" is disproved in this article. It appears that dotcom businesses are able to respond more quickly to wage adjustments than other employers due to flexible wage contracts.

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Ok, I've found this shit in my hard disk, and i can't remember where i get it.

Btw, what do you think about it.

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Libertarians are just centrists in denial tbh

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/liberty/'s own website

Also for The Book of /liberty/

https://bookofliberty.github.io/

Instead of waiting for months for a new book, now we have a website. Although I'm not the anon who originally had this idea, I'd still like to read the articles.

If you have a github account, open a pull request. If you just want your article published, post it ITT, I'll upload it. You can also message me at github or create a new paste at gist.github.com .

Git Repo : https://github.com/bookofliberty/bookofliberty.github.io

My git page : https://github.com/checkyourpremises

Because we're writing everything in markdown, I can generate a pdf out of this and host it on github. The website is hosted for free.

If someone can post the pdf of the ollllder books, that'd be great.

Markdown is the format in which you write documents. The site generator automatically converts them to webpages. Markdown is exactly like comment formatting here.

I don't care if it's a half-assed article, just post something. Everything can be sorted into categories first and the final articles can be pruned from the huge list.

What I am NOT going to do is put up links for pirated content on the website, or post copyrighted articles. I object to it morally, and it's get our website kicked for violating the terms of service. ALso, I'm not very comfortable with the idea of the website being used as a source for piracy. If you want to share links, do it on /liberty/ and not on the website.

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Hello I am U of SA how would I minimize the amount of tax moni the guv takes from me?

Where do I move and what do I do?

Is there a way to not at all?

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From: /leftypol/

Started on: halfchan /pol/, then to halfchan /mlp/, then to /mlpol/, then /leftypol/, and now you guys. Tick tock.

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David Friedman

Is it just me, or is David Friedman a bit marginalized by his fellow ancaps? I rarely find him cited or recommended in ancap books. I've heard he and Rothbard had some bad blood, and that he threw a shitfit during a debate with Bob Murphy. I'm aware of his Chicagoan approach to economics (that we need a (voluntary) central bank) and politics (that gobber munt is not inherently evil, just ineffecient). Also, that he's utilitarian. Still, he has some good ideas and Machinery of Freedom was a breddy gud book.

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what is ron paul's stance on "intellectual property"?

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Thoughts?

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Anarcho-Transhumanism Thread

(Why is there no anarcho-transhumanist flag?)

It seems to me that technology is the only way to achieve true anarchism. I know a lot of anarcho-transhumanists/antechs are leftist, but honestly technology could lead to the means of production becoming robots that are cryptographically verified as belonging to you, so private property would be able to defend itself. Capitalism is an economic technology itself. I think in the future, we could all be capitalists and design shit and then use our personal robot workers to make stuff to sell to each other, in a totally mutual capitalist economy, and there would also be a lot of things people could make with 3D printers/additive manufacturing machines once they get really advanced. Sounds absurd now, but with how fast companies in China are automating shit, it's the long term trend and it seems like it's not super far off now. Some statists are starting to use this to argue for ubi or even communism, but I think the end of direct work will actually involve widespread advancement into everyone being capitalistic. Even now a lot of people work from their computers, a means of production they own.

Another thing is that with full automation welfare wouldn't be needed, because charity would become exponential (sort of, it would be limited by resources and land obviously), since as soon as you can get a human level robot and a super-advanced 3D printer, you get free income from the capital you own, and can then use that to gather resources and energy to build more robots, so everyone's living standards would shoot way up, and things would get pretty comfy.

The primary sticking block to anarcho-capitalism is that most people are too weak for it, but with technology that could change, because things would be a lot cheaper, and there would be high levels of automation, but potentially down the line due to transhumanism meaning that rugged individualism doesn't involve a massive culling of people who aren't rugged enough for it. That's the only way I can see the majority of the public eventually coming round to anarcho-capitalism and slowly abandoning statism, because most people want to be free, they are just too weak and frightened to be anything but slaves to politicians.

Obviously, wealth inequality would increase massively with transhumanism, but none of that shit matters if living standards as a whole rise massively, and the incapable are able to gain new capabilities through technology.

So, I think we'll have to wait a while until an anarchist society is likely, but in the meantime we should probably make sure that we at least push back against centralized militaristic government so that we don't get some kind of skynet scenario due to the military industrial complex. Statism would make AI more dangerous because it would centralize it and put in control of more things, leaving no counterbalancing intelligence. The libertarian party should probably promote upcoming technologies as solutions to the government problem. If you think about it, cryptocurrencies and existing (if shitty) 3D printers are just the start of that movement. That's going to be the successful way of getting libertarianism to be popular, in preparation for future technologies that make take us to anarchy.

We definitely shouldn't let commies monopolize the full automation meme, otherwise they'll be positioned politically to take over later in this Century.

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So what's to stop collusion, and price-fixing from happening in ancapistan?

What's to prevent a private LEO from obtaining enough power to become a de-facto state by itself?

How would legal action even work in ancapistan?

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/liberty/ goes to the police station

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.

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What are the arguments used by Classical Liberals and Minarchists regarding the tendency of small/limited States to grow over time?

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Taiping Rebellion

You know, /liberty/, every once in a while I just pick a random atrocity, famine or tyrant from my mental list and check what's to blame. Almost every time, the results are among the following:

>Democracy

>Socialism

>Egalitarianism

>Collectivism

>Ooga booga how do into civilization

Lately, I checked for Hong Xiquan and his Taiping Rebellion. This rebellion killed about twenty million people during the 19th century, although very few people have heard about it. I looked into it, and here's an excerpt from Wikipedia I found:

>Within the land that it controlled, the Taiping Heavenly Army established a totalitarian, theocratic, and highly militarized rule.[10]

>The subject of study for the examinations for officials changed from the Confucian classics to the Bible.

>Private property ownership was abolished and all land was held and distributed by the state.[11]

>A solar calendar replaced the lunar calendar.

>Foot binding was banned. (The Hakka people had never followed this tradition, and consequently the Hakka women had always been able to work the fields.[12])

>Society was declared classless and the sexes were declared equal. At one point, for the first time in Chinese history civil service exams were held for women. Some sources record that Fu Shanxiang, an educated woman from Nanjing, passed them and became an official at the court of the Eastern King.

>The sexes were rigorously separated.[13] There were separate army units consisting of women only; until 1855, not even married couples were allowed to live together or have sexual relations.[14]

>The Qing-dictated queue hairstyle was abandoned in favor of wearing the hair long.

>Other new laws were promulgated including the prohibition of opium, gambling, tobacco, alcohol, polygamy (including concubinage), slavery, and prostitution. These all carried death penalties.

Abolition of private property and a classless society. I rest my case.

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use-value

So, as we all know from experience, an argument over the theory of value with a Marxist will ultimately devolve into one of three things:

>Adam Smith

>Prices are reflections of exchange-value but fluctuate around an intrinsic value

>Representing intrinsic value through labor is non-arbitrary because reasons (usually an assertion that all value, including all utility and scarcity somehow, is ultimately dependent upon labor)

The second and third points are usually addressed with counterfactuals. However,

what I see as the most flawed component of Marx's theory of value–use-value–is seldom addressed beyond our allusions to marginal utility. Use-value is tantamount to Marx's concept of product/commodity utility, which exists as a disinct concept from his exchange-value (which only manifests when commodities are being sold). Because Marx rejects consumer sovereignty as a market force, he must assert that resource allocation is conducted by the capitalist on the basis of use-value independent of mutual economic action through exchange, implying that the capitalist has some special insight on the inherent value of the commodity being produced (perhaps through labor). Kant would be rolling in his grave. Neoclassical theory asserts that exchange under subjective value involves both parties profiting due to higher valuation of the other party's commodity and vice versa, resulting in an equilibrium price via an agreed upon means of exchange. Marxists, however, contend that all exchanges occur because one party holds no use-value for the exchanged commodity, resulting in the producer profiting an assymetrical amount. The flaw in this should be obvious–if this were the case, all exchanges would soon occur for no profit, as the consumer would successfully negotiate lower and lower prices as the producer does not value the good beyond its exchange value, which fluctuates around an intrinsic value that supposedly aligns with the cost of labor input (this, I believe, is one of Marx's "contradictions of capitalism" which causes the rate of profit to fall, along with the one about consumers being unable to afford commodities because labor value decreases). However, this is observably not the case, as all commodities–even those that are extremely cheap to produce–must be sold for a profit, otherwise no non-coercive production would have ever occurred or have continued to occur. If Marx's theory held true, consumers would quickly see trade as some sort of elaborate trick where the commodity producer invents a price above the cost of production resulting in a swift end to all markets, while in reality it is obvious to all economic actors that the profit motive is what gives the producer incentive to produce against risk. Of course, Marx obfuscates this with several dubious sociological theories. Thus, we must adopt a view of aggregate utiliy that synthesizes both use and exchange in order to understand the market. It would seem that Marx tries to rationalize his theory of social relations with ad-hoc economic theory rather than deduce his economic theory from his theory of social relations.

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What type of libertarian are you? flowchart

Made this just now. Thought it'd be interesting, since I haven't seen anybody try to cover all the modern libertarian schools of thought as they are relevant now.

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Please, educate me

You have a country with high unemployment, low inflation and a relatively high Gini ratio like Spain or Greece.

Then you implement a basic income raised through taxation of the wealthiest people (let's say half the minimum wage or so). With that extra income people start consuming more and aggregate demand goes up. Since the producers of goods need to remain competitive they increase their production and hire previously unemployed people instead of raising selling prices and then the aggregate demand doesn't cause an excessive inflation. Et, voilà, the unemployment and deflation problem is gone.

I know this must be wrong from a libertarian perspective. Could you explain to me where is the flaw in my logic or my knowledge of economics?

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What must be done

We all know that anarcho-capitalism, austrian economic thought, and liberty in general are the answers to several of the societal problems we face today, but it seems that putting these ideas in action is not getting the focus it needs. Instead of creating local communities and convincing our neighbours, we focus on arguing against unemployed communists on /leftypol/. Instead of discussing how we can get these amazing ideas out to the general population, we are driving our heads into theory and arguing over semantics and trying to prove for the fifteenth thousandth time that roads can be built by private industry.

We all know the theory and know the counter-arguments, so I suggest that much more focus must be placed on general strategy and how to popularise our ideas, because it will be impossible to reach and maintain the stage of society where the state is abolished if people still believe in the state (most of the time, they aren't even aware of ideas contradicting the state).

People usually listen to reasoned arguments, and they usually aren't incredibly stupid save for malicious ideologues. Opposition to the ideas of liberty is usually not based on malice or reasoned foundations, but because someone else in a position of authority (societal or personal) has told them that social-democratic ideas are reasonable, usually these ideas are delivered gift-wrapped in appeals to emotion and other things ancaps would never be caught dead doing.

It seems to me that it is impossible to gain support by encouraging people to read Human Action. Supports of anarcho-capitalism needs to seriously consider a rebranding and also somehow coordinate strategy to popularise and "giftwrap" our ideas in an accessible and easily digestible format. We must adopt the playbook of our predecessors who achieved massive social change - that is, appeal to the average citizen (who I can assure you does not care about comparisons between economic calculation and central planning).

Appealing to the average citizen this way is NOT done through distribution of the bibles of anarcho-capitalism written by people like Hayek and Mises (with the exception of intellectually-aligned people). No, in order to convince the general public, we have to become a trendy movement, a movement that people attach to so they can virtue-signal to their friends that they are progressive and forward-looking. This is the kind of marketing we must adopt in order to gain mass adoption, not complex infographics as to why the federal reserve is useless. Most importantly, we must show how our ideas will impact the average citizen and push marketing on the practical sides of things, not the theoretical side of things.

This is what must be done, not pointless intellectual circlejerks on youtube comments.

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We should turn 'economic authoritarianism' into a meme

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Why do libertarians love Greek and Roman shit so much? All the time I see libertarians referencing Ancient Greece and/or Rome (agorism, Mercatus, Cato, Hydra; giving themselves new names like Eris, Antigone, Eleutherios, Invictus). What gives?

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Group identities

People clearly take energy and pride from identities that are superior to the merely personal and human. In fact ethnic and national pride correlates positively with mental health, despite allegations about schizophrenic Jew-haters. No wonder the far right attracts so much enthusiasm, despite an incredibly hostile climate from the elites. Attacks on pride and solidarity feel bad because they actually make us unwell.

The state plays an important role in protecting and cultivating group identities. The question is- how far would they be able to survive and flourish in a libertarian society without government borders, public education, nation states themselves to be loyal to, etc?

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Has /liberty/ been, dare I say it, BTFO?

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I'm not sure where there is a larger aggregation of monarchists so I might as well ask here. What legitimizes a monarch? "Bloodline" is not an argument, by the way.

But even if it were, what about countries that are historically without a monarch or their only monarch is imposed by foreign powers. Assuming most monarchists are edgy burgers, how would you bring about your style of monarchy to the USA or whatever state after a presumed balkanization?

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Private Liability

A private institution is liable for their property and how it is used. In an AnCap society, if a university on a major road for example accepts more students than they can house resulting in increases in traffic and increased collisions resulting from large bodies of additional students parking across the street and using crosswalks/commuting to school, causing delays to other sectors of the community such as industry and utilities, then the university is (partially) liable for these effects since they knowingly utilized their property under the assumption that they would force private actors to utilize surrounding space that they likely do not own.

In such a situation the university (or company or mall or etc.) should be liable for either increasing their housing, easing their contribution in travel/transportation (whether through buses, overhead bridges, etc.), or paying into increased traffic accidents caused by students commuting to the community.

To disagree is to suggest that private institutions deserve subsidized profits. This is perfectly in line with private property and ownership.

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wtf im a commie now

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 真実 

 

米国は自らを自由・平等の国というが、それは全くの偽りだ。

 

ヴァージニア州での、南北戦争時の南軍将軍の銅像に関しての「保全すべき」派 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) と「撤去すべき」派 (多くは反白人至上主義者であると思われる) の衝突で、トランプは珍しく双方を平等に扱ったが、米国社会の多くがそれに不満を表明している。

 

ヴァージニア州知事にいたっては、白人至上主義団体の者らに対し、「米国にいらないから、出ていけ」といった人権侵害も甚だしい言動を自慢げにする始末だ。

 

米国には「内心の自由」がない。

 

米国人の多くには、「主義(思想など内心にあるもの)」と「主張(他者に向けて表現されたもの)」の区別がつけられない。

 

米国には「集会・結社の自由」がない。

 

米国人の多くは、特定の思想・信条を持つ者らの集会を認めないのを、当然だと思っている。

 

米国には「平等」や「公正さ」といったものが著しく欠如している。

 

ちょっと前のロス・アンジェルスの暴動に対してもそうだったが、「人種差別反対」と唱えていれば、多少の乱暴や狼藉が許されてしまう。

 

米国で「反人種主義」を唱えて運動している者らは、「人種」ではなく、米国籍であるという「国籍」、ないし米国で暮らしているという「居所」で、他国の人に大きな面をして、他国の人を差別的に扱いたがっているだけだ。

 

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Before you go: "yet another pedo thread go fuck yourself", Consider the following:

>It's legal to own and distribute videos of people being tortured and killed(including kids) but it's illegal to own pictures of naked little girls making sexy poses.

>it's legal to cut away a part of newborn's penis but it's illegal to give a blowjob to a 15yo boy

>It's legal for 16yos to fuck each other(in some states) but they can be arrested if they record themselves.

>It's legal for 16yo to enlist to the military(potentially getting sent to where they can be killed) but illegal for them to be recorded furing sex.

>it's legal to do porn in general but prostitution is illegal.

Thoughts on this? How do we change it?

(If you don't agree debate me.)

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Is this really the average "libertarian" in the LP of America?

>tl;dw

>guy planned to attend a free speech rally

>antifa on Twitter find out and report him to his boss as being a nazi

>he gets fired

>he talks to the antifa and befriends them

>gives them his email address and phone number

>works with them to stop other free speech rallies in order to "avoid more violence"

>is attacked by both alt-right and antifa

>still has no job

>feels like he has no friends

Even Tom almost lost his temper and asked him if these are values he would to teach his children(befriend and trust those who got you fired and called you a nazi)? If I were to use a /pol/ word to best describe him, it would be cuck.

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New Book of /liberty/ - Ultimate Edition

As you all, we once started a project where we collected essays and put them into one book, called the Book of /liberty/. As you might also know, we had quite some leftists on this board back then and weren't quite as rabid towards each other. As a result, the Book of /liberty/ was filled with disdainful and disgusting leftist falsehoods, including an essay by Bob Black on how we should go back to the ancient times where people lived a more playful existence, unburdened by work. Not sure whether this carefree and relaxed life referred to the Helots or to the hordes of Timur. Who cares about historical reality when you can bitch about your cubicle job all day, anyway?

Not satisfied with the results, I started a new project, the New Book of /liberty/. The thread got slided to oblivion before we got more than two or three essays. That was a little more than a year ago, I think, but I remain undeterred and would like to start a similar project.

This time, we would write the thing ourselves, not create an anthology of pre-released stuff. Chapters could deal with topics like crime, military defense, caring for the poor, the role of religion in libertarianism, the errors of communism, and so on. Or, and I like this idea even more, we could have a general discussion on ethics and economics and then go on to describe each form of government/society with pro- and counter-arguments, or just counter-arguments if there's a consensus they're shit.

We got a lot of smart heads here and many different viewpoints, so I think that even if this went nowhere, we would at least end up with an interesting collection of facts and ideas.

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/r/socialism unveils its demographics. Extrapolatable to /leftypol/.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1z9MdCiO-0Dlomd1MaOxv7aOZJabobYTPD7wyYXdq0OA/viewanalytics

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How would private borders for communities/covens/societies/nations work in Anarcho-Capitalism?

How would one know where the borders of one nation ends and the ones of another begins?

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 アメリカ人には人権への尊重といったものがない 

 

「内心の自由」は、人権の中でも最も重要なもののひとつである。

 

「人身の自由」には刑罰における自由刑 (懲役や禁錮など) などによる例外はあるが、自由かつ民主的な社会では「内心の自由」には例外がない。

 

中国には国家に都合のよい思想を強制するような刑罰 (「思想教育・矯正」などといわれるもの) があり、中国は「内心の自由」を否定している。

 

これが、中国が人権を著しく蹂躙していると非難されてきた理由の大きなひとつである。

  

最近のアメリカでの「人種差別反対」を唱える示威行動には、他者 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) に対し、白人至上主義という主義を内心にあることをあからさまに排撃するところがある。

 

それは、他者の人権への尊重・配慮といったものの欠如を如実に表している。

 

 

白人至上主義者であろうとも、それに基ずく集会は、「集会の自由」で守られるべきものである。

 

「集会の自由」も人権の一つである。

 

最近のアメリカでの「人種差別反対」を唱える示威行動には、他者 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) に対し、白人至上主義者の集会をあからさまに排撃するところがある。

 

それは、他者の人権への尊重・配慮といったものの欠如を如実に表している。

 

 

白人至上主義者であろうとも、それに基ずく結社は、「結社の自由」で守られるべきものである。

 

「結社の自由」も人権の一つである。

 

最近のアメリカでの「人種差別反対」を唱える示威行動には、他者 (多くは白人至上主義者であると思われる) に対し、白人至上主義者の結社をあからさまに排撃するところがある。

 

それは、他者の人権への尊重・配慮といったものの欠如を如実に表している。

 

 

「差別」とは、「思想・信条」ではなく、「行為」である。

 

「平等」も人権の一つである。

 

これのためなどと言って他者の人権を侵害するような行為を為すのは、自由かつ民主的な社会の破壊でしかない。

 

  

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actual moderation?

sorry about the meta thread, as I am typing this I realize I should probably just hijack a shitposting thread but whatever

now I know a lot of us constantly ask for better moderation in regards to shitposts because it is lacking in some peoples eyes, but that very lack of moderation left me surprised when I actually saw some deleted posts just now

I probably read those shitposts days ago but I cannot for the life of me remember what they were about, they sorta all blend together in my memory, so what were they about?

also general meta thread so that my thread isnt useless, come here to complain about or praise the moderation I guess.

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/srz/

>>>/srz/ is a board about protecting free speech by way of user-enabled action throughout 8chan and the net. if you like free speech, be sure to stop by!

I figured I might advertise here since the board has a non-authoritarian bent and people here might appreciate it. We're a tiny board, but we're looking to get bigger!

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Confederate statues

How does /liberty/ feel about them?

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Why is the GOP throwing the fight?

I completely do not understand why the GOP isn't fighting back against all this bullshit, because they are currently at their strongest since the end of the Civil War. Consider: If the Democrats win their best possible outcome in 2018—that's winning every state that Hillary won AND winning every state where Hillary lost within 3 percentage points–they lose five senate seats.

That bears repeating: If Democrats win every blue and every purple state in the midterms, they still face a net LOSS of five senators.

If the GOP wins just two more state legislature majorities they could amend the Constitution without a single Democratic vote.

The average age of the House Republican leadership is 47. The average age of the House Democratic leadership is 76. That means in about 10 years, everyone who would've been in Hillary Clinton's cabinet will be dead, and all the Republicans will be in the prime of their careers. It's possible that Donald Trump could have three additional Supreme Court appointments before the end of his first term.

The Democrats spent the entire last election shrieking that Trump was a white supremacist and calling his supporters ebil nazis, and lost. Their response? To double down on this idiocy. Who are they trying to *win over* with this statue crusade? It appeals to no one but their rapidly shrinking base of psychopaths who are incapable of presenting themselves in a way that doesn't appear like a creepy fucking cult.

So, having said all that, what's the fucking deal? Why are they just sitting there and letting this happen?

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Will an anarchist society have private sector imperialism- funded by stock markets, waging war through mercenaries, and conquering poorly armed native tribes?

The prospect of qt 14 year old war brides might enable us to recruit a lot of people to our cause

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are stereotypes just generalisations? so are they generally more true than untrue?

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hold me /liberty/

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I've been wondering, do you guys have any empirical evidence to back up the claims to your ideology? Are markets not freer now in not just the rest of the world, but in places like America too, than they were nearly a century ago? If so, then why have real wages been stagnant, while labor, and business de-regulations continue to be doled out.

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Austria vs Chicago

Are they very much the same on the Macro level while only disagreeing on the Micro level? I enjoy Friedman and Sowell but haven't yet checked out the Austrian school.

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Why do young people and especially millenials seem so attracted to communism/socialism? It seems like everyone has his edgy teenager phase where he thinks he has the world figured out.

Sheltered leftists that had everything handed to them, college kids who have not experienced the real world yet, or some punk who has never worked in his entire life. Why are all these retards attracted to communism like a moth to a flame? Is it because it appeals to their FEELINGS more than logic or facts?

It "sounds" good but they stop at the theory part. It's the evil faceless corporate white man swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck that's keeping us "The People(tm)" down.

It's like they are completely oblivious to the horrors of socialism and how it has killed millions of people. Every socialist country ends up in failure or total collapse, people starving and eating cats/pidgeons to survive.

How do they fail such basic historic education?

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>>>/liberty/

More like

>>>/slavery/