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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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Welcome to Liberty!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime.

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What do you think about homeschooling?

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Why is pol such a safe space? Every ancap BTFOs racism and they just ban them.

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what do you think about alex jones?

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can we destroy gynocracy somehow? any cyberterrorists in here to help in doing so?

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Why do Nazis keep poaching our best ancap personalities? helicopters, molyjew, LLA now. What do we do about this? I can't say how many times people have attacked me in debates just because other ancaps have decided to become Nazis. What's the best response to people insinuating there is some kind of connection?

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what do you think about north carolina?

t. european who would like to visit this state

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Would door-to-door salesmen exist in an ancap society or would they all be shot because they violate the NAP by trespassing on someone else's property?

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>Ideology Federalism,


>Algerianism[citation needed]




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Scientists are like Oranges

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How do Marxists reconcile the fact that every instance of their ideology has killed millions?

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…says a fucking Federalist.

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i have seen somewhere pic proving that multiculturalism is bad (causing more crime) but i cannot find that pic on my hard drive so i did not save it probably

can you link to research papers about that an so on please?

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Are Neocons Even People?

There's a documentary film out called A Very Heavy Agenda. It's about neocons. Robert Martin made the film. It's 7 hours long, broken up into 3 parts, and the subject matter is depressing. It's the best film on the subject that I've ever seen. I already despised neocons before I watched A Very Heavy Agenda. Now I wish horrible things on these people. Also, if you have neocon hate memes, please post them. Thank you. This is one of the trailers. https://youtu.be/6AfWvajx7fo

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Cultural Marxism

Do any of you think the conspiracy is real or no? I've read a bit of Frankfurt School (Erich Fromm and some Walter Benjamin in media studies) and I personally found them insufferable but in no way part of a "conspiracy theory."




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who is the worker?

so in state communism or state socialism "the people" or the "worker" means the political class, be it lobbyists or a dictator or a council of some sort

but this is liberty so lets throw state bullshit out the window.


I am pretty sure the guy in the ditch is a worker, are the others?

is a planner or manager a valid worker?

who plans and manages?

if "the workers" plan and manage what happens if they disagree?

if there are people who do not fall into the definition of "worker" but do something that there is demand for, how does that thing get done?

also someone here probably has the clean version of this image and I would like it if it isnt to much of a bother.

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The first Eurovision entries this year are here!


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The Cannabis Question

If fascists/national-socialists legalized weed, would you stop being a libertarian?

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cody wilson strikes back

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I had the idea in our reading-thread that we should have a kind of /liberty/-reading month, or rather two or three months where we all read some book to discuss. Like what /lit/ has, basically, except that we have users.

I know that at least one other anon would be interested in this, so I thought I'd make this thread instead of bumping the reading-thread endlessly. So, here it is. For the first round (if there's enough interest), I have these two books to offer. The first is some kind of meme-book that everyone and his mom thinks absolutely destroys capitalism. I'm one-third through, and I think it kinda does something. Not sure yet what it's trying to tell me, I'm mostly posting it because so far, I haven't heard a libertarian perspective on this thing, and I'm not good enough with anthropology to make a judgement on the facts in it. The second book is The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and I've already read it. All I want to say is that it's bae, and I could scan my version if /liberty/ is interested. Of course I'm open for other suggestions, I don't want to be the smug asshole who recommends books he has already read or is already reading anyway.

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How will a libertarian society deal with the problems non-binary people face everyday?

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Why do you cucks support a system that's built on coercion, is destroying the environment and will collapse due to automation?

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we have active christianfag here so let me ask offtop question to religion specialists

why didn't Jews accept Jesus as a messiah? many prophecies from the old testament were fulfilled by jesus

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Jason Blaha is a Libertarian


Go to 2:39

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The first "contradiction" of capitalism

So I wrote a paper about automation in the market with regards to so-called "technological progressivism" for my senior seminar, and I received a return copy of the paper with a note from the professor dismissing my argument regarding marginal productivity (deductively through the action-axiom) through TRPF (specifically, the part about lower wages resulting in lower profits) the guy has a Rousseau quote tattooed on his arm, so I don't really hold him in high regard, as you can imagine. To his credit, the direction of the class has been overall critical of progressivism. I got an 85% percent on the thing, so I'm going to go contest it tomorrow with him. When it comes time to address the aforementioned part of the paper, is it sufficient for me just to dismiss his point on the failure of the LTV as an explanatory model? I feel like making an argument from indeterminacy would be a better rebuttal, but that would also kind of fly in the face of my contention that increased productivity is a net-positive. I feel like there's a deduction that I'm missing by going from STV → marginal utility → lower wages don't matter.

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Scott Alexander, my favorite blogger, just reuploaded his Non-Libertarian FAQ:


Thoughts? Some of it sounds convincing to me.

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are jews more libertarian than other races? please give me some corelations between races and political ideologies. so far i know that blacks are more socialistic

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What exactly is his deal anyway?

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Free State Project

Hello fellow liberty lovers,

I signed up for the FSP back in 2011 when I was in college and stupid. Now that the "Project" hit the 20k signup goal back in winter I'm thinking about moving to New Hampshire. I'm currently living in Baltimore and have lived in NJ and briefly Rhode Island for a time so New England weather is nothing to me (NH is actually LESS cold than NJ).

Is the FSP legit, or is it bullshit? I remember hearing a former Free Stater who is no longer a libertarian and who now lives in Taxachussetts claim the FSP has had so many internal problems it was almost dissolved years ago and many of the libertarians in NH are pretty much the "losers" who joined because they had nothing left to lose. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

I consider my views to be left-libertarian, similar to the people you see on C4SS although I'm not an SJW. I should fit right in if I decide to actually move.

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Liberty is Fascist

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Tor General

General thread for Onion Relay folks.

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76/sp/ GET

Freedom ain't free.

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Techno Decentralism

I just found out about this guy making videos. I just watched the first one so far but I'm not necessarily sold on his arguments. What do you guys think?

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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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>To this end, the mercenary army of the Cuyamel Fruit Company, led by Gen. Christmas, carried out a coup d'état against President Miguel R. Dávila (1907–11) and installed General Manuel Bonilla as his successor (1912–13). The United States Government turned a blind eye to this deposition of the elected government of Honduras by a privately owned army, with the U.S. State Department seeing President Dávila as too politically liberal and a poor businessman whose management decisions had caused Honduras to become too indebted to Great Britain—an unacceptable geopolitical risk for the U.S. in light of the Monroe Doctrine. Moreover, domestically, the Dávila Government had slighted the Cuyamel Fruit Company by colluding with the rival United Fruit Company to award it a banana-trade monopoly—which it got in exchange for the fruit company's brokering of U.S. Government loans for the Honduran government.[5][12]


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So we can all agree on this right?

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/liberty/ audiobooks, mp3, lectures, podcasts

i will probably go somewhere tomorrow so i would like to listen to something interesting while walking. please can you link here interesting podcasts, audiobooks, mp3, lectures in english or polish? im oldfag libertarian so no "introduction to libertarianism" please

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>you can't have property rights without govermen-

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Geolibertarian Minarchy


- Replace all tax with single land value tax.

- Replace all entitlements with consolidated citizen's dividend.

Well, why aren't you Geolibertarian?

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Why was he so right about everything?

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How should we approach the practical inevitability of aggression in a zero-sum game?

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nice butthurt in there

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>stirner banner

this board just got a bit better

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I just had a thought.

One of the primrary reasons many previously libertarian or anarchist individuals turn to Fascism and National Socialism is because freedom of speech has been used by (((Hollywood))) to reconstruct the thoughts of the common person such that they become more authoritarian, thus liberty defeats itself. Their solution is to say "Fuck it." to libertarianism as an ideal and censor certain content in the hopes that even though they won't get a libertarian society, at least they'll have a good one that will last more than 100 years.

However, as I understand it anarcho-capitalists do not believe in "intellectual property" to any degree. This opens up certain possibilities in regulating what the media produces. If a popular movie producer of dubious morality were to release a movie, and one's morally uninvested loved ones were to insist on eating that shit, one could simply offer them a free pirated copy instead, thus satisfying the producer's consumers without giving them a cent.

This, of course, is much like the usual boycott stuff ancaps have been saying since Rothbard was teething on triceratops jerky. However, unlike, say, a concrete company, you can actually boycott a product without need for competitors or depriving anybody of the product. In other words, producers of media are entirely dependant on the goodwill of their consumers, unlike producers of finite things that can continue chugging along if their product is desired, no matter how much they are hated. Thus, the media, which is the most important industry to regulate as it determines the thoughts of the people, is under the highest scrutiny from the people, and if it wants to continue as anything more than a low-budget hobby then it must not release anything that the natives consider amoral.

Will this actually work IRL? I dunno. There is the flipside of this, where malicious rich people could fund hostile producers while releasing pirated versions of loyal and moral films. Morally uninvested people aren't going to let their wallet take your side much more than they'll let it take the side of the evil producer. So maybe the power over the media and therefore the thoughts in Ancapistan will lie in the hands of the people if they are generous and have strong morals, and the rich if they are greedy or apathetic.

Something to think about tho.

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How can a anarcho-capitalist country have a fiat currency?

I mean this is pretty much impossible without a state thinking about it, but as evil as the state is, I am quite nervous about non-fiat currencies. Gold might be strong now but back then the gold banks had ridiculous powers within economies and many fiat currency economies went quite well.

Any help?

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Capitalism in Decay (durr)

>After World War I, Hitler returned to Munich.[73] With no formal education or career prospects, he remained in the army.[74] In July 1919 he was appointed Verbindungsmann (intelligence agent) of an Aufklärungskommando (reconnaissance commando) of the Reichswehr, assigned to influence other soldiers and to infiltrate the German Workers' Party (DAP). While monitoring the activities of the DAP, Hitler was attracted to the founder Anton Drexler's anti-Semitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist, and anti-Marxist ideas.[75] Drexler favoured a strong active government, a non-Jewish version of socialism, and solidarity among all members of society. Impressed with Hitler's oratorical skills, Drexler invited him to join the DAP. Hitler accepted on 12 September 1919,[76] becoming party member 555 (the party began counting membership at 500 to give the impression they were a much larger party).[77]

>Drexler favoured a strong active government, a non-Jewish version of socialism, and solidarity among all members of society.

>During this period, he [Joseph Goebbels] read avidly and was influenced by the works of Oswald Spengler, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, the British-born German writer whose book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century (1899) was one of the standard works of the extreme right in Germany.[32] He also began to study the "social question" and read the works of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, August Bebel and Gustav Noske.[33][34]

>Whilst a prisoner [Roland] Freisler learned to speak Russian, and developed an interest in Marxism after the Russian Revolution had commenced. The Bolshevik provisional authority which took over responsibility for Freisler's prisoner of war camp made use of him as a 'Commissar' (as he was described by them in his repatriated prisoner of war paperwork in 1918) administratively organising the camp's food supplies in 1917-1918.

>In 1912 Mussolini was the leading member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI).[5] Prior to 1914, he was a keen supporter of the Socialist International, starting the series of meetings in Switzerland[6] that organised the communist revolutions and insurrections that swept through Europe from 1917.

This is not touching on the intellectuals behind fascism, most of whom seem to have been former socialists. Eat shit, commies.

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>government doesn't want me to put what i want into my body

>government seemingly wants me to be a virgin

>government wants to take all of my money

>government wants to regulate my life

>government seemingly doesn't want me to be happy

>government wants to throw me into a cell if i don't obey like a good goy


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Left libertarians don't exist

Is there anything libertarian about "Libertines" and "left wing Libertarians"? do they even actually exist?

The only thing that is libertarian about them is weed. In the end they want hate-speech laws, equal pay laws, anti-discrimination laws, etc.

So am I right, or am I misunderstanding something here?

pic unrelated or is it?

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Does the NAP allow for detaining people based on the suspicion they committed a crime?

Surely it can't be that if you detain someone and it turned out they were innocent, you 'retro-actively' become an evil person

But if you detain someone and it turned out they actually are a criminal then you did nothing wrong

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Muslims (Mudslimes)

What do you think about mudslimes?

Would you let a muslim enter your private property? Armed?

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The Global Revolution

An oppressive state is no better than a criminal, and criminals should be restrained or killed.

People who obstruct justice and protect criminals should be killed as well.

The libertarian state should aim to eliminate all crime and oppression, including non-libertarian governments

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Whose job is it to make sure that NAP isn't violated?

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>have mutualist flag

>create individualist anarchist flag

what is the difference between individualist anarchist and mutualists? i thought that all individualist anarchists were mutualists

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admit it you want a libertarian society so you can fap to degenerate porn

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I saw this on /leftypol/ and wanted to know your opinion

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"Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day. Physically remove a man from your libertarian social order and you'll never have to feed him again." —Hoppe, 25:88

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Libertarian "music"

Why does libertarian/anarcho-capitalist music sound like shit compared to anarcho-communist music?

Example of ancap music:



Example of commie music:




Notice how the ancomm music sounds fuller and more meaningful and the singers are actually drawing from a 170-year tradition whereas the ancap singer is using the most crony lyrics imaginable. Why do we tolerate this?

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>work or starve >voluntary

>"anarcho" capitalism

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under anarcho-capitalism, am I allowed to rule over my property, establish laws and tax people in it?

assumining I own a big piece of land that people would want to live in

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What does /liberty/ make out of the whole AIU affair?

I was wondering how people feel about this guy basically doxxing anyone who's questioned him? Now I know this is barely related to liberty or even general economics but it does beg the question of doxxing within a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist society

How would such a thing be handled? Would a thing such as this be handled at all? Is doxxing immoral?

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What exactly is late stage capitalism? I hear about it a lot and i want to know what exactly it refers too and how it differs from regular capitalism?

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Fuck William "I heart government" Gates

Bill Gates claims that robots need to be taxed, which is just a fancy way of saying that the companies will be taxed more (which is something he does not state explicitly).


>muh universal income!

>muh "net gain" (gates claims that only robots working and not people while everyone lives off UBI will result in a better society somehow)

>muh retarded children!

>muh class divide!

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Rent for Roads

In my opinion, roads ought to be paid for mostly by rent instead of toll booths. Somebody owns all the roads in area, and people make contracts to pay rent every month, with the option to renew.

There is no monopoly pricing, because the prices are fixed in contracts and the road owner has to compete with all the other places people would be able to build a house.

People coming from far away would have to go the toll booth and pay a toll- presumably companies would offer daily, weekly, and monthly passes, and return tickets, and charge different prices for different vehicles

To check only people who are supposed to be on the roads are on the roads, you use cameras, people with clipboards, or you stop one in every fifty cars. There are plenty of ways you could do it. You don't need to check everyone, there just needs to be a risk of getting caught.

The main problems people have are they think private roads would be too much hassle or too expensive. If a rent system reduces those (at least for the roads people use most often) then maybe they can get over having to pay toll booths for far away roads they don't use often

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What does it feel like?

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Abolish the DEA and ATF

Good day, /Liberty/! What do you all think about abolishing the DEA and ATF and forcing all those agents and analysts to become border patrol agents or they're out of work? The Drug War is a stain on our country. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a one stop shopping center. Both ten DEA and ATF are worthless government pestilence. I know some of you are against borders. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions on my proposal. Thank you.

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So who is the better philosopher?

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How do you prevent Antifa from turning you Authoritarian?

Lately, I want to sing praises of Trump just to trigger the Antifa?

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This board is fucking retarded.

So right now, there is a huge battle in internet discourse between the alt-right and SJWs. Both of them blame different things for society's problems. The alt-right blames human biodiversity, and SJWs blame capitalism. All you tards blame the government, despite the fact that can only ever be a proximate cause because human biodiversity and capitalism are more fundamental to society than the state.

You're going to kill libertarianism if you keep this up. If you refuse to acknowledge human biodiversity, you're going to end up with an electorate that loves Venezuelan style socialism or sharia law.

>inb4 It will collapse and then we'll have paradise.

Lol nope. Why haven't all the brown and black countries collapsed into libertarianism/ancap yet then? Fag.

You also have to recognize that the SJWs have a point. Lots of people lose out under capitalism because they are losers with no skills and low intelligence, or because they were simply born into a poor family. Social mobility is in free fall in the developed world, especially in the USA. If you ignore these people and give them nothing, they will install someone like Bernie Sanders or Chavez as head of state, and then we will all be eating pigeons and dumpster diving for scraps of food.

You need to grow the fuck up. You need to learn to compromise. Meet the alt-right half way, build the wall, and ban unskilled immigration. The economic utility of an unskilled, illiterate Muslim refugee is negative because of the welfare state anyway, and it's debatable if they could make it in a 21st century free market society doing anything of value that hasn't already been automated. You also need to meet the SJWs half way by giving them mincome in exchange for slashing and burning the welfare state and abolishing all Affirmative Action laws.

If you don't do this, or if you ignore these issues, /liberty/ will continue to be a dead board as /pol/ and /leftypol/ discuss the real issues of our time, and your sit in your basement and circlejerk about how the evil government is preventing everyone from becoming a self made millionaire.

Get real,



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Equality of Opportunity

Just putting this out here for the few libertarians who still buy into the equality of opportunity meme: don't, if you cede the ground that equality of opportunity is a goal that must be achieved you're ceding all the philosophical/moral ground needed for totalitarian leftist control over society and the economy. Rather than try to explain in painstaking detail, I'll just give an example and allow you to draw the obvious conclusion:

Step 1: By default, people will not achieve equal economic or social status (if for no other reason, because there is a bell curve in intelligence); socioeconomic differences are a result of both good and bad causes (highly skilled individuals being wealthier than their peers is a "good" reason, being wealthier than your peers via ingratiating yourself to lawmakers is a "bad" reason.)

Step 2: Adults who are poorer (reminder that IQ is correlated with income) can not provide the same economic opportunities to their children as their wealthier counterparts, so you have to redistribute money from the, on average, more intelligent, to the children/parents who are, on average, less intelligent. This process increases the reproductive success of the less intelligent.

Step 3: Due to natural differences in ability, conscientiousness, etc. adults will once again massively differ in their achieved socioeconomic statuses.

Step 4: See step 2.

This is not a process that, in theory, has an end. In practice, the end will be that the constant redistribution of resources from the intelligent to the less intelligent, the latter already being predisposed to have more children, will cause civilizational decay to the point of collapse. Something like Venezuela is experiencing right now.

And yes, I'm aware that I'm not the first person to make these observations about equality of opportunity.

Even equality under the law doesn't make sense. Crime is correlated with low-IQ, the risk of allowing anyone with an IQ of 115+ to own an automatic firearm is quite low, but giving all the low-IQ blacks and Hispanics in New York and Chicago automatic firearms, well that's not going to turn out so well (see the statistic below). Even though the 2nd Amendment would obviously permit automatic firearms under the justification of both defense against a potentially tyrannical government and self-defense, I would not want automatic firearms available for sub-95 IQ individuals, and certainly not anyone with a history of violent crime (and if you're all about muh NAP, even Ancapistan could, in theory, have many methods of preventing firearms ownership for shitty people.)

"In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting”—defined as firing a bullet that hits someone—a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely."


Equality of the law doesn't make sense. Just as the idea of "one man one vote" democracy is insane, and immensely increases the influence that stupid people have over policymaking, "one law for all men" is stupid, men are not created equal at a biological level, we should not pretend that someone with an IQ of 115 is equally likely to reoffend in future as someone with an IQ of 85.

There is no objective moral justification for the attempts to achieve equality of outcome or opportunity, and the attempt to do so is extremely dysgenic, and therefore suicidal. But equality has become a secular cult for liberals, and it's leading Western civilization off a cliff into the Valley of Shitskinstoneageistan at a rapid pace.

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Ancaps LITERALLY CAN'T solve global warming. And you will NEVER EVER be able to deal with sea level rise or desertification. By 2050, people will be begging for a strong, socialist state to save them from flooding and famine.

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post women and girls with guns

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What do we do about the lazy unwashed proles who will eventually organize some sort of revolt once their low skill jobs have been completely automated? Kill them?

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ancapism=corporativism=survivalist egoism???

strictly speaking, ancapism allows socialism whenever it's voluntary, am i right?

if that's the case, that would mean that if a multi-co-op arised in ancapistan (and assuming it worked just right), generalized socialism would naturally arise as the people would (for sake of the example) realize it's a better way to organize themselves.

the problem, of course, is that such scenary couldn't happen since big corporations would be able to get rid of emergent co-ops or similars, through weapons and violence, even when socialists would be playing fairly, without violating anyone else's NAP, this scenario has taken place innumerable times throughout history.

But you'll argue that corporations are nothing but the consequence of a corrupted non-voluntary state, which sound pretty good as is a reasonable hypothesis to explain how corporations are born, but i still have little questions about it:

>how do you demonstrate that the fusion of many privates (forming a big monopolist corporation) couldn't take place in ancapism?

>how do you demonstrate that every (or at least, the most of) corporations arise from the corrpution of non-voluntary ruling states?


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Since the left has now taken Pedophilia from you guys what's left for you? Bestiality?

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Beginner Philosophy

Even if we accept the legitimacy of a particular 'moral system' (meaning a system of giving the term 'unethical' to particular actions regardless of the consequences) it doesn't follow that we ought to behave in accord to this moral system (merely from the fact that we would be behaving in a way that would have our actions named 'unethical'). In fact if following a particular moral system can only be achieved by sacrificing total utility, then we are faced with the question- 'how much total utility will we sacrifice to not colour our actions with that article of description- unethical How much do we value happiness, and how much ethical?

Surely we care about the properties of a thing only as to how they compliment utility and happiness- we don't care about the properties of things, in the abstract?

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What do you think off him?

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new epic tune from kelthuz

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What does /liberty/ think of pic related?

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Democracy Appreciation Thread

>Nine out of ten people involved in a gang rape think that there's nothing wrong with gang rape, so that means there's nothing wrong with it

>If you put the Murder Kittens Act through three hearings in parliament, you'll know whether it's a reasonable policy

>A braindead moron becomes a genius if you clone him two-million times and have him talk to himself

>Democracies invented conscription, the total war, and the atomic bomb, but democratic peace is totally a thing

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Is opposition to Fractional Reserve Banking anti-semitic?

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Liberty Reading Guide

Pic related is the new reading guide. I made a special tab for objectivism, but haven't sorted the book there yet, at all. Another tab is for history. That one's sorted, but very incomplete.

I added some books to minarchism and replaced Everyday Anarchy with Spooners No Treason.

Anyone have more suggestions on this thing?

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Is critical theory not the most batshit crazy shit you ever heard of?

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Anarcho-capitalist thinking about converting to Mutualism

Salut /liberty/!

I've been an an-cap going on seven years now. I started off as a typical Tea Party Patriot, read some Rothbard and Mises in 2010, declared myself an an-cap shortly afterwards, and became a frequent visitor of mises.org and such.

Here's what happened: there was a time circa 2012 when I became interested in Kevin Carson's market anarchism. While I found parts of it interesting, it never really stuck with me the way it did my peers. However, recently I've been thinking more and more about history. I started dating an anarcho-syndicalist chick last year who introduced me not to Kropotkin or Bookchin or anything remotely Marxist, but to Proudhon and Bakunin. I began thinking about why it was that the first man to call himself an "anarchist" was heavily critical of the classical liberals and economists of his day (even going so far as to wish death on Frederic Bastiat over a petty debate), claimed property was "theft", and believed in creating workers' federations and associations that were de-centralized and democratic. Bakunin was even more socialistic than Proudhon and advocated complete abolition of markets. These two men justified their views solely through appeals to human freedom - why?

I began searching deeper and realizing WHY it was that anarchism was socialist for its entire history up until Rothbard coined the term "anarcho capitalism". The truth is, ancaps have no real history of struggle, no mass-movements aiming at human liberation, no success stories, no martyrs, nothing. If anything, most ancap thought seems like it was just neoliberal capitalism taken to its logical conclusion. Anarchist Catalonia was a massive failure but at least it was something. Same thing with May '68 or Occupy Wall Street. Proudhon's followers were pretty instrumental in the Paris Commune so there's that too. What do you say?

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does any of you live in a camper van? if yes, are you from the usa or europe or what? i think it gives you much freedom and liberty

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How to fuck with a communist.

>say that every capitalist country that failed wasn't real capitalism, because it was run under a state.

>call the leader of the country fascist/make up a word like Pinochetism, like made up words they make up, like Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism, etc. To say it wasn't real capitalism by saying it was Pinochetism/Hitlerism (whatever) they were practicing instead of capitalism.

>say that because it was run by a dictator, it wasn't real capitalism

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Does having a child violate the NAP?

-The child did not ask to be born, you forced it upon them.

-Life is made up of much more negative experiences than positive.

-Killing themselves is the only way they can be free from the decision you made for them.

t. someone who didn't ask to be born

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How Will You Stop Me?

To my minarchist and libertarian friends, I think it's a question that's been a long time coming and rarely asked since we're always busy attacking our mutual opponents. How will you stop me?

Quite simply put, if we achieve a libertarian/minarchist society, and I refuse to pay taxes or participate in your society, or worse, I undermine your society by participating in acts banned by the state… How are you going to stop us Voluntarists, Mutualists, Agorists, etc. from simply doing whatever the fuck we want?

If you don't try to prevent us, how will you react if we're right (or even just not completely wrong), and we expand? What if we expand faster than you?

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How does an anarcho-capitalist society deal with the dick cutting problem?

Somalia is the freest society on earth and yet both male and female genital mutilation are rampant there.


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Karl Marx

>Treated his family like shit, to the point where his own father called him a cunt

>Two of his kids died of malnutrition because he was too busy blogging to go to work

>Moocher for all his life, never paid his debts

>Wrote edgy poems and essays as a kid

>Admitted to padding some of his works to impress publishers

>Needlessly obtuse writing style, what the fuck is this nigger talking about

>Had an intense and irrational hatred of Bastiat, for some fucking reason

>Kinda responsible for developing an ideology that killed over a hundred million people

How can you be such an asshole? Granted, his bromance with Engels is kinda endearing, but besides that, there's preciously little redeeming about him.

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if I cum inside a woman, who owns the sperm? assume both parties want to keep it.


does the same hold true with other bio-matter, like spit, menstral blood, and hair?

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The Second Great Meme War

Britain Declares War on /pol/




£60m in strategy and recruits to destroy the alt-right. After seeing what happened in America, Britain can't afford to the alternative right counter-culture organise online.

Will /pol/ culture survive?

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>tfw tread on

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is social mobility a good thing? if it is, why it is higher in states with lower income inequality? these states seem to be socialistic- see picrel

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Hey, /liberty/.

Can you guys tell me if minimum wage and Universal Basic Income caused and or leads to inflation? Can you can guys give me some sources? Every source is claiming it doesn't.

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Shittiest ancient societies

I think Sparta is a good contender:

>Spartiates, the ruling class, called themselves homoioi, meaning "those who are alike"

>Spartiates had a highly reglemented life full of abstinence

>They were not allowed to engage in commerce

>Slaves, the helots, were largely seen as common property

>Freeing your slaves was not allowed

>The slave population was routineously culled

>Spartiates killed their own children if they were deemed weak

In other words, some asshole sat down and made a blueprint for a society combining the worst of feudalism and socialism, with not even the ruling class being anything but slaves to each other. I dare you to find me a shittier society. At least the Aztecs thought they were keeping the sun alive, I guess.

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How should libertarians understand family hierarchies? Are they voluntary or involuntary and how can you unpick the two?

Should the 'heads of households' be allowed to use coercion, and does the ability to use coercion expire when younger members turn a certain age?

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Let's say primitive societies are shit

Primitive people have no idea what is going on and haven't intelligently rejected civilisation- they have no idea what it is

Are you justified in landing on some tribe's island, defending yourself when they try to attack you, and going on to build schools and roads?

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Castro Regime Arrests Member of Mises Cuba


>Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez, a human rights activist in Cuba and a member of the Cuba Mises Institute, was arrested on February 2nd. Manuel Velazquez Visea, another Cuban libertarian activist, was also arrested. We have been able to confirm that other members of Mises Cuba were threatened by security officials after the incident, but no further arrests have yet been made.

>At a time when many Americans and other global leaders have wished to romanticize the Castro regime, this is a reminder of their history of oppression for anyone who longs for freedom.

>Hernandez, who also oversees the Benjamin Franklin Libertarian Library project, was charged with the crime of “attack”, a common charge for political opponents. According to Mises Cuba and the PanAmPost, Hernandez was arrested after refusing to show ID to an undercover officer working for state security forces.

>At a time when interest in the works of Ludwig von Mises and the Austrian school is growing in developing nations , this arrest is a solemn reminder of the incredible courage of those spreading ideas in countries where government routinely crackdown on political opposition.

Big government strikes again, oh and here is the related /pol/ thread >>>/pol/9220893

tbh the op is a bit of a sperg

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/liberty/ WebM Thread

let's see em boyos

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Why is this a board for left-wingers?

If your ideology centers around forcibly redistributing people's resources, then your ideology has nothing to do with liberty. I don't care about lefties posting here, but why does it have to be a 'home' for the socialists and commies? They already have their own board.

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Is this an argument?

What should free labor do in the face of stagnant wages and rising cost of living?

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Official Hayek Thread

Why didn't this faggot write a treatise? Hayek was easily as intelligent and knowledgeable as Mises or Rothbard, but he has no distinct magnum opus. His epistemic and economic theories seem to be split up among several books and essays. Why the fuck?

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as a human being, I can produce useful things and I am a means of production, how do I avoid being seized?

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Turns out Nazis were ancaps all along.

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Inflation!: The thread

Let's have a somewhat purely economic thread for a change.

Inflation, some see it as a positive and needed function within the economy whilst others see it as a cancer within the economy. Is it more dangerous than deflation? Should there be a constant inflation rate?

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What used to be called "wisdom" we now call "autism"

>We have all heard the cliche that libertarians, with our concern for arguments and principles over empathy and experiences, are just autistic, or at least sound like it. Setting aside the possibility that such comparisons diminish the significance of the struggle of those with autism, and instead taking it, as intended, as a mocking metaphor, what now gets mockingly called “autistic” used to be called something different.

>This is the perception of libertarians, and especially anarcho-capitalists today: We don’t care about people, feelings, experiences, or anything but principles and arguments. If it’s not an argument, it doesn’t matter. On the other hand though, this standard of rigor would have, in days past, been the only respectable way of practicing any academic discipline, especially philosophy.

>In a more philosophically-inclined time, and certainly among the classical philosophers, focus on arguments, and especially abstract principles, was considered the essential trait of wisdom. Plato understood wisdom to be an understanding of the Form of the Good, a first principle from which all other understandings follow. In other words, a Platonist begins with abstract principles and derives consistent beliefs from those principles, similarly to how the most “autistic” libertarians among us derive our positions from an abstract understanding of property rights and the non-aggression principle. We can look to Aristotle as well, whose requirements for knowledge of a thing included knowing the abstract principles behind the thing.

>Jumping ahead through the history of philosophy, we find one of the greatest thinkers of all time, whose method would almost certainly earn him the title of Honourary Autist today: Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas is perhaps the most robotic in form of any of the Doctors of the Church, with his adherence to the quodlibetal question format, picking apart the specifics of any statement or argument with endless questions, which critics may call pedantic, digging to reach the first principles that lie behind. And yet, among philosophers, the writings of Aquinas are a goldmine for immaculately-written and precise ideas. The level of rigor found in his scholarship was a clear precursor to the “Rigorous Bunch” that modern autistic-libertarianism bends the intellectual knee to today.

>I say this somewhat in jest, since it really is a joke when the “autistic” label is applied to any species of libertarian. However, it really does point to an important difference in how principled libertarians consider especially political issues, as distinct from how those same issues are considered by political partisans, especially leftists. On a recent episode of the Tom Woods Show, Tom and guest Bob Murphy noticed this critical difference: “Maybe you are dealing with people who simply don’t have universal principles, they have particularist desires…Maybe the left are not hypocrites because they genuinely don’t believe in free speech; they never said they did. (Well, their parents said they did…in the early ’60s said they did, but that was a long time ago).” Bob pushed it yet further, narrowing their particularist desires to a very narrow partisanship, thinking in terms of us vs them, rather than asking what aligns with certain first principles. It is because of this trend that we who think in terms of principles and reason cannot have rational dialogue with those who dismiss us as autistic.

>What can be done about this? Well, I think the only way to deal with silly insults like this is to double-down. I’m sure you’ve been accused of not being able to understand something because of your ‘privilege,’ for instance. The implication is that if you had a different social standing, you’d see things differently and have different views. Or perhaps worse, you may have heard something like, “If you had experienced an unwanted pregnancy, you would be pro-choice!” Considering the fallacious nature of these accusations that get thrown at us, I think the best way to respond to this sort of thing is to loudly thank God we don’t know what it’s like, or that we see things differently! After all, by our accusers’ assertions, we would then be likely to be swayed by these irrational emotional factors which have nothing to do with principles, arguments, or facts of the matter. Of course, this isn’t to say that perspective is unimportant, as it can bring to light real facts which we may have overlooked, but if the mere perspective would substantially change our views, then I think we ought to be thankful we’re in a position to see through the emotional fog.

>If all that makes us autistic, then so be it.


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The "Female Deficit"

While statism is still a thing, what can be done about the "female deficit"?

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Ancap views on Judges and Juries

I don't remember very well but I think this board has a limited view on theft, its either "person is allowed to do anything to you" or "you're allowed to take back what you lost, nothing else".

Does charging someone double what they stole(Ex, $200 for stealing $100) breach the NAP or something? Do you realize this has been in the works of judicial systems for the benefit of the defendants, since the thief actually suffers a risk when he's stealing something? How would Librestrad handle this? Is this some sort of "acceptable loss"?

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Advice For Young, Unemployed Workers

I saw a thread on /b/ while lurking this afternoon, but didn't have time to respond to it on my phone. Pretty much the anon was saying he was $10,000 in debt and was getting pushed into a dead-end job. I doubt he browses /liberty/, but I figured we should make a thread on this since we're all trying to help people improve themselves through a Capitalist mindset and all that. Therefore, lets have ourselves an…

Advice For Young, Unemployed (or Underemployed) Workers Thread

>ITT we ask questions/answer questions relating to work/working.

My initial advice I want to throw out there for those under 28 and looking for a career job is to read through Tucker's short pamphlet (PDF related). Then we can sit down and get talking…

1) There is no such thing as a useless skill.

If you think it relates to your job, put it down on your resume. Some of my first jobs looking for technician work involved doing assembly-line work because I knew how to work under a microscope. It's the little shit that you think anyone can do that it turns out most people can't do. .

2) An employer will never treat you better than they do on hiring day

I've had to take shitty jobs in order to pay the bills, and you'll need to take shitty jobs to pay the bills. Your first official job in the industry is not that job. Employers and employees go to the hiring table as "equal" businessmen, not as a master-servant relationship. If your p. employer is acting as if they're doing you a favor by giving you the job, then there's about a 98% chance that said employer should go fuck themselves. Do your research on the company culture and ask them about upward mobility within the company (ask employees/your boss, not HR. HR WILL lie and say there are promotion opportunities even if there are not). and if there isn't a chance to get promoted, ask yourself if it's worth explaining why you left that company in a future on your resume. I've respectfully declined otherwise good jobs in the past because the boss told me that he won't promote unless I had an engineering degree, but the company wouldn't help me pay for an engineering degree. Note: The above doesn't necessarily apply to paid internships- in that situation the employer really IS doing you a favor and you should think more carefully on if the attitude is because you're an intern or if it's really a toxic company culture.

3) A happy culture in retail is worth more than a toxic culture in X

This is going to sound counterproductive as all fuck, but if you're respected in your retail job, it's better to stay at it then to get a job in your field of study where you're not respected (unless you're seeing a huge pay increase per hour, in which case it's a personal question you'll have to ask yourself). 40 hours a week at $10/hour is worth more than the 60 hours a week at $11/hour if the $11/hour floor boss is going to treat you like shit. You can always hold out for a better job in your field of study while you work on the side in retail. No proper company is gonna fault you for working and looking for the right fit lol. Once you take that full-time shitty job position in your field of study, you suddenly lack both the time and the funds to job hunt elsewhere, and you'll feel like you're stuck in a corner.

4) If more money isn't offered, it's not a raise, and your employer will stab you in the back.

Never, EVER take a position with more responsibility if you aren't offered a raise immediately to go along with it. If your employer isn't willing to offer you the raise then and there, there's very good chance that "3 months down the line" will become 6 months, then 9 months, then "oh, well I just figured that it was part of your job at this point since you didn't complain!" When you go to apply elsewhere, if the promotion wasn't on paper, your boss (possibly former boss) WILL lie and say you never held that position. If your boss is unwilling to give you the paper-trail promotion/raise, but still insists on you doing the work, then it's time for you to make a call for HR and/or begin to look elsewhere. Do not work for free- you may take orders from your boss because you want to be paid, but you are in a mutual business relation with your company and they need to respect that. NOTE: Lateral career moves are at your own discretion. If you aren't having more work put on you, but instead having your work changed to a different field, it might be worth it to stay on, it might not be.

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What do you think off them?

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This is the synthesis of /pol/. Our ideology has finally arrived.

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It's worth keeping in mind that Iran oppresses its people, funds terrorist organisations in Palestine, Iraq, and potentially Syria, and has a somewhat suspicious obsession with nuclear power, which expresses in confusing ways (such as refusing help from countries like Japan interested only in peaceful generation)

They are a toxic, anti-semitic, women-oppressing terrorist dictatorship who might be trying to acquire WMDs to destroy Israel and America. There is a good argument that they should be beaten in their autistic heads until cured, with as little cost and civilian damage as possible

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Do you guys think /leftypol/ will grow enough to

have a significant effect on what happens irl?

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>mfw the commies are better in every Red Alert game

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Do you support Unschooling? I'm reading pic related right now and like it.

(The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to Quit School and Get a Real Life and Education by Grace Llewelyn)

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>be christfag

>pretend to be christian

>half of your evidence are anecdotal

>Use false dichotomies like:

>you are either a) b) or c)

>strawman your way through arguments

>"win" arguments



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Christianity and Libertarianism

In how far are these two compatible? Also, general religion thread, if anyone is up for that? I started looking into the Bible and in some theology, and am still trying to make sense of the thing.

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> Reformy gospodarcze związane z przejściem do gospodarki rynkowej skutkowały wzrostem bezrobocia i ogólnym zubożeniem ludności.

it is wiki article about postcommunistic states, that sentence above can be translated into

>economical reforms which introduced market economy resulted in an increase of joblessness and general impoverishment of inhabitants

and a question arises. why did free-market reforms impoverished people generally?

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AnCaps btfo

Hey AnCaps, market failures!


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i was told by PhD student that IQ differences between races are due to IQ tests being europocentric

is it true?

he was working as a speech pathologist with aborigenal children in australia and still he thinks we are equal

is he a cuck?

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Ron Paul received 1 electoral vote from a faithless Texas elector.


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What does /liberty/ think of Nozick?

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There's a new anarchist school of thought based upon the notion that creativity, innovation and social progress would flourish without the state.

It's principles are as follows:

1. Individual liberty is tied to the ideas by which one holds.

2. The free flow of ideas is necessary for all social progress.

3. The freedom to create and express oneself freely is intrinsic to every individual.

4. Anyone who suppresses one's right to freedom of expression in any form is a tyrant.

5. Any threat to suppress information is illegitimate.

6. Ideas and information by their nature are unownable as they are abstract.

This means that intellectual property and laws against freedom of speech in all forms are incompatible with social progress. We advocate that without restrictions on freedom of expression, the progression of humanity would accelerate towards a state of enlightenment.

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White only communes

Recently I've seen a lot of people in the movement saying that basically "If you aren't racists lmao,you are a commie xDDDDD" and it's getting really annoying,mostly cantwell fans I have nothing against chris tho these are the teenagers who leave out some or really important parts of,and even violate the NAP because of their hate for racial minorities for their own convenience.My point is,you can create your white-only communities in an anarchist society and it would be for the better since states force people to live with other groups of people they don't like,this would mean the KKK and BLM would have the chance to create racial sanctuaries for them eliminating a lot of the racial violence generated trough race warfare in statists societies in a natural and peaceful way and I hardly think that those communities will engage in war since they already got what they want: peaceful segregation.Whats your opinion on this /liberty/ sorry for my shit english,I'm a taco

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Shit Libertarians Do


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Hey your invited.

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is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-class_squeeze a good (natural) thing? how will it look like in a free society?

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Public Sector Stories

>Have to help my mother with legal stuff

>Find all the documents, write a small text, prepare to send it by e-mail to the cooperative

>No e-mail on any of the documents

>Try to find the e-mail on their site

>No e-mail

>Google it

>Still no e-mail

>Find de-mail address instead, because data protection laws

>Mfw no one uses fucking de-mail

>Finally find an online form

>Mfw they don't want e-mail because it's unsecure but have no problem with online forms filled out over an http-connection


>Look at the letter of the cooperative again

>"Public-law institution"

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feminism strong

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>every territory that wants to secede is wealthier than neighbouring territories

is it true?

silesia, bavaria and venice come to mind and all these countries are wealthier than poland, germany and italy respectively

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"The freer the market the freer the people"

A truer statement has never been made.

An individual will never be truely free as long as they are being commanded by a higher, unquestionable power as to what they can and what they can't, how, when and to what degree do with their (((free))) will.

If you don't support individual freedoms: you're a cuck.

If you think that sacrificing part of your own potential self for the sake of someone else because of some form of "higher duty" (see: morality): you're a cuck.

If you think about the far furure, that's a future that exceeds your own life and take sacrificial actions for it: you're a cuck.

If you hold the environment, animals, younger generation or any form of existence beyond yourself as important enough to influence and dictate your actions, you're a cuck.

In short, if you live for anything else other than your own, personal, individual fulfillment: you're a cuck and a slave.

Nothing is important and nothing should be held as such. Acting in anything other than self interest is illogical and irrational, it makes no sense. Why do you hold external things as so important that you hinder your own progress, you get one life and you waste it caring about trees or animals, why? If everyone simply acted in their own self interest, without sticking their noses into the businesses of others life would have been so much more fulfilling.

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Should we accept the term "neoliberal" or reject it everytime it's used?

It's only used by socialists/the left to blame free market capitalism for something.

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*blocks your path

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So I've made a thread months ago requesting help and skimmed the other reading threads, I've compiled a reading list but one question remains: why the fuck anyone here is recommending Ayn Rand?

As far as I know even Libertarians and Ancaps shit on her, and the other way around. She has no experience in economics, the market, society, politics, she's completely detached from anything she wrote about. Just bitter over her family's business confiscation by the Soviets - and rightfully so - but nothing else. She barely knew any philosophy, too, misread Aristotle once and that's it.

This is what I heard about her, is there really any reason to read her?

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Political violence event horizon

With all the leftards talking about dude punch nazis lmao and waving "make fascists afraid again" banners, in addition to the other myriad political violence they've caused, are you worried that The Current Year will be a violent year?

Here's a nice blogpost about previous US political violence. It's nuts to think there's so little awareness of the insanity of the 70's. The predictions of the future I think are suspect but there's no better summary of this period.



People on both sides have declared that the political-violence-Rubicon has been crossed. The right feels that they can no longer choose not to use deadly force to protect itself. The left seems to have fallen under the antifa spell; not only is it stupid enough to label everyone right of Stalin a fascist, they now believe it's okay to assault them. Do you agree? Can the tide be stopped peacefully or are we headed to civil war?

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"Our racial pride is not aggressive except in so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience, for in reality and from the genetic point of view there is no such thing as the Jewish race." - Adolf Hitler

What did he mean by this?

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I understand libertarianism/minarchism in favor of regular statism, but are there good arguments in favor of minarchism over anarchism?

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>"Critical theory is interesting"

>"Read lacan lol fag"

>lmao misogynist, triggered!!!


Are we being raided by /leftypol/ atm?

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Ancap wtf?

Dear Ancaps,

i don´t understand your meaning of anarchism. So please help me to understand it. I think the most Ancaps are located in America. I´m from Europe. I guess the main difference is your meaning of Liberty.

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was he based?

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Is this legit?

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/monster/ movie night


>Time: 12PM EST - 12 AM EST Saturday 4th of February


And here's some sneks for you guys.

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How should climate changed be addressed? How would you suggest it be addressed without govt intervention if possible? How would libertarians want to reduce the drastic consequences that will result?

Don't bother saying climate is a hoax or isn't real because if you do you are a fucking moron.

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Creating an AnCap society

How would an ancap society come about realisticly? Gradual phase out of government? Revolution? How does it happen?

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Im at a crossroad

I am lost. I am a liberal who got caught up in sjw crap. I became disillusioned with it after seeing how inefficient and abusive it can be. I started listening to natsoc stuff but l find it to be a mirror image of the crap I was trying to get away from. I have lots of unanswered questions.

Where do I go? Neither the sjws nor natsocs represent my views. Im being squished in the middle and being burnt out by everything. I dont like what is going on but other liberals wont listen to me.What do I call myself if I share both conservative and liberal views? Should I just not label myself until I figure things out?

If there is a link between race and iq, what do we do with that information? How does it handle outliers? Will it stop people from giving the benefit of the doubt?

How likely is a race war going to happen?

Maybe this post will help other disllusioned anons?

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The futility of non-stem intellectualism summarised

Zizek: Speaks multiple languages fluently, extremely familiar with huge amounts of works of art and their analysis, dove head first in to philosophy at a young age and has been a philosophical researcher for many decades, charismatic and funny, strong level of historical and political knowledge, embraces both high and low culture

Chomsky: Probably every STEMfag would admit he has a first rate analytical mind that they would consider extremely intelligent. Extremely good memory. Innovative linguist. Been researching political and societal issues for decades.

You'd have to be a major troll to think they're not highly intelligent. Now let's see the ENTIRE result of their LIFE'S WORK in Humanities / Philosophy / Social Sciences (ignoring chomsky's linguistics stuff).

Zizek: Hegelian and Lacanian BS that sounds so le deep, overdefined bullshitty unfalsifiable politics / society related nonsense.

Chomsky: "This country you think is good has done bad stuff. These countries you barely hear about have had bad stuff happen in them"

Why THE FUCK do people think that non-trivial insights can be gained outside of STEM? It's UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE to think that this could happen. It has NEVER happened.

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>Le pen wants French corporations to use the Euro and regular French to use the Franc


How much it will take for this will back fire?

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Ain't this the Truth! Please post examples.

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Same Democrats Who Bash Trump For Immigration Order Also Supported Tougher Immigration Under Obama

Same Democrats Who Bash Trump For Immigration Order Also Supported Tougher Immigration Under Obama

Democratic Rep. Elizabeth Esty from Connecticut launched a tweetstorm Monday afternoon against President Donald Trump’s travel ban, but quickly backtracked after followers confronted her on her visa-related voting history.

Esty co-sponsored H.B. 158 on Dec. 3 2015, a bi-partisan bill that enabled the executive branch led by the the Department of Homeland Security to severely limit or curtail visas from countries like Iran and Iraq.

Trump’s list of seven countries came primarily from the text of H.B. 158, but the executive order allows Trump to place a travel ban from any resident of those countries, excluding those with current green cards or legal residents of the United States.

>That our nation issued a #MuslimBan & abandoned families fleeing terror on Holocaust Remembrance Day will forever stain our history. /1

>The countless stories of innocent families torn apart by this EO are horrifying. This isn’t who we are; this can’t be what we become. /2

>This issue transcends politics. Congress must act quickly, and I will work with any of my colleagues who will join me in doing so. /3

>As @ChrisMurphyCT said, this EO will embolden ISIS & endanger us. It’s a national security threat & Congress must treat it that way. 4/4

— Elizabeth Esty (@RepEsty) January 29, 2017

Esty’s followers on Twitter were quick to remind the congresswoman about her voting history, going so far as to call her a “liar.”

>REALLY @RepEsty? Because YOU co-sponsored it for Obama but it’s evil for @POTUS @realDonaldTrump. You’re a liar. https://t.co/AzsGNTrIyv https://t.co/MAian72be3

— Katica (@GOPPollAnalyst) January 30, 2017

Esty’s press office told The Daily Caller News Foundation the congresswoman didn’t mean to assert that she didn’t co-sponsor the bill, but rather the bill didn’t do the same thing as Trump’s executive order. The office added that Trump’s order is unique because it constitutes a blanket ban, while the bill that she co-sponsored only sought to reduce the number of visas issued from the same seven countries.

Esty’s co-sponsored Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 prevented members of 38 countries to enter the U.S. for less than 90 days. The law prevented anyone from obtaining a visa into the country if they had visited any of the countries on the list within the last five years.

The American Civil Liberties Union opposed the measure before it was signed into law.



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we need new moderators

they ban candydols and deleted my thread about connections between secessionism and socialism i think because of penises in picrel

fuck these totalitarians

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Can AnCap exist without its antagonists?

I've said that Socialism and Fascism can not function at all without demonizing a chosen favorite enemy. Their entire reasoning stems from hatred and extends to its justification.

What about Anarcho Capitalism? Can there be "good" without "evil"? If I had not become morally disgusted with envy, theft and Collectivism, I might have not arrived at the principles I follow today. Most of what I am today is based on what I refuse to be.

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Child Rights

So, /liberty/, what is your opinion on Child-adult relationships, sexual or otherwise?

Are children commodities or individuals with equal rights?

If a child cannot consent, then isn't their consent worthless or not needed if they're in the same state of mind anyhow as they do not possess the ability to consent?

As an exclusive nepiophile/pedophile I definitely think child-adult relationships are a-okay be them sexual or otherwise in of it's self. Obviously abuse is abuse, but love is also love, and I don't think anyone has a right to stand in the way of that love.

I see children as individuals with equal rights and opinions, ignorant folk, but not less valuable or less worth listening to or respecting. I'd violate the fuck out of your NAP if you think otherwise (as you'd assume I've violating it, when in reality you're the violator) to the death if you supported otherwise.

So how do you stand on the above questions, and most of all the question of parenting and children in general?

Being an anarcho-communist combined with my above feelings towards children and in regards to them I say children should be free to live with, transfer housing, schooling, or whatever else they want according to what they desire and feel is right. Elders are only there to guide and protect them from irrational extremely dangerous acts (such as jumping off a building) but otherwise have no say in what the child can or cannot do.

Just as anyone else, children could not drive or the like until fully autonomous cars were available for them (there are ones now so not an issue) as they are not capable of safely operating a typical vehicle today due to physical limitations among other things. If it's safe and they're somewhat capable, then it's entirely their choice.

What's your opinion /libertile/

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Criminal Prosecution and Indebted Servitude

A)In a society that values the free market and lacks a stong central government, would it be fair to say that all cases would be civil cases, due to the fact that the central government has been stripped of its monopoly on violence and criminal prosecution, and that all cases could be settled using economic compensation?

B)In this system, would it be fair to say that if the prosecuted, once convicted and sentanced, is unable to give just compensation as determined by the court, can and should be forced to sell off all of his labour (I.e. Put himself into Indebted Servitude ala colonial america) to pay off his debts?

C)And finally, would it be (c1)possible (c2)legal and (c3)ethical for his debt holders to sell off his debt, essentially selling his Indebted Servitude, to other private parties (individuals, businesses, the local government) at their discretion?

tl;dr if someone nigs your nog, could you enslave his ass and sell him to labour camps to build glorious free market roads?

Some other things to consider:

>how do you ethically calculate how much feeding and housing him will cost and how do you tack that to his debt without essentially making him your slave until he dies?

>what would you do if the indebted was old, sickly or underaged?

>would there be a special place where you could sell off their debts that cant be entered by people who have been known to abuse their indebted wrongly, or would complete dickbags be able to participate as freely as anyone else despite their sadism?

>what rights would IS's have if any? Would the community/lcla government be allowed to step in if they were being abused?

There is a lot to discuss here, and a lot of it has to di with precedence and the NAP if either one can be determined to be applicable, so if someone could post a pdf of the NAP and maybe some infographs on Indebted Servitude to help get us started and give people some sources to us, that would be amazing of you.

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What do you think off him?

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How do we make /liberty/ bigger and have a fewer amount of /pol/ and /leftypol/ shitposters?

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Lets be honest, how much has Planned Parenthood helped society?

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If me and my neighbours own this street after Ancap, wouldn't we be able to put up toll booths at either side and start charging any price we wanted to try and maximise revenue?

Businesses might offer free entry in order to not scare away all the customers, but residents don't necessarily care how many non-residents drive up and down their street

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what are anti gun/drone/whatever control arguments?

i have few

>illegal gun/drone posession victimless crime

>we have already laws forbiding assault

>everything can be a weapon so why not banning a pencil- it can be used to stab

i need verbal arguments- neither graphs nor statistics

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Thoughts on California leaving the union. For or Against? Is it legal? Where could it go?

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MSM Blackout: Past Six Presidents Have Blocked Classes Of Immigrants

Donald Trump has received much flak from Democrats and Republicans alike for his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the U.S through executive authority. However, the past six presidents have all used the executive power to bar different classes of immigrants.

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

President Barack Obama has used the authority this statute provides six times in his tenure. In July 2011, Obama barred the entry of “anyone under a UN travel ban; anyone who violates any of 29 executive orders regarding transactions with terrorists, those who undermine the democratic process in specific countries, or transnational criminal organizations.”

In April of 2012, he barred the entry of anyone “facilitating computer or network disruption that could assist in or enable serious human rights abuses by or on behalf of the government of Iran and Syria; anyone who have sold or provided goods, services, or technology to Iran or Syria likely to be used for such purposes; or to have materially assisted anyone whose property or interests are described.”

Former President George W.Bush used this authority six times as well during his tenure, typically on government officials. In January 2004, he signed an order “barring entry for public officials who solicit or accept bribes in exchange for any act or omission in their public duties that has serious adverse effects on the national interests of the U.S.; anyone who provides or offers to provide such a bribe; any current or former public official whose misappropriation of public funds or interference with public processes has had serious adverse effects on the national interests of the U.S.; or the immediate families.”

The groups Bush barred for entry included members of the Mugabe government in Zimbabwe and the Lukashenka government in Belarus.

The authority of the president to bar certain classes of aliens was used six times by former President Bill Clinton. For example, in May of 1994 Clinton signed an order “barring entry for members of the Haitian military, their immediate families, any major participants in the coup d’état of 1991.”

Then in January of 1998, Clinton signed an order “barring entry for members of the military junta in Sierra Leone, and their families.”

Former President George H.W Bush only used this executive authority once in his four years of office. When he did use it, it was actually to undo a previous executive order by President Ronald Reagan that suspended entry of officers and employees of the Nicaraguan government.

Former President Ronald Reagan used this executive authority five times while in office. In September of 1981, he barred the entry of “any undocumented aliens arriving at the borders of the United States from the high seas.” In August of 1986, Reagan signed an order “barring entry for any Cuban nationals or immigrants except in certain cases.” These “certain cases” included Cuban nationals who had applied for entry into the U.S as immediate family members and those who under law were “special immigrants.”

Former President Jimmy Carter used this executive power only once and in a way quite similar to what Trump has proposed. In April 1980, as the U.S embassy in Tehran was under terrorist control, Carter signed an order invalidating “all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States.” The order said that the U.S “will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires.”

Law Professor Jan Ting of Temple University told The Daily Caller that “absolutely and without any doubt” does existing law allow Trump to restrict immigration of certain nationalities or religious groups.



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Does any of you have that comic, usually posted as a response to wage slavery, where the caveman spends a day thinking about how hunting and gathering sucks, realizes that the domination of nature over men has to stop, thus taking the first step toward becoming human, technological progress and civilization?

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Did Britain do well mostly because of the steam engine? Was there something more important?

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Hello /liberty/, I am looking for a lost child on behalf of /leftypol/. Said to be last seen here, goes by the name "Rebel Absurdity", very susceptible to ideology.

I do hope if he passed here you took good care of him, not letting one of those /pol/lacks give him any Evola or Hitler to read.

If found please send to >>>/leftypol/

thank you and have a good day

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Could you guys please add a (Classical) Liberal Flag? I don't want to be associated with autistic lolbertarians and anarkid$ when funposting on here.

No, but seriously, please add this flag. Not all of /liberty/ endorses libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism and all the other alternatives are pretty meh.

>pic related

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Under capitalism, the proletariat is exploited by the capitalist.

What does this mean?

Because the capitalist owns the means of production, he is able to pay the proletariat less than the value of his labour. This amount- what amounts to a rent enjoyed by the capitalist purely due to ownership of the means of production- is extracted every hour of the proletariat's working day.

Gradually the income filters upwards, and the capitalist class fattens itself. In a generation, any idea of 'hierarchy of the hard-working' becomes a sick joke, and the parasitic nature of the elites becomes obvious.

Instead, we may call it 'feudalism of the fortunate'- those who are born into the ruling class exploit the labourers.

What do we demand in an economic system? Surely that it is just, that it brings liberty, and that it reduces poverty. None of these factors is much brought in to the great mass of the people under a system of capitalism.

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Do driver's licences violate NAP?

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How Ironic: Liberals Who Want To Move To Canada Are Being Blocked By Their Strict Immigration Policy

Liberals seeking to move to Canada because they are unhappy with the election results are finding that Canada won’t take them because its immigration policies exclude those who won’t contribute to the economy.

One of the policies of President Donald Trump that has some Democrats claiming they want to jump ship is his pledge to limit immigration from people whose lives in America would be dependent on welfare. Trump promises “extreme vetting” before accepting immigrants or refugees.

But Democrats looking to move from the U.S. to Australia, Canada and other wealthy English-speaking nations are learning that those nations already have similar policies.

A top law firm known for obtaining Canadian visas for U.S. citizens says there are three main ways to get in: by having in-demand job skills, by owning a business or having a high net worth, or by having relatives already there.

Canada’s official immigration page also sets a high bar, listing opportunities to “immigrate as a skilled worker,” “immigrate by starting a business and creating jobs” or “immigrate by investing in the Canadian economy.” The website had so many visitors immediately after Trump’s win that the server crashed.

It also maintains a refugee category, but targets people who have already been displaced “outside their home country,” and not those who want to move from their home country to Canada.

Canada is willing only to be a last resort for refugees; such candidates are not eligible if they “have another durable solution for protection, such as an offer to be resettled in another country.”

Even then, the nation known for its hockey and its Maple syrup then asks individual Canadians to pick up the bill, by either voluntarily funding the program or taking refugees in to their own homes. Individuals must be “selected as a government-assisted or privately sponsored refugee, or have the funds needed to support” themselves and any dependents after they “arrive in Canada.”

Canada does have a special program for Syrian refugees and accepted 40,000 since November, 2015, about four times as many as the U.S. during the same time-span under former President Barack Obama.

As one hysterical liberal lamented on Facebook, “What are the actual implications of these Executive Douche Orders? Should I just pack my bags and move to Canada?” After researching the Canadian immigration system, the individual posted that he had determined that “ironically,” as an artist who could not afford to buy property and only rented a loft in Brooklyn, Canada had no desire in taking him in.

Immigration rules for Australia and similar nations are comparable, with strict rules focused on accepting people that are a net value-added to their economy.



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libertarian videos

post your favourite libertarian videos

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He saw her look of sudden attentiveness, the look of thought rushing into a breach torn open upon a new direction. He watched her for a moment, as if he knew every step she would find along that road, then chuckled and said, “Don’t you want to ask me now: Who is John Galt?”

“Why should I want to, and why now?”

“Don’t you remember that you dared him to come and claim your Line? Well, he has.”

He walked on, not waiting to see the look in her eyes—a look that held anger, bewilderment and the first faint gleam of a question mark.

It was the muscles of his own face that made Rearden realize the nature of his reaction to Francisco’s arrival: he noticed suddenly that he was smiling and that his face had been relaxed into the dim well-being of a smile for some minutes past, as he watched Francisco d.‘An conia in the crowd.

He acknowledged to himself, for the first time, all the half-grasped, half-rejected moments when he had thought of Francisco d‘Anconia and thrust the thought aside before it became the knowledge of how much he wanted to see him again. In moments of sudden exhaustion—at his desk, with the fires of the furnaces going down in the twilight—in the darkness of the lonely walk through the empty countryside to his house—in the silence of sleepless nights—he had found himself thinking of the only man who had once seemed to be his spokesman. He had pushed the memory aside, telling himself: But that one is worse than all the others!—while feeling certain that this was not true, yet being unable to name the reason of his certainty. He had caught himself glancing through the newspapers to see whether Francisco d’.Anconia had returned to New York—and he had thrown the newspapers aside, asking himself angrily: What if he did return?—would you go chasing him through night clubs and cocktail parties?—what is it that you want from him?

This was what he had wanted—he thought, when he caught himself smiling at the sight of Francisco in the crowd—this strange feeling of expectation that held curiosity, amusement and hope.

Francisco did not seem to have noticed him. Rearden waited, fighting a desire to approach; not after the kind of conversation we had, he thought—what for?—what would I say to him? And then, with the same smiling, light-hearted feeling, the feeling of being certain that it was right, he found himself walking across the ballroom, toward the group that surrounded Francisco d.‘Anconia.

He wondered, looking at them, why these people were drawn to Francisco, why they chose to hold him imprisoned in a clinging circle, when their resentment of him was obvious under their smiles. Their faces had the hint of a look peculiar, not to fear, but to cowardice: a look of guilty anger. Francisco stood cornered against the side edge of a marble stairway, half-leaning, half-sitting on the steps; the informality of his posture, combined with the strict formality of his clothes, gave him an air of superlative elegance. His was the only face that had the carefree look and the brilliant smile proper to the enjoyment of a party; but his eyes seemed intentionally expressionless, holding no trace of gaiety, showing—like a warning signal—nothing but the activity of a heightened perceptiveness.

Standing unnoticed on the edge of the group, Rearden heard a woman, who had large diamond earrings and a flabby, nervous face, ask tensely, “Señor d.‘Anconia, what do you think is going to happen to the world?”

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President Trump - The Trap is Set

President Trump - The Trap is Set


Posted this on /leftypol/ just to see some reactions. Not too many took kindly to this video even though it was not bias and provides a whole lot of information.

Hope to get a better conversation going here.

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Remember Orthodox Jews are the reason the US and the UK are constantly shilling for Israel and bombing random Arabs in the Middle East.

That costs trillions of dollars and causes terrorism and authoritarianism at home.

Remember non-Orthodox Jews are shilling for easy immigration, non-discrimination laws, hate speech laws and often social democracy or full on communism.

Remember Jews in general advocate for increased centralisation of power because centralising power reduces how much lobbying you need to do. They want a single Jewish foreign policy, a single Jewish currency, and a centralised control hub for immigration, discrimination laws, hate speech laws, etc

This seems like a horrible conspiracy theory but it is actually true

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So Trump wants to stamp out the lobbyist fires and make it so America gets its drugs at a decent price, rather than capitulating to high as hell prices set by Big Pharma. Reportedly it'd save 164 billion dollars a year, most of these saving would probably be passed onto the lower classes.

I love it, this is something that maybe a political party that claims to be on the side of the less fortunate and working classes should have done years ago to reduce America's hilarious "you go to hospital without insurance and your life is over XD" medical system problem.

What does /liberty/ make of this? Is it okay for the government to try and enforce some actual competition in the market?

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Anyone here who could go to HWNDU and spread some love to our /pol/bros?

Try to hug them and get initated into their circle through memes to show you are one of them.

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Libertarians were cucked in the US because of their retarded leaders.


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what is the most /liber/tarian lifestyle.

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Did /pol/ just voted another George Bush into the white house?


I don't get it, why is the government keeps funding Fannie Mae to boost the housing market? Didn't they realize that this company already failed spectacularly during the housing crisis of 08, and yet the government keeps funding them by using tax payers money to accumulate more US Debt.

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could you guys atleast drop the pretenses and just change the imagine in the pinned thread so that the lines are defines as:

>welcome: anarcho-capitalists

>danger: libertarian capitalism

>NO: everything else

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What went wrong?

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American Revolution violates the NAP

Was destroying British private property justified?

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how to redpill my family? my stepfather was fighting against milicja obywatelska when poland was communistic and he thinks he is anarchistic but he is a normie watching popular tv channels and voting popular politicians. he is brainwashed by political correctness i think and it would be hard to redpill him but how to do it? my mother is a female obviously so there is little hope for her :(

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How is this image wrong in what it implies? Not sure how you could argue against this.

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Liberty this is a call from the Left.

You surely must know that /pol/ack white nationalism is just as sour and misleading identity politics as the SJW.

The enemy is the state, the goal is liberty. With their white nationalism they will give greater power to the surveillance state, to the wars in the middle east, Latin America, whereever, to the funnelling of peoples work into their own selfish ends through the brutal mechanism of the state.

Left or right, authoritarians must say good night

Please tell me you haven't bought the white nationalist meme

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I think governments should accept urban sprawl as a necessary cost for having enough housing for everyone.

What does /liberty/ think?

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omg help

Holy shit guys

I went into


Expecting to blow those commie fucks out but this Marx poster dropped this pdf on me? Wtf I thought they couldn't solve the socialist calculation problem? I'm literally shaking omg

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Romanticism and Primitivism

See these people in the pic? These are the Jivaro, a family of tribes living in South America. Their primary cultural achievement was the invention of the shrunken head. The main cause of death for their males is violence, with a full half of them being killed. According to their religion, every person has a spirit that will leave the body and wander around after a few years, and can get easily stolen at that point. The way to renew your spirit is to kill someone and steal his.

They are an extreme case, but not the only one. The Yanomamo are almost as brutal, and certain North American tribes, like the Apache, were reknown for their cruelty. The Comanche take the cake in this regard, having almost completely eradicated some fellow tribes. Not just that, their torture methods were as brutal as it gets. You can google it if you want, but I'm telling you it's not pretty. Oh, and none of the tribes I mentioned had any concept of conduct of war. Some NA tribes even saw it as particularly honorable to scalp children, as that was proof you had the balls to sneak into the middle of an enemy camp and no, they weren't taught this by the ebul white man, that's leftist revisionist propaganda. And the Maori used to put the heads of their enemies on spikes, to insult them at later opportunities. The heads, not living enemies.

So much for the pacifism of primitive tribes. The supposed harmony within many tribes, which romanticists also love to point out, is frequently disturbed by envy and the fear of being bewitched for minor slights, and let's not forget that revenge plays such a big role for them, too. The Yanomamo in particular are also known for beating and branding their wifes to make them submissive. Harmonious as fuck, we sure can learn a lot from these people.

My point is that romanticists can go fuck themselves. Next time some liberal tells you that your ancestors stole land from the Comanche, or how how modern technology and the affluent society destroy families and social ties, remind him of some of these facts.

Disclaimer: Maybe there are some peaceful tribes out there, but I haven't stumbled upon them in my research. And I still don't support genocide, so fuck off, /pol/.

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“You say that Marxism is the very antithesis of capitalism, which is equally sacred to us [The Money Power] It is precisely for this reason that they are direct opposites to one another, that they put into our hands the two poles of this planet and allow us to be its axis. These two contraries, like Bolshevism and ourselves, find their identity in the International.”

Otto Kahn, Investment Banker


at first I though he was a leftie but after checking the page,i recognized some beta faggots who happen to be friends of richard spencer so the anti-jew horseshit becomes obvious,but,are the arguments presented in the article real? did rothbard,hayek and mises had connections with those bankers? or is it a mix of nazi-left-wing propaganda

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Question to Ancap and other anarchist, is it alright to lynch niggers?

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Oh boy

>begin semester of Intermediate Macro-economics

>have to watch this video before going to the first Seminar

Oh boy

'Just ignore interest rates when studying booms in investment dude'

'Just ignore the government forcing banks to loan houses to risky clients when studying collapses in the subprime mortage market'

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>"You only want too give women and minorities equal rights because your ideology is anti-white and anti-male just like communism, look at how many libertarians are jews"

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Thoughts on federal funding of Planned Parenthood from a "free market" perspective?I'm undereducated on how healthcare works in general, but it seems like the same services could be left to local clinics.

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Pro Gun Legislation

If you are in favor of Pro Gun legislation, please vote in favor of these two bills and send a letter to your representatives using the built in system.

H.R. 38

>Concealed carry reciprocity in all 50 states


H.R. 367

>To Provide that silencers (suppresors) be treated the same as long guns.


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what causes business cycles?

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is it true that sheakespeare was living in patriarchal era when misogynism (cf. taming of the shrew) and antisemitism (the merchant of venice) were prevalent?

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How are people going to afford the electricity to zap gays if power isn't provided by the state? The high setup cost to make power plants and the infrastructure would make it a natural monopoly, so it wouldn't it be best if the industry was run by the state.


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Defending Alex Jones (Infowars) Before He's Shut Down

There is a war against so-called 'fake news' and Alex Jones, Infowars and PrisonPlanet.tv are being targeted. Watch this video and you decide what you think of Alex Jones. https://youtu.be/Fd9LpTs_Yg0



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Meme Kanye into POTUS

I think electing Donald Trump got us onto the right direction. Trump seems like somewhat of a social liberal on some issues while being a fiscally conservative Republican on taxes. But we should get someone libertarian in the Oval Office. Someone that people would really like and is popular enough than a neocon or liberal candidate.

My suggestion would be Kanye West. He might not be principled or bright as Ron Paul or Rand Paul but he is popular enough to get at least more than 10% of the vote. He is also very popular among minorities (African Americans) and millenials.

He is definitely very socially liberal on many issues but unfortunately he doesn't seem to have any economic views. But if we were to meme him into some freedom-loving libertarian, people might start seeing the libertarian platform for what it is and might join because of Kanye.

I don't really want Kanye to win since I don't think he is not suitable for the job but he can make libertarianism a lot more popular among Americans. In the 2016 election, Gary Johnson fucked us up by being a total dipshit. And although Kanye could be acting worse, he has a strong fanbase (unlike Johnson) to back him up so it doesn't look as bad.

So what's your guys' thoughts on this?

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Maybe government regulation could work..

Maybe government regulation would work if we didn't put the foxes in charge of the hen house.

Just a thought…

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I have a college seminar coming up where we'll be discussing this old stinker, and I think we might consequently be discussing UBI. Any basic refutations that I can bring up? I'm somewhat familiar with arguments like

>New tech jobs

>less expensive goods→less time working

>UBI causes inflation/unwillingness not invest capital

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Opportunity to strike back


Several boards are notified.

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Elizabeth Warren- "The Education Department is a Loaning Bank to Enslave Millions"

This whole video is kek-worthy. Figured I'd send it your way.

>"W-well you gotta be in charge of a bank!"

>"W-well are you gonna enforce it?"

>We're gonna review it

>"That's not OK! It should not be reviewed! You can't change anything, that might let the education bubble pop be blamed on Democrats instead of Republicans!"

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I have been noticing a trend on all the boards of 8chan, which you should be typing in the address as https://8ch.net httpS←-

that there are tons of data gathering threads disguised as "I'm bored so whats all your info".

here are a few examples of data gathering threads. you don't think they are building a profile on you? this is disgusting.

>how much money is in your bank account



>"would you possibly pick the underage girl?"



>what did you dream about last night



>inb4 "it's just a dream"

it may reveal something about you. to the spooks and shitheads, that's data.

>what's the biggest secret you have



>post your secrets that you can only tell /b/



>what do you think about jews?



>what will you be remembered by?



>what is your gender identity?



>any perverted anons here?



>perverts report in!



>psychopaths, do you know any? are you one?



>Have you ever thought about robbing a bank /b/?

>And If so, how would you do it?



>what is your full first name and the first letter of your last name?



>What's your race and body measurements, and would you ever consider becoming a sissy? If yes what kind of person would you like to be dominated by?



now they are switching tactics and resorting to suggesting taking sleeping pills and alchohol. very dangerous!

>So last night I took these sleeping pills and mixed it with some whisky, pretty classic time


another tactic switch, they are trying to entrap accomplices to theft.

>Sup. I'm going to shoplift again tomorrow. Stay tuned, because this is going to be one big ass haul.

>I will steal one item per request, dubs get to decide which.

>The store I'll be hitting is a supermarket.

this one is very interesting so make sure to read near the end of the thread


they are also resorting to pathetically asking people what makes them uncomfortable so that they can learn their fears and use them against them later.

>images that make you uncomfortable


>fuck marry kill

they want data on people admitting (doesn't matter if it's a joke) to murder so it can be used against them later. and care or not, these threads are used as bad pr against 8chan presented to idiotic normies. not that it matters what normies think.



Big warning here. some anons suggested lying to these threads. DO NOT LIE IN ANY WAY THAT CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU.

do not tell lies that may be dangerous, or about fictional crimes to these bad people even if they are totally fabricated.

keep in mind even lies may hold small pieces of the truth.

also, why are we letting these data miners shit up the board, the whole website?

there is some severe spook bastard level shill spy FISHING going on here. I hope none of you are stupid enough to give them anything

thread archive



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I was browsing the site about building the enterprise and wondering what happened with it.

While looking through the forum on there, I found the members who were last active had come up with a curious idea.

Someone made a thread suggesting they'd make a company to get funding for the project.

One of the replies mentioned forming an employee owned organization.

They specificly mentioned they needed hierarchy while stating that authoritarian government was not the way.

So what does /liberty/ think of this idea? Would it work to have an employee owned non profit organization with the goal of building a large structure for improving life for the participants?

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Join lads we need more freedom lovers https://discord.gg/TCzwsP3

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Book Thread

This is now the official thread for book reviews, recommendations and discussions.

Pic related is an educated African American reading a book on the Civil Rights Movemet, because that's all these niggers ever read.

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libertarians BTFO

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What is 'IMAGINE' really about?

>Humanitarian freedom?

>World peace?

>Controlled united goverment?

The last one can be interpretated as the NWO society

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socialized medicine might actually cost the American tax payer less than supported the current for profit system.

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minarchism + mincome = paradise

You can't prove me wrong.

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This triggers the propietor

Let's consider the following:

1.-There is a natural supply of land, expressed by the materialist fact of land existing

2.-There is a natural demand for land, expressed by the materialist fact of humans being able to use land to satisfy their basic needs

Therefore, why should a state, either private or public, defend property rights? Reminder doing such thing means it is acting against the natural order of the market

How then could you justify theft in the form of private property?

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>What economic school do you subscribe to?

>Best book on economics?

>Favorite economist?

>Least favorite economist / economic school?

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Since Classic Liberalism has already been appropriated by the most famous Sarcuck of Akkad what will ex-Classic Liberals call themselves? Classic Classic Liberals, Paleoliberals, Classic Libertarians?

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>mfw leftists ask me to ignore the last eight years of bombing hospitals and regulating religion in order to help them combat Trump

>mfw Trumpfags ask me to ignore the massive human rights violations they plan to commit in the name of "stopping the left"

Remember /liberty/, coalition-building just gets you stabbed in the back. Now is the time to invade enemy turf while they're still consolidating power.

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>more and more usa soldiers in poland

>putin is scared

will i have a war in my home country? when?

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Theorycrafting with difficult situations.

Sometimes, when the number of infected people with a hardly virus goes too high, hospitals decide to burn themselves in order to prevent infections form spreading further. This is a last resort situation, but we must consider it. Of course, we must consider that such a answer also violates the NAP

What is the answer to such a situation? Should we continue to quarantine people in the hospital for days after days while slowly providing vaccines, should we tell the people within the hospital what is happening and leave them to make their own decisions?

Remember: Don't break the fucking NAP.

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>ywn be a poisonous frog that kills anyone that violates your NAP

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How can we have a free market when 50% of the world's wealth is control by a mere eight people https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jan/16/worlds-eight-richest-people-have-same-wealth-as-poorest-50

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Thirty Years War

How bad was it really? What caused it? Is the state to blame or not, and why is the state to blame?

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>"Without welfare who's gonna feed my ten kids, you some kind a racist?"

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What are we going to do about Islamic culture? Just about every other culture is coming around to our way of thinking.

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Thimas jefferson

Best book about Thomas Jefferson is?

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What is Operation Golden Age?

Hello, people of /liberty/. I'm the board owner of /x/ and this is a formal invitation to join Operation Golden Age.

The problem

You're probably aware that 8chan's community is small and highly fragmented. This is a terrible combination. Small forums work best when they have a small number of sections. Big sites can afford to have many subforums. While we enjoy the freedom to create and customise our own boards, the current model of infinite boards plus a stagnant community has resulted in a situation where the vast majority of boards are not as active as they could be. This is a pity, because imageboards are a great and versatile medium, and out of all imageboards, 8chan has the most potential.

Unfortunately our growth model so far has relied on various waves of exodus from other communities, mainly from 4chan. By its very nature, this model doesn't guarantee constant growth, and actually makes growth almost undesirable, because when it happens it's so big and sudden that the influx of new users can be difficult to manage. What we want is slow and steady growth.

The solution

We need to start spreading the word about 8chan. The keyword here is "we". The administrators won't do it because they don't make any money from this site, so it's not in their best interest to advertise it. The big boards won't do it either because they already enjoy a good number of PPH (posts per hour) and they're scared that any new visitor might ruin their 'culture'. From their point of view, there's nothing wrong with the current state of things. Most boards on the other hand would greatly benefit from a bigger community, but we have to make it happen. We have to realise that if we don't do something about it, nothing will change.

Now, due to the fact that most small boards represent niche interests, broad advertisements won't be particularly effective. Instead of advertising for 8chan as a site, we want to target people who are already interested in our niche. We can do this for free by mentioning our boards in places where our target audience gather. It can be Youtube videos, forums, blogs, etc. The more exposure, the better. We can create original content that contains a link to our board and share it on as many sites as we want.

Do we really want to recruit from outside of imageboards?

Yes! Remember that we were all newfags at some point. I discovered /v/ and /b/ through a Pokemon forum around 2008. Where did you come from? Everyone has his own story, but the point is that there's no reason to be afraid of newfags. We just need to make sure that they understand how things work around here. I'm currently working on a 8chan guide for newfags. Once it's done, board owners can add it to their boards as a page. I'll post my finished version and you'll be free to modify it however you see fit.

I encourage every small board to participate and contribute to this operation however they can. Cooperation will be key to our success. If you wish to discuss strategy and methods, please it do here >>>/x/28856 so that this information is shared with everyone.

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On Laws

A lot of people here seem to sometimes steer towards non-lib positions like wanting refugee control, or we come across situations where "socially shaming" people is the option here, which is basically "we're going to try to remove you form this part of the community nevermind asking if shops will actually stop doing business with you or asking if a state/private security firm would do better".

I mean yeah, this board nails the Free Market well, but in the core you still want to apply some non-economic rules. Do you just think it would be better if the state didn't enforce the rules but the community did? It lowers the power of the state but it gives a shitty alternative which might not work as well as you're thinking.

The alternative is having private security firms do it, but how would you make them enforce the law? I can't see them enforcing anything but stopping things that violate the Non-aggression principle.

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Fresh OC. What do you say?

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Age of consent thread

What is the ideal age of consent in libertarian society?

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Why is there no Conservative Party of Canada flag?

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In his book The Counter-Revolution of Science, F.A. Hayek describes three elements of what he calls scientism (which is best defined by a recourse to these same elements), and how they have made a good deal of all social sciences completely worthess. These three elements are:


When running an experiment in the social sciences, you cannot isolate variables, not without knowing in advance which variables are even relevant. To You cannot even make sense of what other people do simply by observing them. What kind of sociological law would you formulate if you saw one guy give another guy coins and get a loaf of bread, then saw a girl give the second guy some paper and receive a loaf of bread of the same size, and so on, if you didn't know the meaning these actors give to their actions and those of others? You cannot even describe an everyday occurence like buying some bread without using the insight you have into how other humans act, not without it getting extremely lengthy and contrived, and you expect me to believe that doing so will somehow increase the explanatory power of the theories based on the behavior you describes?

As it is almost impossible to shut down your preconceived notions of how other human beings act, an explanation for human behavior that does not involve any introspection is not even any more objective. It is more secure to be transparent about these notions, so others can criticize them. The way to go, then, is subjectivism, treating human beings as the actors that they are and not as a natural phenomenon that works according to rules which you have no insight into.


Collectivism, in the epistemic sense, is the belief that you can get insight into how society works by looking at it as a whole. Collectivism suffers from the fact that "the whole" doesn't exist in a tangible form. To explain how it behaves, you have to interpret actions of individual actors with regards to the collective you want to understand. Collectivism is, in a way, an extension of objectivism: You try to make pure observations, with no preconceived notions influencing them, but what you in fact do is to hide the insights without which you couldn't explain the object of your observation in any meaningful sense.

Even if describing concepts like the state, the economy or the society was possible in this purely objective manner, you still wouldn't necessarily be able to explain how their behavior influence the individual. To do so, you need to observe the individual (individualist approach), and understand how it interprets social influences - in short, you have to use a subjectivist methodology.


This is related to the other two traits of scientism. Historicism is the tendency to try and formulate eternal laws of history, and is very closely related to historical determinism. However, you cannot interpret or even understand history in a vacuum. How do you explain the Second World War if you do not understand military science? How do you explain the Great Crash without understanding economics? This issue runs far deeper than these examples suggest, though: How do you explain any historic event without an insight into how human beings act? You simply can't. Laws of pure history, then, are worthless. History by itself offers no insight into how it runs.

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stolen from /pol/




tl;dr - Cunts pushing to filter the Internet and make you pay $20 to access adult sites, under the guise of stopping sex trafficking and cheese pizza. This money goes to "finance programs and groups that are working to offset the secondary harmful effects of easily accessible prostitution hubs, child pornography, revenge pornography, and obscenity." The worst part is that this was written by the ACLU of all people.

The crown jewel of its FAQ:

>Libertarians should absolutely support this act in accordance with the foundational premises of their own value system: this act will greatly reduce government regulations, the size of government, and the costs imposed on taxpayers overall. One way or the other, our society is paying a huge cost to deal with the fallout of easily accessible pornography and prostitution hubs. There are social costs, like divorce and pornography addiction, and there is a cost to criminal justice, like enforcing laws against human trafficking, voyeurism, possession of child pornography, and domestic violence. Society can “pay now” or it can “pay later” by continuing to have to address the secondary harmful effects that the pornography and prostitution hubs online generate. There are more people in jail in the United States than in any other Country. The United States cannot prosecute its way out of a sexual holocaust and porn pandemic. This bill will reduce incarcerations and victimization, which will reduce government overreach and the steps towards a police state. Respectfully, the public health cannot afford for libertarians to refuse to think, when it comes to deciding what are the optimal set of restrictions that should be applied. On the basis of the most elementary analysis, it is clear that this is an act that helps business and allows children and families stay safe, which reduces the additional need for government measures in other areas. In terms of intellectual dishonesty, it is not helpful for libertarians to be in a state of denial about an act that creates a new revenue stream for business and reduces government regulation overall.

>Furthermore, the total prohibition against any form of government regulation is completely unrealistic and would create a state of nature. Consider this: a fish on the grass is not free. It is only when the fish is confined to water that it can swim lightening fast, thrive, and even breath. The same is true with humans. Mankind does not flourish best when child pornography, prostitution hubs, and obscenity are all one click away or unavoidable. Without “truth,” there is no “freedom.” “Freedom” comes from the “truth.” “Freedom” is not the “presence of restrictions” nor the “absence of restrictions.” “Freedom” is the presence of the “right restrictions,” the set of restrictions that objectively fits the givenness of our nature, the truth about “the way we are," and the truth about “the way things are.” The set of restrictions that promote the most amount of peace, intimacy, reconciliation, healing, and forgiveness, in order to advance human flourishing to the maximized capacity are the set of restrictions that the state and federal legislature should adopt. The Supreme Court has found that the State has a compelling interest to uphold community standards of decency in Paris Theater. The state has an opportunity to impose a filter deactivation fee that will completely finance state programs that are indispensible, like the Human Trafficking Task Force and the victims compensation fund. These state programs are not going to sua sponte fund themselves. The filter deactivation fee also empowers non-profit non-government groups in the state to receive the funding to run their operations, which reduces the need for more government programs, while advancing the goal of libertarians directly.

wtf I love porn taxes now

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Fresh OC. I wish I could into graphic design or however you wizards call it.

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and im laffin

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Take for example a commune in the canton of Vaud, in the winter time, when all the men of the village go to fell wood in the forest, which belongs to them all. It is precisely during these festivals of toil that the greatest ardour for work and the most considerable display of human energy are apparent. No salaried labour, no effort of a private owner can bear comparison with it.

Or let us take a Russian village, when all its inhabitants mow a field belonging to the commune, or farmed by it. There you will see what man can produce when he works in common for communal production. Comrades vie with one another in cutting the widest swath; women bestir themselves in their wake so as not to be distanced by the mowers. It is a festival of labour, in which a hundred people do work in a few hours that would not have been finished in a few days had they worked separately. What a sad contrast compared to the work of the isolated owner!

In fact, we might quote scores of examples among the pioneers of America, in Swiss, German, Russian, and in certain French villages; or the work done in Russia by gangs (artels) of masons, carpenters, boatmen, fishermen, etc., who undertake a task and divide the produce or the remuneration among themselves, without it passing through the intermediary of middlemen. We could also mention the great communal hunts of nomadic tribes, and an infinite number of successful collective enterprises. And in every case we could show the unquestionable superiority of communal work compared to that of the wage-earner or the isolated private owner.



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An austrian economist free market advocate and individualist was teaching a class on Hayek, know market fundamentalist

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Mises and accept his praxeological method was the most advanced theory in economics ever devised"

At this moment, a brave, rational, keynesian economist who had read more then 15000 pages of Krugman and Samuelson and understood the raison d'être of the economic cycle and actually cared about poor people stood up and held up a copy of the general theory of employment, interet and money"

”How empirical is this text, jewfag"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “It's not empirical at all, fucking statist, its 'truth' is derived from a priori principles”

"Well then, i guess i don't have to even defend my economic theories since they actually have been shown to work in the real world unlike yours"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Atlas Shrugged. He stormed out of the room crying about inflation and entrepeneurship. There is no doubt that at this point in time ou professor, Murray Rothbard, wished he hadn't systematically criticised the state and offered the free market as a better alternative even for child-rearing. he wished so much that he had some sought of ethics system which actually accepted the state, but he himself had written to disprove it!

The students applauded and all rolled into American universities that day and accepted Keynes as the end of economics. An eagle named “Animal Spirit” flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Economics a General Analysis" and shed a tear on the hardcover. The last sentence of "The Concience of a Libera;" was read several times, and Keynes himself showed up and demonstrated how Praxeology is nothing but a means of ignoring macroeconomic trends.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died miserable and alone while living of welfare, the only consolation being that in the long run everybody else would be dead too.

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/liberty/ will defend this!!!

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Was he right? Can we really fix child-rearing with the free market.

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it wasn't his fault, guys. those children broke the NAP.

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Why are Libertarians either Stoners or Facists in denial?

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Free will has been debunked by modern neuroscience. How can we configure a post-free will Libertarianism?

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some random stranger sent me a friend request, then this exchange happened.

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Objectivism General

So far, I've only read Atlas Shrugged and The Virtue of Selfishness. How do I best progress?

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How can his videos be so clickbaity, is this some sought of alt-right thing?

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A social democracy could introduce socialism quite easily and still have economic growth.

Workers control of the means of production has to be a good thing, doesn't it? Alienation, work incentives, bargaining power etc

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What was the most difficult or the most counter-intuitive thing for you when you started learning economics? For me so far, I think it's either the business cycle theory or equilibrium analysis.

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It being NYE, I was wondering: Does drunk driving violate the NAP? If so, what constitutes reasonable suspicion? Are DUI checkpoints a violation of freedom?

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Lads, I am torn. One of the best employment opportunities in my area is at the Navy of a Big-state country. Is it morally wrong if I get this job? I swear I would try to spread the libertarian ideals.

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Should we have more than 1 currencies in our countries?

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The Kurdish people in the Middle East are fighting for soverignty in places like Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. The one thing I like about Kurds is that they want more individual liberties compared to neighboring Arab nations by allowing women to have more rights. Unfortunately, many of them want the failed economic systems of socialism and communism. I personally don't understand why they want a system like that because it would be similar to economies of the Baathist countries of Iraq and Syria which are their enemies.

How do we redpill Kurds on libertarianism and libertarian economics?

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Libertarians on Chans

I feel that kind of isolated from the /pol/ boards on because of their whole obsession with being white and NatSoc. I can't find any libertarians anywhere since a lot of them are buying into the whole Nazi meme.

So how do we libertarians have a bigger presence on sites like 8chan, halfchan, or even Reddit? I hate the fact that we are small and our ideas aren't presented out there.

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Need an Austrian/libertarian explanation of the 2008 crash

I know the basic arguments (Banks wouldn't have given bad loans if interest rates weren't set artificially low by the Fed, banks wouldn't make such risky investments if they couldn't count on getting bailed out), but I'm looking for a specific source, preferably one that doesn't have too much jargon, to illustrate my point.

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It is interesting to note that almost all libertarian leaders are Jewish. At least communism was partially founded by the German Friedrich Engels. The massive amount of cognitive dissonance that goes through every single libertarians brain when this is pointed out is shocking, but after all they have swallowed the blue-pill of individualism just like every democrat even if they have not swallowed the blue pill of socialism. They of course will use this is as justification for holding a blatantly jewish ideology like the good goys while jews have even themselves abandoned the ideology for communism.

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What does /liberty/ think about Thomas Paine?

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How will /liberty/ deal with the superior marxist race?

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>study hard

>work hard

>save money so i have something when i retire

>gommies take over

>they take my saved money, because property tax

>shit, but ok gommies will take care of me when i'm old

>grow old

>gommunizm eventually collapses, because ppl want a little more than their fair share of nothing and black markets start vibrating

>ok, market is rebooted

>i'm old and have nothing because gommies took it back then

>fugg :^D

How can i stop communists from treading me so hard, that i starve when i retire? Is there any solution besides leaving the country?

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Daily reminder. If pedo villages exist they would be fair game.

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>when the argument won't load

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So when exactly did the perception of Libertarianism in the popular consciousness change from a system about minimizing government interference in peoples personal lives too "Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal".

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A friend keeps sending me these videos, and I finally got around to watching some of them. One was an hour long and about HAARP reading your minds, featuring Isaac Scheklowitz. This was the other. The title summarizes the video, so don't bother watching it if you don't give a shit. Nothing surprising happens. I have no idea if it's scientifically sound but coming from a psychologist, it probably isn't.

Really, most of what my friend talks about is narcissism and psychopathy, or her plans to leave society and have her own organic farm. She is a good friend, but fuck me sideways, this is getting ridiculous. A few years ago, she got me started on the path of anarchocapitalism, and now she watches videos like this all day long. Anyone know what's up with these memes of organic farming and a cabal of psychopaths secretly ruling the world? I see them pop up all the time, and now from her, too.

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I'm sick of Jews, I'm sick of Nazis, I'm sick of SJW's, I'm sick of white guilt, I'm sick of Christians, I'm sick of Muslims, I'm sick of Niggers…the list goes on.

Seems to me the only political movement I support in general is now separatism, that, and being the lord (Absolute Monarch) of my own domain.

World Union of Separatists when? (a world political alliance dedicated to supporting separatist causes)

Honestly I think that the more states there are, the more choice, and ultimately liberty there is. Smaller states are more responsive to their people too.

The idea of a libertarian empire is a contradiction in terms. Universal separatism is now the only solution for humanity to achieve it's potential.

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Question time.

Couldn't a community put a law in place that says you can violate the NAP?

>inb4 the NAP itself can stop this.

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North Korea Story

In South Korea, he also struggled with the concept of freedom, saying he was told constantly that he now had it, but he wasn't sure what it meant. It was only when he was standing in a shop deciding what brand of pen to buy that he understood.

"I tried every pen, it took two hours," he said. "I suddenly thought that this must be freedom, because I can choose a pen that I like."


Pretty good quote about economic freedom

But doesn't this article seem like a poorly thought up propaganda story by the elite? There are lots of incredible coincidences.

Are they lying to us /liberty/?


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Why can't every 150 years there be a forced restart button on laws in government? Sure, stuff like killing, thieving, vandalizing, etc etc. Should be forced the entire time but I all the added laws should be revoked for the next 150 year cycle. This would ensure that the government wouldn't continue to abuse it's power forever, and if they decide to try to keep going on past the cycle; going past the forced law of the government restart, then it's high time for revolution.

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Friendly reminder that "Free Trade", at least what the vast majority of people claim Free Trade is, is actually not free Trade.

Free Trade is the idea that people can trade which each other without goverment coercion either inside a country or across the country with another one.

If you have to make a big trade deal out of this, add to the regulation or replace it with an equal amount and set up courts who deal with the parts you have yet to regulate or if your trade deal is just good old state "capitalism", then you are just using one of few remaining popular (not actually that popular anymore) terms that reference freedom.

Please keep this in mind when arguing with the plebs. People with low, an average IQ and sophists get rather easily confused and hung up on semantics and definitions.

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Seasteading is Happening


>On January 13th, 2017, President Fritch will come to San Francisco from Tahiti to sign a Memorandum of Understanding with us solidifying our agreement to collaborate on developing the first seastead in a lagoon in French Polynesia.

>We are in this position thanks to the thousands of visionaries and dreamers who have become a part of our team over the past eight years. Next year is going to be amazing. It’s also going to require a lot of work.

In light of this news, what does /liberty/ think of steasteading? Is it still an unfeasible pipe dream? Will governments find a way to fuck it up? Or will it pave the path for new ways of thinking for the betterment of mankind?

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is this how liberterianism works?

I go to work, since the investmenst are low my wage sucks, I try to save money so I get better education to find a better job or start my own job?

Also, most of you guys claim public schools are bad, but in USA education system expoliats both middle and lower class.Meanwhile despite being public, in europe education is free and has quality.How do you guys provide counter arguments to it?

t.questioner of everything

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How will a Libertarian society deal with the Bogdanoff twins?

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liberty podcasts

I need good, funny podcasts about liberty to listen to while playing vidya. Also here is a copy of doom because I didn't have any relevant pictures for this post.

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Makes you think…..

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Quote Dump

Last one got purged in the purge dat writing style, so I'm starting another one.

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I just created a thread on leftypol about Marx's labour theory of value.

I … j-just can't. Wtf is this? Everything they say is so completly unimagineably wrong.

They for some reason create this weird thing called value, which is not price and somehow relevent outside exchange. Like somehow goods have a value placed on them that can be determined outside the market or even is relevent outside an exchange.

Plus for some reason the just state that money …. is a fucking expression of labour.


How can they just blankly state that without any clarification?

I feel like that is basically an ideology similar to religion, because they just state these axioms without any proof. They just think it's that way.

Jesus, can anyone help me debunk it, because I am just stuck at the confusion phase.

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Are Libertarians missing the chance to claim victory?

Recently /leftypol/ got me thinking with their celebratory D&C on 4/pol/ and 8/pol/. Trump has pretty clearly shown he is not the leader White Nationalists or le civic nationalists wanted him to be or thought he would be. Think about it for a minute.

>Gay marriage is settled law.

>Reconciled with Rand Paul, plans to audit the Fed and maybe go ahead with putting Ron Paul on the board of governors. If the winds keep blowing this way Rand in 8 years could be viable.

>Is taking on the military industrial complex and their welfare queen status, starting with Air Force One.

>Is repealing Obamacare and a clearly unconstitutional tax on being alive.

>Is gutting the FCC and opposes Net Neutrality.

>Wants to gut the CIA.

>Has promised to appoint strict constitutionalists to the Supreme Court.

>Is challenging false "free trade" deals like NAFTA and MFN for China that are in fact one sided and only punish U.S. as opposed to global businesses.

His infrastructure plan and vague promises of making the military large again are minor quibbles, but this is a pretty damn good start. So I ask you, are they not realizing that in the defeat of White Nationalists we are seeing the return of small government snek handling? This is a pyrrhic victory for Trump haters, small government activists just need to get out there and claim it.

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I agree with Henry Hazlitts "Economics in one Lesson", but i support public education and free college/uni.

>pls no helicopter

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is isis supported by israel/usa? why?

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Universal Basic Income


This is not about the theoretical aspect of UBI, but the practical aspect of it. I would like to discuss the real life suggestions of leftists who propose this policy.

The basic premise is that every single other social benefit would get cut for this. I would like to know if leftists in Europe really mean this or still leave some things open. Like healthcare for example. Or if the European Union would like us to pay this to non-citizens as well, like it does with other social benefits.

Would employees still get taxes secretly through their employer who witholds part of their potential income and pays it to the state for various social benefits, etc?

TLDR: How are the leftists trying to jew us?

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Reminder to read

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AnCom Utopia

>Be upper middle class marxist

>Country goes through anarcho-communist revolution

>The State and private property is abolished and the upper class flee to neighboring countries

>Makes me and my family the new bourgeoisie and lose most of my stuff and our means of production to the commune

>Neighbor loses bakery equipment, land, and staff from his organic pie shop to the commune

>Complaining about this would make me a spook since the commune asserted its ownership through might.

>Local council is made up of everyone.

>Problems arise when everyone has a vote on issues they know nothing about such as agriculture, medicine, and economics

>Everyone is equal and gets what they need

>Nobody is allowed to improve themselves

>The government, I mean commune controls all aspects of life

>Communism realised

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INTP here. What about you guys?

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This is mainly a question to all the minarchists out there. If you belief that there should be a police to protect people from having their lives taken away from them through violence, why should the government intervene to protect life from being taken away through health problems. I'm not suggesting a universal healthcare system like those in Europe but what about some type of voucher system like proposed by Paul Ryan. Thoughts?

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Anarchism Flowchart

Thoughts on links related?



I'd post them directly, but the dimensions are making 8chan go full autism.

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Are we just a /leftypol/ colony, for serious?

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Why is Obama such a retard?

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So exactly how would education work?

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Nuclear Weapons and WMDs

In an ancap society, everything is privately owned. So does that principles apply to nukes, bioweapons, or nanites or whatever. Can McDonalds and Burger King go into a cold war rather than warring against eachother, and one move could mean a nuclear war?

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Who will protect private property when there is no state?

>private security companies

Isn't that just another name for a state?

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>tfw modern republicanism stems all the way from the magna carta

So this has lead me to a question, one of historical thought. Was medieval England considered the most libertarian place in the Western world at the time? Was it, in essence, the medieval version of America at its time?

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Since Hoppe's "physical removal" basically is just an extension of freedom of association i would like to add a new term to the AnCap dictionary, "Violent Revolution".

Basically its where we get every single AnCap/ Minarchist/ Libertarian to just stop performing free market interactions with anyone who doesn't profess are ideology. If we have sufficient concentration in a country we will be able to forcefully overthrow its government without violating the NAP, similar to how the British took over India.

Obviously we would need people to infiltrate positions of power and shit, plus it would be hard to get that many people without being discovered by the government and shut down. But at least we wouldn't have violated the NAP.

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I actually saw Gary Johnson at a grocery store in New Mexico yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen bags of weed in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bags and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

I guess he just figures he can't do whatever he likes now that he lost

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Couldn't find my other thread

I think this is a good way to move things a lot closer to ancap. It doesn't sound that crazy to ordinary right wing people though, and they are usually unable to come up with brilliant arguments against it

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tl;dr I need decent History book recommendations. Any book about any event goes, as long as they're not Marxist.

Hey /liberty/.

In my country, the State has an absolutely firm grip on what is taught on every single school (public or private). We've had leftists in power for some 20+ years, so there's things I wasn't even taught about history when I was in middle/high school; they said some things about Rome, a little bit about the middle ages and then they spent almost two years teaching about the French, Industrial and Russian Revolutions (which I believe were the most relevant to their agenda).

So what I ask you is, what are the best History books do you know? Anything goes really, as long as it isn't full of Marxism. I'm asking this because I want to dive deeper in libertarian theory, but I believe I should solve this flaw in my education first.

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Thoughts on Mutualism

Does anarchist mutualism have a place next to capitalism is or is it just as bad as communism? Should workers have more control over the means of production in a free market?

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The serpent

I really enjoy this flag for one reason or another. Can we just have a small thread about other(serious or not) designs it has?

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IP Discussion

Most consistent libertarians oppose patents. Moreover, there is evidence to suggest that patents "diminish" innovation. But what about copyright? Rothbard defends copyright, while criticizing patents. In "Man, Economy and State", he makes a distinction:

>It is true that a patent and a copyright are both exclusive property rights and it is also true that they are both property rights in innovations. But there is crucial difference in their legal enforcement. If an author or a composer believes his copyright is being infringed, and he takes legal action, he must "prove that the defendant had 'access' to the work allegedly infringed. If the defendant produces something identical with the plaintiff's work by mere chance, there is no infringement.

>Copyrights, in other words, have their basis in the prosecution of implicit theft. The plaintiff must prove that the defendant stole the former's creation by reproducing it and selling it himself in violation of his or someone else's contract with the original seller. But if the defendant independently arrives at the same creation, the plaintiff has no copyright privilege that could prevent the defendant from using and selling his product.

>Patents on the other hand, are completely different. Thus:

>You have patented your invention and you read in the newspaper one day that John Doe, who lives in a city 2,000 miles from your town, has invented an identical or similar device, that he has licensed the EZ company to manufacture it…..Neither Doe nor the EZ company…ever heard of your invention. All believe Doe to be the inventor of a new and original device. They may all be guilty of infringing your patent…the fact that their infringement was in ignorance of the true facts and unintentional will not constitute a defense.

>Patent, then, has nothing to do with implicit theft. It confers an exclusive privilege on the first inventor, and if anyone else should, quite independently, invent the same or similar machine or product, the latter would be debarred by violence from using it in production.


In short, copyrights can be formed by breaking apart property rights through contract; whereas patents cannot. Rothbard's distinction is quite coherent, but it seems to be frequently lost. Discuss.

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So I was finally banned from /pol/ for this. Nazi's can't take the bantz. I'm not even biologically Jewish. My parents just love cut cocks and everything Jewish.

I am now totally in support of liberty or monarchy where I'm king (Isn't that what a land owner is in a libertarian society?.

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How the fuck did this shitty meme start COINTELPRO and how do we make it stop? It shouldn't be a question that it needs to stop. It attracts all the wrong people and makes us look like the fucking commies muh revolution and natsocs muh day of the rope.

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candlemaker's petition (satire)

the government banning Uber and AirBnB because of hotels and cabs (real)


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I'm trying to make OC showing how USA has a uniquely bad corporatist shithole healthcare system, and most private healthcare is okay

But it seems like nowhere has a truly free market system.

If you know any countries more privatised than the ones I have highlighted I can put them on the list

Or if any of these aren't free market enough maybe I should take them off

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What you lads think about Oswald Spengler? I know he is /pol/ approved and some weird kind of socialist but his history cycle seems to be spot on.

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Physical Removal Is Not An Inherently Violent Entity

With all the unironic helicopter memes going around, I think it's important to point out that HHH was not referring to a violent entity when he said physical removal. Hans was referring to the act of, for instance, the ancient Irish who would not trade with criminals or people who didn't follow the rulings of the courts. Physical Removal is pretty much a "we don't like what you're doing in our community so please go away" statement, not an act of violence. At worst, it means people with different beliefs perform the equivalent of white flight and leave cities like Detroit to burn. That is what I'm pretty sure he meant by physical removal, anyways.

Thoughts on what physical removal actually means?

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there is a thread about the worst historical political systems, let's make one about the best historical political systems


the best period of poland

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Book Dump

Not sure when the last one was. I updated my library a bit, though, so why not have another one?

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Whats wrong with using immigrants for cheap labor and why is /pol/ so butthurt when immigrants taking lower wages jobs?

Nobody except Poles or brown people wants to clean toilets.

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Liberal party of turkey.They're strong pro free market.They're secular and believe in the human rights.

They want to privatize all schools and hopstials basically everything.Would this fix Turkeys education problem, and make them economic powerhouse?

Pls no meme answers

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Can you guys explain to me why do you assume that, regarding technology boosting labor productivity, the rate of creation of new jobs must be equal or higher than the rate of destruction of redundant ones? Is it because the contrary would imply that the labor factor would loss value thus making either unemployment rise or wages fall?

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Does trespassing without permission violate the NAP even if no physical damage is done to the property? Why I ask is because I like to bike along farm paths.

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There's a widespread perception that the right wing took power in about 1980, and for the last 40 years the results have been stagnation for the masses, inequality, and economic crises.

I think we should have a thread just about this, because it's quite important to debunk it, if it's not true

If it's not true, why would they still think it was true?

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How would you prevent a government uprising without violating the NAP

In order for a system like this to work wouldn't we all need the capabilities to governor ourselves? I'm pretty sure not a lot of people are capable of doing that. Not in terms of providing resource for themselves, but in terms of education or the mental capacity to think. Couldn't someone with power impose their own thought and ideas on those who are stupid enough to follow them. Hell different regions already consist of different cultures. Who is to say one will not take over the other. Even when a whole group violates the NAP, who is going to stop them without breaking the rule itself? Better yet, can they even stopped? Will people even rise for other individuals rights? Why should they even care about other people in the first place? It's not like they were a direct cause of their problems anyway."If they got taken over then that's their fault not mine". How long will it take before another state pops up. How long will it take for people to realize they could be the next victim of the uprising. Or will it be too late once they do? How long would this society last?

TL;DR version

How is a group of individuals going to protect themselves against a group of power, when they only care about themselves?

How will this Libertarian system work?

A system is only as good as its people, so how do we brings the best out of people?

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In an ancap society, how could the NAP be applied without a state to enforce it?

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Advantages of Feudalism

1. Defence against immigrants somewhat assured

2. Guaranteed defence against invasion by hostiles

3. Landowner can build infrastructure in expectation of higher rents

Clearly the country needs to be bundled up and sold off in a large number of feudal holdings based on a signed contract. These could go to feudal barons, or to corporations.

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Is this an accurate picture of Libertarianism?

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The Truth About Chile's Augusto Pinochet


If you got 40 minutes, take a listen.

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who is the biggest libertarian nut?

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Is Cultural Marxism legit? If so would it have been able to exist without the government. And is the Frankfurt School involved?

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Have you taken the brown pill yet, mateys?

it's a tough pill to swallow! The brown pill was founded in 1999 by Sir Reginald Brownpill, who presents and narrates the attached video.

Forget red and blue pills, brown pills are the way of the future.

Video related. Please leave your questions, comments, and concerns below about this radical new paradigm of thinking!

Swallow the brown pill today! Red pills are for fedora fucking wearing faggots, blue pills are for the ignorant masses. Ignore the other le epin /pol/ maymays, this one is the readl deal.xcvxvxcv

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Could a libertarian revolution happen in the future?

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I've started reading this piece of shit, halfway through now. And the author just talked about wealth inequality. He honestly sounded like he was blaming the free market for AIDS. Motherfucking AIDS. Needless to say, he's a political scientist and philosopher, judging by his biography, not an economist.

I already tried to read a neomarxist book on how to solve the knowledge- and the calculation-problem. That was one of the worst fucking reads of my life. Anyone else have these shitty experiences with leftist literature? Is there some book that you could respect, even if you disagreed with it?

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Anyone actually study economics here? I read this and it is annoying me.

I think he is basically saying that S + T = I + G, but an increase in G doesn't mean I has to go down, since S + T can go up (ie both sides of the equation increase)

But I don't understand the mechanism he's talking about unless he means the increase in GDP increases S and T.

But the increase in GDP hasn't happened yet when the government is borrowing the money– right?

Really hurts my head

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Was it because he was a faggot?

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Kid, let me tell you about the golden age of capitalism.

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meta thread

What happened to the board? Why is the catalog so tiny now?

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Even though it may be the correct thing to do, abandoning the fiat money system in a world that has been running on it for so long would only lead to historic massive bankruptcies that would ignite a an equally massive deflationary spiral. All would end up in chaos, violence and finally a new world war.

If you disagree please state your reasons.

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Ancaps are dumb.

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True Capitalist Radio - New Years Eve Special!


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>"In a true libertarian society homosexuals, muslims, democrats and other such degenerates will be traded as property for slave labour or to be converted to petroleum"

-Hans Herman Hoppe

Doesn't this violate the non-aggression principle?

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Hey /liberty/, and whatever visitors we have.

I've got a friend who told me today that she's addicted to cocaine. Very good friend, she's one of the nicest people I know. She also lives in another country. So I'm looking for some advice here. If anyone's got to offer it. I'd be very thankful for that.

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Does a sophist have to make non-arguments all his life?

Only in Stef's call in show to be BTFO to the skies.

Leftists try to steal my gold…

no voluntary society ever build roads.

In EU borderland raids, they came in their horders, ransacking welfare offices, taking the spoils.

With nothing to lose and possesions few: Brown, muslim, illiterate and cruel!

Defiant of integration on pain of death.

Tough measures call for libertarians to be ruthless.

To set an example to commie, shitibs and establishment devils:

Seduction by those cute white nationalists rebels.

How many times did we venture forth

to reduce the growth of goverment and keep the browns from migrating north?

To subdue those whose hatred was great

against western civilization and citizens of our european states?

Four thousand men migrate every single day

they would not let the border get in their way

five thousand euros per month of welfare consumed

to appease a single "underage" migrant and keep them in the 'hood.

The bloody verdict of Cologne.

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what is the best (most libertarian) economic index?

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Trickle down economics is dumb

At least Stalin managed to invest resources and expand production

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What are countries that have high gun ownership without high rates of crime and murder?

People normally use Switzerland but they aren't allowed bullets.

I thought about Serbia, but is there anything else?

What about places in America with high gun ownership and no murder? I always thought the real problem was probably Negroes

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W-why is Stefan bullying this guy? ;_;


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At what age did you realize neoliberalism was superior?

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are wolves more libertarian than other species? please give me some corelations between species and political ideologies. so far i know that ants are more communistic

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Genuine question

I understand that for you the State is the cause of most of today's problems.

But what is the cause of the State? How did it come into existence in the first place? Why does it still exist? What will keep it from reappearing in "ancapistan"?

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Confused agnostic.

How do I know what god is the true god? Or how do I expel my sins? Do I just confess everything sinful I did to a confessional, or stuff I did after I converted to the religion? What if I forgot sins I've done and thus can't confess them? Believe me I want to believe in a god (I mean I don't want to go to hell, if there is one), but I'd feel I'd be too big of a sinner and would be afraid to confess my sins.

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What does /liberty/ think of pic related? I use it to shutdown economically and geopolitically illiterate /pol/acks but I want to know your honest opinion about financing certain institutions with taxpayer money.

Yes, I'm /leftypol/, but I'm not here to post shitty memes or make fun of you because I know you actually understand your own theory and I agree with you on a lot of issues.

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What was wrong with UPB?

I notice a very good number of people on this board think the book was absolute shit. It appears to have been quite the endeavor but many people found it to be quite unsatisfying. I must ask, what are some gripes that you guys have with it? Is it the way he explains the idea? Is it perhaps the idea itself? Was it a missed opportunity? Is there another piece that does a far better job?

What went wrong?

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A question to ancaps.

Why allow ancommunism under ancapitalism, when they wouldn't allow it if they were in control? Seriously, I just don't get it. I understand you want to be "the big brother" and set an example or not be an authoritarian, but when they hate your guts and want to kill you, well, they're unreasonable people (in the most polite of terms).

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I feel torn about christianity.

On one hand it was basically a proto-communist movement, which success was but a symptom of the decline of the Roman Empire.

It had iconoclast tendencies similar to Islam, destroyed temples, converted them to churches, corrupt knowledge (just look at how they turned Aristoteles observations into dogma, while ignoring his methodology).

I recognize Germanic law (common law) as a big influence in our legal and cultural systems. But I don't know how christianity fits into all this.

Should I as a voluntarist appreciate the role that christianity played in our history? What do you say, /liberty/?

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How does /liberty/ refute?


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What does /liberty/ think of this guy?

Have you read the 23 Things They Don't Tell You?

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i have strong feeling that single men are more freedom-loving than those in relationships. does any of you have any scientific data on it?

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Merry Christmas /liberty/ also remember banning spammers is allowed– they must be physically removed, too, if one is to have a libertarian society

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Why do you hate him?

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is current mainstream economics (keynesism) in a position saying that the more we export the better? is it kinda neomercantilism?

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So in libertarianism, what issue should the government be involved in?

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What is /liberty/'s MBTI type?

>find out here


>answer here


Just for fun :)

Feel free to argue about the personality type of Friedman, Mises, etc. as well.

Yes, I know there is a similar thread already, but this one is to make a comparison between /liberty/ with /pol/ and /leftypol/

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Do we actually need roads or is this just a myth perpetuated by the state to keep us under there leash? Humanity did go without roads for thousands of years?

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Why didn't he support trump?

Isn't building a wall good for the economy?

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>Historically, the closest we've ever had to anarcho-capitalism was the system in which the power of the monarchy was severely limited and largely symbolic; namely, feudalism. The feudal lords were untaxed and enjoyed total power over their domain, which they defended using private armies maintained and largely composed of peasants, managed by vassals in the service of lords. To maintain their holdings that had to defend against other lords, and to expand them they had to conquer the holdings of other lords.

The frequent warring between feudal lords demonstrates that civil war is indeed more common under a decentralised system with no central authority, than a centralised state- a lesson which anarchist libertarians refuse to learn.


Pretty good point, my immediate concern was whether the feudal lord was comparable to somebody in Ancapistan- didn't they have peasant soldiers sworn to them, knights sworn to them, noblemen forced to provide them with armies, etc?

I'm sure there were interior wars during feudalism but who was fighting them? Why was it feudal lords specifically, if not because of the legal system and distribution of state privileges?

Was it the case that any rich person started raising armies to steal land and things? Or was it only those who had peasants sworn to fight for them, monopolies on exploiting land, and armies of knights eager to do their bidding?

But I still think he's making a decent point somehow

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You can't handle all that freedom

Face it, you NEED the state to protect you. You're just one little individual against other little individuals, perhaps scheming against you or them. You need a middle man, you need the state, to ensure that order is maintained.

Prove me wrong, nerds.

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If anarchy was not feasible, what system of government would you prefer to have? Hardmode: No saying "minarchy" without also mentioning some kind of constitutional safeguard.

Picture unrelated.

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Thoughts on the police? The ones I talked to always had an ego the size of the moon but little to justify that. No legal knowledge to speak of, only the very basics that you can learn in two weeks. Some kind of forensic knowledge when you're lucky, although the federal police here in Germany don't even have that. Basic firearms training, basic fitness training… really, all they have are basics. But at least they don't shoot people on a daily basis, I guess, so all is fine. Although we still had cops induce violent, day-long vomiting and diarrhea in a drug dealer, or almost kill a guy after firing at him unannounced, or break into a house unannounced and then act surprised that they were being shot at after clearly being warned that they'd be shot at, or - my favorite - had a handcuffed man in custody spontaneously combust, which was, like, totally an accident!

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Nazis confirmed for Keynesians

>Even more complicated techniques [for credit expansion] were resorted to in many countries. Thus, for instance, the German Reich in the first World War sold bonds to the public. The Reichsbank financed these purchases by lending the greater part of the funds needed to the buyers against the same bonds as collateral. Apart from the fraction which the buyer contributed from his own funds, the roIe that the Bank and the public played in the whoIe transaction was mereiy formal. Virtuaily, the adciitionai banknotes were inconvertible paper money.

Sauce: Human Action, p. 568.

I've heard before that the nazis had such policies, but never knew the exact mechanism. But now I got it. So, no more claiming that the nazis fixed the economy, they clearly adopted policies that would've led to a depression. Or already have, but who blames the monetary policy for a low standard of living when there's a war going on?

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Theoretical Practicability of Ethical Systems

>To be valid, a system of ethics must be theoretically practicable. A system that cannot be applied practically ("it is good to fly by flapping your arms") or that would cause large-scale degeneration or death if it were to be applied (everyone jumps off cliffs and dies) must be discarded.


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Alright, I'm finished screenshotting some quality-threads from the last days, even got some more bonus content out of it. I have my .pdf's and quote pictures and I'm not the only one, so reviving this board will be trivial.

The spammer cannot win. /liberty/ will prevail.

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Is selfless "action" (as defined by Mises) an oxymoron?

What a man does is always aimed at an improvement of his own state of satisfaction. In this sense- and in no other- we are free to use the term selfishness and to emphasize that action is necessarily always selfish. Even an action directly aiming at the improvement of other people's conditions is selfish. The actor considers it as more satisfactory for himself to make other people eat than to eat himself. His uneasiness is caused by the awarenes of the fact that other people are in want. - Mises, Human Action

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If free trade between countries is the best way for nations to thrive then why did the UK first and later the USoA become superpowers only after using protectionism?

Maybe protectionism isn't good or bad per se. It all depends on how can the other competitors use it back on you.

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What is /liberty/'s stance on the following issues?



>intellectual property

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> all the good jobs require higher education

> state involvement is needed so people can afford it

> subsidising demand just pushed the price up higher

> subsidising supply is fraught with problems

> therefore we need public universities controlled and funded by the state, giving education for free

Where do you debunk this Marxist line of reasoning?

Do you have a preference between subsidising demand / subsidising supply / direct state provision?

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Anyone here familiar with the difference between western feudalism/monarchism and oriental despotism? My impression is that the western civilizations during the middle ages were incredibly civilized and advanced for their time, from around 800 AD until the French Revolution. There was no violent expansionism during that time, few major democides that I know of, and science, the arts and philosophy were overall improving, at the very least. The Chinese, on the other hand, saw mass killings with every change of dynasty, the Osmans seemed invasion-happy as fuck, and as for the Japanese… just read Hagakure and Brennu Njal beside each other and tell me which one is more barbaric.

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Answers Thread

We should make a copypasta thread for high speed shilling on anime image boards

>what about monopolies?

>won't the warlords take over?

>who will build the roads?

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You can spam all you want, you're still these guys.

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So, who's behind the spam? Anyone have an idea?

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How does the free market stop monopolies?

If monopolies can't be broken up by new nascent companies, then the whole point of capitalism is moot. And companies are keen to undercut other nascent companies, since it means competition which means they would lose business.

How do you solve this problem?

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>talked to some democraps today about politics

>they literally told me free market capotalism wont work because of human nature

Jesus fucking christ maybe leftypol does have a point after all

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GamerGate in hindsight

To start this off: I picked the book mentioned in the subject up a while ago, and I'm kinda underwhelmed. It's not exactly a systematic treatise. Sommers doesn't throw many truth-bombs in it either, she mostly just gives evidence to support the thesis that gender studies are worthless, but if you've already accepted that idea, then it doesn't teach you anything new. I'm not finished yet, that's just my impression. Still, as far as I can tell, this women got a lot more good press and publicity over GamerGate than she deserves on her merits.

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Ancap Border Control- Two Ideas

>"if only towns and villages could and would do what they did as a matter of course until well into the nineteenth century in Europe and the United States: to post signs regarding entrance requirements to the town… (no beggars, bums, or homeless, but also no Moslems, Hindus, Jews, Catholics, etc)… to expel as trespassers those who do not fulfill these requirements"

I never knew about THAT.

There could be a private court in the town which rules it illegal for Mexicans to be there, couldn't there? That would have the same effect. What's the Mexican going to do if he doesn't like it?

My other idea is a sign saying 'Turn back, Spic, we don't want you and won't serve you!' and then a list of all the businesses that refuse to serve Spics.

It's normally illogical for anybody to discriminate against anybody else.

But suppose there would be a boycott of people who wouldn't sign up to the pledge to not serve the Mexicans.

It would still be irrational for anybody to boycott the stores.

But maybe enough people could make themselves do it for that system to work.

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Why are CEOs seen as "perfect"?

A general question to this board.

Why do you see people holding power as completely objective? A lot of company owners have made decisions which are unambiguously disadvantageous to their corporation.

For example, digital media gets increased sales when they are allowed to be pirated as people are more willing to buy it, and this distinctly shows in the market.

Why do they still spend millions lobbying the government if its a loss for both parties? Can you answer me that? Is it a glorified suicide? Is it just the rich corporations trying to solidify their power?

I had more examples but I forgot them, give me a day or less

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>Broke new ground in all these fields

>Liked violent action movies

>BTFO'd leftists on a regular basis

>Fucked Rand, then left her (metaphorically)

>Associated Mises' name with anarchokiddies, still considered by Mises to be his greatest student

>Major influence on Hoppe, Woods, Nozick, Rockwell and countless others

>Revived natural rights ethics

>Wasn't a flamboyant degenerate (looking at you, Keynes)

>Didn't let his family starve to death (looking at you, Marx)

>Mostly ignored by academics, still influential to this day despite being dead

If you don't think this man is based, then there's gotta be something wrong with you.

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What does /liberty think of Thatcher?

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Economic Schools

What are the major economic schools to learn about, anons?





What else?

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Made this thread to talk about these people, so we can better understand them and their special needs. I think I observed that they are obsessed with being popular. Whenever I talked to natsocs (not just now, but he reminded me of this), they make a big deal out of no one liking libertarianism, and how they got a presidential candidate now toppest of lels. They don't just strive for relevancy, they see it as the only thing worthwhile.

Talk of their ideology is also welcome, I guess, but there doesn't seem very much to it. No economic program whatsoever, and all other policies are evaluated by how aesthetically pleasing they are.

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>Seasonal reminder that very soon you'll be able to say "Merry Christmas" once again without feeling awkward or afraid, and will be able to go on living like a normal American instead of the denizen of a living nightmare

I just wanted to take a moment and thank you guys for not actually voting for Johnson and allowing this country to have some chance for a future. Merry Christmas /liberty/!