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Welcome to /liberty/!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!

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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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How can you be libertarian after this?

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what other boards do you lurk?

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Dead board but whatever.

I worked on Rand Paul's and Gary Johnson's campaign. AMA.

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who is the weirdest ancap?

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Yellow Jackets

Is France going to have a revolution?

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Liberty & Environmentalism

After watching this Varg's video, I agree him on the ship & air shipping, we should buy stuff that are made domestic in order to limit sea & air shipping to reduce pollution.

In fact, "free trade" that utilizes sea containers & air ship should be banned, just for the environment sake.

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/liberty/ btfo

why do you follow an ideology made by Jews for their own benefit

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NAP is about denying responsibility

>When someone gets assaulted and you witness it without doing anything, you are partly responsible

>When someone is starving and you don't give him food, you are partly responsible of his death.

>When someone is homeless and you own empty apartments for rent, you are partly responsible of his condition.

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Libertarian media

Let's talk about fun Libertarian media, movies, video games, anime, music, anything that comes to mind. That goes for media that are actually libertarian in nature as well as those who simply have the themes of freedom in them.

>C: The money of soul and possibility control

An autistic battle-shounen themed around economics and taking the Austrian side of the debate.

>Outlaw Star

Not really Libertarian in the traditional sense of the word but has themes of freedom in it. The main characters are basically a bunch of adventurers that do not consider themselves to be under the jurisdiction of any law and follow the ideology of "Outlaws". They are not criminals mind you, just people who do not believe in the state having power over them.

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The Industrial Revolution, a mistake?

Was he right?

>industrial revolution happens

>millions of people lose their jobs

>communism enslaves half the world

>people work soulless 9-to-5 jobs in factories

>people lose their touch with reality and nature

>spiritually degraded and physically weak society


>people yet again face possibility of losing their jobs due to automation

What do we do when robots inevitably take over our McJobs which will make so many more people misplaced it will make the industrial revolution look like a joke.

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"you" in english is both plural and singular

"ty" in polish is "you" singular

"wy" in polish is "you" plural

in the past when poland was soviet, people were expected and forced to refer to other individuals by "you plural"-"wy"

so taking this and only this into account we can infer that polish culture is more individualistic than anglo culture


german and spanish are also more individualistic than anglo

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Were Jews Responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution?

Toughts on this?, as background for this guy, he has a loot of content about WW2 but its not limited to military history, he speaks a loot about economic policies and political history (also has other videos about miscellaneous history topics). also he has jewish blood (not jewish tough).

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Is MSM still around because it is being heavily subsidized by the U.S. govt?

What would it take to make some of them go bankrupt?

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Rate my interaction with a confirmed lefty schizo heh


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How do ancaps deal with economic globalization or free trade taking jobs away? or do you not deal with it?

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How are open borders and companies who import cheap foreign labor dealt with? How do you prevent everyone from just flooding into ancapistan?

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Where are the limits of property?

Come on you lazy niggers, let's solve this question once and for all.

Is only what you produce your property?

What about the air/bodies of water?

Can land be property?

What is the minimum amount of labour required to homestead a plot of land? Does homesteading give you the right to dictate the use of said land in perpetuity?

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in d*mocracy political parties DO have incentive to take care of future, unlike hoppe says, because they want to be elected once again

prove me wrong

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Northwest Front

If a national socialist country was "smaller government" than the US, would you move there?

Would you fight for it?

Alternatively, would it be worth compromising my libertarian sensibilities to allow my children to live among my race?

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hoppe thread

is he an atheist?

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Can we win against apoplithorismosphobia? Will we ever win the intellectual battle against monetary inflation? Will there ever be a country that will return to the gold standard?

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Know Your Meme User ImperatorZor Completely Debunks and Shits All Over Ancaps

The Anarcho-Capitalist expresses his opinion that Taxation is theft on the internet. The internet goes back to a DARPA project paid for with taxpayer money.

The Anarcho-Capitalist expresses his opinion that Taxation is theft using a computer. Computers go back to ENIAC, the first electronic general purpose computer made in 1945. Further R&D programs pushed along computer technology. All of which paid for with taxpayer money.

The Anarcho-Capitalist expresses his opinion that Taxation is theft using written language. Written language was contrived by Mesopotamian bureaucrats some 5,500 years ago to keep track of tax income and said income paid to workers and artisans on various projects. Among them the maintenance and expansion of the irrigation systems which made the Mesopotamian city states possible.



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How could you still be libertarian after this?

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Reply to Archive Threads - General Autism Thread

>Because the smaller ones have been either absorbed or out-competed

If so, we would have no small firms.

>There are many businesses in the U.S. that don't even have employees, which skews the numbers.

Non-sequitur as it has nothing to do with my argument. The fact that most businesses are small that even the self-employed can compete with large firms. These small firms employ almost half the private US workforce.

>In addition, companies often have an incentive to shift towards using independent contractors making themselves appear smaller than they actually are

There is a stronger incentive to hire full-time employees, as agencies and interviews can be costly. Otherwise the majority of the workforce would not be full-time. This is a moot point anyway since flexibility of contract work itself means they do not rely on any one firm regardless of size.

>Why would anyone take the risk of doing that especially if you're a small business owner near retirement age who has probably been working in the same industry for years with (likely) little expertise to invest in something new?

Your do not need expertise. A broad market index like the S&P returns 10% and lhas lower risk than operating a business. If they want to go virtually risk-free, there is the bond market.

>Maybe because the owner of capital can choose or not choose to employ his capital without starving while wage earners and the self-employed must work to eat?

An owner of capital is not a monopsony. Owners cannot choose to utilize capital freely without incurring risk and are limited by what the labor market can supply. Capitalists have to work to eat too.

>I'd need to see a source on those statistics.



>Taking numbers out of context means nothing

How is it taken out of context? If there is an increase in wage dependency, there should be a decrease in other areas of revenue sources such as housing and stocks.

>What you're saying hasn't been true in the U.S. for decades.

Proof? Are you including total compensation including benefits?

>You're making the assumption that decreased consumption is a result of change in spending habits or increased savings, which is not necessarily the case nor is it the driving factor in the U.S. today.

There is no assumption. All else equal, less expenditure = more savings. The only factor contrary to this trend would be a decrease of real income.

>Could be lack of job opportunities, rising cost of entry into the labor market, or debt.

And how are these all causes of capitalism? All three have state influence.

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The 8chan Cup 4

GREETINGS /liberty/

The 4th edition of the 8chan Cup is fast approaching. First kickoff is set for January 4th, 2019 at 08:00PM UTC and your board is a part of it. The Cup will be a 32 team tournament, first with a group stage followed by the 16 team Knockout Round, all to determine a champion board of the site. The 3rd editon of the Cup saw the debut of 15 different boards, all of which are returning to shoot for glory once again, amongst revived boards and a few new ones as well. The Cup is being defended by >>>/christian/, who grinded out a 1-0 victory in the Finals over newcomers >>>/ita/. Eternal powerhouse >>>/bane/ managed to claim 3rd place over >>>/strek/ by stopping the Trekkies potent offense and pouring on four goals of their own. For a full breakdown of the 2018 Summer Cup, please take a look at the wiki http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/wiki/The_8chan_Cup

In 2019, your board has been drawn into Group F, with /gts/, /v/, and /co/. Please use this thread for pre-tournament hype and also any MINOR tweaks that may need to be made.

For the full wiki: http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/

For the stream: https://cytu.be/r/8cup

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I've seen many people bashing the horseshoe theory but never seen a reason why.

It makes sense, from the government perspective and the economic perspective.

Is it just commies and nazis that get triggered because it exposes them for the authoritarian statists that they are?

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how do we create galt's gulch in real life by attracting the rich people out of all other countries and collapsing them?

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Which is the most effective means to usher in a voluntary society in the long run?

The methods I've seen on /liberty/ so far are:

>Working within the state to enact reforms, educating the masses, and/or peaceful demonstrations

>Libertarian homesteading on sea/space/terra nullius

>Participating in the black/gray market to undermine state control of the economy

>Bunkering down with ample supplies and ammo and waiting for government to collapse

>Armed struggle followed by a temporary regime to purge collectivism and reorient society along voluntary lines

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Most important development for /liberty/ is a long time nya~

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Debt Ceiling

With how the non-debates are going over the Wall with Trump and the new Congress, and each side blaming the other for the gridlock, isn't the same going to happen in a few months over the debt ceiling debate? What stops the debt ceiling debate turning into, "The Dems aren't providing a solution"/"Trump isn't playing ball and being a bully again?"

Isn't there a really high likelihood that the gridlock will cause the U.S. government to fall into default? What will happen if the U.S. defaults?

Pic related: they're my true feelings.

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>loving freedom

top jej

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We should become socialists

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the liberty of those who don't want it?

In the end a decently informed libertarian knows more about socialism than socialists themselves, but unlike socialists he also knows about capitalism too. This means that you, as a libertarian, can easily become a big defender and promoter of socialism.

Then with all those books/speaking/tv royalties/politics money, you can buy whatever you want, maybe even some land somewhere where you can build a libertarian utopia, if you still believe in it. But why buying land? You could just use your influence in the State to wage war and conquer lands for yourself. Or buy some cocaine and some prostitutes, who cares? Just enjoy the fruit of those cucks who want you to rule over them.

Honestly, it's a complete waste of time trying to let people know about the advantages and the morality of liberty. These people refuse liberty for themselves and others. Marx and associates gave us an exceptional tool to pilot the masses to work for our personal interests. Voluntary slavery. Think about it: if you were to cause suffering among the people with your socialist policies, it would be their choice. You would basically make socialist suffer while you run all the way to the (swiss) bank with their money. It's them who decided to vote for you, after you promised to put their neighboors down in order to make them all equal. They wanted evil, you just capitalized on it.

Of course there will be some innocent victims, but who really cares? It's nothing compared to the enormous amount of statists that will suffer. You will make them poor slowly, day after day. A taste of their own medicine.

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna join the local social-democratic party today.

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why is greece bankrupt?

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do you have any ancap waifu?

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Confiscation and the Homestead Principle


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Let's have a thread dedicated to our friends from /pol/. Let's put their shame on full display. Let's remind everyone that the angsty fascist who calls you a kike on the internet is actually a pathetic cuck who faps to his girls getting fucked by niggers.

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it's been 3 weeks and the government's still shut down

please reopen it

t. chuck and nancy

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Did it really exist? Were they proto-/ourguys/?


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Libertarians live in imaginary ivory towers

If tomorrow were held an election where the communist party would face a party in favor of the free market and private property but not perfectly libertarian, most of libertarians would stay home in order to remain "pure".

Libertarians are a bunch of cucks. They can't do any significant political action, they don't have the courage to support initiatives that can further freedom in the non-free world we live in. They would rather face communism than making a choice with some consequences for once in their life.

That's why I find libertarians disgusting. At least commies move their ass even if it means supporting iniatives that aren't perfectly communistic. Instead libertarians will sperg at anyone that proposes something that can have a positive impact on our societies now.

You are shit.

Fuck you.

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what dont you like in the burgerland?

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was his transformation as good as kelthuzzar says?

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Defeating the state by its overinflation

How about we for example support the lefties in the "give everyone money"-welfare in order to collapse the state's monetary system. It's obviously way more realistic than big Ls who actually think they can do shit except stripping. Also, we don't really want a smaller state. A smaller state is a healthier state, and is thus more viable through time than a large one. For the state to disappear, I think its system should become so authoritarian that the whole population of Normandie would stop following it due to its ridiculous expections.

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Ancaps are literally the goblins

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Sweden: Lessons for America

history about the Liberal history of Sweden and dispelling the Berniebro memes about the country

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i fucking love based korwin


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I'm so sick of taxes and niggers.

Our ancestors revolved and kicked ass because of some pissant tea tax. Now look at us and the yawning abyss we used to call our asshole.

I'm so fucking goddamn sick of niggers and taxes.

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who was in wrong here?

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This is what happens when there are no laws protecting rights. Wholesale slaughter and abuse for the bottom line. The modicum of "humane" practice even bothered is entirely due to government regulations and would be absent in the ancap free market. Now imagine a scenario where no laws protect humans. This is what will happen to workers in an ancap society, free of the protection of the state. This is the future of you misled idiots, you are not going to be the elite. The state is absolutely critical for civilization, every case where ancap ideals are simulated ends in disaster.

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the alt-retard threat

How do we un-brainwash nu-/pol/faggots?

/liberty/ is pretty much the continuation of the real 4chan /pol/ before it got nuked and cucked by m00t.

/pol/ here on 8ch AKA nu/pol/ is a cancerous cesspit of literal LARPing neo-nazis and actual white supremacists (strange how these words have lost their meaning because commies blame everyone on being a nazi). How do we combat the incessant stormfaggotry? /pol/ leak and hijack other boards, /v/ is already full of stormfaggots and the mods actively ban conservative posters.

When we take back our country, leftist commie marxists will be thrown out of helicopters, but what do we do with the equally retarded morons on the alt-right?

Educate or Execute?

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does intention of breaking NAP make action illegal? or does result of breaking NAP make something illegal? you know, similar suffering patterns in neuroactivity are seen both in real suffering (harm done to tissue) and mental suffering (hate-speach). if we cannot use self-report or brain imaging to determine whether NAP was broken- what criteria to use? inb4 market will decide and judges will decide- then market decided that taxation don't break nap

moreover hate-speech can give people mental disease

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Recession Predictions


How the flying fuck do bond rates go below the FED funds rate? In what universe does that make sense?

How bad is this recession going to be this time, /liberty/?

Also, what should I do to prepare?

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Public Housing

How does Vienna manage to have a decent public housing program? Apparently, the city also ranks #1 in Mercer's Quality of Life.


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Mirror from /v/:


>The IGDA (International Game Developers Association) on December 31, 2018, pushed new details regarding CVAA (21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act 2010). The high level CVAA will require any communications functionality and any UI used to be compliant and suitable for those with a wide range of conditions.

>Failure to comply will allow complaints to be made to the FCC and possible fines.

>Starting from January 1, 2019, games launched in the US must ensure they are accessible to people with disabilities. Here is some more information taken from the IGDA website regarding how games are affected based on their development progress.

>“The criteria must be considered from early in development, and people with disabilities must be involved in some capacity in the design or testing process.”

>Should the game not meet the standards and fail to comply, it will lead to customer complaints being issued to the FCC. From there the FCC will mediate and look into efforts made to fix the issues, and how feasible it would be to fix. The customer can also choose to extend the period of time the FCC allows for the fixes to be implemented, however, if the customer chooses not to extend the period of mediation, substantial fines may be issued.

>(b) Accessible – The term accessible shall mean that:

>(i) Operable without vision. Provide at least one mode that does not require user vision.

>(ii) Operable with low vision and limited or no hearing. Provide at least one mode that permits operation by users with visual acuity between 20/70 and 20/200, without relying on audio output.

>(iii) Operable with little or no color perception. Provide at least one mode that does not require user color perception.

>(iv) Operable without hearing. Provide at least one mode that does not require user auditory perception.

>(v) Operable with limited manual dexterity. Provide at least one mode that does not require user fine motor control or simultaneous actions.

>(vi) Operable with limited reach and strength. Provide at least one mode that is operable with user limited reach and strength.

>(vii) Operable with a Prosthetic Device. Controls shall be operable without requiring body contact or close body proximity.

>(viii) Operable without time dependent controls. Provide at least one mode that does not require a response time or allows response time to be by passed or adjusted by the user over a wide range.

>(ix) Operable without speech. Provide at least one mode that does not require user speech.

>(x) Operable with limited cognitive skills. Provide at least one mode that minimizes the cognitive, memory, language, and learning skills required of the user.

Another fine example of government protecting the most vulnerable among us; that is, AAA companies with enough resources to implement compliance, pay fines for not complying, or pay for approval.

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Is there a cryptocurrency with a value based on some timeless desire of humanity like its lust for gold?

pic unrelated.

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How French “Intellectuals” Ruined the West: Pozzmodernism and Its Impact, Explained

Pozzmodernism presents a threat not only to liberal democracy but to modernity itself. That may sound like a bold or even hyperbolic claim, but the reality is that the cluster of ideas and values at the root of Pozzmodernism have broken the bounds of academia and gained great cultural power in western society. The irrational and identitarian “symptoms” of Pozzmodernism are easily recognizable and much criticized, but the ethos underlying them is not well understood. This is partly because Pozzmodernists rarely explain themselves clearly and partly because of the inherent contradictions and inconsistencies of a way of thought which denies a stable reality or reliable knowledge to exist. However, there are consistent ideas at the root of Pozzmodernism and understanding them is essential if we intend to counter them. They underlie the problems we see today in Social Justice Activism, undermine the credibility of the Left and threaten to return us to an irrational and tribal “pre-modern” culture.

Pozzmodernism, most simply, is an artistic and philosophical movement which began in France in the 1960s and produced bewildering art and even more bewildering “theory.” It drew on avant-garde and surrealist art and earlier philosophical ideas, particularly those of Nietzsche and Heidegger, for its anti-realism and rejection of the concept of the unified and coherent individual. It reacted against the liberal humanism of the modernist artistic and intellectual movements, which its proponents saw as naïvely universalizing a western, middle-class and male experience.

It rejected philosophy which valued ethics, reason and clarity with the same accusation. Structuralism, a movement which (often over-confidently) attempted to analyze human culture and psychology according to consistent structures of relationships, came under attack. Marxism, with its understanding of society through class and economic structures was regarded as equally rigid and simplistic. Above all, Pozzmodernists attacked science and its goal of attaining objective knowledge about a reality which exists independently of human perceptions which they saw as merely another form of constructed ideology dominated by bourgeois, western assumptions. Decidedly left-wing, Pozzmodernism had both a nihilistic and a revolutionary ethos which resonated with a post-war, post-empire zeitgeist in the West. As Pozzmodernism continued to develop and diversify, its initially stronger nihilistic deconstructive phase became secondary (but still fundamental) to its revolutionary “identity politics” phase.

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You Can’t Make an Alternative to Patreon Because Banks Won’t Allow It - Andrew Anglin & Weev


>There is no way to create an alternative funding platform, because everything is a private company. I think that probably Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson can create something that they will be allowed to operate – probably without PayPal, but with some bank doing credit card processing. And Sargon of Akkad will be allowed on that. For now, that will be allowed. Because I think that some people realize that this whole “shut it down” program is going way, way too fast. Eventually, it won’t just be PayPal that is shutting people down, it will be all banks and Visa itself. Because banks and Visa have the ability, technically, to deny people service based on their political ideology.

Couldn't there be a Patreon alternative that solely uses cryptocurrencies instead of credit cards?

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Have a Murray Christmas, /liberty/!

And a Hoppe New Year

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Actual Libertarian Happenings

The U.S. has left Syria.


The U.S. has left Afghanistan.


The U.S. has left Yemen.


The U.S. has legalized industrial hemp.


Finally, some things to fucking celebrate. If they stay that way, hopefully.

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the future of troll face

looks like the internets favorite grinning avatar is coming of age.

but where do we go from here?

by the way, the model can be found here.



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Liberty BTFO

<JC Denton: Despite all I’ve read about the Triads, I wasn’t prepared to see them operating in the open, on the streets, and wearing uniforms. Doesn’t the Chinese government care?

>Isaac: The Chinese leave Hong Kong alone. They barricade the roads to control trade to the mainland, but they know how business is done."

<JC Denton: I would think the secret smuggling operations of the Triads would disturb the Chinese government.

>Isaac: Maybe the Luminous Path, but China knows that the Red Arrow are business owners, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and that they protect the city from outside influences.

<JC Denton: You said 'outside influences.' What does China fear?

>Isaac: China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing - unlike U.N.-governed countries - to give its people the freedom to do what they want.

<JC Denton: As long as they don’t break the law.

>Isaac: Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power.

<JC Denton: Our governments have limited power by design.

>Isaac: Rhetoric–and you believe it! Don’t you know where those slogans come from?

<JC Denton: I give up.

>Isaac: Well-paid researchers - how do you say it? - 'think tanks,' funded by big businesses. What is that? A 'think tank'?

<JC Denton: Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier.

>Isaac: It’s privately-funded propaganda. The Trilateral Commission in the United States for instance.

<JC Denton: The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength.

>Isaac: A system organized around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce these same qualities in its leaders.

<JC Denton: Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.

>Isaac: The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization.

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*tink tink tink tink*








Thank you, that will be all

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Payment Network Cartels

Worldwide Halawa Network when?

No, but seriously, what the hell is the solution here /liberty/?

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Anarcho Capitalism Through Agorism

Since agorism believes in peaceful revolution via black markets, why don't we all just create more dCommerce businesses (ecommerce but with cryptos) so that we can influence other to to the same by coming up with more free market solutions thus kickstarting competition? That way, since every dCommerce business is using cryptos, the governments won't be able to tax us or regulate us so that means that they're going to collapse since they have no power.

This is why politicians are scared of crypto. This is literally how ancapistan will start. All we have to do is get people to start cultivation businesses with crypto. Let's leave the U.S Dollar behind in exchange for something of greater value.

Useful links:





If you want to find a niche to start your business on, then now's the time.

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Ancap is not anarchism nor capitalism. It's literally communism, you just trade goverment for corporations.

ancap is just communism with better memes, just like ancaps are commies with more melanin.

prove me wrong. As in actual proof, no maymays or adhominen or other gay shit

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Why can't leftards ever agree on what counts as Socialist?

Social Dems call themselves socialist, tankies call themselves socialist, anarchists call themselves socialist, and /pol/acks call themselves socialist. It's kind of a big flaw in that ideology in that no one can decide who or what counts as that ideology

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OC dump thread

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism

Hey /liberty/, I'm having trouble figuring out a concept in Hoppe's book.

>Now assume that aggressively founded ownership is introduced.

Whereas before every person was the exclusive owner of his body

and could decide on his own whether to become a drunk or a philosopher, now a system is established in which a person’s right to

determine how to use his body is curtailed or completely eliminated, and instead, this right is partly or fully delegated to another

person who is not naturally linked to the respective body as its producer. What would be the consequence of this? The abolition of

private ownership of one’s body can be far-reaching: the nonproducers can have the right to determine all of the uses of “my” body

all of the time, or their right to do so can be restricted with respect

to time and/or domains, and these restrictions again can be flexible

(with the nonproducers having the right to change the restrictive

definitions according to their own taste) or fixed once and for all,

and so the effects can, of course, be more or less drastic! But whatever the degree, socialization of ownership always, and necessarily

so, produces two types of effects. The first effect, “economic” in the

narrower sense of the term, is a reduction in the amount of investment in human capital as defined above. The natural owner of a

body cannot help but make decisions regarding that body as long

as he does not commit suicide and decides to stay alive, however

restricted his ownership rights might be. But since he can no longer decide on his own, undisturbed by others, to what uses to put

his body, the value attached to it by him is now lower; the wanted

satisfaction, the psychic income, that is to say, which he can derive

from his body by putting it to certain uses is reduced because the

range of options available to him has been limited. But then, with

every action necessarily implying costs (as explained above), and

with a given inclination to overcome costs in exchange for expected

rewards or profits, the natural owner is faced with a situation in

which the costs of action must be reduced in order to bring them

back in line with the reduced expected income. In the Garden of

On a critical assessment of the term “human capital,” in particular of the absurd

treatment that this concept has had at the hands of some Chicago-economists (notably G. Becker, Human Capital, New York, 1975), cf. A. Rubner, The Three Sacred

Cows of Economics, New York, 1970.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe 27

Eden, there is only one way left to do this: by shortening the waiting time, reducing the disutility of waiting, and choosing a course

of action that promises earlier returns. Thus, the introduction of

aggressively founded ownership leads to a tendency to reduce

investment decisions and favors consumption decisions. Put drastically, it leads to a tendency to turn philosophers into drunks.

Now I can see how the net satisfaction that one can derive from one's body would be reduced if he does not have exclusive ownership of it, but I don't see how it would make him favour consumption decisions over investment decisions. Because let's say that someone else can choose what ends he can put his body towards for 30% of the time, surely the remaining 60% of his time he is free to put his body to the ends that he wants and derive full satisfaction from them? Thoughts?

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Paul Cockbutt's Labor Time Economy

Oh boy, time to take a look at the latest alt-left pseud, Paul Cockshott and his video "Getting Down to the Details"

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk )

>"we'll leave 'the Shops' out for simplicity's sake in our 5-point diagram [but we'll use the 'millions' denomination to sound like we can relate this to a real population lol]"

>at the moment I'm ignoring the flow of goods to schools and hospitals

<Video is called "Getting Down to the Details" but he doesn't hesitate to gloss over things that are inconvenient for him to explain, even in theory

>"the Factories"

<Cockbutt establishes in the comments section that even the production and pricing of specific commodities like sugar beets should be mandated and thoroughly controlled based "on science" so it begs the question of "what factories" will be allowed to exist to begin with, how many factories there will be, how many people they will individually employ, what types of workers will be employed there and what these workers will earn-as well as whether these workers will have chosen to work there or had been appointed. This is the kind of thing you'd expect to be touched upon from a video entitled "Getting Down to the Details".

>Cockbutt says in the comments that: "if you work harder you get paid more"

<allowing a company to subjectively pay individual employees more or less based on individual performance is allowing these workers to acquire disproportionate capital relative their peers and maybe even start selling things at a profit in "labor time credits". This isn't far-removed from status quo "capitalism" where workers are paid a wage based on factors both objective and subjective.

<Will a surgeon earn the same as a teacher or a trashman, what about other "public servants"? Don't expect an answer here. There are 821 different types of "Job" in the United States currently, I'd hate to be the guy that has to apportion out the duties and dues of all of them on an individual basis.

>"income tax is canceled out"

<Cockbutt doesn't attempt to tell us how many people are working in "the Factories" as opposed to "the Hospitals" and "etc." but he does know that "the Factories" will need four of something and "the Hospitals" "etc." will need two of something. Well actually the income tax is just assumed to be discarded and everything that isn't from "a Shop" from the "Hospitals, etc." is thus made free*

>Cockbutt claims in the comments that "China is 40% socialist"

<even though it has lower real public sector employment and taxes than the average OECD country, 4 million new independent businesses being created on a yearly basis and has unaudited livestream girls raking in thousands of petrodollars weekly (as this butthurt, decadent western roast beast can attest: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-weird-and-disturbing-world-of-chinese-livestreamers )], to put simply, China's current year economy (as opposed to its culture) is wholly conventional and its successes or failures can't be claimed by "socialism".

>Cockbutt claims in the comments that if you're not independently wealthy in a capitalist society you go hungry and starve, but in the U.S. and Britain it has been repeatedly shown that poor and unemployed people are much more likely to be obese than employed and wealthy people which is a complete contradiction.

Would you trust your society to commissar Cockbutt, anon?

* = in exchange for discarding 33% of your non-circulating labor time credits into "a bin"

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How is it that if a company will allow its employees to do whatever they want, the company will fail, but when the state allows people to have more freedom it leads to greater prosperity?

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New Zealand Decriminalizes All (non-synth) Drugs



>New Zealand is experiencing a surge of synthetic drug overdoses—but in response, the government has introduced a series of reform policies that include treating possession and consumption as public health issues while increasing enforcement against synthetic drug suppliers.

>Officials are also weighing the potential “full decriminalisation of drugs.”

>Certain synthetic substances believed to have caused recent overdoses will now be more strictly scheduled under the country’s drug laws, which will expand the search and seizure authority of law enforcement.

>But the government is also amending its Misuse of Drugs Act to specify that police “should not prosecute for possession and personal use where a therapeutic approach would be more beneficial, or there is no public interest in a prosecution.”

>The reform policies represent an immediate response, but government leaders also said that formal decriminalization, as recommended earlier this month by the New Zealand Mental Health and Addiction Inquiry, is still under consideration.

>In the meantime, new funds will be used to enhance addiction treatment centers, especially in regions where there’s a spike in overdoses.

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Will I get Tomoko in communism?

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Ok, so ITT: /liberty/ describes their ideal marriage partner/waifu.

What's it gonna be? Trad thots? Modern sluts? 2D only? Non-whites? Traps? How high are your standards? What would you absolutely not want to see in a woman? Would you date a commie? Would you date someone with piercings/tattooes? Would you date someone who drinks/smokes? What else?

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Whoa guys 8chan is so cool I <3 it so much

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Is handing out cash money to citizens in developing countries really a better idea than building infrastructure through humanitarian organizations?


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Explain this /liberty/

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What do we do about censorship of Free Speech by Silicon Valley Oligarchs?

I feel we should consider our potential options for combating this issue, such as organizing formal respectable protesting online/offline or aggregating pro-free-speech anti-censorship links that would be useful.

Resources or ideas?

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how can i falsify labour theory of value? is it doable? what about theories of ASE?

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Unsophisticated Libertarian neophyte and/or neocon ideologue:

>They're just doing the jobs americans won't do and have never done for less money, you have no right to complain goy-er…guy! If you wanted to keep your job you should have sent your family to live in [tenuously communist non-descript South American shithole] and illegally squat in a two bedroom home in texas yourself with 40 of your friends. It's "logistically impossible" for you to accept the wages we're paying our build-a-beans you say? Nonsense, you're just lazy!

Drooling idiot "leftist":

>These poor brown people are traveling thousands of miles and risking their lives to get here for some mysterious reason but they're actually the real victims because they don't make a lot of money by our standards what are currency exchange rates oh god I'm so fucking retarded durr

when will these equally stupid memes die?

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How do you think the gameplay of an ancap strategy game would ideally work?

For the story, I have two things in mind:

>1. You inherit a business empire, and have to get a monopoly on the whole market while trying to out-compete rival business groups and survive the growing power of the state as well as various anti-capitalist factions

>2. You are a multi-millionaire who is sick of liberal totalitarianism and leftism interfering with your life and the lives of your fellow countrymen, so you decide to take your fortune to some unoccupied territory and build a capitalist utopia with other like-minded businessmen while competing with their businesses, and fighting off aggressive states who are unhappy with the amount of freedom that you and your fellow ancaps (or not) enjoy

In ordinary RTSs, you just throw resources at the barracks to shit out soldiers, which go and secure more resources to enable you to shit out even more soldiers, and it's basically a contest between players of who can do this the fastest. No game (not even city-sims) ever takes the market into account, where you have:

>a realistic economy

>citizens having their own lives

>citizens having their own wants and needs

>citizens earning their own money

>citizens spending their own money

>citizens building the villages, towns and cities that you're supposedly trying to protect, and being responsible for all the progress in their part of the game world

>the player being a citizen like everyone else, who can take part in the market and influence it with what power he has (or if playing as the government, having society react appropriately to government laws/actions and looking work solutions and work-arounds to the problems that government creates)

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Libertarian board game

I think we need to alter the gameplay of the existing monopoly board game and make it lining towards to the concept of libertarian like free market, which are much more realistic in the real world of capitalism without government. What kind of additional feature would you prefer to have in the board game? Also, state your new replacement title name of the board game since "monopoly" is not a free market ideal for the game.

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When ancap wins and destroy the goverment, thus throwing the land into anarchy, this is how My city is gonna look like! There will be only fascists in there. I will lead parties to raid libertarian and ancom settlements to take their shit and rape their women.

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Anarchy in ancapism

Assess this statement:

Anarcho-capitalism isn't an abolition of government, it's an abolition of the state. The point is to put the power to government entirely on individuals.

It seems like most casual conservatives consider the spectrum in terms of "more government" (left) and "less government" (right). I noticed when watching this new JBS video that this presents an easy case against all forms of anarchism, since it logically follows that no government -> no structure -> chaos

Rothbard used this same view of the left-right spectrum since he called himself "far right" for advocating an abolition of the state

Start the vid at 9:37

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Are corporations and businesses that work with the Government just as bad as the government

This sub often rants on about how government workers are terrible, but is silent about how private companies can be complicit in the state's activities like Merkel having Zuckerberg going after "hate speech" online or companies like Ratheon, Boeing, or Lockhead Martin profiting from the military state in the US. Heck even Elon Musk is a statist who gets his funding from government subsidies. If government was a prostitute, then these companies would be buyers.

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Capitalism doesn't work.

Pic related. Imagine a construction company having to buy 10 bricks from this guy on the street, and then having to go to another guy on another street to buy 10 more bricks, and then to another guy on yet another street to buy some more, and so on… until they reach an amount of 10 000 bricks. It would take ages before any work is done.

How else would construction happen if the government didn't produce all the bricks and build shit for you? There are many examples like this, but they prove that ancap, markets, businesses, etc… are just a fantasy, and only fascism (but more specifically, national-communism) is the driving force of civilization, at least the commies got this part right.

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What should governments have done after the subprime mortgage crisis? Was there any way to encourage economic growth that would have actually worked, whether or not the banks were bailed out? The ones they did try with QE/low interest rates (caused an asset bubble), austerity (caused public service quality to decline), and stimulus spending (caused an increase in public debt for no discernible gain) failed to prevent economic stagnation for years in advanced economies while China and India significantly narrowed the gap in gross output.

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Other libertarian boards

>democucks, republicucks, "moderates" and other bread and circus cucks of all kinds

Since the Jap has started stirring shit up at 4cuck again, this place has been flooding with cancerous normie scum the likes of which we have never seen before, and it seems like they're here to stay, but since the commie BO has taken an anti-market approach at moderation, and sees no need to improving the quality of his board or to compete in the board market, it is up to us now to find a new home.

So tell us old pal, where do you see yourself posting about capitalism in the next 6 months? Don't have to mention it explicitly, we don't want this plague to follow us there.

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do you travel? show us your photos from your travels

what country/state did you like best and which u hated?

picrel photo i took this vacation

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Did she violate the NAP?

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>fucks up Britain and British economy


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>Skin in the Game: Hidden Asymmetries in Daily Life (acronymed: SITG) is a 2018 nonfiction book by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. Taleb's thesis is that skin in the game is necessary for fairness, commercial efficiency, and risk management, as well as being necessary to understand the world.[1] The book is part of Taleb's multi-volume philosophical essay on uncertainty, titled the Incerto, which also includes Fooled by Randomness (2001), The Black Swan (2007–2010), The Bed of Procrustes (2010–2016), and Antifragile (2012). The book is dedicated to "two men of courage": Ron Paul,[2] "a Roman among Greeks"; and Ralph Nader,[3] "Greco-Phoenician saint".[4][5]

>Ron Paul


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Did State welfare kill religion?

Did the growth of welfare programs by the State crowd out the church, and subsequently caused the secularization seen in many places in the West?

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The Incel Question

Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society? Are they products of a nanny-state culture? Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Final question: Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim?

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Hi, social democrat here interested in the rational and reasoned debate that you liberals are so famous for.

Anyways, I just want to get a few answers from you guys:

1) I often hear from libertarians and the like that “taxation is theft”. This is repeated often, but it seems to me to be quite a ridiculous assertion. How do you respond to someone who asks you to biblically justify your assertion that taxation is theft when the Lord never decreed it as such? The ancient Israelites, after all, had systems of taxation and not once, to my knowledge, did a prophet ever inveigh against taxation as a moral evil or equivocate it with theft. The only reason tax collectors in the New Testament were designated as sinners was because they were helping an occupying and alien force (the Romans) extort arbitrary amounts from the Jewish people. And it is noted that even then, despite being forced to pay unreasonable amounts coerced via a discriminatory state apparatus imposed by others with no chance at real political representation, that Jesus still instructs the Jews to pay.

2) How do libertarians justify the clear evils present within the existing capitalist framework that the vast majority of the world lives under today? To illustrate this, today my 5 year old phone was on the fritz and I was thinking of getting a new one. Curious, I tried to search for a replacement “fair” phone, i.e. one made respecting the rights of workers, ensuring that they are treated well, sourced with materials not extracted from conflict zones like the Democratic Republic of Congo, environmentally friendly as possible, etc. Unfortunately, I was not able to do so. The farthest I could get was the FairPhone, but a closer examination of just one of the points that I was looking for (worker rights), revealed that despite their rhetoric they were unable to substantially improve working conditions for their Chinese workforce. Even then, the phone makers were charging a premium (I think it was 500 euros). This means that I literally cannot buy a phone without contributing in some way to an active war or abuse of workers or environmental degradation. What is the libertarian response to such market failure?

3) Libertarians and liberal social policy. I don’t know about you guys, but the image I get when I think of “libertarian” is a Republican-voting millennial who is fine with gay marriage and drugs. Let’s ignore the whole issue over gay sex being sinful for the moment and stick solely with drugs. Libertarians support legalization of weed and I think the CATO institute even argued for full legalization of all drugs like what Portugal did. But why? How does allowing people to play out their escapist and addictive fantasies enrich society in any way? How is it moral? I hear a lot of talk about how the Drug War is a failure, but it is only a failure because the government (U.S. in this case) doesn’t want to take the necessary steps to end it successfully. As a counterpoint, I would like to bring in Singapore. Singapore issues the death penalty for those convicted of dealing drugs. It has one of the lowest drug usage rates in the world - According to the 2008 World Drug Report by the United Nations office on drugs and crime, 8.2% of the UK population are cannabis abusers; in Singapore it is 0.005%. For ecstasy, the figures are 1.8% for the UK and 0.003% for Singapore; and for opiates – such as heroin, opium and morphine – 0.9% for the UK and 0.005% for Singapore. A close to drug-free society is possible. Why give up the fight simply because one government doesn’t really care?

Anyways thanks for your time.

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do we have any asian users or users residing in asia (sensu lato)?

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/Liberty/ on the Internet

How do we stop internet censorship of social media companies influencing legislation without surrendering to onerous regulation of state censorship, foreign subversion, or giving in to the vulgarities of the mob?

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hurray new terrorist attack in strasbourg today :D maybe it will wake these cucks up

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why do Ancaps go into straight denial mode

when you mention their heroes were jews, especially those WN ones?

I don't get it. they usually end up dodging the question and spam helicopter nonsense at you. they're ones to talk about something "not being an argument" when all they do is dodge the question like an oven.

are they even real?

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is korwin-mikke right saying that on greenland there were maaany years ago lemons growing in wild?

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Sovereign Citizens

Is the sovereign citizen ideology based, or is it really as stupid as the actual movement?

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Libertarians for mandatory segregation

>I'm a libertarian

>which is why I want to give the govt. the power to discriminate and segregate on the basis of race

>because it's the only way in which we'll stop the blacks from destroying the white race

>because whites are the only libertarians

>and because it totally worked in the US, Hispanic america and South Africa

Why do some """"""libertarians"""""" peddle this bullshit?

If they really believe segregation is natural and blacks are inferior, why don't they advocate for voluntary association and the end of the welfare state?

Shouldn't that be an easier sell than "hey let's kill the niggers"?

Why do these """"""libertarians"""""" believe the government won't abuse this power?

It's almost as if these """"""libertarians"""""" use liberty as an ad-hoc excuse to kill and deport racial minorities…

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Taxation of Thottery

/liberty/, if you have not heard yet, thots that make money through private Snapchat and chaturbate and the like are now being reported to the IRS for avoiding to pay they're taxes.

Most of you may think that this is bad, given the nature of this board but I would say this is great for us and let me explain why:

Since these women are by and largely leftist, they support higher taxes. The only thing (and rather unsuprising I might add,) is that they haven't actually been paying them since they've been making they're money under the table. This should wake them up and hopefully get them stirred up about taxation or at least the IRS in general, and when pretty ladies that make people's pp hard are pissed at something, white knights are almost certain to follow in their footsteps.

It may seem contradictory to rat them out to the IRS but I think that it would be an overall win for libertarianism if we keep on doing this.

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Anatomy of the State

What's wrong with it?

It seems unimpeachable, which would naturally follow that anarcho-capitalism is correct

If you're not an anarcho-capitalist, share your disagreement

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thoughts? was he a commie or a libertarian?

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Ex-libertarian here

I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years. I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.

And I wanna tell you why, because I loved beeing a libertarian, it is fun and feels good but I had to evolve.

I realized that a libertarian society can only be established in a homogenous society. A society were everyone has the same personal agenda: Liberty . But this homogenous society can never exist in a pluralist, democratic, mutli-racial and liberal system of thought/politics as it would break away immediately because of the inner tension..

That's why the monarchies old old failed to withstand Bolshevism and that's why libertarian "states" would not withstand them either: they are much too laisez-fairez to build a completely resistant block against Bolshevism. Having a strong state with a strong army or an armed populace is not enough to withstand the red storm, you need a ready and rallied and educated people to withstand the enemy within.

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New Reading Guide

I wanted to make a right-wing reading list initially, but turns out I cannot, in good conscience, make one while omitting the libertarian aspect of it, which I believe is genuinely right-wing, whereas shit like national socialism and distributism are leftism in disguise.

So I took our old reading list and amended it. I also cut a few entries, like Molyneux (he is pretty low-tier), the New Libertarian Manifesto (everything from it is pretty much included in the Agorist Primer), and Nozick (he just isn't that good and hardly relevant anymore).

Hope this is of help for someone!

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Why do you have to "earn" a living?

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Why do they fantasize over being bent over and oppressed by people who would hate them if they ever had the ability to meet?

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Have boomers ruined opportunities for millenials forever? I wish I could get my own place and be self-sustainable, but I can't with jobs that require no diploma/degrees so I'm forced to go to college but then I'll have massive debts..

What is the future for millenials going to look like?

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What kind of money that loses more than 60 percent of its value in one day LMAO. This is why money should be physical and tangible, not something that is imaginary. Bitcoin cash? More like Bitcoin crash em right?

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Original ancapball content created by you thread. Let's see how dead this board is.

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who is your favourite biologist?

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Natsoc germany economy

People say that Germany became an industrial powerhouse because National Socialism was flawless, yet they dont say what did they actually do to make Germany so productive (natsoc doctrine says productivity = wealth), was it really a success or it only grew so quickly because of a artificial demand made by the goverment on heavy industry?

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How do we surpass the Chinese?

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Adam Smith documentary

Thought you guys might enjoy this

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Was the Yuri pill overrated or does it still hold up?

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The guest question

Does anyone have any sources on the guest question? I.e what the situations are when

I. You have invited someone unto your property without expressed conditions, and you change your mind while they're on your property.


II. Conditions of nature have brought someone unto your property without their consent.

Also, are there any works discussing the store-problem without using the "reasonable expectation" argument?

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Could capitalism and open markets really be the only requirement for a successful society? Was political freedom and social policy always just an arbitrary flavour of societal order like morality, equally valid and ineffectual on prosperity as authoritarian statism? I think I'm getting convinced that as long as the economic model is productive, rights like free speech and freedom from taxation have little bearing on the overall well being of the population.

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Communism Infopics

Anyone have more good infopics?

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leftypol poster

To the porkyposter who recently posted on a few leftypol threads:

Sorry you got banned. There are a significant number of leftists that would rather debate and engage opposing ideas rather than ban, but we don't control leftypol. That would be the toxic tranny who has killed our board. We could fix the situation if we had collective control of the board, but we don't.

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You people are so god damn stupid. It's like you actually wan't an anarchist society, hypocritically by liberal mega corps who are actually worse than the "big gobermant" you fear so much. For people who are represented by a flag that LITERALLY SAYS Don't Tread on Me, you would sure love to be trampled by corporations who don't even give a shit about you.

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City Planning/Zoning

Are there cities that have no or at least minimal city planning and zoning? What are they like?

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Why is the MSM so bad at their job?

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Taiwan Police Apprehend 3-D Printed Gun Pioneer Accused Of Child Sex Abuse

Wilson, 30, was taken to immigration authorities in the capital by officers from Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau, according to local media reports and an official from the bureau who asked not to be named. However, two Taiwanese officials denied Wilson was arrested or in custody. His exact status was unclear.

Because his U.S. passport was later annulled, the agency’s statement said, he “no longer has the legal status to stay in Taiwan.”

Facing accusations of having sex with a minor, it appears that Cody Wilson, the man behind the 3-D Printable firearms company Defense Distributed, is somewhere in Taiwan being pursued by local police.

According to reporting by Chinese-language media outlet United Daily News, Wilson has skipped his flight home to the U.S. and has attempted to rent an apartment in Taiwan. He appears to have initially passed himself off as an American student living in the city but has since been turned away by a prospected landlord who recognized him and called the authorities.

United Daily News reports that area police and Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau are now trying to locate Wilson.

On Wednesday, Police in Austin Texas announced that they had a warrant out for the arrest of the 3D-printed gun pioneer on allegations of sexual assault of an underage girl. Investigators say both Wilson and the young girl met through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com and were spotted at an Austin Hotel.

The department revealed that Wilson’s last known location was Taipei, Taiwan but that authorities were unsure whether the 30-year-old had gone to Taiwan on legitimate business or whether he was expressly trying to flee the United States.

“We can’t confirm any of the [Taiwan] reports just yet; no updates planned for today,” Lisa Cortinas, a spokeswoman for the Austin Police Department, told ArsTechnica on Thursday afternoon.

The Taiwan News has also reported that Wilson is on the ground in Taiwan, having been spotted at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Taipei after arriving in the city on September 6. However, they report that Wilson checked out the next day.

Wilson, who has recently won a legal battle against the State Department, a court decision which has pissed off Attorney Generals across the United States, has relentlessly pursued his principled passion for disseminating 3-D printable gun blueprints to the general public.

After a federal judge in Seattle blocked Defense Distributed from having the gun blueprints available to anyone free of price, Wilson jumped through a loophole, placing them for sale in order to keep them available.


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Is owning another person the highest form of Freedom?

I don't see anything wrong with owning personal slaves, when the Union freed Blacks a lot of them starved to death. I remember some tumblr user's family owned some slaves justifying it by saying that the country they were in had no possible hope for.

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Any other libertarians here, who are concerned with race?

I think we should remember that just because we support freedom in the form of less oppression from the state, doesn't mean that we somehow support a "judgement free zone".

We need desperately ostracization and societal pressures to conform to moral standards.

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> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.

>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.

>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.

>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.

>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.

>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.


It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

swedes also practice a form of it but it has different roots

Swedish men are more interested in each other than women so swede women have to import heterosexuals to fuck them

Obligitory marriage, rather than being a "tool of patriarchy" or any such nonsense in sweden was actually a way to force their men to reproduce

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What does /liberty/ think of Schumpeter's thoughts that Capitalism will meet its demise? Before you jump, I am not arguing that it should. Likewise, Schumpeter wasn't arguing that it should either, which I find interesting. He makes an argument of its collapse being inevitable, and the rise of crony crapitalism being inevitable, despite being sympathetic for and in fact agreeing with the effectiveness of capitalism, and not wanting capitalism to meet its demise.

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How do we stop postmodernism and cultural marxism?

The decay of western civilization can all be attributed to these 2 godless ideologies.

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U.S. metrication

How does /liberty/ suggest the U.S. metricate?

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daily reminder that lech wałęsa was a soviet agent

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Libertarian Right General


Old server was killed, long live the new server!

/lrg/ are a gang of badass motherfuckers who are all about privatizing the ocean and calling homosexuals gay. While our community is mostly such right-wing libertarians, we give followers of any ideology a chance to prove themselves. (No communist ever did.) If you want quality discussions about all kinds of political and philosophical topics, join in.

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Does an increase in wages as a result of a lack of workers cause inflation when the workforce participation rate and the purchasing power of the average consumer is so low and illegal immigration is present?

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Does throwing a surprise party for someone violate the NAP?

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what does liberty think about molymeme?

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/pol/ here. We're tired of Chodemonkey ruining our board.

We would be honored if you on /liberty/ would lend us a hand.

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>is antifa antinationalist

>simultaneously support black nationalism and/or gypsy nationalism and/or "palestinian" nationalism

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New OC thread because the old one is old

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why cant I have Supremus Ordo Militaris Hospitalis Sancti Ioannis Hierosolymitani Rhodius et Melitensis citizenship as my only citizenship?

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>socks are equally valuable to an amputee because it took labor to make them

How can anyone actually believe this?

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What can I do to save the white race ?

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Falling Rate of Profit

How do capitalists prevent their system from necking it’s self?

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Daily reminder that if you are not exacly this you are not a men

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ITT post things world government should offer to gain your support.

>Nuke China thrice

>Build a wall around japan and trade food, electricity and internet over it in exchange for hentai

>Dump all world's trash in India exclusively

>Declare Africa as a universal armed tourism and hunting ground

>Use South America as a platform for extensive weapon testing

>Create a communist country with free immigration to starve them all in there in a few years

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Where were you when they let the mask slip?

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/leftypol/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a card carrying member of the party!

/liberty/: I wouldn't be a worker, i'd be a successful bussiness owner!

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/liberty/ power level

Have this above my bed and a Gun Owners of America sticker on my truck

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why do poor people have freedom

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Election Fraud

/liberty/ seems like slightly more of a neutral party than /pol/. What the hell is going on? I've been hearing that Republicans committed voter fraud in Arizona, I've been hearing that Democrats committed voter fraud in Broward County, Florida. Then I think there was some more in Michigan, but I don't know by which party? And maybe Texas too, but I don't know by which party either? What's going on, who's doing what?

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U.S. "freedom"

I don't really see the U.S. climbing up any freedom rankings any time in the next few decades. How much longer do you think the U.S. has until it becomes Venezuela? Any burgerfaggots have any backup plans? Pic unrelated.

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In your ideal nation, who would have voting privileges?

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Technological advancement and collectivism

So I read "Industrial society and its future" and it made me wonder does technological advancement necessarily lead to collectivism? Or is it rather the mob democracy with suffrage to all? As both events occurred at the same time….

Sure, I noticed uncle Ted have some issues with some of his claims which I will mention down here (with my rebuttal), however I think the overall sentiment it still relevant.

>Even most people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society.

The invisible hand

>We suggest that modern man’s obsession with longevity, and with maintaining physical vigor and sexual attractiveness to an advanced age, is a symptom of unfulfillment resulting from deprivation with respect to the power process. The “mid-life crisis” also is such a symptom. So is the lack of interest in having children that is fairly common in modern society but almost unheard-of in primitive societies.

It may have more to do with the fact primitive societies didn't have the privilege of subsidized government pension

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Fascist AMA

I am a Falangist (Spanish Fascism) I had some interests in the libertarian side of the spectrum, namely the right side.

AMA but please try and keep it respectful. I will answer any serious questions you ask

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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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Opinions of this man and his works?

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How old are ancaps? I want to know the their exact age, of all 20 of them.

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alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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Why aren't we tackling the real issues here? Political ideologies don't exist in a vacuum, they're based on preconceived notions or underlying foundations which form a person's worldview.

Commies/Leftists are atheists. They believe apes crawled out of a soup after nothing exploded 9 gorillion years ago. They believe man has no inherent values or qualities, which is why they're fine with killing babies in the womb. They're fine with feminism because they believe there are no objective family roles. They believe there's nothing wrong with a man inserting his weewee in another man's butt. In fact, they don't believe in objective or absolute truth at all. Good and evil are just subjective, morality is just a "spook". they believe in moral relativism which is why they're fine with importing millions of immigrants with radically different and hostile cultures.

If you want to un-brainwash lefties, stop talking about political subjects because it's pointless when you both don't understand eachother's underlying worldviews. Attack the root of the issue: their atheism and belief in "millions of years". Debates should be had in the realm of science, philosophy and theology before you can effectively adopt a political stance best suited for mankind. The same goes for you ancaps and libertarians by the way, explain WHY you believe in these things. Theists take God-given inalienable rights for granted, but atheists don't believe in these 'negative rights' because in their worldview there is no purpose to life and good/evil are just subjective and relative.

Political wankery without addressing the scientific or philosophical foundations they're based on is a fruitless effort. It's like attacking branches instead of cutting the root. Whether you believe in Creation or Evolution is going to affect what political ideology you like.

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Liberty dollars

What did the FBI mean by this?

>Beginning in 1998, a private businessman, Bernard von NotHaus, began to issue a warehouse receipt currency called “Liberty dollars” based on gold and silver. In 2007, the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided the vaults of the Liberty dollar, and confiscated $7 million of gold and silver bullion. The seizure warrant was for money laundering, mail fraud, wire fraud, counterfeiting, and conspiracy.

>Note that none of these charges have anything to do with “legal tender,” or any restrictions on people to transact in the currency of their choice.

>In 2009, von NotHaus was arrested and charged with: one count of conspiracy to possess and sell coins in resemblance and similitude of coins of a denomination higher than five cents, and silver coins in resemblance of genuine coins of the United States in denominations of five dollars and greater, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 485, 18 U.S.C. § 486, and 18 U.S.C. § 371; one count of mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 and 18 U.S.C. § 2; one count of selling, and possessing with intent to defraud, coins of resemblance and similitude of United States coins in denominations of five cents and higher, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 485 and 18 U.S.C. § 2; and one count of uttering, passing, and attempting to utter and pass, silver coins in resemblance of genuine U.S. coins in denominations of five dollars or greater, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 486 and 18 U.S.C. § 2.

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/liberty/ goes to Washington

Through some means or other, you have become the President of the United States. Assuming you don't elect to resign from this position, what actions would you take using your newfound authority to further the cause of liberty? Only rule is that you have to exercise your power "legally." Yes, most of what the president does these days can be construed as illegal from reading the Constitution, but given that such actions have been ruled not to be illegal by our socialist courts they're fair game. I'll start:

First, use all the power that the executive branch has claimed over the years to our advantage:


>create new federal agency, "Gunowners of America"

>every American citizen over 18 is automatically inducted as a member of this organization

>as federal agents, members have the right to purchase, manufacture, and own firearms currently banned by US law

>can buy select-fire guns, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DDs, can also manufacture these without an FFL

>status as federal agents allows them to bypass any state restrictions of fun ownership

>can carry funs into schools, onto planes, or any other area that is a "gun free zone" to a "civilian"

>importers can import guns ordinarily banned from import if those bans hadn't already been repealed by me as long as they are only sold to GOA members

>Driver's license or passport are sufficient to prove GOA ownership

>If driver's license or passport are not obtainable (through blue state kikery of such) anyone may obtain a GOA ID card

>Alteration of any rules of the GOA charter, including privileges granted to members, can only be changed through an explicit, unanimous vote of every member of the GOA

>If a GOA member cannot be located for the vote, his vote is assumed to be "no."

>The GOA may only be disbanded through a similar vote

>GOA membership may not be rescinded or revoked for any reason


>Immediately withdraw all troops home, station at border

>appropriate DoD funds for border wall

>solicit armed forces and Army Corps of Engineers to build wall

>publicly announce that any unauthorized personnel within 100 yards of border will be considered a member of an invading force, and if not dispersed after one warning is shot on sight

>tell beaner government to assist in keeping illegals out or face 100% tax on remittances entering Mexico

>preemptively tell leaf government same thing as beaners may try to fly to mapleland and hop to US once visa expires

>any state which is a "sanctuary" to illegals is cut off from all federal funding


>repeal all gun import bans enacted by executive order

>repeal all import and export bans of any kind established similarly

>fire every member of the FDA, EPA, USDA, FCC, BATFE, DoH, DoE, and any other federal agency that isn't GOA

>repeal any regulations passed by these agencies

>fire every member of the USPS even though its existence is guaranteed by constitution

>exception is FBI whose firing will be done gradually

>announce that tax evasion, violations of above agency's regulations, etc., will not be enforced by the government

>US armed forces will take up role of ICE and Border Patrol

For federal laws that the executive can't repeal alone:

>announce that the federal government will not prosecute those who practice medicine/law/etc. without a license, announce similar non-enforcement of similar "crimes"

>withdraw from NATO, UN Security Council, any similar organization

>announce that US will ignore any demands made by UN

>withdraw from every trade agreement that isn't "unregulated trade"

>use privileged position of White House as national bully pulpit to go on national TV and shill for Rothbard, Hoppe, and the Mises Institute

>use bully pulpit to encourage states to secede, say that the US government will not act against them if they do

I think that's about the extent of what can be done with the Executive Branch alone, thoughts?

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Any of you faggots here still voting?

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Any of you faggots here still vote?

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is there any afirmative action/reverse discrimination in favour of europeans with mental diagnoses at american universities?

t. wanting to study in the land of burgers

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>sitting in adv. macro class

>Prof: the US enjoys much stronger fiscal policy than other countries because we have a lot more empty space to build more roads

Please stop the meme ride, I want to get off. We've gone too far.

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was ถนอม กิตติขจร /ourguy/?

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Post /liberty/ themed music

I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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This guy really was feelz>realz personified, reading his speech to congress for a declaration of war against Germany, then appealing the A&S acts, and then finally giving even more power to Britain and France after the war with the League of Nations. Has any President fucked up as hard as he has?

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What does /liberty/ think about Aether: https://getaether.net/ ?

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Let's explore the idea of Chinese Reaganomics

What was supposed to be a nice tongue-in-cheek thread about capitalism and communism was spammed by the users and deleted by the mods over on /pol/ so I figured we could discuss it here without too much trouble, instead.

In short, the Chinese economy stagnated under socialism for over 60 years and in under half that time it became a major player on the world stage by simply adopting a more status quo approach to market based economics, with Chinese individuals seeing exponential increases in their wages and general improvements in their living conditions (based on HDI). What does this all mean for /leftypol/ for example, that believe a controlled and closed off market is preferable when we have yet another powerful anecdote to the contrary?




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Free market's achilles heel

I understand the arguments for a free market and how it naturally fixes shit (bad companies go out of business, good companies grow) but there is one glaring problem I've never seen addressed..

What about social engineering, brainwashing or pushing agendas? I'm from /v/ and I'll use video games as an example. The vidya industry has turned to shit because of the lowest common denominator, casuals and brain-dead consumers. This is because of culture - people have lower standards today and will gladly eat shit.

The idea of a free market paradise only works if the consumers are educated and know how to vote with their wallet. It falls apart in a society where people are stupid because bad businesses with anti-consumer practices can still grow and survive, as evident by the many terrible vidya developers like EA or Activision that haven't made a good game since forever yet are still rich because of the dumb majority who keep buying their trash.

I keep hearing that in a free market, the best quality products will be available for the cheapest price, yet from observation this doesn't seem to be the case..

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Economic Question

I have been around many ideologies in the past. I've seen many discussions between natsocs, fascist, commies and traditionalist and not once did I ever get a satisfying answer to the economic question. One of the main reasons I am drawn to libertarianism is because you guys seem to be the most consistent in regards to economics and discuss it frequently where as other ideologies seem to think that the economy works like magic and simply having the right government would instantly mean a prosperous economy. Why is it that so many of these people are so willing to disregard the idea of the free market and think that capitalism as an idea is a failure?

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What are ways to become trained in combat without joining the military?

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Which C&C faction represents your ideology the best?

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Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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can i change girl's political opinions by spreading my sperm cells in her vagina? Janusz Korwin Mikke says that nature is not wasteful and other sperm cells, these which do not impregnate the egg cell, change the behaviour and political opinions of the girl

have you ever made a girl libertarian by spreading your sperm cells in her?

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I'm pretty sure we're the most edgelords pieces of shit on the Internet. Bring it motherfuckers.


>As a result, they all like to poke fun at libertarians because, even if it's not really true, libertarians have a reputation for being "live and let live" types, and that's not nearly edgy enough so it gets shunned.

>Libertarians aren't edgy enough

Hahaha, are you fucking kidding me? Let's shitpost on the edgiest shit you have ever heard a libertarian say. Stuff like:

- Kowloon City and Somalia were ancap utopias

- A guy ignoring the lever of a trolley completely when no one is there is completely fine and dandy.

- What if the child consents?

- Autistic "not an argument" or "fallacy fallacy" community.

- Getting caught up with even the tiniest amount of bait.

And more!

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Sometimes I get into discussions about, "Does there really need to be THAT MUCH land in reserve and as national parks?" There are many other topics where people feel when they're getting into slippery slopes, but somehow conservation just puts the blinders on. Maybe it's just the people I talk to, but conservationism is one of those that if I were a modern-day Genghis Khan and I wanted to convince people to genocide entire populaces, that might be my goto. Here's how it goes for me sometimes:

- Well, the rainforest is the world's lungs. So, you can't have any development there.

- Most of those parks dotted around in the Eastern U.S. are to preserve endangered wildlife.

- Yes, the West is mainly uninhabited wastes and desert, but extremely large expanse of land is O.K. because it's so rare in the modern age to have a place where wildlife can grow as it was meant to.

- Yes, Antarctica is a barren, desolate hellscape of ice, but it's the only place on Earth humans have collectively decided to leave untouched, and I think we should preserve that–even though there are vast, vast areas of land you could settle that would be no danger to any wildlife because there is none. It's just important to keep nature as nature, you know?

- You know, I'm starting to think settling Mars is a bad idea because of the rare chance of bacteria that–(IT IS SCARY HOW EASY IT IS FOR ME TO GET PEOPLE TO THIS FUCKING LEVEL)

- Yes, I think nature is more important than humans in a lot of cases.

I almost want to write a satire entitled, "Mao: the Greatest Environmentalist."

If you're a conservationist, convince me that you don't hate humanity. You're putting nothing over the lives and interests of your fellow man, aren't you?

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Libertarian Fascism


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Help me fill this shit in, niggas.

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I decree today that life is simply taking and not giving

this country is mine, it owes me a living

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Hi I want to post about the following topics

Being Jewish is ok

Sluts are cool

Trump is a Jewish puppet

Donald Chump is a moron

Interracial cuckoldry

Communism is great

Libertarianism is even greater

Basically an anti-/pol/ack as you can see

I have read your rules and am willing to fully abide by them.

Am I allowed here?

Will you apply the rules against flooding when autists try to spam such threads because they get triggered?

If so I promise to be a regular contributor to the board. I also know how to use VPNs and proxies. So I will maintain a +5 user count to your board on my behalf.

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What am I? And do you agree?

Hey /liberty/. I was hoping you could shed some light on what I am, and also maybe fix the problems that are occurring with the US today. There is a bunch, I’ll put this in a list.

What I believe.

>All human life should be respected unless in self defense

>Love a republic, but notice US corruption and gov overgrowth

>Race realist

>Dislike autocracy and dictatorship

>Dislike authoritarianism

>Like roads, but dislike massive spending on grants, etc

>Believe in nonintervention globally as much as possible

>Definite no nation building, but should intervene or keep intelligence with competitive powers

>Hate special interests, identity politics

>Strong national patriotism along with a border wall

>Massively cut oversees benefits and aid

Here is the difficult part.

>Believe the Jewish are nepotistic, and unbalanced in their representation

>See coincidences in entertainment’s cultural marxism and jewish ownership

>See commercials pushing miscegenation, degeneracy

>See the destruction of art and media, lake of transcendence and plot, for the sake of cultural marxism

>See NeoCon Jewish and corporations pushing for McCain style US

>Feel we do not need to fight or intervene for isreal or in ME

/Pol/ screams that I’m NatSoc. I just want the US to work how it was intended. I dislike ideas of caste and second rate citizenship, but the Jews really fucked up the US. It wasn’t all them, but they are a big component. But it is spilling over into my entertainment, business, life, news, discussion, and friends. It is everywhere, and unforgiveable. What is the solution?

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Is it really true that the Mestizos in Brazil are more libertarian/rightwing?

Or is it the whites/more white than the average mesitzos that are redpilled?

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nigga looks like a shrew with dem beady eyes and nose

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Freedom is the ability to do what one wills; one cannot do what one wills without power; the idea of freedom is inseparable from that of power. Freedom can only arise from the slavery of others.

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The Socialist Calculation Debate for the Umpteenth Time

The calculation argument is that prices reflect subjective values.

The knowledge argument is that there are orders of knowledge that are only discoverable using markets.

Yes, even these bastardizations of the arguments have issues, but I think it's at least an improvement.

WHY DO THESE TWO KEEP GETTING HOMOGENIZED TOGETHER? More than that, why do they get homogenized into a completely different argument?! Most of the time, it gets homogenized into, "The human brain is deterministic; therefore, we can model it; therefore, an objective utility function can be defined, and we know that calculating a utility from the human brain is difficult, but we can solve a massive linear programming problem–Mises just pointed out how difficult that problem was" That's not the calculation argument. It's not Hayek's knowledge argument. It's infuriating how often I hear this.

I am henceforth calling this argument "The socialist's strawman."

Anyways, what gets me is not only that it's a strawman, but it's a very, very weak strawman.

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>"Well howdy, mastuh Anon! I's done cooking fo' ya, if y'all come down heah wit yo' family oveah fo' dinnuh."

>"Do ya like it, mastuh? I's done thought it up myself! Issa gooood eatin', ain't it mastuh?"

ITT: You either own a loyal Negro slave, or act/talk like one. What do?

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we need a wrestler in by Wednesday; the rep nominated at the moment is George Washington.

>what is this?

Custom wrestling on a videogame called "Fire Pro Wrestling World". Boards from across 8chan are participating, and it'll be a 32-wrestler tournament to be the Once and Future King duly elected official cooperative leader sovereign citizen important board.

The game is currently available via crack, like all FREE things:


on mega.

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how can i measure time preference of girl im interested in?

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please recommend documentary movies or wildlife movies you like

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\\ C O M M U N I C A T I O N T H R E A D //

Get in here, Lads.

Fuck Discord but we need someplace to talk action still. IRC isnt robust enough.


彡Liberte Agora 彡





> Hayek style moderation

> Area for discussing action and libertarian

> Anyone welcome from Post-Left to geolibs

> Focus on action


< No Rand

< Statists must be on best behavior

Post other chat servers and places for discussion

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Would Free Software licenses be allowed in Ancapistan?

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State capitalism

What is the best system and why is it state capitalism.

Success stories:

- China

- Hong Kong

- Singapore

- Denmark

Countries must be operated as for profit corporations.

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Alternative places/boards

This board was never perfect but nowadays 99% of all posts are either neetsocs' or commies' snarky shitposts or low effort replies to them so does anyone of you guys know some other places with ancap discussion that do not have shitty BOs inviting ancoms and such on the sticky? Also the creation of such places, be it another board, site, tor, tox or whatever you think is of use.

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What does /liberty/ /leftypol/'s personal shitposting forum think about marriage?

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if things are getting better, why do I feel like I'm living in a dystopian nightmare?

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In a stateless society, do property rights truly exist?

This question is directed at the anarcho-capitalists.

Picture is unrelated.

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How is this shit even remotely far-right?

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Turns out abortion really is self-defence.

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stanisław michalkiewicz

i hope you have known him

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EU Articles to Criminalize Online Free Speech pass EU Parliament Committee

The Report: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-copyright/eu-parliament-committee-votes-for-tougher-eu-copyright-rules-to-rein-in-tech-giants-idUSKBN1JG1FE

Why this is bad for all Digital Free Speech: https://www.communia-association.org/tag/article-13/

European Union users can visit this website to email, call, or tweet your MEPs to stop Article 13 and Article 11 from criminalizing links, memes, and free speech: https://saveyourinternet.eu/

So 8chan, how does a board built on free speech feel about this???

>inb4 /b/tards complain pedophilia is censored and anarcho-capitalists defend privatizing free speech

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Venezuela has officially launched its oil-backed cryptocurrency

>Venezuela has officially launched what its President Nicolas Maduro claims is a first state-backed oil-backed cryptocurrency, El Petro.

>Over the past months, Maduro has been touting a new plan for economic recovery, which includes a new policy on gasoline pricing that would raise Venezuela’s ultra-cheap gas prices for the first time in two decades. The plan to ease the severe economic crisis also featured a devaluation of the currency and pegging the new bolivars to the Petro.

>Maduro claims that the Petro is strengthening his recently announced economic overhaul plan and will “revolutionize” the global crypto economy with a new form of trade, finance, and monetary exchange.


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kelthuz on dtube


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>A kills B

>A kills C

B is more important and liked more and wealthier than C

in ancap, will A get bigger fine for killing B than for killing C ceteris paribus?

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tfw it makes perfect sense

ruler chosen by periphery: poland (protests in capital city), usa (protests in commiefornia and big cities like ny), turkey (protests in ankara, izmir, istambul and other big cities)

on the other hand


rulers chosen by centre- EU (protests of periphery states like hungary and poland)

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What do you think about Liberland?

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Does anyone have that meme drawing of a person voting being equivalent to a person with a gun?

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The Diversity Delusion | Heather Mac Donald

Nice speech covering the topic of how diversity initiatives in US colleges destroys logical thinking while hurting the minorities it is supposedly meant to help

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There are a number of counterarguments to socialist arguments that I do not know of a good socialist counter counter reply (I have heard counter replies, but none that I feel like I have to stop for). So this is a thread where I can ask if you have ever heard a good reply to:

- The Nordic countries rank near the top in economic freedom, how can you call them socialist?

- Conversely, Venezuela ranks lower than Cuba, how can you call it capitalist?

- How can one defend Keynesianism after looking at Japan?

- Why does nearly every metric decouple after 1971?

- If regulations were increasing at a staggering rate according to the federal register, how can it be said the "deregulation caused the great recession?"

- What is the explanation to the 1921 recovery?

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>destroys capitalism

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>no state-mandated gf


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>join moonman discord

>say that all Jews and other non-whites should be gassed unironically

>everyone thinks I'm an FBI agent

>also my name is shared by a negress on twitter

>they want me to get on mic

>the only mic I have is a broken pair of combo mic earbuds

>they want me to take a timestamped pic of my skin/face

>decide not to out of fear of being doxxed


No one understands the struggle of legitimately believing that all non-whites deserve death. I'm tired of being constantly accused of being a CIAnigger because of my ascended level of racism. It makes me sad to be constantly mocked and rejected when all I want is a common sense genocide

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Does SimCity promote communism by portraying excessive government control as beneficial?

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Libertarian Lorax

>"I speak for the trees, you can not keep doing this Onceler."

>"Come back when you have financial reasons you hobo."

>The Lorax starts a futures market for thneeds and the Onceler's business.

>Learns basic accounting.

>Points out that the net present accounting value of Onceler's actions are negative given the rate of depreciation in the business' land value and the rapidly increasing futures rates of thneeds.

>"Oh hey, thanks Lorax, maybe it doesn't make financial sense to destroy every ounce of land."


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Random Image Dump

It's like a regular image dump, but random.

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Economic Freedom Index

Why are so many countries that have socialized medicine in the top 20 of the economic freedom index?

Side-question, will the U.S. ever be back in the top ten? Or is it destined to be beat out by countries like "Estonia?"

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The way anyone even begins to hint at an armed revolution and the thread is filled with, "Honeypot thread, gtfo out of here you federalos," I have to wonder…how the hell did revolutions ever start? I mean, that threat that you have a Benedict Arnold in your group has always existed, why is it such a good way to silence dissent now? Or maybe revolutionary groups began a different way in the past?

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They’re scum. Let’s bring the hate, /liberty/.

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/pol/ says that women suffrage was done by Joos to make labour force cheaper because women started working and men had competition in labour market

i think it was stef who said that taxes rose and men could not earn enough to provide whole family a living and in this way women were forced into labour force

what do you think about these explainations?

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why does hoppe live in turkey if they can put you to prison for criticising AKP (ruling party) there? has he never had problems there being ancap?

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Nazino affair

Was this ancap?

>The Nazino affair (Russian: Назинская трагедия, translit. Nazinskaya Tragediya) was the mass deportation of 6,000 people to Nazino Island in the Soviet Union in May 1933. The deportees, mostly political prisoners and petty criminals, were forcibly sent to the small, isolated island in Western Siberia, located 540 kilometers (340 mi) northwest of Tomsk, to construct a "special settlement". They were abandoned with only flour for food, and little in the way of tools, clothing, or shelter, and those who attempted to leave were killed by armed guards.[1][2] The conditions of the island led to widespread disease, abuse of power, violence, and cannibalism. Within thirteen weeks, over 4,000 of the deportees related to Nazino Island had died or disappeared, and a majority of the survivors were in ill health.[3][2]

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Who would you, /liberty/?

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deontological vs consequentialist libertarianism


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Social Democracy for the 21st Century

Pick any article you want and debunk it. Go on, don't be shy.

Debunking Austrian Economics 101 (Updated):


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assuming there are only 2 sexes

>female sex is the most consumptionistic sex

and simultaneously

>female sex is the most anti-capitalist sex


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Who are you voting for in November, American /liberty/? Or will you be?


Not sure if I should vote against the Democrats in the Congressional race this November because I want to send a message about how much I fucking hate this culture war.

Not sure if I should vote against the Republicans in the Congressional race this November because they can’t repeal Obamacare, let alone do anything meaningful, and are full of boomershit traitors like McCain was.

Not sure if I should just write "fuck you" on the ballots like I have been.

There are no third parties where I live.


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Libertarianism from First Principles

How many libertarians are actually principled?

Few in the National LP from my angle. What do I mean by principled? I mean you don't arrive at your conclusions haphazardly with ur feelz, but with an "unbreakable" chain of logical truths. Science bitches!

Check out the embedded (((YouTube))) video by Shane Killian for a good breakdown.

I know I considered myself a libertarian for years before I understood wtf they meant by "principle".

But once you're principled, every single libertarian position is self-evident to you (with some notable exceptions like abortion) and you become one consistent motherfucker. Once you get to this point, the LP almost seems like a joke: "the party of principle" my ass!

But hey, at least the intent is there in the motto. And look, holding onto principle can be fucking difficult. The political winds will blow you right the fuck away. If you don't hold on tight, you will you be forcing jew grannies to bake nazi cakes at gunpoint, before you know it.

Isn't principle what really separates us from the statist sheep and LINOS? Doesn't it elevate our political ethos above a simple ideology? We don't "believe" this, we just acknowledge fundamental truths as such.

So, what do you liberty anons think?

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meanwhile in european (((universities)))

>Whiteness. Race and the shifting codes of social privilege

>The aim of the course is to examine the concept of whiteness and its functioning in different historical, social and cultural contexts. During our classes we will analyse ways in which whiteness is constructed within changing systems of status hierarchy and pose a question about its relationship to a category of race. We will draw on theoretical approaches adopted in „whiteness studies”, discuss the origins and development of this research field and relate it to wider studies on ethnicity, race and racism. Referring to the works of sociologists, historians and anthropologists we will show how whiteness has organized and defined different forms of social privileged that is still perpetuated by the cultural patterns of valorisation operating in Western and non-Western societies. In this context we will also discuss whiteness in connection with issues such as culturally conditioned perception of the body and ideals of beauty, whiteness and class, whiteness and gender, whiteness and colorism. During the course we will not only focus on scholarly works but will also consider representations and problematizations of whiteness that can be found in literature, visual arts, film or advertising.

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if things are getting better, why do I feel like I'm living in a dystopian shithole?

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The Uniqueness of Western Civilization | Ricardo Duchesne and Stefan Molyneux

One of the rare modern-day sociologists who is not a SJW (as a former marxist he knows how to refute them). A pretty good interview, shedding light on how much the west has actually contributed to human sociology and science, protestations of the cultural marxists aside.

>Book Summary: "This extensively researched book argues that the development of a libertarian culture was an indispensable component of the rise of the West. The roots of the West's superior intellectual and artistic creativity should be traced back to the aristocratic warlike culture of Indo-European speakers. Among the many fascinating topics discussed are: the ascendancy of multicultural historians and the degradation of European history; China's ecological endowments and imperial windfalls; military revolutions in Europe 1300-1800; the science and chivalry of Henry the Navigator; Judaism and its contribution to Western rationalism; the cultural richness of Max Weber versus the intellectual poverty of Pomeranz, Wong, Goldstone, Goody, and A.G. Frank; change without progress in the East; Hegel's Phenomenology of the [Western] Spirit; Nietzsche and the education of the Homeric Greeks; Kojeve's master-slave dialectic and the Western state of nature; Christian virtues and German aristocratic expansionism."

>Dr. Ricardo Duchesne is a historical sociologist, a professor at the University of New Brunswick and the author of “The Uniqueness of Western Civilization,” “Faustian Man in a Multicultural Age” and “Canada In Decay: Mass Immigration, Diversity, and the Ethnocide of Euro-Canadians.”

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Mises University

Anyone else applying for this summer's course?

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Was Aaron violating the NAP?

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Imkampfy -FINALLY- removed

Porchmonkey finally removed imkampfy, apparently. >>>/pol/11619182

It's about a year or two too late, but still nice to hear. Let's watch them self-implode now.

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Congressional incompetency

Tfw the market says, "Jesus, you guys are so incompetent I'd rather have complete gridlock."

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Freedom faction is best faction. This thread is Freedom territory.

Do you want to earn the respect of fellow stalkers? Do you want to build a team of loyal friends who will stick up for you in times of trouble? Do you dream of kicking some Duty ass? All this and many other opportunities awaits you if you join Freedom!

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NAP Violation?

Did Orange Shirt dun diddly violate the NAP, /liberty/?

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What if a small group of people owned a big portion (e.g. 99%) of the land.

Would they sell it for cheap?

Would they keep it their property forever so that others can't buy land?

The small group of people can have acquired the land unjustly.

For example a prior government gave it to them excluding others.

The records can be lost so we can't prove any more that they acquired the land unjustly.

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Is my money going to be worth anything in 20 years?

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Michael Memeice interviews Hans Hoppe

He doesn't come out in public often, does this mean 6 more weeks of winter?

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List internet technologies that will subvert government and provide value

List internet technology ideas that promote freedom and provide value. Like Bitcoin and Uber.

What is the next big thing?

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is there such thing as european alt-right?

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tell me the most redpill thing you know

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The great thing about you /liberty/ retards is that you're exactly as retarded as the /leftypol/ retards. Whereas /leftypol/ retards pride themselves in a moralist (pseudo-)critique of capitalism that only centers itself around notions of justice; of 'fair' distribution, the main man they claim to have stand as their authority figure on their opinion, Karl Marx, thinks they're all gigantic morons who haven't noticed that the central point of tension is not between the labourer and capitalist, i.e. the transhistorical and merely abstract character masks within the division of labour, but between labour and capital themselves.

In this text, Marx berates a leftist idiot (Adolph Wagner) for contorting his writings into a book that wholly misrepresents his views, producing takedowns and corrections of his bullshit such as this:


>What a “subtraction from the worker” is, subtraction of his skin, etc., is not evident. At any rate, in my presentation even, “profit on capital” is in actual fact not “a subtraction from, or robbery of, the worker.” On the contrary, I depict the capitalist as the necessary functionary of capitalist production and demonstrate at great length that he not only “subtracts” or “robs” but enforces the production of surplus value, thus first helping to create what is to be subtracted; what is more, I demonstrate in detail that even if only equivalents were exchanged in the exchange of commodities, the capitalist—as soon as he pays the worker the real value of his labour-power—would have every right, i.e. such right as corresponds to this mode of production, to surplus-value.


>The obscure man falsely attributes to me the view that “the surplus-value produced by the workers alone remains, in an unwarranted manner, in the hands of the capitalist entrepreneurs” (Note 3, p. 114). In fact I say the exact opposite: that the production of commodities must necessarily become “capitalist” production of commodities at a certain point, and that according to the law of value governing it, the “surplus-value” rightfully belongs to the capitalist and not the worker. …

So rest assured, both you and the leftist idiots are not just equally as stupid, but the LARPing internet idiots you find on the internet not only currently stand outside of any level of class struggle and the Marxist understanding of class struggle, but always will find themselves there so long as they operate on the moralising plane of their critiques.

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How much longer do you think Taiwan will be able to hold on to its independence?

Do you think they will become a pawn in the Trump v. China trade spat?

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/liberty/ btfo once again holy shit

Even the normalfags that make games understand what goverment is and you autist don't lmao


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Inalienable Rights?

Do you believe in inalienable rights? If so, how do you know that these rights exist? It's easy to say that these rights are inalienable and God-given, but can you provide any sort of evidence for their existence, or a reason why I should believe in them?

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itt news that make you angery

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Ethical questions for NAPpers

For a libertarian, what is the moral status of buying U.S. federal government treasuries?

For those that believe that fractional reserve banking is the cause of the boom bust cycle, what is the moral status of having a checking account with a bank that does not have 100% reserves?

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Midterms Thread (Remember to vote!)

I'm making this thread in preparation for the midterms to raise awareness for voting; if we want to make the USA a truly free place as it was meant to be, we all need to vote for people who want to make that happen. /liberty/ isn't the largest board on the website, but there are still people here who can help to make a difference. I know a lot of us are going to vote but there still might be those who can be encouraged, hence why I'm making this thread. Another reason is so we can talk about good candidates and figure out the best choices for each state.

Living in New Hampshire, which is already a fairly free state, someone going by Aaron Day has popped up and he's interested in doing a lot to make the state better. I'm planning on voting for him; I don't want Chris Sununu in charge of my home any longer.

The New Hampshire primaries are on

>September 11th

and the general voting is on

>November 6th

It's a smaller state so I'm not sure if many people here live in NH but for those of you who do, those are the dates. Anyways, lets discuss the midterms and what we can do to raise votes to make a freer America!

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What does liberty think about the Israel/Palestine Conflict?

The Palestinians lost a lot of land to Israel while they are caged up like animals. However them chimping out gives Israel the excuse to lob bombs their way and play victim. It seems like a two state solution would be the only answer but neither side seems to want to cooperate.

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Five questions for statists (Larken Rose)

Five simple questions to clarify your thinking and challenge tyranny.

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Nathaniel Branden on Self-Esteem and Libertarianism

From the ex-lover of Ayn Rand, and a quality guy in general. (RIP)

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Why are you a libertarian? Why is liberty so important to you?

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investment help

How do I start investing in order to increase my property regardless of how any fiat goes?

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QTDDTOT - /don't thread on me/

Questions that don't deserve their own thread, physical removal edition.

Firstly, how does the taking care of children (or the charity in which you take care of retards) work in ancapistan? Is preventing your kid and/or retard from doing dangerous shit interruption of their nap, or does the implied contract one has with kids/commies make it okay?

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How would an AnCap society deal with Red Market Activities?

How would an AnCap society deal with activities like forced trafficking, organ theft, and assassination markets? With the advent of bitcoin, it gives great freedom but also great anonymity. Enough to start creating an assassination market.


This is not meant as a gotcha but I legitimately thinking of writing a story on the subject. Mainly having that AnCap society not being one society, but several societies that each have their own culture and way of doing things much like Libertarians themselves. You could have libertarians with a more marshal honor culture based off of Hans Herman Hoppe or hippie communes based off of someone like Jeffrey Tucker. My story will be about how the society deals with issues like these. I don't want to give out to many details as to not have ideas stolen.

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Is it compatible with libertarianism? Is there such a thing as nationalist libertarianism?

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/r/ picrel how mainstream media shill antinatalism regarding whites and pronatalism regarding nonwhites

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Ancap social boundaries

Thread about spiritual ancap community problems. I run a spiritual ancap community, and while doing so problems arise, especially leadership and self governing problems. I made a post explaining the manipulation that can arise if you are not in the leadership role all the time, because people always want to control. (((Here is the full post))) https://www.patreon.com/posts/social-20712261

Working in different groups have taught me, to set up strong social boundaries. Because some people see kindness and compassion as being weak or vulnerable. They misuse the kindness and openness you give them and try to control the group or you.

Because they are not used to living free and open. They try to manipulate and gaslight you.

(So what does this word mean? "Gaslighting" is used to describe abusive behavior, specifically when an abuser manipulates information in such a way as to make a victim question his or her sanity and twist words upside . Gaslighting intentionally makes someone doubt their actions, beliefs, or perception of reality.)

From now on, if anyone is gaslighting, being manipulative, abusing my kindness, being irresponsible, or not respecting me and my friends. And being a drain on community resources and time.

Then they get 1 chance to change their behavior or else its out of the community. This is not a free loading place, here action is taken.

Many people that come here, have lost their own sense of leadership and they want me to tell them how to wipe their own asses, then I say If you want that kind of leadership, stay in your current society where everyone tells you how to wipe your own ass. Learn to take power back in your own hands, and do things because you want to help, not because I told you to help .

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Free Banking

It seems most of us here agree with Rothbard that fractional-reserve banks are inherently fraudulent and wouldn't exist in a free market. Anyone take the "free banking" view, that private banks need not maintain 100% reserves, and it's not only permissible but beneficial for banks to loan out their obligations? If so, what's the answer for how such a system would work on the market? The way I see it, there's a pretty strong market incentive to maintain 100% reserve, because the moment any one bank starts to expand its credit, other banks would notice this, and it would be in their interest to cash in obligations held with that bank, and force a run. What's the free-banking response to this?

Also general banking thread

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Who was in the wrong here?

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Good or bad?

>The United States and Mexico agreed on Monday to overhaul the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), putting pressure on Canada to agree to new terms on auto trade and dispute settlement rules to remain part of the three-nation pact.

>Auto stocks soared and financial markets firmed on the expectation that Canada would sign on to the deal by the end of the week and ease the economic uncertainty caused by U.S. President Donald Trump’s repeated threats that he would ditch the 1994 accord.

>But details of gains and concessions in the deal were only starting to emerge on Monday, and Trump threatened he still could put tariffs on Canadian-made cars if Canada did not join its neighbors.


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>pope francesco


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Digital First Amendment Bull

This is a bit late to the party but these threads last forever on this board so whatever. Since Alex Jones got kicked off of four platforms in mere days of each other, as well as conservatives getting shadowbanned and actually banned on social media, people are actually calling for the First Amendment to cover Social Media. "Small government" conservatives want to get the government to run social media or prevent private companies from banning people they like because they are a "monopoly". This is stupid because as us libertyfags know, government sucks at running most if not everything.

However, these tech giants like Twitter and Facebook have set a bad precedent with banning Alex Jones. It was a stupid decision because it just confirms all the conspiracies about the "elite" Alex Jones has been cooking up over the past few years. It also makes him into a martyr that hurts their image. This will likely have two possibilities. A, the Trump run government will likely take partial control of social media ruining it, or B the right just goes to Gab, Vidme, Bitchute, etc. creating two sets of echo chambers. One for the left and one for the right. This would make things worse for politics as people will no longer talk to each other, further increasing tension in an already politically fractured USA.

Thoughts, solutions, missed points?

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China bank bust

The chings have chonged again

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How do you grow the money supply without central banking?

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The alt-right is where the intellectual wing of the libertarian movement goes to die. This accelerating downward spiral into esoteric nonsense and spiritual absolutism is an anathema to any political ideology that wants to maintain an upward trend in the public discourse. I would like to add a corollary to the heuristic for movements that are not explicitly right-wing moving left, and that is that any movement that loses touch with methodology drifts towards vague appeals based upon aesthetics. And it's also really gaaaaaaaaaay.

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you like liberty? join my discord https://discord.gg/Y7Rm8Y

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Did the CSA have a right to secede from the voluntarily entered into union of states of which it was formally a part of?

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Liberalism are the modern day millenials or modern day hippies advocating LGBT, same sex marriage, premarital sex, political correctness, atheism, agnosticism

Leftism are the socialists and communists like in China, Norh Korea and Latin America

Like what Dr. Michael Savage said: Liberalism is a mental disorders. Can you guess what leftism is?

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"I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone - if possible - Jew, Gentile - black man - white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….

"The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world - millions of despairing men, women, and little children - victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

"To those who can hear me, I say - do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed - the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish. …..

"Soldiers! don’t give yourselves to brutes - men who despise you - enslave you - who regiment your lives - tell you what to do - what to think and what to feel! Who drill you - diet you - treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts! You don’t hate! Only the unloved hate - the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

"In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” - not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power - the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

"Then - in the name of democracy - let us use that power - let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world - a decent world that will give men a chance to work - that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfil that promise. They never will!

"Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfil that promise! Let us fight to free the world - to do away with national barriers - to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! in the name of democracy, let us all unite!"

I'd like to know your thoughts, /liberty/. Whether you agree or disagree, chime in.

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Post 'em if you got 'em

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Happy Liberty day!

Three cheers for Don Augusto!

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(1) showering / taking a bath is unpleasant as it needs effort

(2) one does not feel one's stink

it leads to conclusion that

>everyone who showers /takes a bath does it for others being in this way altruistic


>everyone who showers /takes a bath is a conformist


>if you shower / take a bath you are a normie

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>/leftypol/ tries to make a gun

>it explodes in your hand

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What skyrim mods does /liberty/ uses?

It tells more about you thank you think.

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How did he got his army?

>tfw no taller, submissive witch gf

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have you heard/read about him? what do you think about him?

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Wish globalism became the dominant ideology so we could muster all of our resources and explore space, such a shame. But it seems we, as a world, aren’t ready for this yet. The radical leftists and rightists want to destroy everything for a society they want, and you all want your “precious” individual freedoms which deter even the slightest human progress.

The only way we can truly prosper is if the human race gives into ultimate centralization.

So, do me a favor and continue to vote mainstream so we can get this underway, freedomfags. Oh and invest more into cryptocurrency. It is, after all, for the greater good that you do.

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Just trust the government you dumb fucks.

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How did Keynesian Economics become Mainstream

>Paying people to dig ditches and fill them back up again is gainful employment

>We shouldn't be worried about the long term because "we'll all be dead"

>WW2 and/or the New Deal ended the depression

>We need a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble

>A trillion dollar coin could pay off the national debt

>Letting the market fix itself is ridiculous so we need an alien invasion to create fiscal stimulus

>20 trillion in debt isn't a problem because its the money we owe to ourselves

How did Keynesian economics become mainstream to the point people unironically say "believing in Keynes is like believing in Darwin"?

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>kill the tsar

>distribute land equally between peasants

>90% of peasants are idiots that don't produce excess for sale

>the remaining 10% are entrepreneurial and as a result become rich

>forcibly amalgamate the two classes under state control

>kill the 10% that knew how to run the farms properly as "capitalists"

>plan fails utterly and state has to import food

>some people are more skilled and talented than others

>however cannot allow them to participate in a marketplace as this would allow them to be rich

>set up nationwide system of redistribution to try and ensure that enough gets to those who are skilled while never allocating them to much so that the wealth is equally shared

>clever managers learn how to falsify reports to central administration to receive excess material shipments

>instead of hording currency individuals simply horde goods that they don't need to sell in times of shortage

>entire system is ridiculously slow and criticism of its functioning is forbidden

>ramp up military production to try and compete with capitalist arms buildup

>consumer goods production into the shitter

>food imports stop due to embargo


>some idiots half the world away think that this will still work again

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Property is theft.

>A man whom it would be forbidden to pass on the highways, to stop in the fields, to shelter in caves, to light a fire, to pick wild berries, to gather herbs and to boil them in a piece of terra-cotta, this man could not live. Thus the land, like water, air, and light, is an object of first necessity, of which everyone must freely use, without harming the enjoyment of others; why is the land appropriate?

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Qu'est ce que la propriété?

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How do we fool these losers into becoming capitalists?

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Let me convince you of Ayn Rand's Objectivism

I've studied and lived Oism for a decade and want to convince others of its arguments.

Short summary:

Metaphysics: Existence is as it is - there are no contradictions

Epistemology: Reality can be known via the senses

Ethics: You live for your own happiness (as a human being).

Politics: Free market capitalism (

Aesthetics: Realistic art that shows and idealizes how things really are

(Related points: humans have free will and are born with a blank slate and no obligations to others)

Ask away

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>no taxes

>recreational nukes

>crypto currency

Is NK ancap?

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any other schizotypals here?

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anon, have you ever had problems with cops/law?

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Revenge of the Saltmines -

Truly-American meme war! Roblox is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless anti-meme Lord, George Soros. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

The song dives into a college student suffering from Donald Trumpism, worst disease of it's kind. Donald Trump has won the presidential office and is taking names. Crybaby is left in a constant state of sadness, only aided on by her school classmastes.

The only way to absorb the full meaning of my video is to…


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on creating ancapistan

What do you think of the idea of creating ancapistan irl? I'm sure it must have been discussed before. It would of course only be a state in the eyes of statists, and different communities would of course have different relations to other countries. The largest problem would of course be aquiring land, and I think the two best solutions would be either international waters or nonland. Nonland isn't much of an alternative, as it's basically just LARPing. So, so far it seems to be best to go like Sealand and be positioned within international waters. Of course, the non-abundance of land on an oil rig or artificial island would deem it difficult to have different communitites in the beginning. But, as long as we have some criteria on who can join ancapistan's existing land (no statists and other fags etc.), it wouldn't be much of a problem. Also, in other to seem like we're not only larping, I propose naming it something else than ancapistan. Say, if we decided on water, it could be named (New) Atlantis or something, idk.

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would poland be better off never to develop its statehood? both russia and germany are more liberty oriented in some aspects when compared to poland, in some they are not…

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>go to /pol/

>say I fucked a little girl

<you're not whiiiiiiiiiiiite!

<the FBI or CIA is gonna get you!

What the how?

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Why don't we make it so citizenship comes from your parents, and not from just being born in the US? No more anchor babies.

We do it this way with foreign spouses becoming citizens.

Also make English the de jure language of the US.

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>ancap/libertarian global dating website


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Hey guys

Extremely poor, unemployed, disabled American here. I grew up poor and in a broken home. Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for working 12 hours a day so you can pay for my benefits. It's really nice of you. If only i was able to work, i'd stop living on unemployment, but unfortunately i have a few mental illnesses from the abuse and negligence and businesses refuse to hire me. I live in Smalltown USA™ and every employer knows who i am (nepotism is rampant here) so i'd have to go out of town for a job, but honestly i don't think it's worth it. Thanks again!

P.S. - stop paying taxes any time!

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Hello, I would like to see how dead this board is and should I settle here. So let's start with a simple question: how would we deal with random bullets whizzing by in a libertarian society? Say there is a small gang war going on inb4 gangs are caused by gibment intervention, have it that it's some arctic cool religious war between esoteric racial presbiterians and the Southern Pentacostal Law Church and people are buying groceries and unpasteurised milk on the market (without [™] because IP is laughable). No one means any harm, but bullets fly and it is not clear who is responsible for bystander deaths as cameras are a breech of privacy and all. Who would you sue/shoot at if your slave got injured in such circumstances? TL;DR: personal forcefield anti-high velocity projectile shieldbelts when

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/liberty/ image dump

Gib all your /liberty/-related memes and visual arguments for free a few (you)s and your picks within the dump. This is voluntary sharing, and is therefore outlawed in several countries. Share and save at your own risk.

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How does a libertarian society manage war against a state aggressor?

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/libertstrips/ thread

Post 'em if you got 'em.

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/r/ execution of raid threads like >>88813




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> world-systems theory


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Russia and the transformation from socialism to capitalism

How does /liberty/ explain the catastrophic development of Russia after the deconstruction of socialism? Remember that during the early Yeltsin period, the free market in Russia was almost anarchic, state institutions almost collapsed, and private oligarchs appropriated most of the state's property, quickly establishing a new capitalist class in Russia. Yet it had negative consequences: Life expectancy sank so much it killed almost 6 million people, GDP collapsed beyond repair, infrastructure crumpled, employees were laid off everywhere, massive increase in alcoholism and domestic violence, end of the almost 100% literary rate, shortages, inflation, the loss of the super power status. Sure Putin's Russia alleviated some of the most urgent problems, but he did so through putting a stop to the privatizations and propping up some kind of state capitalism, but it's still far beyond what it had once been. There is still corruption, poverty and economically Russia is a gas station first and foremost.

I mean, what did the USSR provide? Steady economic growth (YES there was stagnation in the Brezhnev period but it is meant that economic growth wasn't as high as it was before, not actual stagnation), full employment, super power, development of nuclear fusion, no homelessness. Of course there were problems, such as the fact that the Soviet cybersin program was abandoned just like the "Soviet internet" as it threatened the power of some of the bureaucrats, which means yes, there were structural deficits, but that doesn't change that the Soviet economy put the people first. Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS

If that would have been implemented, USSR could have gone beyond money and a more cybernetic distribution of goods.

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>nick land


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Why aren't you f/a/ggots listening to Smug Radio?


Niggers better be listening.

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Daily reminder to drink your Schweppes.

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why dont right-wingers read books?

>thomas sowell




>bell curve

it is almost as if … ring wingers have low IQ or something!

also, lolbergs always whine on about "muh economics", yet there is no respected austrian economist today!

all right wing books are high school level, while lefty books are only for the academic individual, such as Adorno / Horkheimer / Marcuse / Foucault and many others. How come you do not even know what their views are? It is almost as if you have simplistic views "grug want market rock" tier.

why havent yall killed yourselves yet, brainlets?


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Why do Nationalists conveniently forget that Jews are demonstrably self-hating and self-defeating when they point out that there are Jews present in the foundation or development of modern economics and individualism? It seems like a really convenient fact that Nationalists leverage frequently (typically to tie in Jews self-designating themselves as white and then expressing anti-white sentiments to their Jewishness) so I'm not sure why they bother pretending otherwise.

That is, of course, working in the assumption that Jewishness informs their beliefs for or against a common Jewish purpose, which also assumes a lot. Modern genetic theory would instead imply that Jewish predisposition to either central planning or much more rarely radical individualism could be the product of high-IQ and pervasive personality traits that influence such beliefs somewhat deterministically, which is also another convenient fact that Nationalists leverage frequently.

I mean, I'm structuring this with a really blatant argument in mind, that people are subverting reasonable hatred for the status quo into an even more pro-government fervor "for the right reasons this time, promise, win wink", but maybe there are perfectly reasonable explanations for the hypocrisy and I just missed them, so if you have any, please help out.

natural disclaimer: I would take a /pol/shitposter nationalist government over a bunch of gommies trying to do the same thing any day of the week and this should be taken more as intra-faction nitpicking than actual 'dude btfo lmao' content.

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Why did the Confederates lose?

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The "Intellectual Dark Web" website


Not all of those listed are libertarians, but much more libertarian-minded than most of the "thought leaders" in power now across the world today, and much more rational too. (Generally they are trying to dismantle the ideology of the authoritarian left, either directly or indirectly.)

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What will you do after ancap?

While some people make it their whole lives, I only see politics as a means to an end. A government (or lack thereof), only exists to protect the prosperity of its people so that they can focus on their dreams and goals without worrying about the minutiae of infrastructure and invading barbarians. I think too many people forget that and come to see political bickering as the end all be all of their existence, and have no plans to venture beyond the charted waters of government. But not me, and I hope not you either.

When the revolution comes and goes and the states are all deposed and we set up and tune up the proper order of things, what will you do then? Where do you want to go once the great task is complete? For me, I want to open myself a bakery in a small town, and have it be a gathering place for all the locals to come and socialize and make friends and share experiences. And I want to find myself a wife who's sweeter than everything else in the shop.

What will you do, anons? Where will you go when you're no longer needed on the battlefield?

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Hey everyone,

I created a board called /ecopol/ in order to facilitate discuss between the left and the right on ecological issues… if anyone here is ecosocialist, anprim, communalists, etc… please check it out!


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I hate status quoians

>be me

>be savagely individualist since birth

>be raised in modern socialist US

>hate everyone

>buy gun

>police take gun

>hate neighbors

>make neighbors angry (probably my fault actually, but fuck them)

>people start following me home from work, coworkers gaslight constantly

>walk out on low paying jobs because they suck

>people start driving by my house at night

>get college funding, move back in with parents

>jobless fat uncle hates me, berates me in front of mother

>mother kicks his fat ass out. house instantly better, fat uncle homeless now

>fat uncle is respected in the community, denounces me, often tails me where I go

>get a temporary job, and have to walk out next day because all the coworkers do is play fuckbuck games on me

>for some reason people are mad that I am engaging in capitalist non-association or something. >People start drive by honking my house

>Fucking hate all of them even more. Engage in possibly illegal activities.

>get arrested (possibly illegally arrested I found out later)

>get bailed

>phone hacked, hear honks on other side of call (It was my lawyer I was calling)

>literally want to kill people (nothing out of the ordinary really)

>be forced to attend probation

>can't stand having to be in a room with fat bitch who pretends she is actually doing something productive

>difficult to sleep

What the fuck do I do liberty?

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You have been the first board nominated.

This thread is intended to get

>20 person roster

>team emblem

>team uniform design

Let's have some fun

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1.progressives/liberals/globalists who assume everyone is equal and thus has to be treated exactly the same (but of course people are too stupid to rule themselves so bureaucrats and “intellectuals” have to step in and exercise power)

2. reactionaries/nationalists/fascists who believe people are naturally inequal and that some groups, parties or traits are more suited for various tasks - such as rulership.

I stand firmly with the second party. Nothing in nature is “equal” and human populations are extremely disparate in intelligence, temperament, and culture. The ideological basis for progressivism goes back to the early 1840s when certain protestant circles in various monocultural, monoethnic countries decided - based on biblical teachings - that all people were exactly the same because they all had souls. These same circles came up with ideas like “human rights” - inherent rights given to all humans equally by a creator - that are still believed in today even though the leadership of the progressive movements has turned to atheism.

Overall there is no basis to the first party if you’re not a protestant Christian

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If you can manufacture guns in your own house with 3D printing or CNC-machining, what else could you manufacture? A good chunk of patent law and manufacturing regulations might be nullified if these technologies are put to good use.

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>Donald trump buddy kayne west promoting Blacked on national Television

>((/pol)) and mods are desperate to damage control trump

How will ((/pol/)) damage control getting drafted to fight for Israel in the name of trump?

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If you think the OBAMACARE mandate is unconstitutional and thievery of the most outrageous kind…if you would like to see victims of this compensated for the money that was STOLEN from them….please sign this petition and pass it on!


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Can Australians be Liberians?

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lolbergs btfo


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most popular ancap memes

>what if the child consents tho

>recreational mcnukes and child slaves lmao

Do you think we have a PR problem?

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Libertarian Theonomy

Is theonomy the ultimate /liberty/ redpill? Are Rushdoony, North, and Hoppe correct in that Biblical law is the only means to achieve a truly libertarian society?

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Is there a resource standard comparable to metallism for the modern day? As metallism fell apart with national governments not being able to meet reserve requirements to back the printing of currency, and the debt and oil based system isn't very stable.

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This puts a whole new twist on the Mudpie Argument

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Johnny Neptune

Is this man the greatest libertarian or what? Does what he wants, takes no shit from anyone, lives on the street with complete freedom, and basically is his own boss. How is he not /ourguy/?

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if colonialism brings civilization and wealth why was in almost every colonized place there anti-colonial resistance movement? were all these people brainwashed by nationalism/socializm?

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Probably the biggest source of ridicule and mockery against the solvency, realism, and desirability of libertarianism I'm seeing right now is coming from right-wing populists, the alt-right, and paleocons furious about right-wing views and figures getting deplatformed on social media. They assert that hoping for free market fixes is delusional and shunning government regulation to force equal access on private companies is cucking to the left. The main thrust takes the form of one of the favored pillories against libertarian philosophy that "it looks great on paper but doesn't work in the real world."

But just what is the valid market-oriented solution to the informal collusion of left-wing power brokers seizing the means of communication to un-thing more and more of the right side of the political spectrum?

>Start your own social media alternative

1. Mobile services won't host you in their app stores.

2. DNS provider seizes your domain

3. Web host just up and leaves

>Well then raise funds for your own computing resources

Patreon, GoFundMe, and other crowdsourcing services drop you

>Then start your own alternative crowdsourcing service

Secure payment processors like PayPal and Stripe refuse to process your transactions


Credit card companies won't acknowledge you.

There does not appear to be any viable means of stopping this besides regulatory action. Whether it be breaking up tech company monopolies, revoking their Safe Harbor protections, or rescinding common carrier/neutral platform assumptions for these companies.

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Based thread

This is my thread. Don't post.

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This is unacceptable

Our board /fascist/ has been hacked and some are saying that your board was involved i am not pointing fingers but whoever has done this step forward and explain yourself this is not funny and is childish behaviour it will not be tolerated

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will everyone be better off in ancap?

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Hey everyone,

I created a board called /ecopol/ in order to facilitate discuss between the left and the right on ecological issues… if anyone here is ecosocialist, anprim, communalists, or just interested in the environment, please check it out!

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why are anonymous media (imageboards, comments sections) more right wing than nonanonymous media (facebook/twitter)?

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I suppose it's time. /b/, /pol/, and /leftypol/ have already permab& me, so let's see how libertine /liberty/ actually is.

/pol/'s shitposting campaign against pedophilia is gaining traction, especially since the legit rapists in the higher echelons of power are being exposed. Is there anything that can be done about this, or are the rest of you just doing what I do; hunkering down and wishin' a nigga would? Do you really believe the fag community is an ally to pedophiles, or do you think it's just another trick the same way it was in the 70s when they used NAMBLA to springboard them into the spotlight?

Are the bad times coming? Are you ready for them if they are? Chime in, /liberty/. Questions desire answers.

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Freedom doesn't exist anywhere.

Can't even shit post on /b/ without getting banned.

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Marxism hate thread

How does anyone fall for this shit?

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/LIBERTY BTFO ONCE AG- no, wait, he actually proves you guys right.

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Lysander Spooner: The Constitution Binds No One

One of the most interesting and challenging thinkers on Law in US history.

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Flag request

Is there any draw fags, that could change the nazi symbol in the middle to the flower of life symbol. I want a spiritual ancap flag. The pics are just for reference, just make it nice looking and make it blend together with the flag, add the snake around the flower of life for extra flare.

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What's better, improvised fishing equip enchanted to auto fish, or a simple golem made of twigs and pebbles that will fish?

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The Philosophies of Autism

"Objectivism is basically autism rebranded" - Sam Harris

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Rest in Peace

The Free State Project

2001 – 2018

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What can we do about gangstalking?

How do we prove who is actually behind it?

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How Universities Silence Truth—And What We Can Do About It | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

How Universities Silence Truth—And What We Can Do About It | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Misesmedia: Published Oct 8, 2015

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Ten Steps For Achieving A Libertarian Social Order - Hans-Hermann Hoppe

In three parts, illustrated by Matthew Drake.

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Serious question: what is the most ancap-tier anime?

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Peter Schiff Twice Shakes up Congressional Hearings

From one of the few people who both predicted the bubbles and busts of the housing market and others, and who was not suggesting to congress more government intervention or special treatment of powerful established industries.

Summary of the testimony by Schiff is in the first 12 minutes of the video.

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Since drug use and the sale of drugs should and would be legal in a libertarian society, but the sale of hard drugs like heroin and meth destroys lives and threatens the livelihood of the community, would it be applicable under tha NAP to murder hard drug sellers?

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hey anyone know more about this ??

apparently a patent was filed for this and some documents released however i cannot tell if fake or not

interesting nonetheless



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88888 GET

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>be me

>be ancap

>start company

>name it "N.H.K."

>people pay me to obtain a life-time "NEET" card

>owners of NEET cards have their rent, food, fuel, utility costs, healthcare, and other basic expenses taken care of, as well as getting a basic monthly income

>mfw I have invented a working version of socialism

It's literally flawless. Rate.

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How does it feel knowing that one of the founding fathers is a proto-communist?

>Why . . . does Mr. Burke talk of this House of Peers, as the pillar of the landed interest? Were that pillar to sink into the earth, the same landed property would continue, and the same ploughing, sowing, and reaping would go on. The Aristocracy are not the farmers who work the land . . . but are the mere consumers of the rent.

>Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came.

>if we examine the case minutely it will be found that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labour that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence.

>he states, “There are two kinds of property. Firstly, natural property,” in the land, air, and water of the earth, which the Creator gave all humanity an equal right to, and, secondly, “artificial or acquired property,” the products of labor of which “equality is impossible,” since that would require “that all should have contributed in the same proportion, which can never be the case.” He states, “Equality of natural property is the subject of this little essay. Every individual in the world is born therein with legitimate claims on a certain kind of property, or its equivalent.”

/liberty/ BTFO

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Which one do you press?

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Best economist of all time.

Any objections?

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How do we know the destruction of the low-income family hasn't been a good thing?

What I mean to say is, welfare benefits might have allowed low-income mothers to get by without drunk, violent, or abusive fathers who would have had a bad influence on the children. I'm not saying mothers don't also have those traits, but it happens to be mothers who almost always take care of them, so in reality it is the mothers who might be keeping out harmful men.

In any case, regardless of who's to blame, conflict between parents is always a bad thing in a house with children, so it's not necessarily the case that they'd be better off with the father in the house.

Of course fathers *can* provide a good influence, but this is not always the case, and it seems to me least likely to be the case in the lower income brackets.

Awaiting your thoughts on this /liberty/.

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Nice Q&A with Peter Thiel on innovation & the future, etc.

Good stuff.

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is singapore /ourguy/?

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The surprising science of alpha males

tldr: Those who try to dominate instead of work with/for others don't succeed for long, those who mediate and are good to others gain trust and support, which allows them to stay as leaders for a long time (and survive after they age).

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What Pisses Me Off About Endless Leftist Hysteria

Nice breakdown of those who choose hysteria and activism over trying to live decent lives.

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So you claim to be for liberty.

Let's see what gats you have.

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Peter Schiff on how minimum wage policies kill jobs

Nice explanation by Peter Schiff on the Joe Rogan podcast on how minimum wage was first pushed by racists, and how it decimated the American Samoan economy when it was pushed on them.

Cant seem to get the link to start when the segment starts, it's 5:42 in.

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What does /liberty/ think of Barry Goldwater? The right man at a wrong time or extremist?

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Why be ancap ?

Ancap is just a memes wake up, it's not real.