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Welcome to /liberty/!

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

2. "Shills"

While shills may exist, the intense paranoia and schizophrenic moderation and community policing of /pol/ shows how fear of these legendary creatures can completely disrupt a community. If someone is posting something that you disagree with, even if they're paid to do it, you still have the mental faculties to decide if their argument is a good one or not, or to double check their sources. Calling another person a mythical shillicorn does not automatically defeat their argument. As far as moderation policy goes, shills do not exist, even if they're real in your mind.

3. Authoritarians

If you're a fledgling fascist or bunker-loving communist, you're welcome to stick around - you cannot be banned for your opinions on this board. Just don't expect to be taken seriously - the reason this board exists is because we already know we don't like authoritarianism, and want to discuss things without authoritarians sticking their noses into everything as they are wont to do.

4. "I Called You X, I Win"

Simply calling someone a fascist/communist/authoritarian/statist/shill/Jew/Nazi/etc. does not "defeat" them. Git gud.

That takes care of the important stuff. This sticky is subject to be updated anytime!

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Resources for Liberty

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
A massive collection of anarchist literature.

Under Construction - Help build this list!

General Resources
Project Gutenberg
A compilation of free, out-of-copyright books and texts.

A compilation of free, out-of-copyright audiobooks created by volunteers.

iTunes Podcasts
History: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-history/id1462?mt=2
Government & Organizations: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-government-organizations/id1325?mt=2
News & Politics: https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/podcasts-news-politics/id1311?mt=2
Find podcasts with ease through iTunes. Listen to them on the way to work, playing vidja, etc.

Use iTunes to navigate to the iTunesU section to have access to university lectures and programs.

Interesting Reading
Works that are not necessarily about liberty, but may be of interest.

Marxists Internet Archive Library
A massive collection of Marxist literature.
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NAP Violation?

Did Orange Shirt dun diddly violate the NAP, /liberty/?

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>destroys capitalism

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is there such thing as european alt-right?

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How much longer do you think Taiwan will be able to hold on to its independence?

Do you think they will become a pawn in the Trump v. China trade spat?

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if things are getting better, why do I feel like I'm living in a dystopian shithole?

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Taiwan Police Apprehend 3-D Printed Gun Pioneer Accused Of Child Sex Abuse

Wilson, 30, was taken to immigration authorities in the capital by officers from Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau, according to local media reports and an official from the bureau who asked not to be named. However, two Taiwanese officials denied Wilson was arrested or in custody. His exact status was unclear.

Because his U.S. passport was later annulled, the agency’s statement said, he “no longer has the legal status to stay in Taiwan.”

Facing accusations of having sex with a minor, it appears that Cody Wilson, the man behind the 3-D Printable firearms company Defense Distributed, is somewhere in Taiwan being pursued by local police.

According to reporting by Chinese-language media outlet United Daily News, Wilson has skipped his flight home to the U.S. and has attempted to rent an apartment in Taiwan. He appears to have initially passed himself off as an American student living in the city but has since been turned away by a prospected landlord who recognized him and called the authorities.

United Daily News reports that area police and Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau are now trying to locate Wilson.

On Wednesday, Police in Austin Texas announced that they had a warrant out for the arrest of the 3D-printed gun pioneer on allegations of sexual assault of an underage girl. Investigators say both Wilson and the young girl met through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com and were spotted at an Austin Hotel.

The department revealed that Wilson’s last known location was Taipei, Taiwan but that authorities were unsure whether the 30-year-old had gone to Taiwan on legitimate business or whether he was expressly trying to flee the United States.

“We can’t confirm any of the [Taiwan] reports just yet; no updates planned for today,” Lisa Cortinas, a spokeswoman for the Austin Police Department, told ArsTechnica on Thursday afternoon.

The Taiwan News has also reported that Wilson is on the ground in Taiwan, having been spotted at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Taipei after arriving in the city on September 6. However, they report that Wilson checked out the next day.

Wilson, who has recently won a legal battle against the State Department, a court decision which has pissed off Attorney Generals across the United States, has relentlessly pursued his principled passion for disseminating 3-D printable gun blueprints to the general public.

After a federal judge in Seattle blocked Defense Distributed from having the gun blueprints available to anyone free of price, Wilson jumped through a loophole, placing them for sale in order to keep them available.


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tell me the most redpill thing you know

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Mises University

Anyone else applying for this summer's course?

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/pol/ says that women suffrage was done by Joos to make labour force cheaper because women started working and men had competition in labour market

i think it was stef who said that taxes rose and men could not earn enough to provide whole family a living and in this way women were forced into labour force

what do you think about these explainations?

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Libertarianism from First Principles

How many libertarians are actually principled?

Few in the National LP from my angle. What do I mean by principled? I mean you don't arrive at your conclusions haphazardly with ur feelz, but with an "unbreakable" chain of logical truths. Science bitches!

Check out the embedded (((YouTube))) video by Shane Killian for a good breakdown.

I know I considered myself a libertarian for years before I understood wtf they meant by "principle".

But once you're principled, every single libertarian position is self-evident to you (with some notable exceptions like abortion) and you become one consistent motherfucker. Once you get to this point, the LP almost seems like a joke: "the party of principle" my ass!

But hey, at least the intent is there in the motto. And look, holding onto principle can be fucking difficult. The political winds will blow you right the fuck away. If you don't hold on tight, you will you be forcing jew grannies to bake nazi cakes at gunpoint, before you know it.

Isn't principle what really separates us from the statist sheep and LINOS? Doesn't it elevate our political ethos above a simple ideology? We don't "believe" this, we just acknowledge fundamental truths as such.

So, what do you liberty anons think?

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OC dump thread

Lets have a thread for editing, memes, webms, art requests and delivers, etc.

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The great thing about you /liberty/ retards is that you're exactly as retarded as the /leftypol/ retards. Whereas /leftypol/ retards pride themselves in a moralist (pseudo-)critique of capitalism that only centers itself around notions of justice; of 'fair' distribution, the main man they claim to have stand as their authority figure on their opinion, Karl Marx, thinks they're all gigantic morons who haven't noticed that the central point of tension is not between the labourer and capitalist, i.e. the transhistorical and merely abstract character masks within the division of labour, but between labour and capital themselves.

In this text, Marx berates a leftist idiot (Adolph Wagner) for contorting his writings into a book that wholly misrepresents his views, producing takedowns and corrections of his bullshit such as this:


>What a “subtraction from the worker” is, subtraction of his skin, etc., is not evident. At any rate, in my presentation even, “profit on capital” is in actual fact not “a subtraction from, or robbery of, the worker.” On the contrary, I depict the capitalist as the necessary functionary of capitalist production and demonstrate at great length that he not only “subtracts” or “robs” but enforces the production of surplus value, thus first helping to create what is to be subtracted; what is more, I demonstrate in detail that even if only equivalents were exchanged in the exchange of commodities, the capitalist—as soon as he pays the worker the real value of his labour-power—would have every right, i.e. such right as corresponds to this mode of production, to surplus-value.


>The obscure man falsely attributes to me the view that “the surplus-value produced by the workers alone remains, in an unwarranted manner, in the hands of the capitalist entrepreneurs” (Note 3, p. 114). In fact I say the exact opposite: that the production of commodities must necessarily become “capitalist” production of commodities at a certain point, and that according to the law of value governing it, the “surplus-value” rightfully belongs to the capitalist and not the worker. …

So rest assured, both you and the leftist idiots are not just equally as stupid, but the LARPing internet idiots you find on the internet not only currently stand outside of any level of class struggle and the Marxist understanding of class struggle, but always will find themselves there so long as they operate on the moralising plane of their critiques.

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if things are getting better, why do I feel like I'm living in a dystopian nightmare?

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/liberty/ btfo once again holy shit

Even the normalfags that make games understand what goverment is and you autist don't lmao


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meanwhile in european (((universities)))

>Whiteness. Race and the shifting codes of social privilege

>The aim of the course is to examine the concept of whiteness and its functioning in different historical, social and cultural contexts. During our classes we will analyse ways in which whiteness is constructed within changing systems of status hierarchy and pose a question about its relationship to a category of race. We will draw on theoretical approaches adopted in „whiteness studies”, discuss the origins and development of this research field and relate it to wider studies on ethnicity, race and racism. Referring to the works of sociologists, historians and anthropologists we will show how whiteness has organized and defined different forms of social privileged that is still perpetuated by the cultural patterns of valorisation operating in Western and non-Western societies. In this context we will also discuss whiteness in connection with issues such as culturally conditioned perception of the body and ideals of beauty, whiteness and class, whiteness and gender, whiteness and colorism. During the course we will not only focus on scholarly works but will also consider representations and problematizations of whiteness that can be found in literature, visual arts, film or advertising.

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Inalienable Rights?

Do you believe in inalienable rights? If so, how do you know that these rights exist? It's easy to say that these rights are inalienable and God-given, but can you provide any sort of evidence for their existence, or a reason why I should believe in them?

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i fucking love based korwin


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itt news that make you angery

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Ethical questions for NAPpers

For a libertarian, what is the moral status of buying U.S. federal government treasuries?

For those that believe that fractional reserve banking is the cause of the boom bust cycle, what is the moral status of having a checking account with a bank that does not have 100% reserves?

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Midterms Thread (Remember to vote!)

I'm making this thread in preparation for the midterms to raise awareness for voting; if we want to make the USA a truly free place as it was meant to be, we all need to vote for people who want to make that happen. /liberty/ isn't the largest board on the website, but there are still people here who can help to make a difference. I know a lot of us are going to vote but there still might be those who can be encouraged, hence why I'm making this thread. Another reason is so we can talk about good candidates and figure out the best choices for each state.

Living in New Hampshire, which is already a fairly free state, someone going by Aaron Day has popped up and he's interested in doing a lot to make the state better. I'm planning on voting for him; I don't want Chris Sununu in charge of my home any longer.

The New Hampshire primaries are on

>September 11th

and the general voting is on

>November 6th

It's a smaller state so I'm not sure if many people here live in NH but for those of you who do, those are the dates. Anyways, lets discuss the midterms and what we can do to raise votes to make a freer America!

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What does liberty think about the Israel/Palestine Conflict?

The Palestinians lost a lot of land to Israel while they are caged up like animals. However them chimping out gives Israel the excuse to lob bombs their way and play victim. It seems like a two state solution would be the only answer but neither side seems to want to cooperate.

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The Uniqueness of Western Civilization | Ricardo Duchesne and Stefan Molyneux

One of the rare modern-day sociologists who is not a SJW (as a former marxist he knows how to refute them). A pretty good interview, shedding light on how much the west has actually contributed to human sociology and science, protestations of the cultural marxists aside.

>Book Summary: "This extensively researched book argues that the development of a libertarian culture was an indispensable component of the rise of the West. The roots of the West's superior intellectual and artistic creativity should be traced back to the aristocratic warlike culture of Indo-European speakers. Among the many fascinating topics discussed are: the ascendancy of multicultural historians and the degradation of European history; China's ecological endowments and imperial windfalls; military revolutions in Europe 1300-1800; the science and chivalry of Henry the Navigator; Judaism and its contribution to Western rationalism; the cultural richness of Max Weber versus the intellectual poverty of Pomeranz, Wong, Goldstone, Goody, and A.G. Frank; change without progress in the East; Hegel's Phenomenology of the [Western] Spirit; Nietzsche and the education of the Homeric Greeks; Kojeve's master-slave dialectic and the Western state of nature; Christian virtues and German aristocratic expansionism."

>Dr. Ricardo Duchesne is a historical sociologist, a professor at the University of New Brunswick and the author of “The Uniqueness of Western Civilization,” “Faustian Man in a Multicultural Age” and “Canada In Decay: Mass Immigration, Diversity, and the Ethnocide of Euro-Canadians.”

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Five questions for statists (Larken Rose)

Five simple questions to clarify your thinking and challenge tyranny.

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Random Image Dump

It's like a regular image dump, but random.

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Nathaniel Branden on Self-Esteem and Libertarianism

From the ex-lover of Ayn Rand, and a quality guy in general. (RIP)

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They’re scum. Let’s bring the hate, /liberty/.

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Why are you a libertarian? Why is liberty so important to you?

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investment help

How do I start investing in order to increase my property regardless of how any fiat goes?

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>socks are equally valuable to an amputee because it took labor to make them

How can anyone actually believe this?

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QTDDTOT - /don't thread on me/

Questions that don't deserve their own thread, physical removal edition.

Firstly, how does the taking care of children (or the charity in which you take care of retards) work in ancapistan? Is preventing your kid and/or retard from doing dangerous shit interruption of their nap, or does the implied contract one has with kids/commies make it okay?

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How would an AnCap society deal with Red Market Activities?

How would an AnCap society deal with activities like forced trafficking, organ theft, and assassination markets? With the advent of bitcoin, it gives great freedom but also great anonymity. Enough to start creating an assassination market.


This is not meant as a gotcha but I legitimately thinking of writing a story on the subject. Mainly having that AnCap society not being one society, but several societies that each have their own culture and way of doing things much like Libertarians themselves. You could have libertarians with a more marshal honor culture based off of Hans Herman Hoppe or hippie communes based off of someone like Jeffrey Tucker. My story will be about how the society deals with issues like these. I don't want to give out to many details as to not have ideas stolen.

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Join us today

Join the fight today

We will not be silenced

Now its Alex Jones off youtube and facebook. Who's next and whats next? Breitbart? Fox? Next thing 45 is kicked off twitter!

Let them have their failing sites, and help Qtech build 1791 (the year we established the 1st amendment), a shining beacon for the free speech movement.

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We realized that the liberal cucks can't stop us if we're all anonymous. We've already raised the money for anonymous registration, and the initial deposit for a datacenter lease. We need storage, and funding for a long term unbreakable datacenter lease to make this happen and everyone can help.

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Make sure you send to the right address, we have to get this done now and get it done RIGHT!

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We know the truth and they can't silence us anymore!

Updates coming tomorrow at this same time!

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Is it compatible with libertarianism? Is there such a thing as nationalist libertarianism?

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/r/ picrel how mainstream media shill antinatalism regarding whites and pronatalism regarding nonwhites

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Ancap social boundaries

Thread about spiritual ancap community problems. I run a spiritual ancap community, and while doing so problems arise, especially leadership and self governing problems. I made a post explaining the manipulation that can arise if you are not in the leadership role all the time, because people always want to control. (((Here is the full post))) https://www.patreon.com/posts/social-20712261

Working in different groups have taught me, to set up strong social boundaries. Because some people see kindness and compassion as being weak or vulnerable. They misuse the kindness and openness you give them and try to control the group or you.

Because they are not used to living free and open. They try to manipulate and gaslight you.

(So what does this word mean? "Gaslighting" is used to describe abusive behavior, specifically when an abuser manipulates information in such a way as to make a victim question his or her sanity and twist words upside . Gaslighting intentionally makes someone doubt their actions, beliefs, or perception of reality.)

From now on, if anyone is gaslighting, being manipulative, abusing my kindness, being irresponsible, or not respecting me and my friends. And being a drain on community resources and time.

Then they get 1 chance to change their behavior or else its out of the community. This is not a free loading place, here action is taken.

Many people that come here, have lost their own sense of leadership and they want me to tell them how to wipe their own asses, then I say If you want that kind of leadership, stay in your current society where everyone tells you how to wipe your own ass. Learn to take power back in your own hands, and do things because you want to help, not because I told you to help .

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Free Banking

It seems most of us here agree with Rothbard that fractional-reserve banks are inherently fraudulent and wouldn't exist in a free market. Anyone take the "free banking" view, that private banks need not maintain 100% reserves, and it's not only permissible but beneficial for banks to loan out their obligations? If so, what's the answer for how such a system would work on the market? The way I see it, there's a pretty strong market incentive to maintain 100% reserve, because the moment any one bank starts to expand its credit, other banks would notice this, and it would be in their interest to cash in obligations held with that bank, and force a run. What's the free-banking response to this?

Also general banking thread

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Who was in the wrong here?

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Good or bad?

>The United States and Mexico agreed on Monday to overhaul the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), putting pressure on Canada to agree to new terms on auto trade and dispute settlement rules to remain part of the three-nation pact.

>Auto stocks soared and financial markets firmed on the expectation that Canada would sign on to the deal by the end of the week and ease the economic uncertainty caused by U.S. President Donald Trump’s repeated threats that he would ditch the 1994 accord.

>But details of gains and concessions in the deal were only starting to emerge on Monday, and Trump threatened he still could put tariffs on Canadian-made cars if Canada did not join its neighbors.


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Which is the most effective means to usher in a voluntary society in the long run?

The methods I've seen on /liberty/ so far are:

>Working within the state to enact reforms, educating the masses, and/or peaceful demonstrations

>Libertarian homesteading on sea/space/terra nullius

>Participating in the black/gray market to undermine state control of the economy

>Bunkering down with ample supplies and ammo and waiting for government to collapse

>Armed struggle followed by a temporary regime to purge collectivism and reorient society along voluntary lines

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>pope francesco


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Digital First Amendment Bull

This is a bit late to the party but these threads last forever on this board so whatever. Since Alex Jones got kicked off of four platforms in mere days of each other, as well as conservatives getting shadowbanned and actually banned on social media, people are actually calling for the First Amendment to cover Social Media. "Small government" conservatives want to get the government to run social media or prevent private companies from banning people they like because they are a "monopoly". This is stupid because as us libertyfags know, government sucks at running most if not everything.

However, these tech giants like Twitter and Facebook have set a bad precedent with banning Alex Jones. It was a stupid decision because it just confirms all the conspiracies about the "elite" Alex Jones has been cooking up over the past few years. It also makes him into a martyr that hurts their image. This will likely have two possibilities. A, the Trump run government will likely take partial control of social media ruining it, or B the right just goes to Gab, Vidme, Bitchute, etc. creating two sets of echo chambers. One for the left and one for the right. This would make things worse for politics as people will no longer talk to each other, further increasing tension in an already politically fractured USA.

Thoughts, solutions, missed points?

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Social Democracy for the 21st Century

Pick any article you want and debunk it. Go on, don't be shy.

Debunking Austrian Economics 101 (Updated):


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China bank bust

The chings have chonged again

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How do you grow the money supply without central banking?

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The alt-right is where the intellectual wing of the libertarian movement goes to die. This accelerating downward spiral into esoteric nonsense and spiritual absolutism is an anathema to any political ideology that wants to maintain an upward trend in the public discourse. I would like to add a corollary to the heuristic for movements that are not explicitly right-wing moving left, and that is that any movement that loses touch with methodology drifts towards vague appeals based upon aesthetics. And it's also really gaaaaaaaaaay.

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you like liberty? join my discord https://discord.gg/Y7Rm8Y

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Did the CSA have a right to secede from the voluntarily entered into union of states of which it was formally a part of?

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Liberalism are the modern day millenials or modern day hippies advocating LGBT, same sex marriage, premarital sex, political correctness, atheism, agnosticism

Leftism are the socialists and communists like in China, Norh Korea and Latin America

Like what Dr. Michael Savage said: Liberalism is a mental disorders. Can you guess what leftism is?

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"I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone - if possible - Jew, Gentile - black man - white. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….

"The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world - millions of despairing men, women, and little children - victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

"To those who can hear me, I say - do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed - the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish. …..

"Soldiers! don’t give yourselves to brutes - men who despise you - enslave you - who regiment your lives - tell you what to do - what to think and what to feel! Who drill you - diet you - treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts! You don’t hate! Only the unloved hate - the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

"In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: “the Kingdom of God is within man” - not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people have the power - the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

"Then - in the name of democracy - let us use that power - let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world - a decent world that will give men a chance to work - that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfil that promise. They never will!

"Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfil that promise! Let us fight to free the world - to do away with national barriers - to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers! in the name of democracy, let us all unite!"

I'd like to know your thoughts, /liberty/. Whether you agree or disagree, chime in.

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Post 'em if you got 'em

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/liberty/ power level

Have this above my bed and a Gun Owners of America sticker on my truck

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Happy Liberty day!

Three cheers for Don Augusto!

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Who would you, /liberty/?

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(1) showering / taking a bath is unpleasant as it needs effort

(2) one does not feel one's stink

it leads to conclusion that

>everyone who showers /takes a bath does it for others being in this way altruistic


>everyone who showers /takes a bath is a conformist


>if you shower / take a bath you are a normie

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>/leftypol/ tries to make a gun

>it explodes in your hand

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deontological vs consequentialist libertarianism


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What skyrim mods does /liberty/ uses?

It tells more about you thank you think.

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How did he got his army?

>tfw no taller, submissive witch gf

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have you heard/read about him? what do you think about him?

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Wish globalism became the dominant ideology so we could muster all of our resources and explore space, such a shame. But it seems we, as a world, aren’t ready for this yet. The radical leftists and rightists want to destroy everything for a society they want, and you all want your “precious” individual freedoms which deter even the slightest human progress.

The only way we can truly prosper is if the human race gives into ultimate centralization.

So, do me a favor and continue to vote mainstream so we can get this underway, freedomfags. Oh and invest more into cryptocurrency. It is, after all, for the greater good that you do.

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Just trust the government you dumb fucks.

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How did Keynesian Economics become Mainstream

>Paying people to dig ditches and fill them back up again is gainful employment

>We shouldn't be worried about the long term because "we'll all be dead"

>WW2 and/or the New Deal ended the depression

>We need a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble

>A trillion dollar coin could pay off the national debt

>Letting the market fix itself is ridiculous so we need an alien invasion to create fiscal stimulus

>20 trillion in debt isn't a problem because its the money we owe to ourselves

How did Keynesian economics become mainstream to the point people unironically say "believing in Keynes is like believing in Darwin"?

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>kill the tsar

>distribute land equally between peasants

>90% of peasants are idiots that don't produce excess for sale

>the remaining 10% are entrepreneurial and as a result become rich

>forcibly amalgamate the two classes under state control

>kill the 10% that knew how to run the farms properly as "capitalists"

>plan fails utterly and state has to import food

>some people are more skilled and talented than others

>however cannot allow them to participate in a marketplace as this would allow them to be rich

>set up nationwide system of redistribution to try and ensure that enough gets to those who are skilled while never allocating them to much so that the wealth is equally shared

>clever managers learn how to falsify reports to central administration to receive excess material shipments

>instead of hording currency individuals simply horde goods that they don't need to sell in times of shortage

>entire system is ridiculously slow and criticism of its functioning is forbidden

>ramp up military production to try and compete with capitalist arms buildup

>consumer goods production into the shitter

>food imports stop due to embargo


>some idiots half the world away think that this will still work again

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Property is theft.

>A man whom it would be forbidden to pass on the highways, to stop in the fields, to shelter in caves, to light a fire, to pick wild berries, to gather herbs and to boil them in a piece of terra-cotta, this man could not live. Thus the land, like water, air, and light, is an object of first necessity, of which everyone must freely use, without harming the enjoyment of others; why is the land appropriate?

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Qu'est ce que la propriété?

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Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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How do we fool these losers into becoming capitalists?

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Let me convince you of Ayn Rand's Objectivism

I've studied and lived Oism for a decade and want to convince others of its arguments.

Short summary:

Metaphysics: Existence is as it is - there are no contradictions

Epistemology: Reality can be known via the senses

Ethics: You live for your own happiness (as a human being).

Politics: Free market capitalism (

Aesthetics: Realistic art that shows and idealizes how things really are

(Related points: humans have free will and are born with a blank slate and no obligations to others)

Ask away

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>no taxes

>recreational nukes

>crypto currency

Is NK ancap?

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any other schizotypals here?

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anon, have you ever had problems with cops/law?

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assuming there are only 2 sexes

>female sex is the most consumptionistic sex

and simultaneously

>female sex is the most anti-capitalist sex


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Revenge of the Saltmines -

Truly-American meme war! Roblox is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless anti-meme Lord, George Soros. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

The song dives into a college student suffering from Donald Trumpism, worst disease of it's kind. Donald Trump has won the presidential office and is taking names. Crybaby is left in a constant state of sadness, only aided on by her school classmastes.

The only way to absorb the full meaning of my video is to…


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on creating ancapistan

What do you think of the idea of creating ancapistan irl? I'm sure it must have been discussed before. It would of course only be a state in the eyes of statists, and different communities would of course have different relations to other countries. The largest problem would of course be aquiring land, and I think the two best solutions would be either international waters or nonland. Nonland isn't much of an alternative, as it's basically just LARPing. So, so far it seems to be best to go like Sealand and be positioned within international waters. Of course, the non-abundance of land on an oil rig or artificial island would deem it difficult to have different communitites in the beginning. But, as long as we have some criteria on who can join ancapistan's existing land (no statists and other fags etc.), it wouldn't be much of a problem. Also, in other to seem like we're not only larping, I propose naming it something else than ancapistan. Say, if we decided on water, it could be named (New) Atlantis or something, idk.

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would poland be better off never to develop its statehood? both russia and germany are more liberty oriented in some aspects when compared to poland, in some they are not…

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>go to /pol/

>say I fucked a little girl

<you're not whiiiiiiiiiiiite!

<the FBI or CIA is gonna get you!

What the how?

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Why don't we make it so citizenship comes from your parents, and not from just being born in the US? No more anchor babies.

We do it this way with foreign spouses becoming citizens.

Also make English the de jure language of the US.

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>ancap/libertarian global dating website


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Hey guys

Extremely poor, unemployed, disabled American here. I grew up poor and in a broken home. Just wanted to pop in and say thanks for working 12 hours a day so you can pay for my benefits. It's really nice of you. If only i was able to work, i'd stop living on unemployment, but unfortunately i have a few mental illnesses from the abuse and negligence and businesses refuse to hire me. I live in Smalltown USA™ and every employer knows who i am (nepotism is rampant here) so i'd have to go out of town for a job, but honestly i don't think it's worth it. Thanks again!

P.S. - stop paying taxes any time!

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Hello, I would like to see how dead this board is and should I settle here. So let's start with a simple question: how would we deal with random bullets whizzing by in a libertarian society? Say there is a small gang war going on inb4 gangs are caused by gibment intervention, have it that it's some arctic cool religious war between esoteric racial presbiterians and the Southern Pentacostal Law Church and people are buying groceries and unpasteurised milk on the market (without [™] because IP is laughable). No one means any harm, but bullets fly and it is not clear who is responsible for bystander deaths as cameras are a breech of privacy and all. Who would you sue/shoot at if your slave got injured in such circumstances? TL;DR: personal forcefield anti-high velocity projectile shieldbelts when

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/liberty/ image dump

Gib all your /liberty/-related memes and visual arguments for free a few (you)s and your picks within the dump. This is voluntary sharing, and is therefore outlawed in several countries. Share and save at your own risk.

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How does a libertarian society manage war against a state aggressor?

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/libertstrips/ thread

Post 'em if you got 'em.

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/r/ execution of raid threads like >>88813




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> world-systems theory


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Russia and the transformation from socialism to capitalism

How does /liberty/ explain the catastrophic development of Russia after the deconstruction of socialism? Remember that during the early Yeltsin period, the free market in Russia was almost anarchic, state institutions almost collapsed, and private oligarchs appropriated most of the state's property, quickly establishing a new capitalist class in Russia. Yet it had negative consequences: Life expectancy sank so much it killed almost 6 million people, GDP collapsed beyond repair, infrastructure crumpled, employees were laid off everywhere, massive increase in alcoholism and domestic violence, end of the almost 100% literary rate, shortages, inflation, the loss of the super power status. Sure Putin's Russia alleviated some of the most urgent problems, but he did so through putting a stop to the privatizations and propping up some kind of state capitalism, but it's still far beyond what it had once been. There is still corruption, poverty and economically Russia is a gas station first and foremost.

I mean, what did the USSR provide? Steady economic growth (YES there was stagnation in the Brezhnev period but it is meant that economic growth wasn't as high as it was before, not actual stagnation), full employment, super power, development of nuclear fusion, no homelessness. Of course there were problems, such as the fact that the Soviet cybersin program was abandoned just like the "Soviet internet" as it threatened the power of some of the bureaucrats, which means yes, there were structural deficits, but that doesn't change that the Soviet economy put the people first. Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS

If that would have been implemented, USSR could have gone beyond money and a more cybernetic distribution of goods.

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>nick land


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>no state-mandated gf


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kelthuz on dtube


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Why aren't you f/a/ggots listening to Smug Radio?


Niggers better be listening.

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Daily reminder to drink your Schweppes.

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why dont right-wingers read books?

>thomas sowell




>bell curve

it is almost as if … ring wingers have low IQ or something!

also, lolbergs always whine on about "muh economics", yet there is no respected austrian economist today!

all right wing books are high school level, while lefty books are only for the academic individual, such as Adorno / Horkheimer / Marcuse / Foucault and many others. How come you do not even know what their views are? It is almost as if you have simplistic views "grug want market rock" tier.

why havent yall killed yourselves yet, brainlets?


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Why do Nationalists conveniently forget that Jews are demonstrably self-hating and self-defeating when they point out that there are Jews present in the foundation or development of modern economics and individualism? It seems like a really convenient fact that Nationalists leverage frequently (typically to tie in Jews self-designating themselves as white and then expressing anti-white sentiments to their Jewishness) so I'm not sure why they bother pretending otherwise.

That is, of course, working in the assumption that Jewishness informs their beliefs for or against a common Jewish purpose, which also assumes a lot. Modern genetic theory would instead imply that Jewish predisposition to either central planning or much more rarely radical individualism could be the product of high-IQ and pervasive personality traits that influence such beliefs somewhat deterministically, which is also another convenient fact that Nationalists leverage frequently.

I mean, I'm structuring this with a really blatant argument in mind, that people are subverting reasonable hatred for the status quo into an even more pro-government fervor "for the right reasons this time, promise, win wink", but maybe there are perfectly reasonable explanations for the hypocrisy and I just missed them, so if you have any, please help out.

natural disclaimer: I would take a /pol/shitposter nationalist government over a bunch of gommies trying to do the same thing any day of the week and this should be taken more as intra-faction nitpicking than actual 'dude btfo lmao' content.

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Why did the Confederates lose?

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The "Intellectual Dark Web" website


Not all of those listed are libertarians, but much more libertarian-minded than most of the "thought leaders" in power now across the world today, and much more rational too. (Generally they are trying to dismantle the ideology of the authoritarian left, either directly or indirectly.)

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What will you do after ancap?

While some people make it their whole lives, I only see politics as a means to an end. A government (or lack thereof), only exists to protect the prosperity of its people so that they can focus on their dreams and goals without worrying about the minutiae of infrastructure and invading barbarians. I think too many people forget that and come to see political bickering as the end all be all of their existence, and have no plans to venture beyond the charted waters of government. But not me, and I hope not you either.

When the revolution comes and goes and the states are all deposed and we set up and tune up the proper order of things, what will you do then? Where do you want to go once the great task is complete? For me, I want to open myself a bakery in a small town, and have it be a gathering place for all the locals to come and socialize and make friends and share experiences. And I want to find myself a wife who's sweeter than everything else in the shop.

What will you do, anons? Where will you go when you're no longer needed on the battlefield?

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Hey everyone,

I created a board called /ecopol/ in order to facilitate discuss between the left and the right on ecological issues… if anyone here is ecosocialist, anprim, communalists, etc… please check it out!


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I hate status quoians

>be me

>be savagely individualist since birth

>be raised in modern socialist US

>hate everyone

>buy gun

>police take gun

>hate neighbors

>make neighbors angry (probably my fault actually, but fuck them)

>people start following me home from work, coworkers gaslight constantly

>walk out on low paying jobs because they suck

>people start driving by my house at night

>get college funding, move back in with parents

>jobless fat uncle hates me, berates me in front of mother

>mother kicks his fat ass out. house instantly better, fat uncle homeless now

>fat uncle is respected in the community, denounces me, often tails me where I go

>get a temporary job, and have to walk out next day because all the coworkers do is play fuckbuck games on me

>for some reason people are mad that I am engaging in capitalist non-association or something. >People start drive by honking my house

>Fucking hate all of them even more. Engage in possibly illegal activities.

>get arrested (possibly illegally arrested I found out later)

>get bailed

>phone hacked, hear honks on other side of call (It was my lawyer I was calling)

>literally want to kill people (nothing out of the ordinary really)

>be forced to attend probation

>can't stand having to be in a room with fat bitch who pretends she is actually doing something productive

>difficult to sleep

What the fuck do I do liberty?

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You have been the first board nominated.

This thread is intended to get

>20 person roster

>team emblem

>team uniform design

Let's have some fun

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1.progressives/liberals/globalists who assume everyone is equal and thus has to be treated exactly the same (but of course people are too stupid to rule themselves so bureaucrats and “intellectuals” have to step in and exercise power)

2. reactionaries/nationalists/fascists who believe people are naturally inequal and that some groups, parties or traits are more suited for various tasks - such as rulership.

I stand firmly with the second party. Nothing in nature is “equal” and human populations are extremely disparate in intelligence, temperament, and culture. The ideological basis for progressivism goes back to the early 1840s when certain protestant circles in various monocultural, monoethnic countries decided - based on biblical teachings - that all people were exactly the same because they all had souls. These same circles came up with ideas like “human rights” - inherent rights given to all humans equally by a creator - that are still believed in today even though the leadership of the progressive movements has turned to atheism.

Overall there is no basis to the first party if you’re not a protestant Christian

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If you can manufacture guns in your own house with 3D printing or CNC-machining, what else could you manufacture? A good chunk of patent law and manufacturing regulations might be nullified if these technologies are put to good use.

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>Donald trump buddy kayne west promoting Blacked on national Television

>((/pol)) and mods are desperate to damage control trump

How will ((/pol/)) damage control getting drafted to fight for Israel in the name of trump?

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If you think the OBAMACARE mandate is unconstitutional and thievery of the most outrageous kind…if you would like to see victims of this compensated for the money that was STOLEN from them….please sign this petition and pass it on!


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Can Australians be Liberians?

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lolbergs btfo


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most popular ancap memes

>what if the child consents tho

>recreational mcnukes and child slaves lmao

Do you think we have a PR problem?

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Libertarian Theonomy

Is theonomy the ultimate /liberty/ redpill? Are Rushdoony, North, and Hoppe correct in that Biblical law is the only means to achieve a truly libertarian society?

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Is there a resource standard comparable to metallism for the modern day? As metallism fell apart with national governments not being able to meet reserve requirements to back the printing of currency, and the debt and oil based system isn't very stable.

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This puts a whole new twist on the Mudpie Argument

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Johnny Neptune

Is this man the greatest libertarian or what? Does what he wants, takes no shit from anyone, lives on the street with complete freedom, and basically is his own boss. How is he not /ourguy/?

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City Planning/Zoning

Are there cities that have no or at least minimal city planning and zoning? What are they like?

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if colonialism brings civilization and wealth why was in almost every colonized place there anti-colonial resistance movement? were all these people brainwashed by nationalism/socializm?

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Probably the biggest source of ridicule and mockery against the solvency, realism, and desirability of libertarianism I'm seeing right now is coming from right-wing populists, the alt-right, and paleocons furious about right-wing views and figures getting deplatformed on social media. They assert that hoping for free market fixes is delusional and shunning government regulation to force equal access on private companies is cucking to the left. The main thrust takes the form of one of the favored pillories against libertarian philosophy that "it looks great on paper but doesn't work in the real world."

But just what is the valid market-oriented solution to the informal collusion of left-wing power brokers seizing the means of communication to un-thing more and more of the right side of the political spectrum?

>Start your own social media alternative

1. Mobile services won't host you in their app stores.

2. DNS provider seizes your domain

3. Web host just up and leaves

>Well then raise funds for your own computing resources

Patreon, GoFundMe, and other crowdsourcing services drop you

>Then start your own alternative crowdsourcing service

Secure payment processors like PayPal and Stripe refuse to process your transactions


Credit card companies won't acknowledge you.

There does not appear to be any viable means of stopping this besides regulatory action. Whether it be breaking up tech company monopolies, revoking their Safe Harbor protections, or rescinding common carrier/neutral platform assumptions for these companies.

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Based thread

This is my thread. Don't post.

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This is unacceptable

Our board /fascist/ has been hacked and some are saying that your board was involved i am not pointing fingers but whoever has done this step forward and explain yourself this is not funny and is childish behaviour it will not be tolerated

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will everyone be better off in ancap?

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Liberty BTFO

<JC Denton: Despite all I’ve read about the Triads, I wasn’t prepared to see them operating in the open, on the streets, and wearing uniforms. Doesn’t the Chinese government care?

>Isaac: The Chinese leave Hong Kong alone. They barricade the roads to control trade to the mainland, but they know how business is done."

<JC Denton: I would think the secret smuggling operations of the Triads would disturb the Chinese government.

>Isaac: Maybe the Luminous Path, but China knows that the Red Arrow are business owners, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and that they protect the city from outside influences.

<JC Denton: You said 'outside influences.' What does China fear?

>Isaac: China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing - unlike U.N.-governed countries - to give its people the freedom to do what they want.

<JC Denton: As long as they don’t break the law.

>Isaac: Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only financial power.

<JC Denton: Our governments have limited power by design.

>Isaac: Rhetoric–and you believe it! Don’t you know where those slogans come from?

<JC Denton: I give up.

>Isaac: Well-paid researchers - how do you say it? - 'think tanks,' funded by big businesses. What is that? A 'think tank'?

<JC Denton: Hardly as sinister as a dictator, like China’s Premier.

>Isaac: It’s privately-funded propaganda. The Trilateral Commission in the United States for instance.

<JC Denton: The separation of powers acknowledges the petty ambitions of individuals; that’s its strength.

>Isaac: A system organized around the weakest qualities of individuals will produce these same qualities in its leaders.

<JC Denton: Perhaps certain qualities are an inseparable part of human nature.

>Isaac: The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization.

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Hey everyone,

I created a board called /ecopol/ in order to facilitate discuss between the left and the right on ecological issues… if anyone here is ecosocialist, anprim, communalists, or just interested in the environment, please check it out!

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why are anonymous media (imageboards, comments sections) more right wing than nonanonymous media (facebook/twitter)?

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I suppose it's time. /b/, /pol/, and /leftypol/ have already permab& me, so let's see how libertine /liberty/ actually is.

/pol/'s shitposting campaign against pedophilia is gaining traction, especially since the legit rapists in the higher echelons of power are being exposed. Is there anything that can be done about this, or are the rest of you just doing what I do; hunkering down and wishin' a nigga would? Do you really believe the fag community is an ally to pedophiles, or do you think it's just another trick the same way it was in the 70s when they used NAMBLA to springboard them into the spotlight?

Are the bad times coming? Are you ready for them if they are? Chime in, /liberty/. Questions desire answers.

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Freedom doesn't exist anywhere.

Can't even shit post on /b/ without getting banned.

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Marxism hate thread

How does anyone fall for this shit?

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/LIBERTY BTFO ONCE AG- no, wait, he actually proves you guys right.

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Lysander Spooner: The Constitution Binds No One

One of the most interesting and challenging thinkers on Law in US history.

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Flag request

Is there any draw fags, that could change the nazi symbol in the middle to the flower of life symbol. I want a spiritual ancap flag. The pics are just for reference, just make it nice looking and make it blend together with the flag, add the snake around the flower of life for extra flare.

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What's better, improvised fishing equip enchanted to auto fish, or a simple golem made of twigs and pebbles that will fish?

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The Philosophies of Autism

"Objectivism is basically autism rebranded" - Sam Harris

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Rest in Peace

The Free State Project

2001 – 2018

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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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What can we do about gangstalking?

How do we prove who is actually behind it?

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How Universities Silence Truth—And What We Can Do About It | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

How Universities Silence Truth—And What We Can Do About It | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Misesmedia: Published Oct 8, 2015

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Ten Steps For Achieving A Libertarian Social Order - Hans-Hermann Hoppe

In three parts, illustrated by Matthew Drake.

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Serious question: what is the most ancap-tier anime?

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Peter Schiff Twice Shakes up Congressional Hearings

From one of the few people who both predicted the bubbles and busts of the housing market and others, and who was not suggesting to congress more government intervention or special treatment of powerful established industries.

Summary of the testimony by Schiff is in the first 12 minutes of the video.

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Since drug use and the sale of drugs should and would be legal in a libertarian society, but the sale of hard drugs like heroin and meth destroys lives and threatens the livelihood of the community, would it be applicable under tha NAP to murder hard drug sellers?

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hey anyone know more about this ??

apparently a patent was filed for this and some documents released however i cannot tell if fake or not

interesting nonetheless



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88888 GET

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>be me

>be ancap

>start company

>name it "N.H.K."

>people pay me to obtain a life-time "NEET" card

>owners of NEET cards have their rent, food, fuel, utility costs, healthcare, and other basic expenses taken care of, as well as getting a basic monthly income

>mfw I have invented a working version of socialism

It's literally flawless. Rate.

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How does it feel knowing that one of the founding fathers is a proto-communist?

>Why . . . does Mr. Burke talk of this House of Peers, as the pillar of the landed interest? Were that pillar to sink into the earth, the same landed property would continue, and the same ploughing, sowing, and reaping would go on. The Aristocracy are not the farmers who work the land . . . but are the mere consumers of the rent.

>Personal property is the effect of society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man’s own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came.

>if we examine the case minutely it will be found that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labour that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence.

>he states, “There are two kinds of property. Firstly, natural property,” in the land, air, and water of the earth, which the Creator gave all humanity an equal right to, and, secondly, “artificial or acquired property,” the products of labor of which “equality is impossible,” since that would require “that all should have contributed in the same proportion, which can never be the case.” He states, “Equality of natural property is the subject of this little essay. Every individual in the world is born therein with legitimate claims on a certain kind of property, or its equivalent.”

/liberty/ BTFO

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Which one do you press?

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Best economist of all time.

Any objections?

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How do we know the destruction of the low-income family hasn't been a good thing?

What I mean to say is, welfare benefits might have allowed low-income mothers to get by without drunk, violent, or abusive fathers who would have had a bad influence on the children. I'm not saying mothers don't also have those traits, but it happens to be mothers who almost always take care of them, so in reality it is the mothers who might be keeping out harmful men.

In any case, regardless of who's to blame, conflict between parents is always a bad thing in a house with children, so it's not necessarily the case that they'd be better off with the father in the house.

Of course fathers *can* provide a good influence, but this is not always the case, and it seems to me least likely to be the case in the lower income brackets.

Awaiting your thoughts on this /liberty/.

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Nice Q&A with Peter Thiel on innovation & the future, etc.

Good stuff.

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is singapore /ourguy/?

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The surprising science of alpha males

tldr: Those who try to dominate instead of work with/for others don't succeed for long, those who mediate and are good to others gain trust and support, which allows them to stay as leaders for a long time (and survive after they age).

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What Pisses Me Off About Endless Leftist Hysteria

Nice breakdown of those who choose hysteria and activism over trying to live decent lives.

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alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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So you claim to be for liberty.

Let's see what gats you have.

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Peter Schiff on how minimum wage policies kill jobs

Nice explanation by Peter Schiff on the Joe Rogan podcast on how minimum wage was first pushed by racists, and how it decimated the American Samoan economy when it was pushed on them.

Cant seem to get the link to start when the segment starts, it's 5:42 in.

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What does /liberty/ think of Barry Goldwater? The right man at a wrong time or extremist?

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Why be ancap ?

Ancap is just a memes wake up, it's not real.

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don't lie...

Would you breed with her, /liberty/?

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Polycentric Law

Are there any good books or articles I should read on real life examples of polycentric legal systems, such as the one in the Icelandic Commonwealth or Brehon Law? I recently read The Not So Wild, Wild West but I want more information on these kinds of systems of conflict resolution that are in accordance with a libertarian society.

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Stop being cucked

Become a fascist today


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Economic Question

I have been around many ideologies in the past. I've seen many discussions between natsocs, fascist, commies and traditionalist and not once did I ever get a satisfying answer to the economic question. One of the main reasons I am drawn to libertarianism is because you guys seem to be the most consistent in regards to economics and discuss it frequently where as other ideologies seem to think that the economy works like magic and simply having the right government would instantly mean a prosperous economy. Why is it that so many of these people are so willing to disregard the idea of the free market and think that capitalism as an idea is a failure?

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Is she ancap?

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If we take it as a given that IP laws are unlibertarian (I know not everyone agrees on that but for the sake of argument let's assume), and wouldn't be enforceable in a private society, what mechanism would you use against crypto currency theft/fraud? Would the blockchain public ledger be enough to dissuade all that?

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Rothbard Thread

So what exactly was this guy's beef with science fiction aficionados?

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When's the China bubble gonna pop?

There are people RIGHT NOW who are genuinely afraid of China's economic development. Imagine how many more ghost cities like this one there are. At the very least, exploring China's vast territory feels like an expedition to a foreign galaxy.

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why do you care about freedom so much but you don't care about justice?

it's not fair, for example, that some people are born poor and others are born rich.

I think caring only about freedom shows a bad quality in a human being.

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What would an anarcho capitalist unironically look like? All memes aside

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> The police them have a little gun

> So when I'm on the streets, I walk around with a bigger one

Is this ancap?

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fringe/ancap spiritual community

Im making a fringe/spiritual ancap community. Because I have already made a thread on fringe.

I will mostly reply to questions from there.


You dont need to pay to join, you only need to send me a application form. Most questions have already been answered on fringe.


Also could somebody photoshop a anarcho spiritual flag, like ancap flag but with the flower of life in the middle, because thats explains what my community is basically.

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Socialism in the U.S.

The U.S. is going to become the next Venezuela, isn't it? Well, it was fun while it lasted.

God, I'm depressed about the future.

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Is zoning communism?

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Any likelihood for a serious libertarian movement to start up in the UK? The state of free speech in this country is worrying as is the general PC culture and attitude towards private firearms ownership.

UKIP are a complete joke nowadays and the Libertarian Party are pussified on issues like the NHS and going nowhere fast. I think the Arm Britain campaign has potential and I'd also like to see Godfrey Bloom being more prominent in British politics.

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People don't want and don't deserve freedom anyway, so what is the best and most realistic course of action to free our societies as much as possible?

Look, I'm all for imagining utopia and perfect things, I'm all for compare freedom cocks, but we're losing freedom everyday in all the west. I will settle for more freedom than we have today, but what could be done?

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How do we get a non authritarian british goverment in power/elected

I wish other people in my country would wake up to this authoritarian mess we have in the UK.

1.We could turn UKIP into a libertarian party and get farage to become leader again

2.We start using VPN's and TOR to spread our message while avoiding censorship

3.Talk about shitty things such as crack downs on free speech and the lack of gun rights in the UK

4.Petition your local council to remove CCTV cameras and to respect personal liberty

5.Write to MP's about it and ask others to do the same

6.You could just emigrate to a country that respects personal liberty

Does /liberty/ have any thoughts on this matter

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who was in wrong here?

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Confiscation and the Homestead Principle


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/liberty/ reading

There used to be a thread on here that graphed quality on one axis and accessibility on the other, with regards to various books on libertarianism. Perhaps I'm going blind, but I don't see it in the catalog or either of the stickies.

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/ourguy/ Ross Ulbricht

How do we get him out of prison? Life in prison without parole is completely bullshit!

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Post /liberty/ themed music

I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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my friends told me they would rather like drugs to be legal and taxed because then they would have certainity that drugs are of ok quality as opposed to nowaday situation when you cannot get legit information about quality of drugs (unless you buy in TOR)

what should i have replied?

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Is the alt-right and the significant amount of libertarians who've "converted" to ethno-centric identitarianism and even in some cases national socialism part of a psyop? I definitely agree with the vast majority (if not all) of what Hoppeans and race realist libertarians advocate but a significant number of ex-libertarians seem to have shifted to support outright statism.

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is sociobiology the most redpill science ever?

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Only real men and people of good character want freedom. Parasites, retards and losers want totalitarianism.

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State-capitalism discussion


"Why does socialism dissolve into state-capitalism?"

This is going to be a long post and I'm responding here to avoid getting into an argument with Stalinists.

In the first place I'll say that this is a trick question. None of the 20th century states at any point had socialism. Socialism is a qualitative break from capitalism in which the basic relationships and functioning of society are transformed completely. Yes, I know that many people claim that the USSR was socialist or that China is socialist or whatever. They aren't. They were state-capitalist from the beginning. In the beginning the leadeing Bolsheviks knew that socialism couldn't be attained in the former Russian Empire. It didn't meet the necessary criteria. When Stalin assumed leadership of the USSR he swept these arguments under the rug and anyone who disagreed either disappeared or was killed.

Marx & Engels imagined socialism as being possible only due to the conditions that had developed in Western Europe and Germany - industrial economics, democratic politics, and a high level of cultural development and literacy. And the socialist parties were extremely large in Western Europe. By the end of Engels' life he was writing about how German democratic politics was allowing the socialist movement to grow, legally, far larger than any other political faction.

The irony of world history turns everything upside down. We, the "revolutionaries," the "rebels"—we are thriving far better on legal methods than on illegal methods and revolt. The parties of order, as they call themselves, are perishing under the legal conditions created by themselves. They cry despairingly with Odilon Barrot: la légalité notes tue, legality is the death of us; whereas we, under this legality, get firm muscles and rosy cheeks and look like eternal life.

But it was clear to Engels by the 1890s that a socialist revolution would require the participation of large masses of the population and not simply a small conspiratorial group:

The time of surprise attacks, of revolutions carried through by small conscious minorities at the head of unconscious masses, is past. Where it is a question of a complete transformation of the social organization, the masses themselves must also be in it, must themselves already have grasped what is at stake, what they are going in for [with body and soul]. The history of the last fifty years has taught us that. But in order that the masses may understand what is to be done, long, persistent work is required, and it is just this work which we are now pursuing, and with a success which drives the enemy to despair.

And yet, the first revolution led by Communists to succeed and maintain itself happened in the Russian Empire - a state still largely undeveloped by industrial capitalism, lacking traditions of legal democratic politics, and having a population that was majority illiterate. This was not what anyone anticipated. No one believed that socialism could be built in such backward conditions. Lenin commented in 1918,

History has now placed us in an extraordinarily difficult position; in the midst of organisational work of unparalleled difficulty we shall have to experience a number of painful defeats. Regarded from the world-historical point of view, there would doubtlessly be no hope of the ultimate victory of our revolution if it were to remain alone, if there were no revolutionary movements in other countries.

I repeat, our salvation from all these difficulties is an all Europe revolution.

At all events, under all conceivable circumstances, if the German revolution does not come, we are doomed.

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Right Wing United


Right Wing United (RWU), is an organization dedicated to ensuring the everlasting survival of the West and its core values. Our world has been terrorized by corrupt politicians and people in power, Islam and degeneracy. People in the West are no longer safe. We have abandoned our ancestors and our cultures for lives filled with a toxic degeneracy, one that spreads the globe. In an attempt to return the West to its former glory, RWU has been formed. We strive to create an organization that is friendly and welcoming to all people of right wing beliefs and ideals. After alll, we must band together because this conquest is bigger than ourselves.

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share thoughts on it

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Do you ever call your parents fascists 'cause they be nosin' into yo shit? I know I do

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Thomas Sowell

Does anyone have any more pdfs from Thomas Sowell? More specifically I am interested in Basic Economics, Economic Facts and Fallacies, and "Tricked-Down Theory"


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Sowell and Rubin

It finally happened!!!

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What's the libertarian/ancap answer to circumcision/genital mutilation?

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Dow Rises Despite Trade War

What's the impact of trade barriers in 2018? Does the market just work around the tariffs due to modern logistics, and all the talk of collapsing industries is just media hysterics? The communists are expecting everything to fall apart on their board.

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Nachos Supreme

Looks like we lost /ourguy/.

Why does this new guy care about women and diversity so much?

Does anyone care? Go run a bake sale for breast cancer, dude.

Disclaimer: I still think he's better than the others. Looking at some of his past decisions, he may be the new /ourguy/. I think the media may be spinning the "women and diversity" angle based on a single hearing about an foreigner getting an antibabypillen. Leave it up to 24-hour news cycle journalists to read. It could also just be how liberals talk to other liberals in liberal-language.

TL;DR the liberal media angers me

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Really makes you think.

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"Intellectual property" breaks markets and ruins capitalism.

Free market resource production is supposed to tend toward a commodity equilibrium where everyone is putting rutabagas onto the market and competing on price results in efficient rutabaga pricing. Instead, you have twelve million different retards trying to sell Maxturbago Brand POWER RUTABAGA cups with Vitamin C compatible with the Maxturbago Juice Fuzion Juice System and it just results in mass retardation and confusion.

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what corelates best with statism? gender? race? sexual orientation? age? affluency? my bet: gender- vagina-bearers are statists in 99.99999% of cases

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What happened to Britain? How did the world's largest mercantile empire shit the bed this hard?

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Liberty Economics

What's the best way to teach economics to the masses?

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Are they mismanaged? Are these oligopolies natural? If not, how do we go about deconstructing them and making the economy more efficient?

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why does singapore get praised by some libertarians when it is a surveillance society with little to no free speech or free market and where you would be put to death for smoking weed?

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Is Ayn Rand worth reading or was she an edgelady?

I know she ended up using social security and Medicare towards the end of her life.

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"How to Win Political Arguments" Stefan Molyneux


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Political parties ultimately contribute to what's wrong with democracy, but they are good for garnering publicity. Since the Libertarian Party recently cucked itself into oblivion, what would you name your new party, if you had one? If you say soy party I'll fucking kill you

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Questions For /liberty/

Is Ancapistan compatible with white identity and a white ethno state? I only ask as most Ancaps/Libertarians are either open borders proponents or only believe in private property lines. To me at least it would make sense for Ancaps and Libertarians be for white identity, as almost every Ancap and Libertarian is white. Whether or not this because of IQ differences, enviroment, or both it doesn't matter. How can Ancapistan be kept white with a small government or none at all? While it's true our governments are in charge of immigration policy and border security, and they're doing a terrible job at it. However, this would be ignoring corporations interest in flooding the labor market and depressing wages.

Also if Communism is against human nature, wouldn't Anarchism be against human nature? According to Aristotle, man is a political animal and it's not hard to see why. Since the dawn of cavemen, there have been leaders and followers. How can thousands of years of governments be thrown away, when men desire to rule and be ruled?

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The necessity of the state in a libertarian society?

So I've been reading Menger's lectures to the Crown Prince of Austria (pretty good crash course in economics, also gives historical context for that era) and he rises a few crucial points in the function of the state (lecture VII, starts at page 121). The gist is that the actions of one person due to shortsighted economic interest cause irreparable damage to others; cutting forests and causing flooding in the lower lands. But the thing is, it's not the action itself that caused damage (e.g. like a theft) but the result thereof.

Does the NAP apply here? Does it cover indirect damage that could otherwise be preventable? Because if we're going by the logic that is proposed by some libertarians - that the mere threat of damage like that of someone considering Communism is worthy of being justifiably expunged - then shouldn't the potentiality of such danger call for the arrest of the private property owner, as in, if he began just talking or suggesting doing it, or even begun but took down only one tree?

If the NAP is extendable, some ancaps may claim that if he caused damage he will be sued and other property owners will abstain from such actions in the future. But it will be irreparable damage, it could erase the livelihood of an entire population. Wouldn't in that case it'd be wiser to make preventative measures, like some laws under the threat of force like a government? Also from the text it is clear that it wasn't a one time happenstance, but recorded several times, so it's unlikely that after that one time it happens property owners would learn their lesson.

Please spare me that Menger had a conflict of interests when teaching, it is quite obvious he isn't an ancap and would support some form of government anyway.

Other than that, I'd like to know what exactly is the deal breaker for libertarians about anarcho-capitalism? What is the exact issue with it or why do you think it's utopian?

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what is the coefficient of determination of race on iq?

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>/liberty/ will get triggered by this song

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What's the best book on gold?

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What is in Anarcho-Capitalism that makes it hard to argue against? I haven't seen a good counter-argument to it that isn't some unrealistic hyperbole that is theoretically possible (from what I'm aware of), but is extremely unlikely. This is from an outsider.

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What do you think about Lenin's analysis of crony capitalism (imperialism)?

>Economically, the main thing in this process is the displacement of capitalist free competition by capitalist monopoly. Free competition is the basic feature of capitalism, and of commodity production generally; monopoly is the exact opposite of free competition, but we have seen the latter being transformed into monopoly before our eyes, creating large-scale industry and forcing out small industry, replacing large-scale by still larger-scale industry, and carrying concentration of production and capital to the point where out of it has grown and is growing monopoly: cartels, syndicates and trusts, and merging with them, the capital of a dozen or so banks, which manipulate thousands of millions. At the same time the monopolies, which have grown out of free competition, do not eliminate the latter, but exist above it and alongside it, and thereby give rise to a number of very acute, intense antagonisms, frictions and conflicts. Monopoly is the transition from capitalism to a higher system.


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Ding dong ancap is here

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How do you beat an insurgency?

With the Syrian army wrecking ISIS in Yarmouk recently, it made me think.. how exactly do you beat terrorists that:

>Hide in civilian buildings, hospitals, schools, holy places..

>Dig and entrench themselves

>Build extensive tunnel networks

>If a house gets shelled, just retreat to another one

without completely bombing civilian infrastructure? Surely there has to be a way to beat insurgents/terrorists without turning every battle into Stalingrad.

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is it ok with NAP if i get social benefits in amount not higher than i paid in taxes?

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just leaving it here

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Can we privatize this shithole? It was a great place for industry 100 years ago, why can't it be revived again?

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Do you even

watch the Ron Paul Liberty Report? I feel like most people don't know about his youtube channel.

In other news, vault-co is ded. RIP golden baby.


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>surely there's some way to form an actually moral government

>but forcing someone to pay for a government is immoral when they don't utilize any government services

>then just make it so people can choose not to pay taxes and receive no government services

>but now the government isn't even a government, just another private service

>surely there's some way to form an actually moral government

I've been stuck like this for a while. My main concern is that with no government, children abused or abandoned by their parents are stuck relying on the kindness of strangers. I know the government is ineffective by nature, but surely there's something that can be done?

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Would it be worse or better to have tariffs provide funding for government instead of taxes?

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Can you call yourself a Libertarian while still seeing that might invariably makes right more often than not?

I take issue with the concept of inalienability. Let us take the right to free speech as an example. Most liberally minded folks, including the founding fathers, regard this as an inalienable right - a right that cannot be gifted or taken away, a right that is with you from birth, from which you cannot be separated without first losing yourself.

However, as we have seen, the right to free speech can easily be constrained or otherwise dissolved entirely by a sufficiently advanced state. Advocates of the idea of the “inalienable right” counter this by stating that, while a right may be prevented from being put into practice, you still retain that right in yourself. You still have a right to free speech because free speech springs from freedom of expression, which is apparently a vital part of what it means to be human; you may be prevented from using the right to expression, but, so long as you remain human, you retain the right in itself?

But can you really claim to have a right if you are unable to uphold them? Rights only have meaning if you are able to put them into practice. The concept of free speech may exist in abstract, but in order to have a right to free speech, you need to exercise that right, because rights only exist as an exercise, which necessitates some degree of might.

This leads me on to a secondary problem I have with the distinction between negative and positive rights. Negative rights are supposedly inalienable because they exist in the absence of activity, while positive rights require protection to be real because they rely on action. Free speech is considered a negative right because it is the right of the individual NOT to have what they say be inhibited or punished in a legal context. The right to police protection is considered a positive right because it requires individuals separate from yourself to get up off their asses and actively start providing you with security. But is this not a question of semantics? All rights, whether negative or positive, rely to some degree upon the duty the individual feels to bring them to fruition - duty is an inherently protective practice that sees the individual take on responsibility in order to vouch for the thing itself - all rights therefore rely on the activity of protection to bring them about. Might is the only real eternal, the only principle that is truly inviolable.

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Is this caused by central banking and big government or would this distribution of wealth be natural in a free market?

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Environment preservation

How would environment be protected in AnCapistan?

What would stop companies from destroying environment for easier profit? Of course not ever company will be like that but for environment to be destroyed in some area you don't really need many companies, even one can be enough.

Also how would issue of animal abuse be solved? Most of people would not abuse animals obviously, but what about that little amount of fuckers doing it? How do we prevent that?

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Shall we play a game, gentlemen?

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How come ancaps everywhere on the internet are always angry retards? It feels like they are only ancaps to upset people with their retarded opinions. At least the ancaps here believe in something and don't just repeat empty phrases until in a bad moment they admit that they just want to kill everyone who disagrees with it but "capitalismally" which means they get to retain the moral high ground in their warped sense of justice.

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"Living Wage"

So despite the "minimum wage should be a living wage" idiocy, if not for inflation since leaving the gold standard could the minimum wage actually sustain a single person with basic services in the United States?

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why does (((USA))) do it? first creating isis and causing influx of rapefugees to europe and now this

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The Incel Question

Do the robots / incels have a valid perspective on modern society? Are they products of a nanny-state culture? Will rising rates of autism destroy society?

Final question: Why do so many people hate incels? Is this simply blaming the victim?

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Which one

Which one is better: minarchism or AnCapism? Why?

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"Anarcho"-capitalism is not real anarchism

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Open borders

What is your stance about open borders?

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>if people are allowed to opt out of the public school system and buy private education, this will undermine the basis for others to keep enjoying the public system at the same level of quality

How do you counteract this argument /liberty/?

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Does Trump Tariffs Doe

Economists gtf in here. What do you think is going to happen because of the Trump tariffs? If I understand the balance of payments (which I do not), then if the U.S. imports less from a country either:

- less USD outflows, hurting reserve currency status.

- less treasuries are bought, increasing interest rates and the deficit due to increasing payments on the debt.

- there is less asset purchasing by foreigners, aka less FDI.

What do you think will happen?

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what says liberty louder than fireworks?

come on in, libertybois


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Universal Basic Income

I'm interested in the concept of a UBI as a sustainable alternative to the present welfare state and a possible tool for ameliorating the effects of machines replacing humans in intellectual and creative fields. I'm not able to find very much on the subject from right-wing or libertarian perspectives, however with the exceptions of Charles Murray thinking it's the best that can be done next to killing social programs altogether and Friedrich Hayek's persistent support of the concept. Most UBI advocates seem to be totally against that idea and want a free no restrictions welfare payout added onto all of the existing social programs with no reduction or reform of the safety net whatsoever.

Whenever it gets brought up in mainstream venues for discussion, the right-wing dismissal tends towards revulsion with anything approximate of the extant welfare state. They think of it as their hard-earned tax dollars being stolen and redistributed from them so that lazy manbabies can stay at home eating Cheetos, playing video games, and refusing to get a job well into their 30s. While I'm sure some enabling parents would allow their parasitic offspring to use their UBI as free play money for more NEET crap, wouldn't it be more likely that they'd have a better excuse to finally kick them out?

I don't believe it's appreciated how much a plausible UBI would actually total. It would most likely be just enough to stop a person from dying of starvation or exposure from not holding down a full-time job. The incentive to work would still exist for anybody who wanted anything approaching the luxuries and met wants of modern developed nation society, although I suppose some religious ascetics would be cool with living on rice and beans in a shitty apartment and praying on their beanbag chair all day.

The other problem I see is that on one hand people generally know better how to deal with their money than unelected 3rd party decision makers, but on the other hand I cynically expect various types of niggers to blow through their UBI on stupid shit during the 1st week and then fall prey to leftist demagoguery about the need to bolster or expand the program back into something indistinguishable from the present welfare state.

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What's the opinion on absolutism? The remaining absolute monarchs in the world don't seem very totalitarian in contrast to their democratic and socialist counterparts.

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Was man created free or a slave?

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is she right /liberty/?

if assimilation is not sustained and communities withdraw into themselves, liberty becomes threatened due to the rise of seccessionism, ethnic / religious conflict and civil war. hence, to ensure freedom government must restrict it in some cases

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korwin is not in european parliament any more and he was replaced by liberty-oriented guy

see vidrel

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How does /liberty/ overthrow the Fed?

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/leftypol/ on /liberty/ in a nutshell

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to remind everyone that the CIA is Capitalism.

Venezuela is Capitalist country. They even have private property!

Sweden is a social Democracy, and not Capitalist at all.

The NAP is literal autism (embed related).

Greece's economic troubles were because of austerity.

You think that if children agree to have sex that it's ethically O.K..

The U.S. had the greatest growth during the 50's because we had a more progressive tax structure.

And you're all a bunch of giant hypocrites for being O.K. with a corporate monopoly, but then when it's the government it's suddenly not O.K.

ITT, post more arguments that you're sick of hearing repeated over and over again.

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/liberty/ btfo

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So, uhh why the fuck is socialism in the welcome zone on the pinned post???

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I've finally given up on /pol/.

The support for the obviously mentally ill Patrick Little is too much for me. I can't comprehend how intellectually stunted someone must be to legitimately think going out on the street and harassing random Jews is going to sway popular opinion in your favour. Then the guy wins 1.4% of the vote and claims he would have won if not for voter fraud.

This is so obviously insane yet any criticism is immediately shut down by 20 fags spamming "shill". It's over and it's done. These mindless retards deserves nothing but mockery.

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Athens: Free Speech and Sargon of Akkad: Make /liberty/ Great Again Edition

We the People of Athens, in Order to form a more perfect /liberty/, establish Free Speech, insure domestic Greatness, provide for the common Mansplainer, promote the general Privilege, and secure the Blessings of Sargon to ourselves and our Memes, do ordain and establish this Thread for the Discord Server of Athens.

In 'Gon We Trust

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Libertards BTFO




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look what i found today in wealthy district


i checked that website and they turned out to be mutualists/leftwing libertarians or just commies, maybe several of them are indeed agorists, idk

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Did the good guys win WW2?

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Is there a 'moral wrong' committed in demanding the life-savings of someone before you save him from drowning?

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/pol/ bans the word nigger

Did the authority worshipping nazis finally implode on themselves? Even /leftypol/ has more freedom than them.

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Meta Thread

Can we get rid of the communist flag, /leftypol/ flag, social democrat flag, ancom flag, and any other flag that's not associated with libertarianism? These basically act as an incentive for lefty shitposters to avatarfag and LARP as contrarian 'revolutionaries'; the option to mark themselves and advertise their differing opinion is a way for them to bait others into replying. I believe this measure would serve to greatly reduce the number of "muh roads" and "lol ancap is feudalism" posts shitting up the board without actually banning the expression of different opinions, which the BO appears to be against.

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Is cash inportant to maintain liberty

True liberty means being able to pay without a trace.

Bitcoin and other crypto are good but not perfect.

Is cash still the best way to maintain the freedom to pay without a trace anons?

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switzerland is under attack

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Trump to Get Another SC Justice

Who is /ourguy/ /liberty/?

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poland first to fight

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Is he ancap?

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Daily Reminder.

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New System

Could this possibly work?

This system would have mix of private and collective ownership.

It is based on local communities.


We have a community (village, small town, neighborhood i.e.).

In that community everything that benefits all residents (schools, roads, hospitals) will be funded collectively, with each member paying his part.

Other things, like shops and companies, (basically stuff that is for profit) is in private ownership.

Out-of-community roads, like roads between cities, will be maintained by private companies paid by communities that benefit from the road.

If someone doesn't want to pay for collective services they can turn to private services, if they are available.

This is anarchist scenario.

If you have questions, ask, if you have something to add, see some loopholes, fallacies or just think that this can't work post it in reply.

I'm new to all this and I'm just testing theories.

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porn files deleted

So you've deleted some of my porn files. As I posted in this forum before, they weren't fetishisc, or they're so popular as such.

Porn forums are 3 clicks away, but so is /pol/ and its other variants.

Okay, I get it.

No nudie pics—I suppose you have a reputation you want to uphold; but swastikas, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTs, et al pics are okay.

After all, it's in the spirit of free speech.

and I was beginning to take a liking to this place.

It seems that /liberty/ is a sort of smaller version of /pol/

I guess I'll have to look further while cutting down on my posting here.

Until I post again—which might be days, perhaps a few weeks—fare thee well.

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Is internet good example of AnCapism? Can it even be used as example of AnCapism?

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do you agree that ASE is wrong in saying that animals other than humans act solely on instincts?

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Is increasing urbanization one of the underlying reasons for the loss of liberty in general? Young people seek out areas with ridiculously high costs of living, high population densities, poor living conditions, stressful day-to-day environments, regulatory enforcement at a moment's notice, and government institutions around every corner?

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How would an ancap society deal with the queer menace?

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is lauren southern having luke rudkowski as her bf?

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EU Articles to Criminalize Online Free Speech pass EU Parliament Committee

The Report: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-copyright/eu-parliament-committee-votes-for-tougher-eu-copyright-rules-to-rein-in-tech-giants-idUSKBN1JG1FE

Why this is bad for all Digital Free Speech: https://www.communia-association.org/tag/article-13/

European Union users can visit this website to email, call, or tweet your MEPs to stop Article 13 and Article 11 from criminalizing links, memes, and free speech: https://saveyourinternet.eu/

So 8chan, how does a board built on free speech feel about this???

>inb4 /b/tards complain pedophilia is censored and anarcho-capitalists defend privatizing free speech

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criticisms of Agorism

if you have any, state them here.

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Capitalists without Adjectives

Is there an equivalent of "Anarchists without Adjectives" only for capitalism? Capitalism has brought extraordinary wealth for the vast majority of people, gets shat on by almost every living person alive, and just keeps turning the other cheek and silently continuing to work–dude needs a break. I don't necessarily want anarchism, voluntaryism, a society-wide NAP ethical code, etc.. I just want more commerce. Can we at least find some agreement there?

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Would hentai watchers be physically separated from the ancap utopia?

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What do you think about Milton Friedman?

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black and yellow cobra snake

this should be the emblem of ancaps shouldnt it?

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How will logs be regulated in an ancapistan world?

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What these people don't get is that a strong corporation/group of corporations running society would function no different than a government. Despite what egalitarian utopians like libtards and commies want to think, hierarchy is a inherent part of nature, and humanity. A government taxing its citizens is no different to a corporation demanding rent for living on there land, which is also no different to a tribal chieftain and his sons demanding you contribute to the tribe, or a gang demanding protection money. These are all forms of ruler ship that demand that you contribute to take part in society. Really what difference does rent and protection money have compared to taxes other than legitimacy? The only difference is the scale of the hierarchy and taxation. Its our duty as Fascists to install a honest system. There will always be a ruling class that controls the vast majority of people in a society. We as Fascists must make sure that the new ruling class is a just one, that looks out for the interests of OUR people, and not the interests of their bank account, or foreigners. Inter class hatred must be ended, all classes are important to society. The King and his men wouldn't be able to eat without the peasant, and yet the peasant wouldn't be able to survive without the kings protection. Its not exploitation, its a natural mutually beneficial relationship.

Adittionally, everything is communism to ancaps/lolbergs. And to ancaps and libertarians there's no difference between communism and fascism. Basically to a libertarian or ancap, any time the government does something they'll call it communism or fascism depending on the mood they're in that day.

t. >>>/fascist/

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post itt how will ancap look like

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I don't think I believe in morality, can anyone debunk me from materialism into the NAP?

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Q! I hunger and thirst everyday for your posts. In this cultural desert where all is fake and vain and vicious, I understand patience and all that; and that the inner life of the individual is the soil of freedom and strength. But, for God's sake man, your spells of silence just don't make my day as full as it can be.

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>keeps minting bitcoin while price is crashing

What did the Chinese mean by this?

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I don't like teslafags, nor am i convinced of the usefulness of fully electric vehicles but isn't he kind of /ourguy/?

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Hey, I have a lot of free time and space, specifically a unused backyard, both a garage and the outdoors almost abandoned full of trash and wild plants, it's a literal waste, people could use it productively! Which is what I intend to do.

I'd like some ideias to make some money with it. I've thought about growing stuff, plants or fish/octopus etc and sell, but I got 0 experience (but time to learn), and I just don't know if it's even profitable because big companies are better equipped for this, I don't even expect making a lot of money, but just knowing I wouldn't lose any, even a few hundred € per year would be worth it.

Weed illegal here btw. There could be some legal drugs that I could grow/make (maybe some type of shrooms?) but I have no idea who'd want to buy that, irl I don't know anyone interested in such things.

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Why do you have a right to freely exchange anything? You have no right to a market, you must get the consent of the market owner.

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Would you let a stranger eat shit out of your fridge?

I fucking hate NAP violators, /liberty/. Just now I caught this piece of shit (pic related) trespassing into my fridge. I mean, hello? Just because you had sex with me, doesn't mean you can steal my food, what kind of fucked up commie behaviour is that? Are all women like this? Needless to say, I kicked her naked ass off my property.

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The weak should fear the strong

Regarding culling and "cruelty", I want you to side either with the girl or the demon. Them, I want you to think abot the laws of the realms, specifically the one around 12 minutes

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Best Wilderness retreat?

Where do I go to escape the statists for good /liberty/?

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is it just a conspiracy theory that war cancels debt?

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What's wrong with being a pedo, other than because the jews said so?

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The Rise and Fall of the “Freest Little City in Texas”

How a libertarian experiment in city government fell apart over taxes, debt and some very angry people.



>The abandoned cop cars sat in Trina Reyes’ yard for eight months. She wanted them gone, but there were no police to come get them. Last September, the police department in Von Ormy — a town of 1,300 people just southwest of San Antonio — lost its accreditation after it failed to meet basic standards. Reyes was mayor at the time, so the three patrol cars, as well as the squad’s police radios and its computers, ended up at her home. It was just another low point in a two-year saga that she now counts as one of the most difficult experiences of her life.

>“This is one of the worst things I’ve ever done,” she said of being mayor. “I’ve never dealt with such angry people. I’m washing my hands of everything. … I’m going to travel. I’m going as far away from Von Ormy as I can.”

>For the last few years, Von Ormy has been in near-constant turmoil over basic issues of governance: what form of municipal government to adopt, whether to tax its residents, and how to pay for services such as sewer, police, firefighters and animal control. Along the way, three City Council members were arrested for allegedly violating the Open Meetings Act, and the volunteer fire department collapsed for lack of funds. Nearly everyone in town has an opinion on who’s to blame. But it’s probably safe to say that the vision of the city’s founder, a libertarian lawyer whose family traces its roots in Von Ormy back six generations, has curdled into something that is part comedy, part tragedy.

>In 2006, fearing annexation by rapidly encroaching San Antonio, some in Von Ormy proposed incorporating as a town. But in government-averse rural Texas, incorporation can be a hard sell. Unincorporated areas are governed mainly by counties, which have few rules about what you can do on private property and tend to only lightly tax. There’s no going back from what municipal government brings: taxes, ordinances, elections and tedious city council meetings. Still, the fear of being absorbed by San Antonio — with its big-city taxes and regulations — was too much for most Von Ormians.

>Enter Art Martinez de Vara. At the time, Martinez de Vara was an ambitious third-year law student at St. Mary’s University in San Antonio, a local boy with a penchant for Texas history and right-wing politics.

>Martinez de Vara suggested a compromise of sorts. Von Ormy could become a “liberty city” — a stripped-down, low-tax, low-government version of municipal government that’s currently en vogue among the tea party in Texas.

>Initially, the city would impose property and sales taxes, but the property tax would ratchet down to zero over time. The business-friendly environment would draw new economic activity to Von Ormy, and eventually the town would cruise along on sales taxes alone.

>There would be no charge for building permits, which Martinez de Vara said would be hand-delivered by city staff. The nanny state would be kept at bay, too. Want to shoot off fireworks? Blast away. Want to smoke in a bar? Light up. Teens wandering around at night? No curfew, no problem.

>Martinez de Vara and his mother, Sally Martinez, along with other prominent residents, started the Commission to Incorporate Von Ormy. He gave Von Ormy a motto: “The Freest Little City in Texas.”

>Folks in Von Ormy liked what they heard and in May 2008 voted to incorporate. Martinez de Vara was elected mayor that November.

>In a 2015 presentation he gave at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative think tank, Martinez de Vara said that a group of people with no political experience took it upon themselves to do everything a large city like San Antonio does but at a lower cost. He touted Von Ormy’s ability to provide animal control services, a 20-officer police department — a mix of paid officers and volunteers — and an online city hall.

>“We were blessed with this unique opportunity to experiment with democracy,” he said.

>Today, there is no city animal control program and stray dogs roam the streets. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Office patrols the town instead of city police, and City Hall resides in a mobile home with one full-time staffer — though that’s a step up from the dive bar where City Council met until the owner bounced them out. If you go to the city’s website, you’ll be informed that it’s still under construction.

>If Von Ormy is a libertarian experiment with democracy, it’s one that hasn’t turned out as expected.

What happened /liberty/?

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I was thinking about how in ancap the rights of individuals will be maintained by setting up the powers that be to be equally balanced so they're too busy fighting each other to bully the common man. Now normally people think that this will take the form of competing service providing corporations, but actually what if we could make it a shell government instead? Think about it. If we abolish government, someone else will try to take its place because of thousands of years of human conditioning. They have some kind of mystical attraction to authority. So we should give them exactly what they ask for, a government. But not a functional one, but a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy. One that's so tied up in checks, balances, and red tape that it's impossible to get anything done, and if you look closely, literally impossible to pass laws thanks to the legalese we will write into the constitution. We can create an intentional honeypot to attract all the corrupt politicians and moral busybodies to keep them safely away from the rest of society by promising a power they can never attain. Itt is a thread for throwing out ideas that can be integrated into the future world government to make it a failure. Ill start.

I think that the first thing that should be done is the construction of a pyramid scheme where junior politicians pay tribute to senior politicians as a "test of loyalty" but actually so that senior politicians dont get the idea to levy taxes to pay their salary.

Additionally, we should establish lots of lots of aristocracy because aristocracy invariable develops a superiority complex, and we can spin it in such a way that they dont feel obligated to contribute to national defense. Something like "the commons need to fend for themselves", but in actuality, it takes away their biggest pretext for collecting taxes.

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George Lincoln Rockwell

What's your honest opinion on George Lincoln Rockwell's free enterprise version of Nazism? In an economic sense, it seems to be very heavily aligned with a pro liberty stance as opposed to Hitler's socialist system, and on a social level, he mostly wanted to keep desegregation from happening, which was unconstitutional and outside of the role of government to perform on a private sector level.

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I am actually a socialist

What did Elon mean by this?

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ok lets say most states should be abolished because they were set up due to stealing property of original owners

but who the original owners were? in europe loyality had land and maybe there were people with ancap thinking in feudal times and they were saying that we should abolish feudalism because it is based on stealing property of original owners

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So, did the free market allocate resources proving that a communist dictatorship is the most efficient form of government on Earth?

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Fascist here, fill me in so I can understand you all

So I consider myself a fascist and after a while of congregating with others like myself, I got tired of the echo chamber (as much as I enjoy connecting the dots) and decided to look to places that may or may not agree with me somewhat. I generally consider libertarians (particularly right-leaning) to be alright so I started there and here I am, hoping to understand most of you guys better and maybe we can have a chat. You don't have to answer all of my questions unless you want to better your chances of me understanding you.

I'm assuming that all of you are to a degree, against degeneracy of the modern world. However, a lot (if not all) of you promote individual freedom that's nowhere even close to the scale that I would allow people to have their freedoms to, and I think I know why. My philosophy to combat degeneracy is to either heavily discourage or outright outlaw what is deemed degenerate. For example, same-sex marriage. Since faggots are prone to transmitting STDs and abusing children much more often I would make it illegal for them to adopt children or get married for [wage] benefits to discourage that behavior in hopes of cultivating a healthier society. However, you may agree that faggots are bad, but you'd rather have them have their rights or may not even be for the government involving themselves in marriage entirely. So you could just easily force the fags off your property, but they can encourage the mentally unstable to follow their ways and eventually have a movement big enough to where they can fuck you over while giving you HIV and AIDs in the process.

What is the thought process behind that, though? Do you hope that faggots will eventually wither out naturally with no interference or do you not genuinely care? Survival of the fittest? Of course, degeneracy isn't just limited to faggotry. You got niggers that commit more crime, traditional (or sensible) family values being lost because of single parents, immigration that can set up language barriers and even cause hostility, and more. So what are your stances on those issues to be more specific? I think I might be getting confused on that part too. Do you hate faggots, niggers, and spics for the right reasons, but you wouldn't put any government barriers up against them to protect your people? What are the benefits of not setting up those barriers?

I know that for sure costs would definitely be lower because the government would have less reason to tax (or even exist) because they have less jobs to enforce, but I'd rather be taxed with money to keep the vicious migrants at bay because sometimes they can kill an innocent native or my own. That's extreme, I think you get where I went with that. Who knows, maybe I even misjudged your philosophy and got it confused with something else (and there's so many different ideologies that are similar to yours), but I can't get it.

I know for sure that there are so much economic benefits available for allowing a lot of things deemed immoral by today's society. However, I fear that people may abuse stuff like weed and other hardcore drugs because I've seen nothing but LARPing communists and degenerates smoke them and watch them leech off of welfare, and I'd much rather close the loopholes unlike you which would probably say that welfare shouldn't even exist to begin with.

Is libertarianism purely materialistic or just really concerned about individual freedom or both? I won't lie and say that I'm all for human rights because I believe that some people aren't capable of making smart choices on their own, but for example I'd allow people to own a gun provided they pass background and mental health checks, while you may not even want those checks being there in the first place. Why not?

There are so many more questions I have but it's like writing an entire fucking essay already, so I'll just leave you with a more fun question. If you needed a roommate to help you pay for your expenses, would you rather have a fascist or a communist as a roommate, and why? Sorry for any mistakes in grammar, spelling, or otherwise.

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/monster/ GET

Are chinese dragons actually more NAP-oriented than sneks? Southern dragon kun fu does revolve around only acting against your opponent when they do first. Pic unrelated.

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Are niggers people or property?

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Long live Kek!

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Does it violate the NAP...

if I build a wall around your house and forbid you to break that wall because it is my private property?

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Doug Ford Elected Premier of Ontario, Canada

Is this a victory for /liberty/?

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About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older.



MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men.


41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide.


53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children.


Adult Gender Identity Disorder (GID) Can Remit


Sixty percent reported one or more types of severe child abuse.


The frequency of personality disorders was 81.4%. The most frequent personality disorder was narcissistic personality disorder (57.1%) and the least was borderline personality disorder. The average number of diagnoses was 3 per patient.


Persons with GID compared to heterosexuals have higher presence of PDs, particularly Paranoid PD, avoidant PDs, and comorbid PDs.


Evidence suggests over-representation of autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) and behavioral difficulties among people referred for gender issues […] As compared to non-referred comparisons, participants with ASD were 7.59x more likely to express gender variance; participants with ADHD were 6.64 times more likely to express gender variance. Autists have around 8x more GID and people with ADHD around 7x the average.


Clinical evidence suggests that schizophrenia occurs in patients with GID at rates higher than in the general population and that patients with GID may have schizophrenia-like personality traits. Conversely, patients with schizophrenia may experience alterations in gender identity and gender role perception.


Of 139 boys which had GID at the first study only 12% had it 12 years later, 47% were bi/gay and 41% were hetero or asexual.


Eighty-three patients requesting sex reassignment surgery (SRS) were recruited and assessed through the Persian Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV Axis I disorders (SCID-I). Results. Fifty-seven (62.7%) patients had at least one psychiatric comorbidity. Major depressive disorder (33.7%), specific phobia (20.5%), and adjustment disorder (15.7%) were the three most prevalent disorders.


There is no, zero, null evidence to suggest that it is neurological in the sense that you are trying to push. There is a mountain of evidence to suggest that it is a mundane mental illness, specifically brought about by other mental illness i.e narcissism or autism.

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Law code is fucked, are there US laws that let me take Liberty™ into my own hands?

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Why are ancaps so pathetic?

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so why exactly is stirner popular amongst leftists? he is so far away from their collectivist cuckoldry that his argument against property is based on individual defense of it. his whole schtick is antileftist. their equality shit is an easily definable spook since it is based on an obsession about others. are leftists just retarded?

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>hurr durr we don't need welfare or any kind of aid because charity exists

>billionaires give millions to charity, just cut out the state

>except billionaires get huge tax cuts for philanthropy

>in ancapistan where there are no or low taxes it's more profitable for them to just selfishly reinvest

>the state is literally responsible for both the benefits of welfare and most charitable work

Another ancrapper/libretardian tenet in the garbage. This is literally a board for intellectually impaired children.

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The Debt


>The Congressional Budget Office projects that interest payments on the federal debt will grow from $316 billion this year to $915 billion by 2028. Not only does the new debt need to be financed, but trillions of dollars in old debt will also need to be refinanced when it comes due.

>And then there is household debt. After the last financial crisis, American consumers made a concerted effort to save more, borrow less and pay off credit card and auto loan debt. But memories are short, and a decade later, mortgage debt, credit card debt, student loan debt, and car loan debt are all, once again, at record levels and growing briskly. Among the 38 percent of households with credit card debt, the average balance is nearly $11,000, according to ValuePenguin, based on data from the Federal Reserve. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau recently reported that, among subprime borrowers, credit card debt is up 26 percent in just the past two years.

>Finally, there is the debt that investors large and small take on to buy stocks, bonds, derivatives and other securities. That’s also at an all-time high.

>As Stephen Blumenthal of CMG Capital sees it, this is the “mother of all credit bubbles.” And with the Federal Reserve and central banks now bringing the supply and cost of credit back to normal levels, and with demand for credit continuing to soar, heavily indebted businesses, governments and households will soon be hit with big increases in interest payments. As interest payments begin to crowd out spending on other things, the economy will slow. We’ve seen this self-reinforcing downward cycle before, and it invariably leads to market sell-offs, loan defaults, bankruptcies, layoffs and, quite likely, recession.



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Why don't you just follow the law?

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Would Free Software licenses be allowed in Ancapistan?

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Will the Black Market end the State?

There's this growing notion popularized by ancap Youtubers that when the the petrodollar collapses and/or the Fed raises interest rates, most of not all the dollars in the world will repatriate, hyperinflating the dollar and send not only the US economy, but European economies crashing down. The aftermath will send the population looking for assets to retain their wealth, most prominently cryptocurrencies due to their decentralized, nearly impossible-to-trace nature, and low cost and ease of use. This will cause the value of cryptocurrencies to skyrocket causing more people to put their money in cryptos creating a counter economy larger than the state. And because the state can't freeze or control cryptos or track who's trading with who, they'll be powerless to stop the counter economy that will create militias and private security industries to defend themselves and their clients, making the state obsolete.

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> On 10 June 2018, the initiative was "overwhelmingly" defeated in the vote, with approximately 75% percent of voters rejecting the initiative.[3][4]


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ITT: arguments that leave you confused.

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A bit of light reading for the neetsocs lurking on this board:


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Markets are efficient if and only if P = NP


> I prove that if markets are weak-form efficient, meaning current prices fully reflect all information available in past prices, then P = NP, meaning every computational problem whose solution can be verified in polynomial time can also be solved in polynomial time. I also prove the converse by showing how we can "program" the market to solve NP-complete problems. Since P probably does not equal NP, markets are probably not efficient. Specifically, markets become increasingly inefficient as the time series lengthens or becomes more frequent. An illustration by way of partitioning the excess returns to momentum strategies based on data availability confirms this prediction.

Looks like we should have read SICP instead of the Fountainhead.

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Will the plan of making so much shit it becomes free work this time?

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Minarchist views on taxation

In order to provide for the minimum necessities, such as a police force, court system, and a defensive military; what is the fairest form of taxation? A sales tax, income tax, property tax, tariffs, all of the above, or some other option?

Is there any way it would be possible to fund this minimal government voluntarily? Donations could lead to corruption, and other things like lotteries probably won't be enough. What do other libertarians think about this?

P.S. I know AnCap obviously doesn't have this problem, but I'm asking specifically about a hypothetical minarchist government.

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leftypol poster

To the porkyposter who recently posted on a few leftypol threads:

Sorry you got banned. There are a significant number of leftists that would rather debate and engage opposing ideas rather than ban, but we don't control leftypol. That would be the toxic tranny who has killed our board. We could fix the situation if we had collective control of the board, but we don't.

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Here's a time waster


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here in europe in big cities montessori schooling is becoming more and more popular

i think it is s sypmtom of leftwingness of big cities because it presumes that grades are bad becasue pupils should be graded based on their effort put into learning and not on the result of learning. moreover they say grades cause competition and sadness. they say that children should learn from own initiative which is ok and nice but it can work in the few. they also say that rewarding is ok and punishing is bad - but they say that rewarding is bad in work because it makes you dependent on reward and you want more reward for the same thing after a while allegedly and you compete with ccoworkers. they dont notice that most people dont do their jobs because they enjoy it but only becasue they want to earn money i think. i got this thoughts due to today lecture and discussion in university and they said it would be the best when everyone would enjoy his or her work and not work just for material reward like wage or money and it reminded me of communism

also i noticed schooling here is going to be fucked up because future teachers (ofc mostly girls and ofc girls are mostly pc sjsw) are implementing or are going to implement the stupidity i told you about in this post

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good news itt

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libertarian quotations itt

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why is it economically ok for one person to rule a company and not economically ok for 1 person to rule a country/state?

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mises institute

Is there anyone else who feels that the Mises Institute's influence on the libertarian scene is not always positive?

I honestly feel that many of their arguments are bad. Not that they're always wrong, just fucking bad at getting the point across. I'll give you an example. The other day on twitter I saw a Mises tweet for an article describing the market as being "democratic" because you cast votes with your money. The problem is, someone with a billion dollars has about 999,999,999 more votes than someone who's living paycheck to paycheck. How is that democratic?

Now, aside from bad arguments, I also feel that the Mises Institute focuses on things that simply don't register with most people. Ron Paul was popular because he had a few simple points, based on easily understood principles and fucking hammered those points again and again. One of the big ideas was: the U.S. is running an empire and fighting foreign wars that don't benefit the common man. Even people on the left can agree with this. The Mises Institute rarely talks about this. When the entire world was angry at Israel for shooting protestors, Mises was talking about gold or something irrelevant.

I did a search on the Mises.org for a discussion of Israel. The only result relating to the state of israel was an article published in a libertarian journal back in the 1980s, if i recall correctly. Not a single fucking article about the Israeli state and its abuses on Mises.org

Another thing. I watched an interview with Jeff Deist and Ron Paul a week ago. Jeff Deist said he felt the best way to reach people was by focusing on economic arguments. Dumbest fucking strategy in the world. Why? Because nobody wants to lose their gibs. Tell them that the U.S. is an empire and oppressing and killing poor people around the world, people might listen. Tell them you want to put us back on the gold standard and gut welfare - people tune out.

I bring up this criticism because I believe that things like individual rights, due process, constitutions, free speech, etc are all pretty fundamental in running a civilized country. But both on the left and right people are turning against these ideas, for different reasons. What fucking good will it do us to argue for sound money when our basic freedoms are being stripped from us?


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AND 8CHAN IS THE ONLY PLACE ON THE INTERNET WHERE FREE SPEECH CAN HAPPEN. you try to have free speech anywhere else on the internet and you're banned instantly for having (((wrong think))) and (((wrong opinions)))





>"Sluggish schizophrenia was the most infamous of diagnoses used by Soviet psychiatrists, due to its usage against political dissidents." "After being discharged from a hospital, persons diagnosed with sluggish schizophrenia were deprived of their civic rights, credibility and employability." "The usage of this diagnosis has been internationally condemned."





























</b/ spamming

there is an active effort to shitpost and spam /b/ to death by posting low quality threads and low quality shitposts

these are not summerfags





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Anarchy: The Military Problem

A military inherently demands order and structure which is not voluntary, and fighting a war is mostly about pre-emptively killing someone before they have the chance to kill you. Not to mention that if an invasion is prevented, all the enemy has to do is lay down his arms and NAP would prevent the soldiers of anarchy from finishing them off. Ergo the state can always pull back, rebuild, attack again.

My question is: How can, say, a continent under anarchy hope to defend itself against a continent under state control?

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GDPR discussion thread

Before the shitposters come REEEEING at the link, no, he is not /ourguy/. Most other videos explaining it omit everything that might sound objectionable. So, discuss. What is it and how it affects people?

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what activities can I do?

what do you do?

what can humans do?

I don't understand what should I do. I already eat food, water. What else should I do?

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Which of these is the libertarian option?

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Why are all city building and strategy games so inherently communist?

Almost every one of them is exactly the same:

>tax people for money

>manage resources yourself

>provide for everyone's needs

>centrally plan everything

I feel like this is one of the reasons so many millenials (especially /pol/) are so socialist, because they were raised on games like these and then they feel like the economy is SimCity-tier shit that some bureaucrats in an office could easily and effectively manage by calculating exactly how much of a commodity millions or even just thousands of people need better than they do themselves, thereby solving poverty.

>inb4 but if games were about letting go and letting the market do its thing, then you would be watching a simulation and it wouldn't be fun!

Now I'm sure there's a lot of challenges and other gameplay mechanics that could be introduced to make the game fun, but if someone wants to be a total commie in a game then would it be so bad if the markets in these games were at least a bit more realistic so that you could build socialism on top of an existing capitalist system like comrades Marx, Lenin and the rest of the gang intended, and see how your system works? (protip: it won't)

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Libertarianism Outside the US

Has anybody been following right libertarian movements outside the States? I hear Brazil has one going now while Canada and Australia have a few small parties in office but they are not mainstream.

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czechia is one of the most uncucked european countries

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what is the ancap position on piracy?

is going on putlocker or downloading a game off some shady website a form of counter economics? or do these actions violate the NAP?

is IP a legitimate form of property? or is it just the state trying to kill off fair competition?

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/liberty/, it is getting harder and harder for me to socially be a libertarian. And of all the things that puts me on the precipice, to think it would be a John Oliver video.

I just can not believe that you can look at a country that is now scoring in economic freedom at around Cuban levels, and say that socialism isn't the problem, and that the socialism in Venezuela "Just wasn't implemented properly." That level of denial is a level that proves to me that discourse is not tenable with a socialist.

Someone start up the rotors and reincarnate Pinochet. This shit has me livid. Discourse and free speech has failed.

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Radical Feminists Never Understand Men


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Imkampfy -FINALLY- removed

Porchmonkey finally removed imkampfy, apparently. >>>/pol/11619182

It's about a year or two too late, but still nice to hear. Let's watch them self-implode now.

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should there be any non-private gun laws in free society at all?

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According to Robert Kiyosaki, a good measure of how wealthy you are is how long you're able to live with your current funds if you quit your job today. Does this mean most first-worlders who work and depend on wages for their survival are objectively poorer than African farmers who live off their own land?

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>bad news

>stock market oversells

>immediately buys back the next day

>cycle repeats

I thought the market was supposed to be efficient?

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The Unspoken Truth behind school shooters


"beta uprising" and why the mainstream media is so focused on portraying school shooters as mindless non-humans who did it for absolutely no reason other than because they are crazy while simultaneously using this as anti-gun and 2nd amendment destroying propaganda.

I have noticed an ongoing theme to the school shootings in the usa; specifically the shootings that involve the shooter being a student who actually went to that school, how the mainstream media decides to report/USE it, and how the school systems seem to respond to it.

it always appears the same way.

>breaking news! serious bad happenings!

>shots fired at local school!




>come on news! release more information!

>we regret to say that X amount of people are dead

>suspect is believed to be (evil bad person who did this for no reason's name)

I'm not saying that what the person did was right, it was very wrong indeed but follow me for a moment with this.

>and then endless reporting for months on why guns are bad and how that "this school is a gun free zone" sticker on the schools door TOTALLY stopped the shooter

>then a bunch of talk about how the family was this or that and how the shooter had mental issues (but lets leave out that they were all high on prescription drugs that increase the risk of suicidal thoughts and destroy learning! thanks doc!) https://archive.is/L9opF

and then finally in late 2016 things coming out like

>"how to notice a potential beta uprising"


>"how to notice the early warning signs for some person completely freaking out and doing something horrible"

but then the hypocracy of the whole thing hit me like a train; "why the fuck are teachers and students being told that they should learn how to recognize the early warning signs of the very monster they all contributed in creating?"

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>racism is real because you can see it in people being racist

if sjw assume upper statement is true then they must assume sentence below is true as well

>god is real because you can see it in people being religious/having relevations

am i right?

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Why wouldn't it be okay to violate in the N.A.P. in a situation in which its violation creates more aggregate happiness? An example would be, like, a scenario in which the state had to torture someone to save lives. Or you had to make someone move their house to build a highway that many people would like. Just any scenario like that. Discuss.

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OC Thread

Some OC I made a while ago. Enjoy!

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>when u understand basic economics for the first time

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Let's clear up what anarchy is

Anarchy is:

>No government

>No transactions

>No employment

>No hierarchy


>No religion

>No racism

>No democracy

>No commune

>No principles

>No rules

We do not obey these things, we want to be completely free

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The U.K.

/liberty/, why do you think the U.K. has fallen so far? What with the knife ban, grooming gangs, crazy speech laws–what do you think was the tipping point where it all began to fall apart?

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Desničari u pubu


Dakle za one koi ne znaju, veće nekoliko tjedana srijedom se odvijaju desničari u pubu u Zagrebu. Jako zanimljiv događaj koji organizira Generacija Obnove. Na tom događaju se uzimaju razne teme o kojima se onda raspravlja. Nema cenzure, nema glupih diskriminacija ili nešto u tom smislu. Ove srijede, tema je Pravo posjedovanja oružja u Hrvatskoj. Zaista zanimljiva tema, pa dođite.

Ako ima itko ikakvih pitanja oko te nove desnice u Hrvatskoj, tu sam.

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I'm soon going on a long trip, what are the best episodes of the Tom Woods show to keep myself company?

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good news everyone

next version of the shill guide is out

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Are white blood cells an illegal extension of the state?

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>debating natsoc friend

>holding my own pretty well

>follow up some point with another about how he can have his ethnostate by forming a gated community in ancap

>tell him if you dont like the rules of one community, you can easily move to another

<"but isnt that already how countries work?"

>"uhh… what?"

>he then goes on to theorize that the world is already ancap because countries are communities that you can voluntarily associate with

I know that's wrong, and I know some basic reasons why, such as the fact that it's too difficult to change nations for it to be viable, and the fact that nation states are too large and inclusive to build culturally homogeneous societies, but that doesnt really hold up in a debate. It sounds like I'm making excuses. Please help me articulate into words why the current world stage isn't already ancap, and help me find a definition for ancap that excludes this sort of predicament.

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Hey guys I really want to become an anarcho-capitalist but I don't have any mental illnesses. Can you recommend me any methods to induce enough brain damage in me to take ancaps seriously that's relatively painless?

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Since states keep growing their power and the less restrictive party only ever pauses, not reverses, the encroachment of the state, which party do you vote for if the libertarians cannot win? The centralizing one to accelerate the demise of the bureaucracy, or the moderating one?

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/pol/ finna bout to get dabbed on



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What if the PMC I hired turns on me and robs me instead?

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Where's your god now?

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An Apology for the FED

Institutional arrangement 1

>FED is maintained.

>Financial corporations have induced regulatory capture over the FED.

>Not ideal, but at least financial corporations have a large incentive to ensure that the U.S. maintains a currency that is relatively strong compared to other nations.

Institutional arrangement 2:

>FED is abolished.

>Great, now the U.S. Congress is in control of the money supply.

>B-b-b-but the constitution says that only gold and silver may–

>Congress ignores that as it does the rest of the constitution.

>Hyperinflation in 3…2…1…

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Behold, the anthem of libertarianism!

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Posting this on /liberty/, because this has doubled my desire for a private court system.

> A Georgia jury has awarded an eye-popping $1 billion verdict against a security company after an apartment complex guard was convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl.

>Zachary, who was 22 at the time of the rape, should never have been hired because he wasn't licensed to be an armed guard, Stewart said.

>The judge had already determined the security company was liable, so the jury was only determining damages, Stewart said. After reading the verdict, Stewart said, jurors immediately left the jury box — without waiting for the judge's permission — to hug Cheston and her mother.

>Verdicts in the tens of millions of dollars, or even hundreds of millions, are not uncommon, Jeff Dion, director of the National Crime Victim Bar Association said in an email. But he's never heard of a $1 billion verdict in a case with a single victim.


1 billion dollars. Think about that for a second, 1 BILLION dollars. That's the price of heart bypass surgery for 8500 people. A group of ~10 US adults deemed competent enough to perform as jurors sat down, listened to the case, and said "Yeah, a billion sounds right." Even if this is successfully appealed, and the amount is dropped to "just" 10% of its current value, that's still an absurdly high amount of money.

I'm not trying to make light of rape, but the moral hazards here far outweigh the potential benefits. In the US, if you had one million dollars, you would never have to work again in your life. So very clearly, the magnitude of the award has nothing to do with the woman's well-being; it's about making a "statement". And this statement will be heard by every single con-artist in the US. The judicial system has effectively elevated women to an existential liability for any non-Fortune-500 company, while simultaneously requiring them to artificially inflate the female/male ratio.

You can't even argue, "Well, spending money isn't necessarily a zero-sum game" in these cases; this isn't a profit-seeking investment.

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what do you think about psychiatry and antipsychiary? is it ok to coerce someone into treatment if someone is hallucinating? can i kill trespaser if he or she is sleepwalking? is adhd real?

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Should animals have legal rights against cruelty by humans?

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Why are non-whites incapable of libertarianism?

As far as I've seen, only white people have been able to invent and adopt voluntary principles, whereas Africans never progressed beyond glorified bandits that plundered and enslaved their neighbors for a living and Asiatic bugmen literally worship their totalitarian Oriental despots as living gods. I'm not a Nazi /pol/tard, but I'm starting to think that global white supremacy really is the only means of ensuring a truly free world.

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who was better

malolm x or martin luter king?

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Communism is anti-thetical to meritocracy because there's no point being good at anything if everyone is going to receive the same moldy government bread from the breadlines. that's why incompetent, unpleasant people are all communists. in a capitalist society, these people would all starve to death.

No, wait, in captalist societies they would actually have free food, it's in captalists system that they would starve - together with everyone else but the kikes.

Shit is so backwards it makes ancap look logical, which is saying a lot since even pure anarchism is more logical.

Prove me wrong.

You can't.

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guys I found something really big

they're following me around, trying to shut me up, trying to silence the truth.


most updated image says "postado updato"

it's all tied in to politics and religion and their attempts at controlling humanity.

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Are Libertarians the true chads?

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what is going on now in libertarian scene of your country?

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Is there a libertarian or at least politically neutral version of the Authoritarian Personality?


This is something that exists, but the Adorno book is slanted towards a particular style of politics.

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Incels are the sex proletariat. Your bourgeois rhetoric creates false consciousness that owners of means of reproduction should retain their monopoly on sex. Women should redistribute sex to those in need. "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

I see no problem with this logic.

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Apartment complexes

How can ownership be managed in apartment complexes? How likely would it be that flats there would be only rented, not sold? How is maintenance cost managed?

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>muh property

>muh helicopters

>muh freedom of speech

>muh free market

>muh race

How does it feel to know that you're always going to be cucked by spooks fam?

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>/soyboypol/ wins

Will /liberty/ ever recover?

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In a pony-human relationship; who is master, who is property, and who is free?

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How does ancapistan project naval force?

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What are your thoughts about the “AOC”?

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>we should legalize weed so we can tax it

>taxation is theft

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love for my ppl

love for my ppl

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why are most artists sjws?