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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.102635 [Open Thread]

allegedly mrs may was recently in india and she wanted to make free trade agreement with india but their president said that he can agree only if all indians get visa-free entrance to the uk

is not indian president afraid of losing taxpayers?

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 No.102724

>>102685

>liberalize the Indian economy

Remember that time they demonetised low denomination currency in order to "curtail illegal activity"?

Maybe Africa will be the next global superpower.

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 No.102732

>>102724

i dont

t. another anon

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 No.102737

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>102724

>Maybe Africa will be the next global superpower.

They probably will.

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 No.102745

>>102724

Isn't it the other way around? The psjeets stopped circulating high denomination bills because muh drug dealers laundering money.

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 No.102746

>>102745

I think you're right; I misremembered and erroneously assumed that a 500 rupee bill worth 7 USD would be a low denomination.

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 No.102667 [Open Thread]

Why was the US unable to resist central government?

They could have shown the world the possibility of enlightened de-centralism.

Diverse and beautiful local cultures, with a central government divorced from them all, to serve as their protector.

That way nationalism doesnt get too fierce, or corrode the local cultures, but the local cultures are still protected, and to some extent supported by the centre.

'What went wrong?'

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 No.102684

Fabianism is remarkably effective. My evidence will be the replies to this thread that all purport wildly different causes (the Civil War, the FED, the income tax, the military-industrial complex, etc., etc.).

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 No.102702

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>>102667

>resist central government

>get your major cities burnt down by Yankee scum

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 No.102703

>>102667

>Why was the US unable to resist central government?

Because it had a central governmental at all. Minarchist states will never say that way for long, because it is in the nature of every government to grow.

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 No.102714

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 No.102030 [Open Thread]

Using Austrian school economics instead of Chicago school?

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 No.102569

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>>102126

i once had a dream i was in a massive city on an island with huge glass skyscrapers and millions of people, and a huge airport full of people and restaurants, but the people spoke a language I didn't understand (at the time). sometimes I like to think it might have been Havana in an alternate reality where Cuba was capitalist.

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 No.102570

>>102569

I was referring as Chile taking the same place of gommie Cuba in the libertarian movement, as the big example of how to destroy the statist elite and build and strongarm a country towards an Ancap society and Pinochet being less than a meme and more of Goldcoated Fidel Castro.

But yeah, that's how I also imagine Cuba if weren't turned into the Jail-island is now.

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 No.102589

>>102569

it was a singapore

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 No.102626

>>102589

>singapore

>libertarian

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 No.102712

>>102626

singapore is based

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 No.102531 [Open Thread]

please recommend me nice 8ch boards

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 No.102567

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 No.102571

>>102556

/k/ here was coopted by NEETsocs, a shadow of his former glory.

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 No.102574

>>102571

The NEETSocs are an inescapable presence, but they're far from all-encompassing on 8/k/. The real menace is noguns Europoors. But despite the presence of both, every time I glance at half/k/ out of morbid curiosity, I'm reminded that as shit as our /k/ is every alternative is far worse.

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 No.102575

>>102571

NEETsocs are the furries of imageboards. Let a few in and soon you'll have a horde scream about fursecution teh jeeews.

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 No.102625

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 No.102572 [Open Thread]

Let's face it, if Trump didn't magically appeared out of nowhere pic related would be the US president now, I'm starting to think that all this alt-"right" surge was done by the powers that be to prevent the final rise of Libertarianism.

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 No.102573

I'm not sure getting Paul-kun (jr) into office would've changed anything. The President doesn't actually hold that much power.

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 No.102576

>pic related would be the US president now

doubt.jpg

The donor class preferred Jeb, Rubio and Cruz in pretty much that order. Cankles had a sumpremely well funded and incompetent team but the question remains whether Paul could've flipped the states he needed to flip for a win.

> doesn't actually hold that much power

He hold plenty but needs loyal personnel to act on it.

Which Trump fucked up badly by letting Rinsed Penis do most of the staffing causing the admin to be filled with NeverTrump cuckservatives and Obama holdovers.

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 No.102580

>>102572

He isn't attractive to the boomercon bulk of the party, so it's doubtful he could've won the primaries.

That said, he has the most cross-party appeal and firm values so he'd do well in a presidential race.

Missed opportunity imo.

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 No.102581

>>102572

I highly doubt that.

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 No.102587

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Wrong

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 No.102547 [Open Thread]

>so what's this libertarianism thingy, Anon?

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 No.102560

>>102558

Where do you live?

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 No.102561

>>102555

Because you live in a first world country where they receive gibs. Look at pictures of countries where libertarianism is implicitly tied to women's rights, and the number of libertarian women skyrockets.

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 No.102562

>>102555

I know it isn't much but there's Mackenzie who's an ancap cosplayer. She's surprisingly based though she is engaged. https://twitter.com/_Kenziepuff

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 No.102565

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>>102562

>she plays Girls Frontline

That IS based!

Honestly, I don't normally comment about shit like this but holy fuck those are some wide-ass hips, brb gotta fap.

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 No.102600

>>102547

Too old, sage

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 No.102359 [Open Thread]

Title Tbh

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 No.102422

>>102359

based and redpilled

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 No.102480

>>102422

obviously

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 No.102490

>disgraced

You mean based?

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 No.102493

>>102490

He is but that's not the general consensus of normies. I do think he is based but I tend to keep that in the low

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 No.102503

I hate the Frankfurt school except where they actually critique consumerism, but I digress. It's fun to use their theories against them, especially on sociological matters. Like I think the reason why pedophiles are most gay is because they got their ass beat growing up for being gay so they find someone who can't fight back. For the small percentage that are straight, it's because of essential gender roles of women taking it and men giving it. Human beings, human doings and all that jazz, younger women are actually more fertile and it used to be practiced until the advent of femikikery in the public eye. Also you can't make kids with poopdick. William Reich used against himself

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 No.102365 [Open Thread]

If you took Stirners "anti-objectivity" stance but was against altruism as much as Ayn Rand what is that?

Also general ethics thread.

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 No.102445

If I were to grab an SK and foolhardly tried to save Assange, where am I w.r.t. NAP?

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 No.102476

>>102445

why do you still believe in that? everyone is in this world for themselves. most capitalists would say "you're not trying hard enough to be successful"

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 No.102477

>>102421

no he was an anarchist

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 No.102542

>>102476

If we all descend into Barbarism the world will be rendered uninhabitable. The idea is create a society which values liberty so that it can turn its guns outwards and prevent that from happening.

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 No.102552

>>102542

>and prevent that from happening.

Prevent a descent into barbarism. I see now that my post could read "prevent valuing liberty from happening".

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 No.102298 [Open Thread]

ancap is nice but i like white sharia more because seeing whoredom makes me suffer and butthurt because im an incel

rate

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 No.102423

>>102312

is wanting modest, honest, virtuous wife a pathological attitude toward sex?

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 No.102425

>>102357

I'd go broader and say that it's for bottom-caste males in general. Being a nerd is still bad but nerd interests are cool so they can't use that and just saying virgin was starting to get dated so now the new hotness is 'incel' for insulting males at the bottom of the social hierarchy.

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 No.102439

>>102379

>>102425

Stop playing into the Communists hands. It is a term forged in the fires of faggotry. It is a meaningless term meant simply to fling at your enemies. Do not ascribe it meaning, do not use it, simply mock its use with derision.

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 No.102465

>>102423

>>102425

>>102439

>>102379

>>102357

>5 answers

>each completely different

I think we can safely say the word might as well be meaningless

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 No.102510

>>102350

>incels

The very fact that you use this term tells me you are from reddit. Go back. Robots are not incels.

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 No.101152 [Open Thread]

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 No.102366

File: 50182708e99daf6⋯.png (232.41 KB,461x447,461:447,(You) don't belong here.png)

>>102355

>toxic

>(you) Americans

>I r smart oldfag

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 No.102374

>>102355

>revolutionized linguistics

That is an impressive feat for someone known for their incoherent mumbling.

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 No.102378

>>102374

It is true, though

He took a sledgehammer to social constructionism in linguistics and invented the hierarchy of formal grammars, which is a theory of language that comprehensively ties it to formal logic and set theory.

He basically proved language shares a fundamental logical structure with mathematics, as far as I can tell. Really interesting and deep stuff, but not related to politics in the slightest.

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 No.102427

>>101158

>Make no mistake, Chomsky, especially in the realm of economics and his apologist nature for socialism, communism and the like, is a fucking moron. The problem here is that the author isn't too bright either.

Socialism is, by definition, when the goverment does stuff, the more stuff the goverment does the socialister it is.

Communism is when the goverment does a lot of stuff.

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 No.102428

>>102427

[…] Thus, communism is when there is a lot of socialism.

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 No.101607 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

For an individual to be considered a human being, he has to recognise other human beings as so, thus, as humanity derivates from the ability to hold property, those who do not respect other's properties do not deserve to be respected as human and should be both legal and ethical to shoot them on spot.

Let's say, for the shake of argument, that I don't allow my property to be polluted, such a thing allows me to ask for a compensation if somebody polluted my land or my body with chemicals, cigarrete smoke, etc… a refusal to provide such compensation would allow me to shot the aggresor in the spot or to force my way into earn such compensation, like organ harvesting or debtors prision (which is not slavery like statist say, as nobody forces you to commit crimes, thus being this kind of "forced" labour voluntary at the end).

The exact same logic applies to IP, the main reason why I like article 13 so much, it does not matter, at all, if ideas or information are abundant in nature (they are not- as they relay on scarce resources like time and energy), let me explain:

Water and air are both abundant in nature, however, both their harvesting and removal of pollution requiere resources that are not scarce, pretty much the same can be applied to IP.

As a side note, IP should be eternal, saying otherwhise would be geolibertarian pink-socialism, asking IP to expire is like asking land property rights to expire.

As both a Disney and Activision-Blizzard shareholder you are literally taking food out of my mouth.

So stop illegaly downloading online content you socialist brats or the day of the rope will come sooner than you think.

Thanks for your time faggots. -L

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 No.102284

>>102271

they arent

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 No.102287

>>102284

>A first principle is an axiom that cannot be deduced from any other within that system.

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 No.102308

>>102287

> Pewnego rodzaju odpowiednikiem "pierwszych zasad" jest w logice współczesnej pojęcie "aksjomatu" – zasady uznane w logice tradycyjnej za "pierwsze" nie mogą jednak stanowić aksjomatyki rachunku zdań ani żadnego systemu dedukcyjnego. Są one bowiem twierdzeniami, które wyprowadza się z aksjomatów rachunku zdań za pomocą wielu kroków dowodowych.

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 No.102417

>>102308

Looks like whoever wrote the article is confusing a priori statements with a posteriori statements.

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 No.102730

>>102186

Prove it.

Completely.

Without resorting to circular reasoning.

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 No.102323 [Open Thread]

People joke a lot about the NAP and how an ancap would shoot a little kid that wanders into a yard and all that (you know the memes). I fully understand that this case is a logical extreme but in the unlikely chance of it happening would ancapistan have any sort of recourse if a person were to kill an ignorant child for trespassing aside from refusing to trade with them. Is it simply an unfortunate circumstance one has to live with?

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 No.102332

Not directly addreesing the topic, but more as an addendum to the other posts: When a skeptic is considering whether a private alternative would function comparably to a current government system, ask the question: Is the government equivalent really that great?

When you say a system ought to provide "recourse" that carries the implication that such a mechanism be effective. Does our judicial system consistently provide fair and commensurate punishment for crimes (or non-crimes)? Are different groups of people and people guilty of different offenses really treated equally under the law? Do the enforced laws coincide well with local customs and values of a community?

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 No.102354

>>102323

private courts

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 No.102367

Most likely in ancapistan the child will have a gun so good luck doing that

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 No.102368

What Subjective non-altruism?

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 No.102752

>>102323

Do you think people generally dislike [problem you've identified]?

Do you think people would prefer that [problem you've identified] were solved?

If so, then there's a profit opportunity in solving [problem you've identified].

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 No.102230 [Open Thread]

Why do you guys like your surplus labor value being taken by your boss?

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 No.102333

>>102283

>truth is bait

Hey liberal, shouldn't your newfag ass be on /pol/?

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 No.102334

>>102230

If the value that the company takes truly is undeserved why don't employees simply quite and keep the value themselves or offer said value without being employed by a company? It is because the structure and benefits said companies provide outweigh the surplus value to the point of necessity. Not to mention if you are employed you probably agreed to the terms therefore really its your fault if you think said arrangement is unsatisfactory and if there is no other person willing to hire then perhaps you might not make as much value as you think you do.

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 No.102337

>>102334

No, it's clearly because the system forces you to work for Amazon, at gunpoint. If I don't do anything I'll starve to death. That's not freedom.

>perhaps you might not make as much value as you think you do.

How dare you suggest that some workers don't deserve the wages they are paid. You're probably an evil capitalist who hates fair working conditions for Africans and likes child labor. I stand with workers. #UnionsAreWorkingPeopleWhoStandTogether #CaliforniaLaborFederation

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 No.102353

>>102272

fortunately im slav and slav arent white :^)

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 No.103059

>>102230

The worker, on his own, can make one "value".

The capitalist's capital enables the worker to make 8 "value" instead.

The capitalist uses 5 of those "value" to cover the cost of maintaining the capital and paying off loans for having it built in the first place.

The capitalist keeps 1 "value" for himself.

Repeat across one million workers, and those workers collectively now have 1 million more "value" than they otherwise would have had, and so does he.

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 No.102328 [Open Thread]

I used to believe in a more ancap-style right-libertarian order, but now I'm starting to see the benefits of having institutions that constitute more than one individual collectively owned. However, even though I think "wage-slavery" as some would call it is undesirable and should definitely be avoided, I don't think it would really be feasible to just outright abolish or pretend that it will not exist entirely in a libertarian order. That being said, I still think some sort of libertarian order would be the most beneficial, and we should progress towards one. And as far as one-man sole proprietor businesses go, the ancap approach generally makes a lot of sense to me. The free-market is cool so long as the autonomy of individuals (assuming they haven't physically assaulted or harmed anyone) is respected and not undermined. Mutual aid is also something that I'd like to see free-markets respect, but the bare minimum I ask for is respect for individual autonomy. It's also important to note that I don't think a state would be able to serve as an ideal arbiter in this system and that I wouldn't be opposed to federations of communes or ancap covenants existing so long as their respected communities properly consent to living in their systems on a basic level and that they don't violently attempt to invade other jurisdictions with no justifiable reason that is able to be confirmed by several legal arbiters (not necessarily ones that run for profit like in a Friedmanian-ancap system either, as I'd imagine a lot of those sorts of organizations that will manage to have any real backing by most libertarian jurisdictions would be the ones that are operated by trained volunteers with no profit incentive). Another thing I should note is that I don't deliberately attempt to adhere to a strict economic school of thought outside of me believing in free-markets that respect individual autonomy, liberty, and to an extent- mutual aid….and I also believe in the subjective theory of value.

On the other hand though- after reading a little bit of Ted Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future, I noticed that Ted actually had some good points that should be considered. I don't find transhumanism/post-humanism to be inherently undesirable, but aspects of it that don't help free the individual from the system of social control that Kaczynski describes shouldPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.102329

>What even am I at this point?

A faggot.

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 No.102338

Δłł γѻμ ηēēԁ is sѻmē ŗēsէ. Kiłł էԩē ċѻmmiēs fѻŗ ԁăԁ, ѡԩēη γѻμ ġēէ băċk, ԁăԁ ѡiłł ġiυē γѻμ sѻmē ηiċē ŗēsէ.

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 No.102339

>no real feedback

Thx /liberty/, it's no wonder this board is thriving right now

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 No.102341

>>102339

Cf >>100308 and its responses.

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 No.102344

>>102328

You're a confused voluntaryist.

>I used to believe in a more ancap-style right-libertarian order, but now I'm starting to see the benefits of having institutions that constitute more than one individual collectively owned.

Collective property rights are perfectly acceptable in libertarian thought, and imo preferable in some instances; aquifers, urban infrastructure and militias are all good examples.

>The free-market is cool so long as the autonomy of individuals (assuming they haven't physically assaulted or harmed anyone) is respected and not undermined.

The best way to ensure that is what happens is to distribute law enforcement. Read the machinery of freedom, it's online and very straightforward (kinda like an anti-Kapital).

>the newly-born posthuman can be free to do gay space shit at its will.

Read Accelerando, by Charles Stross

>I do not believe that a state relaxing immigration restrictions would be legitimate if that very same state legally restricts your ability to defend yourself or your ability to freely associate

That makes you not stupid.

>>102339

You wrote a rambling, incoherent blogpost.

Don't blame people for not taking the time to work through it.

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 No.102278 [Open Thread]

In all seriousness (without any helicopter jokes or anything), should those who don't believe in private property be forbidden from owning private property? As far as I'm concerned, from an ethical standpoint, the second you say that private property doesn't exist, you aren't allowed to own your self and your own body, so you become no one's property and you lose all rights as a human being. I know Hoppe came up with this, but I never read about how this would work in practice.

The only practical problem I see with this theory is how to correctly determine whether someone is a property-denier or not so as to prevent false accusations and abuse, while also preventing leftists from dodging punishment when (as usual) they lie and pretend to not be the dirty, filthy leftists that they are.

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 No.102279

Those who don't believe private property exist are much like those who don't exist gravity exists; within ancapistan, you wouldn't need to kill them because their actions will bring about their own deaths more than soon enough.

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 No.102281

>>102278

thoughtcrime huh?

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 No.102292

Yēs, OP, jμsէ sԩѻէ էԩēm ѻη էԩē fiŗsէ iηԁiċăէiѻη ѻf bēiġη ċѻmmiēs.

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 No.102315

No one gives a fuck in what leftists believe or not, just physically remove them if they start acting on it, like you would do with any person that has shitty ideas

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