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Ya'll need Mises.

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What do you do to distract yourself from the fact that every year the economic control of the State is going to get worse, that the younger demographic is very socialistic, the threat of the default of the entire financial system, and the threat of nuclear war and/or other apocalyptic events that always loom on the horizon?

I watch shitty Japanese cartoons, play videogames from the mid-90s, and then remember I'm just distracting myself as I listen to vaporwave in a depressive stupor.

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I don't know what to tell you, OP. I basically feel the same way, except I want to at least profit off the industries that are abused the most in order to travel the world before the collapse. I can't because of Nepotism and cash limitations though.



Some of us are already dead. Not everyone is "holding back" and can "live a little" with any effects.



If you're truly dead, go get a credit card from the bank and make an impromptu trip to Tijuana. Blow it all on cocaine and hookers.


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First time i've seen a good suggestion from a christian tbh. Well done.



>Not everyone is "holding back"

<Okay so just really get crazy

Was my post really so incomprehensible or are you illiterate?

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Over time, after becoming anarcho-capitalist, I've began to realize that Max Stirner is right. I started out as a deontological anarcho-capitalist, but over time, I realized that morals are spooks. I realized many truths along the way.

1) Being deontological is an oxymoron. One of the most famous deontologists is Kant and Kantian Ethics defines rules as what would be most beneficial if everybody followed them. What's that? Rules are only good if people benefit from the consequences? Wow, it looks like you are actually a RULE CONSEQUENTIALIST. Anyone who is truly deontological for truly "moral" reasons is entirely devoid of logic and instead creates morals purely out of "feels." It's a petty disagreement, but an important note to make.

2) Deontology leads to ridiculous conclusions. According to deontology, morality is objective. What if I were to trespass on another's property in order to save someone's life? Would I be wrong to save someone's life? Would the owner be wrong to defend their property? Are we both right? Are we both wrong? Us being both right implies this is a moral grey-zone, meaning morals are not objective.

3) Traditional consequentialism is retarded. No-one can know the true consequences of their own actions for certain. Consequentialism is just gambling with ethics thrown in. Consequentialism sounds good on paper, but the consequences of this philosophy is collectivism. That one can be sacrificed for the good of the many. It fails by its own principles.

4) Morals are spooks. Moral rules are implemented in the form of laws with the purpose of stability and because they are most beneficial to each individual. Personal morals are simply pleasing your own "ego;" your desire to feel good about yourself. For example, to an anarcho-communist, no-one can own property and they do nothing wrong by robbing others of their property. From their perspective, property rights is the aggression. The problem with communists is that a communist society is not beneficial to the individual, as force is used to steal and because communist societies inevitably collapse under authoritarianism and mass-starvation.

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>I-I I totally don't care at all you guize!

I do care about this board, but not enough to put more effort in it that shitposting, especially when it comes to discussing these questions with your type of people.

>You nigger.

Pots shouldn't call kettles niggers. By your words. Lack of cultism is not a cult.


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though you did remind me about one thing - during such discussions regarding different ideas it's a lot harder to not think in morals because the whole topic is what we wish things to be, so judging them comes from one's very own perspective and worldview. I couldn't denote your position as faulty without making what basically is a moral judgement, something that's not that hard to remove from your position during observation. I guess i got carried away, as making the type of argument i should have would just repeat what i already had said before. Weird. I guess i'll have to think about that later.



Note that I never stated nor implied that people are any better at determining what's best for anyone else than they are at determining what's best for themselves (in fact, they're demonstrably much worse at it). My point was that "doing what's best for yourself at all costs" almost always defaults to "doing what's worse for everyone else at all costs," even when it results in even you getting fucked over in the end. Egoists are the kind of people who always defect in the prisoner's dilemma, even with infinite iterations.


It's possible to acknowledge solipsism and whatever other implications to Egoism without actually adopting the mindset. It's basically the same as acknowledging that it's highly unlikely that free will actually exists, and yet understanding that it's better to believe in the fiction that you're in control of your life than to give up your agency and merely let things happen to you (not that you really have control over whether you believe in free will or not, anyway).

Or for another example, take Yoda's wisdom: "do or do not, there is no try." On the face of it, it doesn't actually make sense: of course it's possible to try and fail. But if you go to perform a task for which your statistical chance of success is 80%, and you resolve to try to complete that task but accept that there's a 20% chance of failure, then what you actually get is 80% of an 80% success rate. It's only when you absolutely won't take no for an answer and will do whatever is necessary and still fail that you know that you gave it a proper try. It's actually kind of magical when you see someone give up on something partway through and declare that they simply can't do it and you chew them out until they go back and do it and realize how much more they're capable of than they ever thought possible. I'm not advocating ignorance, I'm merely suggesting that due to the human condition there are reasons why it may be beneficial to act as if things are different than they are.


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>My point was that "doing what's best for yourself at all costs" almost always defaults to "doing what's worse for everyone else at all costs," even when it results in even you getting fucked over in the end

Kind of an empty assumption of a point.

>Egoists are the kind of people who always defect in the prisoner's dilemma, even with infinite iterations.

If you actually studied prisoner's dilemma you'd know that from perspective of game theory all participants in it are already complete, absolute egoists. Here's an example - you walk into a shop where you can buy or steal something, while the shopkeeper can refuse to offer you an item. The item is valuable to you. If you steal the item you get it for free but cannot use the shop now, while if you buy it you can do it later. From that it's a slightly modified prisoner's dilemma, as well as an example of an RL event that proves you wrong.

(Shop/you) Steal Pay

Offer -1/2 1/1

Refuse 0/0 0/0

>it's better to believe in the fiction that you're in control of your life than to give up your agency and merely let things happen to you

Seems like your understanding of determinism is just as lacking.

>80% of an 80% success rate

Technically, these things aren't randon, they just have variables that we cannot immediately conceive and acknowledge.

>It's only when you absolutely won't take no for an answer and will do whatever is necessary and still fail that you know that you gave it a proper try

Yes, humans are very much animals and acting based on their instincts may prove beneficial short term, yet developing ability and skills to act rationally allows not only to not make mistakes long term, but to even remove this irrationality, albeit partially, like we've done now. One day, when man's mind will become a machine, there will be this Android level of random jankiness in us no more, allowing us to gain full control not just of our body, but our mind. PPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Another forced trannypol meme that is owed a measured response is the Universal Basic Income. It needs to be put down wherever it rears its hyperinflating head so here's some information I was able to put together.

Estimated current US Population over 18:


Cost of $1,000/mo ($12,000/yr) per 18+ individual per year:


Current Total Federal Budget:


Estimate total gross revenue of 10% VAT (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-would-rate-be-under-vat):


>but people already receive benefits

True, but this proposal still involves much more spending; let's look at some of the bigger ones and maybe exclude the lesser ones:

62 million people currently receive Social Security benefits receiving an average of $1,200 monthly, so that group of people would add a substantially lower number versus what is already collected, 148,000,000,000 instead of 892,000,000,000 were they not already receiving benefits of some sort.

42 million SNAP beneficiaries receive an average of $253 a monthly so they would cost an additional 376,488,000,000 on top of the 127,512,000,000 they already receive (504,000,000,000)

All told that is a decrease of about 367.5 billion, but still leaves a 2.7 trillion dollar deficit unaccounted for

At best a 10% VAT (i.e. increasing the cost of all goods and services produced or offered throughout the entire country) will only help fund the UBI by around 25%. You would need a VAT of almoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Good luck not being branded a murderer and having mcpolice killing you and siezing your property.


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>moving the goal posts

>that far



I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing that Ancapistan or private courts or whatever else are a bad idea. I'm not a statist, I don't believe government courts are good or effective, and I don't think that there is really any sense in which Ancapistan *wouldn't* be a utopia compared to the current situation. All I've been saying is that I think you're still thinking of property like a statist, and haven't fully explored the consequences of stateless society. I happen to think that the unimaginable levels of wealth that exist at the highest echelons of society are a result of the state, and that without the interference of the state, there is a practical limit to the amount of wealth that any entity, whether private or corporate, will be able to amass.

Thus my original post was suggesting that because unimaginable wealth is a result of the state, it's not actually a bad idea for the state to make at least a token effort to balance things back out. Not only is it ethical to try to make some money make it back to those it was stolen from, however ineffectively, but UBI is also practically a more effective method than the systems it replaces: not just defective means-tested welfare programs that keep people poor, but also things like minimum wage and medical bills accrued and defaulted on by those without the means for preventative care.



>UBI is also practically a more effective method than the systems it replaces

Really? Here: >>98902

UBI won't replace anything. It will be another layer of statism.



Yeah, I agree that Yang's proposal is terrible. I admit that most UBI proposals will be terrible. I hold that UBI as a concept is not a terrible idea (or at least not more terrible than any other law or government program). I also think that blowing it off as "it's wealth redistribution, therefore it's evil" as in >>99230 is misguided, since it works directly opposite wealth redistribution programs that are built into the very concept of the state.

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what's the cause of this house debt and student loan debt crisis? why is student loan debt and household debt skyrocketing? why are people buying less houses? is it the government or a side effect of the free market?



>house debt

federal reserve low interest rates

>student loan debt

government laons


For future reference, the QTDDTOTT is here: >>97996

The answer to your question is the result of the degree industry getting subsidized from both sides. Widespread financial aid programs increase the ability-to-pay of every student, which causes the price to increase, similar to why inflation causes prices to increase. However, direct financial aid is relatively small when compared to tuition cost, so it's clear that there's more happening here. The other contributor on the consumer side is that even "private" student loans are almost all bought up by the government even if a private institution gives them out. Since the government will buy them up immediately, banks assume next to no risk when giving out student loans. This means they'll approve almost every application for a student loan, which increases the demand for student loans, and an increase in demand causes an increase in price.

On the supply side, private and public universities alike receive a healthy amount of government funding to subsidize their costs. As the government has an effectively infinite willingness-to-pay, any subsidized university can't go bankrupt, and there's no longer any incentive for universities to minimize cost. As a result, programs, departments, and hiring decisions which would be considered useless waste in an unrestricted market are approved without question, and university operating costs begin to balloon to ridiculous proportions. Further, government interference in other forms actively encourages universities to waste money on useless, nonproductive overhead. Thanks to Title IX and the flagrant abuses thereof, every university now spends millions on hiring diversity officers, setting up an evaluation system to deal with Title IX reports and similar accusations, gender studies departments, and other such subversive nonsense. And that's only scratching the surface of the subsidies provided.



maybe milenials take gender studies degree and then realize they dont earn money so they cannot pay debt

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Should chicagoans and other non-misesian libertarians even be called libertarian?

<Economist Milton Friedman considered Mises inflexible in his thinking:

>The story I remember best happened at the initial Mont Pelerin meeting when he got up and said, "You're all a bunch of socialists." We were discussing the distribution of income, and whether you should have progressive income taxes. Some of the people there were expressing the view that there could be a justification for it.

>Another occasion which is equally telling: Fritz Machlup was a student of Mises's, one of his most faithful disciples. At one of the Mont Pelerin meetings, Machlup gave a talk in which I think he questioned the idea of a gold standard; he came out in favor of floating exchange rates. Mises was so mad he wouldn't speak to Machlup for three years. Some people had to come around and bring them together again. It's hard to understand; you can get some understanding of it by taking into account how people like Mises were persecuted in their lives.

based Ludwig

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Caplan is a liberal who is mostly annoyed the (neo-)liberal program isn't being instituted radically and fast enough for his liking FYI.



>Bryan Caplan

isn't he the guy who tried to "debunk" Austrian economics?


>As for Milton Friedman, I would not call him a libertarian. Same with Hayek. They were classical liberals, perhaps, or whigs, but not libertarians.

Milton and Hayek both wanted UBI.

milton is believe is a self professed neo liberal. Hayek also believed there should be a central bank. I think you're right about Hayek being a classical liberal though



Hayke had plently of radical policy proposals .e.g denationalizing money but he's still regarded as the more "respectable" Austrian.



I have to wonder whether Hayek actually believed the shit he said about things like the minimum wage, or if that was tactical counter-signaling on his part to keep him well-respected in academic circles.


> Hayek also believed there should be a central bank.

You have a source on that? It's the first I've heard of this, and considering his work on ABCT I find it hard to believe he'd ever advocate for a central bank.


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>Milton Friedman: "some economists… like me [advocated for a progressive income tax*]"

*context is correct and there is no exaggeration

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What is the best ethical justification for libertarianism? Mises used a utilitarian defence and argued that libertarianism ought to be adopted because it produces the most happiness and prosperity in the long run. This justification isn't particularly strong however, because many people have endgoals which they prioritize over liberty or prosperity. There is Hoppe's argumentation ethics, which essentially says that any action which infringes on the rights of others cannot be argued for without a contradiction, and thus that action is irrational. He also has the position that libertarianism is the best means of avoiding conflicts between people. Then there's Rothbard's view on the matter, which he explained in The Ethics of Liberty. The basic jist of this view is that it is natural for humans to exercise control over themselves and their justly-acquired property, and thus wrong for someone else to infringe on someone else's person or property and inflict their own will. There are probably other justifications which I am forgetting or unaware of as of yet, but which is the most concrete.

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Where my fellow Chad Rule Consequentialists (basically deontology, but with a different underlying thought process) at?



statists are drone state worshippers.



>still identifies with his own mind and thinks that he is his own thoughts

You can't even say what you've said without implying you're a fucking idiot for saying it.


Libertarian ism is the passive stance. The onus is on the active stance to justify the initiation of force.


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>"Okay, but what about people who choose violence instead of argumentation?

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is pic related a good way to destroy competition in a free market?

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What does Rothbard propose?



Not the guy above you, first of all. Concerning such regulations as "drive on the right lane", Rothbard believed that such rules are either customary, or enforced by the owners of the roads, who will have an interested in enacting uniform rules. In a way, we have that in the computer business. Every programmer tries to make his program run on Windows, because that is the standard. Some also make it for Linux. Very few eschew these options, and write a program for some extreme fringe operation system. It is legal to do so, but few programmers do, most follow the standards, simply because the customers expect that. It would be the same with road owners.



God, I wish we had at least private roads.

>having a beer with my boomer dad

>discussing politics and current events

>say that roads should be privatized

>owners will have an incentive to mainain them to raise the property value

>"son, we already have that shit in countries like saudi arabia"


>"yeah, the prince would own some road and get people to pay for it, it fucking sucks"




is a private community a good idea?


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>the prince would own some road


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The Vast Vast majority of the Cuban population continues to support the Communist party and the massive leaps in development it has made on the Island (With Cuba far outranking pretty much all of its immediate neighbours in terms of its quality of life under most metrics)

I can't imagine that the "Cuban Mises Fellowship" or whatever it is has that much traction over there


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>the massive leaps in development it has made on the Island

Yeah, by forcing abortions on women who carry children that would drag down the statistics:


If that is development, then thanks, I want none of it.




>I can't imagine that the "Cuban Mises Fellowship" or whatever it is has that much traction over there

For a country that kills and imprisons dissidents, I doubt there would be many people overtly joining the group either.



The last pending death penalty's in Cuba were Commuted last year iirc


Ignoring the fact that he is refusing to even use his real name and credentials thus putting this articles reliablity into immediate question

Just teaching people that how to use condoms and that Abortion is an option if they get pregnant isn't "Forcing women to get abortions"


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>Ignoring the fact that he is refusing to even use his real name and credentials thus putting this articles reliablity into immediate question

From the article:

>(Dr. Jose Marti (a pseudonym is a physician practicing in Cuba. He has asked Population Research Institute to withhold his real name for fear of reprisals. — Editor.)

You know, as happened to Dr. Óscar Elías Biscet: https://stream.org/castro-regime-tortured-doctor-for-protesting-abortions-infanticide/

>Just teaching people that how to use condoms and that Abortion is an option if they get pregnant isn't "Forcing women to get abortions"

And yet, the article:

>Dr. Carlos Ciro Machado, a doctor who arrived from Cuba as an immigrant just a few months ago, related to TV Marti last July a case he himself witnessed. Dr. Machado said he saw a premature baby in a bucket and called the doctor in charge. He was told to let the baby die because it might die in spite of medical care and raise the infant mortality rate. Dr, Machado then called the head nurse and she said the same thing. Despite their opposition Dr. Machado gave the baby medical care, but the baby died anyway six hours later. Cuba is more interested in its international image than in caring for the health of its people, said Dr. Machado.

I am pretty sure throwing babies into trashcans qualifies as infanticide.

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How French “Intellectuals” Ruined the West: Pozzmodernism and Its Impact, Explained

Pozzmodernism presents a threat not only to liberal democracy but to modernity itself. That may sound like a bold or even hyperbolic claim, but the reality is that the cluster of ideas and values at the root of Pozzmodernism have broken the bounds of academia and gained great cultural power in western society. The irrational and identitarian “symptoms” of Pozzmodernism are easily recognizable and much criticized, but the ethos underlying them is not well understood. This is partly because Pozzmodernists rarely explain themselves clearly and partly because of the inherent contradictions and inconsistencies of a way of thought which denies a stable reality or reliable knowledge to exist. However, there are consistent ideas at the root of Pozzmodernism and understanding them is essential if we intend to counter them. They underlie the problems we see today in Social Justice Activism, undermine the credibility of the Left and threaten to return us to an irrational and tribal “pre-modern” culture.

Pozzmodernism, most simply, is an artistic and philosophical movement which began in France in the 1960s and produced bewildering art and even more bewildering “theory.” It drew on avant-garde and surrealist art and earlier philosophical ideas, particularly those of Nietzsche and Heidegger, for its anti-realism and rejection of the concept of the unified and coherent individual. It reacted against the liberal humanism of the modernist artistic and intellectual movements, which its proponents saw as naïvely universalizing a western, middle-class and male experience.

It rejected philosophy which valued ethics, reason and clarity with the same accusation. Structuralism, a movement which (often over-confidently) attempted to analyze human culture and psychology according to consistent structures of relationships, came under attack. Marxism, with its understanding of society through class and economic structures was regarded as equally rigid and simplistic. Above all, Pozzmodernists attacked science and its goal of attaining objective knowledge about a reality which exists independently of human perceptions which they saw as merely another form of construPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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was john nash wrong?


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yeah because game theory is gobbledigook








yeah but his science was right

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What sectors do you think the next recession will be in? How bad do you think it will be?

My predictions:

- The city of NYC, the city of Chicago, or the State of Illinois will declare bankruptcy.

- Money will flow out of the municipal and state bond markets, causing interest rates to rise in these markets.

- Loads of municipal and State bankruptcies.


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here's my prediction:

>trump can't get re-elected because he isn't fulfilling campaign promises

>Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden win 2020 (pic related)

>Bernie or Biden make it so banks are forced to give out high risk investment loans and have to give consumer loans

>amount of savings drastically decrease

>economy goes into a recession like 2008

this will all happen conveniently when China's economy begins to collapse because all they do is print money.



Funny you should mention NYC bankruptcy: >>>/n/752955



bankruptcy is a natural part of a market economy

bailouts aren't

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What did they mean by this?

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>The USSR's economy growing at a slightly slower rate then predicted is not much of a concern




Reminder that the USSR's highest reported GDP was in the year that it fell.


They are already outsourcing the industry on china to countries like Etiopia, they might be forced to stop encoraging exports with shrewd monetary politics.



Though the USSR's did slow and stagnate through the 80's thinking that was the sole cause of its collapse and not the massive sabotage that took place under Gorbachev (Dissolving of CMEA / WP / dismantaling DotP / Pulling out of Afghanistan / National-Question) is ridiculous

Yuri Andropov's reforms during his brief tenure as Soviet leader saw a decent decrease to the economic stagnation


See my above reply


A crisis occurring within a socialist state's economy does not mean it has "Failed" as a reform or other methods of fixing a problem is always possible

This would pretty much be like me saying capitalism can never bounce back from a crisis because the Market and the goverment can't recalibrate themselves to solve it



>Pulling out of Afghanistan was a massive sabotage which aided the collapse of the USSR

>Ending a costly foreign entanglement destabilized the state via economic damage

How could that possibly be true?

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City of Ahlen had a family that wouldn't pay their taxes. So they went to their house, took the dog, and sold him on eBay. I fucking shit you not. They sold their fucking dog on eBay over a tax debt.

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Exodus and Leviticus are old jew books, are they not? The big J man said that Christians are people of the new, spiritual, law, not the old, jewish, law.


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Matthew 5:17

>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.



Yes, yes, you think you're very amusing. What about Galatians 3:23-25?

>Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

What about Ephesians 2:15? What about Romans 10:4? I'm having a hard time finding the exact line where Jesus himself said Christians are men of the "new, spiritual law" because I can't recall the exact phrasing, but that the old Jew laws are irrelevant is undeniable by anyone being remotely honest. Even your own passage can easily be seen to mean "It's not that there are no laws, it's that this is the logical continuation of those laws." Go ahead and be a shitty Christian though, it makes it a lot easier to ignore everything you're saying since even the things you profess to believe are obviously things you don't actually believe.




>Using ceremonial law verses

>not knowing about the diference between the ceremonial law and the moral law

by that logic, you must also respect other hebrew customs like resting in the sabath and not eating pork.

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If someone is a psychopath and they believe in stealing, what makes your opinion better than theirs? Inb4 'I'll just shoot them'. No one cares. I want to know the answer to the question above.

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>To people like you

You're not in position to look down on something, authoritarian filth.


>And you cannot give me such an example. In fact, you refuse to give me one.

Not really, this was my first post directed at you. But ok, a person who doesn't play in your moralistic games will always be more logically consistent.

>I neatly laid down my premises

Nah, if anything, you simply mutilated what was already ugly second class scientific fields and turned them into a moral system.

>if you think having an expensive car and snorting cocaine is the pinnacle of happiness

Strawman, though i guess this is indeed better than the happiness of being watched by people with genetic resemblance of yourself when dying.

>They aren't. Have you ever looked into this topic?

They are, have you? Their relationships are meaningful as they lead them to the outcomes they desire. But try to redefine the meaning of meaningfulness once again, commie.

>LOL Aristotle was dumm dumm xDDD

And this comes from someone whose argument wasn't appeal to authority, by his words.

>Like, unironically read a book.

Here >>>/leftypol/ , there's an active club of readers for the likes of you.

You don't even have to go on full retard, I'm not even hating you, we've already had a nice talk a while ago, just lighten up on autism next time you post instead of acting like a rabid protestant anti-evolutionist.


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I guess i need to clarify. My intention was to poke at you cause since your return you've been acting like a complete leftist retard. I understand that long containment within christian circles does affect one's brain cells in the most harmful ways but that's not a reason to turn every reply into a blatant circlejerk while simultaneously autofellating your own sense of pride, purity, accomplishment and superiority. If you cannot, go back and read your previous posts, the ones before you left and chill the fuck out.



This kills the christcuck.




>active club of readers

They never even read what they suggest. For example, in Das Kapital, Marx both supports the Iron Law of Wages in one section and counters it in the next.

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>students for liberty

have you been at their events? how was it? what do you think about this organisation? inb4 cucked sjws


> students for liberty

what's this?


What's the difference between it and YAL? I've only had experience with the latter; the chapter at my uni was filled mostly with Gary Johnson types rather than Ron Paul types so I stopped participating.


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Yes. I worked with them for a few years as a Campus Coordinator. Their goal is to basically be a "big tent" organization. They almost ruined my life in a couple ways, but I won't get into that. Their organization has gone down the shitter due to not following through with members, internal politics during the election years, internal corruption, and the fact that their DC offices really don't fucking understand what life is like anywhere west of Kentucky or south of North Carolina. They partner up with Young Americans for Liberty where they get about 70% of their domestic members that show up for the International Students For Liberty Conference every year, which is one of the few redeemable parts of SFL still around (at least it was until they brought the fucking leftist Pussy Riot band to the conference in protest of a few of their ISFL members getting told to fuck off/eat shit in Eastern Europe). They were heavily allied with the Alliance For The Libertarian Left until the C4SS child molestation incidents (you can see this in any of their chapter websites where everyone's raising their fists), and they threw Texas under the bus effectively losing the entire fucking state from their sphere of influence because they didn't like the guy (girl?) who was in charge at the time. The Texans had a 700% increase in membership in the course of two years, but he (she? can't remember this was a few years ago) was busy doing shit in Texas/telling the DC offices to fuck off and let him do his shit, so they fired him and the Texas branch took 90% of their membership with them while telling SFL to eat shit. The women were pretty slutty and would usually sleep around with other Campus Coordinators at any event they happened to be a part of (which is a huge breech of trust/business ethics I might add), and the DC leadership had no qualms with handing 21+ drink tickets to minors at their gatherings to the point where the DEA was actually called on them during the ISFL conference one year. Alexander McCobin is totally bro-tier and he used to have an AnCap flag in his office (not sure if he does any more after getting married). Igor Sampaio is a fucking bro to drink with, and I miss Monica Lucas since she was one of the few executive board members who was really chill/understood how thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



Oh right, before I forget, the INTERNATIONAL branch of the group is actually doing a really good job. Their International efforts have been pretty good in South America (one of their founders in Brazil got elected to State Parliament) and Africa. They're one of the active forces in organizing protests in Venezuela, etc. It's the Domestic US and European branches of SFL that are complete and utter garbage.

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Get fucked, Christcuck. You're one of the reasons we're in this position in the first place.


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>Christianity caused overpopulation and urbanization

I mean, thanks, I guess. I finally get to hear an argument against Christianity that is not stolen directly from Voltaire.



If the fact that something was said by someone else a long time ago invalidates an idea, I think you've created a serious problem for yourself.



>If the fact that something was said by someone else a long time ago invalidates an idea

You're right, it doesn't. The problem is that the same arguments are repeated since the time of Voltaire, yet few people give him credit for it, and most pretend that their particular argument is totally new and exciting. It really isn't.

The fundamental difference between Christianity and atheism in this regard is that Christianity is traditional, but atheism strives rather for the opposite. This mirrors how libertarianism compares to socialism. Socialists regularly declare all their theories from more than twenty years ago null and void. They excuse all shortcomings in these theories with the fact that socialism has moved on, yet they don't learn anything from the criticisms of said theories. They basically retcon everything that has ever been said against them in debates, every idea of theirs that was refuted or disproven. Libertarians are different, we still believe, after almost a hundred years, that von Mises has disproven socialism for good, and we still treat Rothbard as the prime authority on anarchocapitalism.

This is one of the primary reasons why libertarians and socialists do not get along and tend to talk past each other. Socialists happily make arguments that, to them, sound new and exciting, while libertarians will be annoyed that they are hearing arguments that have been disproven for a hundred years. The flipside is that libertarians would be in serious trouble if von Mises or Rothbard were refuted, while socialists can - and do - laugh off even the most devastating criticisms of Marx, Engels, or Bebel. To them, these guys are old and overhauled.

Christians are more like libertarians in this regard. If you refuted one of our primary apologists, we would be alarmed, not to mention if you refuted the Holy Scripture. Meanwhile, atheists laugh you off when you tell them that Epicur, Celsus, Diderot or Voltaire were wrong, because, after all, these guys were old, their ideas are old, and surely, science has moved on since their days. Meanwhile, Christians are frustrated that they don't hePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>appealing to traditionalism

Saying "we Christians are good, moral traditionalists", and "you atheists are just degenerates who chase after everything that looks cool and new" is exactly like hearing the arguments communists in socialist/ex-socialist shitholes make about how socialism is moral, tradtional, and it's part of your history and culture, and everyone who isn't a socialist is just some edgy young motherfucker who hates his own country and people.

The Bible, just like leftist movements and ideologies, is purposefully ambiguous to allow for many interpretations and many different sects with their own independent functions. So even though Christianity is also another version of utopian pseudo-socialism, it is like a hydra with many head, you get some churches placing a greater emphasis on spreading the religion at all costs, some putting an emphasis on harvesting wealth and cultivating the loyalty of what followers they have, and others on a having their own cool niches for you to conveniently choose from and say "everything else is not real Christianity".

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