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Ya'll need Mises.

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is pic related a good way to destroy competition in a free market?

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What does Rothbard propose?



Not the guy above you, first of all. Concerning such regulations as "drive on the right lane", Rothbard believed that such rules are either customary, or enforced by the owners of the roads, who will have an interested in enacting uniform rules. In a way, we have that in the computer business. Every programmer tries to make his program run on Windows, because that is the standard. Some also make it for Linux. Very few eschew these options, and write a program for some extreme fringe operation system. It is legal to do so, but few programmers do, most follow the standards, simply because the customers expect that. It would be the same with road owners.



God, I wish we had at least private roads.

>having a beer with my boomer dad

>discussing politics and current events

>say that roads should be privatized

>owners will have an incentive to mainain them to raise the property value

>"son, we already have that shit in countries like saudi arabia"


>"yeah, the prince would own some road and get people to pay for it, it fucking sucks"




is a private community a good idea?


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>the prince would own some road


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The Vast Vast majority of the Cuban population continues to support the Communist party and the massive leaps in development it has made on the Island (With Cuba far outranking pretty much all of its immediate neighbours in terms of its quality of life under most metrics)

I can't imagine that the "Cuban Mises Fellowship" or whatever it is has that much traction over there


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>the massive leaps in development it has made on the Island

Yeah, by forcing abortions on women who carry children that would drag down the statistics:


If that is development, then thanks, I want none of it.




>I can't imagine that the "Cuban Mises Fellowship" or whatever it is has that much traction over there

For a country that kills and imprisons dissidents, I doubt there would be many people overtly joining the group either.



The last pending death penalty's in Cuba were Commuted last year iirc


Ignoring the fact that he is refusing to even use his real name and credentials thus putting this articles reliablity into immediate question

Just teaching people that how to use condoms and that Abortion is an option if they get pregnant isn't "Forcing women to get abortions"


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>Ignoring the fact that he is refusing to even use his real name and credentials thus putting this articles reliablity into immediate question

From the article:

>(Dr. Jose Marti (a pseudonym is a physician practicing in Cuba. He has asked Population Research Institute to withhold his real name for fear of reprisals. — Editor.)

You know, as happened to Dr. Óscar Elías Biscet: https://stream.org/castro-regime-tortured-doctor-for-protesting-abortions-infanticide/

>Just teaching people that how to use condoms and that Abortion is an option if they get pregnant isn't "Forcing women to get abortions"

And yet, the article:

>Dr. Carlos Ciro Machado, a doctor who arrived from Cuba as an immigrant just a few months ago, related to TV Marti last July a case he himself witnessed. Dr. Machado said he saw a premature baby in a bucket and called the doctor in charge. He was told to let the baby die because it might die in spite of medical care and raise the infant mortality rate. Dr, Machado then called the head nurse and she said the same thing. Despite their opposition Dr. Machado gave the baby medical care, but the baby died anyway six hours later. Cuba is more interested in its international image than in caring for the health of its people, said Dr. Machado.

I am pretty sure throwing babies into trashcans qualifies as infanticide.

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How French “Intellectuals” Ruined the West: Pozzmodernism and Its Impact, Explained

Pozzmodernism presents a threat not only to liberal democracy but to modernity itself. That may sound like a bold or even hyperbolic claim, but the reality is that the cluster of ideas and values at the root of Pozzmodernism have broken the bounds of academia and gained great cultural power in western society. The irrational and identitarian “symptoms” of Pozzmodernism are easily recognizable and much criticized, but the ethos underlying them is not well understood. This is partly because Pozzmodernists rarely explain themselves clearly and partly because of the inherent contradictions and inconsistencies of a way of thought which denies a stable reality or reliable knowledge to exist. However, there are consistent ideas at the root of Pozzmodernism and understanding them is essential if we intend to counter them. They underlie the problems we see today in Social Justice Activism, undermine the credibility of the Left and threaten to return us to an irrational and tribal “pre-modern” culture.

Pozzmodernism, most simply, is an artistic and philosophical movement which began in France in the 1960s and produced bewildering art and even more bewildering “theory.” It drew on avant-garde and surrealist art and earlier philosophical ideas, particularly those of Nietzsche and Heidegger, for its anti-realism and rejection of the concept of the unified and coherent individual. It reacted against the liberal humanism of the modernist artistic and intellectual movements, which its proponents saw as naïvely universalizing a western, middle-class and male experience.

It rejected philosophy which valued ethics, reason and clarity with the same accusation. Structuralism, a movement which (often over-confidently) attempted to analyze human culture and psychology according to consistent structures of relationships, came under attack. Marxism, with its understanding of society through class and economic structures was regarded as equally rigid and simplistic. Above all, Pozzmodernists attacked science and its goal of attaining objective knowledge about a reality which exists independently of human perceptions which they saw as merely another form of construPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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was john nash wrong?


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yeah because game theory is gobbledigook








yeah but his science was right

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What sectors do you think the next recession will be in? How bad do you think it will be?

My predictions:

- The city of NYC, the city of Chicago, or the State of Illinois will declare bankruptcy.

- Money will flow out of the municipal and state bond markets, causing interest rates to rise in these markets.

- Loads of municipal and State bankruptcies.


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here's my prediction:

>trump can't get re-elected because he isn't fulfilling campaign promises

>Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden win 2020 (pic related)

>Bernie or Biden make it so banks are forced to give out high risk investment loans and have to give consumer loans

>amount of savings drastically decrease

>economy goes into a recession like 2008

this will all happen conveniently when China's economy begins to collapse because all they do is print money.



Funny you should mention NYC bankruptcy: >>>/n/752955



bankruptcy is a natural part of a market economy

bailouts aren't

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What did they mean by this?

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>The USSR's economy growing at a slightly slower rate then predicted is not much of a concern




Reminder that the USSR's highest reported GDP was in the year that it fell.


They are already outsourcing the industry on china to countries like Etiopia, they might be forced to stop encoraging exports with shrewd monetary politics.



Though the USSR's did slow and stagnate through the 80's thinking that was the sole cause of its collapse and not the massive sabotage that took place under Gorbachev (Dissolving of CMEA / WP / dismantaling DotP / Pulling out of Afghanistan / National-Question) is ridiculous

Yuri Andropov's reforms during his brief tenure as Soviet leader saw a decent decrease to the economic stagnation


See my above reply


A crisis occurring within a socialist state's economy does not mean it has "Failed" as a reform or other methods of fixing a problem is always possible

This would pretty much be like me saying capitalism can never bounce back from a crisis because the Market and the goverment can't recalibrate themselves to solve it



>Pulling out of Afghanistan was a massive sabotage which aided the collapse of the USSR

>Ending a costly foreign entanglement destabilized the state via economic damage

How could that possibly be true?

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City of Ahlen had a family that wouldn't pay their taxes. So they went to their house, took the dog, and sold him on eBay. I fucking shit you not. They sold their fucking dog on eBay over a tax debt.

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Exodus and Leviticus are old jew books, are they not? The big J man said that Christians are people of the new, spiritual, law, not the old, jewish, law.


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Matthew 5:17

>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.



Yes, yes, you think you're very amusing. What about Galatians 3:23-25?

>Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

What about Ephesians 2:15? What about Romans 10:4? I'm having a hard time finding the exact line where Jesus himself said Christians are men of the "new, spiritual law" because I can't recall the exact phrasing, but that the old Jew laws are irrelevant is undeniable by anyone being remotely honest. Even your own passage can easily be seen to mean "It's not that there are no laws, it's that this is the logical continuation of those laws." Go ahead and be a shitty Christian though, it makes it a lot easier to ignore everything you're saying since even the things you profess to believe are obviously things you don't actually believe.




>Using ceremonial law verses

>not knowing about the diference between the ceremonial law and the moral law

by that logic, you must also respect other hebrew customs like resting in the sabath and not eating pork.

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If someone is a psychopath and they believe in stealing, what makes your opinion better than theirs? Inb4 'I'll just shoot them'. No one cares. I want to know the answer to the question above.

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>To people like you

You're not in position to look down on something, authoritarian filth.


>And you cannot give me such an example. In fact, you refuse to give me one.

Not really, this was my first post directed at you. But ok, a person who doesn't play in your moralistic games will always be more logically consistent.

>I neatly laid down my premises

Nah, if anything, you simply mutilated what was already ugly second class scientific fields and turned them into a moral system.

>if you think having an expensive car and snorting cocaine is the pinnacle of happiness

Strawman, though i guess this is indeed better than the happiness of being watched by people with genetic resemblance of yourself when dying.

>They aren't. Have you ever looked into this topic?

They are, have you? Their relationships are meaningful as they lead them to the outcomes they desire. But try to redefine the meaning of meaningfulness once again, commie.

>LOL Aristotle was dumm dumm xDDD

And this comes from someone whose argument wasn't appeal to authority, by his words.

>Like, unironically read a book.

Here >>>/leftypol/ , there's an active club of readers for the likes of you.

You don't even have to go on full retard, I'm not even hating you, we've already had a nice talk a while ago, just lighten up on autism next time you post instead of acting like a rabid protestant anti-evolutionist.


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Forgot pic


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I guess i need to clarify. My intention was to poke at you cause since your return you've been acting like a complete leftist retard. I understand that long containment within christian circles does affect one's brain cells in the most harmful ways but that's not a reason to turn every reply into a blatant circlejerk while simultaneously autofellating your own sense of pride, purity, accomplishment and superiority. If you cannot, go back and read your previous posts, the ones before you left and chill the fuck out.



This kills the christcuck.




>active club of readers

They never even read what they suggest. For example, in Das Kapital, Marx both supports the Iron Law of Wages in one section and counters it in the next.

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>students for liberty

have you been at their events? how was it? what do you think about this organisation? inb4 cucked sjws


> students for liberty

what's this?


What's the difference between it and YAL? I've only had experience with the latter; the chapter at my uni was filled mostly with Gary Johnson types rather than Ron Paul types so I stopped participating.


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Yes. I worked with them for a few years as a Campus Coordinator. Their goal is to basically be a "big tent" organization. They almost ruined my life in a couple ways, but I won't get into that. Their organization has gone down the shitter due to not following through with members, internal politics during the election years, internal corruption, and the fact that their DC offices really don't fucking understand what life is like anywhere west of Kentucky or south of North Carolina. They partner up with Young Americans for Liberty where they get about 70% of their domestic members that show up for the International Students For Liberty Conference every year, which is one of the few redeemable parts of SFL still around (at least it was until they brought the fucking leftist Pussy Riot band to the conference in protest of a few of their ISFL members getting told to fuck off/eat shit in Eastern Europe). They were heavily allied with the Alliance For The Libertarian Left until the C4SS child molestation incidents (you can see this in any of their chapter websites where everyone's raising their fists), and they threw Texas under the bus effectively losing the entire fucking state from their sphere of influence because they didn't like the guy (girl?) who was in charge at the time. The Texans had a 700% increase in membership in the course of two years, but he (she? can't remember this was a few years ago) was busy doing shit in Texas/telling the DC offices to fuck off and let him do his shit, so they fired him and the Texas branch took 90% of their membership with them while telling SFL to eat shit. The women were pretty slutty and would usually sleep around with other Campus Coordinators at any event they happened to be a part of (which is a huge breech of trust/business ethics I might add), and the DC leadership had no qualms with handing 21+ drink tickets to minors at their gatherings to the point where the DEA was actually called on them during the ISFL conference one year. Alexander McCobin is totally bro-tier and he used to have an AnCap flag in his office (not sure if he does any more after getting married). Igor Sampaio is a fucking bro to drink with, and I miss Monica Lucas since she was one of the few executive board members who was really chill/understood how thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



Oh right, before I forget, the INTERNATIONAL branch of the group is actually doing a really good job. Their International efforts have been pretty good in South America (one of their founders in Brazil got elected to State Parliament) and Africa. They're one of the active forces in organizing protests in Venezuela, etc. It's the Domestic US and European branches of SFL that are complete and utter garbage.

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Redpill me on the mouse utopia.

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Get fucked, Christcuck. You're one of the reasons we're in this position in the first place.


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>Christianity caused overpopulation and urbanization

I mean, thanks, I guess. I finally get to hear an argument against Christianity that is not stolen directly from Voltaire.



If the fact that something was said by someone else a long time ago invalidates an idea, I think you've created a serious problem for yourself.



>If the fact that something was said by someone else a long time ago invalidates an idea

You're right, it doesn't. The problem is that the same arguments are repeated since the time of Voltaire, yet few people give him credit for it, and most pretend that their particular argument is totally new and exciting. It really isn't.

The fundamental difference between Christianity and atheism in this regard is that Christianity is traditional, but atheism strives rather for the opposite. This mirrors how libertarianism compares to socialism. Socialists regularly declare all their theories from more than twenty years ago null and void. They excuse all shortcomings in these theories with the fact that socialism has moved on, yet they don't learn anything from the criticisms of said theories. They basically retcon everything that has ever been said against them in debates, every idea of theirs that was refuted or disproven. Libertarians are different, we still believe, after almost a hundred years, that von Mises has disproven socialism for good, and we still treat Rothbard as the prime authority on anarchocapitalism.

This is one of the primary reasons why libertarians and socialists do not get along and tend to talk past each other. Socialists happily make arguments that, to them, sound new and exciting, while libertarians will be annoyed that they are hearing arguments that have been disproven for a hundred years. The flipside is that libertarians would be in serious trouble if von Mises or Rothbard were refuted, while socialists can - and do - laugh off even the most devastating criticisms of Marx, Engels, or Bebel. To them, these guys are old and overhauled.

Christians are more like libertarians in this regard. If you refuted one of our primary apologists, we would be alarmed, not to mention if you refuted the Holy Scripture. Meanwhile, atheists laugh you off when you tell them that Epicur, Celsus, Diderot or Voltaire were wrong, because, after all, these guys were old, their ideas are old, and surely, science has moved on since their days. Meanwhile, Christians are frustrated that they don't hePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>appealing to traditionalism

Saying "we Christians are good, moral traditionalists", and "you atheists are just degenerates who chase after everything that looks cool and new" is exactly like hearing the arguments communists in socialist/ex-socialist shitholes make about how socialism is moral, tradtional, and it's part of your history and culture, and everyone who isn't a socialist is just some edgy young motherfucker who hates his own country and people.

The Bible, just like leftist movements and ideologies, is purposefully ambiguous to allow for many interpretations and many different sects with their own independent functions. So even though Christianity is also another version of utopian pseudo-socialism, it is like a hydra with many head, you get some churches placing a greater emphasis on spreading the religion at all costs, some putting an emphasis on harvesting wealth and cultivating the loyalty of what followers they have, and others on a having their own cool niches for you to conveniently choose from and say "everything else is not real Christianity".

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>As early as next month, porn sites will be required to get proof of ID from UK residents before showing any X-rated clips.

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i got the news from /pol/. everyone one calling the UK based



I'm still not sure how they determine what a "porn site" is. Are UK ISPs expected to block any site featuring adult content, or does this only apply to large porn sites?



>porn is a nasty addiction

So is eating anything, driving a car, watching television, listening to radio, reading books, or skydiving. Would you approve a BLANKET BAN on any of these activities? Is it ok to shoot people who put food in their mouths, because some people are fat?

Not all people who watch porn are fucking addicted to it moron.



/pol/ really shit the bed



Never mentioned anything about a ban. Simply said it was a nasty addiction. Go visit >>>/nofap/, I would wager they would agree on that. Stop trying to be an edgy blowhard.

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>guns are legal

>self defence is legal

>everyone owns guns

<no one uses them


>guns are illegal

>self defence is illegal

>rascism is illegal

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The US should just crush brazil, kill every roach there and expand.






Why are you here? There is no more libertarian principle than the non aggression principle.



Dude, Brazil is shitting on libertarian principles. Nuke them before they grow enough to nuke you, because they will.



shut up neocon

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What are the things still debated within the Austrian school? What are the controversies and gaps in the theory people are trying to solve?

I remember there was an article on Mises.org about how Joseph Salerno and Rothbard failed to solve some difficulty in monetary theory or something.

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Literally no-one within the Austrian school (or any school of economics, for that matter) is having that debate.

Fractional reserve banking may be a risky practice, but opposition to it on moral grounds comes entirely from from polacks whinging about muh joos commiting usury and marxists who can't into economics.


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>Literally no-one within the Austrian school (or any school of economics, for that matter) is having that debate.

"The truth is that fractional-reserve banking amounts to violating the nature of the law of property rights."

~Thorsten Polleit


>Literally no-one within the Austrian school

"Banking is fraudulent whenever bankers sell uncovered or only partially covered money substitutes that they present as fully covered titles for money."


>Literally no-one


"This would leave the commercial banks still in a state of fractional reserve, and, in the past, I have advocated going straight to 100 percent, nonfraudulent banking by raising the gold price enough to constitute 100 percent of bank demand liabilities."



(in fact, Rothbard mentioned this many times)


"We stipulate, arguendo, that fractional-

reserve-demand deposit banking is per se fraudulent"

~Walter Block and William Barnett II


Are you seriously saying that Selgin is arguing with himself on this matter?



I'm kind of getting sick of "muh" being used as a way to dismiss arguments without actually dismissing them.

It makes me want to reply, "muh MUH argument."


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>Literally no-one within the Austrian school (or any school of economics, for that matter) is having that debate.

Wow, I guess the Mises Institute and Bob Murphy aren't parts of the Austrian school then.




I stand corrected. Many Austrian School economists do, in fact, oppose fractional reserve banking.

Still, I think the arguments against FRB are pretty terrible. FRB is fundmentally just a low risk, low return collective investment where any one investor can pull out at any time. Obviously there are risks involved but to claim it is intrinsically fraudulent is silly since the implications of keeping money in a FR bank account are understood by anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. If you think it's terrible and eveil, go ahead and keep your money in a gold-reserve bank.

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european here

can are there any borders between states in the usa? if no, does it mean that people travel with guns from states with very liberal gun laws to states with very strict gun laws?


mod delete this dupliate please



No this is the real thread the other one is a duplicate. Delete that one.



Fuck off Ancom nigger.

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european here

can are there any borders between states in the usa? if no, does it mean that people travel with guns from states with very liberal gun laws to states with very strict gun laws?

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There are borders but the free movement between them is constitutionally guaranteed.


They can but there's no need, as far as acquiring the gun the registration papers are almost identical everywhere



Not really. Most thugs who acquire guns for the purpose of crime do so illegally anyways, since they don't want anything to trace the sale back to them. Even if it's legal for them to own a gun, most thugs will buy one in a back alley with the serial number filed off.



There are "borders" in the sense of a "welcome to ____" sign. Having a border checkpoint is literally illegal on multiple levels, though.

And yes. God help you if you get caught with it, but you can physically just go to another state and grab a half-pound of weed and a gun that's illegal in your home state.




…you might be interested in this.



>trace the sale back to them


they can just take gun with them

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What's the most effective way to kill statism, bros?

Governments have been rapidly evolving, they have almost perfected the art of farming entire human societies and keeping the population docile and desensitized, while also putting up a show of simulated international politics that keeps the politically active part of the population distracted. It feels like if we don't do anything within the next 50-100 years, we will lose whatever power and freedom we have and then spend whatever time our mutted species has on this gay earth in a pseudo-socialist dark age run by an evil artificial intelligence created in the Judeo-Asian state's own image before completely destroying the environment and the planet and everything on it.

We don't even have a fucking plan, our movement whole movement consists of wise guys and redditors mentally jerking each-other off on niche forums and niche events, showing off how much smarter they are than everyone else, while not actually doing anything and only hoping that things will eventually get better. I hate it, but I hate us even more for being so powerless.

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