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Ya'll need Mises.

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What will prevent Soros from buying land, building shelters and bringing african refugees without the state?

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Or simply a night watchman state that puts border security and naturalization in its list of responsibilities.



How to deal with it though? Killing him violates NAP doesn't it?



only if you believe in natural rights



I'd gladly violate the NAP to kill people like him, and accept punishment for it if it's due. But (((they))) have already initiated agression against humanity itself, so it probably wouldn't even be a NAP violation.

Also the NAP is an ethical baseline, it's not the end goal



You yids aren’t that rich.

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im linking and reposting my thread on pol. figured it might be enjoyed here since they seem to be just magazine readers there.


the state of pol is terrible. i cant take it anymore so now im going to start threads and bring this gossip filled shithole back to intellectual standards.


united nations office for disarmament affairs

What is World Peace that the communists speak of? it is the absence of resistance to their control, that is how the intellectual communist/globalist defines Peace.



the fag city of tomorrow, watched, tracked, metered



commies talking about how great being controlled is, notice the yellow in relation to this subject. this project is tagged with yellow among the commies and globalists. probably in reference to the jew stars but idk

>The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.

>The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.

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This is to hard for my shitting session, will be back for more later.












(disarmament is a literal crime against humanity, and an unlawful action of genocide)





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Thanks i'm checking that guy out now, baby gangs is a good description 😂 I don't think they are using phones as group telepathy yet but soon 😣 though having an actual "self" defeats the influence


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Commies and pedos moved my thread down with bullshit 🤣🤣 8ch is a d&c operation now 🤡🤡

Read here


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White men should develop a culture of race mixing where women of particular races are selected due to the intelligence or culture of those races. White men allowed jews to take control of the media, and as a result the media has been used to misguide white women. Now there has been irreparable damage done to white women by the lies they have been fed by jews and so while some white women are worthy to be reproduced with by white men, many white women are no longer fit to reproduce with a white man. It is a sad situation but many white men must move on to new pastures.

It is our fault our women have become corrupted like this. But some of us must explore new pastures, we can't wait our whole lives for women who have been mentally destroyed to wake up.

I will submit some races who it is acceptable for a white man to reproduce with. East Asian women are acceptable. Iranian women are acceptable, and some arab women. Despite being called "poos" some Indian women are acceptable. To be honest Americans can equally be called poos, our homeless population of all colors shits everywhere in the big cities.

As for black women or mulatto women, I would say it is acceptable for someone like Meghan Markle to be brought into the fold, but a white man shouldn't really be joining in with the black community, too many problems there. In general black descended women should be avoided but maybe there are some exceptions to the rule there. But as a rule of thumb avoid race mixing with black people, although some can transcend the culture of the black community.

Hispanics are acceptable to race mix, Latina women are fine to race mix. Ultimately it all comes down to feeling out the situation and getting a sense to see if a particular woman can be a vessel through which your intelligence can survive in future generations. And for many white men this would be a white woman, but white women have become so corrupted that many white men should bleach non-white women with their white sperm, for the uninitiated, to bleach means to impregnate a non-white. #bleachright


If you're taking an entirely utilitarian idea of miscegenation, why would I sully my white genes with non-whites?

What's the objective, to breed out dark people from the Earth?

You're like a foil to the Jew NWO


Nah. It's obvious that people whose parents, grandparents or great-grandparents were from lower IQ races themselves suffer from it. Plus they're uglier. I'd love to secure our race by simply outbreeding the others, that's the only humane way to do it, but it really does just bring down those who do it. You'd need to have some kind of strict program to get it done without bringing people down. Also

>our homeless population of all colors shits everywhere in the big cities

That's not the same as a culture of "whatever, just shit in the street".


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If a national socialist country was "smaller government" than the US, would you move there?

Would you fight for it?

Alternatively, would it be worth compromising my libertarian sensibilities to allow my children to live among my race?

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Is Poland a welfare state?



>not real scotsman


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East Europe in general is more capitalist than the Western world.

If you define socialism as redistributing wealth, and grade it by what percentage of GDP is redistributed, you get this fine graph showing that communist china is redistributing less of its peoples wealth than the West.

Also explains why their populations are increasing. It takes roughly 1/5 of an income to raise a child in the same social class as yourself, and it takes 2/5 of income to remain in your own social stratum. When china taxes about 1/10 of income, it means its people can easily have up to three children, or have two children and enough funds left over to improve their social stratum. The West however taxes 1/5-1/2 of income, which either dooms you to poverty, or reduces the amount of children you can have to 1 or less.

This one graph explains everything.




breeders get 500zł every month for every kid


How does this compare to the free state project?

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Has there been any libertarian discussion on the future of automation, and what it has in store for labor, and the workplace? I remember economists talking about how the gig-economy was going to be the future of work as labor becomes more automated.


Most people worried about automation seem to be upset that useless jobs that produce nothing are going to be eliminated. Some fat single mother of three mulattoes getting fired because she is no longer needed to sit at a call center and read a script or push buttons when people make orders at a fast food restaurant is no problem at all. If these people really are incapable of integrating any sort of productive skill, they frankly do not deserve to live.

If we're talking about actual wealth-producing jobs I cannot see why anyone could see it as a bad thing. If a bread factory is somehow able to produce vast quantities of bread with only one technician monitoring the equipment, bread is obviously going to drop in price immensely. And what about the poor bread workers? See above. If they cannot produce anything they do not deserve anything. This isn't a bad thing. Humanity needs to be subject to evolution again. If automation ramps up the way we are expecting the intelligence of humanity will steadily increase as the skilless low-intelligence savages are removed from the population pool.


It's gonna be lit. It already is.

I have a job driving a monorail, and I literally just click the button (usually) and it does everything itself.




I was hoping for sources from libertarian institutions like Reason, or the Mises institute.



Well the main argument from Mises institute for free trade and automation is that when prices of products go down because automation or free trade consumers and capitalists (businessmen) will have more money to spend. With the more money to spend it creates jobs in other sectors. The consumer will spend money in more areas with the money they are saving thus creating new jobs.



>Also Chapter 7 of Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt

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1 - X has a problem

2 - Regulation is pushed to address X.

3 - Regulatory compliance increases overhead costs, or regulatory agency gets captured by current industry (because where else are you going to find people who understand the industry enough to be able to regulate it?).

4 - Firms centralize even more. Costs increase even more. Either the price increases, quality decreases, or shortages increase.

5 - Issue X is now even worse.

6 - Goto 1.

7 - Eventually become Venezuela.

How do you stop this vicious cycle?


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Determine whether #1 is caused by another regulation.

In a natural order everything balances itself out.



Really, if you want that series to be logical you need 6 to be "goto 0" and 0 to be "If centralization and cost is greater than or equal to [Arbitrary Venezuela Value] then you are Venezuela." With your current rules, you'll never be Venezuela and if you put the comparison at the end you'll only know if you're Venezuela once an entire cycle has completed but in reality you may start out being Venezuela.

t. Program Pro

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A terrible misunderstanding that I see happening again and again is that socialism is for lazy people and the free-market is for the hard working ones.

This is false and very bad for the pro-free-market propaganda.

Let's be honest: while you may be in love with slaving away most of your day, a lot of people aren't. These people have as much a say as you in how life should be lived.

The problem is that a lot of free-market propaganda usually goes against NEETs and people who don't want to work hard. How often we see free-market people ranting against those lazy leftists? Yet, if anything, a lazy person has much more chances to find a way to live his preferred lifestyle under a free-market than under socialism.

Let's see why.

Under socialism prices of basic goods are set by the State, so one has to work a fixed amount of hours in order to get them. When they aren't, their price is always higher than it would be under free-market because the allocation of resources is suboptimal and it's also affected by sales and other taxes needed for welfare and the central plan.

The welfare is never distributed across all people but just certain categories and in many different form. It almost never happens under socialism than a person who doesn't want to work is allowed to do so if he isn't part of an heavily protected category.

Under socialism one is eventually called to do "his part" and get a job. This means that, with slighty difference based on how socialism is realized, one is forced to get the job that the central planners offer him via the job centre or face the losing different form of welfare. There is also a very limited choice in which job to get, since under socialism one has to possess certifications and licenses before accessing certain kind of jobs. There are also always limits in the kind of contracts and work conditions and arrangements that can be made for the worker. This is decided by the central planners for "the good of the workers", but in practice it means that an employer must always offer an 8-hour-day job to someone and the employee is forced to accept due to the unfree-market conditions or oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Every pro-NEET communist I've shown this to has just waved their hands and claimed that tit wouldn't happen under "true communism".


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I've thought the same thing recently. Plus I'm pretty sure Ancap is the only path to the so-called "automated luxury space communism" which is top NEETdom (and in my opinion, top Humanity).

I'm not sure how necessary this thread is, since I'm not sure how many people here are concerned with those damned social parasites. If the system works like it's supposed to, you don't need to worry about people not wanting to work. You don't need to worry about them now, either. All you need to worry about are those psychopathic socialists who think that it's morally right to murder people and steal their shit because somehow you're going to build a perfect future on it.



it's an invite to remember to make libertarian propaganda among NEETs and any person who complain about how hard he's working


yeah, and how come that the more you get closer to true communism the more things go to shit, when instead the more you get closer to the free market the more things get better?


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No, it's not wrong to say socialism is for lazy people. Capitalism is indeed better for lazy people/NEETs because it gives them more opportunities to be lazy NEETs as I'm sure you've written below, however it doesn't provide the safety nets that socialism attempts to provide. To steal a term from the commies and twist it into a mockery of what it once was, being forced to be productive at gunpoint is more of a "late stage socialism" problem. When we say socialists are lazy, we aren't referring to the types of commies who believe in the "those who do not work don't eat" mantra since they have their own problems we can attack, we're referring to the hipster faggots who want you to pay for their liberal arts degree and let them be unproductive little shits making "art" or what have you instead of taking the plunge and putting their own assets on the line (in the form of lost productivity, lack of income, skipping meals, or what have you).



Consider no one (or at least very few people- certainly not enough to meet demand) wants to be the farmer or tradesman drastically reducing his lifespan and being sweaty/dirty all the time if he's going to make the same as the guy who sits back working on his paintings or taking ten measurements a day in a lab somewhere. Hence the at gunpoint part.

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I'm really concerned about the future /liberty/. My generation seem to be full on socialists, and I worry about them bankrupting the U.S. and completely destroying the economy or in the best case "only" having several decades of stagnation.

I was thinking this over, and on a personal level, I would like to at least maintain a similar standard of living to what I have now, and it would be nice to completely avoid the nihilistic thoughts that come with imagining the U.S. going socialist. To that end, I personally do not want to "grab SK, go inna woods." Prepping would mean I would have to hold off on my life for a decade, then hold on while economic strife and devastation takes hold in the worst case, or enduring a lost decade of stagnation before coming out and actually seeing any positive future opportunities, and I don't think I could psychologically handle that.

To that end, the best thing I can think of doing is going full on Doug Casey and trying to just be as international as possible, but I do not know the best way to orient myself and my skillset to doing that (I'm a programmer who got his job by applying in rather rural places where there is not a tech industry, that way I do not have a whole lot of competition and can make do with my meager skillset). Moreover, the places where I do have contacts to potentially find employment overseas, know some of the language, and have possibilities for citizenship (Argentina, Benelux (and using Schengen, French/Spanish speaking parts of the EU, assuming that they stay together)) do not have much prospects for the future either, I feel. But then again, they might not go full socialist like it seems like the U.S. is going to go politically.

What are my options here? I was thinking about going back into actuarial work, but trying to get certification in the EU. Maybe with age I'm not as shit a worker as I once was.

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Well, Russia can be said to be ethnically cleansed ukrainians at least

> China carries out genocide operations on foreigners.

What do you mean?



Have you forgotten Tibet? Or do you just consider it "Chinese" and therefore it's not a matter of foreign policy?



Well, yes, I actually did forget it



Oh. Well don't, it's very sad.

You might also take umbrage with their colonization of Africa, but from what I understand that's less "harass, murder and replace the natives" and more standard colonization stuff. Which, contrary to what some say isn't all about harassing, replacing and murdering people but more about building houses and farms and such.



Literally anything Chinese can do to negroes will be a net benefit to them simply because of their natural state of misery

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> the united states of america in 2019

What went wrong

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there is nothing in my post that contradicts austrian economics. You are retarded, unable to properly argue, unable of understanding what you read and of limited IQ.


Utilitarians are mentally ill.

>the hedonistic pleasure of a 70 IQ nigger is just as valuable as the eudaemonia of a 130 IQ entrepreneur



peter singer takes into account level of advancedness of an animal when assessing suffering so maybe other utilitarians take into account level of advancedness when assessing happiness… idk



>Since as of now you can't make everything truly free-market for now (the people will never let you), the US needs to follow the european countries in regulating this market.

The problem with UHC is the lack of a price mechanism which either results in shortages, denials of service, extended waiting times, or excessive costs. The best European models are those with minimal UHC and extensive healthcare market,

>Without net neutrality there is nothing stopping any ISP from censoring 8ch, mises.org or any site considered bad.

Even with net neutrality we had ISPs blocking Pirate Bay. All it is is a state power grab.


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Even if you take that into account:

>be utilitarian

>take homeless people of the street and harvest their organs

>film the organ-harvesting process for the utility of fetishists

>life of every homeless guy will potentially save the life of up to 6 people (kidneys+lungs+heart+liver), plus utility of cleaner streets and utility of fetishists

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Let's say we live in a world where fire extinguishers cost one penny (at our current exchange rate)

Would it be an immoral imposition on the part of the state to require fire extinguishers in rented housing at the threat of a fine?

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So is this like you trying to tell us something



Well he's broadcasting that he's a huge fag. Other than that I think he's just agreeing with everyone else that anything a State does is immoral.



It's called an analogy.


Lol just think of it

>You're paying taxes so a state can stay around to force you to put fire extinguishers in your home

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Dead board but whatever.

I worked on Rand Paul's and Gary Johnson's campaign. AMA.

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>The whole 2016 Election seemed like a squandered opportunity to end the two party system.

That's not something that just goes away, you know. The electoral college and the requirement to win a majority in each state incentivizes people to congregate in two parties, even if people are really unsatisfied with the current party that doesn't remove the two party system, it just replaces the old two parties with two new ones.



Sorry for the late response. I think Agoism is a great path forward. Operating outside the state in ways that you can and rendering it obsolete is probably the most viable way of getting to a stateless society, but as with anything you can't rely on one solution. It's why I still think that political options, like local government takeovers, are still needed as these entities still exist in the present (again, why Young Americans for Liberty are so important). Likewise, collaborating with as many libertarians that you can to bring about this is going to be much more effective than shunning any of them who dont adhere to your brand of libertarianism is going to yield greater results. Too often I see libertarians shunning others because of their one true scotsmanisms instead of embracing the 95% we have in common.

But fuck the leftists in the libertarian party, like Nick Sarawak. Literal chapo traphouse infiltrators. The cuck who stripped at the 2016 convention is a shill too. Theyre all shills.

Be vigilant.



Thanks for answering OP. Your wisdom means a lot.


A lot of what you described about the LP reminds me of what McAffee's VP said during his interview on the Tom Woods show.



so representative democracy in continental europe is better than representative democracy in the usa?



It's more "representative", insofar as there are more major parties. If you consider representative government to be good, then you probably consider it "better." Not many of us here particularly care for representative government, so we wouldn't say that.

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Italy is on the exact same road of Venezuela.

The spirit the current government has is the same of the Chavez/Maduro combo.

After all a few years ago, withVenezuela were already in full crisis, a delegation of the M5S, the party that is at the government now, went to visit Venezuela. They declared, and I'm not joking nor paraphrasing "there are some problems in Venezuela but the government made many good things, like the music curriculum in the schools".

Anyway the last proposal is so outrageous I had to open up a thread. Yeah, they did propose to regulate the dance instructors market, so that you need to pass an exam and get a license and into a "dance instructors board" in order to teach zumba class and shit like that (not kidding). But they now did something even worse.

They want to "centralize ecommerce". They think it's unfair that big business have an advantage and therefore all products sold online will need to have the same price. They will need to be registered on the blockchain someway and everything will need to be known about them.

I mean, I know it doesn't make sense both economically and technologically, but that's what they want to do.

Same price faggots.

Same price.

I fucking hate my life. Where the fuck do I move?

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in Italy right-wings are still socialists.

There are not free market parties. There used to be Berlusconi's party, but he cucked out in the 90s, after he got elected the fist time and they became yet another proto-socialist party.

At the moment there are two parties at the government.

M5S, which is a pro-Maduro, populist party. They don't go around saying that they're socialists, but they are. They're program is all about equality, nationalizations, redistributions, etc

Then there is the Lega, which is right-wing since it doesn't want black people. It also wanted the flat tax, but it doesn't come from a place of love for the free market. Better than nothing, but still, a flat tax is completely useless if the next day you propose to have all the ecommerce centralized with all the products with the same price.

Sad reality is that Italians are collectivists and since the few free market oriented influencers we had are dying, we're fucked hard.


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> They want to "centralize ecommerce". They think it's unfair that big business have an advantage and therefore all products sold online will need to have the same price.

I truly don't get what's the point, how it it helping small players.

Thanks for the post tho, now the pic makes sense.



I swear I'm not making a parody or a strawman.

They think that amazon and other big players get to have better prices because of some unfair practices. They can't imagine that there are many ways to organize a business and cut costs. To them, an ecommerce is a thing and it's always the same thing. At most you have different graphics.

I'm worried.

With most leftist policies, when they become reality, I can see that some crony is gonna get a lot of money from them, and therefore they always leave space for some semblance of freedom to remain, in order to not make everything collapse in just 5 days.

It's now that I cannot find who is gonna get those sweet State money that I'm really worrying.

The people in the M5S truly believe this shit. It's a young party born on the idea that corruption is the worst thing ever. And it didn't even have time to get "corrupted". The people who are in it are the original people, those who really believed the ideology. And what's the ideology?

They're just there for the people.

They think they're just applying everything that is "good for everybody", basically what you get in school and progressive media(a leftist education with zero insights about economics). If you read the program is all about free "essential" services and equality and muh jobs. If they see a social thing done by a "superior" country like Sweden, like free bikes or some shit, they're gonna argue in favor of it.

They don't define themselves as leftists because of their origin and ignorance. To them, they're not following an ideology but doing what's obviously the right thing. Isn't this scary?

They're not some fake or not-truly-convinced leftists who are there to work for the cronies. They really believe this stuff and they'll do everything to apply it.


Where indeed. Where does anyone go? We aren't numerous or powerful enough to influence politics, and there's no free land to go sit on and make a new nation (and even that would require a lot of wealth). It seems we are destined to languish eternal.



in poland rightwingers are in 90% of cases socialists

10% is korwin's party and libertarian party and braun's party

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Friendly reminder that the Libertarian Party, YAL, Reason, FEE, and SFL (among others) all publicly endorsed this faggot/had a private effort on social media in pushing him as a "champion of the free market" and a "coming of the age of liberty," for anyone who still believes the retards in the big L libertarian movement deserve a voice/can be trusted to have any opinion in politics. One of the larger fuckups ranking up there with the no compromise attitude that state's rights are inherently just as bad as the federal government because some states want to ban abortion.

ITT remembering mistakes so "we" can rub it in libertine "libertarian's" faces don't repeat them.

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>ancap LARPers

I was unaware people dressed up in their black and yellow memeball costumes and ran around in the woods, throwing McNukes at one another.




why dont you like marcon, op?



Not every youtuber is shit-tier.

Ideias Radicais, a Brazillian youtuber, is pretty excellent and has a growing audience.



Are any of his videos in english?




Propertatian institute

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Egalitarians cannot defend their positions at all. The only thing they can do is resort to social shaming and appeals to authority, which reveals a lot about how they themselves came to adopt that belief. Even more educated speakers consistently fall back on dishonest rhetorical tactics designed to prevent actual discourse. It's even more hilarious in the case of anarchists who will be enslaved by the very subhuman they love, perhaps this is what they want.

>dude fascism means opressium lmao


Maybe you could start by actually defending your position instead of just co-opting my post from /tv/ with your strawman tacked on.


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>dude egalitarianism sux

>posts low-effort anti-ancap memes


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why can't the left meme?

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I see the argument that AnCap would devolve into feudalism thrown around quite a lot. Is it true?

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what anime is this?



>AnCaps are mostly just edgy kids who are completely ignorant of both economics and history.

Got data on that? No? Then stuff it.

>A free market NEEDS a state in order to regulate and protect it.

Weird how property rights and markets predate the nation-state.

>This is why literally every real Liberal+capitalist thinker has always argued that the state serves a vital function, while discarding ancaps as delusional LARPers

Assertions asserted assertively.

>If you want a better idea of how feudalism was formed, and how ancap will simply lead to the exact same thing, read this.

Weird that feudalism collapsed with the wearing away of the law of Entail, which meant that landholders finally were allowed to sell their land. It's almost as though feudalism relied on economic restrictions preventing market forces from operating properly.



>Weird how property rights and markets predate the nation-state.

They dont.

You also completely misunderstood the fact that I was pointing out that without a state to protect yeomen from raiders, feudal systems of protection formed. And that this is simply the natural evolution of how a society will function if you simply erase the state. The whole point of the argument is that ancap will lead to feudalism, and Im saying it will while you nor anyone else has any counter argument



Way to dodge the point about land sales being legally restricted. Lords weren't allowed to sell their land. As soon as they could, they did, and the feudal landholdings broke up. Since a free market in land breaks up feudalism, the idea that it inevitably produces feudalism is ludicrous on its face.



>They dont.

What are polycentric law societies?

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