[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / animu / asmr / b2 / dempart / fa / fanfic / vg / vichan ]

/liberty/ - Liberty

Non-authoritarian Discussion of Politics, Society, News, and the Human Condition (Fun Allowed)

Catalog   Archive

Winner of the 83rd Attention-Hungry Games
/strek/ - Remove Hasperat

May 2019 - 8chan Transparency Report
Name
Email
Subject
Comment *
Verification *
File *
Password (Randomized for file and post deletion; you may also set your own.)
* = required field[▶ Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Flag
Embed
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Oekaki
Show oekaki applet
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options
dicesidesmodifier

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4, pdf
Max filesize is 16 MB.
Max image dimensions are 15000 x 15000.
You may upload 5 per post.


Ya'll need Mises.

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

 No.103133[Reply]

Will the U.S. ever declare its independence from Israel?

39 posts and 6 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103803

>>103622

/pol/ is variable, some are straight cappies


 No.103804

>>103710

You're right. classical liberals arent. Neolibs are just fiscally conservative social liberals


 No.103809

>>103803

I feel like most of the pro-market /pol/acks have moved away from the board and don't lurk or post there all that often. Purity spiraling has turned it into a NEETSoc circlejerk.

>>103804

>Neolibs are just fiscally conservative social liberals

Assuming you mean the old definition of neoliberal instead of the contemporary one (which may be defined as "blue neocon"), I wouldn't say that's really true. Neoliberals in the vein of Mises were more apathetic on social issues than they were socially left. They didn't virtue-signal for faggotry and didn't demand that people break freedom of association to accomadate it, they just didn't care enough to expend effort in opposing it. This attitude of apathy, however, created the environment that allowed the faggotphiliacs to gain influence.


 No.103811

>>103809

>Purity spiraling has turned it into a NEETSoc circlejerk.

Stupid question, but how could we possibly utilize this effect to turn something into an ancap circlejerk?


 No.103818

File: a37e166c20fe34c⋯.jpg (96.6 KB, 1280x970, 128:97, Hey anon, what's your poli….jpg)

>>103811

How exactly would one purify spiral in ancap? It's already based on first principles that are followed without exception, caveat, or contradiction. It's rather hard to purity spiral when you've already taken your premises to the most radical conclusion (as Rand said: "Extremist? I am merely consistent in my convictions"). The only way we can really purity spiral from here is to start unironically advocating for ancap ball-tier interpretations of the NAP.




File: a5efa1b4011fdd6⋯.jpg (41.49 KB, 589x400, 589:400, 2570713-9416505256-dont-.jpg)

 No.103584[Reply]

Google whistle blower shares the following

>Insider: Google "is bent on never letting somebody like Donald Trump come to power again."

>Google Exec Says Don't Break Us Up: "smaller companies don't have the resources" to "prevent next Trump situation"

>Google Head of Responsible Innovation Says Elizabeth Warren "misguided" on "breaking up Google"

>Insider Says PragerU And Dave Rubin Content Suppressed, Targeted As "Right-Wing"

>LEAKED Documents Highlight "Machine Learning Fairness" and Google’s Practices to Make Search Results "fair and equitable"

>Documents Appear to Show "Editorial" Policies That Determine How Google Publishes News

>Insider: Google Violates "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law" on Section 230

Video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/re9Xp6cdkro/

Btw, this video was deleted from their channel on youtube (owned by google) obviously

The full interview:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NMTqpbpJ94ap/

Ancaps will defend this

26 posts omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103705

>>103701

>A corporation is abusing its power in order to unfairly influence the US elections and is subverting and diluting Americans constitutional rights

And everyone here agrees that this is a bad thing. The problem is that people like you, I assume, is to give the government even more power, because you assume that the government exists to fight corporations or something. In the current year, large corporations and government are one in the same. Strengthening government is simply sharpening the teeth of the corporations that you hate so much.

>ranting about jews

No one's doing that.


 No.103706

>>103705

*think that the answer is to give the government even more power


 No.103756

>>103705

>And everyone here agrees that this is a bad thing

Literally every post in this thread that not me is trying to dodge this point completely and try to spin this around and pin the blame on the government wholly by concocting retarded conspiracy theories that make literally no sense.

People can use any position of power to abuse it for their own gain, be that through the state or private business. Google would outright ban you from the internet for wrong think if they had it their way, and you guys are still cucking out to them because they are a business.


 No.103763

>>103756

Point to one post in this thread, any post, that depicts Google in a positive light.


 No.103766

>>103756

>concocting retarded conspiracy theories

Such as?

>Google would outright ban you from the internet for wrong think if they had it their way, and you guys are still cucking out to them because they are a business.

Why won't this strawman end? No one is exonerating google for their obvious abuse of power but it is myopic to solely blame google when the state facilitates such abuse through the incentive system known as corporate welfare.




File: 95e320c842ea49e⋯.png (323.34 KB, 640x427, 640:427, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.102827[Reply]

So far in the #YouTubePurge;

Banned-

YouKipper

The Great Order

Varg

Demonetised-

Martin Sellner

James Allsup

Steven Crowder

Red Ice TV

SinatraSays

Videos deleted-

Angelo John Gage

Gavin McInnes

Milo

Red Ice TV

Black Pigeon Speaks

Drunken Peasants

Press For Truth

J.F Gariepy

And many more

-

Libertarians support 1984, as long as it is 1984 achieved through private methods, not public methods. They can't be taken seriously as they have no genuine interest in *positive freedom*, ie real freedom.

120 posts and 23 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103677

>>103625

I remember reading an article about Zuckerberg pushing for more regulation so yeah I can see that happening.


 No.103687

>>103628

>Elite, n.

>1.a. A group or class of persons considered to be superior to others because of their intelligence, social standing, or wealth


 No.103735

>>102827

>the sad state of free discourse

Given the power of these tech companies to censor and influence public speech, I think the libertarian policy is to have the government get involved in some way. The present situation is intolerable. Far too much power over discourse is concentrated in too few hands. A few cunts from San Fransisco shouldn't be able to silence many millions.


 No.103737

>>103735

>I think the libertarian policy is to have the government get involved in some way.

The government is already involved. These tech companies became powerful due to both direct and indirect government assistance. Ideally you'd remove the government from interfering entirely. In the event that isn't practical, I have no ethical qualms about using the state against another part of the state.


 No.103746

>>103735

I'd rather have the possibility of small, alternative media than regulatory capture ensuring that those same giant tech companies are the only platforms in town >>103623 .




YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

 No.103646[Reply]

I know it's from microdick Bananaman and friends, but this is honestly the greatest takedown of Lolbertarians I have ever seen.

My favorite is the libertarian redneck who asks how Congress got its power and he didn't.

 No.103648

I'm not watching e-celebs, give it to me in your own words.


 No.103650

What exactly were you expecting?


 No.103703

File: 3265a8ff7e8072e⋯.jpg (11.79 KB, 241x277, 241:277, 35f12cfe.jpg)

>1st Question = false equivalency

I realize this is bait, but how is this a takedown?

1. Schools could be unaware of such bullying, and addressing such complaints are seldom effective (onus of proof is on the accuser).

2. School bullies could operate their bullying activities outside the school's jurisdiction (e.g. bus stops).


 No.103742

File: 5b1c58c4a7d2b68⋯.webm (11.49 MB, 640x360, 16:9, richlaugh.webm)

>implying I'm watching that

I know it's from Reddit Letter Memia, but this is honestly the greatest reaction to shitty one video "takedown" threads I have ever seen. My favorite is the part where you didn't say anything with your meaningless OP.




File: a5d6cfbc059bba8⋯.png (31.51 KB, 676x548, 169:137, ancap argument.png)

File: 6376946b3541bff⋯.jpg (77.88 KB, 695x703, 695:703, ancap destroyed.jpg)

 No.97455[Reply]

Egalitarians cannot defend their positions at all. The only thing they can do is resort to social shaming and appeals to authority, which reveals a lot about how they themselves came to adopt that belief. Even more educated speakers consistently fall back on dishonest rhetorical tactics designed to prevent actual discourse. It's even more hilarious in the case of anarchists who will be enslaved by the very subhuman they love, perhaps this is what they want.

>dude fascism means opressium lmao

1 post omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.97464

File: 60526854c68bcb6⋯.png (150.13 KB, 250x381, 250:381, ClipboardImage.png)

>>97455

>dude egalitarianism sux

>posts low-effort anti-ancap memes


 No.97485

File: a8300def3601dc5⋯.png (119.53 KB, 320x489, 320:489, free market power.png)

why can't the left meme?


 No.103349

bump


 No.103354

>>97455

is the belief natural rights an egalitarian belief?


 No.103729

>>97485

They lack free minded individualists.




File: d7319c6435740a9⋯.png (296.31 KB, 1000x500, 2:1, cars_comic_strip_by_jrroma….png)

 No.103681[Reply]

Can /liberty/ give me the rundown on the car market crash and why it happened?



File: c082756279ea5be⋯.jpg (40.94 KB, 1080x490, 108:49, 1558114078682.jpg)

 No.103642[Reply]

The most relevant question.

Given libertarianism is true (defined: the state needs to be drastically rolled back or abolished), what should the average Western man do what's he's persuaded?

Here's the basic categories of options. There is overlap:

>Sequester yourself from the state, reject involvement in state government system on principle. Don't vote.

>Plan for overthrow in your lifetime.

>Engage in system politics, vote for libertarian policies to be incremented.

>Blackpill: give up.

I believe option 3 is the most practical and mature. Here is why:

Take the most urgent case of abortion. Babies are being murdered and there's no end in sight. In latest development, a (medically) retarded mother in the UK is being forced to have an abortion against her and her own caretaker mother's wishes, because the female judge decided she knows better than them.

Given that the state exists so a consensual system of preventing abortion is unenforceable, it is not a compromise for me as a libertarian to argue for state persecution of abortionists. By supporting anti-abortion legislation I am not agreeing that this is the way it ought to be.

Same for immigration and border control. My striving for no more non-white immigration and a higher border defense budget does not mean I consent to the existence of the state.

At the same time as I'm lobbying for these basic requirements of a society to be in place by the state, I'm advocating for less and less state intrusion everywhere else. I can also prepare my family for a financial collapse, and join a preparatory revolutionary outfit.

Please, help me refine my outlook.

 No.103644

>>103642

What should the average Western man do *when he's persuaded.


 No.103649

>>103642

I agree with you in some respects (politically active libertarians should use legislative and judicial means to achieve change in a relatively peaceful manner). On the subject of abortion, given a libertarian view of natural rights, it would be more consistent at least for the life of a baby to be afforded the same protection under the law as any other human being.

However, in terms of immigration/border defense, I think it would be unwise to try to correct the ill effects of government policy by adding more policy on top of it. We should strive to simplify and increase consistency rather than increase complexity, and this means we ought to attack the government policies which fuel the existence of an "immigration crisis" in the first place–the "immigration" part and the "crisis" part: Welfare programs creating malinvestment by giving immigrants false incentives to migrate to Western nations. Governments should not be subsidizing the flow of immigrants into a nation; if they come here, they ought to feed and clothe themselves with their own money and labor. Military intervention forcing many out of their home countries. The "War on Drugs" precluding the production and consumption of drugs by safe, legal means and ultimately leading to the rise of violent cartels. Minimum wage, "bottlenecker" licensure programs intended to minimize competition, and other restrictive regulations that place an artifically high price on local labor, causing many businesses to resort to either automation or illegal labor, or simply outsource.


 No.103680

I think doing activism in the legislature and judiciary helps but I think it acts like a stop gap. Agorism could complement it to build a long term free society while the legislature work buys breathing room for the agorists.




File: d9bb70b7b91883f⋯.jpg (13.73 KB, 413x259, 59:37, pope-cat-wailing-wall.jpg)

 No.89079[Reply]

>pope francesco

thoughts?

51 posts and 14 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.97086

>>97078

>How about you prove the claim wrong


 No.97089

>>97043

I would stick it in her pooper if she was down, yes.


 No.97363

>>97086

It's been a week, I'm still waiting.


 No.97375

>>97363

You'll be waiting forever, faggot, because your claim makes no fucking sense.


 No.103637

>>97078

pope jp2 was used to priests being accused of pedophilia because he lived in communist poland and communists did not like catholicism and wanted to degrade priests by such accusations

so jp2 probably thought that these accusations were false just like accusations in communist poland




File: a567b1823df915d⋯.jpg (19.8 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 1504448148611575949.jpg)

 No.96980[Reply]

french-national-socialist-homo-e-friend of mine told me that niggers there in france dont vote, and he does not believe that they are being imported for the left to win elections

what about burgerland? what percent of your niggers vote?

 No.97016

File: 3a441d7cfb7f463⋯.webm (2.27 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, coalburner.webm)


 No.97017

>>96980

Niggers don't understand the concept of "voting", and in the U.S., politicians have to cajole them to go to the polls like toddlers. A good chunk of niggers vote, but I doubt they understand the implications of casting one.

http://archive.is/9gt8t


 No.97022

>>96980

They have some of the worst turnout of any demographic (I think only spics are lower than they are), but you don't need very high turnout when you absolutely saturate a district or two with them. And as niggers drive down property values and encourage the productive members of society to move away, even if they're just a large plurality to start, the wonders of Section 8 housing means they become a majority before too long.


 No.103635

>>97022

what is section 8 housing?




File: 9cde2ab664ca921⋯.png (40.15 KB, 628x294, 314:147, guardian_work_less.png)

 No.103452[Reply]

http://archive.is/6akzC

Guys! If we just work less, there will be less pollution! Darn those greedy capitalists!

5 posts and 1 image reply omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103517

>>103505

The leftists try to take credit for it, but it was mostly a result of the industrial revolution and factory lines. We Are Capitalists made a short (2-4 minute) labor day video on it a few years ago but it seems to have been removed from youtube. Here's the accompanying article if I remember correctly. https://fee.org/articles/thank-capitalism-for-the-weekend/

I have some other sources but I won't even get home for about 12 hours between work and the gym. I'll try to remember to post them tonight. Polite sage because shit thread.


 No.103551

File: 23207359aca41b1⋯.mp4 (5.16 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, 40_hour_Work_week.mp4)

Here's that video I was talking about. It was on fagbook of all places, but it let me access the post without an account somehow. This was the accompanying text.

https://pastebin.com/czA7SPDn

I could have sworn FEE, Reason, and a number of other websites wrote articles on this topic, but I can't seem to find them. Then again I haven't been heavily invested in discussing this topic in detail since around 2015-2016. I know at least a company in New Zealand experimented with a 32 hour work week where they paid their employees the same but asked them to only come in four days a week instead of five, and the results were that they maintained the exact same level of productivity, but that there was a…

>24% increase in work-home balance reported by employees

>Higher productivity from the employees when they were in the office

>Attendance increased significantly (employees were punctual in showing up on time, didn't leave early, and took fewer breaks when they were in the office)

Sweden did a similar study where they reduced the work day from 8 hours to 6 hours, and found that the employees working 6 hour days were less likely to quit, take sick days, or otherwise provide poor performance. They also found it heavily reduced the number of emails sent or meetings requested since people were trying to maximize what they did during those six hours. Sahlgrenska University Hospital tried something similar, and while the initial costs to the hospital were pretty damn high (about $1.5 million USD per year), they managed to increase their operations by 20%, take on operations they'd normally send elsewhere, reduced sick leave to almost nothing, and decreased the waiting time on surgeries from months down to weeks. Basically the biggest downside they found to the 6 hour work week was that employees who weren't part of the program bitched up a storm and became more likely to quit when their counterparts got to work 2 hours less for the same pay.

Article related from 2017: https://archive.fo/jid9s

What needs to happen Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.103618

>>103551

Interesting, you mention wages would that decrease somewhat. I know you said that it should be more hours cut then wages but I just wonder how much of the wages would be cut.


 No.103629

>>103461

so what does the government *actually* do to stop this?

'taking your money' is not an excuse, because without government services you would be paying for your own schools, security, pension, and paying more for everything subsidised


 No.103633

>>103629

The answer is still "taking my money." The top three federal expenditures, which make up a supermajority of the budget, are two different kinds of welfare and defense spending a third kind of welfare. It's safe to say I receive zero benefit from any of these things. I don't use the vast majority of the other services the state provides, either. Those few I do use frequently involve me waiting in lines for far longer than I like, filling out far more forms than are necessary; that is to say these services are undersupplied, overpriced, and of inferior quality. This isn't even getting into the amount of overhead costs involved in collecting taxes, which are decidedly higher than what a business spends on ensuring receivables. Per the Economic Calculation Problem, among other things, it can be shown that these services will be allocated efficiently by the private market, rather than being under or over supplied. By the same token, private supply is of these goods would be lower in price and higher in quality. All of this translates to an immense amount of productive that simply does not exist thanks to the public sector. Because this productivity has gone down the drain, we must work more hours per week to compensate.

Further, regardless of the quality or efficiency of government services, the coercive nature of taxation means that the very act of taxing necessarily kills productivity, regardless of how the money is used. Taxation is alwats a redistribution of wealth, from the taxpayer to the tax receiver. Even if no welfare system is in place, wealth is still redistributed from the taxpayers to the government and government contractors. This redistribution increases the payoff of being a tax receiver, and decreases the playoff of being a productive tax player. If there is less incentive to be productive, people will stop being productive and become tax receivers. This increases the total cost of the tax receivers and decreases the revenue from tax payers, meaning that the tax rate must be increased to pay for the tax receivers. The tax increase causes a further decreased incentive to be productive, which causes fewer people to be productive, which necessitates a further tax increase…

Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

 No.103367[Reply]

How do you feel about the fact that we live in a cyberpunk dystopia?

7 posts and 3 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103497

>>103390

Ah so that's where that copypasta came from.


 No.103564

>>103496

Also the aesthetic is completely shit, nothing looks as cool as it does in cyberpunk.


 No.103572

>>103496

Did you see the Gameplay demonstration? To me, it looked like it was full of the coll cyberpunk stuff, like a guy whose entire face from the upper jaw up was replaced with cybernetics. Looked breddy spuky.


 No.103593

>>103390

>transsexual transhumanist

I kek'd


 No.103616

>>103572

I'm talking about real life being a disappointing version of a cyberpunk dystopia. The game on other hand does look really good.




File: e24a305bc865c86⋯.jpg (453.9 KB, 1800x1350, 4:3, Yangzi_River_-_by_Peter_Mo….jpg)

 No.103165[Reply]

is muslim banking better than our current system if it has no fractional reserve?

3 posts omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103195

>>103166

are jewish usurers part of european banking? because they were part of europe from the begining

just see "the merchant of venice"


 No.103518

File: e7453df88c41cd5⋯.jpg (400.83 KB, 2048x2048, 1:1, Smileebladee.jpg)

>>103165

i have no clue how the antikike kikes bank but ill go ahead and say two things; 1. i know it has led to quasi ancap ideals, so thats cool in some sense. and 2. our banking is absolute trash anyway so if you can make the case for our banking being worse than another then its almost certainly due to the central banks that have been installed by governments a long time ago. but id need a reason to give a fuck to look and see if they're doing anything close to right


 No.103522

>>103518

>i know it has led to quasi ancap ideals

Explain.


 No.103610

>>103195

Ok LaRouche


 No.103612

Shariah law forbids charging interest, speculation, options, futures, derivatives, etc. Much like concurrent canon law and our modern-day democracies, the financial regulations were really just political promises to rally the peasants to their side against private power.

It seems to me that the only reason it forbids fractional reserves is because all transactions must have "material finality". This boils down to picking your poison. Do you want fraudulent banking, or do you want dysfunctional banking?




File: 284feecaa1194f6⋯.jpg (140.78 KB, 891x597, 297:199, 1561296321726.jpg)

 No.103487[Reply]

I need the ten most important books on right libertarianism. I don't have time for the long ass redundant charts.

10 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103521

>>103520

To be fair, you don't really need to read a lot of books to be a libertarian. It's a simple enough ideology.


 No.103524

File: 858fa4cb20b7965⋯.png (1.13 MB, 1285x3475, 257:695, Why ancaps win arguments.png)

>>103521

Pretty much. Pic related explains all you really need to know about the basics.


 No.103525

>>103520

I can find all of them besides choice. Who is the author?


 No.103595

File: edcb02e010daa23⋯.jpg (791.32 KB, 2112x2336, 66:73, book list.jpg)


 No.103606

>>103494

are you ego dyke?




File: 5e9074d293091e0⋯.jpeg (5.26 KB, 254x199, 254:199, depression.jpeg)

 No.103319[Reply]

Welp, it's Wednesday, what inviolable freedom has the U.S. government taken away to make my life more of a nihilistic nightmare this week?

15 posts and 3 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103549

>>103546

I know that's what he's saying. I'm disagreeing with him and saying the people that would count as lynchpins arent public figures so you wouldnt know who to go after anyway.


 No.103559

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>103549

Alright "Wiseman," even if there was such a cabal, I bet you it would be structured in such a way such that even if every one of them died, their successors would pick up and nothing would happen.


 No.103599

>>103455

>all Americans are /fbi/

Die.


 No.103604

>>103469

so judging by the clock, 2800s will be when shit really starts to fly. sigh…


 No.103605

>>103464

>Ted K

no. people are becoming more wary of big tech these days.




File: 198823ae805aa85⋯.png (288.41 KB, 755x708, 755:708, 1560000691389.png)

 No.102888[Reply]

>Rand

Atheist Jew

>Rothbard

Atheist Jew

>Mises

Atheist Jew

>Bernstein

Atheist Jew

>Popper

Atheist Jew

>Friedman

Atheist Jew

>Ricardo

Atheist Jew

>Block

Atheist Jew

>David Friedman

Atheist Jew

>Kirzner

Son of a literal Rabbi

>Schiff

Jew

I feel like you guys are being duped and I don't even believe in the Jewish conspiracy. Something is definitely up here.

5 posts and 1 image reply omitted. Click reply to view.

 No.103266

>>102888 (checked)

Just avoid the Jewish figures and all their works, whats so hard about that? Theyre in every single important movement, its in the DNA of the parasite to infiltrate all nutritious bodies. But their only power is the fact that you pay attention to them, their only ability is to live rent free in your head.

Just ignore them and their food goys, the wolrd becomes much more understandable and rational if you do that.


 No.103270

>>102977

/thread


 No.103566

File: d8acd5fe1a29762⋯.jpg (11.23 KB, 222x250, 111:125, whos jewing who.jpg)


 No.103571

>>102888

>Étienne de la Boétie

Roman Catholic

>Alexis de Tocqueville

Roman Catholic

>Frédéric Bastiat

Roman Catholic

>Lord Acton

Roman Catholic

>Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

Roman Catholic

>Tom Woods

Roman Catholic

>Janusz Korwin Mikke

Roman Catholic

Liberalism (in the proper sense of the word) is a very wide movement, you will find all kinds of denominations and nations within it. That is no secret. You could probably play the same game with socialism, but unlike them, the Jews within our movement are easy to detect, making it easy to filter out those aspects of their philosophies that have a Jewish slant to them, like Blocks and (early) Rothbards socially permissive attitude.


 No.103603

>>103571

Most of those believed in divine kings or at least divine rulership, like monarchies. Most Jewish libertarians were stuck on the idea of "let's let corporations run the state"




Delete Post [ ]
[]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25]
| Catalog | Nerve Center | Cancer
[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / animu / asmr / b2 / dempart / fa / fanfic / vg / vichan ]