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Ya'll need Mises.

File: 3d04793d039c318⋯.jpg (58.66 KB, 932x519, 932:519, happy merchant ancap flag.jpg)

 No.98279[Reply]

"The Anglo is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him an individualist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is …"

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 No.100448

>>100118

The Nazis weren't even Socialist, it's just a name. They were just fascists. The fact that so many Nazis on 8chan even claim they push socialism is, again, a sign of how fucking retarded poltards are.


 No.100465

File: 339c87dde806557⋯.png (754.86 KB, 955x716, 955:716, fascist_means_faggot.png)

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>>100448

>fascists.

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https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian


 No.100469

>>100465

From your link:

>What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

Very good points, gold star for the memes as well lol.

The counterpoints are that Otto Strasser got kicked out at some point and the Nazi Party became "anti-socialist", but in reality that really just means it became more totalitarian.

I concede, sir :)

That being said, they're still fucking fascists as well in my book,they really take the "best of both worlds" of the left-right poltical spectrum it seems.


 No.100850

>>99983

<it also does not help the Zionist agenda at all

It doesn't harm it either, in way it could actually help because it would make the economy more prosper and stable.


 No.100857

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>100469

>The counterpoints are that Otto Strasser got kicked out at some point and the Nazi Party became "anti-socialist"

What about Hitler himself? he frequently praised Stalin for his central-planning efforts, and some crazy regulatory shit happened under his economy.




File: c89ca8e3987920e⋯.jpg (59.6 KB, 1192x671, 1192:671, jew-stereotype.jpg)

 No.87559[Reply]

alright lets get right into it

how does /liberty/ feel about jews

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 No.93229

>>88195

Don’t feed the Jews


 No.93239

>>87630

There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes. That doesn't mean they themselves aren't aware of it or do not conspire with each other. It's not a bunch of heebs in one room trying to figure out how to destroy the white race, but many jews are working exactly on that and more.


 No.100851

>>93239

<There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes

>but it is disorganised

It almost like Jews have both lefties and right wingers like anyone else, but it's easier to blame outsiders than admit your own people are shit as well.


 No.100855

File: 95bee4fe8d61dc9⋯.webm (7.95 MB, 534x300, 89:50, NEOCON SONG.webm)

>>100851

There are three times as many left wing Jews as there are right wing ones. And almost all of the right-wing ones are interventionist neocons, who are honorary left-wingers.


 No.100856

>>93239

Nice necro




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 No.99555[Reply]

can we have a book thread?

I'll get the obligatory charts out of the way

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 No.100340

File: dff7b4cb2a78523⋯.png (320.23 KB, 537x537, 1:1, kali 3.png)

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 No.100347

>>100337

Mises - Human Action.

>>100340

Ummmm… thanks?


 No.100841

Finished Edward Fesers Philosophy of Mind a while back, all in all a really good book, although not outstanding. I also read Peter Mansfields A History of the Middle East, which focused too much on political history for my taste, while it barely gave such events as the Armenian genocide any space at all, but it was nevertheless quite good. A decent primer if you want to understand this region of the world.


 No.100846

>>100347

the anime nigger


 No.100894

>>100846

Ah yes, sorry. That's Boku no Pico.




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 No.100798[Reply]

Why does socialism keep growing until it reaches a level of starvation and famine in some countries?

Also, it kind of feels like the Holodomor and Mao's famine is forgotten about.

 No.100807

Killing people and taking their stuff works until it doesn't.


 No.100808

>>100798

in poland we had communism but not starvation and famine


 No.100824

File: e5c60d5ee4610fe⋯.png (49.77 KB, 800x418, 400:209, Fire Horse Japan.png)

>>100798

Regarding China's speak in death rates in that one year(1966), was because it was the year of the Fire Horse. Both fire and horses are symbols of freedom and free spirits, so the combination gives you the most free spirited and rebellious person imaginable. The problem is that if a girl was born in that year, she would become rebellious, lazy, never listens to her parents or husband, doesn't cook or clean, spends all the money and nags a lot, basically the worst possible woman imaginable. So no to risk having a girl, many decided not to make babies that year, and does that did, it it turned out to a be a girl, threw them in the dumpster.

Even the Japanese are guilty of this, and it's more regarding superstition, rather than socialism.

http://www.chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Year_of_the_Fire_Horse


 No.100838

File: 71226a766fbcb9f⋯.pdf (5.51 MB, Matthew White - Atrocitolo….pdf)

>>100798

>Why does socialism keep growing until it reaches a level of starvation and famine in some countries?

It actually doesn't always do that. Sometimes, it hits a limit in its growth before it causes widespread famine. It always leaves whatever society it infects worse than it was before, like a flu, but also like the flu, it can be the equivalent of a really bad cold (as in Cuba), or it can outright kill you (as in China). Depends on your society, and the socialist ideology penetrating it. Cuba has a sizable Catholic population, and Catholic societies produce rather benign rulers. China, on the other hand, was always authoritarian and totalitarian, so when the communists took it over, they met little resistance in making the worst of it.

>Also, it kind of feels like the Holodomor and Mao's famine is forgotten about.

Yeah, they kinda are. Pdf related is a very good introduction to this topic.

>>100824

Very interesting, I did not know this before.




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 No.100249[Reply]

How do you define 'liberty'?

Is it a dichotomy or is it a continuum?

If the latter, what does it mean for someone to be freer or less free than someone else?

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 No.100788

>>100767

>public education is a mistake

That's where you're wrong. It's doing exactly what it was created to do.


 No.100817

>>100744

>individuals have right of ownership over … goods that they have created

That's communism.


 No.100818

>>100817

except they do not recognize private property rights, so they do not truly "own" anything


 No.100819

>>100817

No. The owners of factories have a valid right to the equipment and infrastructure of that factory, since their suppliers had valid right of ownership over the equipment and transferred it to the owners. The owners of factories are not obligated to let workers use this infrastructure for free. The employment contract that workers, of their own free will, agree to, grants right of ownership over the goods that the workers create (this right of ownership was freely transferred from the worker to the owner) in exchange for payment and use of factory infrastructure.


 No.100825

>>100819

>valid right

>free will

>right of ownership

Feel free to prove that any of these not only exist, but are inherently coherent concepts which can exist.




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 No.100800[Reply]

To what extent do you think that the massive uptick and increase in financial regulation before 2008 caused the financial crisis?

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 No.100803

In this case, I don't think it completely follows that just because one statement is false (deregulation caused the financial crisis) that the inverse statement (over-regulation caused the financial crisis) is true. Over-regulation–namely, limiting the ratings agency market to only two firms through regulation, the Community Reinvestment Act and similar affirmative action ploys, and the federally backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–may be what caused the collapse to happen within the financial and real estate sectors specifically. However, the root cause of the collapse is the same as it is for every other recession and depression: the Federal Reserve's systematic credit expansion. If you consider bailouts to be a form of regulation, then you can also say that regulations were responsible for the severity of the recession compared to other recessions, as it was the bailouts which allowed the collapse to spread beyond the financial sector into the rest of the economy.


 No.100804

File: f25fc8c5bc553d2⋯.jpeg (11.76 KB, 224x225, 224:225, leftypolPostingInLiberty.jpeg)

>>100803

You know what, I'm all for pre-emptively posting with a post that is completely flips around the /leftypol/posts we get on this board all the time even if it is a little wrong. It shows the /leftypol/posts that we know the fucking points they're going to make well in advance: to the point where we're able to make the completely opposite point they're going to make. At the very least, maybe we'll actually hear something original instead of a repost of "le socialist Sweden" thread or "Venezuela is actually capitalist" for the gazillionth time. More importantly, libertarianism actually goes on the goddam rhetorical offensive for once instead of constantly being flooded with defense on every god damn thread on the front page.

But anyways, I think you're spot on. It's the goddam FED.


 No.100805

>>100804

>You know what, I'm all for pre-emptively posting with a post that is completely flips around the /leftypol/posts we get on this board all the time even if it is a little wrong.

I appreciate the cheekiness as much as you do. It's just my autistic pedantry happens to override my appreciation.


 No.100806

Capitalism gets crises. That's all there is to it.


 No.100809

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 No.100759[Reply]

In the late 50s, Sweden used to be very socialistic. Their economy was stagnant, regulations were at a much higher level than today, and taxes and regulations looked like they were going to keep increasing. Intellectually, the scene looked even more dire. The socialist-lite Swedish economist Gunnar-Myrdal had recently won the Nobel prize in economics, and there seemed to be no intellectual light at the end of the tunnel for a more liberal economic theory to be plausible in Sweden.

But then, abruptly, things changed coursed. Sweden deregulated at a massive rate. The size and scope of the government decreased dramatically. Now Sweden is among the top ten in its economic freedom score.

What happened? How did libertarianism win in Sweden?

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 No.100785

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>100759

Swedens success is due to their liberalism, not "muh socialism" like berniebro retards claim. The time the country even tipped its toe into socialism, it was a huge shitshow failure


 No.100791

>>100762

>huge social safety net

wasn't the pension system partially privatized?


 No.100793

File: 476fcc0332de15a⋯.png (547.86 KB, 800x461, 800:461, comfy15.png)

>>100785

Uh, yeah, that's already implicit in OP's question. He's asking WHY Sweden became liberal.

>>100783

This is interesting, great post.


 No.100795

>>100793

the video is all about Swedens history of liberalism


 No.100797

>>100795

Sorry, I didn't even notice the video.




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 No.100709[Reply]

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 No.100773

>>100712

No, you just said whatever words necessary to make the bastards hand over those seeds you just bought. It's like clicking "I Agree" on the EULA for a video game - nobody reads the damn things, nobody cares about the damn things, they're unenforceable, and people just take the quickest route to make it go away and then they forget about it. Information is not scarce, and attempts to make information scarce have always ended in failure (and will continue to end in failure, because the idea is just that ludicrous). If I buy your seeds, they become my seeds, and then I can do what I want with them. That's how buying stuff works. Industries have had almost six hundred years since the invention of the printing press to adapt their way of thinking to a world where only material objects have scarcity, but they refuse to do so because they all want to go back to the time when it was possible to jealously hoard an idea and actually hope to succeed. They keep trying, they keep failing, and they keep looking ridiculous because of it.


 No.100775

>>100721

He's saying that's irrelevant because it's unenforceable. At that point it's too late to get your 10 McBitcoins. You may say "No, because they have goons" but at that point nothing matters because goons.


 No.100776

>>100775

so if i rent someone a bike and he agreed to give it back to me the next day then it is unenforceable so irrelevant and the bike is his?


 No.100781

>>100776

That is a breach of contract which results in theft, and is therefore enforceable. You would have a right to your bike back, and could bring this claim to court. What you can't do is say, "I sell you this bike, but if you paint it red I will take it back" in a contract and expect enforcement, because no theft has occurred.


 No.100782

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 No.100737[Reply]

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

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 No.100747

>>100745

Here's a better question:

If you were a committed anarcho-commie, and decided to mask yourself and begin committing acts of terror, which set of actions would you choose?

>Beat up white working-class conservatives

>Destroy private cars/houses (i.e. not the MOP)

>Terrorize media pundits

>Knock over trash cans

or

>Burn down warehouses and capital

>Blow up Walmarts

>Attack law-enforcers

>Assassinate CEOs and politicians


 No.100750

File: 4c1058453ed06d1⋯.png (66.73 KB, 752x1668, 188:417, left libertarianism doesn'….png)

>>100745

Because deep down, they're aware there's no such thing.


 No.100758

he tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice


 No.100763

File: d8123533068a31e⋯.webm (10.72 MB, 569x320, 569:320, ROSS - Take the Anus.webm)

>>100758

wow very cool


 No.100770

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice




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 No.100714[Reply]

I don't know much about libertarism, but I wanted to ask what happens to poor people. Do they get any help? Or do they just be poor forever?

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 No.100729

File: 088dbd190b77f6a⋯.jpg (40.68 KB, 500x500, 1:1, tumblr_mauvphEHb21rpdag4o1….jpg)

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice


 No.100731

File: dfe11fe7415e1c0⋯.gif (1.81 MB, 444x250, 222:125, what the fuck.gif)

>>100729

>if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist

>tumblr

lmao, reads like pottery.


 No.100732

Social welfare never existed in America at the level it does today. People literally strved to death not a lot but people did, we should go back to that tbh because we have a system now Breaks up families and incentivizes garbage people having children. Because the more garbage you are the more handouts you get the governments essentially a enabler to maintain the status quo.

We need a sink or swim system where people are forced to swim or sink. It seems strange but in the past it was the reason people had stronger family bonds in poor communities. Because they literally had to rely on their family or die. It’s not a nice way to live but its the best way. Just look at the Ways social welfare has destroyed black neighborhoods


 No.100734

Poor people survive on the benevolence of others, as it has been since before Christ, but in the libertarian ideal there is no forced charity.

Paradoxically, the absence of a welfare state would produce greater welfare for the lower class because the money would be more efficiently handled and people would be more generous, seeing a personal obligation.


 No.100736

>>100729

thanks for my new favorite pasta

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice




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 No.100283[Reply]

where does this quote come from

>Only 24% of people who reported sexual fantasies about children also reported sexual contact with children. (This number is not mentioned in the study, but can be easily calculated using the data in Table 1: (38+49)/358.)

?

i saved the quote but i should have saved whole webpage

the webpage was linked in /hebe/ or/and /phile/

im posting in in this board for i think this board is visited by /hebe/ and/or /phile/ anons

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 No.100488

>>100287

>comparing sex to murder

And you have the gall to call anyone else deranged.


 No.100494

>>100287

im a scientist

not a pedo


 No.100502

>>100494

>im a scientist who wants to rape kids


 No.100693

>>100502

>for science.jpg


 No.100706




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 No.100647[Reply]

I feel like he's going to end it

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 No.100665

>>100652

this

he's complaining the fed isnt fed enough but they capitulated now just like peter schiff predicted so say goodbye to dollar purchasing power


 No.100676

Wait. So the Fed finally raised interest rates?


 No.100683

>>100676

The Fed started raising rates awhile back, a baby step at a time.


 No.100692

>>100676

>>100683

and then they said they werent going to until after 2020 so they capitulated


 No.100705

File: ac6c1bb935c3da5⋯.jpg (17.68 KB, 255x255, 1:1, ancap_anti-commie_anti-naz….jpg)

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>>100692

>mfw austrian economics wins again




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 No.93061[Reply]

How old are ancaps? I want to know the their exact age, of all 20 of them.

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 No.100633

>>100537

>>100597

>>100599

>>100618

>>100605

Have you guys ever considered that no one is libertarian because it's idealistic and fringe. Even further, because it can so easily be BTFO in an argument


 No.100634

File: 3ef8bc869401c5a⋯.webm (2.34 MB, 1440x1080, 4:3, Laugh_anyways.webm)

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>>100633

>Even further, because it can so easily be BTFO in an argument

Argumenation, namely arguing from a position of internal consistency, is easily one of the greatest strengths of the libertarian position. The problem lies in the fact that libertarians tend to get more than a little long-winded when they argue, and Joe Normie can't be arsed to pay attention to the whole thing.


 No.100635

File: 9aba196b74a5413⋯.jpg (36.92 KB, 448x513, 448:513, Big bird.jpg)

>>93061

>all these posts actually giving their age.

Wew lads. Although I am flattered someone would try and datamine /liberty/ of all places.

>>100633

> because it can so easily be BTFO in an argument

This is bait. There are many like it, but this is the bait you choose to post.


 No.100678

>>100634

10/10 image anon. This will make a fine addition to my collection.


 No.100680

File: 031f93e90629419⋯.gif (4.29 MB, 599x250, 599:250, Grieve.gif)

>>100678

You make this post, but you didn't post this image along with it. I must say I'm disappointed.




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 No.100523[Reply]

As we all know, war causes rampant inflation. Should the government intervene and raise the wages of workers with rampant inflation during a war?

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 No.100583

>>100582

Rationing will ensure goods don't end up where they're needed the most. You will always have some people in need of the good who cannot get it because of rationing, because the state cannot reliably estimate where it is needed, and you will have people buying all of the good solely because it is rationed, perhaps to sell it to the first group of people. The latter is actually a very productive acticity, it alleviates the bad effect of a system of rationing.

Besides, how would rationing help deal with inflation and artificial wage raises? It won't.


 No.100585

>>100582

The only rationing that should happen in a market is price gouging.


 No.100610

>>100523

What is that fucking thing? It looks like it's about to burst.


 No.100627

>>100610

My phat dick being cleaned of smegma.


 No.100637

File: 0683db06598fea2⋯.gif (1.09 MB, 234x154, 117:77, that has to hurt.gif)

>>100523

>As we all know, war causes rampant inflation. Should the government intervene and raise the wages of workers with rampant inflation during a war?

Jesus Christ your post reads like a nightmare. No, if the problem are policies of inflation that the state pursues for the sake of funding, the solution is not to create price floors in the form of arbitrary wage growth, that'll just fuck up the market even further and make things far worse for the average person.

I mean you've already started with the scenario of a war, and then the government proceeds to distort the market and essentially cause an inevitable higher rise in price then there already would have been along with other distortions in the market.

>>100627

Lewd.




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 No.100260[Reply]

The Great American Experiment is a fascinating thing to read about in history. The more you read about the founding and early history of America the more it makes sense. In particular the rest of the world see's America as having a truly alien, fetishistic view of firearms. To the rest of the world they are tools or an abhorrent genie let out the bottle it can never be put back in while the view seems to be that Americans view guns in the same way other cultures view religious iconography. But the big deal seems to be a lack of understanding the 'why' of that.

Reading books like 'The Indifferent Stars Above' or Historians talking on the subject really impresses the horrible reality of the colonial times that i don't think the rest of the world understand. Take England for example. It has been inhabited since before the Ice Age. Castles and rudimentary civil engineering has criss crossed the land for over a thousand years. There were bandits and thieves but the land was small and developed to the point that there were sheriffs, town guards, lords and kings and so on for a long long time with things like the Roman invasion and the clans before that. The concept of the vast untamed endless forests of the land are such an ancient memory that England and France were still a joined landmass at that point.

Compare to America 300-400 years ago tops. A mind blowing, endless new frontier. Predators and sicknesses that you have no name for and behind it all? no police. no guards. Especially for the westward expansion settlers. It was an alien continent and the only safety between a man and his family was what else but his Gun. How many families during this period were saved because the family rifle or revolver got them through some form of attack? families that lived through that time, had descendants to pass on their trials and all recent enough for it to still have a special meaning. What was there for them when Natives circled the wagons? The law? no. The bible? no. It was the Gun. The Gun made America and was ingrained as the saviour of it since its comparatively recent inception as a nation.

Now you see the NRA on tv nowadays and they are visibly comparable to preachers, zealous congregations and just as militant and insular. The only major difference betwePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.100589

>>100512

Responsible gun owners are not ass hats.

Leaving a gun in reach of a child is a crime in some States.

Shall we have more laws?

Did you read the entirety of the existing laws?

Read the existing laws.


 No.100628

>>100587

I guess you don't really ""need"" to know why your screen-cap is inherently flawed not even past the first paragraph. And then will continue to elaborate a flawed understanding.


 No.100636

>>100588

woops i meant flash guards


 No.100648

>>100636

Most assault weapon bans define "assault weapon" as this:

A semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of

the weapon;

(iii) a thumbhole stock;

(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

(v) a bayonet mount;

(vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded

barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or

muzzle compensator;

(vii) a grenade launcher

"Assault weapons" are not assault rifles.

Assault rifles are automatic and require a license to own.


 No.100649

>>100572

Federal Law (Constitution) is above State Law.

McDonald vs Chicago

Caetano vs Massachusetts

DC vs Heller

US Constitution, Article 6, Clause 2




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