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Ya'll need Mises.

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is it possible to be a radical ancap and have a gf or a wife or a spouse?

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My fiance is 100% behind me, the NAP, and the 14 words


Fools errand



My theory is that in addition to her being more emotionally receptive, it is also YOU who feels a boost in confidence after sex, so you automatically frame everything you talk about in a way that makes it seem so obvious that it's impossible for it to be wrong. Like, if you normally argue about taxes, you might get all defensive and try to explain how they fuck up society, whereas after boost in confidence after sex, you just laugh and tell her to have fun being robbed. Your thoughts literally create her reality depending on how strongly you believe what you're saying.

>I've even joked to her that I'm spreading AnCap with hot dickings. Gets one of those "that was funny but I don't want to condone it by laughing" smile-glares, which is the best.

As fun as that it is, doing that is very counter-productive because women hate losing, and they hate it being rubbed in their face (not the d as in "dick", but the d as in "defeat"). It makes it harder for them next time to admit that you're right and that they're wrong.


is it easier to make leftist or rightist gf an ancap?



Leftist since they're more easily manipulated, but that's like saying boiling water approaches freezing temperature faster than cold water.



>Leftist since they're more easily manipulated

Yes, but you have to think about the source of the manipulation. Leftist women might be easier to mold, but you have a lot of competition from the media, her degenerate friends, her professors (if she's in university) and her presumably leftist family. And it doesn't necessarily follow that a right-wing woman is "strong willed," it could just be she learned to listen to her father instead of media, in which case your job is made significantly easier.

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I was a libertarian from the time I discovered rom paul in 2004. I was 14, and hated bush and hated republicans. Then when i around 25 an i started to think about the media and trump and seeing how badly they lied. I then realized this was because all the media companies are owned by seven companies. Including many of your “local news” Broadcast, they are all owned by a small group of people. Then I realize that i as a libertarian could not make a argument for regulating the media, or banks, or anything really. Thats when started down the path of republicanism. I know the party is garbage, but the founding ideas are better then libertarianism.

This thread is for libertarians who became republicans to discuss. or for libertarians to tell me why im wrong. Cuz ive been having a faith crisis of sorts.

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>Also you cannot compete with ANY loan as a individual.

What is crowd funding?



The wishing well unstable or unfounded solutions libertarians give as overly simplistic cure alls is annoying. You guys have a lot in common with communists in your ability to do mental gymnastics to justify a opinion, be it Diseconomies to crowd funding.

>Why crowd funding wouldn’t work.

No one person has gotten the capital form croud funding to be a legitimate threat to (insert top seven media company) ever. It has never happened. Also the social issues in crowd funding. If they’re funding it the companies success is souly depndent of keeping 10s of thousands of people appeased. Which will likely lead to very schizophrenic programming the in turn makes no one happy. Also this would require such a large investment that it requires many assumptions on your part. Regarding how people would act, and stick around for such a company. Also its flawed in that, if the people funding this don’t see a return on there investment the whole thing becomes unsustainable. Meaning that one person whould have a limit to HOW MUCH they could fund and support. So you’re essentially requiring that each funder become a part time media manager, or create a power structer to manage it to ensure a return. At which point were exactly where we started and instead of seven companies you have eight. An you likely will only ever have eight because the people funding it are not going to fund competition. AND THATS A IDEAL OUTCOME. What would likely happen is you would fund it. Not get it off the ground, due to lack of funding, and then cry.

Or you have something like a credit union where the people fund it indirectly threw a credit union. At which point you have all the same complications that you had with a bank, on top of now having to create a mida company that can make a return on the credit unions investment. Not to mention this would require the existence OF a credit union which also creates a entirely new host of problems introdued into your society assuming you don’t regulate them.


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>crowd funding doesn't wo-


You also over think everything. You don't need an army of journalists or camera crews. Look at Breitbart its alternative media that's relatively popular. You also just dismiss everything as autistic while not even wanting to read a book on the subject.


Why are cumskins such boot lickers? If they goverment tell them to hate their race they go ahead and do it. It's unbeliavable. Bear with me

>be white

>watch tv

>see (((white))) saying whites are bad

>now I hate whites

How the fuck they haven't self destructed yet? bloody hell the jews where right, slaves in human skin

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Motivated by money and power, Deep State actors grasped control of this country long ago, and since the election of Donald Trump, they've been grabbing and grasping for any last shred of power that they once held over us. Understanding how these actors received their power is critical in understanding why they abused it. Through America Hijacked, we'll take a critical look into the policies and practices of nearly every administration up until modern day to see just how the Deep State came to be, and how they hijacked America for their own personal benefit.


Posting an ad is the easiest way to get me to not read your book.



But 17 others purchased the book from this link in the past two hours . . . . so maybe you are just afraid of the truth.

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I was reading through Patrick Little's (a NeetSoc who ran for Senate last year in California and got 1% of the vote) platform and I saw this

>Nationalize Google, Facebook, Twitter, and all other natural monopolies in the IT industry.

>natural monopolies such as Google, Facebook


Also this guy wants to give reparations to blacks LOL


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You should probably make sure your post doesn't contain any spelling errors before implying anyone else is childish. Otherwise people will discount your point.


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Shit dude, I guess you were right about everything, my bad.



>gave you the proceeds

How many modern Jews do you know of that are still raking in profits from the Atlantic slave trade? You've got some sort of weird point going on here.



Im am. Ayn Rand wasnt an ancap and thought they were retards (they are)

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Is the TSA just going to be around forever now? Is there any agorist way around this agency? In two decades from now, will I still see nude scanners in an airport?

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It's sad. My dad works in the airline industry and he told me when I was younger how security was different before 9/11. Hell I can barely remember some of the security before 9/11 despite being born before it.



It really is sad, I remember pre-TSA travel, and it really was simple. The lives of the next generation will be worse than mine.



> Is there any agorist way around this agency?

I mean, I'm moderately familiar with stealth technology if you want to create a series of illegalist airports with unliscenced pilots, but that opens up a whole lot of other stresses and issues.



That just wouldn't be profitable, I'd reckon. Too high profile to be unnoticed and most of your customers would be high risk (middle to low tier criminals) because normalfags wouldn't want to use it.



It's actually fairly inexpensive compared to the plane itself, and a bush-pilot shadow airport system is pretty much "any meadow that's remote enough."

The big issue comes when you start flying stealth aircraft across borders, which I'm pretty sure ends up a series of pound-me-in-the-ass felonies which makes the average renditioned terrorist look like a pot charge in a decrim state. Also, collision detection without radar presence kind of sucks.

I assume that about all this could ever be worthwhile for is huge-shipment drug cargo. A few subs, some stealth aircraft…. otherwise, you're probably better off doing the "liscensed bush pilot in the meadow" thing and keeping it, well, gray. Because when a few hundred aircraft that don't show up on radar DO get detected crossing a border, we can assume the response is likely going to be, erm, "inappropriately excessive."

Government elitism does not like civilian tech.

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Do you want to talk with other ancaps and bully minarchists someplace other than online, without roving /leftypol/ shitposters to disrupt everything? Would you like to do it with people who dress neatly and can string a sentence together? Of course you do! So why not get a collection of /liberty/ posters together to go to Mises University this summer? I went last year and I can say with certainty I had an excellent time, not just with the lectures but the chance to talk with people about various subjects relating to Austrian economics, natural law, and liberty. If you're a uni student, undergrad or graduate, you're basically guaranteed a scholarship, so if you get yourself there you won't have to pay for anything. Anyone up for it?

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>The "Dear Leader" concept only really exists in DPR-Korea

Pic unrelated.



>El presidente / genrilisimo

Those aren't socialist titles


>Americans don't have pictures / statues for Washington in D.C

>The French don't have a statue of napoleon

>germans don't have a huge statue to bismark


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At first I was like:

>communist countries don't have cults of personalities!

But then I was like:

>i-it's ok if we have them, other countries have them too!



>Those aren't socialist titles

They are just not exclusively to socialism



Don't move the goalposts you Marxist filth, you said you had no cult of personalty, now you're saying it's okay to have one because other people do. There's also a gulf of difference between a flag or statue, and interring the corpse of Dear Leader in a gas-purged glass box for the nation's viewing pleasure. Even the other cults of personality haven't gone that far.

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is he an atheist?

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Religion gets material results like an education gets material results.


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religion can make people be "posessed"



> is he an atheist?

He's mentioned in the past that both he and Rothbard were agnostics (which helped them get along very quickly). That's not to say he has no appreciation for the results of religion within society but ultimately it's clear that he himself doesn't really believe in religion.


he's making random appearances in my dreams, bros. nothing specific, i just see him walking past by me, or sitting at a table of a cafe, standing on a corner, it's kind of weird.

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Why do you call it ancap when anarchy is capitalistic by nature? Is it because the word anarchy has been sorely tainted by kike rule?

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Reminder that your socialist memes are weak. Learn proper English.


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"Primitive Communism" as Marx described didn't literally mean "This is what communism looked like / will look like" he simply used some societies (Pre-Colombian exchange Meso/north America mainly) of a MORE communal system that existed prior to feudalism and then capitalism


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All communism is primitive lol, wtf are you talking about, son?



Secretly a good poster.


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Can Americans copy anything from how the yellow jackets organized to reclaim some freedom for themselves?

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>to dismantle the government, you need to get into government

>good people don't want to get into the government because they are good and government is evil


Yellow Jackets organize in the hive and are funded by Soros.


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What about the 'porch method?' You stand out on your porch at 6 p.m. with your gun, and if you see your neighbor out with his, you come and join him. You keep repeating this until one day, if there's enough people, you go to the city hall…



I didn't say "government power" I said power. Neither did I comment about goodness or badness. I was just saying people don't like to dismantle the apparatus which empowers them.



but they are agaisnt EU

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How do you prevent others from copying your business ideas in the free market? I'm not implying that the gubmint should step in and start fucking shit up for everyone, but I'm working on some imageboards right now, and I want to know how you could implement cool features in a way that only YOU have that niche and no one else (eg: a more popular imageboard) tries to copy it.

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1) Trade Secrets

2) Cartels/Group pressures applied to new actors

3) The same as #2 except with the public instead of trade organizations


Life is an endless battle against entropy. You can't secure shit, that's how the universe works and that's how you accelerate progress.


My advice:

1. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

2. Always innovate and never become complacent.

3. Keep a stiff upper lip.


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You employ a private security company to commit corporate sabotage on the rival who is copying your ideas, obviously.



Good idea. First we make imageboards, then we raid 8chan.

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How is Libertarianism or even individualism compatible with the real world? It's pretty obvious humans do not have free will. You don't choose how you were raised, whether you were abused, your gender, race, sexuality, your parents the diet you were raised on, intelligence. There have also been studies that show people thought they were in control of a mouse when moving it even though they weren't. Another study showed that activity of just 256 neurons was sufficient enough to predict someone's with 80% accuracy someone's decision to move 700 milliseconds before they became aware of it. This shows that your brain makes decisions even before you do. When you become conscious of these decisions you think you are making them even though your brain already made them. So since no one has free will how can you just think individualism will fix everything. Everyone who is at the top had good parents, weren't abused, didn't have mental illness. Then other people who also didn't choose anything will have to suffer because they were just unlucky. This is also shows that the NAP is not moral either because you cannot kill someone for something they have done that was already determined. It is moral to put them in prison because it benefits the greater good by letting them no longer be a threat to the safety of others. It would also be moral to give treatment to someone for their condition. Killing them like the NAP says is not moral.

>inb4 fatalist strawman

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This. From a utilitarian standpoint determinism is completely useless without an omniscient perspective, which nobody has.


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OP, you're partly right, but you're referring to those studies while excluding the relationship between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. 90% of our thinking is done on autopilot by the subconscious and even our actions become delegates to it, while the conscious mind exists to observe our thoughts, to learn, or to program our subconscious minds on how to act and think.

This is why cognitive behavioural therapy is so powerful. Basically if you spent your life telling yourself something (eg: I will always be poor), the effects of confirmation bias will kick in and you will believe it even if it's not particularly true, unless you start telling yourself something else and start another feedback loop to reprogram your mind.




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As you know the biggest obastacle between us and a free society is the parasitic middle-class. Those bureaucrats, cops, etc are a big problem because not only they cost us a lot of money, but they do a lot of shit that hinders business and entrepeneurship.

At the same time, you can't just fire them all at once because it's not politically feasable.

So, here's my plan to solve the problem with these parasites. Now, this plan has been devised for a nation where the State has a lot of power all over the territory, I understand that with the self-imposed limits on the federal government in the US such a plan would be much more difficult to achieve.

Basically you have to distract the parasites by feeding them more privileges while paving the way for a physical removal, so that they don't know what's happening.

>you make a law that gives them longer vacations, but at the same time you close big offices and spread them all around the city. This way, they are forced to hop from location to the other in order to get the job done. This means that they can do less damages and are also more stressed and also are forced to spend more money.

>then you make a law to give them a one time yearly bonus, like 1000$ or something, but at the same time you increases the repetitive and useless tasks. The objective is to make the tasks take a toll on their mind and, of course, on their back and hands.

>a third law is the creation of new roles, which would be considered a promotion. But in order to get the role, they need to move to a new office that is far from where they are now. Also you make them travel a lot for "meetings"

>then you lower the number of hours they need to work each day, while mantaining the same pay, but you increase the competences of various institution, so you can merge them. So, slowly you have the IRS joining the police and the police joining the military

>the final step is having the ability to send them to work in Africa or Middle-East. Since they are into the "national construction agency", of course they need to supervise the building of homes for the poor in Africa. Since they are into the "security agency", of couser they nPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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The law needs to be stream lines, and the legal dictionary needs to be written in common English.

The way things are now, 90% of Americans can't even understand the language that their legislation is written in.

No wonder we have parasitic, swampy, recidivism of corrupt politicians in the deep state.

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>people who get a degree in economics don't know Mises, Rothbard, Hayek or the austrian school even exist

Ok, explain this. I mean, either austrian economics is so wrong that can't even be considered economics, or States schools are so scared they don't even name it, like it was the bald wizard from Harry Potter or something.


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I think it's more simply a "Cui Bono?" thing.

Most professors are academics.

Most academics get their funding from the State.

Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek attack the State.

The State doesn't fund research and academics that would attack its own interest.

Academics in turn do not usually mention Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.

In turn, most professors and classes do not mention Mises, Rothbard, and Hayek.


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I know a few Mises/Hayek professors, but they could never mass exploit their position and are limited to simple Uni professors.

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4chan and 8chan both have a monopoly on image boards. they didn't lobby any government it's just the way it is. anybody can set up a clone using open source software but it would never be as successful because a user base would not migrate. so why wouldn't this happen with a bunch of other platforms too in a free market?

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Abolishing the age of consent has nothing to do with abolishing the concept of consent and more to do with raising the importance of the logical definition of consent, as opposed to the legal definition.



>both have a monopoly on image boards.






Notice only two of those squares are technically possible, and only one square is relatively feasible



I am definitely a left-libertarian. Three out of four.



I'm actually kind of pissed off that my left-anarchist background puts me at "authoritarian bolshevik" on that chart.

Nazbol tankies and aynclaps wait for Big Daddy to do it for them… but the leftists have the hackers. FUCK the laws of physics!

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>Socialism was never established by the PSUV in Venezuela

But it was. You've already proven yourself a retard by bringing up memes that the video directly dispells and now you are lying to yourself. You are such a bullshitter that you dont even realize it.

Leftypol posters should really just stick to tranny issues since thats what their whole movement is all about anyway. Whenever you try to discuss foreign policy or economics or history its just embarrassing



>Migration occurs between states regularly regardless of economic system and the vast majority of the population still does support the goverment

Oh yeah man, the Venezuelans who decided to run away just did so naturally for no reason whatsoever, same with the Cubans who attached car engines to their boats just to come here. Dumb fuck.

I sure do wonder why there weren't a lot of West Germans running away to the East and why there was a lot of the opposite… Hmmmm really makes you think.

Here's a lesson from history for you: If there's a massive sudden migration of a mass of people from a certain culture, country, or landmass to another one then there's usually a very specific reason as to why, The Irish didn't just suddenly up and decide to come to the US for no fucking reason, they came because they were starving back home. Same with the Germans who came the US on mass, there was a fucking civil war they were running from.

>Does this mean Guatemala is some sort of Failure of capitalism?

I'm almost convinced that you don't even know what Capitalism is. So massive tax increases, inflation, a government that taxes massively but does nothing to protect property or even tackle crimes are also problems of Capitalism now? Do you not even have a rudimentary understanding of what the fuck you're talking about?

>And I will agree just throwing out the 70% thing was reductionist

No, it's not reductionist. It's blatantly false and retarded, what part of that did you not understand you fucking moron? Spreading outdated statistics from ten years ago is not "reductionist", it's just being wrong.

>it's more important to point out that unlike some socialist states that hold a market sector (China / Cuba / Vietnam etc) the Market in Venezuela actually see's independenxe from the state

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Cuban migration to the US has pretty much stopped since Cuba's standard of living met a parity with the US some years ago

Some Cuban-Born US citizens in Florida now travel to Cuba for medical care etc

And yes obviously because of Venezuelas issues people will migrate abroad but this is not different then any other third world state


>High taxes aren't capitalist

>Hyper-inflation can't occur under capitalism

>High crime rates can't occur under capitalism

It maintains a capitalist economy and has been under a right-wing capitalist goverment for decades at the behest of the US

So yes it is capitalist

<"Not real capitalism!"


>Yeah, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Venezuela, the economy that's seen massive expropriations of virtually everything from food to oil and even landmass sees independence from the state

>but China, which has actually made SOME tangible (albeit questionable) progress since the 1980s towards a more market oriented economy sees no independence from the state?

The Chinese communist party has always ensured that capitalist class existing within china is firmly under the boot of the dictatorship of the Proletariate unlike Venezuela which still allows its capitalist class to act independently (Thus why we see them being so uncooperatice with the Venezuelan goverment)

Also do you have any evidence for your claim that "All food oil and Land" is being expropriated by the state?


He's a 100+kg military dictator in a country where the average weight is 71kg.

Venezuela is Korea tier, which is what every communist/socialist/communalist society turns into.


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>Cuban migration to the US has pretty much stopped since Cuba's standard of living met a parity with the US some years ago

Things that never happened for 500$ Alex! Seriously, what fucking fantasy are you living in, you delusional retard? There's nothing that supports that notion, nothing even close. And even where they supposedly do have something comparable (ie: it was a meme for a while that they had really good healthcare) one look under the hood proves otherwise.

>And yes obviously because of Venezuelas issues people will migrate abroad but this is not different then any other third world state

Amazing! It's almost like Socialism and government interference turned one of the richest Latin American countries into one of the poorest in the fucking world! I wonder if it's the same with most of these third world countries… What do you know! it is.

> High taxes aren't capitalist

They're not, you fucking idiot. High taxes (let alone any taxes at all) are an interference with the market and guess what that means? It's a problem of interference with capitalism by the state, not a problem OF capitalism. Wow! it's almost like (as per everything else you say) you don't actually have a fucking clue about what you're talking about! Gee golly whiz! Kill yourself. Better yet, go ahead and tell me next about how expropriation is also a problem of capitalism. Dumb fuck.

>Hyper-inflation can't occur under capitalistm

Gee, if there was a market for money, it's almost like people could opt to choose another currency, oh wait there isn't one in Guatemala. Damn, t's almost like they have a central bank… What a shame.

>It maintains a capitalist economy and has been under a right-wing capitalist goverment for decades at the behest of the US

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