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Ya'll need Mises.

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I want to become skilled with weapons and physically fit. I want to travel all the way to New Zealand to kill this scumbag who killed the innocent. He doesn't even deserve a trial. He is no "red-pilled lad," he is a statist; he is a collectivist. A self-admitted fascist and, which he admitted himself, identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

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> identifies most politically with the People's Republic of China.

Well China is the mercantilist power set to dominate the world thanks the the ruling Jewish Elite in the US building them up and destroying the US for decades nya~


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Think about it from a libertarian perspective. If someone is trespassing on your land you can shoot them legally right? The only question in the NZ case is WHO OWNS THE LAND… and the only realy answer is the one who has the monopoly of 'legitimate' (as supported by the media) force. History can play a factor but is only ever justification. The fact that (((central banking derived finance))) controls the media means they control the land… unless there is resistance. THe only difference between a 'terrorist' (ISIS) and a king (SAUDI ARABIA) is their power relative to each other nya~




take your pills schizo




>It fucking was and still is

Restating the original goal is not goal shifting no matter how many times you complain.

>By being violated.

Passive statements do not answer the question. Was specific action(s) of violation?

>Something that doesn't exist in communism

No, as we see in the CNT, where they recognized personal property rights.

>No, it's not.

> NAP cannot claim anything.

>And NAP isn't about ethics.

Proof? I cited my source and you failed to provide a rebuttal.

>Who said anything about books,

It is a metaphor, moron. Your generic suggestion is analogous to that leftypol meme.

>So you are actually incapable of reading sentences

Your words <not mine:

<I would not, if they did not claim that it's in their domain.


There's no such thing as "moral law"




So you are against freedom of speech?

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Okay, be honest, which one of you statist faggots infesting our board has actually read this book?




A better question would be how many of us lolbergs have read it. I'm 40% of the way through. Excellent quality, but one of the driest books I've ever read.



Did they make a movie of it that I can watch?



Read Rothbard’s Man, Economy, and State first.



Very nice!


Also very nice, 40% is good progress.


No, literally read a book.


I am about 60% through with MES, I read Human Action before that. I like both very much, but perhaps MES is easier to start with for most people. For me, Human Action was better, because it went more in depth on the methodological stuff. To each his own.

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why does the fed get so much hate? it literally lowered mortgage rates

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because their goal is not to suck off shareholders but to keep the trust in the dollar

shareholders obviously dont like rate increases and therefore cried a shitton and even managed the fed to stop further increases for the near future

in my opinion the fed is one of the few institutions left in the us that still has some credibility



actually lower interest rates were obviously the result of QE which was necessary due to the crisis which was initially enabled and therefore caused by lack of regulation of loans an mortages


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And QE was done by the fed. And there was no "deregulation" pertinent to the financial crisis which occurred in the years leading up to it, making any effort to blame the crisis on deregulation an exercise in futility. The only take colder is to blame it on "greed."


People like rollercoasters, and like their currency to be a rollercoaster because rollercoasters are fun.

Thus they hate the central bank.

They want tiny-private-bank backed currencies that are subject to speculation.


they manipulate interest rates and caused the housing crisis

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Come on you lazy niggers, let's solve this question once and for all.

Is only what you produce your property?

What about the air/bodies of water?

Can land be property?

What is the minimum amount of labour required to homestead a plot of land? Does homesteading give you the right to dictate the use of said land in perpetuity?

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Rivers are a good example of collective, limited usufruct rights.

An individual cannot own a river because it is not a material entity but rather a constant across time.

You can own the fruits of your labour upon the river, but only insofar as the rights of the other users are maintained.


Another example of different principles arriving at the same conclusion.


>If you don't come back for the lawnmower in five years, bob, you can't gank the business they started with it. It's theirs. Should have checked in after the weekend. Same with your fucking factory; work the line or lose it to those whose lives it is.

If you let them borrow the lawnmower the fruits of labour done with the landmower are theirs. That's what borrowing means.

It still doesn't mean the landmower is theirs, since you're the one who made/bought it.



I like this actually. Simple and catchy.



>Rivers are a good example of collective, limited usufruct rights.

Not really. Rivers are as much of a collective property as fucking environment, which is to say, none. It could be called "reactive property" as it reacts and impacts the property of others, but that's only as far as it goes.

>You can own the fruits of your labour upon the river, but only insofar as the rights of the other users are maintained.

Fuck you and your commie rhetoric. You can do whatever the fuck you want and let anyone do whatever the fuck you want unless it causes damage to other's property. No rights except property rights, stick that labor up your ass.

>Another example of different principles arriving at the same conclusion.

Except he said nothing about labor. How much of a gay faggot can you be?


I enjoyed reading this thread, good stuff, thanks.


ancapistan will only fully be realized in spess where there is very little scarcity

anything on earf is just a compromises




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>why should I embrace repulicanism?

Our political system is broke to fuck but anarchists and libertarians cannot make valid arguments to protect consumers from monopolies. One of the only functions of the government is to protect it’s citizens part of that is breaking up monopolies that fuck the consumer over.

>reeeeee government causes monopolies what about my diseconomy and copyright laws!

As far as I can tell diseconomies aren’t a thing that can exist in a advanced society, And while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by Rive and while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by ruger, an the name means something. Also its fair to the person who made ruger to benefit souly from it for a time.

The libertarian an anarchist are forced to make Fringe arguments that you need a political science degree to understand and no ones sure if they actually work. A Republican can make an almost intuitive argument from a classical liberal perspective while still championing a small weak government.

I know the party is garbage with neocons but the foundation and ideas are still a sound is ever. So This thread is for arguing about that and general discussion.


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Show me your budgets /liberty/.

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>yes to Communist shit

>no to Military

You moron. No to all I can understand, but this is just pure retardery.


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He did reduce the spending to zero, the website is just retarded and still assumes Medicare and Social security have costs to maintain even if you set everything to zero.



yeah why can't you just completely cut welfare and Medicare?



This is my issue with ALL of these fucking budget calculators (ESPECIALLY >>100206 , you niggerfaggot). You can't line item by department, you have to do only the options the thinktank who made it will let you do.

In this case, if you read the popup, they explain their asinine reasoning.



I'm not autistic enough to adjust the other settings as it would take too long.

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If you had a few spare billion dollars lying around, how would you spend them, /liberty/? I would invest it into these island structures and build ancap in some warm part of the ocean.

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>The US Navy would suck my cock, if I had a billion dollars, I'd invest in nuclear defenses.




>“I’m dismantling the Soviet Union faster than you are.”

Based. What a great read, I didn't know about this. Maybe the US would be such a communist shithole in comparison to us that they would sell their own navy along with its gay sailors in exchange for some products we have.


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I'd dead afraid of being swalloed by a whale or something, you guys will need a really big island if you want me in there



US government was always 3/4 communist even in the cold war, fucks sake we were funding food and agri subsidies for USSR which helped them divert their own funds to military growth. Commies WON the cold war, they control the west now. Russia and China are less socialist than any Western country.



>we were funding food and agri subsidies for USSR

Not just that. Who bought their oil and gas?

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The Battle Of The Boards

8chan is mostly filled with statists. Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism? I couldn't find any. I see a lot of smart people on /liberty/ but I think most intelligent people steer away from 8chan because of all the retards on here.

If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

Let me know, if enough people care I'll make it.

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>8chan is mostly filled with statists.

I think most websites (much like most of society) are filled with statists anon, it's a shame but it's the reality we live in.

>Are there any good chans mostly focused on anarchism/voluntaryism?

No, at least not to my knowledge. Also not to shit on you or make implications anon but by looking at your posts, you seem to want another 8chan but somehow it'd be anarchist this time, which unfortunately is just not a realistic expectation (I could be wrong but I highly doubt it).

>If there's no good chan/forum for this out there, would you guys be interested in a chan/forum focused on this topic? Non-profit of course.

I mean I certainly wouldn't mind posting on it but I'd have to wonder if it would end up like another operatorchan (which is to say perhaps it's unnecessary).


Kek is this some butthurt chink? Why do we always seem to get the chinks on this board.



>no counter argument

>random insult

And I mean random, where did you even got chink from?



Well, the first pic is pretty damn stupid, as Christianity did not originate in Europe. It originated in the Middle East, and stayed there until the Mohammedan conquests hundreds of years later. It spread over Europe, yes, but also over North Africa, and further over the Middle East. It was never racially homogenous.

It's even more stupid when you consider that most white supremacists have a weird boner for the Scandinavians, who, however, came rather late to the party. The Mediterraneans, who are still derided by some white supremacists, were christianized early on, as were the Hebrews and Middle Easterners. The prototypical "Aryans", the Scandinavians, were still praying to their gay nigger gods when half the Middle East was Christian. it wasn't until later

I'm not even an anti-racist, but racialism as an ideology is pathetic. No one even manages to stay consistent with it. Just be a cultural chauvinist retard.



Kek, that stuff is glorious though!


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Because the way you type reminds me of chinks trying to pass off China as some new economic wonderland and that it's all over for the whites, etc etc. Now of course it could be my mistake in perception and by all means you could be the whitest person on the planet but you sure do play the "I'm a fucking retard who can barely speak English" act pretty well I'd have to say.

>no counter argument

>implying there was an argument to begin with.

Kvetching about your misunderstanding of basic principles and the invasion of 'snowniggers' in a sub-humanoid manner is hardly an argument anon.

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How would a society without a state and no limits on "personal freedom" not degrade into a degenerate multiculti Globohomo society? How would it last with no restrictions on trade? There would be deficits the economy would shit itself. You cannot privatize borders anyone would be free to wonder in. Society would lose all its values and no one would create children anymore and the society would ultimately die.

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wat me then



you havent taken the red pill yet fren


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You are clearly much too smart for this board. Only reddit has the capacity to withstand your massive brain.




>39.2% statist

Man, who ever makes the political tests/compasses are retarded as fuck.



>tfw India is more pro-American government than America

Can we just ship all of our politicians to Pooville?

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I got deleted from /pol/ and bumplocked on /leftypol/. I'll try here too just for the fun of it:

The world is not as bad as you think it is. We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.


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>t. nigger


>unironic Whiggism

Into the trash it goes.

>but muh data

Remind that data isn't worth shit. Samuelson looked at muh data in 1987 and thought the Soviet Union would overtake the US in a decade.


>the internet

Literally a giant behavioural sink.



Statistics only go till 2010.

Invasion of Europe first started in 2014.


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You can try. There's no reason to argue that things are great if they are great. It'd be obvious to everyone from how amazing life would be. Furthermore people living in a prosperous life don't post on imageboards. They're off living their life. Their wonderful, beautiful lives.


<Niggers are universally, definitively dimwitted

<Therefore, there's nothing wrong with treating them as property


Not only have you posted an obvious non-sequitur, but your shift key has clearly become broken from your repeated posting of absolute garbage. I don't even have to use hyperbole to demonstrate how terrible your post is, an actual direct quote is sufficient.

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So ein Hurensohn

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where does /liberty/ stand on individualism and collectivism?

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Isnt it about what has more value?

Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the moral worth of the individual.

Collectivism is a cultural value that is characterized by emphasis on cohesiveness among individuals and "prioritization of the group over self."

Simple wiki definition ofc, but seems exclusive to me



I think this explains it the best.



>the chan

Oh shit anons, he speaks for the chan!



Value doesn't exist in a vacuum. Both have different values in different contexts.



Well, I get what you mean, I guess the problem arises when it's not voluntary, which seems to be the case more often than not with collectivism.

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Welcome to 8chan, newniggers! I know, since you've discovered this place, you've been trying to find a home for political discussion. Unfortunately, /liberty/ doesn't suit your political views. That's fine. There's a great alternative waiting for you:


Hope to see you there!

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It's still an improvement over THIS board.


That board is like getting in a fight in a redneck bar that only has three people in it while the bartender suspiciously eyes you with a gun, while this board is like getting in a fight in a gay bar that has ten people in it–five of which are sucking each others' dicks in the bathroom in the back, two are constantly complaining about how shit the place is, and all the while the bartender doesn't give a shit about what's going on.


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Dude, for the hundredth time, insults lose their punch when they get too convoluted! I had to read this twice before I could be offended.

Pic unrelated, but nice to look at.


Hey /liberty/, don't you guys ever get tired of searching all over the internet for the hottest cuck porn? Come visit >>>/pol/ to find it all in one place!



Yeah there are leftist people here that hate this board and actively work to undermine it, of course well meaning people are a leg up… but that's like being smarter than a nigger, it's not an achievement.



So we can talk fascist fucks that are too retarded to tie their own shoelaces?

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When a libertarian decries the minimum wage, they are only focusing on the costs the employers’ face, that is what is seen. However, they fail to notice the unseen, namely that as employees wages are higher, they spend more, hence sales and revenues of a business rises. Minimum wage doesn't create unemployment. The broken window fallacy that the libertarians use so often shows that we could have a minimum wage law. Further the broken window fallacy is retarded because it can apply to the private sector too. If a restaurant owner sets up a restaurant aren't other owners being deprived of rental space? Libertarians also like to say that the public sector cannot create jobs. But they do not realize that the public sector brought the world out of the Great Depression via the military. They also say that there shouldn't be any public spending during a recession but they do not realize that people have less money to spend in the private sector because very few people have jobs.

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Still, thanks anon.



that link doesn't work anon




shit, thanks



>Philosophy PhD

In my experience, these guys are just as bad as Marxists, because they just start arguing semantics as soon as they get cornered in an argument.

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Sometimes I wonder whether it would be a good idea to go onto commie forums, pretend I was communist, but then troll them by attacking the in-group by saying that they are not communist enough. Just try to get ideological opponents to falter by making them accelerate to the most extreme possible opinions possible. Just destroy any modicum of moderate political opinions that the left have.

I kind of feel like this has already been going on without my doing anything anyways.

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>I kind of feel like this has already been going on without my doing anything anyways.

Realistically so, communists tend to do this by themselves because of the many fuck-up variations of socialism that exist as is, Ju-che, ancom, demsocs, etc etc. It's already a bunch of fragmented retards screaming at each other. What you're essentially doing is just what they've already been doing to themselves.

I mean if you want to run 24 hr ops like that, go ahead but commies are already fragmented to high hell as it is.


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>It's shown me it was a bullshit idea to possibly think

>Three days after when very little has happened yet

Anon, we're just getting started.


You Nazis ARE commies lol

National Socialism is still a form of socialism you fucking idiots



Who are you responding to?



He must think this is /pol/ lol

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