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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.100305 [Open Thread]

>why should I embrace repulicanism?

Our political system is broke to fuck but anarchists and libertarians cannot make valid arguments to protect consumers from monopolies. One of the only functions of the government is to protect it’s citizens part of that is breaking up monopolies that fuck the consumer over.

>reeeeee government causes monopolies what about my diseconomy and copyright laws!

As far as I can tell diseconomies aren’t a thing that can exist in a advanced society, And while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by Rive and while copyright needs to be reformed copyright laws have the ability to benefit the consumer i.e. if I buy a Ruger pistol I know it’s actually made by ruger, an the name means something. Also its fair to the person who made ruger to benefit souly from it for a time.

The libertarian an anarchist are forced to make Fringe arguments that you need a political science degree to understand and no ones sure if they actually work. A Republican can make an almost intuitive argument from a classical liberal perspective while still championing a small weak government.

I know the party is garbage with neocons but the foundation and ideas are still a sound is ever. So This thread is for arguing about that and general discussion.

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 No.100315

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 No.100043 [Open Thread]

If you had a few spare billion dollars lying around, how would you spend them, /liberty/? I would invest it into these island structures and build ancap in some warm part of the ocean.

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 No.100101

>>100069

>The US Navy would suck my cock, if I had a billion dollars, I'd invest in nuclear defenses.

https://worldwarwings.com/when-pepsi-controlled-the-worlds-6th-largest-navy/

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 No.100106

>>100101

>“I’m dismantling the Soviet Union faster than you are.”

Based. What a great read, I didn't know about this. Maybe the US would be such a communist shithole in comparison to us that they would sell their own navy along with its gay sailors in exchange for some products we have.

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 No.100153

File: 4856f0404184f70⋯.png (123.98 KB,1080x409,1080:409,( ( reading fiction instea….png)

I'd dead afraid of being swalloed by a whale or something, you guys will need a really big island if you want me in there

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 No.100237

>>100106

US government was always 3/4 communist even in the cold war, fucks sake we were funding food and agri subsidies for USSR which helped them divert their own funds to military growth. Commies WON the cold war, they control the west now. Russia and China are less socialist than any Western country.

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 No.100255

>>100237

>we were funding food and agri subsidies for USSR

Not just that. Who bought their oil and gas?

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 No.99891 [Open Thread]

I got deleted from /pol/ and bumplocked on /leftypol/. I'll try here too just for the fun of it:

The world is not as bad as you think it is. We actually live in one of the most peaceful times in history.

https://ourworldindata.org/

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 No.100144

>>100138

>t. nigger

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 No.100177

>unironic Whiggism

Into the trash it goes.

>but muh data

Remind that data isn't worth shit. Samuelson looked at muh data in 1987 and thought the Soviet Union would overtake the US in a decade.

>>99958

>the internet

Literally a giant behavioural sink.

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 No.100178

>>99891

Statistics only go till 2010.

Invasion of Europe first started in 2014.

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 No.100185

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>>99960

YEAH BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RETARDED WHITE PEOPLE RIGHT?????

INB4 THEY ARE ALL JEWS..

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 No.100229

>>100058

You can try. There's no reason to argue that things are great if they are great. It'd be obvious to everyone from how amazing life would be. Furthermore people living in a prosperous life don't post on imageboards. They're off living their life. Their wonderful, beautiful lives.

>>100185

<Niggers are universally, definitively dimwitted

<Therefore, there's nothing wrong with treating them as property

>YEAH BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RETARDED WHITE PEOPLE RIGHT?????

Not only have you posted an obvious non-sequitur, but your shift key has clearly become broken from your repeated posting of absolute garbage. I don't even have to use hyperbole to demonstrate how terrible your post is, an actual direct quote is sufficient.

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 No.100179 [Open Thread]

So ein Hurensohn

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 No.99614 [Open Thread]

When a libertarian decries the minimum wage, they are only focusing on the costs the employers’ face, that is what is seen. However, they fail to notice the unseen, namely that as employees wages are higher, they spend more, hence sales and revenues of a business rises. Minimum wage doesn't create unemployment. The broken window fallacy that the libertarians use so often shows that we could have a minimum wage law. Further the broken window fallacy is retarded because it can apply to the private sector too. If a restaurant owner sets up a restaurant aren't other owners being deprived of rental space? Libertarians also like to say that the public sector cannot create jobs. But they do not realize that the public sector brought the world out of the Great Depression via the military. They also say that there shouldn't be any public spending during a recession but they do not realize that people have less money to spend in the private sector because very few people have jobs.

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 No.99803

>>99790

>discord

Still, thanks anon.

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 No.99903

>>99790

that link doesn't work anon

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 No.99954

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 No.99956

>>99954

shit, thanks

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 No.99982

>>99756

>Philosophy PhD

In my experience, these guys are just as bad as Marxists, because they just start arguing semantics as soon as they get cornered in an argument.

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 No.99852 [Open Thread]

REMINDER THAT ROLF HARRIS IS INNOCENT

>Rolf Harris: Why We Know He Is Innocent.

https://www.rolfharrisisinnocent.com/

>Rolf Harris should have been given a retrial.

http://barristerblogger.com/2017/11/19/rolf-harris-given-retrial/

>Rolf Harris and the case of the sleeping Metropolitan Policeman: Bias and Unfairness in the Rolf Harris Trial

https://rationalthoughtprocess.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/rolf-harris-and-the-case-of-the-sleeping-metropolitan-policeman-bias-and-unfairness-in-the-rolf-harris-trial/

>Rolf Harris - Beyond reasonable doubt?

https://misesuk.org/2014/07/05/rolf-harris-beyond-reasonable-doubt-2-attachments/

>Rolf Harris is a victim of a heinous conspiracy.

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2017/01/25/rolf-harris-is-a-victim-of-heinous-conspiracy/

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 No.99888

How do they prove such allegations when the supposed acts occurred decades ago?

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 No.99857 [Open Thread]

BO, I know you lurk here at least occasionally. I've learned to appreciate the hands-off moderation, but could we please change the image in the stickied post to be something other than that political compass? You have DemSoc and honest-to-God statism listed in the "welcome" zone. Neither of those, and arguably nothing in the bottom-left quadrant, belong in the welcome zone.

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 No.99876

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 No.99877

>>99876

>>>/larpaganism/

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 No.99881

>>99857

Hey, i remember the very same thread with this very picture long ago.

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 No.99882

>>99881

There was a similar but not identical threat a while back. If I recall correctly, OP was bitching about the BO's moderation policy rather than the sticky.

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 No.99883

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>>99861

It's a symbol against white genocide

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 No.99736 [Open Thread]

If one wants to understand economics from the point of view of austrian ther eis the Tom Woods Show, mises.org, PFS, ecc

What about other school of thought? In particular I'm curious about the chicago school. Is there an equivalent of mises.org or the others are cool enough that can just survive in academia?

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 No.99745

>>99739

>Also priori arguments don't cut it.

But that is itself an a priori statement, not a positivist one :^)

It's impossible to attempt to refute a priori reasoning without using multiple a priori arguments yourself; by the very act of dismissing the conceptual approach you only affirm its validity.

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 No.99746

>>99743

>because they can be disproven via empirical evidence and it sounds as schizophrenic and Keynes.

They cannot be. A priori arguments, if they are logically sound, are by definition correct, and cannot be disproven by any occurence. To say that empirical evidence has disproven marginal utility is like saying that a triangle was discovered that shows Pythagoras' Theorem to be wrong.

A priori arguments still are not infallible. If you find independent reason to discard them, then you can do so. Empirical evidence, no matter how overwhelming it seems, is at best a reasonable incentive to look at what is wrong with the a priori argument. In this context, it is important to remember that there is only one reality. There can never be a genuine conflict between properly interpreted empirical evidence and logically valid a priori argumentation.

Another way to look at it is this: Every observation must be interpreted in the light of what we know without any observation. For example, the scientific method relies on experimentation, but for experiments to be meaningful, causality must be real. The validity of experimentation stands and falls with causality. Likewise, to make sense of economic data, you require a knowledge of economic laws. Otherwise, you rely on implicit laws.

As for your infopic, I'll leave that to someone else, for now, unless I find something striking in it.

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 No.99747

>>99743

So, I looked at Friedmans graphs. I found this sentence striking:

>booms do not tend to cause recession of equal intensity, which is what would be required by the ABCT and similar business cycles

Honestly, why would they be equal? GNP is not a direct measure of wealth. For one, even blatantly unproductive transactions drive it up. Expenses by the state enter it at their nominal value, even if they were a mistake from a financial standpoint. That is for one. Meanwhile, services that clearly have value, but one that isn't expressed in monetary terms, do not enter it. It is not a perfect representation of the state of the economy. To treat it as such is wishful thinking.

Furthermore, there are, at any given moment, millions of factors driving GNP up or down. The same is true of most economic indexes. To expect a proportional relationship between two factors to be visible in the GNP, when millions of factors enter it, is not to know what GNP is.

Now, when I look at figure 1, I can see that every trough is preceeded by a peak. Certainly, the peak is not nearly as prominent, but it's always there.

I'll leave the rest of the interpretation to other anons. Perhaps some that have more of a background in statistical analysis.

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 No.99749

>>99745

>:^)

is this emoticon supposed to show NPC or a Jew?

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 No.99798

>>99749

jesus christ how new are you

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 No.99758 [Open Thread]

>get banned from ancap discord server for making helicopter memes and "what if the child consent."

Fuck redditors and fuck discord.

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 No.99763

>>99760

anarchy is the surest way to get your liberties curbed and fast. it's an autistic mess of ideas. it's no different than fascists or communists either.

>da joos

>da white males

>da gubbamin

>da bourgeoisie

the reality of anarchy is chaos. owners shutting down roads, banks stealing your money, property you're not currently living at being taken away, no insurance, no way to ensure your food is safe, no way to ensure the restaurants you eat at are safe, nothing to protect you from fraud, nothing to stop foreign governments from buying property, no car insurance, no infrastructure to recover after damage, your neighbor'a poorly built house will fall on yours, nothing to stop a hoard of migrants, nothing to stop NGOs from bringing in migrants, nothing to stop bank fraud, cities will look like shit because you can build anything you want anywhere, and you guys can't even agree on an age of consent.

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 No.99765

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>>99763

>no car insurance

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 No.99766

>>99763

>Anarchy means no liberties

>fascists and communists are the same

Are you an unironic Goldilocks republican? Seriously? Or are you just some retarded Monarchist who thinks that ultimate power should be concentrated in the hands of "my beautiful, perfect, noble lord" instead of "My beautiful, perfect, dear Fuhrer"?

Reading your post again it seems you're just a normalfag. How did you even find this board?

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 No.99768

>>99766

I'm starting to notice increased influx of normalfags since that shooting.

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 No.99797

>>99758

Socialists have a right to live. But children also have a right to consent.

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 No.98452 [Open Thread]

Fact:

Traditional Marriage as it was practiced before first wave feminism 100+ years ago, was created without the state, across cultures through voluntary social interactions.

We would likely to go back to such a system. The only reason why people still get married is that they mistake and get fooled by civil marriage and think it's real marriage.

In actual fact just having a long-term gf is more real of a marriage, than actually marrying her under state marriage, because it's natural for women to ONLY get your ressources, if they stay with you. You corrupt that and basically create an incentive for women to immideatly leave men, once something is not to their liking, if you marry them.

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 No.99718

>>99717

How do you figure? NEETSocs have no control over the state apparatus and they probably won't anytime soon. Any goons that kick down your door are going to be either commies or the tools of commies.

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 No.99732

>>98452

If it was up to me, the state would get out of marriage, and marriages would henceforth be treated as contracts as far as the state is concerned, modified by religious canons. So if you are married by the Catholic Church, you don't get to divorce. When it's a muslim marriage, the women cannot divorce, but the man can do so unilaterally. And so on.

If it was up to me, everyone married couple would follow the rules of the Catholic Church, but where is the value in enforcing my religious views on what a proper marriage is on couples that do not share these views? If I can tolerate (in the true sense of that word) pagan chicks having open relationships, then I can tolerate muslims marrying five women at once. If they don't subsidize their bullshit, and am not obliged to respect it, then I am good. We live in an imperfect world, after all.

>Traditional Marriage as it was practiced before first wave feminism 100+ years ago, was created without the state, across cultures through voluntary social interactions.

But, anon, which libertarian would not admit that? I suppose left-wing libertarians, but there are very few on this board these days.

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 No.99737

>>98602

>you need to already be married to a woman, and then have another woman join you in your household

That's what it means to you. That's not what it means to him or those people. I always thought it meant "woman who is less legally important than my wife, but one I nevertheless claim".

>>99718

He's worried about Australians showing up and murdering him, I think. Some idiots lately have been saying that.

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 No.99757

>>99737

Nah, the shitposting cunts love me.

>>99718

Commie governments tend to collapse under their own weight anyways, and I'd fall under the special privileged class who gets to live the high life due to my skillsets in a commie government/flee the country when shit hits the fan. NEETSocs (who have a real chance of getting into power in a country that isn't 3rd world status already) when they get into power tend to fuck everything up in the process. Both would point a gun at my head and tell me that work makes me free, but the Commies at least intuitively understand that killing people like me is a quick step towards 3rd world status and give me cushiony living standards and sometimes even a girl to fuck.The Nazis just insist on me doing shit for them (or die) while living in abject poverty in their mockery of an economy that they claim is "booming." The NEETSocs are closer to the Mexican cartels in a lot of ways such as this. By process of elimination, I'd be more likely to point my gun at a NEETSoc invasion than a Commie invasion albeit I'd point my gun at either if I thought I had a winning chance.

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 No.99770

>>99737

>LANGUAGE IS SUBJECTIVE

OK purple monkey dishwasher.

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 No.99009 [Open Thread]

So I finally got my first job in California and now I honestly have a obligation to vote for someone without a D after their name, Long story short I pay close to FIVE HUNDERD DOLLARS a month in taxes for no good reason. Where does my money go? And for who? Why are THEY or the GOVERNMENT entitled to my hard earned money. I work in a factory mind you, before this I actually voted for the Green Party… Not making any o this up, has coming out of my NEET habits and growing up really made me understand what is what in this world. Any place I can start with ebil gapitalism?

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 No.99012

Don't vote

Move away and don't bring any Californian practices with you.

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 No.99022

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>>99009

It's made you understand that being left to your own devices, you'll invest your money where you need it, or malinvest and suffer the consequences. The next step is realizing that even the most retarded members of the population are capable of learning that you must invest your money wisely. A mentally handicapped man will understand "if I spend my money on a candy bar, I can't ride the bus home, and I'd have to walk five miles in the snow" so it's not a leap to suggest they realize hardship and come out more careful with their money in other areas (or hire a poor man's accountant/family member to do it for them). The age/advent of 3D printing and other technologies means even a cripple can have a plastic arm to perform simple tasks for about $100-$500 depending on how much functionality they want.

>>99012

You should bully anon for using normalfaggot memes, not for realizing he was indoctrinated.

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 No.99028

>>99022

>>99012

California is a shithole, sadily. Meanwhile the immigrants get their checks slipped to them by the supervisior :(

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 No.99592

>>99028

Report him to ICE.

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 No.99672

>>99009

>He thinks the Republicans are any better

>He thinks voting can solve the problem

Either be poor and avoid the taxes, or become rich in spite of them and then pay lobbyists to fight them.

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 No.99220 [Open Thread]

Capitalism is a Marxist strawman that was designed for failure and you guys gobbles it up. Marx coined the term Capitalism and gave it his own definition which was a strawman. Everyone just believed that the opposite to Marx's system was the strawman definition he gave. Numerous schools and politicians have gone on defending a Marxist strawman. Marx created division and a false dichotomy that you must choose one of two radicals. Marx was evil

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 No.99222

In the us, capitalism just means free market economics, regardless of the spurious origins of the term.

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 No.99266

>>99220

>Marx coined the term Capitalism

When will this meme end?

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 No.99268

>>99266

It was coined by proto-Marxist socialists, however. Regardless, it's been pretty successfully coopted as a denotative term for free enterprise, rather than the pejorative it was originally. I still do my best to avoid using it on principle, however.

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 No.99542

>>99268

https://www.etymonline.com/word/capitalism#etymonline_v_27665

>1854, "condition of having capital"

Note that this is 18 yeasrs before:

>Meaning "political/economic system which encourages capitalists" is recorded from 1872, originally used disparagingly by socialists.

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 No.99665

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>>99220

Doesnt matter, marxism is a dead ideology anyway. And any "marxist" you see today are simply critical theory zombies wearing the corpse of marxism over themselves for LARP purposes

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 No.99565 [Open Thread]

http://newslanc.com/where-descendants-of-former-soviet-rulers-went-to-live/

Does /liberty/ have more great examples of rich commie kids, living the good life, enjoying their parents hard-stolen wealth, or otherwise moving as far away as possible from the socialist utopia their parents created for everyone else?

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 No.99577

Lol, all modern Russia

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 No.99582

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 No.99583

Isn't that what Marx himself was?

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 No.99585

>>99583

No because Marx never lived under a communist system. He did scam Engels out of money since his father was a factory owner.

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 No.99590

>>99583

that was wngels

>>99566

she a liberal

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 No.99381 [Open Thread]

In case you haven't heard yet, some /pol/ack in New Zealand decided to go full Siege and shoot up a mosque, making a post to 8chan shortly before the event, and making a few references to the site in his livestream. There's a non-zero chance that 8chan wil get Zucced as a result of this. On the off-chance that happens, it may be in our interest to designate some other imageboard as a "bunker" in which we may congregate should this place go down. Any initial candidates? Livebunker.rocks is the only one of which I know, but it's more chatroom than true imageboard.

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 No.99410

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https://meguca.org/nya/

Get in here, nya~!

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 No.99494

Is there an option to create a board? Or do you need to contact an admin?

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 No.99517

>>99406

I want an imageboard webring.

I'll start:

Endchan

https://endchan.xyz/

s6424n4x4bsmqs27.onion

Sushigirl

https://sushigirl.us/

Meguca

https://meguca.org

Wizchan

https://wizchan.org/

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 No.99524

>>99517

>>99406

>an imageboard webring.

I hope the time for giant imageboards like 8gag for 4cuck will be over. I want it to be like the olden days again where various niche imageboards dangled dicks together and shared users.

It's also easier to protect yourself from cianiggers that way.

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 No.99581

>>99383

fuck you. i never knew my headphones could be so loud

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 No.98665 [Open Thread]

This movie (In time, 2011) supposedly should be anti-capitalism, but it ends up being a pro-capitalism movie when read using economics as a framework.

The premises are that people are engineered to never get old, but they have a timer and when the timer expires they die. So, they use time as money since they can exchange it with other people. From the movie it's implied that there is an unlimited amount of time available, in theory, and the scarcity is artificial and probably created by the government. Yet, this is an anti-capitalism movie. You see where this is going?

But even if time was a scarce resource, why the hell would someone use time as currency? It doesn't make sense because when you have to pay your last two hours for a bus fare, the price is automatically too high and not worth it. We know that the currency isn't necessarely valuable because of its possible applications, but it's mostly a system to represent value and exchange it with other people. So, stability in currency is something seeked and time is certainly not stable as currency since its value change greatly base on how much you have of it. Nobody would really use time as currency, certainly not to the point of risking their life. Other things would be used as money, unless of course it wasn't the government to force people to use time as a currency, which is something that is happening in the society depicted. Forcing people to use a certain thing as currency is not capitalism.

Then we have the prices for goods that soar and the rich girl telling the protagonist something along the lines of "we do up the price so that people die". It seems that we have a central planning board choosing prices, which is absolutely not capitalism and not free market. I won't even discuss it firther here since this is literally chapter fucking one of basic economics of Sowell.

Then there is the problem of "if everyone had infinite time we would die of overpopulation". No, we wouldn't. If property rights were used, people would just not create new humans because it would be too expensive to mantain them. Also, there would be privatized incentives to get sterilized or at least have your fertility put on hold. Truth is, we already live in a situation where nothing is stoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.98718

>>98666

I can't spend all day watching lectures about liberty and history. I could, but it would be weird.

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 No.98750

>>98718

read book then

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 No.99547

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>>98665

In time does not represent a Capitalist dystopia but rather the Keynesian Dystopia of Central Banking in todays society.

If you relate time earned with money printing, inflation, and rising intrest rates then its quite easy to see what the movie was really all about.

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 No.99551

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>2011

They stole this idea from David Firth

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 No.99553

>>98666

Those who already made it big don't want things to become cheaper, since that would enable competition. They can already afford it and don't want anyone else to be able to.

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