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Ya'll need Mises.

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I'll start

Behemoth - Libertheme

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Behemoth is GOAT.

There's some crap ITT, though…

This thread needs more anarcho-punk. It was basically an offshoot of the British punk scene that criticized the original movement for being too conventional and manufactured, so it was more stripped down and raw (less processed), but also a lot more politically aware, and more experimental. The movement was more or less started by Penny Rimbaud, an artist who'd started a communal housing project (Dial House), helped form the modern British animal rights movement, and had studied philosophy at Oxford.

The bands are awesomely diverse. Rudimentary Peni was an anarcho band, but really into horror, and the songwriter was schizophrenic, so he wrote about mental illness. Amebix combined the scratchy anarcho sound with the driving metal of Motörhead and Discharge, and the dark goth/post-punk sound of bands like Killing Joke. The Ex is one of the most prolific bands in rock music, and they progressed from straightforward anarcho-punk, to noise rock, to African Jazz and Eastern European folk. Zounds were a great swaggering post-punk band. Subhumans were a great snotty classic punk band. Conflict was one of the greatest hardcore bands of all time. Lot of good stuff.





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Cream - I Feel Free (Original Music Video, 1966)



''You can ride a great big pink Cadillac to church on Sunday

You can hang around the house with your old lady on Monday

Ain't nobody's business but your own

Man I don't care what in the world that you do

As long as you do what you say you going to

Ain't nobody's business but your own''

Taj Mahal ~ ain't nobody's business



Top 10 Libertarian Songs


which includes…,

Billy Joel - My Life (Official Video)



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I saw them, they ripped their carcass with teeth

I saw them, they threatened each other with rifles

I saw them, they exchanged handshakes with a smile

I saw them, they sat on a throne, in a crown

I saw them, they stomped on each other with boots

I saw them, running each other over with tanks

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, you don't, don't, don't have power

Hey, don't you know that, not yours is power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, in the world!

I saw them, they exchanged handshakes with a smile

I saw them, they sat on a throne, in a crown

I saw them, they stomped on each other with boots

I saw them, running each other over with tanks

I saw them, they ripped their carcass with teeth

I saw them, they threatened each other with rifles

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, you don't, don't, don't have power

Hey, don't you know that, not yours is power in the world.

Hey, don't you know that, you don't have power in the world.

Hey, don't you know, in the world!

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Why is the MSM so bad at their job?

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>That they're not bad at their job?



Because public education has done enough of a number on people that they don't have to be good at their job.



Really? Last I heard a lot more people were cutting the chord with the one exception being boomers.


I know some people like to say the internet will defeat the MSM but I fear they're trying to co-opt it like with youtube where it's becoming more like Television. Are alternative sites stuck in a tug of war with the MSM?



>No one interested in music listens to the radio to discover new music, and no one is forcing you to listen to music radio.

I listen to radio often, far less common is watching TV.

How often is TV-with-commercials not lame (or inflammatory)?

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is the libertarian to alt right/fascist piepline real? it looks like it's happening with Stefan right now

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Good post, CSA.


AI made mostly by whites.


When were Libertarians more violent than the alt-right?



>Instead markets are about value.

Merit is a form of value, you said so yourself.

>Merit is something that comes from individual judgement

There many markets that uses merit as a form of value. The sports industry is one of the biggest.



The userbase of this board is a small core of regular posters plus a revolving door of NEETSocs and commie NPCs whose rhetoric is so similar they may as well be the same person. There's bound to be some repeated or almost-repeated posts in there somewhere.


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>AI made mostly by whites.

Actually asians, but if you provide an AI made by africans I'd be happy to compare it.



Gonna try to explain myself better, since English is not my first language.

Merit is a judgement people make.

I can judge a product A to be better than product B, but I'll still buy B because I only have the resources to buy B. That's why meritocracy has nothing to do with the free market.

Meritocracy is statism because meritocracy is about judgement and not about renouncing to resources to buy something.

For example when the government's bureaucrats choose who to hire, they choose based on meritocracy because they hire based on who they think has merit. They don't have to renounce to their resources since they have unlimited money stolen from someone. This always happens no matter what they choose. Even when there is corruption, it's still a meritocracy because the person who decides to hire is making a choice based on his judgement and not on the need to allocate resources.

> sports industry is one of the biggest.

There is no industry based on merit. Industries are based on individuals allocating resources. You are fooling yourself in thinking athletes deserve their place because they win games. But they don't always win and often lose, and yet they get a place in a team or play anyway. They have a place in the market because someone is willingly to transfer resources to them, but it's not a meritocracy.

The point is that the meritocracy, being based on a personal judgement, doesn't give space to having other people make choices that we don't like. In meritocracy a person can intervene in a voluntary transaction to impose is will. In the free market instead you have to respect choices other people make that you may find disgusting and bad.

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>Modern Monetary Theory (MMT or Modern Money Theory) is a macroeconomic theory that sovereign governments have an unlimited financial ability to pay for the things they wish to purchase and to fulfill promised future payments. MMT claims that these governments also have an unlimited ability to provide funds to other sectors, and that because of this, it is not possible for a government that issues its own currency to be bankrupt



Banks are innocent and goverment is evil. Tolerance not racism OK


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>it's Keynesianism 2: Electric Boogaloo

What do you think, OP.

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Hats off to Procter and Gamble for taking the risk and addressing social issues. This is a prime example of the superiority of corporations and the free market in handling issues over the government. Statists like to think ancapistan won't have charity, that lack of hate speech suppression will lead to discrimination, and that things will devolve into fuedalism where the lower income groups have no say. But here we have a prime example of the free market solving a problem. While Trump's big government is stalling public services and increasing racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia, here a corporation motivated only by profit, has brought a controversial topic to the forefront, and shot down it's ugly detractors without any government intervention.

With one swift ad campaign, they've revealed and exposed the shocking amount of the populace that supports sexual harassment, all the while doing a good job imbuing strong motivation for the progressive heroes of society. The incels who don't like it can live without household staples like Tide pods and shampoo, instead taking lower quality bootlegs. This is great, misogynists are getting punished by being denied goods and services, forced to support the foreign countries they loathe by being denied American made products.

I used to have doubts about ancapistan because of the number of bigots that would crowd it, but I understand now that the market will always have a solution, and social justice will not only thrive in ancapistan, but will stamp out the scum that holds us back. I can't wait for the pearl clutching manbabies to end up biting the bullet and going back to Gillete razors after this thing blows over in a month or two, haplessly funding P and G's next egalitarian masterpiece.

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Satan makes good points. Hail



>The razor company?

I mean media in general but other anons have brought up good points about the reaction to this ad. So that gives me some hope.


Nice trips Thanks dude you bring up a lot of good points.






open your eyes nigga


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Open your eyes, nigger.

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>When someone gets assaulted and you witness it without doing anything, you are partly responsible

>When someone is starving and you don't give him food, you are partly responsible of his death.

>When someone is homeless and you own empty apartments for rent, you are partly responsible of his condition.

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i think that communities and societies vary and concept of NAP will vary too



People born and raised in a system where there's a hard and fast set of rules that hypothetically gets applied equally for all have real trouble understanding how conflict resolution really works.


Unless I have a relationship with the man being assaulted, I have to reason to care about him.

Unless I have a relationship with the man who is starving, I have no reason to care about him.

Unless I have a relationship with the man who is homeless, I have no reason to care about him.

I am only responsible for their condition in that my choices have an effect on their lives. This is hardly a profound statement as everyone's choices has an effect on everyone's lives. If you want to morally invest yourself in the well-being of strangers who have no connection to you, that is your imperative, not mine.

>but you have an obligation as a citizen to do so

If I have entered into a contract with the collective to act as a public servant in a manner that would apply to one of those scenarios then yes I have an ethical obligation because I agreed to accept that obligation. If I have invested myself spiritually into the community in a manner that would apply to one of those scenarios then yes I have a moral obligation because I have agreed to accept that obligation. As it stands I have done none of these things, and thus have no obligation.

>but the state gives you roads and stuff

Unless I agree to an exchange wherein I help protect the community in exchange for goods or services, there has been no ethical or moral contract created. If you choose to adopt a moral system wherein unasked for favors must be repaid, that is on you. I have not accepted such a system and find it illegitimate.



how does it work?




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history about the Liberal history of Sweden and dispelling the Berniebro memes about the country


That was a pretty decent video.Thanks OP.


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>calling shitholes "developing countries" as if they are developing since colonisation

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How can you be libertarian after this?

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Found the (((CIAnigger)))


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>If I was a Libertarian

Should have KYS right there



this tbh



Do you have any idea how expensive it is to maintain a military? Even nowadays PMCs all operate under government contract. Large-scale armies with $70M Trident missiles and $100M F-35s can only exist under a state through the magic of taxation and fiat currency. If you do manage to pay for a missile defense system with your own money, it's probably for a reason that has to do with your own survival, because the amount of value you get from deciding to blow up the company next door (good luck trying to explain that to your customers) pales in comparison.

>now I wipe out military with shotgun

You'd be surprised. Let's just say for the sake of argumentation someone comes in with a conventional military force. Remember that time when the USSR tried to attack Finland? They were sending tanks up against bicycle companies and ski troopers. Soviet casualties were 8 to 1. Even though the Finns didn't have any tanks of their own, they just ran up to the tanks and shoved logs and crowbars into their treads before planting explosives and running away..

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Matt Heimbach or Jason Unruhe? /pol/ or /leftypol/

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>the communist reveals his true identity




I'm making fun of the retard struggling to hold up airshit and calling himself tough, not praising him.



I wasn't talking about you; I was talking about the man in the video.



>He seems unhinged. Maybe his Patreon account is drying up

Doesn't he hate capitalism and mindless consumeris-ohhh wait a minute


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Sounds interesting do you have a story to tell about that?

Regarding Matt Heimbach. Post related.

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>all these familiar looking drawing

What are you even doing here on this board.


dont go to cuckoldchan



Well before I was interested in art I was interested in anonymous political banter so I thought I’d indulge a little. Big waste of time, though in my experience



“time, though”

Ugh, wanted to delete but I got cucked by the “wrong password” error


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to what?

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what prevents collusion between oligopolies in a free market? or how are oligopolies prevented in a free market?

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>what prevents collusion between oligopolies in a free market? or how are oligopolies prevented in a free market?

Not having a government powerful enough to give them enormous amounts in subsidies, copyright and patent chests that last for 234987 years, "too large to fail" bailout protections, huge regulatory apparatus built especially to the whims of large corporations for the explicit purpose of blocking out competition, or antitrust agencies that they can easily capture to allow their mergers anyways–for one.



Last time I checked it was the government board formed by Florida's Oranges/Tropicana keeping companies from buying Grade B/Grade C oranges and making cheap orange juice, not Florida's Oranges or Tropicana.



>oligopoly know about each other's behavior

They do not know each other's behavior. Look at Russia for example in the OPEC Plus cartel. They have not been meeting their obligation by delaying their decrease in production for quite sometime.



>It doesn't allow for competition

There's more than one supplier, there's competition. Again, oligopolies form because in certain industries work better with them–if you had "more competition," i.e. many small firms, you would have higher prices and lower efficiency. Why would you want higher prices and lower efficiency?

>Dis-economies of scale

I wasn't talking about disenconomies of scale., actually. But since you brought it up, diseconomies of scale can and do happen in all markets. It doesn't matter how "well run" it is, increased complexity brings with it increased points of failure, increased overhead, and certain inefficiencies. The maximum profitable threshold is different in different economies, but it is undoubtedly present.


<imperfect competition

There is nothing wrong with imperfect competition. "Perfect" competition is not inherently more desirable or "better" than other forms of competition, it's an academic construct. In fact, "perfect" competition is in many ways less desirable, because it implies there's no entrepreneurship, no advertising, no differentiation…in other words, a "perfectly competitive" market is a market which eliminates all of the methods through which firms compete with one another. https://mises.org/wire/why-perfect-competition-not-so-perfect

<Game theory is thrown out the window of the few companies in the oligopoly know about each other's behavior

This is false, on multiple levels. First, it's not correct to say that the different firms know about each other's decisions–the decisions happen simultaneously in most cases, which makes it impossible to know. They might be able to anticipate and predict what the other's decisions are, but that's not the same asPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


What's an example of an oligopoly in the real world that mandates state coercion in the interest of citizens?

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white ancaps

>hurr instelleksuall proberdy isun't reel proberdy

also white ancaps

>c-china i-isn't completely btfoing us technologically without a proper free market, th-they're just s-stealing our technology

>reeeeeee the chinese don't care about our copyrights or patents before improving our products

I swear, every crossboarder thread, even the ironic shitposting threads, all completely destroy and refute this board's nonsense ideology.

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>Effort is not value

Where did that come from? Are you seeing things again?

> I've fucked your argument up six sides over

Maybe you post a quote at least once before fucking arguments over, sweetie?

>all your insults

I didn't even try to insult you, sometimes an accurate description does a better job.

>your grammar and spelling is getting worse

Feel free to quote my mistakes. I remember it started out with me pointing out your illiterate weaseling and your ass just can't calm down since then.

>No doubt your blood pressure is through the roof, and you're halfway to punching out your phone screen

Nice projection

>my list of achievements

Being anal slave is not an "achievement", /pol/ reject.


>you basically just said

You can quote what he said, you know.

>I'll ask again

man, you really like acting dense. You're replying to the post where he explains it.

>stealing IP

So you are saying that chinks are petty thieves that can't do anything right? Pretty good progress, though you've still got far to go.



>going through an autistic sperg out over being outed for being suicidally frustrated

>replying for other people's arguments

looks like I hit the mark. this ancap larper is going to pop a vein, maybe even blow his brains out with a shotgun.



I guess you're incapable of distinguishing your dreams and reality. Maybe that's why you think china is so great.



I was emulating the mindset of a proper ancap, who dreams of ancapistan, most closely implemented in modern china



Still imagining things, huh.

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While you nerds were fucking around jerking yourselves off to pointless political philosophy, and wasting hours arguing over dumb thought experiments that will literally never materialize nor contribute to any tangible achievement, this prime cripple waifu was snagged up by some normie, to have her pure God loving tradcon pussy creamed on her wedding night, her delicate, untouched hymen torn as she spasms into her first orgasm, blabbering unintelligible notes as her jaws and larynx lose all motor control.

You can browse through her channel, watch every single moment of her life since she was a little girl, relive her entire experience growing up, her every memorable activity and experience, imagine yourself sniffing her armpits, maybe even jerking off with her hair, but you will never console the fact that you wasted your life pretending you know shit about Austrian Economics or The Labor Theory of Value, while she got fucked and ejaculated in by another man in every single orifice. You can hang on to her channel in disbelief, refusing to accept reality, but in time, all you'll see are videos of her first and then second born, stilling markers that she's not only been fucked, she's not only been creamed and inseminated, but that her pussy has been completely and utterly ploughed into messy folded paste, over and over and over again, only to be ripped asunder months later by a struggling gasping infant clambering into this world, sans your DNA, but half of his DNA. His genes that were passed on while yours rotted in your testicles, desperate for the release that would make your parents proud and fulfill their biological purpose. A release that hasn't come, a release that will probably never come.

Do you see now the pointlessness of it all, reminder after reminder after reminder that you are destined to fail? For us ancap psuedointellectuals, it never even began.

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One day the moderation will be vigilant enough to eliminate transparent spammers like you. One day. Not today, obviously, but one day.


You fucking faggot. That video just filled me with joy and hope in humanity. Fuck you to hell.


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This could've been yours. You could have fucked this but it's too late.




I've got three nephews. My genes are as good as passed, I get to sleep at night, and I don't have to pay for it. It's kind of awesome.



he looks autistic as fuck

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After watching this Varg's video, I agree him on the ship & air shipping, we should buy stuff that are made domestic in order to limit sea & air shipping to reduce pollution.

In fact, "free trade" that utilizes sea containers & air ship should be banned, just for the environment sake.

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>16 container ships pour our more pollution than all the world cars put together.

16 containers transport more wealth than all those cars



>And more pollution that all the world cars put together, that price is NOT worth the pollution.

In order to produce the same amount of wealth as those 16 containers, you will require more cars and produce more pollution than the transport of those containers.



>I believe in private property and free-trade, just not in free trade that destroys the environment that will actually hamper my life and everybody else's life.

In free trade and the recolonization of property rights, polluters have to recompense those whose property was damaged by pollution. This provides incentive to limit the amount of pollution.



>Including boasting a longer life expectancy then the US)

According to state data that is not verified by independent 3rd parties.


>restricting commerce

>listening to varg

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