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Ya'll need Mises.

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Anyone have more good infopics?

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>Scandinavia is Socialist

Read Marx


Moralism and Morality in general is subjective and means jack shit when discussing economic and societal systems

Truth is socialism has led to increased standards of living in effectivly every nation that has implemented it from increases in caloric intake to life expectancy to general economic stability

>How is the Khmer Rouge Reactionary

<Literally wanted to revert society to Montargard levels because pol pot thought it looked cool



He's not stating that Scandinavia is socialist, retard

>socialism has led to increased standards of living in effectivly every nation that has implemented it from increases in caloric intake

Clearly, you are oblivious to the Kibbutzim



>Israel / Kibbutz is / were socialist because it has some collective farms



You people claim that Singapore is socialist because it has some subsidized housing, don't see why you're kvetching now.



>ownership of the means of production are owned by the workers

pretty much textbook definition of socialism

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To the porkyposter who recently posted on a few leftypol threads:

Sorry you got banned. There are a significant number of leftists that would rather debate and engage opposing ideas rather than ban, but we don't control leftypol. That would be the toxic tranny who has killed our board. We could fix the situation if we had collective control of the board, but we don't.

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Imagine a communist Mexico.

They'll have solved the drug problems by running out of cocaine.



was that ellen paige?


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This satisfies me



Crap I think I recognize the artist.


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You people are so god damn stupid. It's like you actually wan't an anarchist society, hypocritically by liberal mega corps who are actually worse than the "big gobermant" you fear so much. For people who are represented by a flag that LITERALLY SAYS Don't Tread on Me, you would sure love to be trampled by corporations who don't even give a shit about you.

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You forgot muh social contract for a "civilized" society


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This couldn't be more on point


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here, fixd'ed



this xD

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Are there cities that have no or at least minimal city planning and zoning? What are they like?


Early cities usually start out by letting people set up shop wherever and grow organically, but we don't have a lot of new cities being made, do we?


Does the walled city of Kowloon count?



Well you got China trying to make them.


I remember reading an article that Japan has very minimal zoning laws.

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Taiwan Police Apprehend 3-D Printed Gun Pioneer Accused Of Child Sex Abuse

Wilson, 30, was taken to immigration authorities in the capital by officers from Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau, according to local media reports and an official from the bureau who asked not to be named. However, two Taiwanese officials denied Wilson was arrested or in custody. His exact status was unclear.

Because his U.S. passport was later annulled, the agency’s statement said, he “no longer has the legal status to stay in Taiwan.”

Facing accusations of having sex with a minor, it appears that Cody Wilson, the man behind the 3-D Printable firearms company Defense Distributed, is somewhere in Taiwan being pursued by local police.

According to reporting by Chinese-language media outlet United Daily News, Wilson has skipped his flight home to the U.S. and has attempted to rent an apartment in Taiwan. He appears to have initially passed himself off as an American student living in the city but has since been turned away by a prospected landlord who recognized him and called the authorities.

United Daily News reports that area police and Taiwan’s Criminal Investigation Bureau are now trying to locate Wilson.

On Wednesday, Police in Austin Texas announced that they had a warrant out for the arrest of the 3D-printed gun pioneer on allegations of sexual assault of an underage girl. Investigators say both Wilson and the young girl met through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com and were spotted at an Austin Hotel.

The department revealed that Wilson’s last known location was Taipei, Taiwan but that authorities were unsure whether the 30-year-old had gone to Taiwan on legitimate business or whether he was expressly trying to flee the United States.

“We can’t confirm any of the [Taiwan] reports just yet; no updates planned for today,” Lisa Cortinas, a spokeswoman for the Austin Police Department, told ArsTechnica on Thursday afternoon.

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He allegedly paid her 500 dollar. So it would even be illegal if she were an adult.



He also allegedly "fled the country" to Taiwan, even though all that really happened is the authorities just waited until he left to drop the accusation.



so is prostitution illegal in taiwan?



I think it allegedly occurred in the US, and he was just in Taiwan while the warrant was issued.



Really? I know he's crypto-anarchist but he's never mentioned his views on economics or anything like that.

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Is owning another person the highest form of Freedom?

I don't see anything wrong with owning personal slaves, when the Union freed Blacks a lot of them starved to death. I remember some tumblr user's family owned some slaves justifying it by saying that the country they were in had no possible hope for.

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Guess what? Your will/actor isn't your property, because it's something required for you to gain property. You cannot have homesteaded your actor, partly because you'd have no actor to homestead it with. You cannot have recieved your actor as property before using it, as you'd have no actor to recieve it with.



Could you try speaking English? I’ve read through your post a couple times and I can’t decipher what you mean by actor and homestead.



See >>93937. You cannot alienate your future will, and as a result any contract which involves your selling off indefinite servitude is not an enforcement one.



Actor means will, the (you), or soul, if you will. Homestead means appropriating, being the first to change from the state of nature.



learn english

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I think we should remember that just because we support freedom in the form of less oppression from the state, doesn't mean that we somehow support a "judgement free zone".

We need desperately ostracization and societal pressures to conform to moral standards.

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>Everything I don't like is fascism REEEEE

Nice argument.

>Are you blind? My anecdote was immediately followed by statistical data.

Conveniently behind a paywall, and the data I've seen suggests otherwise.

>Your obsession with the state

Didn't say anything about the state, sweetheart.

>wish to associate with competent, friendly people. Some of those people are black. That is all.

Averages and modes, anon. Your outliers don't change them.

>you truly believe it would be easier to make the general population want to implement racial segregation by force than to eliminate the welfare state, you are ether disingenuous or insane.

Never said force either, dipshit. Freedom of dissociation means segregation will happen all on its own. People congregate where their in-group is most common, even with civil rights legislation discouraging it. Or do you think Chinatown is a statist conspiracy? Then again your flag says you think private property is theft, so I have no trouble believing that you've cajoled yourself into declaring eviction theft as well.


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>They do though. Even without gibs, introducing niggers has a cost. Diverse neighborhoods kill property values. Residents have to pay more for security-related due to the increased crime rate. Because the trust level decreases, people are less likely to turn to one another for support, and quality of life decreases. These are real costs that people would strive to minimize, and they would do so by refusing to sell or rent to niggers, which is why ancap wouldn't be diverse, but a collection of ethnically homogeneous gated communities. I'll raise your Hoppe quote with a couple of my own.

Look I'm not arguing with you, I totally agree with all of that, but just as you describe, the market will solve those issues by itself, so the only people who are going to see a loss are either the niggers themselves or those who (at their own risk) trust the niggers and take responsibility for them, which will likely not be many people.

The losses are all privatized, since no one wants to lose any of their own money, they will unwittingly do as Hoppe says and physically remove all troublemakers.



>your flag says you think private property is theft


The defining principle of mutualism as opposed to ancapism is that we view property as emerging from the ownership of one's labour exclusively, as opposed to being a convenient way to solve disputes.

We would say, for example, that you can own a house or a car, but not land rights or mineral rights since you did not create the land or the minerals.

>Conveniently behind a paywall, and the data I've seen suggests otherwise.

Convenient for you. It works for me.

Either way, there's this company called Alphabet which has a product you may have heard of. It's called google. It's really neat, you go to Google.com and type in the little search bar: 'racial breakdown of stem graduates in the US'. Click on search. It'll take you to a page where you can see what a bunch of statisticians have to say on the subject, for free. Here's one result I got:


> the data I've seen suggests otherwise

<REEEEEE you didn't provide sources

<*doesn't provide sources himself*

This is how /pol/ argues. You make low effort shitposts, provide no sources and duck and weave under any argument that comes your way, but demand nothing less than complete intellectual honesty from your opponents.

>Averages and modes, anon. Your outliers don't change them.

I don't want average. I can't work with average. I need outliers.

>Didn't say anything about the state, sweetheart.

>Never said force either, dipshit

>the state isn't going anywhere anytime soon

>Until it does, it Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


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>The losses are all privatized, since no one wants to lose any of their own money, they will unwittingly do as Hoppe says and physically remove all troublemakers.

Except for the time being, they aren't privatized, state efforts are subsidized. "It will all be better in ancap" isn't really a solution to the immediate and pressing concerns that niggers visit upon us. Therefore, until ancap is within reach, it only makes sense to pursue a racialist policy in the state as it exists now. This provides the dual effect of making communities safer for our in-group, while simultaneously robbing our enemies of their welfare vote factory. Further, as it is far easier to convince people to act on the tribalism already within them than it is to sit them down for a lecture about the business cycle, investing effort into pursuing an ethnonationalist policy will provide far greater returns than shilling for total privatization. This has the added benefit of making the population more open to libertarian ideals in the future, as whites are far more inclined towards libertarian ideals than any other group.


>but not land rights or mineral rights since you did not create the land or the minerals

So property is theft then.

>This is how /pol/ argues

I'm not much interested in argumentation with you , I reserve that for those who have a snowball's chance in hell of being convinced. Autistic Proudhonites who think the world would fall to pieces if Abdul wasn't there to clean up the lab hardly qualify. Your data have yet to provide any meaningful contradiction to what I know is correct (the second link you posted only looks at trends within the population of niggers already in school, rather looking the nigger population as a whole and comparing across populations, rather than within them. As such, it is only useful to prove the one thing I wasn't contradicting—smart niggers exist, and of those niggers that are smart their preferences aren't complete judging differPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



There are many ways of minimizing the damaging effects of state disgenics which do not require the extreme amounts of violence against blacks state-enforced segregation necessitates. You are advocating for a drastic expansion of state power in order to solve a problem that you have refused to provide any proof exists.

>of those niggers that are smart their preferences aren't complete judging different from whites

Care to rephrase that in a way us non-schizos can understand? Are you trying to say smart blacks are still worse than smart whites because… reasons?

>diversity is our strength

Competent people are good at their job.

Some blacks are competent.

If I discriminate on the basis of race I'm missing out on competent blacks.

This is inefficient.

Wanting to associate with competent blacks =/= wanting to associate with all blacks.

Blacks are not a package deal.

Am I getting through to you?

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> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.

>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.

>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.

>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.

>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.

>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.


It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

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>or private property

If I owned the road she did this shit on I would object, as would any private road owner with a vested interest in making sure customers actually use his road. The state which currently owns that road has laws forbidding public lewdness, and while the state's claim isn't all that legitimate, insofar as it is the owner it has the right to dictate how people behave on its property, and evict those who break them. Ancapistan isn't some libertine la-la land where anyone can do whatever he wants, you know. It's a hundred million tiny monarchies, and everyone has the right to banish from his realm those who displease him, for any reason.


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>There are rich ruling class jews and there are regular jews who dindu nuffin who don't deserve to be targeted

Nobody ever made that distinction towards Irak, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, North Korea, Russia, China, Germany etc. the war propaganda targets the collective and grinds the peasants to dust. Moral never had a place in global politics, why are the jews different ? Especially after their historically incompatibility with host nations all around the globe? Don't try to drag the individual nobody citizen into a political discussion, the (shamefully) never mattered to anyone.

>America wages wars in it's own interests

Why is Israel in the golden while the US and allies like Canada, Australia, UK etc. are on the brink of civil wars? Why go after Iran in a time like this? Why divide so much military aid for Israel in light of it's own crisis? Is their some kind of military danger marching towards Israel I didn't see?

>it's left wing organizations that actually do BDS all over America

So the bullshit media is portraying Soros as the evil jew, financing the liberal deconstruction of western civilization by mass immigration (they don't talk about the last part of course). The US and all it's allies are facing economical ruin over it, and somehow nobody had the idea to contact super best friend Israel to maybe use their Jewish heritage to address the wrongdoings committed by a jew against the biggest ally of Israel ? I mean you say Israel is doomed without the US, so wouldn't they sweat bullets in the lights of recent events? Kinda on the non participation site when it comes to officially aiding the US with help against a jewish run threat…makes me kinda question the entire narrative.




I thought Anarchists weren't supposed to be spooked



Ancaps are not anarchists



sure, it's the owner. But I'm not gonna take the side of a continuous criminal, and I doubt any respectable private court would, either.

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What does /liberty/ think of Schumpeter's thoughts that Capitalism will meet its demise? Before you jump, I am not arguing that it should. Likewise, Schumpeter wasn't arguing that it should either, which I find interesting. He makes an argument of its collapse being inevitable, and the rise of crony crapitalism being inevitable, despite being sympathetic for and in fact agreeing with the effectiveness of capitalism, and not wanting capitalism to meet its demise.


Won't the more cronyist societies be out-competed in free markets?



I haven't read it, but maybe it could offer some answers on how to prevent a statist society from regressing into statism.



<Capitalism is so ruthlessly successful that it will create a class of rich asshats with too much time on their hands that will sow the seeds of cronyism that will destroy the Capitalist framework.

>Vaccines are so effective at removing a disease that there are now so few cases of a disease that people think that vaccines cause that disease.

Capitalism is a victim of its own success.



sure, they're less competitive. Problem is, a cronyist society is, by definition, not subject to a free market.

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How do we stop postmodernism and cultural marxism?

The decay of western civilization can all be attributed to these 2 godless ideologies.

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Marxism is literally a western ideology that is built of the Western canon

The writings of Marx and Engels are based on Hegel and hegels ideas were part of the Enlightenment and the German romanticism movements in Europe

If you want to Critisize Marxism don't do it in a way so nonsensical it can easily be disproven like this



1164, another great episode from the TWS




is there no objective truth in your opinion?



The Bible is true so yes there is objective truth.

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How does /liberty/ suggest the U.S. metricate?

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The U.S. didn't convert to the metric system already pretty much due to the price tag. It's a big country by raw landmass and a great deal of that is developed with infrastructure (as opposed to Russia or Canada where much of that humongous territory is barren wilderness). That's why all of the hype for metric conversion in the 1970s hit with a resounding thud; the government woke up to how much it would have cost and the time involved with actually replacing all of the speed markers on the freeway.

If your personal crusade is going to be getting America fully off Imperial British units and onto metric full-time, then focus on cost-effective plans. Devolving the matter to states and localities, posting metric signs near Imperial ones for a few years before removing the latter. Outsourcing the jobs to private contractors that have to bid low.



>Funny how capitalism keeps people from starving even when it's actually never happened

I know, right? It's… Schrödinger's capitalism!



>when it's actually never happened

Can someone take IPhone away from this braindead leftist? He's retarded.



>capitalism is a binary state

Yeah, you're retarded.



So, capitalism is when winners and losers are decided by the state? Just hand out bailouts, a little regulatory capture?

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daily reminder that lech wałęsa was a soviet agent

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Old server was killed, long live the new server!

/lrg/ are a gang of badass motherfuckers who are all about privatizing the ocean and calling homosexuals gay. While our community is mostly such right-wing libertarians, we give followers of any ideology a chance to prove themselves. (No communist ever did.) If you want quality discussions about all kinds of political and philosophical topics, join in.


Rise up


Gamers rise up 28327345839383848484848382727161636374748484949 John Wick needs your credit card


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>ancap flag





>not irc


hey the server is already fucking shoah'd so join up on riot https://matrix.to/#/+libertarianrightgeneral:matrix.org

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Does an increase in wages as a result of a lack of workers cause inflation when the workforce participation rate and the purchasing power of the average consumer is so low and illegal immigration is present?

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Take the country back from the bankers. However that is a bloody proposition and no one seems up for the task yet we let congress sends millions of sons, fathers, and brothers to fight in overseas banker wars without blinking an eye.



That was obviously a blunder. He meant this:

>increasing supply of money doesn't make each individual unit LESS valuable



You are correct anon, but when the argument's come down to smug greentexting corrections like that don't matter all that much.



this is due to globalization, not inflation



learn to read dude

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