/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

>>15693

>six 0's

Holy fuck nice

>>15644

I actually tried this for my Raspberry Pi. Particularly curious if it would run on the new one. I compiled with the older Model B, but it kept having fatal errors when compiling the tools due to low memory. Maybe it will on the new one? If only cross-compiling wasn't so confusing for me...

Is there a way to make Windows exports smaller than 22mb? This is ridiculous.

>>16506

http://www.godotengine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1936

This thread goes in-depth why the empty filesize is so big and what you can do about it to reduce that size.

>>15471

The engine was red.

>>14637

Literally zero docs, and just doesn't seem powerful.

>>17044

It's powerful.

Just undocumented power is useless power.

>>17044

It hasn't been too hard to learn. There IS documentation, it's just not good enough yet. Reduz is very aware of the lack of documentation and has made it a top priority.

If you want 'powerful' try UE4. This is plenty enough for anything I'll make.

>>17231

I am very interested, i hope to one day make a (proper retail) game on it

I even have some shitty concept art

that's how determined I am

>>17231

Yes, I have been digging around those very examples. They are really useful and are filling the gaps that are lacking in the documentation at least for me.

>>17467

Lol

I think that's pretty fine for a tutorial. It's up to you to adjust the parameters to your liking and design a better map and stuff anyway.

>>17467

I lol'd hard 0:05 - 0:12 should be a banner

1.1 has been released with some nice new features.

http://www.godotengine.org/wp/godot-1-1-out/

>no proper showcase

Why do enginefags do this? Don't they know the first thing people want to see is projects created with their work?

>>17835

I'm pretty sure it will never have more features than game maker studio, so why would you ever switch from GMS? A company has added way more shit than a few guys did.

>>17845

That is being simply presumptuous. For one, it has many features already that GMS does not and was built from the ground up with better ideas like the scene system and pythonic-like scripting. It's also free and open source with many improvements over a short time.

Have you even checked out the nodes or demos? It's easily able to compete with GMS if you'd just have a look.

>>17861

>Have you even checked out the nodes or demos? It's easily able to compete with GMS if you'd just have a look.

I didn't check it out, but is it really? I find it very hard to believe, after all game maker is probably more than 1 decade, and had a team full of programers keep making updates and adding features.

How would godot which basically has 2 programmers from what I know, compete with 1 decade of people working on game maker? Godot has things like 3D, but so does game maker. And game maker is specifically for 2D games so wouldn't it be logical to have more 2D support than godot?

I don't hate godot or anything, I want it to become the best thing ever if possible, but I just heavily heavily doubt that it can compete with 2D game maker, or 3D unity if it will become mostly a 3d engine.

checked out these and did a few tutorials

http://www.godotengine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1607

If I spawn too many 3d models it jitters/lags already. Not bad for 2d though so I might use it.

I still like UE4 better for 3d, it makes more sense to me. The main thing about UE4 is the insane amount of unnecessary shader precompilation that you can't turn off.

>>17867

oh also check out this

>>15801

If you don't want to suffer and get your hopes blown on slow Unity devs then you have to learn SOME math yourself, just follow tutorials every time you need math, I do and it works.

https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?53033-TUTORIAL-Bow-and-Arrow-Setup-Youtube-Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJkZM_yWs4&list=PLY_FQXauSxlAiaLUllZv_u8YykldnKHaE&index=1

woww wow wait a fucking second, is this really coded by BR's? it's amazing and interesting if so

>>17882

BRs?

>>17973

BRs

>>17882

I know that guy who made it. He's Argentinian.

>>18409

PPS. u got trolled XDDD

It's actually from new zealand

>>17866

Godot has been worked on in house for around that amount of time by okam studios

Only recently has it been released to the public

Most (if not all) of okam studo's games were made with it

>>18411

NZ? NZ? NZ? Gib wool or i report u

Godot is my new favorite toy as of the 1.1 release. Time for some shilling.

The tits for 2D, 2.5D as well... would go to a different engine for 3D but it's still decent for that. The learning curve has mostly to do with the tree model it uses, as well as finding all the built-in editors and what you can do with them. But it's incredibly powerful.

IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT GODOT BEFORE THE 1.1 RELEASE, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK!

Here's a video demoing the new featureset.

The shilling continues. This engine is young, so it's not great yet for first time devs, but it has a lot of potential -- quite a lot of power packed into that one little executable.

Vid list of games and demos made with Godot: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9i2bb2OUKCACptlUgO20di75FUAVfCn7

Embed video shows an Okam Studios game currently in development which uses Godot. They also have a game out being published by SquareEnix.

Here's a great overview of the engine in video form. It's intended for current developers, not very useful for newbies. Again, without experience, would say stay away from Godot (for now -- 1.2 is being worked on atm, as are the docs), but if you've done some gamedev before, and want to work in 2D, it'd be a shame not to consider it.

If you've worked in a simple point and click engine GameMaker before, but like me, are a little annoyed at how GM makes too many sacrifices toward user friendliness over an efficient workflow, especially when you're scripting -- keeping those fucking scripts straight, like which object is firing which script, is kinda maddening, as are the really weak, wonky OO features of GMScript -- this might be your thing. Once you get your head around it, the interface and overall design is actually really logical. So like people are saying, bit of a learning curve to understand what the fuck is going on, but once you do, you can develop quite rapidly.

Annnd last, some tutorials.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS9MbmO_ssyAXRl-_ktrebQBFxjSQt7UX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU6MqaodFyw&list=PLPI26-KXCXpBtZGRJizz0cvU88nXB-G14

You can also do a LOT with the examples, especially with the new ones released after 1.1. Just explore around a bit: http://151.236.22.217/godot_demos-1.1stable.zip

You can develop on just about any OS and export the project to almost any OS. Also has pretty much no dependencies! http://www.godotengine.org/wp/download/

My ulterior motive: the more people who try it out, the more demand there will be for documentation and development.

Well shit, you guys really made me think a bit. I am a game maker user for about 6 months. So while I don't know it fully, I am still pretty comfortable with how game maker and it's scripting language works, I know some hate it but it's not that limited.

HOWEVER these videos of godot, especially >>18463 really make me consider wanting to try and making a simple game in it just to see how it works. What if it turns our better than game maker?

I saw that it has 2D shadows, and polygon pathfinding. AND automatic isometric view, now that is interesting. Because it would be pretty hard for me to make 2D shadows and polygon pathfinding in game maker, even isometric is a bit tricky. Also the filters, I cannot figure out shaders but I see that go dot has some built in shaders, I assume you can customize them a bit? This is very tempting.

Obviously it's very hard for me to move out of my comfort zone and abandon a program that I used for half a year. I mean, the one thing that I like in game engines is that they take away most of the math from me, this is what I like. Game maker has functions for calculating angle differences, it has the A* pathfinding (which sadly I can't develop it on my own from scratch), it has functions for calculating distances from the bounding box of the sprite, functions for calculating where a position in XY would be if you would add X numbers. And just things that make me not worry about math. And then there are all sorts of real time stretching and modifying of images in game maker, maybe those require complicated coding in godot.

And how about scaling? I am not good with screen scalling, in game maker I just thick an option to scale the screen to different resolution, I don't know how hard is in godot. If godot doesn't have this it's a deal breaker for me. Believe me guys that I really like how godot looks, open source, free, even android exporting for free and all that, that's awesome. The shaders and shadows, pathfinding, very cool. But if it can't take away medium-complicated math and simplify it for me then I will have to stick with game maker.

Another thing is steam, I want to release my game on steam too maybe in a few years in the future, so I don't know if I could do that with godot since I probably wouldn't know how to integrate the steam api into it, which I heard is pretty easy in game maker. Also, does godot even have a map editor, like the room in game maker? Can you have different rooms in godot?

But damn for making me rethink my comfort zone...

>>18466

Also game maker has a great particle system, and the surfaces. So I don't know...

>>18466

Yeah, it has a built-in shader language, as well as a visual editor (see pic).

It's pretty good with abstracting you from the math and letting you create. Rather than using a programming language, it uses its own script language with Python-like syntax. The reason for this is because the scripting language can be very targeted. Pretty much all the functions you're talking about are in Godot. There's nothing you have to do that's too complicated. It's a lot like GM in this respect.

Screen scaling is handled pretty well overall. Haven't done much in terms of pushing to Android and the like, but it's taken into serious consideration. It was written from the ground up to be highly portable (unlike GM). If you watch that engine overview vid, I believe he mentions the scaling issue.

Steam API is not yet integrated, but you can insert C++ code for anything along those lines and recompile, exposing the necessary functions to GDScript. It's not trivial but it's not that difficult, either. Within a few years, also, someone will undoubtedly do it before you, and will share the code.

Godot does have a map editor -- you can define a tileset and the various properties of each tile, then place them. You can of course have different rooms, but they're called Scenes instead. Functionally they're fairly similar to rooms in GM, except that scenes contain nodes (objects) and can themselves have their own properties. Confusing at first but it makes more sense after a bit.

Definitely worth checking out. There is no installation -- the EXE you download is the editor, which you can run from anywhere -- and then just load up some of the example files.

>>18468

Sounds good but then there are other things.

In game maker I could make a 640x360 room, I would place two objects and I would increase their X by 4 every step. When I resize the whole thing into 1920x1080 it still increases by the same amount that 4 pixels would be in 640x360, but in a much higher resolution. So I wonder if it's the same in godot, if I could do pixel perfect code at different resolutions without me doing extra work. I can also place GUI objects at certain positions in low resolutions and they would maintain their aspect when rescaled automatically by game maker at a higher resolution.

Game maker has a built in shader language too from what I know, but what I want is already made shaders that just let me apply them and trick them, without coding them myself in that shader language. You know, I don't want to write shaders from scratch.

I would probably be not able to integrate the steam api myself if no one does it in 2 or 4 years. If I would be able to do that kind of programming I wouldn't use engines in the first place. Is there an automated "step" feature in godot? Or do I have to write how the game works from scratch? Is saving files (save games) easy? Does it even have features to deactivate objects that game maker has? Because it's very useful for building a pause menu.

And does it really have those angle, directions, and all sort of distance functions etc. implemented? How about manipulating sprites? Could you please tell me before I try my hand at this thing? Also I never worked with C++, I learned python a year ago but I forgot most of it.

>>18469

I forgot another important question to ask, how is the performance in comparison to GM:S? We are talking about a lot of objects with path finding, particles (does it even have particles?), physics?

So far, it doesn't look too powerful simply because there's not enough documentation or showcases for it to make a name for itself, but it obviously has a lot of potential. When I'm done with my current native C++ project, I'll probably toy around in Godot and see how much more efficient it is.

>>15644

Only came to this thread to make sure someone made that joke.

how does this compare to polycode

>>15801

weird. Do they provide something equivalent to glm::rotate() for vectors, quats, and matrices? If not it's probably not worth your time.

>>19119

You mean, if not, the math is trivial, already available and you can easily write the functions yourself. We're talking 3-10 lines each.

That said, yeah, it's built in, and that guy is retarded.

See:

https://github.com/okamstudio/godot/wiki/class_transform

Yes, it's a little more like a real programming language in how it handles it. But, really, IMO, you shouldn't be even thinking about touching 3D if you are not comfortable with what is in the end not very complicated math.

If you want to create a 3D "game" that you end up ditching after 6 months, you can always give Unity a shot.

>>19125

No, I agree it's not hard. But if I'm going to bother using someone's 3D "game engine" then I expect good basic math utility functions to be there and be decently optimized, SSE2 versions, etc. Otherwise, why bother? Better stuff is out there if they can't get the basics right why would I use it? GLM is out there (not great, but easy), Sony's open source math library is good and pretty fast, OpenFrameworks exists if I want OO retardation. The only thing Godot or Polycode or whatever bring to the table is hopefully, a decent UI and scripting interface.

It looks like an interesting engine, but damn it all, the documentation just isn't there.

Same for Polycode, I'm afraid.

>>15801

>you have to do complex vector math and be a mathematical genius just to do simple rotation in 3d

You need to be a genius to multiply by matrix?

>>17882

It is developed by an Argentinian dude with polish ascendance. Not really a huehue...

>>19112

it actually works

>>14637

Why? just use unity or Unreal

>>19135

Just saiyan, it is there.

The docs are weak in many places. Sadly it is not yet an open Wiki for the docs or they would be done already.

>>19175

Neither is very good for 2D.

Godot shines with 2D. If you want 3D, use one of those. If you are planning on 2D, try Godot and make life a little easier.

How can I learn to make things in 3d space without the documentation? Is it possible to rifle through the raw class list?

>>19200

Why shouldn't I use godot for 3d? 2d is great because it has documentation. 3d doesn't yet

>>15801

>3D rotation

>complex

gb2 GM

>>19730

Godot's 2d API is supposed to be similar to the 3d API so it shouldn't be too hard to learn to use it; from the website "Dedicated 2D and 3D physics engines, which use the same API"

I've been playing around with the engine for 3 days now. Some things are a bit unintuitive but the scene system is really good once you get used to it.

The engine feels solid, but has room for improvement (for example checking for collision at arbitrary points is a bit of a hassle now). The gui needs work though, I don't think there is a way to move nodes up and down the hierarchy, which is a big miss if you want to reorganise your entities. (or maybe there is a way and I'm just retarded). The expandable menus are all expanded by default and reexpand with every change you make of a field, which really clutters the ui up. I also don't really understand why there needs to be a resources tab as well as a filesystem tab and why the latter is placed where it is.

>>19751

I tried finding documentation on quaternions or rotation matrices and it seems the Internet is devoid of them.

Could you please enlighten me on how rotate in 3D?

>>19811

You usually buy a book on 3D math for this. I'm holding "Mathematics for 3D Game Programming and Computer Graphics (3rd edition)" by Eric Lengyel in my hands right now. It's rather dense, but it explains WHY formulas work and how we got to them, and by skimming you can usually infer the right formulas for the job.

Additionally, google gave me this within 5 minutes:

//axis is a unit vector
local_rotation.w  = cosf( fAngle/2)
local_rotation.x = axis.x * sinf( fAngle/2 )
local_rotation.y = axis.y * sinf( fAngle/2 )
local_rotation.z = axis.z * sinf( fAngle/2 )

total = local_rotation * total  //multiplication order matters on this line

"Total" is the final quaternion of the object. In Unity this would be transform.rotation I think. I don't use Godot so no idea how it works here.

But seriously, this is first year college stuff for any game programming course worth your money. Not advanced theoretical mathematics.

>>19814

>any game programming course worth your money

>game programming course

>money

I know a guy who went into one of those and they only learned 3D modelling with proprietary software and Unity.

>>19816

Which is why I said ones worth your money. He went one of the shit ones, which are the majority.

>programming course

>3D modelling

That's not a programming course.

>>19816

I wouldn't take a game programming course, but I *would* take a course on using 3D modeling software.

>>19751

not everyone is a fan of things like quartinions and normalizing along grav vectors and such

Im new to coding and godot's documentation for 3d is super limited.

http://www.godotengine.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1564

When I download the example project I get error(36,18): Expected identifier for member variable name.

Is there inverse kinematics for 3d? The documentation shows it for 3d but no word on 3d.

>>20911

>godot

>documentation

Pick one

>>20924

>make great engine

>don't tell people how to use it

>work is pointless

>engine doomed to die

>>20924

>>19916

I was thinking to make a try but thanks to point this.

I have a rule: "If it is not documented, it does not exist". I hate spending hours trying to reverse engine an API or framework because of the lack of documentation.

>>20972

>it took me awhile to figure out how to do composition and inheritance

What do you mean by this?

>>21146

Composition and inheritance in the object-oriented programming sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_(object-oriented_programming)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_composition

They're fundamentals that you'd look at in your first hour with a new language, but for reasons I no longer remember, it took me a lot longer to get a hang of.

>>20972

damn son, this looks amazing

>>18463

>shilling for a gratis and libre product

Holy shit you're retarded

>>21146

If you need to ask that then you shouldn't be posting here

>>21192

tfw I had to look composition up despite having programmed for many years already.

>>21973

Beginner friendly != For idiots.

>>22102

if its not hard its not good kiddo

Turned out it's quite usable. Too bad their website is a mess and freezes firefox, at least documentation is available in github™.

Godot wiki's tutorials on vector and matrix math are pure gold.

does the continuous collision detection option even work? shit just goes through everything at moderate speeds no matter what collision detection I use

What is a good way to create split screen in 2D? I tried to put this kind of hierarchy but don't know how to display same contents in both cameras.

Node2D

| - Sprite

| - Control1 - Viewport - Camera2D

| - Control2 - Viewport - Camera2D

>>22472

Just write a script capable of setting the viewport to Camera1, rendering to framebuffer, then setting the viewport to Camera2, rendering to another framebuffer and then render both to a single framebuffer.

Computationally expensive, but that's the joy of split screen.

>>22481

thanks

>All these faggots actually trashing Godot because it's FOSS, saying to use Unity or Unreal

>All these faggots who think that Argentina is part of Brazil

I don't much like using Godot personally, because I like my low-level, but come on, you come off as either shills or lazy easily-marketed faggots when you say "What? Why would I use something that is actually free and has no licensing restrictions when it isn't advertised to me with a million-dollar marketing campaign?"

I've got nothing against UE or Unity, either, but to act like real free software has no merits because proprietary software exists is retarded. We'd all be using Internet Explorer and Opera if that argument actually had real merit. Break out of your baby duck syndrome and actually give something new a try. Worst case scenario, you go back to what you already know and you spent some time trying something new out.

>>22472

>>22481

I don't know exactly how it would be done in Godot, but in OpenGL you can specify a viewport as part of a framebuffer, so you could skip the last rendering step. Once you have that done, you'll be about as optimized as you can for split screen, since you'll always need to do that rendering twice anyway.

Check Godot's "viewport" class. There should be a way to have two viewports for the same framebuffer. https://github.com/okamstudio/godot/wiki/class_viewport#set_rect

GODOT 2.0 ALPHA just released in the last couple of days.

http://www.godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine/documents

Documentation is coming along decently well, too.

Anyone have any decent links for explaining how the hierarchy system in Godot works? I think that's the most confusing part of it. Once you get your head around it, it's pretty awwright though.

>>22548

wow that new website is really shitty. It's like they replaced the whole thing with some wiki archive, makes it look incredibly cheap and amateur.

Alright i have to get this off my chest and i know it is stupid since i've only used gml but.

WTF is with the GDScript? it looks fucking retarded. yes i'm complaining on how it looks

Where are the semicolons?

What's withe the white space?

And where the fuck are the curly brackets?

is there anyway to make the transition from Game Maker to Godot easier?

>>22633

>inb4 why transition

i've started using linux. so game maker is in the past

>>22633

GDScript is almost exactly like Python.

I don't much like Python, but the answer to all your questions about GDScript are the same in Python.

https://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/66755/do-python-programmers-find-the-whitespace-issue-inconvenient

I don't really like Python, just pointing out that none of your complaints are exclusive to GDScript. The whitespace thing in Python is polarizing in itself. I don't find it much an issue when you get used to it, though it is pretty annoying to have a language that renders editor auto-indent impossible (because the end of an indent indicates the end of a block).

My biggest issue with Python was the clusterfuck retarded transition between Python 2 and Python 3.

Python 3 is fine. The transition from Python 2 to Python 3 was a fucking nightmare for anybody working with Python, and it was caused by the original developers fucking the Python specification in the first place in a way that they had to break Backwards Compatibility just to update the laguage.

>>22548

the documentation is really shaping up!

I'm finally starting to understand this engine...

Pretty cool

>>17824

because we're autists who can't into art or socialise with artists :^)

Heeeeeeeey~

Could Godot support the sort of set up Torment: Tides of Brian Fargo's Income will have?

You know, where environment is prerendered, but 3D lighting interacts with it through simplified 3D objects "underneath". Or something like that, can't find the bit that explained it right now.

Could you do that with everything? PCs, monsters etc.?

>>23566

>Heeeeeeeey~

>>>/autisticchildren/

tl;dr

How does modding the engine itself look like? Is there any help/documentation for it?

I have an /idea/ for a dev tool.

>>24234

On the forums I saw a guy make some tool that could either (a) randomly generate quake style maps or (b) turn simple diagrams into 3d maps in editor, I can't quite remember; in any case, the tools are there.

>>24520

They've got a wiki, but the rest will be learning and tinkering in your own time I believe.

>>15644

heh

>>24550

>randomly generate quake style maps

Do you have a link? That sounds cool as fuck.

2.0 beta released.

complete linux scrub here

how do i run the .64 file? I try to run it as executable but nothing happens, not even an error message.

>>25050

What are you referring to? Also, what distro are you on?

>>23807

bump, interested in this as well

>>25050

Never mind I figured out what you were talking about.

Assuming it's in your Downloads folder...

Open terminal

cd ~/Downloads

chmod +x Godot_v2.0_beta_20160126_x11.64

./Godot_v2.0_beta_20160126_x11.64

You might also be able to right click it and turn on the "executable" option depending on what DE (desktop environment) you're using.

Since you're a scrub let me explain what we did.

cd ~/Downloads

cd = Change Directories (directories are what Windows calls folders)

~ is a short cut for /home/$USER ($USER is an eviroment variable that stores the current user's name. Try "echo $USER" in the terminal)

So that part says "Change from the current directory to my Downloads folder"

chmod +x

chmod means "change mode". Without going to far into file permissions, just know that each file has three permissions by default. Read Write and Execute.

Read allows you to view the contents of the file

Write allows you to change the contents of the file

Execute tells Linux to run this file as code.

>>25060

So, the tutorials I'm following didn't mention that you need to create a node2d object and everything falls under that.

>>25061

>what distro are you on?

*tips operating system*

Fedora

>>25063

After compiling the files from github, the resulting seems to run just fine. But thanks anyways.

>>25067

Great!

I'm writing a PKGBUILD for the AUR so if anyone needs help with compiling let me know.

>>25113

Show us what you have so far!

How do i change a label's font from code?

.set("custom_fonts/font","font.fnt") only returns a unspecified error and the default font is used instead.

>>25232

figured it out myself, the path should be "res://font.fnt".

silly me.

>>25254

But that's not really humorous at all... GIF format does not imply animation

Should I use 2.0 RC or 1.1 Stable? about to start using this thing.

>>25507

>and c++

godot can use that too

>>25507

>being afraid of snakes

>>25495

I'm using 1.1 stable because I ran into quite a few bugs with 2.0. YMMV

2.0 IS OUT

It's breddy Good

I like this, but why the fuck did they take down the forums?

Pretty much every problem I've had has a forum post, but I can't read them because they don't exist anymore. Atrocious, considering their documentation is still pretty lacking in some areas.

So, how DO I export a Windows executable without the Godot console?

>>25638

Found it.

Disable debugging in the Export Project dialog, when you're choosing where to save the .exe.

Sweet.

How in the goddamned fuck do I erase a tile in the 3D gridmap?

Godot seems to be getting better but the editor & documentation still feel very lacking in terms of polish.

Also I don't really like GDScript at all.

The 3D engine is still pretty mediocre, but being able to animate variables and function calls with keyframes is making me hard. Are there any good plug-ins yet?

>>25887

>Are there any good plug-ins yet?

Probably not, as the plug-in APIs are WIP:

http://www.godotengine.org/article/plugins

>>25803

yes

At least godot lives up to its name. I've been waiting for them to implement actually useful features since version 1.

>>25933

Such as?

>>25967

There seems to be a distinct lack of control with the 3d renderer. Being able to offset the depth buffer or more explicitly sort objects comes in very handy, such as when rendering decals. I've only ever seen 1 tutorial which deals with this, and they go with the "stick a mesh close to a wall" approach which doesn't work properly at a distance due to z-fighting.

>>25887

https://github.com/Calinou/awesome-godot

If you're doing 2D games, this plugin is pretty invaluable, considering how FUCKING retarded the tilemap system in Godot is.

https://github.com/MrGreenTea/GodotTiledImporter

I was going to use pygame because I'm an idiot. This has changed my life.