/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

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i guess i basically should have expected this kind of reaction. so much for "8chan isnt gamergate"

for all the "le sjws are trying to stop me from making my games!!1one" you would think people would realize the irony here but nope

have some new animations

>>22126

You're trying to make sprite art type enemies, but they look like shittier versions of Code Geass spaghetti people. Look at these final fantasy sprites. They use half the pixels you do, and show a fuck ton more.

Redesign your sprites, don't try this anatomically correct bullshit, and trim them down to smaller squares. It'll make hit detection less retarded in the long run anyways.

And here, have a fucking newb guide that took 5 fucking seconds of googling and will keep you from recreating such monstrosities in the future.

http://makegames.tumblr.com/post/42648699708/pixel-art-tutorial

>>22126

These sprites look awful.

>1px Limbs

>Flat colors

>Mixels

It's also interesting how you jumped straight to "Muh gamergate"

Learn to take criticism or fuck off

>>22087

>>22088

>>22126

You have zero understanding of the style or limitations of pixel art, you can't draw for shit and are ineptly using the style to get away with noodle limbs and blobs, the theme of your game comes across as an edgy 13 year old Californian stoner's "fuck tha police xD" fantasy at best, or an edgy 21 year old Californian tumblrina's "fuck the patriarchy UvU" fantasy at worst, you immediately got defensive when people started criticizing you, brought gamergate into the discussion, and compared making fun of your worthless ass to "stopping you" from doing anything.

Maybe you should consider drinking the bleach you use to lighten your hair.

>>22362

I said:

>Reminds me of the days of early graphics, EGA, CGA, etc

Not "It's exactly like EGA!" smh

>> thinks modern art isn't for pretentious retards, and going to museums makes you cultured

Going to museums doesn't make you cultured. But hating all modern art on principle sure as fuck makes you a pretentious little philistine.

>the merit of art is based on the degree of skill and craftsmanship it took to make it.

That's not a settled question. What makes art "art" is one of the longest-debated questions in humanity's existence. It's not settled by a smug amateurgamedev on 8chan in 2015. For example, there's modern art that takes a ridiculous amount of time and skill to make, but just isn't that good. In my opinion (and I actually acknowledge it as my opinion, not as some sort of god-given truth) it has to do with the end product, and absolutely nothing to do with the amount of skill required to make it. Nothing at all. You're the guy who's impressed by those extreme metal guitar solos that use a million notes even though it sounds like dogshit, aren't you?

>I've never seen someone outside of deviantart get this entitled and upset that people don't like their halfassed art and worthless, unoriginal ideas.

Believe it or not, I'm not OP. I think that guy's long gone by now, probably crying into his scrambled eggs somewhere. I just think people like you who assume they have a monopoly on the final master-sword knowledge of aesthetics, truth and the nature of being should be confronted.

Pic related, this ought to really rustle your jimbos: I think this is better than many paintings by the old masters, though making it took all of a few moments (if not the conception of it).

>>22373

>When future archaeologists find the ruins of an art museum, they will know that Rembrandt was art.

>They will look at that shit and think it's from the museum's bathroom.

Interesting that you're able to see the future. Must come in handy! However, I have to express a little doubt. You see, friend, it's far more likely, due to all the references to Fountain in the world, and its level of impact on human understanding and culture when it was originally created, that it would just as readily be recognized as art. (That's not to say it has more inherent value. And yes, if the two were found outside of all other contexts, the Rembrant would more easily be recognized as art, obviously. That doesn't say anything about the objective nature of art, even if you'd like to equate them and once again settle an age-old question in one masterful stroke, like every other pub-stool philosopher.)

I don't have an art degree (I do have a computer science degree, though) and I don't particularly admire postmodern philosophy, though I think there are some important concepts there, such as Barthes' "Death of the Author." Much more a fan of the existentialist line ... Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Camus. Husserl's work in phenomenology was also an important development, and pretty fucking relevant to the topic at hand. But for the entire span of your life, you'll never even read a Wikipedia article on phenomenology or Husserl, because you're a smug, superior little twit who thinks that as a result of graduating with a fucking STEM degree, he knows everything about subjects people have spent their entire lives considering, even though he's about as well-read as the user manual for E.T. on Atari.

>>22088

How do you determine size for your sprites?

>>22386

It's not the art style, it's the quality, or lack thereof. Pic related is how you do noodle limbs right.

>>22409

>Chan more, 420 blaze it, #yolo, topkek

Back to Tumblr, faggot.

>It is extremely unlikely you will ever produce anything remotely close to valuable. Give up now before you bother with the effort of the process of lifetime failure

Spoken like the loser you are.

>why not kill yourself?

Goes double for you.

>>22410

It's clearly a style. It's just one you don't care for. Rather than state an opinion ("I think your shit sucks") you're trying to say it's literally and objectively bad, Ms. Rand.

You don't get to say that without being mercilessly ridiculed for being a manchild with the inability to form complex thoughts. Yes, yes, and light also moves through the aether...

>Back to Tumblr, faggot.

4chins 2004-2006. I got out when it turned to dogshit. The going back, regardless of where that is, must be done by you. Allow me to recommend Gaia Online, a community where you may design your very own personal avatar.

I maintain: you will never produce anything of worth. I already have.

Pic related, it's the newest character for my latest video game, the 9th in the series. DO NOT STEAL

>>22374

First of all, I hope you'll forgive my violent outburst.

Second of all, let me address your opinion that "death of the author" is an important concept.

Please explain to me how the removal of context makes something more intellectually stimulating. This postmodern trend does nothing but add "or is it??!" to every sentence and unnecessarily elongates discussions of creative works into circular patterns that can never be resolved. If I accept that the author was attempting to get an idea across then we can examine their life and values and gain insight into why a work is the way it is. We can discover the truth of its intent.

...but art classes need content all semester long. If you can reach a definitive description of a work of art taking into account what the author says their intent was, its difficult for a lesser professor to think of curricula to fill the time they're being paid for. If you can get the students to accept that there will never be any concrete definition or context backing up a work's inception, then you can have those university students arguing indefinitely.

No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.

The result is what you see in the OP here. Yes, it's tacitly aping the style of certain older games, but it is wildly inconsistent. The most glaring problem being mixels, or the use of multiple sizes of block to form pixel art. This gives the image a sense of haphazardness that can work to achieve certain emotional reactions, but on the whole is generally distracting and confounds the eye rather than conveying information about the characters quickly, as is necessary for the proper design of a video game wherein you want players to be aware of what's going on. More of this inconsistency can be seen in the animations, which are amatuerishly done and have no accounting for the 12 facets of animation which have been established thoroughly through study of motion in the real world. There is no sense of weight, no anticipation, no reaction, and the inconsistent pixel sizes end up making it look like an incoherent, spastic mess.

And the reaction we got for disliking it? "You evil nazi goobergrapes just DON'T UNDERSTAND MY ART ;-;"

Reactions like that are the direct result of ideologies like death of the author. But if it's such an important idea, okay, here we go: The images in the OP illustrate the disgusting nature of protesters and their chaotic, inconsistent lifestyles, as conveyed by mixed pixel size and jerky animation.

Now you and I both know that isn't true. We know from the context of this thread and its title that he wishes to raise awareness of police brutality in the hopes of having a meaningful theme for his art/game. Your "Death of the Author" mindset, though, means that what he wants doesn't matter. If he learned more about animation and had a consistent style he could create art that we might be able to identify with more easily as human beings, but he doesn't have to in your worldview. He can just do whatever and some people will interpret thing s the way he wants while others won't.

The sticking point here is that you seem to think we need to be told what is and is not art, while simultaneously insisting that art can be anything. Yes, they would recognize Fountain as a work of art from records. From records. Because even millenia in the future, you would only think that was a work of art because someone TOLD YOU it was art.

Humans have been making art forever. We instinctively know what it is, and we can tell when it's off kilter. The body of knowledge and experience we have built up over the millenia into the fundamentals of art were hard-won through trial and error by our ancestors, and postmodern art philosophies spit allover their struggles and discoveries in the name of making money. Why honor their memory and study technique when you can profit from a cheap piece of manufacturing that you can sell for millions when you put an "Art!" sticker on it.

These ideologies are killing our society.

>>22126

I am glad this trend of cutting edge retro indie pixel art is still going strong. It's right on the pulse of time and I think it captures the attitude of developers today perfectly.

>simple silhouettes that don't strain the eye

>abstract animations (I really like your use of the rotate tool)

>carefully picked bleak palettes with lots of colors, more colors allows for more fidelity

>higher resolutions so you don't need to use your imagination to read a sprite, old games had this problem a lot

All of you fags giving OP shit can't see the work that he put into it. Pixel art has evolved so much in the last 20 years, you fucking philistines.

>>22469

Ohhh, good point! I do recall hearing that at some point, but didn't remember it. Hilarious. Bet he loved that. It still doesn't say anything about the fundamental nature of what is or isn't art, though.

>>22479

The idea of the death of the author isn't that the intent is unimportant. Obviously it's interesting, it adds richness to the work, etc. It just means that the author's intent has no bearing on the actual meaning of a thing. I can say, "Poop farts soggy waffles" means "I love you," but that doesn't say anything substantial about the meaning of the words, and indeed, most people would disagree with me that the phrase means this. (Rightly so, I think.) Language is an agreement.

You could say what is or is not art is an agreement, and roughly, that's true. But it's not the end of it, either.

It's not merely academics keeping themselves working. That might have something to do with it, but you can't simply step backward in time and pretend all the philosophical and scientific advancements of the last century didn't happen.

You can use your set of criteria to rate OP's work. And you should. Most people agree with those criteria, and are probably going to say, "I don't like this." But that's all you can say. According to a set of criteria, it is not of high quality. Now those may be criteria that are near universal... (Though they aren't still.) But that still says nothing fundamental about the nature of what is good or bad. There is nothing wrong with not having a fundamental good or bad, either. Such things are value judgments, and only have meaning by being affirmed rather than proven logically.

As for OP creating something we can identify with, does it matter? If we don't like it, we don't like it. Maybe someone else will. Why do you need to like it? I don't get it. Let it be shit in your eyes, but not universal shit. Just... mostly something that is agreed on as shit.

As far as Fountain being a work of art or not, that "feeling" you talk about when something is off-kilter... I get a LOT of pleasure from Fountain, personally. It's a big fuck you to elitist prigs everywhere. A big fuck you to the art world as a whole. I like off-kilter. Why is your aesthetic of not enjoying that which is off-kilter somehow superior to mine? Does it bother you that I genuinely like noise music, too?

It's not saying "it's just as good" or "all things are equal" or "all things deserve our respect." All of those things are deeply untrue. But grow a backbone. Stand up for yourself and your opinion. Rather than feeling like you need to fall back on some universal. Say you don't like something because of the mixels, the jerky animation, the colors, the style. That is SO much more useful and descriptive than saying something is objectively shit. One is intelligent, shows effort, and is useful for others who also want to evaluate. The other is childish bitching and school marm moralfaggotry.

That ideology is killing our society.

>>22483

That crap is not retro. Not only it's a pretentious garbage that misses the whole essence of "retro", it also looks like fucking crap.

>>22483

>implying that is modern pixel art

Just eat shit.

post your face when OP trolled the shit out of /agdg/ to make them sperg out about "muh quality in pixel art" before showing them a completed game that sold loads of copies and was critically aclaimed.

I bet half u faggots had never even heard of riot simulator.

well plaid OP, well plaid.

>>22504

>>22505

Man, when I wrote it I thought I was laying it on too thick. I know it's not high quality humor, but come on dude.

For the record, I got sick of trying to suggest people on this board and /v/ how to improve their pixel art, only for the advice to go ignored. It's more fun to shitpost about why art is bad than to advise the unwilling. You can post as many screencaps of SNK art as you want, you're getting nowhere.

>>22511

I hate to be the baron of bad news, but games like OP's are a diamond dozen.

>>22531

Are you seriously suggesting that he was shitposting?

Posts like that are the lifeblood of chans. Jesus Christ ... get a fucking grip, man.

You probably only make serious posts, right? And everyone who doesn't do the same on "your" board is a troll, trying to b8, or shitposting? Good God, is all mirth and enjoyment dead in your hollow body?

Let's see an example:

>I really like your use of the rotate tool

You somehow, beyond all possible reason, took this as non-ironic (?!?!), and now because you didn't get the joke and instead, hilariously, got angry about it, you're calling it shitposting. To save face on the internet.

Spoiler: You don't belong here!

>>22515

> It's more fun to shitpost about why art is bad than to advise the unwilling.

Don't fall into the trap of believing these shitheels know what they're talking about. It was a top-tier post and you should feel good about it, not be shamed into explaining yourself to people whose hearts died a decade ago.

>>22449

>Pic related, it's the newest character for my latest video game, the 9th in the series. DO NOT STEAL

Oh yeah? Well guess what, I've already got a registered copyright for that design, so YOU'RE stealing from ME.

>>22128

>people signaling an opinion I don't like are criminals

Godspeed, Captain Autism.

>>22690

>>people signaling an opinion I don't like are criminals

>Godspeed, Captain Autism.

how the fuck did you manage to perceive any kind of serious, legitimate opinion out of that mess.

>>22759

Ahhhhh, sorry about that, buddy. Hegel gave it the voice (if not the name) and largely gets the credit.

You can fuck mixels or modern art all you want but it proves nothing about the fundamental nature of what is good and bad. It's an aesthetic judgment. Aesthetic morality is basically the only morality possible without first positing something metaphysical.

>>22752

Not even sure if this post is supposed to be ironic, but it's hilarious either way. If so, well done, mate. If not, I salute you for preaching the sole message of truth on this bastion of liberty, #gamergate legion proletariat communist brother in arms for fascism and purity!

>>22750

I'll give you benefit of the doubt and won't set my mind on you really being >25yo fedora tipping manchild. I can take it as you're acting normal for your age, provided it's well under 18.

>>22787

>I'll give you benefit of the doubt and won't set my mind on you really being >25yo fedora tipping manchild. I can take it as you're acting normal for your age, provided it's well under 18.

>wow ur so immature

Hey. Look. I may be euphoric, but not because of any phony God's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.