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 No.298

why are you celebrating tolkenism and tolkien based fantasy

instead of wishing it to end and die

we need to revive the fantasy genre

 No.299

>>298

what?


 No.303

>we need to revive the fantasy genre.

I don't see how hating Tolkien is going to help you do that.

Regardless, the legendarium functions more like a body of myth than a fantasy world.


 No.311

>>298

Because there's virtually no Tolkien-based fantasy. So few people have read the books that everything they claim is Tolkien-based is actually derived solely from D&D.


 No.313

This thread is bad and you should feel bad.


 No.315

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>>303

not hating on him i love that man works

but let him rest in peace

>legendarium functions more like a body of myth than a fantasy world.

you are right

but we need to come up with new things anon new legends new myths new worlds

>>311

how many games movies book did you find the following

orcs

dwarves

elfs

D&D it self borrow heavily from tolkien

>>313

anon i have an opinion

and you have your own


 No.317

>>315

The point is that the elves, dwarves and orcs aren't like Tolkien anymore.

Quite the contrary the biggest fantasy world after Tolkien, Pratchett's Discworld, tried to distance itself from Tolkien, which is ironic because it ended up going full circle and adopting fantasy elements Tolkien was trying to distance himself from.

Also the nature of a body of myth is that it allows for new works of art, of all types whether it be panting, literature of prose or poetry, sculpting, etc to be made based on it.

Unfortunately, Tolkien was far too late, and his work ended up absorbed into the larger pop culture instead of remaining firmly as culture and myth. So now we get shitty deviantart fanart and livejournal fanfiction instead of proper things made based on the world.


 No.324

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>>315

How often do you see dwarves in generic fantasy games/books/movies that are semetic in inspiration, instead of scottish or nordic?

What would you describe a generic fantasy orc as being like? Probably green, big and hulking, right? No, that's D&D and Warcraft - Tolkien's orcs were bow-legged, long-armed, smaller than a human, crafty, squat, sallow, slant-eyed, and fond of human meat.

Elves are all lithe archers that live in forests, right? Half of Tolkien's elves preferred caves and stone fortresses, or comfy houses. Really, the stereotype conflates Lothlorien specifically with all of elvendom. Doesn't really jive well with pics related. On top of that, they were the closest thing to divine beings that one could find, with the exception of the few Maiar that wandered Middle-Earth. Tell me, where the elves that constantly sing and dance under moon, sun, and starlight? Fuck's sake, even Hackson couldn't bother to make the elves in the LotR movies sing, when singing was constant in the books.

Yeah, the original D&D borrowed heavily from Tolkien, but even the artwork from that is nearly unrecognizable today. Really, you ended up with this chain of derivatives where Tolkien borrowed from actual mythology, D&D borrowed from Tolkien (and from other works in its later editions), Warhammer borrowed from D&D, Warcraft straight-up ripped off Warhammer because Blizzard couldn't get the IP, and then thousands and thousands of games, books, and settings ripped off everything from Tolkien on up, with the emphasis being on the most recent works (e.g. Warcraft). Eventually it devolved into a gigantic hideous circlejerk where everything looks the same. People like you then dismiss it all as "Tolkien-esque" without realizing just how generationally far-removed it is from Tolkien himself.


 No.325

>>324

Keep in mind that it is the Noldor that preferred stone fortresses. The Teleri indeed were more geared towards a woodland lifestyle.


 No.328

>>298

Tolkien was essentially trying to recreate some of the lost religion/mythos of the Celts, Scandinavians/Germans, and Anglo-Saxons (a Germanic branch). Which is funny, because he was a Catholic and you can blame the Northern Crusades for the destruction of that heritage… and so much more.


 No.329

>>317

>>328

Meant this for you.

This is why I always want to play the Germanic Pagans in CKII, and pawn the Christians and Muslims. What originally attracted me to Japan was the fact that they were never conquered by Semitic religion. Not the aesthetics of the people, or even the natural land itself.

The destruction of the druids in Albion, is especially grievous to my mind. What art and knowledge was lost?


 No.330

>>317

What about the Eldar Scrolls world?


 No.331

>>298

Fantasy in the modern world is hard.


 No.339

>>328

>you can blame the Northern Crusades for the destruction of that heritage.

Most definitely not.

In fact, what little we know of those mythologies and folk tales was written down by the Christian converts. It's thanks to the Christians we even have a record of that part of our history at all.

>>329

Druidism and Celtic paganism wasn't destroyed by Christians. The Anglo-Saxon invaders didn't convert to Christianity until after they had driven out the native Brittonic people.




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