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 No.233

/cuckquean/, I'd like to know what you think of the terminology that's evolved lately around cuckqueaning. Not just the obvious term like "cuckquean", I mean things like

Cuckcake - another girl whom the partner fucks, non-dominant and friendly towards the cuckquean
Mare (from cuckolding's "bull") - another girl who the partner fucks, dominant and degrading towards the cuckquean
Queanbull (after some Tumblr blog, idk) - the partner of a cuckquean
'Cuckmaster - same
Queancake - I have no idea what this means, I think Tumblr is just mashing words together now

Personally? I think it's awesome that words are emerging to describe different positions within different cuckqueaning dynamics but honestly I hate these words. They're so cutesy and chucklefucky. They also don't really suggest the positions in and of themselves, so you just end up with more confusing labels that need to be explained. (Worse yet, I'm starting to see cutesy definition graphics emerge as people try to name themselves experts on this.)

What do you all think of the emerging vocab? Do you think it can be improved?

 No.236

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>>233
>Cuckcake
W-we sexual bakery now?

I can't imagine ever saying this word out loud but I also can't think of something to replace it with right now.

 No.262

I think most of it is silly, contrived, and unnecessary. I see it as a symptom of the internet, that every interest develops a fan community which then wants its own lingo.

 No.263

>>262
You're right about everything except it being unnecessary, I think. Being able to communicate things like this is important and shared words help with that. It's also important for people to have names for things. A lot of initial posts around cuckqueaning are like "oh god I'm so glad what I was lusting after has a name".

It's just that the existing terminology sucks.

>>233
A first step would be setting out and linking relationships between the combinations of concepts involved. I'll freestyle up a few, being as specific as possible. That'll help get things out in the open. If groups of things recur a lot in many cuckqueans, that'll be a clue for terminology! Kick the definitions around and suggest things I missed!

Foundational: Cuckquean (n., in fetish sense) - woman who enjoys their partner (who would otherwise be monogamous) having sex with other women (or people? does it count as cuckqueaning if the male partner mainly fucks men?). Non-reciprocal - unlike swinging/open relationship - since the fetish involves the cuckquean remaining exclusive to her partner. (Or is it possible to be a cuckquean in an open/swinging relationship if you still enjoy your partner's activity in a "cuckqueany" way?)

Well-understood is Emotional Motivation: Cuckqueans' motivation seems to fall into two main categories. One is emotional masochism from being cucked and the degradation & humiliation that implies. The other is pleasure gained from their partner enjoying more and varied sex with others. The motivations are not mutually exclusive. We already have terms for these, but they're not in consistent use. Humiliation type is widely referred to simply as cuckquean, while the second adds "compersive" to form compersive cuckquean. (I understand this to be due to the history of "cuckquean"'s revival as a term - the re-coiner of the phrase was very, very, very humiliation- and degradation-driven. Apparently a war over the term on Fetlife erupted some time ago, with the humiliation types claiming the compersive types weren't cuckqueans at all.)

There might be more to this, but I'll leave it for now.

Other Woman: The Other Woman has a huge muddle of characteristics relative to the cuckquean. Different cuckqueans seem to prefer some mixes of characteristics over others. Some I've seen recurring are:
- Attitude towards the cuckquean: Domineering, cruel, mocking, friendly, ignoring, etc.
- Status relative toward the cuckquean: Higher, Equal, Lower, undefined.
- Power relative to the cuckquean: Yes/No. Some cuckqueans enjoy being co-dominated by the other woman directly or indirectly, others
- Sexual Interaction by the cuckquean: Voluntary, non-voluntary, none. Whether the cuckquean enjoys interacting sexually with the other woman. Forced-bi component comes into play here.

Partner: Oh god, too many characteristics. I'll think about this later.

Other stuff:

Finding the Other Woman: Some cuckqueans do all the recruitment for their partner, to the point of him never meeting the other women until introduced for sex. Some help. Others aren't involved at all, enjoying watching their partner do all the discovery and work of attracting new women.

Involvement in Sex: Whether the cuckquean enjoys becoming involved in the sexual act. I've noticed that most cuckqueans do enjoy watching the sex if they can, but not all enjoy being involved in it. (Involved in the sex doesn't necessarily mean sexual contact with the other woman - fluffing, cleanup blowjobs, or being directly under the man and the other woman while they're fucking doggy-style all count.)

Proximity to Sex: Some cuckqueans don't want to be anywhere near the sex. Others enjoy being in the same house or being able to hear it. Others want to be in the same room as it.

Hiding: The voyeuristic thrill of seeing the sex but hidden from its participants seems to be a big thing for a lot of cuckqueans - peeking through the door, hiding in the closet, etc. It's not a thing at all for others.


I guess that's a start?

 No.264

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>>263
I should point out that I don't think most of this needs words. That would be contrived. In fact, I think it'd be a bad thing to have many highly specific words floating around. Terminology-padding happens a lot in BDSM when something becomes trendy and special snowflakes want to make their mark on it.

At minimum I think a better word for "partner of a cuckquean" is needed, since "cuckquean" and "other woman" fill the other roles generically very nicely.

Mapping out all the various axis is still important, just not artificially naming them.

 No.272

I really, really just want to know why it's spelled with an 'a'. This is going to drive my OCD crazy.

 No.273

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>>272
Old English etymology, filtered through Middle English and 18th century usage.

Old English "cwene" (disreputable woman) -> Middle English "queane" (young, robust woman) -> 18th Century form "quean"

1562: "Ye make hir a cookqueane."
1897: "Yes, that's her name! His cuckquean she is; his wife she is not and never shall be!"

The word was recently revived to describe this fetish, so didn't go through any further modernisation because it wasn't really used between now and then.

Hopefully that settles the OCD.

 No.274

>>273
Derp, forgot to say that "queen" in modern use only really carries a royal or alpha female connotation. Spelling it cuckqueen would introduce that same meaning to it, which rather kind of pollutes the word's actual meaning.

 No.275

>>273
>>274
Thank you, that makes sense.

 No.765

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>>262
Thank goodness, I thought I was the only one who thought these terms were silly.

 No.766

>>274

A "queen" is also a male who is a flamboyant transvestite.

 No.783

>>233
I think "Other Woman" is fine, capitalised to make it a proper noun. Distinguishing between this cuckcake type and mare type seems important but I don't think special made-up words are needed, they're a little confusing.

 No.833

>Cuckcake - another girl whom the partner fucks, non-dominant and friendly towards the cuckquean
Never liked this word. It's unpleasant to both the mouth and ears, and if you want to call the romantic partner (as opposed to the sexual partners) 'cuck', it doesn't even perform it's job of differentiating the two. It's worth noting that I also don't see a reason to categorize the "homewreckers" based on dominance or attitude.
>Mare (from cuckolding's "bull") - another girl who the partner fucks, dominant and degrading towards the cuckquean
I feel like this is actually pretty degrading toward the third partner.
>Queanbull (after some Tumblr blog, idk) - the partner of a cuckquean
I think bull would suffice, since it's used with positive connotations in cuckolding, and a cuckquean's partner is expected to have many of the same traits as a cuckolding bull.
>Cuckmaster - same
redundant.
>Queancake - I have no idea what this means, I think Tumblr is just mashing words together now
This was probably just to remove that ambiguity from cuckcake. Still hate it. Urge to pronounce Quean as kwe-un (as opposed to kween) insurmountable in my case.


My preference for the bull's sexual partners is the term Vixen. It's an old fashioned term (though not as old as cuckhold) already meaning a sexy, sensual woman, is a term from the animal kingdom (a female fox), and the x makes it sound exotic.

 No.834

>>833
I like Vixen. That works.

 No.835

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>>833
>if you want to call the romantic partner (as opposed to the sexual partners) 'cuck', it doesn't even perform it's job of differentiating the two
This is very true. I affectionately address my cuckquean as "silly little cuck" from time to time, so starting terms for anyone else with the 'cuck' prefix would be confusing.

>I also don't see a reason to categorize the "homewreckers" based on dominance or attitude.
I do, but the more I think about this the more I'm coming around to the idea it doesn't matter. Cuckolding just has "bull", right? No matter how the bull acts towards the cuckold? But then I don't know anything about that scene - could be the compersion-driven cucks have different nomenclature.

>I think bull would suffice, since it's used with positive connotations in cuckolding, and a cuckquean's partner is expected to have many of the same traits as a cuckolding bull.
That's a good point. A cuckolding bull and the partner of a cuckquean do need to display similar characteristics. But "bull" as a sexual term is pretty entrenched with cuckolding, to the point where using it as a role term (e.g. "I'm her bull") will indicate you're not her primary partner and the relationship will be assumed a cuckolding one.

>My preference for the bull's sexual partners is the term Vixen.
I like it, even though it's still a little cutesy and arbitrary. "My man's off to fuck his vixen tonight, so I'm collared up and have fresh batteries for the vibe ready."

 No.840

>>835
>Cuckolding just has "bull", right? No matter how the bull acts towards the cuckold?
I've been hanging around the typical communities online, nothing IRL, but that's more or less accurate. Skin color is the most common way to divide up bulls in cuckolding. There's very little variation in the expectations of their behavior or prowess, though.

>"bull" as a sexual term is pretty entrenched with cuckolding
It's use with sexual connotations predates the cuckolding subculture, but a decent point nonetheless. Stallion fits the same niche and afaik, hasn't been claimed yet.

>even though it's still a little cutesy and arbitrary
I always felt like cuckolds using the term bull was a little forced in the same way, but I guess you get used to it.

 No.841

>>840
I like "stallion" over "bull", personally.

 No.1261

Some infographics explaining all the terminology and different types of cuckquean would be very handy. Good recruiting too, if it contains a source link back here.


 No.1271

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>>1261

This one's from Fetlife, though it's somewhat disorganised and ugly. Might help serve as inspiration for a better effort.


 No.1279

>>1271

Are we really committed to the humiliation/nonhumiliation split? I feel strongly that anyone who doesn't want some humiliation with it just "hothusbanding", the same as it is with cuckolds and hotwifers.

By that same token, I feel that some amount of compersion is implied one way or the other and doesn't warrant a split.


 No.1283

>>1279

The humiliation/compersion thing was actually the subject of a kind of holy war within the community some years ago.

When Jenn Coney (or some name like that) first started her blog around 2009-2010 and proclaimed herself the template cuckquean, severe humiliation, degradation and a stripping away of choice were a mandatory part of the term. The community was made up mainly of her followers and fans. Many had had their partners cheat on them and then post-rationalised it as something they wanted. There was a lot of competition to find even deeper levels of degradation or humiliation, the idea being that if you didn't you weren't a good cuckquean.

When a group of cuckqueans emerged and said "actually we're not so much into playing the helpless victim", some nasty scrapping ensured. The original group accused the new group of not being cuckqueans because they weren't deprived of choice and the new group accused the original group of not being cuckqueans because they were really just being abused.

Eventually that all settled down when Jenn Coney disappeared from the Internet and common ground was found, but the "cuckquean = humiliation" mark has been left on the fetish's perception ever since. Plus, talking about how humiliated they are just increases the humiliation level, so that type is more likely to broadcast.

My take on it is that cuckqueans are rare enough as it is, so splitting the overall term by using "hothusbander" is counterproductive. I don't really like the sound of the word itself either. Doesn't seem to have caught on, either.

The definition of "cuckquean" is simply "a woman whose partner sleeps with other women", and in the fetish sense it expands to "a woman who condones her husband's sleeping with other women". There's plenty of room under that umbrella for girls who go all in on the humiliation aspect, those who do no humiliation at all and those who like a personal blend between the two.


 No.1286

File: 1432799896737-0.png (27.41 KB, 649x632, 649:632, cuckquean.png)

File: 1432799896740-1.png (15.5 KB, 285x500, 57:100, vixen.png)

For your consideration: Prototype symbols for cuckquean and vixen in the fetish sense.


 No.1287

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>>1286

I also played with a symbol for stallion, but can't settle on an element. I considered using satyr's horns, but that can be confused with the cuck's symbolic horns. The current tail symbology also overlaps with vixen. I played around with using horse ears atop the circle, but that doesn't communicate the element clearly.


 No.1288

>>1287

It's cool what you're trying to do, and I appreciate the effort, but to me that just looks like a guy with a tailplug in his ass.


 No.1289

>>1288

Yes, it's a problem. Ideas?


 No.1290

>>1289

not the poster you are responding to but maybe the male symbol is manly enough lol


 No.1291

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>>1286

My idea for a cuckquean symbol was more about the lock and key analogy.

But it is difficult to make a male version without going 3d.>>1286


 No.1292

>>1291

The lock and key is designed to evoke the variety of cuckquean that's put into actual or de facto chastity, right?

It's a snazzy symbol for that variety but I don't know if it represents the concept as a whole.


 No.1293

>>1286

>>1287

>>1291

Nice work anons. The first one >>1286 is very good imho.


 No.1294

>>1283

I see.

I'm just eternally frustrated by the internet's endless need to further refine kink (and thus, porn) into ultra-specific subcategories that try to grant all kinks some sort of equal representation. I blame reddit for this behavior to the greatest degree, but only because their posts have more permanence than 4chan.

For instance, you could obviously combine cuckold and cuckquean into one heading of infidelity, but the dynamics are different enough between the two that this doesn't happen naturally.

But humiliation/compersive cuckquean, obviously they're both cuckqueans and the core behavior, as you say, is a man who sleeps with other women.

I reckon the reason hothusbanding isn't a thing at all is probably because of women's love for drama and playing up transgression (and also I suppose men's inability to service many ladies in a short amount of time) lends itself to needing fewer "events" to fuel the fantasy. In short, women can obsess over less than men, by nature.

>>1293

I agree. The female symbol with the horns is nice.


 No.1295

>>1294

The diagram at >>1271 seems to be an attempt to catalogue subtypes rather than codify them into new terminology, so it's probably deliberately on the fine side. I wouldn't take it as an indication of the internet wanting terms for this to be more granular. From what I've seen, they like the one "cuckquean" term just fine.

>by nature

Careful with that kind of thinking, Anon. I've already seen my inherent "female nature" being trotted out to explain variously why I can't exist, why I must exist, why I shouldn't exist, and why even if I do exist I certainly wouldn't be posting here - et cetera, ad infinitum, ad tedium.


 No.1362

>>273

could you link the source for cwene being a woman of disrepute? All I can find in my various old english books is cwēn the term for girl/woman and its plural cwēne.


 No.1367

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>>1362

Orality and Literacy in Early Middle English edited by Herbert Pilch 1996 pp26 (https://books.google.com/books?id=jBVIrowvY_sC&lpg=PA26&ots=wgirgXLRdr&pg=PA26&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) is part of a long section on the translation of the Middle English "quene" and mentions that the Middle English Dictionary shows the root as OE cwene- a) a woman; b) a lowborn woman … harlot … term of abuse; but OE cwēn - a) a pre-eminent female noble… … etc.

It goes on to explain quean and queen as having their distinctions in the Old English roots of cwene and cwēn. Bascially queen evolved from a term of high praise while quean evolved from a derogatory one.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=cwene shows Old English cwene "woman," also "female serf, hussy, prostitute" (as in portcwene "public woman"), but I don't know where they sourced that from.

Less reliable wiki sources are somewhat confused. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cwen under derived terms shows cwene (woman, wife, prostitute), but https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cwene shows its definition as simply a woman. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quene also lists the Old English root of "quene" being cwene "woman, wife, prostitute"


 No.1369

>>1367

Oh I see now. Later historians just attributed things to the term from the rest of sentences it appeared in.


 No.1522

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>>1286

>the cuckquean symbol

Can you imagine how cute that would look tattooed just above the pussy? I'd never actually get a tattoo, but the idea of being marked like that is giving me all kinds of shivers.


 No.1537

>>1522

I like the antlers one, you should get it


 No.1545

>>1522

>>1537

Even better, imagine the horned symbol being applied as a brand to a buttock.


 No.1551

File: 1436358369452-0.png (31.51 KB, 540x691, 540:691, Cuckquean Definition.png)

File: 1436358369453-1.png (27.96 KB, 540x607, 540:607, Vixen Definition.png)

I used the symbols to make some infographics. What do you think, Anons?


 No.1552

>>1551

Very nice


 No.1573

>>1551

One thing you might want to do is list some "synonyms". Maybe. As long as you don't list cuckcake as a synonym for either.


 No.1575

>>1573

Cuckcake is possibly the worst term for anything ever. It's far too cutesy for the act it refers to and it's way too much of a mouthful. I prefer the term Vixen a thousand times over.


 No.1576

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>>1573

>>1575

>other people hate "cuckcake" as a term too


 No.1611

>>1575

Vixen sounds stupid


 No.1620

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>>1611


 No.1621

>>1611

Not nearly as stupid as "cuckcake", though.


 No.1626

>>1621

I agree with that but Vixen sounds like more tryhard BDSM shit


 No.1700

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I kinda wanted to make a cartoon version of the symbol for the infographic but it came out really shitty.

:/


 No.1702

>>1626

>>1621

>>1611

I've read manga where a playful man-stealer is accused of being a "fox-woman". Depending on the accuracy of the translation, it suggests the cuckquean concept has some universality.

Vixen isn't perfect but it's a lot more coherent than cuckcake.


 No.1703

>>1700

Betty Boop style. I like it.


 No.1705

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>>1700


 No.1706

>>1700

The eyes are too low, for one thing. Try raising the eyes higher, with the eyebrows on the body of the circle. Adjust the mouth height until it feels right relative to the eyes.

I like the smoother antlers.


 No.1707

>>1705

perfect


 No.1711

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>>1702

Foxes are traditionally seen as powerful tricksters in Japanese folklore, so it's no surprise that a woman who bewitches men would be compared to one. I've also seen man-stealers in Japanese media being called "thieving cats".

Animal associations are nice because they're playful and have a host of connotations already attached. In our case, vixen already means a sultry, desirable, tempting woman. I think it strikes a good balance between descriptive and playful.


 No.2432

>>1551

These are good and I like "vixen" as a term but it seems like "cuckcake" has firmly taken root.

Oh well! At least we have a word for it.


 No.2441

>>2432

What's worse is that you'll see people identifying as a cuckcake when they mean cuckquean. Or at least, I've seen one or two posts on reddit to that effect. May be overblowing it a bit. I'm a staunch advocate of Vixen.

Not sure what anyone can do about it. There are still people who think that only black men can be Bulls in a cuckold situation.


 No.2928

>>2441

which actually comes to part of why i dislike cuckcake myself, it translates poorly, its a linguistic nightmare for those that get words mixed up and it's liable to trip up people Often, it also feels like a cheap failed pun on cupcake…


 No.2946

>>2928

>it translates poorly, its a linguistic nightmare for those that get words mixed up and it's liable to trip up people

I hadn't even thought of that. Yet more reasons why it's a terrible word.


 No.2972

What is the BBC of cuckqueaning?


 No.2974

>>2972

There isn't one, thank god. I've got nothing against raceplay, but we don't need one specific part of a separate fetish taking over the (limited) content of ours like with cuckolding.


 No.2975

>>2928

>Often, it also feels like a cheap failed pun on cupcake…

Wait what's the real origin of the term if it isn't cupcake related?


 No.2977

>>2975

>>2928

Same here, I thought cuckcake was literally just an over sexualized pun on cupcake brought about by people who wanted to try and act cute with their fetish and only ended up failing and causing a linguistic nightmare.


 No.2979

>>2972

Beautiful Blonde Cunt/Cutey?


 No.2989

>>2974

Didn't really have to be about interracial shit, more that BBC has become a meme at this point that is synonymous with cuckolding. That is what I was looking for.

>>2979

That one is cute.


 No.2990

>>2989

>a meme at this point that is synonymous with cuckolding. That is what I was looking for.

Cuckqueaning doesn't really have an equivalent. Which IMO is a good thing.


 No.2998

>>2990

>Cuckqueaning doesn't really have an equivalent.

Having viewed more that a few cuckquean porn vids (amateur and pro) I would generally agree with this assessment. The only common theme would be that the vixen looks different from the quean in some respect. Older, younger, hair or skin color, weight.


 No.3017

Thanks.

For my porn I def enjoy Mare/cuckquean style. However in my real life I would like a cuckcake.


 No.3020

>>236

You're telling me she doesn't bake you little cakes to snack on while you watch? You're getting ripped off.


 No.3030

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>>3017

>cuckcake



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