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There's no discharge in the war!

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41e274 No.546766

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Old thread >>530956

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4d3c5b No.588675

>>588654

Well you have a hard time debunking it because there's literally nothing to debunk! There's literally no argument at all! There isn't even a proper, decently-made strawman or ad hominem attack, or logical or informal falacy in them to see and point out! They're just, at best, statements. At best they can be interpreted as outlandish claims (like the first one, the closest thing to a meaning I can draw out of it is "NRA supresses the freedom of speech" or silences the anti-gun lobby or something), which one has a hard time arguing against due to their sheer, mindbugging absurdity, stupidity or outlandishness! It's like a six year old saying "Auntie X is a witch! She eats babies!" Sure, you can say your sister does not, in fact, consume human infants or practice witchcraft, and actually likes kids, but what's the point?! What's the use?! What more can you say or do at this point?!

They're literally just drawings saying "I hate guns!" "NRA BAD!" It's like a child's tantrum over eating his greens, or a teacher or a food he doesn't like! Sure, you can point out the importance of a proper, balanced meal, or nutrition to him, or point out how Ms. X is actually a very nice lady, but it is no use. He still wouldn't listen because he's a usually bratty, spoiled little kid. He'll just go on screaming the same, calling Ms. X silly childish names the same, or try to break little Bobby, the boy hext door's shiny new bike, or hit him, or call him names because of it because you didn't buy him anything good (from his point of view) for Christmas, or out of sheer bloody-mindedness (because you asked him not to) or because of whatever silly petulant reason kids do thet sort of shit!

And about the dindu bit, weren't there a bunch of studies that showed, to the contrary, that cops are actually more reluctant to use deadly force against black suspects than white ones?


8ab0f8 No.588691

Is it legal to carry the gun publicly in Queensland, Australia?


79c5b9 No.588728

File: 2954676d0bb7d19⋯.jpg (73.92 KB, 580x469, 580:469, 2954676d0bb7d19462516a0fc6….jpg)

>>588675

>And about the dindu bit, weren't there a bunch of studies that showed, to the contrary, that cops are actually more reluctant to use deadly force against black suspects than white ones?

Here's one I got.


4d3c5b No.588743

>>588728

And that's only one! IIRC there were several, conducted during and after the whole Trayvon Martin nonsense, and the BLM chimpouts and accusations that "cops be racis n sheiit" turning into a major political talking point. one conducted by some federal agency, at least two independent ones by Harvard and other universities, some using statistical data like your pic related, some using bodycam footage, some using simulated scenarios, etc, all pointing out that cops (white or otherwise) show much more reluctance shooting black suspects than white ones. Unfortunately, I didn't bother saving them.


7f785b No.588747

>>588654

>debunk these

Why are you looking at political cartoons? They are made by mental midgets for mental midgets. Shit artists with shit opinions, no matter their ideology.

Read a book


21a023 No.588842

quick poll USP9 vs P226 go

https://www.strawpoll.me/15974521


37d1c7 No.588900

File: fdede53024f1b63⋯.jpg (48.47 KB, 750x500, 3:2, murg.jpg)

I made a thread for this and some nice person directed me here. I guess this is like a simple q&a thread or something?

I'm a 19/yo burger who grew up in a very multiculti town where guns where not approved of so I've never really been around them. Never even shot one. I think that it's important for all sane and able adult men to own guns though for political reasons, so now that I'm at college and have a job I would like to into guns.

I was into archery as a kid and like bow hunting. I would probably mostly use whatever I buy for hunting and shooting at a range. So, what is a good first gun? I'm thinking some kind of sporty rifle. Maybe with a wood stock because I like how they look. I really know nothing about guns though so maybe that is dumb. I don't really know what is reasonable to spend. Hopefully less than 600 USD.

My college doesn't allow its students to own guns. I would keep it locked up in my car when I wasn't, but I'd like something that if a basic liberal saw for some reason they would think "hunting" not "school shooter".

Plz help a newfag?


91067e No.588908

File: e3b7cc07210232e⋯.jpeg (56.91 KB, 540x674, 270:337, 1b6eb8c687200b14a5b4de58b….jpeg)

>>588900

Pick a caliber you think would be cool and practice.

If you're intent on wood stock, try a SKS or a Mini-14 made after 2005; the SKS will be around $400-500 and the Mini-14 will go for maybe 600-700 used.

Otherwise, build an AR-15.


570a91 No.588909

File: 906f8da33d0673e⋯.jpg (37.8 KB, 474x355, 474:355, 10_22.jpg)

>>588900

Like a rifle? Ruger 10/22 Is a good first gun but underpowered for defence. Comes in wood stocks for a mere 220$ Practice is key, 10/22 is good for practice. Most new shooters don't realize how loud and powerful things like a shotgun or 30-06 rifle are. The .22lr cartridge is quieter, has low recoil and is stupid cheap compared to larger calibers. It helps you keep a bit calmer and not develop a flinch when you pull the trigger. Don't underestimate it though, in my advanced studies a .22 will go through a 4x4 with the grain and I imagine a person too.

600$ can get you a fair bit more bang than a .22. Some people would say an AR-15 in 5.56 is the best deal at 400-500$ and spend the rest on ammo and mags. Looks like a scary salt rifle though, the reason you don't see wood stocks on lots of guns is because they are heavy. Even hunters go for synthetic stocks because it can be pounds off the gun weight.

If you know absolutely nothing get a 10/22 and have fun with it, get good at aiming and firearm safety, and then you still have all that money left to get a bigger gun for defending your home/hunting/obliterating appliances. You can also use the 10/22 to introduce others to shooting, I even got my paranoid mom to shoot it.

also DYOR.


9f7853 No.588989

File: ca07bdc5ea9756b⋯.png (386.98 KB, 540x405, 4:3, clustered scum.png)

Hypothetically speaking, in a purely theoretical scenario for the sole purpose of information; if you were to throw a Molotov at a crowded refugee boat, what is the likely death toll and what are the chances the boat might sink?

pls no bully Mr. NSA man


7b73b7 No.588994

>>588900

Grab a Savage 64F for less than 150, then

>>588365

If you really need wood, get Mossberg 500 model 015813541695. If you have a Cabelas in your state and within driving distance you can get one for 320(+tax) by grabbing a bunch of 100 dollar gift cards for 80 when that deal pops (it does every weekish).


805b44 No.589007

>>588989

Upon seeing you, most refugees in boats will assume you're a European coast guard vessel and will sabotage their own ship to make you rescue them and bring them to Europe or wherever. So hypothetically speaking you wouldn't even need the Molotov, but for shits and giggles you could throw it anyways and make them choose between burning and drowning.


805b44 No.589011

Liveleak embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>589007

Vid related.


7b73b7 No.589014

>>589007

Sounds like fun.


1a35e8 No.589016

>>588900

Conventional wisdom says to get an inexpensive .22 rifle. Great way to learn the fundamentals of safety and marksmanship.

However, I usually recommend a 9mm pistol (Glock 19) for first-timers. Why? Because you're going to buy one eventually anyway.

- If you're getting into guns on purpose, eventually you're going to get a concealed carry permit. You'll want a pistol for carrying.

- On a similar note, carrying a pistol is a great way to build confidence around guns. I came from a no-guns household, so I was actually AFRAID of guns. Carrying it around on my hip when I could somehow helped with that. It wouldn't have been practical for me to carry around a rifle everywhere.

- A pistol is an easy way to familiarize yourself with the workings of firearms in general. Small parts, easy to disassemble.

- Many times I see first-timers buy guns that they'll never have a PURPOSE for once they're comfortable with shooting. For example, my first gun was a .22 revolver… and after I learned to shoot, I immediately bought other guns that were more practical for home defense, concealed carry, etc.

- Someday you'll want to customize your gun, or get some sort of aftermarket part for it, or you'll have to replace a part, or you'll want to try a different holster, or some fancy new type of ammo. All accessories and holsters ever made will be available for the Glock 19/17 before any other gun. All fancy new ammo will be available in 9mm before any other pistol calibers.

- Speaking of ammo, there's a wide range of 9mm ammo to choose from, and it's cheap. It's not as cheap as .22, but you will have a lot more choices. First-timers should choose a low-recoil round; it won't be as "easy" to shoot as .22, but low-recoil 9mm out of a Glock 19-sized gun is more than manageable for a first-timer. There's even low-recoil self-defense rounds available, so you can start carrying combat-capable ammo while you're still learning to manage recoil.

- In your situation specifically, it makes a lot of sense to buy a pistol rather than a rifle. You can stash it in a small safe in your car and tuck it somewhere nobody will ever see it.

Sorry for the long post. Just sort of thinking out loud here. You'd be killing two birds with one stone: you'd be getting a good beginner gun AND a gun that you'll want once you're not a beginner. Glocks are not the prettiest tools in the toolbox, but nobody can argue that they're impractical.


2e7cb5 No.589017

>>589007

>>589011

Remind me again why there aren't fleets of pissed off trawler captains roaming the Mediterranean, baiting human traffickers into scuttling themselves?


1a35e8 No.589019

>>589016

Oh, and if the idea of a gun with no manual safety scares you, you can always do what I did: carry with the trigger reset (in the forward position) but without a round in the chamber. After carrying it all day, you check to make sure the trigger is still forward (indicating that it hasn't been accidentally pulled) and after a while you'll realize that there's no way you're going to accidentally pull the trigger if you're doing everything correctly.

Anyone want to chime in with some thoughts on my recommendation? I really don't want to steer this guy wrong.


55fa0d No.589026

>>589016

>>588900

The .22 LR is the best way to train on your first firearm. Extremely cheap, low noise and recoil, there is a reason an old obsolete rimfire design is still alive and kicking. Learning to manage recoil and blast are important things at some point, but at first just focus on the fundamentals. Bullseye isn't the only thing you should train, you need to train real life scenario and rapid fire at some point, but the first steps are bullseye and basic 101 marksmanship.

Get a GOOD air rifle, they are another cheap means to learn. The more you shoot the better, and getting in some short range air rifle shooting is a great way to break yourself in. Fundamentals are the same as firearms, your initial training can use them quite a bit to save quite a lot. Shoot 5,000 pellets out of an ACCURATE air rifle and you will have more experience, and more cash, to move on to the next stage.

Start off with a bolt 22 LR, not any autoloader. When first learning basics and shooting paper and calling shots, you have to know if the point of impact was the fault or success of YOU, not the gun, not the ammunition. You don't need an Olympic grade gun, but getting a decent quality bolt action is best for your training. Start with iron sights, both on the air gun and the 22LR. Yes, you can always move onto optics, shooting iron sights teaches you better form, makes you work harder and focus better. Start with iron sights even if you plan on using optics later. "Well, its easier with optics" well, that's why you don't train with them early on, early stage learning.

Biggest problem with 22LR is people's fondness of it. Its a poor caliber outside of plinking, bullseye shooting, training, squirrels and all that. People like to think its a great rifle for everything because they grew up with it and love it, not because its a competent choice. Its a learner gun, a squirrel killer, not a defender cartridge, not a serious hunting cartridge for bigger game. Unless you like not stopping attackers and wounding animals trying to prove how great of a shot you are and how you "don't need nothing better her harr heerr"


153ffb No.589035

File: b013bfdeaaad6df⋯.jpg (38.79 KB, 870x864, 145:144, 16681459_1608521712506160_….jpg)

If 80% of firearms used in homicide are stolen, how are they getting stolen so much?


1a35e8 No.589036

>>589026

>Learning to manage recoil and blast are important things at some point, but at first just focus on the fundamentals.

I guess I just feel like recoil and blast ARE fundamentals. Any gun of any serious caliber (like you said, .22 is good for plinking and that's about it) is going to have recoil and blast, so you can skip a step, save some money, buy a more useful gun, and practice things like trigger control, sight acquisition, stance, and draw/presentation with dry firing.

I'm not trying to say a .22 is a bad choice at all… you can't really go wrong with it. I'm just thinking outside of the box here, and it seems like an unnecessary baby step for someone who is actually determined to become proficient with guns.


0d532a No.589040

>>589035

>If 80% of firearms used in homicide are stolen, how are they getting stolen so much?

Not necessarily stolen, but illegally owned. That covers everything from direct theft, to buying a stolen gun from a fence, to buying a gun from gun runner who gets the firearm from some "legitimate" source, reports what he buys as stolen, then grinds off the serial number and sends it the way of the local gangs. Or some other form of laundering, I'm not well-versed on the details of criminal behavior.


75844b No.589041

Anyone ever been visited by the man?

Picking up a large ish number of cheaper guns and curious as to if I'll get a knock.


8a735a No.589043

>>589040

That or they get their shit from Mexicans that transport weapons given to them by the ATF over our weak border.


ee75a0 No.589044

>>589041

Was it something like an auction/group lot or a bunch of seperate stuff. If the later you might get asked why.


1a35e8 No.589055

>>589041

I bought 18 handguns and sold 8 last year. No knocks.

As long as it was all done lawfully, you shouldn't have any problems… but if you do get a knock, you have nothing to say.


75844b No.589076

>>589055

Well you get reported to atf and state/local police if you buy more than 1 handgun in 5 business days.

I'll be picking up 8 handguns (super cheap), 1 cheap rifle and 1 cheap scattergun.

<$600 total

>>589044

Batch of 7 handguns as 1 listing, then the other items are separate listings from the same dealer. I'll be doing 1 4473 for all tho.

So I'll definitely get reported for all the items under US law and I'd imagine the pricing would potentially raise concern since they are 'street guns'. They are for me tho so if they ask idgaf too much I'm not reselling, just curious as to if it might happen.


0d532a No.589079

>>589076

If your name isn't on half a dozen lists already you aren't living your life the right way.


37d1c7 No.589082

File: 3813063f6b89cce⋯.jpeg (9.84 KB, 275x183, 275:183, alpine.jpeg)

>>588900

Here. Sorry for not reading the sticky before. I think I'll go for a .22 mm long rifle.

>>589016

In my state, you have to be 21 to buy a pistol.

>>588909

Looks pretty much like what I'm looking for. Some other anon said to go with bolt action though rather than semi auto. Thoughts?

>>589026

What is a good bolt action? Some other anon recommended a Ruger 10/22 which I think is semi auto? Again, I'll probably use it for shooting targets, hunting rabbits, and killing starlings.


41a2d4 No.589092

>>589076

>Well you get reported to atf and state/local police if you buy more than 1 handgun in 5 business days

Border states (Cali, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas) also have the bullshit multiple MSR report form.


75844b No.589093

>>589079

Oh it is already. This isn't my first multiple, I own nfa, and worked for the .gov before.


75844b No.589097

>>589082

If your from Utah you can buy handguns under 21 so quit being retarded also

>.22mm


0d532a No.589099

>>589082

>Some other anon said to go with bolt action though rather than semi auto. Thoughts?

Not a bad idea but not wholly necessary either. Personally, I think you'd be better served if your first gun had some kind of use value beyond "good as babby's first gun", and not something that sits in the back of the safe once you pick up more interesting things. A semiauto .22, particularly a "takedown" semiauto .22, continues to have practical value even after you've learned your fundamentals, so unless you're really tight on your budget I'd recommend going for a Ruger 10/22 takedown. Another advantage of the 10/22 platform is that it's got an AR-tier aftermarket. So if and when you decide you want to customize and go full Barbie on your gun you have lots of options.

>In my state, you have to be 21 to buy a pistol.

That's just a federal law, and only applies to FFLs–in most uncucked states you can still buy a pistol under 21 in a private sale if you're so inclined. Check your state's laws to see if this is the case.

>.22mm

Ah, I see you're shooting pin flechettes then.


55fa0d No.589122

>>589099

>>589082

What makes an auto loader always useful and a non auto loader useless? Millions of people successfully killed furbearing animals for money and eliminated pest animals before the advent of the auto loader 22lr and even after. Once people "grow up" from 22LR either ALL of their rimfire goes into the closet or gunsafe or NONE of them. There is always the retarded mouth breathing bashing "Fudds" but remember when hunting is involved that not everyone and everything is auto loader.

For the things you will want a 22 for both today and later on the bolt action is probably better. The more accurate rifle will help you calls hots better, along with better ammunition helps to keep you from falling into "must be the gun or ammo" pitfall of why your shots didn't go where you thought they would. Many people who use 22 at longer ranges for small game prefer the bolt's increase in accuracy and don't value the follow up shots as much, or even at all.

A rimfire autoloader will never be anything than a plinker either, nothing gained by modding it up or worrying about how many rounds it can fire in a minute. Serious rimfire shooters own multiple rimfire rifles and in all truth they take their high end expensive bolt guns more seriously than the Ruger or other auto loader. There is a reason why a CZ bolt rimfire can be sold for $350-$500, why they are in demand, why they are worth it, why they aren't being phazed out of left behind by automatics.

>>589036

Journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Modern people are so hyperactive, I dare say manic, that they want to start the advanced stuff before they are even ready, want to jump into the 35th Chamber if you will before starting at the first. Its easier for someone to focus on the first basics without the other considerations, at least at first. Sometimes comprehensive overall training is best, this is what advanced training is all about and what serious people focus on for the most of their time, but sometimes singular focus training can be helpful. Dry firing exercises can help someone focus purely on proper trigger pull. You don't do them forever or make those the focus of your training, but sometimes isolating a single aspect can be helpful at times.

I am more of a "crossfit" and real life objective whole scenario all things considered guy myself, but there is the place for the isolated exercise and the occasional singular focus to help people overcome weak spots, and a new shooter is weak spots.


fae03a No.589123

File: 09341db5a1084b8⋯.png (739.89 KB, 800x518, 400:259, ClipboardImage.png)

Could a gun have been mounted on the Titanic that could have blown through the iceberg, or are icebergs too tough?


153ffb No.589124

What's the best way to get rid of sparrows that have been kicking out the other birds at the feeder? Is a suppressed 22 overkill? I want something that wont alert the neighbors


55fa0d No.589125

>>589124

.177 caliber air guns will more than kill the hell out of a sparrow. prolly more legal if you are in urban areas, quieter, less chance of anyone getting hurt, ect.


c699ba No.589126

>>589123

Icebergs are larger than what you see on the surface, Anon, so it's very unlikely shooting at it could do much at all. It would probably take some controlled demolition with handplaced explosives to shatter one.

The problem with the Titanic is that it was either a massive case of insurance fraud or that someone just wasn't paying attention to where they were goingseriously it's a fucking giant block of ice in the middle of the ocean they really dropped the ball on that one.


05e8d8 No.589129

>>589126

keep in mind these ships aren't exactly agile in turning

>>589123

keep in mind iceberg comes from a dutch word that literally translated as "ice mountain" , because thats what it is, an ice mountain.

>When the Titanic smashed into the side of the iceberg in 1912, the iceberg is thought to have measured 400 feet in length, with a mass of 1.5m tonnes.

heres according to this daily fail articles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3478977/Iceberg-sank-Titanic-killing-1-517-people-100-000-year-old-giant-scientists-discover.htm

so if you had atomic annie, you could kill an iceberg


0d532a No.589132

>>589122

>What makes an auto loader always useful and a non auto loader useless?

>Once people "grow up" from 22LR either ALL of their rimfire goes into the closet or gunsafe or NONE of them.

There is exactly one exception to this IMO, and it's why I suggested not just a semiauto but the 10/22 TAKEDOWN specifically: a lightweight "survival rifle" that's also compact and easy to feed. It's a niche use but it is a use, and outside of taking up competition .22 shooting it's the best way to make sure your gun has use value even after you "grow up."


2e7cb5 No.589135

>>589124

If you actually have a suppressed .22 handy, just use ratshot. That's what it's made for.


0d532a No.589136

>>589126

It was part arrogance–Titanic was advertised as "unsinkable" and most of the crew drank that kool-aid–and like the other guy said, part ocean liners being big fat cows. I'm pretty sure what records we have suggest that the crew did see it, only soon enough to turn a head-on collision into a scraping the side.

If you want to know the real reason, just look at the name: ice(((berg))).


fdc62d No.589137

>>589135

>shotshells through a suppressor


fdc62d No.589138

Presafety jetfire for $200ish do I do it?

Dunno shit about them.


2e7cb5 No.589140

File: d8286cf7b787f2a⋯.png (341.93 KB, 512x386, 256:193, shotcapsule.png)

>>589137

My understanding was that the shot capsule behaved more like a frangible slug than anything.

But yeah, you're probably right.


63ec42 No.589170

>>589137

What's that supposed to mean? That you can't suppress a shotgun? Or that shotgun suppression is completely ineffective?


41a2d4 No.589180

>>589138

Beretta 950? They're decent guns, and have a niche collector market. Offer 150, if you find you don't like it you could probably turn it for a decent profit.


fdc62d No.589186

>>589140

Idk, I'd be pretty concerned with a strike, esp since 22 cans are usually aluminum. I wouldn't put one through my can. Doubt it would be super serious if something did happen though..

>>589170

In general shotgun suppressors or in this case shotshells through a suppressor cause some worries about getting baffle strikes. As the shot exits the barrel and begins to spread, but it still in the suppressor there is a chance it'll hit the baffles if it spreads too much which is bad bad bad.


fdc62d No.589187

>>589180

Yeah 950 pre BS maybe pre B dunno how to check that part.


7c6661 No.589224

>>546766

What gun would /k/ recommend in the $150 area? I know it'll only get me cheap shit, but I'm out of work and I don't know when I'll be able to get back on my feet, and I'm not looking to get stuck defenseless when lefties snap and shit actual happens. Any suggestions?


66e5ca No.589242

>>589224

Used scatterblaster.

Unless your trying to carry.

Then whatevers in your price range on armslist.


7b73b7 No.589278

>>589224

Shit man, you can't even get a Hi-Point for 150 after transfers and fees. It will barely get you a 22 rifle.

As

>>589242

said used shotgun is the only thing qualified for defensive use that you can find in that range (hell, I think it's the only thing that isn't a 22). Even then ammo and making sure it works will likely put you over that price. $235 after your fees is a more realistic price for something concealable.


60c5f1 No.589282

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>589011

that's when you need your crew armed with fully auto AK's and a few buckets of 75 round drums, and just unload on the nigger filth.


ffdd91 No.589287

File: 00d5240c919874c⋯.jpg (148.16 KB, 550x848, 275:424, d04d034cfcec03683ae9df0455….jpg)

So I wanted to find out more info about the Spanish Legion, mainly because this shithole doesnt have a standing army (was abolished in 1949) and there are no military schools that mentally and physically toughen up my twinky ass up. I had plans on applying on the next summer, since I need to get a temporal or permanent residency as an iberoamerimutt.

Some red flags that were raised when I was searching for info were:

>>>>Women are allowed to serve under the Spanish Legion

>The training may be too soft/lax, compared to the french legion

>The new commie spanish gov might slash the military budget

<But why dont you join the French Legion then

I have heard mixed opinions about the french legion. Some say that it is an overromanticized unit, and you will most likely be cleaning toilets on the first year if you know jackshit of french (like me), and be deployed to the Congo/Guyana to protect noglets/hues underequipped and with outdated equipment, so its going to be junglehell for 5 years. Others say that the french legion is the best shit if you want to experience adventure and thrill. I honestly believe the former more than the latter. Also I've heard stories of aspirants (with no military background) that excel in the physical tests yet are sent back home, so they must have bias for for recruits with a previous background. So the FFL is not my primary option.

I want to know everything about the Spanish Legion. How hard is the selection process? How tough is the training? Do you think the legion is too romanticized? Is the equipment too bad?

Also yes, I already know their uniform is faggot-tier, but I can bear with it


8e00a3 No.589297

I think this question probably does deserve its own thread and I'll probably make one later, I think /k/ is the place I'd want to ask this…

Can anybody recommend any decent volunteer/charity groups in interesting parts of the world which really allow you to see it?

Any interesting organizations that get the /k/ stamp of approval worth spending half a year at after uni?


863b64 No.589298

>>589287

Anything Spain-Spanish is commie faggotry, and you'll probably end up killing your own people in the next civil war that breaks out if you join the Spanish Legion. Live your life, fam. You're right in that you'd probably fail the tests for the FFL without prior military experience though.


863b64 No.589299

File: 9a3d4f82b936399⋯.jpg (168.99 KB, 1200x779, 1200:779, 9a3d4f82b9363995941f4d7ba7….jpg)

>>589297

I can't remember the name of them, but there's an NGO that hooks you up to live with a foster family for three months in exchange for teaching the local kids English in Kazakhstan, they only require a year of Russian language classes/experience to go teach with them. Just keep in mind this permanently bars you from ever getting Secret Clearance or your country's equivalent.

My buddy who goes to some English church does charity work in Ukraine every year as well where he builds houses for people who's houses used to get destroyed by natural disasters got destroyed by all the fighting. There's also some engineering volunteer firm that sends recently-graduated engineers/scientists to build water structures & bridges in remote parts of Guatemala/Peru/etc. for the locals where you can live like a king on $3/day.

Really I'd check with your local church. That's probably the fastest option where you know you'll help someone, if not the second most expensive option.


1cd05e No.589332

>>589017

Because they'd get sent to the Muslim wing of their local prison, duh.


c94b87 No.589333

>>589287

Why was Costa Rica's army abolished, anyways? I cannot fathom what the point of such a move would be. Like, even microstates like fucking Monaco have some limited military capacity, why would CR get rid of theirs? I can't imagine that makes any sense from a political perspective. Generally those in power want more power, not less.

P.S. what's the civlian gun ownership situation like in the meme country of CR, twink?


c94b87 No.589334

>>589333

Oh and also assuming you're not like every other brown lefty shithole country and actually by some miracle DO have the ability to own arms, how difficult is it for the common man and do you have any?


cc1d34 No.589338

File: 96649bed85d394e⋯.jpg (4.7 KB, 190x153, 190:153, a_damn_behr.jpg)

If there were ever a black bear on my street (yes, this actually happens), what would be my best choice for taking it down if it endangered somebody else before pros arrived? My options:

-M44 Nugget, no stripper clips

-AK in x39, with chest rig + seven 30-round mags

-12 gauge Mossberg 500 with 1 oz slugs and 5+1 capacity


f4283e No.589339

>>589287

Didn't you say you were a burger just 'on vacation' there? Why would you want to get residency/ citizenship in a meme country?! Are you hiding from law or something? Or you just want to join some military no matter what? Well in that case I see no reason why one would prioritise joining the Spanish military and dying for commies over joining the French Legion and dying for niggers or US Army and dying for Israel.


2ddd51 No.589347

>>589338

Any of those are fine for blackbear. Get some 154gr SP and that AK jumps to the top of the list.

Don't waste the meat, bear makes great chili. I swear that if you put beans in your chili I will find you and fuck your life sideways.


ce482d No.589359

>>589347

I put spaghetti noodles in my chili


71f84f No.589390

File: 6bb6f5bd939c032⋯.png (950.33 KB, 960x424, 120:53, k-files.PNG)

Is Steve a /k/ommando? Just noticed an Ivan patch in his video


0d532a No.589391

>>589390

Dunno who Steve is but remove kebab is a normie-friendly meme these days.


71f84f No.589392

>>589391

oh, he's a dude who does MRE reviews on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2I6Et1JkidnnbWgJFiMeHA


ee75a0 No.589406

>>589338

Any of those will do provided you're using SP/HP/Boutique shit for the first two.


4d4148 No.589409

>>589391

>killing Muslims meme

>normal fag tier now

That actually makes me happy


0ca99b No.589417

Back with questions concerning some stuff.

I live in US-South and I'm going hunting, want to start thinking about something I can wear for the hellish downpour here. I also do urbexing so I'd kinda like to double up by having some clothes I can wear to both. First, I want to ask about the reputability of 2 shops.

Are grey-shop.ru and rus-mil.com good? They both sell the Gorka 4 which seem to be what I look for, but one appears cheaper.

https://grey-shop.ru/Special-suits/Gorka-Suits/Suit-Gorka-4-Bars

https://rus-mil.com/shop/clothes/gorka-4-anorak-bars/

On rus-mil I found other stuff that might work.

https://rus-mil.com/shop/clothes/summer/tacticka-suit/taktika-2-at-digital-pattern/ (Digital because olive is sold out)

https://rus-mil.com/shop/clothes/gorka-5-suit-in-olive-with-fleece-removable-lining/

Thanks to anyone who can give some choice opinions, and good hunting stalkers.


0d532a No.589419

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>589409

>That actually makes me happy

They tell themselves they only like it "ironically" but deep down they know the truth.


0d532a No.589420

>>589417

I'm not an expert in raingear specifically, but have you checked the prices and capabilities of new-production stuff before heading straight for surplus stores? Surplus gear is generally on the cheap side, but as the stock's drying up, in certain markets it's no longer guaranteed to be the most cost-effective option.

Where in the south?


0ca99b No.589422

>>589420

Mostly I check surplus because I'm a russian collector as well so it hits a few buttons for me on that end, but I'd rather have something effective. I haven't checked but I'd be willing to compare and contrast suggestions.

This is recent surplus though. When I go to american surplus it always seems to be cheap mass production stuff but things like the gorka have ripstop tent canvas and fairly high waterproofing. Dunno if the gorka is better than what the US Military might use but their non novex coveralls are pretty meh.

This is important because to answer your question I live in Alabama, which might as well be a land tsunami.


52e187 No.589446

File: 52d1b2bb8bcfcf7⋯.jpg (53.39 KB, 800x422, 400:211, crafting level 8.jpg)

I want to make a piece of chest armor that will resist knife thrusts and protect against blunt objects, and I don't want to break the bank making it. I don't care about it resisting boolets. Any suggestions?


52e187 No.589457

File: f5f9ee876a2c1b5⋯.jpg (31.32 KB, 320x239, 320:239, CMlDAoa.jpg)

Another question, how dangerous is underloading handloads? What percentage of the min/max of the recommended charge can you go below and not risk squibs? Is the "underloaded loads will blow up your gun" myth true?

For reference, I'm handloading 30-30 with 150gr JSP bullets. My loads so far have between 26gr to 30gr of H335. I was using the Lee 1.9 cc scoop, but in hindsight I wasn't always getting the scoop filled up all the way. The Lee loading sheet that came with my kit says the min/max load for H335 was 29.4gr to 33gr.


55fa0d No.589460

>>589457

The safe answer is "no" don't go under minimum loads. Squibs are more dangerous in most cases than overpressure because if you fire a round after a squib it will cause way higher pressures and the worst case scenario. Squibs can be very serious business indeed and should be watched for constantly.

As for the other reason for concern, rifles can suffer low load explosions due to the dynamics of slow powder burn within the case, something that's not entirely understood, but it has been known that certain powders will suffer dangerous overpressure if loaded too low, too much case space, ect. This is never a consideration in handguns, the powders all burn too fast, but in the rifle its an ever present danger.

For squib concern, have you chronographed these loads to make sure they are coming out of the barrel with consistent and high velocity? If the velocity is high and consistent, don't worry about a squib. Bullets get stuck because they are going slow, as long as the velocity isn't dropping down to the mid hundreds of FPS or some shit and is barely crawling out of the barrel, no concerns.

As for the minimum loads in rifles, don't drop below them, get a powder trickler to finish off the powder charge to the minimum, also you will get more consistent powder charges and better performance anyways. Maybe a powder dumper you can configure to throw charges at a certain weight, but even these need to be weighed and might be best off being finished with a trickler. In any case, you might be OK with the lower than minimum forever, you might blow the thing up one day, don't take the chance.

I remember some books that only listed a maximum powder charge and then told you to be smart enough to start at 10% reduction and work your way up, reminding you not to dip below 10% because of the slow burning rifle phenomena of overpressure from light charges, some powders were 5%, and some old Winchester loads came with a disclaimer something tot he effect of "Don't fuck with this, use exactly as we stated or don't load it at all".

Don't play with fire is my suggestion.


52e187 No.589461

>>589460

I've looked around, and there are people who swear that low load explosions are complete bullshit except with really slow burning powders, with powder loads like 1/2 recommended.

Sources:

http://www.reloadammo.com/liteload.htm

Ctrl+F "Norman Johnson" to skip to point

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/arcane1.html

From second page:

>" – For the shooting to 20 - 30 meters distance you may load cartridges [6.5 x 55] with 0.20 gram [3 gr] of bluepowder and a spherical bullet of the hardened lead alloy."


716ec4 No.589475

>>589446

If you are not trolling, you can buy a piece of chainmail, it's on Kult of Athena.


ee75a0 No.589497

>>589417

I've bought from grey shop once before, my Ivans upstairs buys from them on the regular. They're happy with their gear as am I.

>>589420

Their shit is new manufacture.


c47c5b No.589516

Has anybody made (could anybody make) a revolver for necked cartridges? I'm thinking of a rifle, with a rifle round, awkward as that might wind up being I know there have been revolvers in .357mag but I'm thinking 6.5 grendel or 5.45x39 for efficacy in the package. Or for mad-max feedability build it in 5.56 because every corpse you come across will have a few rounds of that.


55fa0d No.589517

>>589461

That's exactly what I said. The only time there is a problem is with RIFLE powders, SLOW BURNING if you read what I wrote. So yeah, I didn't say rifle cartridges so much as the dynamics of low loads of slow burning powder, and there appears to be evidence and concern from powder makers and other reloaders.

I myself know that small charges of fast burning powders in rifle cases can be safe and fun, because fast burning powders do not have the problem and the same dynamics. I've got a video I made somewhere of throwing lead slugs out of a very large cartridge case with very small loads of pistol powders and working up loads to find accuracy. Red Dot and Unique are old favorites that work in almost every rifle caliber for plinking, small doses of Bullseye have been well documented for ultra light "starter" loads for basement practice shooting in 38 Special cases almost down to less then a grain of powder, with the only concern being the squib.

Blue Dot and 2400 are considered relatively slow because they are shotgun/pistol powders, but are objectively fast burning. Once you start loading rifles with true dedicated rifle powders, then the concerns of light loads blowing up is very, very real. No matter how many cast bullets I throw out of my Safari rifle with 10.5 grains of Red Dot doesnt' change the fact that jacketed bullets I shoot at normal loads with true rifler powders can be dangerous if I let those loads drop too much.

The man asking the question was asking about jacketed bullets with a purebred rifle powder. On the burn rate chart, H335 is in the middle, slower than IMR 4198 but faster than IMR 4895, 4198 being used for lighter loads and cast bullets and 4895 being a high power powder. It is close to IMR 3031 which has been used in 45-70 Gubmit at various loads. All things considered, its safer to side on the side of caution with this load and try to remain within suggested limits so that you don't end up being one of those who get to experience this rare phenemona.


41a2d4 No.589520

>>589516

.22 Rem Jet is .357 necked down to .224 and there have been plenty of revolvers chambered in it during it's hayday. You'd just have to have something close to an X-Frame with that long a cylinder/high pressures.


0ca99b No.589529

>>589497

What about rus-mil.com? They've got a Gorka-5 for sale on this link that looks really good. I think if I take the lining out it won't be sweltering since they're supposed to be breathable fabric. Good to know I can go to grey-shop though.

https://rus-mil.com/shop/clothes/gorka-5-suit-in-olive-with-fleece-removable-lining/#magnific/0/

Think Gorka-5 is the most recent too so it does solve the issue.


ffdd91 No.589531

File: aeb36032f942a9c⋯.jpg (192.87 KB, 1300x1197, 1300:1197, C134W5.jpg)

>>589298

>Anything Spain-Spanish is commie faggotry, and you'll probably end up killing your own people in the next civil war that breaks out if you join the Spanish Legion.

Well spain is in a shitty (political, social and economical) situation right now, and with their new commie government, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some sort of catalonian uprising in the next 2-5 years, followed by a civil war. That would be the only scenario where I would see conflict.

>Live your life, fam. You're right in that you'd probably fail the tests for the FFL without prior military experience though.

I want to live my life but you dont how fucked this country is. Gun laws are cucked, education is cucked, the economy is fucked (since we are basically a welfare state), crime is rapidly approaching Mexico´s level, our police force is a fucking joke, we have our own El Justin Trudeau as president, And to make things worse Nicaragua is on the brink of anarchy and many nicas are coming as "refugees" to our already-dying-welfare-state. I wanted to harden myself up for the inevitable, for when SHTF and the government can no longer throw gibs to this chimps and it all comes crashing down. Hell you can say we are the equivalent of leafs, just located in central america.

>>589333

>Why was Costa Rica's army abolished, anyways? I cannot fathom what the point of such a move would be. Like, even microstates like fucking Monaco have some limited military capacity, why would CR get rid of theirs? I can't imagine that makes any sense from a political perspective. Generally those in power want more power, not less.

Because shortly after WWII, Costa Rica suffered a short yet brutal civil war in 1948 that left our military absolutely obliterated, so Figueres (the then head of the temporary military junta), seeing how it would take a fuckton of money to re-build the army, decided to completely abolish it as a permanent institution. but the other reason why he probably did it is because he was stupid enough to make a pact with the commies during the civil war, and he probably was afraid that after the conflict was over, the commies would've ousted him with what remained of the army, so he went and dismantled our army to prevent something like that, quite ironic since lite-socialists run our country now and they are burning it down

>No quiero un ejército de soldados, sino de educadores ("I dont want an army of soldiers, rather, of educators") - Jose Figueres Ferrer ironic because the absolute state of public education today is a total embarrasement, b-but muh free education..

>>589339

>Didn't you say you were a burger just 'on vacation' there?

lol no, youre confusing me with someone else

>Why would you want to get residency/ citizenship in a meme country?!

Because thats the only way I could enter the selection process in the Spanish Legion

>Are you hiding from law or something?

No.

>Or you just want to join some military no matter what?

To toughen myself up yes

>Well in that case I see no reason why one would prioritise joining the Spanish military and dying for commies over joining the French Legion and dying for niggers or US Army and dying for Israel.

Well I see it like this:

<Joining the US army

>Filled with niggers, women and hispanics, already a big redflag for me

>Will take me at least 5 years to get temporal/permanent residency since im a foreigner, 5 years wasted for getting ZOG's kiss of death

>>>>>>>Women

>since I would still be a resident rather than a citizen, my choices would be a lot more limited

>Im going to be sent to die, for (((their greatest ally)))

<Has better equipment than the Spanish and the French foreign legion

<Probably has the best training of the three (It will vary depending on the military branch one picks up)

>>>>>>>Dying for Greater Israel

<FFL

<No need for residency or citizenship, just a ticket to Paris and then head to Auvergne

>Will most likely be sent back home because I have no military background and because im >from a country with no army (they might see me as a potential-deserter)

<No women inside

>Underequipped lads

>Will most likely be sent to the Congo to die for niggers

>Overromanticized

>If you dont know french, youre not going to do much in the first year

<Spanish Legion

>Probably underequipped even more than the FFL

>Will serve a commie country that will most likely see internal strife in the next 3 years

<Might be able to kill commies in 3 years

>>>>>>>Women serving under the legion

>Training may be too soft, but I really dont know about the training inside

<Already fluent in spanish so no need to spend a year or two learning

<Might form a stronger sense of brotherhood with my "possible" company

>that uniform (kek)

>wtf with those hats lol

So thats why im more imclined towards the Spanish Legion, but I want to know if a spaniard can give me some info & recommendations about their legion


000000 No.589534

What is the best LEGAL knife to have while walking around in Chicago?

Besides a butter knife of course.


0d532a No.589543

File: a6564a1bd0a3b50⋯.png (140.64 KB, 1350x699, 450:233, How2baton.png)

>>589534

For fightan? Biggest spear-point, fixed blade knife that you can easily conceal and carry. For utility, either a Leatherman or Victorinox of your choosing depending on need and budget.

However, if you need self-defense and can't carry a gun a collapsible baton is a better option compared to a knife as it's far easier to keep your assailants at a distance with it.


fa6682 No.589553

File: 3e504a67f6e00f2⋯.jpg (503.72 KB, 1148x1086, 574:543, mcmp26.jpg)

I've got a beta c-mag that I want to sell. The merchants at the gun shop didn't want to give me a kosher deal, so I'm left to selling it on my own. The problem is that it's illegal in the bordering states. Would writing up a document of sale and taking a picture of the buyer's driver's license be enough to cover me legally? The serial number is originally in my name. I don't want to be held liable for any shooting sprees is all. It didn't require an FFL to ship originally.


52e187 No.589555

>>589553

Make no paper trail


0d532a No.589556

>>589553

>Would writing up a document of sale and taking a picture of the buyer's driver's license be enough to cover me legally?

Legally you don't need to do shit as long as A) it's not illegal for you to own it and B) it's illegal for you to sell it in the state you're currently in. There are stores on the NV/CA border that make a killing exactly what you're doing right now and unless NV bans high capacity magazines they're in the clear legally. If you're ultra-paranoid just insist on getting paid in cash and there's nothing to connect your buyer to you.


fa6682 No.589557

>>589556

>>589555

Thanks, noted.


000000 No.589558

>>589543

>For fightan?

Yes, for killing human beings.

>Biggest spear-point, fixed blade knife that you can easily conceal and carry.

>for self defense a collapsible baton is a better option compared to a knife

Okay so is the best thing for strictly self defense {that is not a gun and is street legal for chicago} a collapsible baton?

And is the best thing for killing human trash {that is not a gun and is street legal for chicago} is a big spear-point, fixed blade knife?


ee75a0 No.589559

>>589516

The BFR came in .30-30 and that thing aside from the size was pleasant to shoot.


0d532a No.589562

>>589558

>Okay so is the best thing for strictly self defense {that is not a gun and is street legal for chicago} a collapsible baton?

"Best" is opening up a can of worms but they're generally pretty good. And I'm not a lawyer but the quick reading I've done suggests batons aren't illegal in Chicago.

>And is the best thing for killing human trash {that is not a gun and is street legal for chicago} is a big spear-point, fixed blade knife?

Well Mr. FBI, speaking completely hypothetically, there are other considerations like balance, the hilt, the tang, the crossguard, and type of steel, but yes, in general a spearpoint knife is what you want. Just make sure it's a knife and not a dagger as daggers are illegal in Chiraq. I can't comment too much on design as I'm not a knife-fighter, but a couple things you should look for are a full tang, balanced where the blade meets the handle. Speaking of knife-fighters, focus more on training rather than equipment if your intent is to kill someone (hypothetically of course). It doesn't matter if you had Tibetan monks custom forge a knife for you imbued with the soul of Jim Bowie himself, it doesn't mean shit if you don't train.


1d93a7 No.589569

File: c39cbccc647bc7f⋯.jpeg (30.29 KB, 720x500, 36:25, serveimage (2).jpeg)

File: 1018b00b7c5af71⋯.jpeg (314.05 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, serveimage (1).jpeg)

Anybody have one of the canik cz clones?

Is the turkshit worth the savings, or is it just actual shit?


c699ba No.589570

>>589569

Turkshit works just fine.

The only downside is that it's turkshit.


1d93a7 No.589573

>>589570

Thanks, I'll check them out further


60c5f1 No.589575

File: 201f5cbc4a9483a⋯.png (144.09 KB, 400x310, 40:31, 150715-2T.png)

>>589558

i really want a 44 magnum revolver. I want to conceal carry 44 magnum and am thinking of this exact gun.

is it worth it?


55fa0d No.589584

>>589575

If you don't like the strong magnum loads, you can look for the strong 44 Special loads. I'm not going to look it up at this time, but I remember there being medium 44 Magnum and 44 low loads to expand the field for self defense or police work, not sure if the light loads are still around today. If you keep it around for target fun and learn to reload for 44 Special I don't see how buying it at the very least would be regrettable. If you can handle the big loads it could be a very decent choice for self defense.


be3d06 No.589586

>>582940

>>589575

Top hat carry

>>582992

Reinforce your doors/door frames. Don't have hollow doors, obviously, but don't believe a solid heavy door cannot be kicked in. Door jams that screw into the floor work well. Put roses or any thorn bush below you windows. Have motion activated flood lights. Don't leave anything outside your house that a nigger could hide behind. FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK DO NOT DO NOT HAVE GLASS ANYWHERE NEAR A LOCK. No large glass windows either.

If SHTF your fancy fenced in house is getting fucked first. Don't look like you are hiding wealth & yes your tiny wireless security nodes are noticeable.

>>589553

Bust a nut in the mag to claim it as your own, then have your buyer do the same.

>>589446

Carry around a cloak & dagger.

Seriously though, unless your have a lot of experience working with chainmail, or sewing Kevlar buy some.

>>589338

Slugs if you want to keep the pelt. AK for fun factor.


52e187 No.589589

>>589586

How hard is it to make chainmail yourself?


515ce6 No.589593

>>588654

I love how the White man on the third pic is depicted as having trigger discipline while the nigger kid doesn't have any, even though it's not a real gun. Does the left really hate us or do they somehow secretly admire our ways of actually not acting like uncontrollable savages?


55fa0d No.589594

>>589593

> Progressives put huge amounts of time and money targeting abortion at blacks and wanting to reduce their population as part of eugenics

> Progressives love niggers

Pick one


6d7c99 No.589603

File: cdeaef91b9b1fcf⋯.jpg (878.4 KB, 1242x827, 1242:827, SADF 1.jpg)

File: 0002a6f84926ffc⋯.jpg (1.11 MB, 2016x1512, 4:3, SADF 2.JPG)

Ordered this as soon as saw that the collector's vest was in stock. It has the old metallic smell, similar to when I was touring old WW2 ships. I saw there is supposed to be something sown into the smoke grenade pouch, but it was all balled up into a mesh.

How do I properly clean it?

How should I store?

If I get any tears along the seams, would regular sowing be the best thing for it?


edca68 No.589604

How should a sword be balanced? Should the center of gravity be in the middle of the hilt? One third the way down the blade? The pommel?


28debf No.589615

>>589589

I knew someone who did it in their spare time. You can buy the rings, and you just bend them together with needle nose pliers in each hand. Time consuming, and if you set out to forge the tiny rings yourself from fence wire or something the quality will likely suffer, but mostly it's tedious.

It's also awesome. My wife bought a dice-bag from that friend for my christmas gift one year.

>>589604

Depends exclusively on how you want to wield the sword, and what you're trying to hit.

Baseball bats balance at the middle of the last third, towards the outer tip. Some two-handed swords did this too, for bashing through shields. But fencing sabers have their balance just past the hilt, because one-handed maneuverability was critical to proving your were a skilled gentleman.

I think most machetes are a little closer to the hilt than the middle of the blade, so you can spend all day wielding it against unarmed opponents (sugar cane, jungle vines, what have you) and still expect to cleave through in the first strike.


05e8d8 No.589617

>>584966

>>584975

>>584980

i can see why tilting barrel might be good enough for a service pistol, but what about things like ISPC?

wouldn't the acuracy be and advantage?


edca68 No.589634

>>589615

Let's say a rapier. Are they balanced the same way as fencing sabers?


8e00a3 No.589639

>>589299

Sorry for the late reply.

Thanks for your input. I might check with a local church but I'm really not affiliated with any. Cheers for the suggestions though. Gives me a better idea of what to look for.


ee75a0 No.589641

>>589529

Haven't a clue on em.

>>589603

Might have been a grenade pull that was in it at one point.

>How do I properly clean it?

If muddy, let dry then brush it off. If its really fucking messy, a bar of clothing soap for tough shit and some water.

>How should I store?

Get a sturdy coat hanger.

>If I get any tears along the seams

Poly reinforced thread if you somehow wreck that thing.


be3d06 No.589683

>>589589

Go clip an entire box of paperclips together. Now imagine forging rings & welding them together.


000000 No.589748

Why whenever military career is discussed here or on /pol/, everyone talks about enlisted careers? All you gotta do is have a college degree and you can go to officer school instead. Isn't that a much better deal than enlisting?


96f192 No.589784

File: 1985d6e07a41bff⋯.jpg (220.15 KB, 990x672, 165:112, 345.jpg)

How can someone completely annihilate a police anti-riot block without the use of firearms?

pic related the kind of blocks I'm talking about.

They are absolute subhumans, every last one of them. My people are rightfully rioting against the commies and these retarded tincans are protecting them and they're using chemicals, plastic bullets and flash grenades even on women and children.

Are molotov cocktails the only effective way against these fucks? Is burning them to a crisp unavoidable? No other practical way available?


2145f9 No.589789

File: 0d9c4aa07cc6821⋯.webm (7.91 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, euromaiden.webm)

>>589784

If Euromaidan is anything to go by, you gotta use fire and various types of non-lethal grenades to dislodge them from their positions, you aren't going to kill them but if they get too scared to deal with you (due to the risk of being killed/injured) then you've pretty much won, as like Euromaidan, they will just stop turning up for work in the morning.


96f192 No.589791

>>589789

So use simple cheap molotovs then? What about legitimate homemade napalm? Or is that too extreme? I'm worried they will be able to put out the fires.


ee75a0 No.589793

File: 8c8284498c7f703⋯.png (2.32 MB, 1500x1500, 1:1, In the court of the Clanki….png)

>>589784

Greece, you're honestly asking how to defeat stuff like this? I mean you perfected it years ago with Greek Fire, nowadays you just toss a molotov and hope it bursts on their head/above them, kevlar and polymers does not do well when its on fire. The Great Clanking has some good footage of riot police burning to death.


96f192 No.589794

>>589793

I know that very well leafbro, but I wanted to know if there was any other way. Looks like not. Fire it is then. Napalm once again proves to be the ultimate weapon against gommunism.

>The Great Clanking

Never heard of this, please do explain.


ec28a7 No.589799

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>589784

>>589791

>>589794

Ram 'em with a car. Preferably not yours.


ee75a0 No.589800

>>589794

As the MSM would call it maidan anyone who knows anything call it the clankening or the great ukranian tire fire of 2014.


2145f9 No.589802

File: fd83ad3f84a4e85⋯.jpg (1.27 MB, 1736x3000, 217:375, 1390780689972.jpg)

>>589791

I won't go into it too much because lolthoughtpolice but anything that pushes them back would work, they aren't fire proof and humans are scared of fire.

>>589794

>Never heard of this, please do explain.

Euromaidan


ee75a0 No.589803

File: 7ac494785cf8fba⋯.jpg (250.12 KB, 850x564, 425:282, 1390525023069.jpg)

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>>589802

My nigga


96f192 No.589804

>>589799

Absolute madman!

>>589800

I never searched much information about it until now. The fucking commie tincans actually opened live fire on the protesters? This is fucking ridiculous! I'd fucking burn them all with napalm cocktails and shoot the rest with my saiga


ee75a0 No.589806

>>589804

The Bekrut were pretty fucking far from communist though, I mean they were fighting pro-EUSSR faggots.


96f192 No.589808

>>589806

Wasn't the whole thing about the zog government wanting to ally with NATO and the EU rather than Russia or something? Sorry, never gave this incident much thought.


ee75a0 No.589811

>>589808

More of an NGO funded by soros getting a fuckton of people to throw out the government so they could have a Pro-EU one, i.e more unpayable loans to Brussels the greek treatment. Unfortunately said aforementioned man didn't realized the south-east would flip their shit at said change of government and everything since then has been war.


2145f9 No.589812

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>>589803

I miss 2012-2015 /pol/ so much.

>>589804

The rioters were pro-EU (granted that just means pro-gibs if you are eastern european) and the cops were putin shills for the most part, Ukrainian Nationalists got back stabbed after fighting on the streets for weeks in the end.

look at the anti EU 1993 Riots in Denmark, the police killed 6 people and injured 11 more to maintain the EU hold on the country after forcing them to vote on a treaty twice


96f192 No.589815

>>589811

>>589812

If that's the case then basically we shouldn't give a shit about the rioters, correct? Anyone who sides with the EUSSR is scum.


ee75a0 No.589816

>>589815

The riot itself was a pretty /k/ thing, slavs doing slavshit making a fucking mess out of nice things for the sake of it.


2145f9 No.589819

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>>589815

The whole thing was a mess, the lads on the streets were mostly Nationalists who got fucked over by politicians making deals while they literally died in the streets, there's a Ukrainebro that could tell you more since I never really got that into it, I just like the pictures from it.


c104f0 No.589823

>>589819

> the lads on the streets were mostly Nationalists who got fucked over

You must extremely gullible or in denial to not see the trap over the cheese in that one. It was called EUROmaidan fora fucking reason. No fucking self-respecting self-proclaimed nationalist with an IQ of over 80 even negotiates with fucking EU-SSR.


2145f9 No.589827

>>589823

A lot of the Eastern European far-right/Nationalist parties are very pro-EU for some reason, might be the gibs.


60c5f1 No.589835

>>589584

>44 special

nah friend, I'm buying it specifically for magnum loads


6b5806 No.589901

Do spent cartridges still have fingerprints?


d0013b No.589912

I'm buying a P226

Should I go 9mm or .357?


bf5fe4 No.589915

File: 37538983e1921c3⋯.jpg (95.9 KB, 1000x750, 4:3, the autism squad.jpg)

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Anyone know any reproduced muskets (i.e. smoothbore) that are fair-to-high quality and are relatively cheap? They can be flintlock, matchlock, whatever, as long as it is legally considered an "antique firearm" under CalifagI hate this state and want to leave ;_; law.

Please help.


6b5806 No.589924

>>589912

Look up some videos comparing the cartridges. .357 will be more expensive and harder to come by.


96f192 No.589934

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>>589915

I look at these pictures and realize that these people aren't even the problem. Webm related exists but we keep focusing on the wrong kind of cancer.


876cd2 No.589960

>>546766 (OP)

How can you rifle a plumbing pipe with household tools?

>>589934

The worst part was that the most vocal fursecution-obsessed faggot in pre-GG /int/ was a gyrofag that was self-hating for being Greek (because Greece is "backwards" cause none accepts his faggotry and there are no furcons to go around).

>>585511

Haven't seen the Pokemon cartoon since 2001 but somehow I know that smug is from it.

Am I turning into a weeb?


2145f9 No.589982

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>>589915

>bongland

>99c

>$


7147f3 No.589983

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>>589915

>bongland

>currency is clearly in dollars and cents


805b44 No.589990

>>589983

It's probably Canada.


fb3477 No.589994

>>589960

>How can you rifle a plumbing pipe with household tools?

Rifling button and a hydraulic press.


2145f9 No.589999

>>589990

It's Australia, "homebrand" is part of Woolworths and they only operate in Aussieland now.


805b44 No.590002

>>589994

It's not quite that simple, you still need a way to make sure the button rotates at a constant, pre-specified rate. Maybe you could nigger-rig a motor on which you attach the button but you'd still need to make sure that said motor is powerful enough to turn even while under massive pressure.


bf5fe4 No.590026

>>589983

>>589982

America isn't the only country that uses the dollar. Considering the 99 has a "c", instead of "¢", it's likely Canadian.

We're allowed to buy plastic guns. Why wouldn't we be allowed to buy plastic knives? I know having your shit kicked in by jerries so badly, you needed mulattos to come save you (again) sucks, but you don't have to be cunts about it.


bf5fe4 No.590027

>>589999

Waste of digits.


0d532a No.590069

What's the historical commonality that caused both the ZANU/ZAPU in Rhodesia and the NV/VC in Vitenam to be referred to as "gooks?"


96f192 No.590079

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Talking of riots, what would the ideal protection loadout look like? How do you make yourself the death incarnate against police's plastic bullets, chemicals, flash grenades and clubs?

In a completely fictional scenario where you had to arm a group of people to make them capable of breaking the anti-riot blocks, what would you arm them with? How much would it cost if we had to let's say get equipment for roughly 50 people?


678d52 No.590097

>>590079

Assuming a fictional event.

Nomex suit, proper full face gasmask with appropriate filters for OC/CS spray, armed with spears and molotovs and some sort of shield.

You got fifty guys with molotovs and spears, most cops will shit themselves when they come bum rushing.


863b64 No.590105

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>>590079

I'm assuming this is without the use of guns since this style of riot is likely happening in a gun-confiscated zone. Therefore…

Old decommissioned fire truck with the water reserves replaced with oil (or better yet, wax-gasoline mixture). Arm the commie rioters with boom-style fireworks, molotovs, cans of mace w/zipties, and maybe homemade thermite grenades or magnesium strips with ignition sources. Monster can smoke grenades are optional, but should be made with either eye irritants or sulphur powders. Side-arms will be knoifes, billyclubs, and lead pipes (or other bludgeoning instruments of choice).

For defense, the front lines will carry a peaceful sign displaying their message of love and tolerance™ while actually being sheet metal roadblocks that can be dropped at a moment's notice to produce a vision barrier capable of preventing line-of-sight/seeing what they're doing, and for being resistant to rubber bullets/water cannons. Uniforms will consist of at bare minimum spraypaint masks/lab-grade safety goggles to prevent mace-in-eyes syndrome, and hard-shell jackets that are possibly well-oiled to provide water-resistance. Jackets might optionally contain some sort of foam material to dampen the effects of plastic bullets, clubs, etc. Those not on the front line will carry some sort of lightweight shields (likely made of plywood and aluminum foil to be both light and reflective) to provide visual cover and to knock back flash grenades/chemical grenades and the like.

Ideally the protesting faction will remain vigilant and compliant with their "fire" arms kept in their backpacks & use the fire truck as a means of spreading their message/acting as a bunker. Upon provocation by enemy forces, they will become rowdy and start throwing rocks and other nigger-tier shit until riot police show up as to cause maximum damage (some fireworks might be used up until this point).

At the point riot police show up, they will be sprayed with oil and lit on fire via molotovs/fireworks. At this point general niggery will commence as the front-line barrier and shields are used to push back riot police until the national guard or army is called in. They will of course grab police weapons as they drop them and redirect them on the opposition while they hoot, holler, and loot nearby local businesses that have nothing to do with the incident. Once all fuel has been dispersed and molotovs/fireworks are gone, smoke grenades and police weapons will be used to cover their movements and, as commie faggots would put it, "bash the fash" while making a mad break to escape the lethal forces coming in to kill them.


ee75a0 No.590106

>>590069

Charlies it obvious why you'd call em gooks, floppies got called gooks because some folk were vets of Englands disaster known as SE Asia 1939-1944.


60c5f1 No.590108

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>>589983

stay mad, kike


489c49 No.590113

>>590108

These manage to be more unfunny and even more low effort than the originals.


60c5f1 No.590117

>>590113

>if I call it low effort my ass will cool off

>Brazil

what a shitty ass country


863b64 No.590122

>>590117

You could at least post

>Fixie bike

If you're gonna shitpost anyways.

>>590113

The entire goblin meme has felt forced and unfunny since it started.


863b64 No.590124

>>590122

But that was kind of the point because of "whiter than you Muhammad" posters*


2b9834 No.590143

Why are you helping the Aussies getting their gun rights back? You are endangering the people lives. Shame on you.


96f192 No.590153

>>590097

>>590105

Perfect, thanks lads. I will also add some protective gear to the fictional budget.


478891 No.590169

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>590002

This guy solved it by making the button long enough to rotate by itself, then bangs it through the pipe with a hammer.

In another vid he makes the button using only a dremel to prove that possible as well.


805b44 No.590178

>>590169

Huh, that's pretty cool.


462e62 No.590200

>>590143

>endangering the people lives

Australian wildlife does that enough already.


ec28a7 No.590559

>>590200

That gets me thinking, why did Aussies never try weaponizing the nightmarish wildlife of their homeland?


0d532a No.590563

>>590559

Their Emu masters don't allow it.


01d47e No.590654

Hello, /k/. I'm a noob from a country where the only way to see a working gun is to be shot at, though i try to learn things. I've been lurking for a while and notice that there are plenty of people here who dislike the 9mm. Why? Doesn't it allow larger capacity, speeds that allow penetration of IIIa body armor in certain loads and more handleable recoil to compensate for loss of stopping power?


0d532a No.590671

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>590654

You're opening a big, fat, can of worms, kid. But I'll try to summarize it.

>Doesn't it allow larger capacity

It does, but there's such a thing as diminishing returns. In identically sized guns, you get 13 rounds of .40/.357 SIG vs 16 rounds of 9mm, which when you look at how many rounds you're liable to actually fire in a confrontation isn't that big of an advantage. The capacity advantage of 9mm is significant when compared to single stacks, but not when compared to other double stacks.

>speeds that allow penetration of IIIa body armor in certain loads

Body armor penetration isn't my specialty but I know enough to realize 9mm is far from the best choice. For a dedicated penetrator you need a necked-down cartridge like .357 SIG.

>and more handleable recoil

Embed related is a video made by Paul Harrell Comparing .40 S&W to 9mm. Among other things, he shows that the speed of follow-up shots between the two is indistinguishable.


e1ac86 No.590677

>>590671

Thx for reply.

>For a dedicated penetrator you need a necked-down cartridge like .357 SIG.

It seems like a point in versatility for me, i've seen a vid of some hollow point 9mm penetrating IIIA, along with tokarev, cannot find it now.

>The capacity advantage of 9mm is significant when compared to single stacks

Does that mean that 9mm is better fitted for concealed carry?

It seems to me like an general-purpose round, same as what rifles are for the army(quote from one of the threads here), though maybe if i had any experience with guns outside from videos and texts it wouldn't be a question.


0d532a No.590695

>>590677

>hollowpoint

>penetrating IIIA

I'm just a little doubtful of that.

>Does that mean that 9mm is better fitted for concealed carry?

Could you explain what you mean by that? When I was talking about double vs single stack, I was talking about full-size pistols, namely that the 9's capacity advantage only really mattered when comparing it to single-stack full-size pistols like the Fuddy Five 1911. In general though, what's "better suited" for concealed carry depends entirely on you and the limits of your situation, so you can't definitively say whether a certain round is good for CC or not.

>It seems to me like an general-purpose round

Eh, personally I wouldn't say so. It's a century-old design that makes far too many compromises in too many areas. Judging by your reply time you haven't watched the Harrell video yet, but I think the data he presents shows that as a "general purpose" round, .40 S&W works much better compared to 9mm. In my personal opinion however, .357 SIG works better than both of them.


63ec42 No.590704

>>590695

>I'm just a little doubtful of that.

Here, i found it.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Nr6h44Pu4sM

>Could you explain what you mean by that?

I thought that for concealment single stack is a necessity, so 9mm would be more beneficial. I guess i'm wrong, sorry.

> It's a century-old design that makes far too many compromises in too many areas.

Well, it might be what i meant, its kind of a "master of none" from my understanding. Though when i watch the vid i might find out where i'm autistic.


60c5f1 No.590705

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>>590654

obvious troll but i enjoy pissing off 9mm shills

>speeds that allow penetration of IIIa body armor in certain loads

+p 9mm will not penetrate body armor

that +p+ 115 Federal load might penetrate level II

>more handelable recoil

only if you never shoot your guns

>larger capacity

a Glock 19 has, what, 15 rounds? My .357 Sig p320 holds 14 rounds. The p229 13 rounds. It's a meaningless point.

the only thing 9mm has going for it is that you can find fmj for 18-20 cents per round if you look hard enough. That's why 9mm is popular: most people are not gun people, don't give a shit about guns, and buy a "9mm" because fudd behind the counter regurgitated those platitudes you listed to them, and most of all because they saw the ammo price, so they buy it, bring it to the range once every 3 months if they're committed, and stuff it in a drawer somewhere or in their purse or glove box.

Ballistically 9mm is inferior in every way to .40, .357 Sig, 10mm. 357 magnum.

Me? My life is worth a few more cents per round.


63ec42 No.590707

>>590705

Isn't .40 hated for being a 10mm for weaklings?


0d532a No.590714

>>590704

>Here, i found it.

Like I said before, body armor isn't my specialty, but the thing about using this kind of demo to show the efficacy of 9mm is that you're using a snowflake projectile that's less than half the mass of most 9mm bullets in a +P loading, then comparing that to "standard" .40 and .357 loads. If you used that same kind of ammunition in .40 or .357 you'd see even better results than the 9.

>Well, it might be what i meant, its kind of a "master of none" from my understanding.

I can see where you're going with that, but the thing about 9mm is that it makes compromises when it doesn't need to, most notably capacity–as the video shows .40 has ~20% less capacity than 9mm (at best) but almost double the effectiveness against hard targets.

>>590707

Kind of, but there are two things about that. First, even if .40 S&W is a less effective 10mm it's still better than 9mm. Second, there are limitations to 10mm besides the recoil, most notably size–double stack 10mm pistols are THICC, and that makes them harder to hold and harder to conceal.


85312f No.590717

>>590714

>that it makes compromises when it doesn't need to

Oh, okay, thanks for clarifying.

>If you used that same kind of ammunition in .40 or .357 you'd see even better results than the 9.

Well, i'll trust you on that, i know even less about that.

I think i mostly got it, thanks for explaining.


0d532a No.590722

>>590717

>Well, i'll trust you on that, i know even less about that.

Well, think about it this way–that 9mm load got better-than-expected penetration because it was a very light-for-caliber projectile going very fast. But if you take that same lightweight projectile and put it into .357 SIG, the extra powder means it will go even faster and will have even better penetration.


4f8e7b No.590723

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

Paul actually has a video where he had some success using 9mm in a PCC against 3A (starting at about 8:30), but that might not be typical and the test probably isn't very scientific either. I don't know that much about body armor so I might also be missing something else. In any case .357 Sig would be better against armor.


0d532a No.590724

>>590722

To expand on this, you see how at the end of the video posted in >>590704, MAC fires FMJ, surplus 7.62 Tok and it BTFOs that plate even harder than the special snowflake 9mm? That's similar to what you would see with a .35\ SIG.


9729f4 No.590726

>>590722

Well, i do not understand how weight/speed/caliber/projectile length/powder/etc affects effectiveness to judge. Is bottlenecked cartridge good for handguns?


55fa0d No.590731

>>590726

The smaller the caliber, the less surface frontal area of the bullet, the less resistance it has against things is strikes, this helps it pierce through things be decreasing resistance, it especially helps in barriers and soft body armor, even steel armor. Velocity is important because it helps with energy, and also the rate at which the projectile punches through the material is very important, even in the milliseconds we are considering, lower velocity allows the material to sometimes flex and spread energy over a larger area, this dissipation helps decrease penetration, higher velocity means it can punch through the material faster than the material can react, this helps in penetration.

Weight helps in creating energy, also momentum to keep pushing the bullet as it loses kinetic force as it resists the armor. Although velocity is very important in many cases, especially soft armor, weight and its power and momentum are very important as well.

7.62 Tokarev and FN's 5.7 are good against soft armor because they have small diameter bullets which means very little resistance, they also have high velocity which helps to punch through the soft body armor fibers faster than the fibers can stretch, spread energy, react to the bullet and stop it. 45 ACP can be stopped by many soft armors (even if they cause decent blunt force trauma to the wearer even if the bullet does not pass, and damages the armor) because of its large diameter and thus large frontal surface area, as well as low velocity. 44 Magnum can be stopped by IIIa for the same reason, the frontal area of the bullet helps to spread enough force to keep it from punching through.

.355-357 sits in the middle, not nearly as big as the big bores, but also far larger than the smaller pistol calibers. Even when high velocity is achieved in this bullet diameter range, they suffer heavily from the large frontal surface area, so that even some higher velocity and higher energy bullets have a tough time piercing the soft armor. They can punch through certain armors with certain rounds under certain conditions, but they are a poorer performer than the smaller calibers in this regard.

Without a doubt, 357 Sig, 357 Magnum will easily surpass 9mm, more velocity and energy, they have far more potential. Which brings us to the final consideration…

Bullet shape. Obviously, sharper bullets are better at piercing than duller bullets. 45 ACP ball is better than 9mm ball for terminal performance against tissue because it has both larger frontal surface area which resists and crushes more tissue, military 45 ball also has a "duller" rounder shape which resists more, 9mm ball has a much sharper end, all in all, this makes a difference in penetration. This also means 45 ACP ball has another disadvantage against it in piercing armor, many smaller calibers have much "sharper" shaped bullets which will help them pierce the armor. 357 magnum has lots of power, velocity, but the standard flatter nose bullets that tend to be used in that caliber, while being vastly superior in terms of performance in tissue, degrades its performance in soft armor. Hollow points will only help to decrease performance against armor because they catch material, also "dull" the frontal shape of the bullet.

With specialty rounds the 357 Sig and Magnum could easily defeat soft armor, even 9mm, if you could get them to feed right in an autoader. Keep in mind, again, that AP rounds are poor against tissue; even if you pierce the armor, or if you face an unarmored opponent, the sharper pistol AP bullets would have inferior performance against the attacker in the armor, or without it.


63ec42 No.590739

>>590731

yeah, i figured that shape of the bullet determines how good it is at penetrating, with less being more deadly against tissue. I guess the round diameter is also about this. It's hard to find the better balance between them, which are the most important factors for handgun rounds? Most stopping power, enough recoil and compact size?


55fa0d No.590758

>>590739

Its a long answer, but a topic worth exploring. First, we have to ask ourselves, what do we carry and why do we carry it?

For those that must carry a small conceal weapon, for whatever various reasons, compact size and reduced recoil are often considered more important. Small, lightweight guns are hard to control with big calibers or powerful rounds, even many who like 357 Magnum and have a 357 Magnum snubby might one day choose 38 Special loads for better control. Compact auto loaders see very small capacity if they choose a large caliber, this helps to steer them towards 9mm or 380 over 40 and 45 ACP. The limits of your firearm determine the maximums of your choices first and foremost. Some people can handle a 44 Special Bulldog revolver, with the further limit of 5 shots, and might see that as ideal for their situation, others may choose 9mm to get that extra round or two in their autoloader even if they prefer more powerful cartridges in full size duty pistols and revolvers.

As for standard duty pistols and revolvers, I think the reality of history has taught us what things are valuable. Effective 'stopping power" which means terminal performance against tissue is very important, the endless stories of poorly shaped, small and even medium caliber pistol rounds that don't expand failing to even slow down enemies is very real. Bullets that don't penetrate deep enough to hit vitals can be close to worthless in a fight, bullets that punch through vessels and blood bearing organs that do minimal damage can lead to bleedouts that simply take too much time, and don't disable the attacker soon enough to save the life or limb or the person being attacked or being defended. Terminal performance is most important at least in terms of meeting minimal requirements over the other issues in general duty ammunition.

Recoil is brought up and is probably the lest important, depending on the individual involved. Some people can handle 44 Special heavy loads fine in a combat revolvers, believe or not, no matter what "shoot small, hit big" proponent lying sacks of shit will say. Some people can't handle big guns and powerful cartridges, but then again why are they carrying, they should maybe not be considered for combat roles or other important front line considerations, but they will carry guns for self defense so this should be considered in their cases as well. But we should not cripple our choices on best cartridge based on the limp wristed inability of some shooters, instead we should push the cartridge that most capable people should handle without a problem as ideal. All major combat pistol rounds, 9mm, 357 Sig, 40 S&W, 10mm, 45 ACP, 357 Magnum, can be shot and controlled, follow up shots can be made quickly and effectively with each. Much of the complaints of "recoil" come from bellyachers, whiners, complainers, bitchers, and moaners. People will also defend lesser choices in handgun rounds by saying "less recoil means even faster followup shots" but the first rounds and their effectiveness are more important, also there are those who can follow up with 40, 45 just as fast as many 9mm shooters. It can be overcome, it is the least of our concerns; carry the most powerful thing you can personally handle.

The caveat here is that 10mm might be too much form some average people. That's why they make mild 10mm, not everything is maxed out, balls out 10mm. 44 Magnum is a great cartridge, has potential in combat revolver, but in full power its too much for follow up shots, loaded down it can be moderated to absolute great results. There is a line where recoil is very important, but its beyond normal combat pistol calibers in full size pistols and revolvers. If full house 10mm is too much, find a lighter load, same thing with 41 magnum (if you still carry one, God bless you and your theoretically perfect choice) 44 Magnum. Nobody carries 50 AE because, yes, recoil makes it unwieldy. In theory someone who is tough enough could carry a 500 S&W Magnum, in theory, and have a gun poweful enough to disable attackers in one halfways decent shot. Still, nobody does because you have 5 shots and one helluva recovery from each round.


55fa0d No.590762

>>590739

Compact size of cartridge comes back to haunt us once again in full size revolvers and pistols. The same size autoloader can carry far more rounds in 9mm than 45, even more than 357 Sig, 40 and 10mm. If you are still int he world of combat revolvers, the modern changes S&W has done has brought us the 8 shot N frame in 357 Magnum, 2 more shots than the 6 shot 44 Magnum of the same frame. Capacity can't rule over us, we can't just say "this has one more round in a standard magazine of the same size so thereofre its automatically superior" or "20 rounds is always better than 15, right?" yet we can't disregard the advantage of that extra bullet or bullets in our carry gun. Capacity is real, but it should not dictate our every single move and decision. 12 shot MK23 in 45 ACP enough rounds with a decent cartridge? Is 9 too few? Is 13 enough?

I like the Mk23, it shows that if you carry a super full size heavy gun you can have decent capacity, at the kind of size cartridge that is at the very end of the spectrum. Again, carry the biggest gun you can carry as well, the bigger it is the easier it is to control fire follow up shots, the higher capacity you get from simply having a longer standard magazine from the bigger gun. A K frame will carry 6 shots of 357 Magnum, a L frame 7, and a N frame 8. At some point a huge frame 45 ACP might have the same amount of rounds in the magazine as a compact 9mm. If you have hand size problems, I understand you. But carry the biggest gun you can carry, easier to fit more rounds than downsize to fit more rounds into a smaller gun in some cases.

Ammunition and cartridge, gun, should all be based on current common threats, carjackers, criminals, robbers, brigands, highwaymen, drug addicts, drug dealers, smugglers, assholes, violent thugs, ect, fill in the blank.

Specialty handguns for armor piercing have their place back in the armory where they are held for special scenarios. We don't base our general duty ammunition on exceptions, but on the rules.

45 ACP will never die because it performs far too well to ever dismiss, but the ideal of the 41 Magnum, 10mm, 357 Magnum and 357 Sig will always keep being pushed as well, high energy rounds with expanding bullets can compete with big bores, at least perform extremely well in their own right, and their smaller diameters and higher velocity offers them better barrier penetration, making them "perfect" in all regards for fighting. 9mm will never die either, especially with improved bullets to make their terminal performance better. The high power medium bore will continue to face opposition from both directions, for many reasons.


9729f4 No.590783

>>590762

That's amazing info, thank you.

>In theory someone who is tough enough could carry a 500 S&W Magnum

Is there a kill like overkill though?

>Nobody carries 50 AE because, yes, recoil makes it unwieldy.

In theory, if everyone could handle the recoil, would anyone carry it, if the round/gun size is taken into consideration?

>theoretically perfect choice

Why? Wouldn't it better be to choose something more powerful, if i could handle it? I don't actually know because the only gun i ever held was a cheap pneumatic rifle, the worst one you could ever find in a 3rd world country.

I've watched your vid, as well as 357sig vs 40sw, and they performed pretty similar, with 357 being significantly faster, so 357 is just an improved 9x19 with more space for powder. Can we expect a cartridge that is to 357 what 357 is now to 9mm in the future, or is it a straight improvement from 9mm? Why did 9mm become so popular?

From what i got, power>capacity when it comes to semi auto handgun choice.

>Specialty handguns for armor piercing have their place back in the armory where they are held for special scenarios. We don't base our general duty ammunition on exceptions, but on the rules.

It's a bit strange, from what i got here, 5.7 is just an inferior round, no matter if it is used against armor or not. The best you can get is to defeat soft body armor, while hard one will still be left for the rifles to deal with

Also, are there any differences in preference for submachine guns? Would it be better to design a round for their barrels with recoil handling in mind, or usual rounds will do? Is capacity more significant there?


3d9f5d No.590796

If I live in the US, I would probably carry something like the Glock 29 with underwood 10mm ammo.

In war, you need to have common ammo like 9mm, but for civie life when your handgun is all you EDC, You gotta get the best.


ab661d No.590824

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>590783

>Why did 9mm become so popular?

It was the German pistol cartridge for two world wars, and after the second one most Europeans countries had stockpiles of German weapons chambered for it, and they all came to the conclusion that it's good enough for their purposes. Also, the Chinks ordered lots of 9mm Hi-Powers from the Canucks that ended up in British service, and this calibre became the new standard of the Commonwealth. Not to mention that the STEN was also chambered for 9mm Parabellum. And of course West Germany kept it even after the Second World War. All of this together led to its adoption by NATO as the standard pistol cartridge, and so even the USA accepted it eventually. As did most countries outside of the commie block. Actually, since the fall of the USSR even the Russians switched to 9mm Parabellum.

With that said, there were actually other similar pistol cartridges developed around that time, most notably the 9x21mm Bergmann (used by Spain and Denmark) and the 9x21mm Steyr (used by Austria-Hungary and later Austria). The thing is, most other countries either didn't think of pistols as primary weapons and used even weaker cartridges like .25 ACP. Yes, they issued either oversized pocket pistol, or quite literally pocket pistols, as it was just something they to their officers. And they were other countries who looked at pistols as important manstoppers, most notably the USA and the UK. The former obviously stuck with .45 ACP, a cartridge designed to duplicate the performance of a .45 revolver cartridge in a self-loading pistol. And the Brits kept using their .455 Webley revolverd until they switched to 9mm Parabellum. The Soviets used 7.62 Tokarev (a hotter load of 7.62 Mauser, that itself being a hotter load of 7.62 Borchardt), but mostly as a cartridge for submachine guns.


ab661d No.590825

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>590783

>are there any differences in preference for submachine guns?

I must tell you that I won't actually answer your qeustion. With that said:

Recoil is such an issue for pistols because they don't have stocks, and so you have to rely only on your arms and posture to control them. Pistols with stocks were common for a reason in the first half of the previous century. Nowadays in law enforcement circles it's increasingly popular to use a drop-in chassis for pistols, just to give them a stock (look up pistol chassis). And "carbines" firing pistol cartridges are all the rage in the USA currently. I'm positively sure that even a petite girl wouldn't have a problem with a carbine chambered for 10mm Auto after some training.

Submachine guns obvioulsy have stocks, but we should take a look at their history too. Hugo Schmeisser credited as the inventor of both the submachine gun and the assault rifle, and for good reason: when he designed an automatic weapon for the Stormtroopers at the end of the First World War he wanted a cartridge light enough to be fired in full-auto from an unsupported position. But the German industry wasn't in a state to introduce a new cartridge, so he had to make use of what they had: 9mm Parabellum, the only cartridge they had with a light enough for the job. When the Second World War came and he had a chance to design the weapon he wanted, it came with the first issued intermediate cartridge: a cartridge that is stronger than what a pistol fires, but weaker than a rifle cartridge.

Of course, we can start arguing about how there were weapons before the MP-18 and the StG-44 that could be called the first submachine gun and the first assault rifle, but I think that's beside the point, as the Germans were the first to actually both develop develop and field these weapons in a war in a significant way. It's important, because since the MP-18 people think that there is a need for a shoulder-fired full-auto weapon that fires the standard pistol ammunition, even though since at least the 1930s several countries introduced hotter loads specifically for submachine guns. Often these loads would even damage their service pistol if they were used too often.

Currently submachine guns are in a strange place: since the adoption of intermediate cartridges they lost their place at the battlefield, and so they are currently used only by law enforcement. But law enforcement can use short-barreled assault rifles for more power; or they can use pistols in chassis, and only lose the full-auto capability. And full-auto itself is only useful for room clearing, and only against unarmoured opponents. Basically submachine guns are assault rifles that are limited by the need to fire pistol ammunition.


ab661d No.590828

>>590824

>7.62 Mauser

I feel like I'm losing my mind: I was positively sure that I typed 7.63 Mauser.

>>590825

>9mm Parabellum, the only cartridge they had with a light enough for the job.

That sentence should be:

<9mm Parabellum, the only cartridge they had with a light recoil enough for the job.


f4075e No.590831

>>590825

>>590825

As a fellow who owns a PCC that I can change the caliber on a whim 10mm kicks like 9mm does. I mean even the smallest framed folk can handle the fuck your shit loads. Also FA is also for point supressive fire, its how german NCO's used their mp40s innawar


0d532a No.590833

>>590726

>Is bottlenecked cartridge good for handguns?

In my autistic opinion, yes. Bottleneck cartridges give you very high velocity for caliber, which means better penetration and better hollowpoints, because hollowpoint expansion is velocity based. Bottleneck cartridges are a lot more reliable, too, because it's next to impossible to have a failure to feed with bottlenecks–the chamber headspaces on the case neck instead of the rim, which makes it a lot more forgiving towards bullets of different shapes and length.


bea2a8 No.590857

What's a good holster for concealed carry?


805b44 No.590859

>>590857

I like Crossbreeds, but for you the answer will depend on what gun you're carrying, where you want to carry it, how heavy your clothing is, and your own body shape. Once you've figured out what gun you'll be CCing, and where you'll be wearing it, go to your LGS and try a few different options on. See how comfortable they are, how much they print, speed of draw, and so on.


85312f No.590970

>>590825

Are intermediate cartridges not suited for short barrels? I've heard that 556 needs at least 18" barrel, isn't it the reason SMGs appeared?


a0de6b No.590976

>>590833

But what are disadvantages of them? Harder manufacturing? Less effective space usage? More weight? Why are most handgun cartridges straight, without almost any taper?


60c5f1 No.590983

>>590707

>.40 short and weak

9mm shill meme brought up when they know they can't defend the round they invested their ego in.

obviously a .40 is weaker than 10mm, and I'm sure .40 guys would gladly use 10mm if 10mm was loaded correctly by the major ammo manufacturers. Why isn't it? Well, why does .40 exist? Because FBI wanted 9mm recoil but Cooper's ballistics. If 9mm shills want to complain about the .40, they have no one to blame but themselves. What's amazing is how 9mm shills are so buttmad by .40 to this day that they actually suck 10mm dick even though 10mm exhibits all those "drawbacks" they assign to the .40 but even more so because it's a way stronger round.

I actually don't really hate the 9mm on it's own, it is the godawful 9mm fanbase that made me hate and enjoy hating the round.


c699ba No.590998

>>590983

It's called ".40 Short and Weak" because it's a neutered 10mm for the limpwristed.


ab661d No.591007

>>590831

>FA is also for point supressive fire, its how german NCO's used their mp40s innawar

But the primary weapon for suppression was the MG of the squad, one of the reasons they wanted the StG-44 was exactly because it was much easier to support the MG team with additional suppressive fire while it was reloading (or changing barrels) if everyone was capable of full-auto. So an assault rifle is also good for that, even better actually. After all, it was also supposed to be a submachine gun, or more like a self-loading rifle that can be used as a light machine gun.

>>590970

>Are intermediate cartridges not suited for short barrels?

That depends on the cartridge. If we use burger units, then the AK-74 has a 16.3" barrel and the AKS-74U has a mere 8.1". For comparison the M16 has a 20" and the M4 has 14.5.

>isn't it the reason SMGs appeared?

Either you are misinformed or using different terminology. Submachine guns fire pistol ammo, and appeared at the end of the First World War. Assault rifles fire intermdeiate cartridges, and they only appeared during the Second World War, and even after that it take a few decades for them to become truly widespread. And as I said before, submachine guns were mostly replaced by them. Is the Ukrainian terminology different?


ee75a0 No.591013

>>591007

Yes, the MG did the primary suppression, what I was saying is the SMG was for shooting shit while advancing/covering the MG team. Its like a game of jump frog.


b3e03d No.591020

>>591007

> M4 has 14.5.

But they fire the same rounds, right? So, wouldn't it be ineffective to use them in a shorter barrel? I man, you could just cut down m16 barrel to the length of aks-74u, but is it fine to use the same rounds as before? IFrom my understanding, handgun ammo uses fast burning powder, as it was designed for short barrels, while the ones dedicated to rifles burn slower and longer, generating more muzzle flash is shorter barrels, though i know nothing about the impact of muzzle flash on the usage aside from bad visibility.

>Either you are misinformed or using different terminology.

Yeah, my history is pretty bad, sorry. What i wanted to say is that SMGs have their own purpose at which they excel, while from history perspective it looks like they simply were the first light(mobile, single-operated?) automatic weapons, the predecessors of the automatic rifle. So, are SMGs just a direct downgrade from assault rifles, the same way the revolvers are to semiautomatic handguns?

I might be retarded, or it is the tactical warrior within me speaking, but from the perspective of a person who never held a gun i'd name SMGs my favorite weapon type incendiary aside, so it may be just bias. I thought of SMGs as small guns for short range maximum firepower, with purpose similar to shotguns(aside from door/wall destruction), while retaining penetrating abilities, to some extent, as well as being more lightweight compact and manageable, though i know even less about automatic shotguns.

> Is the Ukrainian terminology different?

It's a proxy actually, 8ch is banned in my country. Though i know even less about russian military. It is generally more about politics, as well as agitation and propaganda on most sources you find, so i mostly browse internet almost exclusively in English for the last few years. Russian politics is such a mess.


55fa0d No.591028

Pistol calibers indeed use fast burning powders which are optimized for short barrels and short cartridges, most shotgun and handgun powders are completely burned up at 18 inches of barrel, sometimes more, sometimes less. This is why they are very nice 16 inch barrel guns for the US shooter who wants a PCC but doesn't want a tax stamp or a technical pistol with an "arm brace". Pistol calibers fired in a 16 inch non NFA tax stamp barrel are extremely quiet and have very little muzzle blast, they are fun to shoot without a suppressor. For SMG's, this is why they might never finally die off for combat purposes, pistol calibers are at high performance at shorter barrels like 8 inch-16 inch, they have low muzzle blast and flash, can be quiet silent with a short barrel AND a can, see increased performance over the usual handgun performance.

The whole push for short barrel carbines is problematic for the same reasons, rifle calibers have slow burning powders that are optimized for 20 inch and far, far up from that. Indeed, some cartridges are best at 29 inches, full musket length, even those that optimize at shorter barrel lengths would still be "best" in terms of muzzle blast and close to ideal velocity in the middle 20 inch lengths.

The "long" 22 inch barrel on my M1a or 21 inch barrel on my DS58 FAL are good, but technically suboptimal for 7.62 NATO. The "long" barrel by modern standards on your bullpup or my M-16 style rifle at 20 inches is a decent performer, but still has extra muzzle blast from that extra powder burn at the end of the muzzle. From there, its only downhill, folks.

Muricans often have 16 inch barrel semi auto copies of their military M4's because of the NFA which makes shorter than 16 inch barrels "short barreled rifles" with tax stamps, pain in the ass extras added on, so 16 inch is standard for the civy and his carbine. The loss of that 4 inches can be something of note, dropping the average muzzle velocity of a standard cartridge from, let's say average of 1,300-1,200 ft.lbs. down to around 1,000 ft.lbs, there is a real loss of velocity for the gain in a shorter, less cumbersome weapon. And yes, more blast form the muzzle. The 14.5 inch military barrel is even a bit worse.

Then we start talking about super short barrels and we start having real issues. 10.5 inch barrels on special weapons or SBR's or pistols in the US civilian market in 5.56 NATO/223 see average energy of the wide range of cartridges drop to around 800 ft.lbs., with a loss of velocity correlating to that and the bullet. They are hard to control, are closer to a fireworks show, especially in low light, and have lost a lot of their range and especially terminal performance.

10.5, 8 inch barrels with rifle cartridges have their place in special forces, but they are a real handful. You choose the rifle for its higher performance, and most of that is being blown out the front of the barrel and not directed behind the bullet, instead blowing up closer to your face and making it hard to use. All that punching through armor it can do is minimized, it has serious drawbacks.

tl;dr Short cartridges that maximize fast powder burn work extremely well in short barrels, long cartridges made to maximize slow powder burn do not, at least optimally. Submachine guns will stick around.


b20b98 No.591031

>>591007

From what I understand, Russians and possibly Ukrainians use submachine gun to refer to a weapons size, not the fact it uses pistol cartridges.


60c5f1 No.591044

>>590998

>for the limpwristed

FTFY: for the 9mm'd


b3e03d No.591045

>>591031

Maybe, i dunno, i think that SMG sounds better than PDW and would use them interchangeably, if i got to choose.


41a2d4 No.591069

File: 8238fc7cddeccb2⋯.webm (Spoiler Image, 134.02 KB, 480x480, 1:1, 1364687892.webm)

>>591044

Exactly. Unlike Norma spec 10mm .40 offers no advantage over 9mm terminal effects, at the cost of magazine capacity, controllability, and cost per round.


0d532a No.591072

>>591069

Objectively false as shown in >>590671


f999a3 No.591077

File: 9d1929c8e860c4f⋯.jpg (3.2 MB, 4128x3096, 4:3, gastripfags.jpg)

What should I know about this M1 Garand before I take it out shooting for the first time?


ee75a0 No.591078

>>591077

Did you grease it? For the love of god do you have M1 safe ammo or an adjustable gas plug.


0d532a No.591079

>>591077

What the leaf said. Also, check for cosmoline and clean that shit off if it's there.


41a2d4 No.591093

File: 5b0f34cb30e8c21⋯.jpg (8.9 KB, 161x181, 161:181, 5b0f34cb30e8c210afa5aa04d3….jpg)

>>591072

>The FBI BRU and every reputable ballistics study over the last thirty years are wrong because some faggot on youtube said so


0d532a No.591096

File: aab4537725c53fa⋯.mp4 (206.21 KB, 640x360, 16:9, Troublesome_little_manchil….mp4)

>>591093

>not one argument


60c5f1 No.591102

>>591069

>magazine capacity

1-2 rounds when you already have 13-14 rounds in a mag, or 15-16 in full size guns is meaningless. Your point is invalid.

>controllability

that's because you don't shoot guns

>cost per round

2 cents more per round, another meaningless difference and invalid point

the last resort of 9mm shills at this point is "muh bullet technology." What they forget is that the same advances in "technology," a stupid exaggeration, also applies to .40 and the other rounds, so the same large gap in performance is still there between 9mm and the rest.

>terminal effects

115 grain 9mm expands excellently and has good splash damage, because of the diameter-surface area ratio and good speed, but it consequentially has horrible penetration ability. The 147 grain is an absolutely horrible load because the reversed ratio is maximized for penetration but it doesn't have enough speed to deploy the hollow point, so it over penetrates and has small primary cavities. The .45acp is able to get by with low velocity because the frontal-area of the bullet is so large.

.40 has great expansion and penetration as Paul >>590671 demonstrates

+p 124 grain turns out to be a decent load. I think the best for 9mm is 115 grain +p. If you can't have both, you might as well have one or the other, and you definitely don't want over penetration if you're shooting in public. In that respect .40 may actually be a better self defense round for civilians because 180 grain 10mm at 1300 fps or 200 grains at 1200+ fps is absolutely going to over penetrate a human. People forget that 10mm was designed as a service pistol round for law enforcement/military, not really conceal-carrying civilians.


c699ba No.591130

>>591044

>.40 S&W is wimpy

>YEAH I AGREE, 9mm FAGS BTFO

I don't know where you were going with this, anon.


bf5fe4 No.591203


60c5f1 No.591210

>>591130

>ignores all my other posts

>epic snarky maymay

9mm shill is buttmad


be3d06 No.591212

I stripped one of the two screws holding on my AR's gas block. How do I un-fuck it?


805b44 No.591213

>>591212

What, exactly, did you do? Do you have pics?


be3d06 No.591229

File: 5cb2c6817af36d9⋯.png (1.93 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, Fucked screw 2.png)

File: dc2ec0e49282c8f⋯.png (1.59 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, Fucked screw 1.png)

>>591213

I had it in the brownells vice block with the screws facing down & cranked one the wrong way.


805b44 No.591230

>>591229

If you've got a drill you could get a stripped screw extraction kit to take out the fucked screw and replace it with a normal one. But if your gas block is aligned properly and everything cycles fine you might not have to bother.


be3d06 No.591233

>>591230

Alright, thanks.


000000 No.591234

>>589562

Thanks, I'll keep your posts for further investigation. I gotta stay safe. Sometimes staying safe includes killing some unsafe people so they can't menace other people in the future.


0a801d No.591238

What are the pros and cons of rails and 2-piece scope bases on a fudd gun?


c182d0 No.591247

>>591238

Nothing provided it isnt lame from the factory.


8fae1b No.591261

File: 0c574e9b65a1ca6⋯.jpg (81.27 KB, 568x864, 71:108, 1530285390842.jpg)

Can a strelok tell me what he's wearing? Pretty sure helmet is a finnish m92 so I looked into the chest rig being finnish as well but the closest finnish gear would get is the m05 and i dont think thats correct.


1715b4 No.591310

>>591028

All things considered, is there any actual advantages of using SMGs over some bullpup rifle with proper barrel length, from tactical standpoint? They do not seem to offer much mobility or smaller frame, while using weaker rounds. They are lighter and easier to handle with collapsed stock, but that does not really help in a fight. Will it be just a more comfortable and powerful handgun alternative?


0d532a No.591311

>>591310

>Will it be just a more comfortable and powerful handgun alternative?

Yeah pretty much. 10mm starts to meet 5.56's energy levels out of 10" barrels but if you need compactness you're generally better off with a bullpup or an SBR.


c699ba No.591321

>>591238

That's a very broad question, anon.

Rails allow for a wide variety, both good and bad, in scope mounts. Two-piece bases limit the size of the optic you can use, although most long range scopes are standardized.


ee75a0 No.591335

>>591261

No clue on the chest rig but the thing under it looks like a belgian flak vest.


b3e03d No.591401

What short automatic guns does /k/ approve?


0d532a No.591404

>>591401

> short automatic guns

You're casting something of a wide net there. Do you mean just full-autos, or are do you include all autoloaders in that as well? Rifle or pistol? If rifle, rifle cartridges only or SMGs as well?


b3e03d No.591408

>>591404

Eh, anything from an SBR to an automatic pistol, it should be compact and automatic, otherwise you are free to choose anything.


716ec4 No.591410

>>591408

>compact auto shotgun

Yeah, doesn't fucking exist.

You want a fucking compact pump, I can give you. Auto shotgun is too complex to be small.


b3e03d No.591411

>>591410

Well, then shotguns do not fit the criteria. They still serve their purpose, just not as a "small gun".


716ec4 No.591412

>>591411

Must be my bad eyesight, I read that as autoshotgun.

Anyway, for auto pistol, Glock 18 with stock.

For SMG, gonna be a MP5, or MP5/10 if they still make those.

For rifle, probably an AR-15 variant, from BCM.

For LMG, I will probably take the Stoner LMG.

For MMG, M240B or M240L (lightweight version).

For autoshotgun, a Vepr.


b3e03d No.591415

>>591412

Well, i was talking about small guns, not somethign like a LMG, but thanks nonetheless. If you got to choose a gun, which would you take as a sidearm for "not in war or fighting immediately" situation? Say, SHTF, so concealed carry is not required, but not actively fighting or moving out. A settlement/free city/non-combat role, for example.


716ec4 No.591417

>>591415

In America, a Glock 29 since you got so many of kind of ammo.

In anywhere, a Glock 19 because 9mm is everywhere.

So likely a Glock 19 in 9mm hollowpoint would be my general answer.


b3e03d No.591420

>>591417

Just a handgun?


716ec4 No.591421

>>591420

Well, for EDC yes, life isn't a vidya game where you carry a long weapon at all times.

I leave a Stoner LMG in my car, fuck rifle.

Shit happens, fight your way back to your car.


9729f4 No.591424

>>591421

I thought of a bit more firepower, closer to an mp5 or so, as concealment is not a problem, as well as more dangers than daily civilian life.

Isn't Stoner 63 post NFA? Or just super rare?


716ec4 No.591426

File: 5ef26006f92bc61⋯.jpg (224.39 KB, 1500x1125, 4:3, KAC_Stoner_LMG_5.56mm_Ligh….jpg)

>>591424

And how the fuck are you gonna CC your MP5?

And no, I'm not talking about Stoner 63, but the Stoner LMG made by KAC. It does exist but only mercs, spec ops use them.

And no, this is a SHTF scenario where no laws apply.


716ec4 No.591427

>>591426

>And how the fuck are you gonna CC your MP5?

Should have said EDC*


9729f4 No.591429

>>591426

>And how the fuck are you gonna CC your MP5?

I meant that you do not have to CC, actually. I tried to describe a situation where this would be possible.

>I'm not talking about Stoner 63, but the Stoner LMG

Oh, that's interesting, i'll read on that, thanks. Is it somehow connected to Stoner 63?

>And no, this is a SHTF scenario where no laws apply.

Sure, but things still would not get out of nowhere.


a0de6b No.591436

>>591427

>EDC

Well, it would be unlikely for you to have a stable daily job or daily life, or at least the situations described are more out of it.


716ec4 No.591438

File: 203d0a471c81425⋯.jpg (156.39 KB, 1100x615, 220:123, Glock41_c4.jpg)

>>591429

Uh, yeah, you can just buy it from KAC. I mean they sell it to military, contractors and the like.

>>591436

If CC isn't really a big problem then, I would like something Long barrel, maybe a Glock 40 or Glock 41.

Or just a Glock 18, because magdump is better than bigger boolit.


a0de6b No.591442

>>591438

>Stoner LMG

Well, now i know the go-to LMG, in case i need it.

I'd still prefer a bit more firepower to trade for compactness, but that's pretty interesting, thanks.


716ec4 No.591446

File: 2a5ce8b36d99814⋯.jpg (84.91 KB, 880x660, 4:3, magpul D60.jpg)

>>591442

Or an AR-15 with a good upper receiver, and some good 60rd mag, in case you cannot get a LMG.

In case you got friends, your AR-15 30 rounder suffices, but in case of SHTF and alone, you would want to save the time you spend on reloading.

I would not suggest going all drum mag though, since stick mags are still easier to carry. So only the rifle should have the drum as standby, and you reload with 30-40rd stick mag after you are done with the drum.


85312f No.591452

There are lead bullets, there are copper bullets, as well as FMJ or AP ones, but are there brass bullets? Can they be cast from broken or unneeded casings or when there is no lead available?


bf5fe4 No.591463

File: 20589aa4a68e64a⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 196.3 KB, 1333x888, 1333:888, Cuckifornia.jpg)

Anyone know any reproduced muskets (i.e. smoothbore) that are fair-to-high quality and are relatively cheap? They can be flintlock, matchlock, whatever, as long as it is legally considered an "antique firearm" under CalifagI hate this state and want to leave ;_; law.

Please help.


55fa0d No.591510

>>591452

For all the lead bullets I've cast, none of the literature I've come across tells you how to cast bullets at home mentions anything beyond lead, lead alloys, perhaps tin in theory, and zinc (which you don't want to get into your lead). Even then I've found little on casting zinc.

Remember that most bought bullets are SWAGED not CAST. Buy lead bullets for your handgun or even rifle, the big companies use swaging which is vastly superior, its the small companies that cast bullets for sale, and homeowners that cast as a hobby/save money, even then they make home swage kits (that are so expensive that you will probably just choose to keep casting bullets instead). Traditional lead core with a copper jacket is swaged.

Copper bullets are another thing entirely, keep in mind its not simply copper, but rather a specific copper alloy that is mixed specifically for bullet making. Copper is too light to make a proper bullet and must be weighted down with other metals and given superior properties with the alloy. Not only can you really not cast copper bullets at home, you don't even have the right copper alloy for the job, much less brass.

Also, casting lead bullets, even the harder lead alloys, is acceptable because the material is soft enough to swage in barrels to keep overpressure from occurring. Cast lead bullets tend to be 0.001 inches oversize the groove, or at least that's ideal, this works very well for lead alloys, but not for harder materials like jacketed lead core or harder, which would include brass and copper monoliths. Also, if you oversize your lead bullets, no worry if its not TOO big, they can and often are resized during the lubrication process to close the tolerances to some extent.

Even if you cast your own brass/copper bullets at home, how would you keep them to exacting tolerances? Do you have any way to reduce their size if too big? Casting is difficult work, a virtual land mine field of booby traps and mistakes waiting around every corner. Its not feasible, not for a material that is turned into a proper bullet by a completely different method.


60c5f1 No.591516

>>591415

SHTF? Gotta go with the economy-of-scale in that situation, meaning .40, 9mm, 5.56, or .308. For sidearm I'd take the Glock 17 I already own.

but for actual CC i carry a p229 in .357 Sig. Far better round than 9mm.


2d6037 No.591540

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>591463

Think this guy makes what you're looking for, but I don't know what his prices are.

https://williamsflintlocks.com/#


ee75a0 No.591585

>>591463

Buy an original. IMA has a wide variety of antique BP shit.


ee75a0 No.591601

>>591510

The downside to swagging lead bullets is having to have a consistent lead mixture and most folk generally don't have that, i.e wheel weight mystery metal.

>Casting zinc

Cheap low recoil shotgun loads tend to be zinc and as far as I'm concerned it works well for economical 3-gun stuff. I don't think I've seen rifle/pistol bullets made out of zinc, nor would I try. I got no problem blasting zinc out of my shotgun though.

>cast your own brass/copper bullets

With those I'd recommend making them on a lathe with bar stock for consistency in weight and size. Also brass bullets are considered AP to the ATF if I recall so stick to copper if you don't wanna be v&.


537daf No.591642

>went to shooting with another /k/ommando

>started drinking at lunch

>kept drinking at home

I need to make a bad decision, and I need help making it. I want to buy a 1911 but I don't know if I want it in 10mm, .357 SIG, or 45 heel yeah! What should I blow my money on /k/? Help a gook out


bf5fe4 No.591646

File: c2f6feb56db66f7⋯.png (309.25 KB, 530x548, 265:274, cop_of_maximum_contempt.png)

>>591540

Thanks.

>Available for sale link doesn't work

I hope he realizes this.

>>591585

No, because firing old guns makes me feel uneasy. Besides, unless it's a mystical weapon with runes all over it, you shouldn't use antiques. It's another person's weapon, even if he's long gone.


4f8e7b No.591649

>>591463

Do blackpowder guns with rifling not count as antiques there?


ee75a0 No.591650

File: de554864df91bf4⋯.jpg (123.31 KB, 750x600, 5:4, Here they are Happy.jpg)

File: 9a181c5240325d5⋯.png (785.11 KB, 700x658, 50:47, 986616884864c116fad710d93c….png)

>>591642

.45 just go with that.

>>591646

I fire antiques all the time man as well as all other manner of surplus, the gun wants to be happy strelok. Will you deny the guns happiness like the faggot who plastered guns upon the /k/ube. They scream knowing they cannot be helped. My wife once saw an image of the holy /k/ube and asked me if I could repair them. I didn't know whether to cry or laugh knowing how futile it would be trying to fix things that thoroughly fucked.


0d532a No.591656

File: cd6d2c38f2f2599⋯.jpg (326.77 KB, 1950x2400, 13:16, 1911 guide.jpg)

>>591446

I'd say a Surefire 60 is a better first magazine than the drum. Much more compact and a good deal lighter.

>>591642

If you're buying a classic fuddgun you may as well get it in classic fuddy five. Save effective rounds like 10mm and SIG for whatever carry/duty gun you end up buying.


60c5f1 No.591657

>>591642

1911? Fudd gun needs a fudd round tbh.


55fa0d No.591665

>>591642

45 ACP or 10mm.

>>591656

> implying people don't carry 1911's for self protection or duty

> "saving" rounds when the more you shoot that round and get used to it the better you are with it

> "saving" rounds when using a common caliber in between your own pistols reduces the number of calibers you have to stock

Hurr durr I lurned the wurd Fudd mommeh, I insult people's on the internet all da time wit it hurr hurr


0d532a No.591687

>>591665

<implying people don't carry 1911's for self protection or duty

People also carry Makarovs and Mauser C96s for personal protection. It's still a suboptimal choice however.

<"saving" rounds when the more you shoot that round and get used to it the better you are with it

<"saving" rounds when using a common caliber in between your own pistols reduces the number of calibers you have to stock

These are actually fair points–if you're buying a gun which you intend to use in a practical environment–carrying, duty, 3-gun, whatever. However, if you're buying a collectible (and given the iconic status of the 1911 chances are >>591642 is buying it as such) these points are less valid. And as an aspiring collectorfag I like to collect guns in a wide variety of chamberings, although I must admit I don't know whether I speak for all collectors. Hence, if you're getting a fudd gun you may as well get it chambered in gen-you-eine fuddy five.


01d47e No.591694

>>591510

What if you turn brass into bullets on a lathe the same as you can do with copper ones?


60c5f1 No.591696

>>591665

nothing you do or say will ever change the fact that the 1911 and the Fuddy Five are Fudd.


c699ba No.591701

>>591687

>People also carry … Mauser C96s for personal protection

That's doubtful and otherwise incomparable. At that point the 1911 is superior, so your point is moot.


01d47e No.591703

>>591694

I missed that

>>591601

Legal issues aside, what are the properties of a brass bullet, compared to a FMJ or pure copper one? I assume it would be better at penetration, but what other advantages it might give?


60c5f1 No.591707

>>591701

fuddery aside, 1911 isn't bad, +P .45 ammo in the 950 fps range like +p HST is a very solid round, I regularly dropped pigs with it, just to get my own fudd on for a second, and if it will drop those animals I think it's safe to assume humans are going to hit the deck as well.

Having said that, the normal pressure .45acp in the 800 fps range makes me nervous because truly is S-L-O-W, and then there's the 7-8 round capacity. I hate 9mm faggots and their capacity mongering but 7-8 rounds really is a liability.


0d532a No.591708

>>591701

>At that point the 1911 is superior, so your point is moot.

While I did slip into hyperbole, my point–that handguns have been developed just a little bit in the past hundred years and there are modern practical alternatives to the 1911–is far from moot.


b847d5 No.591731

Evening /k/, I'm looking for a rifle for 20-350m engagements in a 2k max price range (excluding accessory cost) and I am overwhelmed with options. Mind helping me narrow down the search?


b847d5 No.591736

>>591731

I should further specify that I am looking for something lightweight but without too much loss to precision, and preferably on the simpler side to disassemble.


0d532a No.591743

>>591731

>20-350m engagements

At that range some kind of intermediate cartridge will serve you best. If you predict shooting on the near half of that more often, go 5.56x45 or 5.45x39. If you anticipate shooting at longer range more often than not, 6.5 Grendel or .224 Valkyrie are your friends.

>2k max price range (excluding accessory cost) and I am overwhelmed with options

Well, if you decide on the 5.45 route, your options are real simple: get an AK from Rifle Dynamics. They're the best AKs on the market right now thanks to sanctions tomfoolery, and because of those same sanctions inflating the price on all the import varieties, it will also give you the best bang for your buck from everything available.

If you're going the AR route (yes I know there are other 5.56 rifles out there but I prefer ARs if we're talking pure performance/utility), you need to has out some more criteria for yourself besides budget. Do you want a lighter gun? If so, how light, do you have a total weight goal? How accurate is accurate "enough" for your purposes? Stuff like that.

>>591736

So it sounds like you're going for a general-purpose rifle, something reasonably accurate, not to difficult to lug around with you, that works at a variety of distances. A 16" barrel is good for that for 5.56, gives you enough velocity to be effective but still pretty easy to use inside. Faxon's pencil barrels can get you 1 MOA with good ammunition, so you can get pretty light and still maintain precision. They get less accurate when hot–like all barrels–and pencil barrels do get hot quicker than other barrels. However, they also cool down faster than heavy barrels, so it's not so much a disadvantage, but a matter of picking your poison. You can stick with forged receivers, and a mil-spec LPK will do you fine since you're on a bit of a budget, but you can save a good amount of weight by getting a CF freefloat tube and a CF stock….

Actually, anon, I recently put together a rifle with similar criteria to yourself, and am looking to sell it. Would you be interested?


b847d5 No.591748

>>591743

Still in the research phase and probably, won't be purchasing for another 3 months. Its a possibility though.


b847d5 No.591752

>>591743

I've never built one either, but essentially what I've been doing is going for a high-end weapon in the categories of Pistol, Shotgun, Medium range rifle and Long Range Rifle. I have only found enough success to start investing in guns in the past 2 years though despite being raised by avid gun enthusiasts. I picked up a Sig P226 legion as the pistol and I am thinking a Beneli M4 for the shotgun but I've been having a hell of a time figuring out what I want for the Rifles.


2d6037 No.591755

>>591646

His email's at the bottom of his sight; you can tell him when you ask for prices.


b847d5 No.591772

>>591743

Thoughts on an M4 SBR for what I'm looking for?


0d532a No.591774

>>591752

>but essentially what I've been doing is going for a high-end weapon in the categories of Pistol, Shotgun, Medium range rifle and Long Range Rifle

Ah, a man after my own tastes. Haven't looked too closely at the shotgun category but I'm a major proponent of "buy once, cry once."

Based on what it is you're looking for I think I can offer a few pointers:

>Barrel

16, possibly 18, inch is what you're looking for. 5.56 is a velocity-based round; anything less than 16" of barrel and your terminal performance will suffer heavily at long ranges. But you get too much longer than 16 and it's difficult to maneuver that rifle inside enclosed spaces, and if you're trying to make a general-purpose rifle you should at least take that into account. Go for nitriding instead of chrome lining–it lends itself better to accuracy and is more corrosion-resistant. Chrome's better heat dissipation makes it a more durable choice for large amounts of heavy automatic fire, but you're making a rifle and not an LMG so that doesn't affect you. Even if this was a select-fire gun the small periods of full-auto wouldn't be enough to justify using chrome. You said you want lightweight, so I'd suggest a pencil barrel–the good ones like Faxon's lineup will still give you plenty good accuracy.

>BCG

Nitride is also a good option here. People like to shill NiB a lot, but it's a meme–it's not really slicker than nitride but it's a good deal less durable and has a tendency to flake. Nitride is also cheap so it frees up dollars to make upgrades elsewhere. However, if you've got room in your budget check out DLC (diamond like carbon) coatings. Both harder and slicker than nitride, but more expensive. Assuming you aren't looking at low-mass carriers, two really good DLC options are the Sharps XPB and the carriers from Cryptic Coatings. The Sharps isn't quite as slick, but includes Sharp's enhanced bolt. The Cryptic Coatings has a standard bot but is the slickest carrier on the market as far as I know. You can't go wrong with either option, but again nitride will do just fine if your budget is getting tight.

>handguard

You've got a couple lightweight choices, depending on what you want. The lightest semi-modular handguards on the market are the Brigand Arms handguards, which are made of a carbon-fiber weave. The problem with them is that you need to get a proprietary backing plate for each m-lok accessory that you want to install. After the Brigand Arms there's the magnesium-alloy handgaurds from VSeven. These are just a smidge heavier than the Brigand Arms, but are fully modular with m-lok slots. Their only disadvantage is that they're metal, which conducts heat a lot better than carbon fiber, so they heat up pretty quickly. Brigand Arms and a few others also make CF handguards with complete M-lok slots, but they're a bit heavier than the VSeven options. For the rifle you're building, I'd suggest either the second or the third option.

>stock

My personal recommendation is a buffer tube/stock combo from Smokes Composites.

>buffer

You said this is a high-end rifle, so I absolutely recommend JP's SCS gen 2 system. It's quieter and easier to work with than standard buffers

>charging handle

The Sintercore Tripwire, all the way. It looks good, it's simple, and it's designed to keep gas from venting in your face. It's also half the price of other "high end' charging handles.

>trigger

Something crisp and single-stage is what I'd say; two stage triggers are for competition. My personal favorite is the SLT-2 but there are a lot of good options out there

Oh, and this isn't exactly a part recommendation but I'd suggest picking up a jam nut for your muzzle device instead of a crush washer, as the jam nuts are reusable and much easier to work with.

>>591772

Eh, I'd advise against it. For one, like I said above I think 16" is the bare minimum to get good velocity out of 5.56x45. The 14.5" barrel of M4s doesn't lend itself to that. Further, the M4 profile barrel is the "worst of both worlds" between light and heavy barrels–it's thick close to the muzzle but slimmer near the barrel extension, meaning you have a lot of extra weight on your barrel that doesn't actually add any rigidity.


b847d5 No.591778

>>591774

This also came up in my research and I do love my p226 https://www.sigsauer.com/store/sigm400-elite.html


0d532a No.591783

>>591778

It's certainly not a bad option, but a tad overpriced. You could probably build an equivalent rifle for 800 or so.


b847d5 No.591784

>>591783

Hmm ok. My families gun dealer does usually get things on the cheap I'd likely end up paying 950 for that rifle.


ee75a0 No.591785

>>591703

>>591703

Can get it going super sanic fast without worries of the bullet vaporizing from the velocity


f999a3 No.591786

>>591078

>>591079

Hey guys thanks for responding. I have a ton of ammo that I got with the gun. I'm pretty sure it's all military surplus. How can I check that it's safe to use? I do not have an adjustable gas plug the rifle is unmodified. I know it's a Korean-era M1.

Also I think some of the surplus ammo I have are tracer rounds but again I'm not sure. It's greased but haven't been cleaned/greased in at least 3 years. My Grandfather used to clean/grease it every week but near the end of his life he wasn't able to take care of the rifle like he wanted. I'm mostly wanting to fire it a few times in his memory but I'd hate to damage the gun by being unfamiliar with the platform.


ee75a0 No.591789

>>591786

Check the headstamp to be sure its surplus, if it is your good to go on that part. As for general rule of thumb learn to strip it down and do a check on the internals


b847d5 No.591791


f999a3 No.591792

>>591789

Thanks Mr. Leaf I'll make sure to double check everything and field strip it before taking it out. I love the rifle. My Grandfather used to teach guys how to kill using the gun when they ran out of ammo and I can understand why it's so deadly in hand to hand combat after having held it. Those guys back then were tough, I know lugging around a Garand all day had to get tiring.


60c5f1 No.591799

>>591774

>>591752

fuck 16", go 20. 18 if you absolutely must save weight. Get a pencil barrel cut. to save weight if you're weak. Go Faxon or Ballistic Advantage.

>NB is a meme

Nope.

Nitride is fine, but Nickel Boron is clearly less abrasive. Go Nickel Boron, don't listen to this asshole.

>handguard

One word: rail. Get a low-profile gas block, doesn't have to be adjustable, and get yourself a rail. Plastic handguards suck dick, they'll start smoking after 50 rounds and will melt after 100.

>stock

just save yourself the trouble and go Magpul on all your furniture. It's cheap, it feels good, and it's available.

>buffer

>JP SCS gen 2 system

overpriced shit. Just buy any of the "heavy" solid buffers, they work fine.

>trigger

>"2 stage"

garbage, get a single-stage trigger. CMC or Patriot Ordinance Factory make very, very good triggers, specifically the 3.5 lb POF straight single stage trigger.

>receivers

just go to primaryarms.com or graniteridgeoutfitters for Aero Precision. There's a million receivers out there, pick whichever one you want. I have PSA receivers on both of my rifles, they're basic but fine.


b847d5 No.591801

File: 15cacf895605f99⋯.png (108.64 KB, 2107x441, 43:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>591799

Eh I was going for a lightweight rifle if you caught the conversation from earlier.

I threw together some basic choices in the middle. If anyone wants to replace redundancies or have better choices that will work better

Striped Lower Receiver $90 https://aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-stripped-lower-gen2-anodized-black.html

Lower Parts Kit $55 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/parts-kits/lower-parts-kits/ar-15-lower-parts-kit-prod24955.aspx?avad=avant&aid=157623&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-Custom+Link&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=Itwine

Pistol Grip $19 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/grip-parts/pistol-grips/ar-15-m16-moe-grip-prod26656.aspx?cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-IR-_-60594&utm_content=60594&aid=227925&utm_source=ir&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_medium=affiliate&source=ir

Fire Control Group $230 http://www.kearms.com/store/p/907-SLT-2-Sear-Link-Technology-Trigger-with-Ambi-Selector.aspx

Selector $71 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/safety-parts/safeties/ar-15-ambidextrous-safety-selector-blue-prod41292.aspx?cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-IR-_-60594&utm_content=60594&aid=399657&utm_source=ir&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_medium=affiliate&source=ir

Bolt Catch $24 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-catch-parts/bolt-catches/ar-15-maritime-bolt-catch-black-prod104804.aspx

Magazine Release $20 https://www.magpul.com/products/magpul-enhanced-ar-magazine-release

Bolt Carrier Group $131 http://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-5-56-300-blk-m16-bolt-carrier-group-nitride/

Buffer $140+$32 for springs https://www.jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPSCS2-15

Buffer Tube $40 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/buffer-tube-parts/buffer-tubes/ar-15-m16-buffer-tube-assembly-prod73363.aspx

Barrel $158 http://faxonfirearms.com/16-pencil-5-56-nato-mid-length-4150-qpq/

Barrel Nut $12 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrel-hardware/barrel-nuts/ar-15-barrel-nut-prod67235.aspx

Gas Block $90 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/gas-system-parts/gas-blocks/ar-15-adjustable-gas-block-750-clamp-on-prod86814.aspx?cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-IR-_-60594&utm_content=60594&aid=227925&utm_source=ir&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_medium=affiliate&source=ir

Upper Receiver $85 https://aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-stripped-upper-receiver-no-fa.html

Upper Receiver parts kit $18 https://aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-upper-parts-kit.html

Charging Handle $55 https://sintercore.com/556tripwirescv/

Gas Tube $9 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/gas-system-parts/gas-tubes/ar-15-gas-tubes-black-nitride-prod87085.aspx

Stock $199 https://www.rainierarms.com/smoke-composites-carbon-fiber-buttstocks-closed-carbine-length/

Handguards $394 https://brigandarms.com/product/edge/

Delta Ring Assembly $11 https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Delta-Ring-Assembly-AR15-p/delta%20ring%20assembly%20-%20ar15.htm

Handguard cap $5 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/forend-amp-handguard-parts/handguard-amp-rail-hardware/handguard-caps/ar-15-round-handguard-cap-steel-black-prod17575.aspx

Total $1,888


60c5f1 No.591804

>>591801

>all this carbon fiber

someone's been watching too much Cuck Range.

I'd remove the meme trigger, meme block, meme stock, meme rail, and meme buffer and put that towards your optic.


b847d5 No.591806

>>591804

I was aiming to keep it to 2k minus accessories, your dismissive attitude is irritating and makes me not want to listen to anything you say though.


60c5f1 No.591807

>>591806

hey, if you have the money to blow on carbon fiber memes, go ahead.


60c5f1 No.591812

>>546766

I just realized that all three of those guys have G3's. That's refreshing.


60c5f1 No.591818

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>591812

reminded me of this hilarious video

fool's bravery shooting a century like that, the cookoff's were hilarious


153ffb No.591832

File: e626468c20f5416⋯.jpg (143.87 KB, 825x1310, 165:262, 6a51132ff1f348a6c45410337a….jpg)

Am I a hipster for specifically not wanting to get an AR-15 purely because everyone has one and I want something different?


482cab No.591834


4f8e7b No.591838

File: 236ac43a59dc2ef⋯.jpg (123.45 KB, 1067x653, 1067:653, larry.jpg)

>>591832

Yes.

t. hipster


60c5f1 No.591839

>>591832

I felt that way at first, and now I own 3 AR's.

if you get something else, get a PTR-91 and shoot steel to cut down on the cost, and because it utterly mangles brass.


10100b No.591857

>>589132

I don't know about "growing up" from .22lr, as it is still the cheapest way to piss through ammo and not break the bank. It's a real nice way of training on a platform given that your 22 has a great amount of similarities to your main rifle.


0d532a No.591867

>>591801

>delta ring, endcap

You don't need those things for free floated handguards, they're only used for milspec clamp ons.


0d532a No.591868

>>591801

Couple more things:

If you go Smoke Composites for the stock you don't need a buffer tube, because the Smoke is a buffer tube+stock. That trigger you picked comes with a safety selector, so you don't need to get a separate safety (and the separate safety you picked is almost identical in design to the one that comes with the trigger). You don't need the spring kit for the SCS, the spring it comes with will work fine. Adjustable gas blocks are only something that you need for lightweight BCGs, you can just get a regular one. Clamp-on is better than set screw though. Also, you picked a 0.750 gas block but the barrel you picked has a 0.625 GB diameter, so you should pick a new one. Finally, I suggest you browse OpticsPlanet for a lot of this stuff, especially the things you're buying direct from manufacturer–they usually have it cheaper, and the shipping's free. Oh, and I see you're getting the stock from Rainier. You should check out the Smokes Composites website as well, because Rainier only carries a fraction of the options available.


0d532a No.591875

>>591868

Your selection in parts ended up being ammoseek.com identical to mine, incidentally. Difference is I went with the Atlas handguard, put some flip up irons on, and picked an overmolded grip from Ergo. I know you said you were still in the research phase, but if you're interested in buying mine I can get it to you for 1500 without optics of 2000 with.


0d532a No.591877

>>591875

>ammoseek.com

Supposed to be 'almost'


b847d5 No.591899

File: d55dc63b2a43730⋯.png (123.4 KB, 2004x561, 668:187, ClipboardImage.png)

>>591875

Ended up making a bunch of adjustments and I did catch some of what you said already. I backed off a bit from the carbon fiber parts because it was getting to be a bit too pricey imo.

I do kinda want to build one for the experience but could I see a picture of what you are selling?

Here is a new parts list minus optic.

Striped Lower Receiver $188 http://faxonfirearms.com/houlding-precision-hpf-15-lower-receiver-stripped/

Lower Parts Kit $55 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/parts-kits/lower-parts-kits/ar-15-lower-parts-kit-prod24955.aspx?avad=avant&aid=157623&cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-Avantlink-_-Custom+Link&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_content=NA&utm_campaign=Itwine

Pistol Grip $19 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/grip-parts/pistol-grips/ar-15-m16-moe-grip-prod26656.aspx?cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-IR-_-60594&utm_content=60594&aid=227925&utm_source=ir&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_medium=affiliate&source=ir

Fire Control Group $192 https://geissele.com/ssp-geissele-flat-bow.html

Selector $71 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/safety-parts/safeties/ar-15-ambidextrous-safety-selector-blue-prod41292.aspx?cm_mmc=affiliate-_-Itwine-_-IR-_-60594&utm_content=60594&aid=399657&utm_source=ir&utm_campaign=itwine&utm_medium=affiliate&source=ir

Bolt Catch $24 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-catch-parts/bolt-catches/ar-15-maritime-bolt-catch-black-prod104804.aspx

Magazine Release $20 https://www.magpul.com/products/magpul-enhanced-ar-magazine-release

Bolt Carrier Group $131 http://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-5-56-300-blk-m16-bolt-carrier-group-nitride/

Buffer Assembly $77 https://www.wingtactical.com/firearm-parts/ar-15/buffer-buffer-tubes/spikes-tactical-ar-15-buffer-tube-assembly-kit-mil-spec/

Barrel $158 http://faxonfirearms.com/16-pencil-5-56-nato-mid-length-4150-qpq/

Barrel Nut $12 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrel-hardware/barrel-nuts/ar-15-barrel-nut-prod67235.aspx

Gas Block $31 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/gas-system-parts/gas-blocks/ar-15-low-profile-gas-blocks-prod95984.aspx

Upper Receiver $113 http://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-firearms-forged-ar-upper-receiver-enhanced-complete/

Upper Receiver parts kit $18 https://aeroprecisionusa.com/ar15-upper-parts-kit.html

Charging Handle $86 http://www.firearms4less.com/charging-handles/339-ar15-raptor-charging-handle-ambi-black.html

Gas Tube $9 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/gas-system-parts/gas-tubes/ar-15-gas-tubes-black-nitride-prod87085.aspx

Stock $60 https://www.magpul.com/products/moe-sl-carbine-stock-mil-spec

Handguards $149 http://faxonfirearms.com/faxon-15-g2-streamline-aluminum-m-lok-handguard/

Rail Adapter $10 https://www.magpul.com/products/afg-2-m-lok-adapter-rail

Delta Ring Assembly $11 https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Delta-Ring-Assembly-AR15-p/delta%20ring%20assembly%20-%20ar15.htm

Handguard cap $5 https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/forend-amp-handguard-parts/handguard-amp-rail-hardware/handguard-caps/ar-15-round-handguard-cap-steel-black-prod17575.aspx

Total for Rifle $1,498

Compensator $129 https://www.diamondhead-usa.com/products/t-brake-muzzle-compensator-5-56mm

Magazines 6 = $108 https://www.magpul.com/products/pmag-30-ar-m4-gen-m3-window

Foregrip $35 https://www.magpul.com/products/afg-2

Sling Mount $30 https://www.magpul.com/products/rsa-qd

Sling $50 https://www.magpul.com/products/ms3-sling-gen2


55fa0d No.591900

>>591857

Nobody gets rid of their 22LR, they are great to continue to shoot and learn with, stay proficient with, but "grow up" does exist in the fact some asshats never take off the training wheels. People start to use their rimfire for medium or large game where inappropriate and unethical for hunting because "muh 22 and muh shot placement can do anything" leading to lots of wounded animals where a more powerful cartridge would have been completely appropriate. At some point, yes, Johnny Plinkster needs to grow up to Johnny Hunsman if he wants to take on serious game as a serious hunter.

The 22lr is also an extremely poor choice for self defense, which seems to be the a much more common topic nowadays. Beyond the obvious of rimfire's dud factor, its incredibly poor power and penetration makes it an insane choice for serious self defense when so many alternatives are available. Your love of your old plinker cartridge does not make it a capable or competent self defense cartridge, does not magically overcome its many weaknesses, doesn't give it any more bullet or power. There comes a point where Johnny Plinker needs to grow up to Johnny Defender.

22lr is a great way to shoot cheap and stay proficient, but too much rimfire and not enough big boi caliber fire can hurt you in the sense that if you never shoot your big calibers and get soft shooting the lighter stuff you might soft hand a powerful handgun or not brace properly for a rifle and get clobbered. Switching from a High Standard 22lr target pistol to a Glock 10mm might be a brutal reawkening after too long from the big centerfire and too much soft handed bullseye shooting of the smaller caliber, heavier pistol.

I'm on the same track as you, one day I plan on getting a CZ 452 in a good hunting cartridge and Mannlicher stock, so I got the CZ 22lr version first so I can plink with a similar rifle to gain proficiency and get used to it. But there is no way I am going to think that such helpful training is going to be anywhere near 1:1 kinda training. I agree Mr. Aussie, but with reserves, of course.

Another alternative for you people who like to shoot cheap and practice hard is casting bullets. I shoot my big boi 375 H&H for less than 10 cents a shot by making light load shots with hand cast bullets and recycled lead. Again, you can't get too used to the lighter loads and forget the power of the big jacketed power loads for hunting, but its nice to shoot your main gun, exactly, for cheap.


537daf No.591901

File: 964be07a7925e15⋯.jpg (40.12 KB, 525x349, 525:349, soldier-with-m16-rifle_pic….jpg)

>>591650

>>591656

>>591657

>>591707

Is .45 an obsolete defensive round? I already have a mid-sized wonder 9 but I feel like if you live in America, it's almost required that you get your hands on a 1911 at some point in your life. As for carrying, I figured that the single stack mag makes the thing pretty slim, so it's relatively easy to carry. Thanks for the info regardless.

Also, is it better to do a retro-build or just shell the 1600 burgerbucks and buy the Brownells M16A1 clone? I heard that retro-builds are hard to do due to parts availability, and building as close as you can to original specifications is difficult. Are there resources available to ensure that your build is as close to the original as possible? How about the Brownells? Also, what is the practical considerations for using an full length 5.56 rifle for home defense? Should I just stick to a handgun for those purposes?


537daf No.591904

File: cda364c3012cc18⋯.jpg (97.71 KB, 660x623, 660:623, american180SAS-660x623.jpg)

>>591900

>Beyond the obvious of rimfire's dud factor, its incredibly poor power and penetration makes it an insane choice for serious self defense when so many alternatives are available. Your love of your old plinker cartridge does not make it a capable or competent self defense cartridge, does not magically overcome its many weaknesses, doesn't give it any more bullet or power.

>he doesn't know about the American 180


55fa0d No.591906

>>590783

Sorry for not replying earlier.

No such thing as overkill. You have to stop an attacker before they can fight back and kill or hurt other people, no such thing as too incapacitated too quickly. If you kill the shit out of a man with a 500 Magnum and stop him instantly, that sin't overkill, that's the damn thing doing its job.

As for power and capacity, I stand by my choice, better to choose power over capacity in most cases. 50 AE is an extreme in that its too powerful to control, it also finally reaches a point of size destroying capacity. Massive, unwieldy guns with massive unwiedly recoil and blast, low capacity, at some point 45 ACP has become the ceiling.

9mm is capable of stopping people, is cheap, takes fewer materials in wartime conditions, is less powerful and easier to control of certain shooters. Militaries choose it for material and cost considerations, many shooters prefer it for its ease of use. Its not a worthless round, but 9mm fanbois claiming its the greatest combat pistol round forever are deluded and worshipping an an alter of a cult.


0d532a No.591907

>>591901

>Is .45 an obsolete defensive round?

Technically yes. Not because it's useless or has poor qualities per se, just that there are better options available, namely 10mm for large frame and .357 SIG for small frame.

> I feel like if you live in America, it's almost required that you get your hands on a 1911 at some point in your life.

I don't disagree there. In fact that's why I would suggest .45, if you're getting the ultimate burger gun may as well get it in the ultimate burger cartridge.


537daf No.591910

File: 3c5449cdf76f738⋯.jpg (24.85 KB, 452x353, 452:353, richniggashit.JPG)

>>591907

So what you're saying is that it get's the job done, just not as well as new options. What do you think about the 10mm 1911s? Are they a meme or is it a solid platform to run the round? Is the 1911 a reliable platform in .45 as well? I've heard a lot of conflicting information, and being a newfag, I just don't know any better.


0d532a No.591913

>>591910

Don't own any myself, but my understanding of 10mm 1911s is that the old Colt Commanders would get cracked frames after very high round counts, due to 10mm being such a heavy recoil round. Newly-made 10mm 1911s should be fine though, as metallurgy has caught up with the round. The 1911 won't be unreliable in either .45 or 10mm, as long as you don't abuse the gun. The problem with it is that compared to modern guns the 1911 has a higher number of parts, so doing maintenance on it is a bit of a chore and can't be done as easily in the field.


55fa0d No.591915

>>591310

What you mention is the reason why short barreled rifle caliber carbines exist and are used, in some cases they are preferred for power and terminal effect. But as said, at some point 5.56 NATO gets neutered to the point it's no longer much of any advantage, save maybe soft armor penetration, longer barrel pistol calibers start to eat it. In cases where suppressors are desired and stealth desired, the pistol caliber submachine gun is still best. A supressed short barrel carbine is still a bitch, while a suppressed SMG is wonderful Don't expect the MP5 to every truly die or go away, even with short carbines, bullpups, or even new SMG.

>>591601

>>591694

>>591703

The legal groundwork is there to put you in jail or haul you into court on trumped up charges. Honestly, the way they wrote the law, the ATF could almost ban ANY lead free bullet the way the law is written. Therein lies the GREAT TRAP potential of United States areas and entire states banning lead ammunition, they could ban all non lead bullets than ban all lead free bullets for being "armor piercing" thus ban all bullets with one law overlapping the other. People in Californaistan might be without a legal bullet at some point, which may be part of their bigger plan.

Yes, you could finish the bullet by machining it, but how much time are you going to spend on ONE bullet? Remember that tolerances are down to the thousands of an inch, you can't be off .001 +/-. Setup for quick and mass production could be difficult, but technically possible.

Copper and brass bullets seem to have potential for long range ballistics, long and solid, I've heard a few people say work well. For ultra high velocity shooters they resist deformation, but if you aren't shooting ultra high velocity stuff it probably doesn't matter.

Also keep in mind that the "dum dum" jacketed lead soft point is the pinnacle of terminal performance, lead free comes nowhere near. Jackets protect the squishy soft lead core and keep it from fragmenting and failing too much, while that squishy soft lead core expands and mooshes against flesh the best way possible to crush and stretch tissue to the breaking point. Other materials appear to offer no advantages i this regard; bullets may do nothing but move backwards in the future if we leave the jacketed lead bullet behind.


0d532a No.591917

>>591899

Sure, I can get you pics later today. Again though, you don't need the delta ring or the handguard cap if you're getting free-float rails, those are only for the mils-spec plastic handguards.

>Compensator

Are you sure you want one? 5.56 is a pretty soft-shooting round with not a lot of recoil, so it's easy to control with just a flash hider. And the thing about compensators is that they give you obnoxious flash plumes and sideblast.


b847d5 No.591919

>>591917

Noted on the delta ring and handguard cap, and I kinda wanted to experiment with a compensator


b847d5 No.591920

>>591917

Eventually I will likely be getting a suppressor though I am a Colorado Boy (Currently out of state so buying the mags in advance)


b2587d No.591934

>>591649

The only black powder buttfuckery in CA is that maxim 50 suppressed meme gun. Everything else is still the same as other places. We can still buy BP revolvers sold in blister packs off the shelf, and guns like thompson center space muskets are just fine too. Don't know why he's got stress over black powder though when he should be stressing over something like the declining handgun roster or gun parts ban.

>>591463

Hey faggot don't be retarded. If you're buying a gun for real practical use then buy a real gun like an AR or handgun. Just get whatever before it hits the chopping block again. If you still want a BP just walk into basspro or other fuddtier gun shop and you can still jerk off to a wide selection of niche as fuck firearms only good for specific types of hunting or as a range toy.


925f57 No.591951

File: d7fa70a2b3a51bc⋯.jpg (129.84 KB, 1024x652, 256:163, 1530126115202m.jpg)

Aside from drilling a little hole above the selector what other modifications would I need to fit a full auto tcg in a stripped ar15 lower receiver? Ive no intention of making said modifications just curious.


0d532a No.591952

File: 4fd5960a080a77c⋯.jpg (3.6 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, 20180708_142638.jpg)

File: 16ccd1ff3fdef86⋯.jpg (3.84 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, 20180708_142701.jpg)

>>591917

>>591919

>>591920

Pics as promised. Parts list is as follows:

Smoke Composites stock/buffer tube

JP SCS Gen 2

Geissele Airborne Charging Handle

Toolcraft Nitride BCG

Aero Precision upper receiver, no FA

Aero Precision M4E1 lower

milspec LPK

BAD-EPS takedown pins

KE SLT-1 Trigger

KE ambi safety, 45 degree throw

Ergo Tactical Deluxe grip

Brigand Arms "Atlas" handguard

Faxon pencil barrel, 16"

A2 flash hider

Magpul MBUS

Optics, if you're interested, are as follows:

Holosun HE515CM-GR

Vortex 3x magnifier


60c5f1 No.591968

File: 466fe5f9aeb052b⋯.jpg (13.94 KB, 334x274, 167:137, 4zpwqFD.jpg)

>>591952

>blows $900 on carbon fiber

>a fucking holosun and vortex

this is why you don't listen to gun memes


60c5f1 No.591969

>>591917

> And the thing about compensators is that they give you obnoxious flash plumes and sideblast.

the blast will only come at you if the vents are directed towards you, otherwise the only negative is not "plume" and blast, but noise.


bf580a No.591970

>>591969

I was thinking less about the shooter and more about the people on either side of you at the range.


bf580a No.591979

>>591968

<a fucking holosun and vortex

You realize blindly hating these things because people you don't like use them is just as retarded as blindly endorsing them, right? Holosun has an Elite line with durability that's seems on par with the Trijicon MRO in durability. Sure, it doesn't have the "proven track record" of the MRO, but what we've seen so far is very promising, enough that I think it's worth the risk to try one out. If it breaks on me a few years down the line, then I'll eat my humble pie and get an aimpoint. But for now, I'll enjoy the additional features offered by holosun.

Glocks were shit on pretty hard in the early years as well. But, although I'm not personally a fan of them, I can't deny that they are decent, functional guns.


b847d5 No.591980

>>591952

Shit you even have the style of optic I wanted.


b847d5 No.591982

>>591970

Oh I use a private range


bf580a No.591983

>>591982

Oh, you lucky bastard. Godspeed.


b847d5 No.591985

>>591983

Just live in the mid west and own 600 acres yourself or know someone who does.


60c5f1 No.591987

>>591970

>I was thinking about people at the range

must be a cramped pussy range.

>>591979

>You realize blindly hating these things because people you don't like use them is just as retarded as blindly endorsing them, right

<muh horseshoe

they're long-standing cheapo optic brands. Certain ones are good for the price, more so vortex than holosun, but that you traded good optics for carbon fiber is what's pretty stupid. The margin of difference in performance of optics is much greater than carbon fiber vs a magpulshit composite and aluminum.

Not only that, but the carbon fiber looks like shit. I mean the front rail looks like braided fence wire and that stock looks very uncomfortable, there's nothing in the way of a cheek rest whatsoever.


b847d5 No.591988

>>591952

Alright lets talk, I made a burner email and I am going to take a few precautions dealing with someone online. fa58ce92b@protonmail.com


0d532a No.592025

>>591987

>but that you traded good optics for carbon fiber is what's pretty stupid

You see, I don't believe I made a trade at all. The reason I went with Holosun and not Aimpoint is that I consider the featureset exclusive to Holosun–the motion sensor, the solar panel, and the green LED–desirable. Glass and reticule clarity is, at least to my eyes, indistinguishable to Aimpoint's. Durability seems very good. There are loads of videos of them getting dropped, drowned, and otherwise abused. The guys over at Battlefield Las Vegas have been running SIG Romeos (which are rebranded Holosuns) on their rifles and report no issues. The elite line is rated for 30m submerged for 30 minutes, same as the Trijicon MRO. And yes, that's not nearly as "battle-proven" as Aimpoints and the trials they had to go through to be accepted as military hardware. But you know what? With a 10 year warranty I don't give a shit. If this thing ends up breaking on me I'll replace it, eat my humble pie and get an Aimpoint next time. But until that happens, I'm quite secure in my purchase.

>Not only that, but the carbon fiber looks like shit.

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>stock looks very uncomfortable, there's nothing in the way of a cheek rest whatsoever.

They actually sell a cheek riser for it. After getting the stock and firing a few rounds through it I decided I was comfortable, and didn't need the riser.

>>591988

Sent you an email.


60c5f1 No.592028

>>592025

tbh, I'm totally shitposting at this point, so don't listen to like 4 of my earlier posts. I just bought this the other day (I'm an Eotech fan).

https://palmettostatearmory.com/sig-sauer-romeo3-1x25mm-3-moa-reflex-sight-with-high-rise-co-witness-mount-sor31099.html?avad=211021_e1264ca8d&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl

seemed like a good deal since it's usual price is in the 400 range. What's your opinion on it?

All the Vortex, Holosun, and Burris elite level optics like what you have are from what I've heard very good, I just can't get over paying hundreds of dollars for carbon fiber when I can pay about $300 for a good rail and comfy magpulshit stock.


0d532a No.592029

>>592028

>I just can't get over paying hundreds of dollars for carbon fiber when I can pay about $300 for a good rail and comfy magpulshit stock.

That's fair. I just have a peculiar form of autism which makes me enjoy making the rifle as light as possible without sacrificing essential function or durability. And I don't intend to own more than one AR at a given time so I don't feel too bad dumping a little more money into this one. Actually dumped the CF in favor of magnsium-alloyed Al.


60c5f1 No.592046

>>592029

btw, do you have sauce on the Sig Holosun optics connection? I'm planning to get the Sig Bravo 4 and Echo 1 this black friday but now I'm confused about what the hell is going on.


0d532a No.592060

>>592046

I've been trying to find one and I can't. Full disclosure, may have been speculation on my part that I thought was confirmed but wasn't. But looking at the body design of the Romeos, the features they have (reticule that switches between dot/circle/circle-dot, and the solar panels especially–I have to wonder if that's patented because no other optics company does it), and the durability ratings on the spec sheet the Romeo line is all but identical to the Holosun series with some minor cosmetic changes. Even the model numbers (Romeo4/5, Holosun 4xx/5xx) have a rough correspondence.


9729f4 No.592083

>>591906

>9mm is capable of stopping people, is cheap, takes fewer materials in wartime conditions, is less powerful and easier to control of certain shooters.

So, does 9mm trade efficiency for simplicity? Is it a simplified, weaker and cheaper 357Sig?

>>591915

At what barrel length does SBR start being inferior to an SMG, if we're talking about 556? Is there a possibility of a cartridge in between a pistol and an intermediate one, specifically for these barrels?

>Don't expect the MP5 to every truly die or go away, even with short carbines, bullpups, or even new SMG.

What's so good about MP5? Aren't there any other comparable SMGs? I've heard scorpion evo 3 is pretty good.

It seems that if weight and overall size is not an issue, a bullpup rifle is a way to go, while an SMG is either for suppressed fire or if you want something smaller and lighter, but not as much as a pistol, given a stock and longer barrel.

>Setup for quick and mass production could be difficult, but technically possible.

Well, it's not a matter of practicality mostly, as lead is more common even if SHTF, as well as the ammo designs of today.

>Copper and brass bullets seem to have potential for long range ballistics, long and solid, I've heard a few people say work well.

Well, in case i'm gonna build a truck mounted railgun, i'll know what to choose.

>Other materials appear to offer no advantages i this regard; bullets may do nothing but move backwards in the future if we leave the jacketed lead bullet behind.

Any applications for precision shooting for long ranges? I've heard copper bullets offer more accuracy so might it be useful as alternative for cast lead for rounds like 308, 6.5 or .50, if whatever reason does not allow you to get proper ammo?


482cab No.592092

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

How the FUCK do I get rid of spiders? Every FUCKING night, right before i put my phone down and decide Im ready to go to sleep, one of those crawly bastards decided to let me know it is IN the fucking BED WITH ME. First order of business is to caulk every corner in this shitty fuck trailer home, and around the window, obviously, but what are my options as far as poision? Is there any truth to the peppermint oil meme? Why do spiders want to be in the bed with me?


3d9f5d No.592093

>>592092

Spider is nice around the house since it kills roaches.

I welcome spiders, geckos and other roach-killing species.


482cab No.592097

>>592093

Odd that a bug person isn't afraid of a bug eater.


3d9f5d No.592101

>>592097

Roach is literally the worst next to termite.


ffec19 No.592104

>>592092

Well, first of all why are you living in a shitty trailer home? Second, what the hell is wrong with spiders? What harm do they do? They eat all those annoying little nuisances that buzz around your head and feed on your blood/ faeces and spread all sorts of germs and diseases. Basically what >>592093 says. They are literally natures's little Serbs: they remove kebab and all sort of other assorted scum. And the fact that they like to crawl in your bed, I think, is a display of affection and solidarity. Why would you want to harm a cute little spider?

And third, how in the holy name of fuck is this /k/ related?


482cab No.592105

File: 6eb204b88fdbaad⋯.jpg (3.05 MB, 4160x3120, 4:3, IMG_20180709_034611927.jpg)

>>592104

1.poor

2.THEYS NOT MINDING MY PERSONAL GODDAMM SPACE AND ARE IN MY BED WITH ME WHEN I AM SLEEPING, pic related.

3.its more of an /out/ thing I admit but that board is deader than this one and I wanted to take my chances with receiving a helpful reply within the week instead within the next two months.

Thank you for non helpful post number three


959d10 No.592111

File: 176de06d4cc350a⋯.jpg (33.73 KB, 1000x707, 1000:707, 5e8df1c7f32cb19f0441bc6078….jpg)

>>592104

This, take care of them


3d9f5d No.592115

>>592105

What kind of spider?


ffec19 No.592133

>>592105

>pic related

Well the first thing that comes to mind is that you need to slim the fuck down. They would never let you in /out/ anyway. The spiders probably think you're some sort of big, giant bug or larva or something and that's why they come in your bed and bite you.


348156 No.592134

File: 95ffa0999509070⋯.jpg (106.4 KB, 539x800, 539:800, rachneera.jpg)

>>592092

>Why do spiders want to be in the bed with me?

Cause you're a lucky bastard.


ffec19 No.592135

>>592134

This. I think it's a case of harem protag syndrome. For some reason a bunch of cute little girls are attracted to an annoying, useless worthless slob with no personality, and he's fucking bothered by it while the rest of us would fucking pay to be in his shoes.


f999a3 No.592138

File: 0bdfd7d2cb9b2ce⋯.webm (3.61 MB, 640x360, 16:9, how_to_get_rid_of_spiders.webm)


ee75a0 No.592141

>>592092

Just get the shit you spray around your door/window. It'll stop them from coming in so you can remove those within with impunity.


8ab0f8 No.592156

Do you have screenshots about women in military?


c45806 No.592158

File: 29ae3f3965b9402⋯.jpg (641.05 KB, 677x2422, 677:2422, women_in_combat.jpg)

File: 5382c323f29f27c⋯.jpg (1.08 MB, 1552x2286, 776:1143, women in the armed forces.jpg)


8ab0f8 No.592160

>>592158

Please keep posting more caps, thank dude.


482cab No.592161

>>592133

Thanks to that bite, that leg is now permanently​ swollen thanks to lymphedema. I mean im fat too but this just makes it look moreso.


9d86c2 No.592162

>>592133

>They would never let you in /out/ anyway.

Only looking for skinny people for the ole in-out eh?


348156 No.592165

>>592161

How the fuck did you get permanent edema by a simple spider bite? Even Sydney web funnelers will give you a nasty necrotic permanently gaping hole without swelling you like that.


482cab No.592167

>>592165

Beats the fuck out of me. Im just telling you what the doctors told me


96f192 No.592173

File: 9d9c1bf6b939955⋯.jpg (177.86 KB, 800x453, 800:453, doesn't even use homemade ….jpg)

File: 82eaa039fc7a5e3⋯.jpg (59.35 KB, 586x420, 293:210, dykes.jpg)

File: 569d85068936f3e⋯.jpg (255.76 KB, 1000x666, 500:333, Eternal Soy.jpg)

File: 7f3e46b83fbc553⋯.jpg (708.32 KB, 1600x1067, 1600:1067, hey mom do i look cool yet.jpg)

What's the best body armor/impact protection one could buy with $1200 for beating up anarchocommies in a riot?

I don't trust anyone else but (You) when it comes to this stuff no homo

Pic related is the enemy


2e8eef No.592174

Are bumpfire stocks complete memes only useful as toys, or are they accurate enough to be used to create a usable not-an-IAR?


c699ba No.592192

>>592174

They were developed to stick it to the man and waste ammunition less efficiently.

If you practice with it, you might become at least competent but it's still you just pulling the gun in two directions.

The guy in Vegas had a bunch of stoppages with all of his and he put springs in them, which on top of being illegal gives the bumpstocks the best chance of actually working consistently.


60c5f1 No.592211

>>592083

>So, does 9mm trade efficiency for simplicity? Is it a simplified, weaker and cheaper 357Sig?

yes, basically.

>At what barrel length does SBR start being inferior to an SMG, if we're talking about 556?

20"

18" is okay, but I have a tism where I won't shoot 5.56 unless I know I'm getting over 3100 fps at the muzzle. 16" is degenerate and 14.7" is a hanging offence.

>Is there a possibility of a cartridge in between a pistol and an intermediate one, specifically for these barrels?

300 blackout. Unlike 5.56, one of 300 blackout goals was to excel at 16" barrels and for that barrel it is imo a better round than 5.56.


8ab0f8 No.592267

>>592173

>Put the metal plate under your clothes

> sew the collar for the metal plate in

> use the gel shield under your mask

> wear the helmet


153ffb No.592322

File: 16e04317c1cbccc⋯.jpg (41.51 KB, 720x540, 4:3, 63744251-720px.jpg)

File: f98909e9bb7e0b4⋯.gif (2.04 MB, 483x400, 483:400, unhappy then happy.gif)

>>589125

me again,

what are some recommended air rifles because the price range seems pretty odd.

It's for my backyard mainly and i'd be shooting birds 15-30 meters away and I'd like it to be as quiet as possible without breaking $100-scope included unless my 40mm rings fit on it.

at first it was just for some overly aggressive grackles but now some

fucking red-wing blackbirds just showed up too and attacked my dog. I'd be doing the neighborhood some good if I took them out. been trying to shoot them with my old airsoft gun with no luck. got rid of the feeder too but they're staying for the birdbath and my neighbors feeder ==this is what i deserve for recently obtaining a bird watching hobby==


f999a3 No.592335

>>592161

Strelok don't put off going to a doctor. A friend of mine got bitten in bed by a brown recluse a few years ago and it ended up permanently paralyzing him from the waste down. Took a few weeks to set in but once it did he was fucked. Stood up to get out of bed one day and never walked again. Now he wears a diaper and needs a wheelchair.


ee75a0 No.592337

>>592322

Find a cheap crosman if you can.


b3e03d No.592351

>>592211

>16" is degenerate

So under 16" does it offer less overall performance than, say 10" 357Sig? At what length does it make sense to pick a pistol caliber?

>for that barrel it is imo

Imo? Is it debatable?

>300 blackout

How does it perform compared to 556? Does it offer anything that SMGs do not? Can it penetrate IIIa armor?


f999a3 No.592352

What are some tips for defending my farm when SHTF? I'm mostly concerned with friendly people. Constantly hear things like

>anon we're coming to your place if SHTF

From my friends. I've explained this would not be possible because I can't feed them and if I did let them in they'd have to work the fields and supply enough food for themselves for the first year. Their eyes just glaze over and they obviously don't understand what I'm talking about.

I'm considering abandoning it during SHTF if it's just me left. If my Grandmother/brother/father are still alive though I'll be more or less forced to defend it. There is a bridge on one end with a large river crossing so I don't see much problem with that section but the other three sides are wide open and a highway runs through the middle of it now.


96f192 No.592360

>>592352

Minefields


959d10 No.592362

>>592352

Someone to shoot/scare away trespassers from a long distance


c699ba No.592369

>>592352

For actual no-kidding SHTF you could always fuck the ecosystem surrounding you and let a bunch of dogs loose into the wild to form packs and wreak havoc/be a general nuisance to anyone walking around. Back in the day, packs of wild dogs were a dangerous problem and even the gubmint is too slow to take care of it.

This is hypothetical, of course.


f4075e No.592403

>>592351

.300 does really well out of short barrels as well as with a can

>>592352

Do as I do, set up no-go zones and tell people to fuck off if they aren't willing to work


0c2284 No.592433

>>592352

How many acres are we talking here? How much of it can you cover / observe from the homestead?

The half of the farm across the highway would be a lost cause. The three unprotected borders I would, money depending, put up an iron fence and plant a thorny hedgerow to grow up around it.


d2558f No.592443

File: 4851e90d6ace3ca⋯.png (2.04 MB, 1216x616, 152:77, ClipboardImage.png)

>>592433

>a thorny hedgerow to grow up around it

This. Something like a blackthorn hedge is nature's own barbed wire and once it's there you'll need a bulldozer to get through.


8bb43c No.592511

File: 7c89751560e63b0⋯.jpg (123.16 KB, 336x422, 168:211, 56776324_p0.jpg)

>>592443

Been considering doing something akin to that. Mound up dirt around the property (mostly as a wind break) and plant bushes on it and trees behind it, thus allowing the barrier to keep durr and ATF out. However, I like things having multiple uses, know of any thorny hedgerow bush that either gives useful berries or perhaps flowers in a way that bees like?


d2558f No.592525

>>592511

I don't know any American varieties, but common blackthorn produces berries that contain c-vitamins and can be made into pretty good jam, juice or low-grade wine.

That is, if you're in a temperate area or still have access to a freezer after SHTF. The berries need a few hours below freezing to turn sweet instead of bitter.


60c5f1 No.592547

>>592351

>So under 16" does it offer less overall performance than, say 10" 357Sig

>At what length does it make sense to pick a pistol caliber?

Don't pick a pistol caliber for a carbine. Pistol calibers are for pistols or submachine guns, and submachine guns are only really useful in full auto, which is banned, so they're not really useful considering 5.56 and 300 blackout.

There's two basic options you have:

20" for 5.56

16" for 300 blackout.

300 blackout is better out of <16" barrels than 5.56, but you're still losing velocity/energy. Again, you're asking a guy that is obsessed with always having as much power as possible, so I'm going to say go 16" 300 blackout if you want a short barrel.

It is of course debatable. 14.7" 5.56 has about 2850 fps at the muzzle. I with my 20" have that velocity at 100-150 yards, so by going 14.7" you have already reduced your effective range by 100-150 yards. That may not seem like alot, but remember 5.56 is only effective at about 300 yards, so you're basically almost cutting the round's total effective range in half. That's just how I look at it.


f999a3 No.592574

>>592433

100 acres of fields and 200 acres of woodland. Woodland is on the other side of the river/bridge. Main water source (spring) on the other side of the highway.


322a5d No.592584

>>592511

"Hedge" is a catch-all term for any dense or thorny organic fence. In the middle ages hedges were considered cheap durable fencing only used by lowest peasants hence the "hedge knight" moniker for cheap knights but by the end of the middle age a lot of rich manor-houses used elaborate hedges as well. You could have a hedge made of cacti, or from evergreens, or from roses. A rose hedge was my grandmothers specialty, she got paid over $750,000 a year to maintain three clients rose hedges.

If you are in a moderate clime, plant two rows of alternating pines. They will create a wind and sound barrier, such as if a road is nearby. They also last all year.

If you are just interested in a hedge, use blackthorn or firethorn, it will produce flowers for bees and is pretty nasty against intruders.


4f8e7b No.592598

>>592547

7.62x39 might be a cheaper alternative to .300 Blackout for short barrels, but of course it also brings other problems.


0d532a No.592600

>>592584

>hence the "hedge knight" moniker for cheap knights

I thought that was because they were homeless vagrants and slept in hedges.


0d532a No.592602

>>591988

>>592025

So if you're not interested anymore that's fine, I get it. But I'd prefer it if you let me know one way or the other.


194ae3 No.592643

Price no object, what's a nice optics setup for an AR (20" barrel) that isn't too heavy? Was looking at a 4x ACSS ACOG, with an offset RMR for close range. I like the BDC, and the idea of battery free Illumination, but am open to other options.


1715b4 No.592659

>>592547

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I meant SMG when i said pistol caliber carbine, but i guess carbine is semiauto or longer.

I actually just realized that i really lack understanding of the differences between pistol and rifle rounds. Could you explain me the main differences? I know about different powders and barrels for them, but i how does bullet behaves and how it impacts the target for these types of rounds?


805b44 No.592711

>>592659

It's a case of "you know it when you see it." Pistol cartridges are slower and have less muzzle energy compared to rifle or intermediate calibers. What this means in practical terms is a couple things. First is range: pistol cartridges, at the extreme end, have an effective range of ~100 meters or so. Intermediate rifle cartridges, the next category up, have an extreme effective range of ~400 meters. Second is that while rifle calibers will kill a target through sheer transfer of energy, pistol calibers rely more on wound cavity. This isn't to say that wound vector doesn't matter for rifles (there's a reason SP and copper bullets exist for rifles) or that energy doesn't matter for pistols, but it's a difference to be aware of.


3ea08a No.592800

File: e9d6b684e52f1c1⋯.jpg (76.56 KB, 1280x1277, 1280:1277, IMG_20180709_212656_448.jpg)

Why dont i ever hear about you faggots buying shotguns with a marine coating


55fa0d No.592818

>>592659

The definition has traditionally well understood by actual shooters, harder to define as an absolute objective to non shooters. Pistol calibers are defined traditionally as those intended primarily for handguns, ie. 9mm Luger, 45 ACP, 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 10mm, 380 ACP, 7.62 Tokarev, 9mm Makarov, ect. Rifle cartridges were always defined as those designed primarily for long barrels in rifles, ie. 8mm Mauser, 30-06, 7.62R, .308, ..223, 375 H&H, 45-70 Gubmint, 30-30, ect. Actual shooters knew the purpose and history of each cartridge so they already knew which was which.

To the outside observer things got muddied because popular military pistol calibers were put into their submachineguns, ie. 45 ACP into the Tommy Gun and M3 Greaser, 9mm Luger into the original submachinegun from WW1 and later MP40, MP5, Uzi, ect., you get the picture. Now the pistol caliber was in a long gun, albeit a very short long gun that wasn't a true rifle or carbine, but a technical long gun nonetheless.

Add to this popular revolver cartridges have been put into rifles and carbines ever since some of the first centerfire cartridge designs like the 44-40, which was popular in both revolvers and lever guns, and today the 357 Magnum and 44 Magnum are very popular short range medium game rifle considerations, often in traditional lever guns. Many civilians buy, collect, and shoot, sometimes hunt with submachine gun designs that have been sporterized or made semi automatic, in the US they often have ridiculous looking 16 inch barrels to comply with certain US laws, and become effectively carbines or short rifles.

Normal old fashioned shooters understand that its a pistol cartridge being put into a submachine gun, rifle, or carbine, so there's no confusion with us. But someone outside might think "Well, its being loaded into a rifle, doesn't that make it a rifle cartridge?"

To further add confusion many rifle calibers were shot out of purpose built single shot hunting and target pistols, such as the old Thompson Center. Some would hunt with these specialty pistols, 30-30 rifle rounds were now being fired out of a long barreled single shot handgun. Some will even take the recoil and blast of higher power calibers, .308 included, in certain configurations, and this lead to more confusion for outsiders. Still there are those who have made speciality 45-70 Gubmit revolvers. We all knew they were rifle cartridges being fired out of a handgun, but outsiders might ask "If its being fired form a handgun, doens't that make it a pistol round?"

In general, rifle cartridges are longer and bigger, often are bottleneck, they are designed to burn large amounts of slow burning powder to operate at higher pressures and fire much, much heavier bullets than handgun cartridges at the same caliber. A 358 rifle cartridge like the 35 Whelen or 358 Winchester see 200 grain bullets as light, while a 200 grain bullet for 357 Magnum is considered super heavy. Keep in mind the .355 9mm Luger thinks 147 grain bullets are heavy. .300-.313 caliber handguns think 115 grain bullets are super heavy, but rifles in that range are "at home" at 168 grain and are often used on big game with 220 grain round nose. They expect long barrels to maximize their slow burning powder and performance.

Handgun cartridges tend to be straight cased, short, small, low capacity, are built to be compact, especially auto loader handgun cartridges that must fit in magazines that fit inside the pistol grip. They are designed around very light bullets for caliber, designed to use very fast burning powders that work best in short barrels in handguns. While many rifle cartridges may not see complete powder burn and optimum performance until barrels reach 25-30 inches, most handgun powders will reach optimum burn at 16-18 inches.

Again, "you know it when you see it" is right, but it can be a touchy subject.


60c5f1 No.592838

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>592659

basically, pistol rounds are simply weaker, that's why many self defense pistol rounds these days have a very pronounced hollow-point, to compensate for the lack of speed/energy, and to prevent over-penetration.

However, there isn't a clear-cut point at which a pistol round can suddenly become a rifle round. The best "line" separating the two we have are "intermediate" rounds like the 5.56x45mm nato round, 300 blackout or 7.62x39. They're low recoil, more powerful than semi-auto pistol rounds by far, but they're not nearly as powerful as actual rifle rounds like a 7mm Rem mag for example, or even a .308. They try to bridge the gap.

How do they impact targets? It really depends on the round. 5.56 will explode a target because it's such a small piece of lead moving at such high velocities. It is therefore very velocity dependent. 300 blackout doens't need as much velocity because it is a bigger bullet, by over twice as much, 125 grain vs 55 or 62 grains.

vid-related is how a full powered rifle round impacts a target: complete annihilation.


60c5f1 No.592839

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>592659

>>592838

pistol rounds are far, far weaker. This is a .357 Sig, which is the strongest semi-auto round out there besides 10mm, and it obviously can't compare to a rifle round.


60c5f1 No.592841

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>592839

>>592838

>>592659

that's a 300 blackout

way stronger than the .357 Sig, but not on the level of the 7mm magnum. It's in between.


322a5d No.592843

>>592659

Pistol rounds emphasize momentum instead of energy, because they have a size limitation, they have to be put in a grip. And there's no need for them to be flat shooters, their effective range doesn't require it.

Rifles on the other hand need to emphasize speed for flatter shooting, because they often have to shoot at much greater ranges. This often means lighter bullets travelling faster, which has lower momentum but higher energy.

Pistol rounds generally under 1000J of energy.

Intermediate rounds between 1000-3000J.

Rifle rounds generally above 3000J of energy.

Revolver rounds are different, they don't have to be put in a grip, so they get a lot closer to rifle energies. But they're still short ranged, so they don't have to be flat/fast shooters, which means they can emphasize momentum over energy. Hence very heavy rounds.


7b73b7 No.592850

>>592643

Elcan Specter?


ad567c No.592852

I've been out of the country, off the grid, in the mountains since we called the time June. What broke, what's fixed? Heard about Trump's SCOTUS nominee.

Also, did you guys know about mastodon? Specifically, the 2A minded instance? Here's a long tirade about banks refusing to give you your money to buy funz.

https 2ndamendment.social/@kaavik_b/100255793671594563


0d532a No.592855

>>592850

He said "that isn't too heavy." The Elcan is many things, but lightweight is not one of them.


0d532a No.592856

>>592852

Seems like a honeypot tbh


ad567c No.592858

>>592856

It's open source software, so the question is do you trust the admin. Also, of course, if you make your posts public, then anyone can read them, so consider what you say in public, as ever.

It's not twitter, and humans ARE social creatures. I think this is a fair alternative – just don't be passing around lightning link .SVGs out in the open.


537daf No.592878

Looking into building an A1 clone with some personal touches:

>will an A1 lower only take waffle mags or will any AR magazine work in it?

>will an A1 lower accept an A2 upper? What about a modern flap top?

>Are theyre carrying handles that feature a pic rail on top? What is the downside to this other than no co-witness? Do they make one that in the style of the A1?

>I don't really plan on shooting green tips out of it, will a 1:12 twist like the original barrels be fine?

>do you need the front, triangular sight post to have a bayonet lug?

>what are some well priced triggers that prioritize reliability I could throw in my build?

>is titanium nitride a meme?


60c5f1 No.592888

>>592843

>momentum over energy

this is a bogus distinction. High energy relative to bullet weight can also have tremendous momentum. A 300 blackout has half the bullet size of a .45 acp, but we're going to say the .45acp has "momentum" whereas the 300 blackout is merely "energetic?" Of course not, the blackout has more "momentum," if by that you mean it can knock over a steel plate with more authority.

Frankly the anti-energy, anti-science arguments here are Fuddy Five apologetics. Rob Leatheam did one of those "momentum" videos. Yeah, 45acp has more momentum than chickenshit 9mm in 115 grain normal pressure, and it has more energy too. Notice that Rob didn't pick on a .40 or .357 Sig or .357 Magnum.

>"revolvers emphasize momentum over energy because they have big bullets."

the same logic problem is true here but even worse because there's so much diversity in the revolver world. How exactly does a 460sw magnum emphasize momentum over energy when it has almost as much energy as a .308 while shooting a 300 grain bullet? A 44 magnum has more energy than 5.56 with a .240 grain bullet, but it's de-emphasizing energy?

Such is the mental gymnastics of the Fuddy Five.

What makes more sense is to stick with the pistol/intermediate/rifle splits, and then take it on a round by round basis. To pretend that energy suddenly ceases to mean anything below a certain threshold is arbitrary cherry-picking.


0d532a No.592890

>>592878

All lowers should take any type of AR-15 magazine. Any lower should accept any kind of upper.

<Are theyre carrying handles that feature a pic rail on top? What is the downside to this other than no co-witness?

Height-over-bore will be somewhat of an issue; the greater the distance between your barrel and your optic, the faster and greater your point-of-impact will drift from your point-of-aim when your'e not shooting at whatever distance you zeroed the rifle at. And yes, they do make Picatinny rails that will fit on top of carry handles if that's what you desire. Alternatively, certain optics such as ACOGs are designed to be attached directly to the carry handle, without the need for an additional rail.

A 1:12 twist would be fine if you don't plan to shoot anything heavier longer than M193. Your gun won't explode if you shoot M855, the rounds will just start keyholing real early.

<do you need the front, triangular sight post to have a bayonet lug?

There are aftermarket parts you can buy if you want to use a bayonet lug with a non-triangular gas block, and there are non-standard gas blocks that have bayonet lugs, but they are the exception and not the rule; most lo pro gas blocks won't have a lug on them.

>what are some well priced triggers that prioritize reliability I could throw in my build?

Most aftermarket triggers are about improving performance and comfort rather than reliability, as the AR trigger is already pretty rugged and there's not a whole lot you can do to improve reliability. The only trigger that I know of with improved reliability is the KE SLT-1; KE redesigned the trigger assembly so that they could seal up the sear and disconnector inside an aluminum cuck shed where they're protected from dirt. If that trigger is over your budget, you'll probably be fine with a milspec or a Milspec+ trigger like the ALG ACT.

<is titanium nitride a meme?

Yes and no. It works well and does what it's supposed to, but it's only a little bit better than melonite/black nitride, while being a good deal more expensive. But if you want to show off the bling and sheeit you put on your gat when you meet with your fam at the rap grand slam, however, the extra price might be worth it for you.


ebb4e9 No.592894

>>592643 here, I've narrowed it to either a TA31 with an RMR offset, or just a TA33, no RMR. Thoughts? This is on a 20 inch barrel by the way.


537daf No.592897

>>592890

ayyyyy u da best, thanks for all the info, i think ill stick to the triangular front sight post and just slap a pic rail for ease on top of the carry handle. Ill have to do more research on triggers. Couple more questions:

>if triggers focus on comfort and reliability already is part of the package, what brands would you recommend for a crisp trigger?

>do companies still make A1 period accurate bayonets? How hard to get a real one? Can you shoot with it on? How useful is a bayonet in a home defense situation?

>What companies do you recommend for a 20 inch pencil barrel?


85d6b9 No.592904

What does /k/ thinks of genocide, culling, elitism and this song?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/JzZWnIfPOJ3X/


7f74ab No.592913

>>592904

Is this MK-ULTRA?


a0de6b No.592945

>>592711

>>592818

>>592843

>>592888

Wow, thanks for such extensive info guys, it's amazing. I've still got some questions though.

How does a bullet impact a body when it enters it? It creates a wound, obviously, but how does the energy transfer aside from penetration? I've also heard of hydrostatic shock, but this was a bit complicated.

Why are revolver rounds so different, aside from the stronger frames and cylinder length. Why are they more rifle-like when revolvers do not have much longer barrels?

Is everything really so dependent on the barrel length? Are any powerful rounds possible to be used without a long barrel, or will their strength always be limited to it? I'm not talking about current options only, are there any possible solutions to this problems in other firearm designs, like gyrojet?


c8d337 No.592953

>>592945

Revolver rounds at a point in time were dual use, for example the 44-40 winchester


c699ba No.592956

>>592945

>How does a bullet impact a body when it enters it? It creates a wound, obviously, but how does the energy transfer aside from penetration? I've also heard of hydrostatic shock, but this was a bit complicated.

There's a lot of debate around this regardless of actual study or evidence.

Generally speaking, a bullet - being much lighter than a human body - cannot move a person, so resistance will cause the projectile to compress as it pushes through. How much it deforms will depend on the composition and material of the projectile.

For "killing power" it's considered that a larger surface area is more reliable, so smaller diameter bullets that deform and open up similar to flower petals are an attempt to compensate. The more deformation, the more drag it causes ripping and tearing to the tissue as an aside, slowing down the projectile and transferring its energy/"momentum" into the target.

Hydrostatic shock is a very controversial topic relating to the amount of water displaced when the body is struck with a bullet. It exists, but to what extent it may actually affect someone is a well-debated point with no actual answers. You can't extract that information from dead people and the general populace, let alone people who get shot, usually barely know how to describe a gunshot let alone the effects.

>Why are revolver rounds so different, aside from the stronger frames and cylinder length

They're early cartridge guns from a time where rimmed ammunition was the standard.

>Why are they more rifle-like when revolvers do not have much longer barrels?

It was generally what worked, and that idea just kept going. Put more power into a gun that isn't restricted by grip size.

>Is everything really so dependent on the barrel length?

Generally yes. You need to build up velocity to reach its optimal potential.

>Are any powerful rounds possible to be used without a long barrel, or will their strength always be limited to it?

Slow and heavy works with shorter barrels, quick and small works well with longer barrels. Each will reach their top speed at different barrel lengths, similar to throwing a brick as opposed to a baseball.

>I'm not talking about current options only, are there any possible solutions to this problems in other firearm designs, like gyrojet?

The gyrojet is a special case because the barrel was mainly to stabilize and direct rather than build up velocity, that's what the propellant was for. The farther you were from the target the more effective it was.


4153d9 No.592962

I just got a SKS 2day and wanted to no if anyone had any experience with the top cover replacement rail systems.

Also I got one of the muddy looking fiberglass stocks.


c699ba No.592964

>>592962

Consensus is that mounting shit on the dust cover depends on the fit between it and the rifle.

Years ago it was a terrible idea because aftermarket parts wobbled a lot, but quality has increased and mounting an actual scope with acceptable performance is now possible.

If it's for a red dot it's still preferable to just get a railed handguard, though.


a0de6b No.592965

>>592956

>For "killing power" it's considered that a larger surface area is more reliable, so smaller diameter bullets that deform and open up

But how exactly does each bullet kill? Is it blood loss from the would from the bullet, damage to vital organs or extreme pain, is there anything else about it? How does .40 compare to .223, being almost 2 times larger in diameter? Shouldn't the wound be a lot bigger, assuming both bullets went through the body, and therefore lethality of the 40 as well?

>Put more power into a gun that isn't restricted by grip size.

So, could pistol rounds be improved if they were not designed to fit into a handgun handle, and were limited only by the barrel length? How would they look like?

>You need to build up velocity to reach its optimal potential.

Could you explain more on that? The pressure of the expanding gasses pushes the bullet so the longer the barrel the longer the pressure would speed it up. Other way to speed it is to increase the pressure over the same length, which is also hard to do, right? What is optimal potential, do you mean for a certain round?


19bf98 No.592969

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Would it be worth selling off an SLR-107FR in order to build a Galil? Love it to death but man, Galil's are like that Jew model ZOG puts in every IDF propoganda poster/video. Or shall I just embrace the slav and make my 107 as close to a 103 as possible?


c699ba No.592970

>>592965

>But how exactly does each bullet kill?

Striking vital organs to cause failure, internal bleeding, and otherwise causing the body to rapidly shut down. In rare cases, going into shock has caused people to die without particularly fatal wounds.

>How does .40 compare to .223, being almost 2 times larger in diameter?

Depends on the projectile itself. For closer targets, pistols have less of a problem transferring energy because of their low velocities upon leaving the barrel - this means that, without sacrificing penetration ability, it will meet more resistance from the internal tissue and cause more damage.

>How would they look like?

Stunted rifle rounds, probably.

There was a push for bottlenecked cartridges for some time(.357 SIG being the best performer, 5.7 and other PDW rounds being the most recent) because the design of the brass allowed for a higher build-up of pressure behind a projectile while retaining the size of a pistol caliber.

>What is optimal potential, do you mean for a certain round?

There is a sweet spot in barrel length for each round that sits between too short and too long, taking full advantage of its capabilities. If a barrel is too short the projectile will have less velocity before leaving the barrel and, theoretically, lose some of its ballistic effectiveness. If a barrel is too long, the round will have spent enough time within the barrel to lose some of its velocity before having actually left the barrel and similarly loses some of its effectiveness.

For 5.56, as an example, a 20" barrel is what most ammunition is designed for. A 14.5" barrel, typical for the M4 rifle, loses the effectiveness of a standard service loading because the pressure behind the round cannot push the bullet fast enough to meet the intended performance of the round with the length available.

This is avoiding most of the scientific nuance, of course.


c699ba No.592972

>>592970

>will have spent enough time within the barrel to lose some of its velocity

Okay I went full retard here - I mean to say that it will have spent enough time at a high velocity that it will lose energy much more quickly after having left the barrel.


a0de6b No.593003

>>592970

>Striking vital organs to cause failure, internal bleeding, and otherwise causing the body to rapidly shut down.

So, i got that right, good.

>For closer targets, pistols have less of a problem transferring energy because of their low velocities upon leaving the barrel

So, basically as long as both rounds penetrate the target completely, as in my example, the round with bigger diameter is a better killer, taken aside bullet shape, right? Its that the rifle round is capable of that same penetration on far bigger range that is the difference.

>There was a push for bottlenecked cartridges for some time

Is that a good thing? Are bottlenecked cartridges more important for more power in compact package, rather than general short barrel oriented rounds' performance? I really feel bad for SMGs nowadays, with them having to use rounds designed for completely different guns, while SBRs competing in losing most of their rounds' performance while beating petty handgun rounds and therefore perpetuating this madness.

>If a barrel is too short the projectile will have less velocity before leaving the barrel and, theoretically, lose some of its ballistic effectiveness. If a barrel is too long, the round will have spent enough time within the barrel to lose some of its velocity before having actually left the barrel and similarly loses some of its effectiveness.

So, basically, the optimal length ends on the point where bullet stops accelerating and starts losing gained velocity due to friction.

Could you also explain the slow/heavy vs light/fast rounds division, please? Why is this viewed as a dichotomy?


805b44 No.593045

>>593003

>So, basically as long as both rounds penetrate the target completely, as in my example, the round with bigger diameter is a better killer, taken aside bullet shape, right?

In very general terms, yes, but not necessarily. Look at the videos in >>592838 and >>592841, you can see that the 7mm magnum had a much more dramatic effect on the target than the .300 Blackout, even though both went clean through and the .300 has a slightly larger diameter (7.62 vs 7.2 mm). The amount of energy (ie velocity) the bullet does play a part in killing ability (how much of a part is up for debate), even in through-and-through shots.

>Are bottlenecked cartridges more important for more power in compact package, rather than general short barrel oriented rounds' performance?

I wouldn't say bottlenecked cartridges are intrinsically more or less suited to compacts or SMGs. 7.62 Tokarev, for instance, works best in SMGs, while .357 SIG was designed for handguns. The only thing that bottlenecked rounds have in common is high-for-caliber velocity compared to similar pistol rounds. 125 gr .357 SIG for instance clocks in at 1450 f/s, while 124 gr 9mm comes in at 1300 f/s. Bottlenecked cartridges are also more reliable because they feed out of magazines easier and have a more reliable headspace, but that's not quite relevant to ballistics. In terms of effectiveness I'd say bottlenecked cartridges are generally better than the alternative, as they help bring better velocity and penetration to pistols, and those are the two areas in which pistol cartridges lack the most.

>I really feel bad for SMGs nowadays, with them having to use rounds designed for completely different guns, while SBRs competing in losing most of their rounds' performance while beating petty handgun rounds and therefore perpetuating this madness.

That's an interesting perspective, but not quite accurate. Some "pistol" rounds such as the 5.7x28 or the 4.6x30 were designed with a PDW/SMG in mind Whether those rounds are good rounds is another story. And some rifle cartridges such as .300 Blackout were designed to be fired out of shorter barrels.

>So, basically, the optimal length ends on the point where bullet stops accelerating and starts losing gained velocity due to friction.

Generally yes, although some would argue that "optimal" length isn't the same as "maximum usable" length.

>Could you also explain the slow/heavy vs light/fast rounds division, please? Why is this viewed as a dichotomy?

You mean why not break the dichotomy and go for fast/heavy rounds? You could, but space and weight are limiting factors. For a given action size, you can only fit a cartridge that's X inches long with Y diameter case head. Assuming you're maximizing those dimensions, if you decide you want to make the bullet a bit bigger, you're going to have to make case capacity a bit smaller, and vice versa. You could just make the action bigger, but then you start running into weight concerns–your troops will have to carry that many more pounds of ammo into battle.


41a2d4 No.593053

File: b769a100e858086⋯.png (69.48 KB, 590x652, 295:326, b769a100e8580868d4a0b156e6….png)

>>592969

Dear god man, if you're going to get rid of that 107 atleast do it to fund an actual Valmet and not the jewified knockoff.


b3e03d No.593055

>>593045

>The amount of energy (ie velocity) the bullet does play a part in killing ability (how much of a part is up for debate), even in through-and-through shots.

How does this energy is applied then? A shockwave of sorts? Faster speed causes the wound to be bigger than bullet diameter+X? How does this really work, i was actually interested in this part, as i knew that bullets cause wounds and internal bleeding with bigger bullets causing bigger wounds, duh.

>I'd say bottlenecked cartridges are generally better than the alternative

They are harder to manufacture and reload though, but these things are less important than performance.

>have a more reliable headspace

What is it?

>Some "pistol" rounds such as the 5.7x28 or the 4.6x30 were designed with a PDW/SMG in mind

Well, they kinda failed and

>.300 Blackout were designed to be fired out of shorter barrels

300blk is optimized for 16" barrels, while most SMGs of today have <10" barrels.

I'm interested in 9x39mm though, as it is used in plenty of short barreled guns. I've got very little info on it though, what might be its effective barrel length?

>Generally yes, although some would argue that "optimal" length isn't the same as "maximum usable" length.

Well, it's the same as with shorter barrels, i guess, though i do not see any benefits here, does an even longer barrel improve accuracy?

>You mean why not break the dichotomy and go for fast/heavy rounds?

I mean i do not really understand why is it all built around that, why not something in between, why is it not a sliding scale of stopping power/range for the same weight/something or whatever be appropriate, the same way that wide hollow points differ from flechettes.

>Assuming you're maximizing those dimensions, if you decide you want to make the bullet a bit bigger, you're going to have to make case capacity a bit smaller, and vice versa.

What are parts of a round that such changes/demands would impact most and how do they affect performance?

Often, when when i hear or think about these issues, i picture in my mind a program that gets dimensions(preferably in sliders or percentages relative to one another) that designs the optimal round for your dimensions like range/weight/size/velocity/bullet weight/barrel length/etc. That would be cool.


805b44 No.593057

>>592897

<if triggers focus on comfort and reliability already is part of the package, what brands would you recommend for a crisp trigger?

Geissele, Hiperfire, and the other usual suspects make fine triggers, it depends on what exactly you're looking for. The SLT-1 mentioned previously is pretty crisp as well.

<do companies still make A1 period accurate bayonets? How hard to get a real one? Can you shoot with it on? How useful is a bayonet in a home defense situation?

That would be the M7 bayonet. Ontario Knife I believe makes new-production clones, but you can still find quite a few unissued surplus on the market as well. There's nothing stopping you from shooting with on one. For usability, I can think of exactly one scenario in which it's useful:

>come across dindunuffin culturally enriching your TV for his college fund so he can go to NASA

>he's within 5 feet of you, pull trigger on gun

>click

>curse yourself for buying cheap ammo and stab the fucker

In pretty much every other instance though it's dead weight. But if you think the above is plausible enough however, it can't hurt to leave the bayonet on while the rifle sits in your closet or wherever.


b3e03d No.593058

>>593045

To add, 300BLK seems more fitted for shorter rifles, such as M4 or any bullpup, while something for short range/urban warfare might require an even shorter barrel if it's not bullpup to fit best for this kind of job, with less barrel extension, smaller shooter profile and other stuff. So, while it's great round it's role is more of an all-purpose one like that of a 7.62x39mm. They are both not perfect for modern warfare but they were and are still used pretty effectively by plenty of people as a general purpose round, and not as a short barrel oriented one


805b44 No.593062

>>593055

>How does this energy is applied then? A shockwave of sorts? Faster speed causes the wound to be bigger than bullet diameter+X? How does this really work, i was actually interested in this part, as i knew that bullets cause wounds and internal bleeding with bigger bullets causing bigger wounds, duh.

This may be Fudd science, but the way I thought it worked was this: As the force of drag is a function of the square of velocity, the faster a bullet is going the faster it sheds energy. As a result, a faster bullet will lose more velocity in a through-and-through shot than a slower one, which translates as a greater amount of hydrostatic shock.

<have a more reliable headspace

>What is it?

The case shoulder rather than the case mouth. When you think about it, the difference between bullet diameter and case diameter is pretty small, so even if the dimensions are just a little bit off, or even if you have a different shaped bullet, you're going to have headspace issues. Headspacing on the shoulder is a little more forgiving to minor errors like that.

>

Often, when when i hear or think about these issues, i picture in my mind a program that gets dimensions(preferably in sliders or percentages relative to one another) that designs the optimal round for your dimensions like range/weight/size/velocity/bullet weight/barrel length/etc. That would be cool.

Well, thanks to its Barbie-doll roots the AR-15 is kind of like that. You've got 5.56, .224 Valkyrie, .25-45 Shaprs, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, .300 Blackout, .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf, and I'm sure others that I forgot.

>To add, 300BLK seems more fitted for shorter rifles, such as M4 or any bullpup, while something for short range/urban warfare might require an even shorter barrel

You're not wrong when talking about the supersonic loadings, but remember that .300 BLK was designed from the beginning to be used in suppressed SBRs. When you start looking at subsonic loads the 300 memeout comes into its own as an SBR round.


4153d9 No.593067

>>592964

Thanks. I mostly want to put on a red dot for shooting deer and goats with in 200 meters so irons will get the job done anyway.


01d47e No.593068

>>593062

>As the force of drag is a function of the square of velocity, the faster a bullet is going the faster it sheds energy.

Oh, thanks, that's good enough for me.

>Headspacing on the shoulder is a little more forgiving to minor errors like that.

I got it, but does that mean that bottlenecked cartridge is actually better for reloading due to this?

>Well, thanks to its Barbie-doll roots the AR-15 is kind of like that.

I was thinking less about the variety of rounds and more about how clear it would be to see what factor impacts what. Like, if you increase bullet weight, cartridge becomes longer to accept more powder to move it, or longer barrel narrows and lengthens the bullet as well as adjusting powder, maybe even changing caliber. That way, it would be a lot easier to see how it functions, how things influence each other as well as helping to get most important points of (even existing) ammo, the ones where it excels, all without doing complex engineering which some are non even capable of, put aside willing to do.

>.300 BLK was designed from the beginning to be used in suppressed SBRs.

Is effective barrel length different in subsonic loads of it? Yeah, suppression is good and all but wouldn't a round designed for a shorter barrel perform better in it still?


55fa0d No.593087

>>593062

You are on the right track to some extent with the velocity thing, but not fully. If you have two projectiles at the same energy but one has a lighter bullet at higher velocity to achieve the same energy, it will indeed lose energy faster than the heavier bullet at the lower velocity. This helps explain why lighter bullets for caliber in handguns create more temporary cavity and heavier bullets penetrate deeper. This plays some factor in permanent stretch cavity (hydrostatic shock) but it is not the only factor.

Part of the dynamic of permanent stretch is the fact that soft tissues are flexible and expand, move, stretch. The requirement to create hydrostatic shock therefore requires two things:

1. enough actual force to pull the material until it yields, stretches permanently, tears

2. the force is transmitted quickly enough so that the material cannot compensate through energy absorption distribution, if the force moves too slow the material will spread the force over a larger area over a longer period of time dissipating it and not being stretched to destruction or yield

In some ways lighter bullets can fail to give the best hydrostatic shock because energy can be absorbed too quickly, some momentum helps make sure the bullet is "giving energy' to the target and forcing the bullet forward or forcing the tissue or material forward and making it stretch to failure, while lighter bullets "take" more energy and have less gravita to force the tissue or material around. More velocity may not mean more damage, in many cases more velocity in a lighter bullet will yield total less damage than a heavier bullet at lower velocity. What impresses us with lighter bullets at higher velocities that create hydrostatic shock is that they create their permanent stretch immediately, while heavier bullets will tend to create larger permanent stretch but far deeper in. Lighter bullets will blow up small creatures better while a heavier bullet will not.


9729f4 No.593101

>>593068

For another example, what benefit does strong taper on 7.62x39mm give when compared to less tapered round. If it does not, why use such curved magazine when more straight ones are a lot easier to use? The program could do the calculations for you and answer the question i have to ask here or google now, for every single little thing. Or take and engineering degree and do the work of designing a round to know it.


46f8df No.593112

>>592962

Do as I did and use a standard mosin pu mount, they make a modern rail that fits onto the side mount


805b44 No.593113

>>593101

The stronger a case is tapered the easier it is to extract, which aids in reliability.


9b384e No.593172

Just bought my first SKS (a beautiful Russian, and my first gun in 7.62x39), and just wondering if Yugo surplus would be fine, assuming I'm going to clean it within 24 hours, of course.


c8ff6e No.593174

>>593172

Clean it when you get back from the range. A little water before the normal clean flushes out the salts


58dc40 No.593229

>>589041

>>589044

>>589055

>>589079

>>589092

So it kinda happened.

Picked up my 8 handguns and 2 long guns, and about a week after (3 days ago) I got a call from the local Sheriff's dept. I missed the call and decided to text the detective because I was unable to call at the time.

It was pretty uneventful. After a very short exchange asked if I had planned on selling any and when I said no he said perfect thats all he needed to hear.


bf5fe4 No.593235

File: 03191151ab14847⋯.gif (25.43 KB, 337x337, 1:1, Hitler question.gif)

>polack that posts normie memes

>Aspie vietgook

>high-quality-posting frog

>"greek" Aspie who is also a /pol/ack

Any other unique poster I'm missing?


9a865a No.593244

>>593235

That German guy who takes /k/ memes very seriously and makes every war sound like a fucking wet dream.


986121 No.593247

>>593235

Hungary.


0d532a No.593249

>>593235

Per the canuck, the Hung Aryan who really, really, really, loves Hitler.


b56b19 No.593272

>>593249

Dont forget anon who is angry at wah wah indians.


b3e03d No.593311

>>593113

Thanks, good to know.


b1519c No.593312

>>592970

>There is a sweet spot in barrel length for each round that sits between too short and too long, taking full advantage of its capabilities.

>For 5.56, as an example, a 20" barrel is what most ammunition is designed for. A 14.5" barrel, typical for the M4 rifle, loses the effectiveness of a standard service loading because the pressure behind the round cannot push the bullet fast enough to meet the intended performance of the round with the length available.

Forgive me if my question sounds rather ignorant, but is it possible to optimise a given cartridge to be shot out of a shorter barrel by a simple change of the powder load? What I mean is, given the shift towards shorter barrels for example, in ARs in both civilian and law enforcement/ millitary applications, is it not possible to simply change the powder load of a 5.56 cartridge to optimise it to be shot out of a, say, 16 inch barrel without changing the cartridge itself? And if yes, is such ammo available in civilian market?


b3e03d No.593314

>>593312

From my understanding it's less about power of the load, and more about how fast the powder burns, so with slower powders in short barrels you see a lot of flame out of the barrel. You possibly could, but 556 is very much about its speed, so without long barrel and optimized charge you'll make a lot weaker, i've got no numbers but think of 22lr, they are almost the same caliber, but the difference in power is considerable. You're better off with changing the round you're using, good thing it's easy for ARs. .300BLK is good for shorter barrels and does not need 20" barrel, and is equal to 7.62x39mm when supersonic, but is more fitted for AR platform then the latter. It's basically a shortened case of 556 with a bigger bullet and faster powder(i guess?), so basically the modifications you wanted.


b3e03d No.593318

>>593311

What is the best barrel length for the 10mm, if compactness is not taken into consideration?


ffba67 No.593330

>>593318

http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

Based on this the energy plateaus at about 12"


6cdb94 No.593332

>>593314

But that's pretty much what I meant: not under-loading it, but changing the composition of powder slightly, making it more faster-burning, so that it burns out completely and optimally in a, say, 16 in barrel instead of a 20 inch one.


959d10 No.593341

>>593332

Well, it would still reduce the round's effectiveness, if you really need to shoot 22lr from a 556 barrel, you might give it a try. It might still break something, not cycle the action properly or get stuck in the barrel.


bf5fe4 No.593346

>>591934

Hey faggot, don't be retarded. If I'm asking for a smoothbore muzzleloader and pointed out that I'm a califag, it's probably because I'm not 21+.

>>591650

I'd keep them as historic relics.

>>591649

They do, but if the law now says you have to be 21+ to buy a rifle or shotgun…. My problem is that the law doesn't seem to be specific enough.


4153d9 No.593349

>>593112

I thought about the pu mount but my rifle is Chinese surplus with the fiberglass stock and I don't know how easily it can be modified


55fa0d No.593385

>>593314

>>593312

>>593332

Reloaders know much about this topic, and many have tried using various powders in various cartridges to work up loads. If the factories didn't somehow miss some sort of better powder for shorter barrels and special purpose, some guy at his bench might have stumbled upon it. Let's start and maybe end on one of the key basics of internal ballistics even some reloaders might occasionally forget.

THE BEST POWDER CHOICE IS ALWAYS THE ONE THAT OPTIMIZES THE CARTRIDGE, ONE CANNOT OPTIMIZE THE BARREL. One thing ol pistol caliber carbine shooters can teach us is this very valuable lesson, one that many a reloader tried to prove wrong, only to be proven wrong themselves. its been known for several decades, the most powerful 357 Magnum cartridge in a 16-20 inch barrel is also the most powerful in a 4 inch combat revolver. The most powerful 44 Magnum cartridge in a rifle will also be… the one that is most powerful in a 4 inch barrel revolver. EVEN with faster powders in handguns, trying to optimize PCC for barrel length has been nothing but failure. Its more important to maximize the potential within the cartridge than to try to gain a little power through a suboptimal, slower burning powder that will theoretically burn better in the longer barrel.

Results tend to be typical when pistol carbines are loaded with slower powders in this theoretical race to optimize the 16-24 inch barrels; little to no increase in performance while accuracy degrades and massive muzzle flash from suboptimal burning conditions leading to powder not being burned or burning in the wrong places.

Comes down to it, the bills are paid, the checks are cashed, the the end of the day you ain't gonna get better than H110, N110, 2400 in magnum revolver loads, no matter what barrel length you are shooting them from. Wanna push that 45 ACP to the limit? Blue dot and a lead bullet will have potentially the greatest power from a 4 inch compact 1911 to a 16 inch Thompson. Turns out the best powder choice for cartridge is the same regardless of barrel, and chasing after powder for barrel is backwards.

When it comes to rifles we see the same thing. Slow burning rifle powders can only have their loads decreased so much (slower burning powders have been known to have massive pressure spikes when cases are left too empty, leading to minimum loads must be followed strictly) meaning not only is lowering the load not practical, it can be dangerous, and most importantly it limits what kinds of powder we can use in a case.

We change to a faster burning powder it may not have all the attributes to work correctly (case space to volume of powder necessary for effective clean burn and proper pressures), may not optimize in the cartridge itself due to its unique dynamics (even with the same capacity cartridges will have different dynamics because of shape), may not create the proper pressure to push the bullet out of the barrel. Some powders just don't work well for a given cartridge, that's it. Some may not be able to operate with all the powder dynamics (powder burn affects pressure and internal pressure and burn rate in turn affect the burning powder) to the point they aren't real considerations. Sometimes it just ain't gonna work.

The only powders that work universally are the fastest burning pistol powders. I myself love to shoot 375 H&H with 11 grains of Red Dot and a home cast bullet, and this light load works well enough to give 1 MOA performance even in this massive, massive case. The problem is they work with cast bullets well, not so much jacketed, which can be squibland. The other problem is that performance drops so much that many would consider them to be useless in some calibers for many purposes. Like others have said, what's the point of a 5.56 NATO that throws a 55 grain bullet at 1,500 fps, get a 5.7 or a 22 Magnum rimfire.

tl;dr You are better off choosing the powder to fit the cartridge, and the cartridge is best off designed to do its job. The support for pistil caliber carbines and submachine guns still exists because they are naturally good with the powders and velocities that work with short barrels and suppressors on short barrels. The 300 whisper is a good idea because it is built ground up more for this purpose. Gutting a 308 or 5.56 is trying to shoehorn the cartridge to an odd purpose.

Also, even if you could make a short barrel optimized 5.56 NATO round, it may not cycle well in many rifles that are designed to work with full power rounds. Lowering the power and pressure could lead to poor cycling or not cycling at all. Requiring a new gun or corrections to the cycling, which just means you could have easily just changed to a different cartridge to begin with.


dc30e0 No.593415

>>593349

Five-ten minutes with a dremel and a sharpie/grease pen. Just be sure to remove the actual gun before cutting.


a45709 No.593419

>>593385

Thanks. That's what I wanted to know.


805b44 No.593422

Thinking of getting an ACOCK from Trijigoy. Torn between the TA31 (4x) and the TA33 (3x), any suggestions?


0f33c6 No.593433

File: 9a001253b35f5e6⋯.jpg (53.37 KB, 640x459, 640:459, DEPJy_1UMAA4zgT.jpg)

Does anyone know the best way to get the attention of foreign arms companies?

I have emailed Matebia around four times requesting information about the new 6 Unicas and still haven't gotten a single reply.


9a0f2d No.593454

>>593433

Be a licensed importer that's willing to distribute guns stateside for them.


63ec42 No.593497

>>593415

Just remember to wear breathing and eye protection when working with fiberglass, or it'll fuck you up like nobody can.


ec28a7 No.593500

I know it sounds extremely cowadooty mall ninja LARPer, but is there such a thing as AR programs/modules that could be used for training yourself?


60c5f1 No.593504

>>593312

no because you'e still shooting a 55-62 grain bullet, so if you reduce the velocity, you're just left with a very small bullet that can't go fast and therefore is pretty much worthless

if you reduce velocity but still want effectiveness, you have to make the bullet bigger

velocity + bullet weight = energy are like trade-offs in an equilibrium. If you remove one, you have to increase another to maintain the same level of energy.


9c3fae No.593505

File: 26f272231fd2990⋯.jpg (1.15 MB, 2160x2160, 1:1, 20180714_084453_stripped.jpg)

>>593497

I'd recommend gloves too, picture related. The black cracks are where I have fiberglass embedded into my skin


7820e1 No.593509

I do not like the Mossberg 88s pump action. It does not feel smooth on either side of the movement. What is a good pump action in terms of the most smooth pump?

Also, what should I think about getting next to advance my kit? I'm getting my conceal soon and I am looking for an everyday carry; but, I cant decide between using the money I'm setting aside for my everyday carry or getting my first rifle.


9c3fae No.593510

>>593509

Honestly it sounds like you haven't broken it in, my 1897 is smooth as melted butter.

For your other question, are you in a bad enough place that warrents a CC immediately, if not go with the rifle first


322a5d No.593512

>>593505

>>593505

>>593505

Intriguing. I have never seen Japanese man's finger from such a close angle before. Can you post the other side of it?


7820e1 No.593514

File: f262730f2735327⋯.jpg (84.12 KB, 1155x1155, 1:1, 78c39712c9da6340ce4ef9b4c9….jpg)

>>593510

Yeah I haven't really gotten much time to shoot it. I go and shoot pistols that are at the range cause I don't see myself using a shotgun outside of shooting down the narrow hallways of my house. Needless to say, she's been neglected.

I am a white grain of sand in a sea of brown where I am living right now. Sounds like I need to think about the conceal. I've been shooting pic related at the range a lot recently and its fun but I don't think it being fun is the best thing for deciding what to get for a everyday carry.


b2587d No.593522

>>593514

>I don't think it being fun is the best thing

No that is the best thing. A fun gun in a suitable caliber, which 357 is very suitable will make you want to shoot more. Shoot more means more practice, more practice means being effective with your gun. An old crusty faggot who only ever shoots wheel guns since he turned 21 will always out shoot a new fag who just got a wonder nine with 32 round mags last month. The same also applies in reverse with a glock fanboy since birth will out shoot somone who just got a new gun using a radically different manual of arms than what he's used to.


2996c3 No.593575

In the film 'We Were Soldiers' there is a scene where an American soldier is detected by the enemy from the sound of him manipulating the selector switch on his M16. Are there any known cases of such things happening?


0d532a No.593576

>>593575

It's purely fuddlore, as is that meme about the "ping!" a Garand makes when ejecting a clip causing deaths in WWII.


c699ba No.593589

>>593575

The selector's pretty quiet even when the gun is bone dry.


9c3fae No.593591

>>593512

I'm a white dude in japan. I'll give you another finger instead.

>>593514

Go for the CC then. And for the love of the kube practice, then do it some more


0f33c6 No.593594

File: aecbefa3f852249⋯.png (566.9 KB, 900x1025, 36:41, Welcome to suffering.png)

>>593454

So I will not get a single question answered until they bother to produce/import them? I know there was an anon here that got a few replies made the first thread on it.


8ab0f8 No.593599

What is the right dog breed for the deaf person?


55fa0d No.593605

>>593509

Ithica or Browning pumps are probably the smoothest because they eject out the bottom instead of the side, leading to a completely symmetrical pump system. The ol Moss 500 and Remington 870 are gooduns too, sometimes you get a cheaper gun when you buy the cheaper model.

>>593599

One that barks really loudly.

>>593422

I like my new 4x ACOG, bigger problem is I should have gotten Trijicons' delayer roller H&K mount because it sits way to high on the old STANAG mount. Sometimes the 4 power can be a little bit disorienting when moving around with both eyes open, some days I think less power might be better overall, but longer range shooting that 4x is a Godsend. Good low light vision, everything else. I'd say its worth it, but which power you want, well, that's a hell of a thing. Whatcha using it for?


0d532a No.593618

>>593605

>Whatcha using it for?

20" barrel do-all AR, on the lighter side. Leaning more towards the 4x right now, main reason I was considering the 3x was better eye relief and to a lesser extent weight. But looking at pics, since the FOV of the 4x is so much bigger than the 3x, there's no practical difference in eye relief, if what I'm saying makes sense. I figure if I really want it usable at close ranges I'll mount an RMR at 45 degrees or something like that.


0d532a No.593643

>>593618

Oh yeah, and I can only get the ACSS reticule on the 4x so there's another point in its favor.


60c5f1 No.593656

>>593514

get at least a 3 inch barrel for .357


8ab0f8 No.593907

How do you weed the traitors out in your tribal group during the SHTF?


6b4b93 No.593919

File: 8e5cd85bb791df7⋯.png (55.12 KB, 299x315, 299:315, adolfshasanquestions.png)

>>593907

Banish them or kill them. Why do you even need to ask? A tribal group isn't some vast bureaucracy, traitors are easy to spot and easy to deal with.


63ec42 No.593931

5.45x39mm vs 7.62x39mm, what would /k/ choose? Why?


e4010e No.593934

>>593931

5.45x39 for me, lighter weight and flatter shooting. 7n6 also has that "spoontip" bullet design that causes projectiles to yaw in the target rather than fragment.


55fa0d No.593943

>>593931

Depends, what is the ammunition to be used and its purpose? If soft points are allowed, I'd go with the 7.62x39, if we are misusing the calibers for medium game hunting where they might work but are poor choices, 7.62. Then when you think about it, you get commonality of ammunition (7.62 is more universal, easier to find on store shelves, used more, stockpiled more) meaning you are more likely to have extra supplies of it or availability.

Choosing 5.45 for other reasons against the 7.62 short is a lot easier a case to make, intermediate against intermediate, than arguing 5.56 over 7.62 NATO because of such vast differences in performance. Old Soviet 7.62x39 just ain't go much balls to it, slow with lighter bullets, not always a big energy advantage over its lighter counterpart. Its close enough to each other that one could say that effective ranges are effectively same, so its lighter weight vs bigger bullet.

I would edge towards 7.62x39 myself, for the reasons listed, but then again arming a whole army with Hauge convention bullets for millions of soldiers is a big issue. I think Kalishnakov himself favored the 7.62 and said that the switch to 5.45 was "following the west", monkey see monkey doo in his own personal opinion. Advantages and disadvantages.


01d47e No.593968

>>593943

Is 7.62 a better choice if i go with a shorter barrel?

Both AKS and AK-74 go with 16' barrel, though AK74 has a shortened counterpart. Shouldn't 5.45 be like 5.56 in terms of barrel length, i.e have a disadvantage when 2 AKs with 16' barrels are compared?


60c5f1 No.593972

>>593968

300 Blackout (7.62 caliber) is better than 5.56 in short barrels, yes.

>Shouldn't 5.45 be like 5.56 in terms of barrel length, i.e have a disadvantage when 2 AKs with 16' barrels are compared?

yes, correct


60c5f1 No.593974

>>593972

however, that's not to knock on 5.56. In a 20" barrel, 5.56 is extremely deadly. 18" is still effective enough as well and you save a decent amount of weight. 16" is where we start running into problems with various loads.


60c5f1 No.593978

>>593943

>I think Kalishnakov himself favored the 7.62 and said that the switch to 5.45 was "following the west", monkey see monkey doo in his own personal opinion.

and he was correct, 5.45 was purely a product of Cold War pissing tests between the two powers, Russia feeling like it had to "keep up" with the US.

>>593931

TBH, the main reason I invested in 5.56 over 300 blackout is because it's the most available and it is cheaper by about 10-15 cents per round. Otherwise, I prefer the 7.62 intermediate rounds.

I don't go with 7.62x39 because I refuse to shoot steel ammo, that shit wreaks havoc on your gun, and DI guns in my experience have trouble cycling the shit. AK's don't have trouble with the steel crap because that giant piston has so much momentum behind it.


b3e03d No.593994

>>593978

What are exact performance differences between these two? Does 7.62 have more energy from a standard barrel? Is this energy a good tradeoff for the additional weight, can it be substantially optimized without requiring a longer barrel? Did US use something similar before going for 556?


9729f4 No.594002

What are pros of a thumbhole stock? Can it fix balance, is it more durable? How does it handles compared to a usual stock?


4ad459 No.594008

>>594002

They were a loophole to get around the 94 salt raifu ban. They can be aesthetic as fuck


b3e03d No.594013

Why are berdan primers still in use?


be3d06 No.594018

I've been shooting field & stream steal case .223 out of my AR. I've heard some AK guys talking about corrosive ammo, which got me concerned. Am I fucking up, by not shooting brass?


4ad459 No.594021

>>594018

Unless its ancient surplus your fine. Corrosive stuff just means the primer leaves behind a salt that encourages rust. The stuff your shooting is made with non corrosive primers


f07210 No.594022

What's a good red dot or dot/magnifier combo for a 7.62 NATO carbine? I have a Vortex 4-16x50 on it now, and it's a great combo, but it's almost too much scope for what I need. I have a .300WM coming, and plan on using that Vortex on it, but I want something else for my .308.

Any recommendations?


b2587d No.594050

>>594018

>field and stream ammo

Sounds like you've been shopping at DIIIIIICKS. Stop that they're both faggots and expensive as fuck even compared to some jew ass gun shops. As far as the ammo is concerned and going by memory, field and stream ammo is pretty damn new and judging by the fact it's steel case leads me to believe it's just rebranded russian ammo. Similar to century's red army standard crap it's just ammo made most likely by baurnaul, tula, or wolf. It's the same shit as the stuff you DON'T find on the shelves of walmart because it's snatched up too fast, of course the only reason you find F&S ammo is because no one wants to pay ¢30-40 for steel ammo when they can find it for ¢25.

TLDR AMMO IS FINE NOT CORROSIVE SHOOT IT UP AND NEVER BUY OVERPRICED FUDD MAGAZINE I USED TO LIKE BRANDED AMMO AGAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY IT MUCH CHEAPER ELSEWHERE


c38a23 No.594056

>>594013

Cheaper to manufacture and longer shelf life, I believe.

>>594022

Why are you looking for a red dot on a 7.62, if I may ask? Given the potential range on your gun, you're probably better served with a high quality 1-6x scope with an illuminated reticle. Extends your effective range, and if you're doing close stuff, flip the optic to 1x and keep both eyes open.


60c5f1 No.594066

>>593994

>Does 7.62 have more energy from a standard barrel? Is this energy a good tradeoff for the additional weight, can it be substantially optimized without requiring a longer barrel? Did US use something similar before going for 556?

more energy, yes, but also more penetration without sacrificing fragmentation (m855).

before 5.56, US used 7.62x51, .308, way bigger round.

I'd say the weight difference in 125 grain 300 blackout and the m855 I use in 5.56 is meaningless for me considering that I use 20" barrels for 5.56. There is indeed a big difference in weight between a 20" and 16" barrel.


60c5f1 No.594068

>>593994

you may notice a slightly greater recoil with 125 grain 300 blackout compared to 5.56, but a decisively greater recoil with 147 grain 300 blackout. I think that and cost per round are the main negatives. There are some 147 grain 300 blackout out there in the 30 cent per round range, ammoseek.com, not sure if that is re-loaded or not.


f3eab3 No.594108

im going to a gun show soon to get my first handgun. i currently own a shotgun and like it, but i want a handgun to actually go to ranges with. (i go skeet shooting with my shotgun, but the nearest place is 40 minutes away)

i was wondering what would you guys suggest for <= $350 USD. so far i saw that the canik 55 was good and the s&w m&p as well. im not sure what all will be there as the last time i went. are there certain ones i should look out for? or to avoid? thanks


55fa0d No.594114

>>594108

S&W M&P is a great choice, if you mean the original M&P, the Model 10. You can get a surplus police revolver for your price range, and you will have a good learning handgun to start off with. You can learn basic handgun marksmanship and bullseye with it, even start combat training with it when you get that far. Just my advice.


60d380 No.594115

File: a53f4532dbaeb98⋯.jpg (921.61 KB, 1828x2112, 457:528, drooping_bayonet.jpg)

I have the correct type of bayonet and threaded retaining pin for the bayonet on my SKS, but for some reason it still droops about a quarter of an inch when it's not being supported.

Any speculation as to what the issue here is? Is it the spring that's too weak?


03cdda No.594127

>>594115

Wrong style of bayonet. The drooping issue comes from manufacturer differences or its upside down.


60d380 No.594128

>>594127

I'll try turning it the opposite way it's currently oriented, but I thought I had the right style of bayonet. This particular rifle is meant for spike bayonets.


03cdda No.594129

>>594128

Commercial sks's and legit type 56's had slightly different manufacture like early model and later model Russians ones did, and the real bitch is they arent dated and the only way you'll find out is through trial and error.


60d380 No.594130

File: cc8a3d28a705653⋯.jpg (45.83 KB, 540x798, 90:133, notch.jpg)

>>594127

>>594128

Okay, I tried that. It's still drooping as bad as it was before. This type of notch indicates it takes a spike bayonet, correct? iirc blade bayonets have a more pronounced "V" shaped notch.


60d380 No.594131

>>594129

Ah, I see. I'll just keep looking for cheap bayonets until I find one that fits properly I guess. Only Chinese and Albanian SKS's have spike bayonets right? I'm new to these rifles.


03cdda No.594132

>>594131

>>594130

48-50 Russian guns have spike bayonets. Early type 56s which are just russian leftovers had blade bayonets and yeah that slot is for a blade. All albo guns had the spike.


03cdda No.594133

>>594132

Err spike I mean. Finding bayonets to fit these guns can be a real bitch


03cdda No.594134

>>594133

Yooper john might be of gerat use to you. The dude is walking finnish autism solely on the sks rifle


0a0200 No.594159

File: 9ae565a1b9112d9⋯.jpg (1.97 MB, 3264x2448, 4:3, gun.jpg)

gun law question

could you transport a "featureless" rifle in banned states if it stays within your vehicle's trunk?


03cdda No.594161

>>594159

Peaceable journey laws. Look em up and keep a copy on hand.


094b7f No.594172

File: 79dba3fd4db9a6f⋯.jpg (29.98 KB, 950x371, 950:371, prodotti_immagini_immagine….jpg)

Having looked at my bank account and my gun cabinet, I've decided to both fill my 'revolver' slot and my 'fun' slot with a Chiappa Rhino, almost certainly with the 4" barrel, .357/38sp version. Is there anything about the Rhino I should know that might not be discussed by most reviews? I am aware that the 6 o'clock position does not eliminate recoil, but rather reduces the muzzle flip.


248424 No.594175

>>594172

> Is there anything about the Rhino I should know that might not be discussed by most reviews?

If the cylinder bursts, it's right next to your trigger finger. If you can live with that risk, well…


d5953b No.594181

>>594175

The chances of a kaboom, if you arent handloading or using someone elses handloads from stress are so exceedingly slim that its like worrying youre going to get hit in the face with a meteor, both the plane and the rock at the same time.


e2a763 No.594182

File: f15b9529bda4947⋯.jpg (341.4 KB, 1500x1257, 500:419, 1282622376506.jpg)

I'm looking for a website or book (pdf/piratable) full of camo schemes. I'm a model kit builder and I'm looking to paint up some robots (/m/) in camo schemes and I wanted to do some research. Figured you guys would be the ones to know the best resources for this sort of thing.

Any sort of camo is good. Anything whacky like Dazzle camo would be extra appreciated. I always had a soft spot for it.


d5953b No.594184

>>594182

camopedia has a good list of various patterns


e2a763 No.594186

>>594184

Brilliant.

Thank you.


3021fa No.594308

File: 6eec0bf5cdab029⋯.gif (1.71 MB, 300x180, 5:3, panther firing.gif)

File: 32d33ead3a18588⋯.jpg (28.2 KB, 400x250, 8:5, ss stg-44.jpg)

Where's the best place to download World War 2 footage without watermarks? It's quite hard to find undoctored film without some shitty website/company slapping their logo on the side of it.

I'd like to get a load of combat footage from the German side of WW2 to use in some OC I'm making.

If anyone has anything then please help me! Thanks.


55fa0d No.594352

I'll ask a question for a change, I'm not the biggest AR fan in the world, don't keep up with it like most people do with new and old manufacturers, who makes best what, and ended up buying a Windham M-16 style government for my AR militia SHTF universal parts/magazines weapon, and I chose this over the Colt. Did I make a mistake?

After doing some research I found a lot of customers moaning that Colt isn't what it used to be (surprise surprise) others who claim it still is the best A4 gubmit standard and M4 standard, and my gun dealer who does my paperwork said Windham was a great choice and Colt was kinda junk now, and he's former military and Border Patrol who builds AR's for people. Reading some more pro Colt stuff, and liking original manufacturer in any case (nothing like a Colt AR for Colt's sake) I'm interested to see what the gallery's take on this issue is.


c699ba No.594360

>>594352

Windham is fairly reliable - they were Bushmaster before Remington got bought out and went to shit.

I bought a barrel from them but I haven't had time to judge it for accuracy at all.

Colt has been accused of outsourcing production for almost everything they sell after their "economy" AR-15s shared a rollmark with another country, as well as deals made to completely outsource their production of the reproduction M16A1 and Colt 1903 to make them "affordable".

They aren't poor quality, but you're paying high-tier prices for a mid-tier gun based solely on the name.


60c5f1 No.594376

>>594352

Windham is better than Colt.

who makes the best what? IDK, which part do you mean?


c38a23 No.594386

>>594352

Wyndham's pretty good, especially if you want a pre-built. If muh pony rollmark is that important just get a Colt lower.


55fa0d No.594396

>>594376

I'm just talking in general. All of my guns are GI stock anyhow, not looking for parts, but there is so many manufacturers of this and that (prolly some rebrands in the mix) and total built rifles, lowers and uppers, its hard to keep track of what's what. There seems to be so many builders the market is busy to the mildly interested buyer like myself. But then again, if you don't even ask the most simple of questions, you won't get any genearl vague answers either.

I always heard old Bushmaster was good stuff, so that's why I finally decided Windham. That and saving a few bucks for a rifle I heard was better anyway. I guess I made my purchase and asking know is just sorta speculation. Seems the consensus is pretty consistent on my choice, too.

But while I'm rambling on the subject, does anybody else make a high grade standard GI M-16 AR? Out of curiosity at this point. By the way my Windham is fucking fantastic.


e8a6a4 No.594427

A friend and I have been discussing WWII naval aviation recently, and stumbled upon an idea we both think has some merit to it. He is largely in favor of air-superiority carrier forces meant to protect the battle fleet before forcing a surface engagement, an idea I'm not entirely sold on. However, I did raise the idea of equipping said fighters with racks of incendiary rockets for offensive and scouting missions. Essentially, it'd be a FFAR or similar rocket, but with the warhead containing a small amount of explosives surrounded by thermite or similar substance. Enemy ships would have their superstructure targeted in the hopes of setting fire to it. The advantages I see from the use of this would be

>largely unrestricted engagement angles, unlike torpedo and dive bombers

>high hit probability, ensuring any attacker inflicts some level of damage

>ability to engage most targets, as you aren't attempting to penetrate an armored belt

>severe disruption of AAA emplacements

>possibility of fires raging out of control, forcing ship to be abandoned/scuttled


561d78 No.594433

>>594427

Give it some semblance of AP and it would have shrecked IJN shipa




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