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 No.260

http://heimskringla.no/wiki/Main_Page contains a lot of the source texts (the Eddas in particular) in the original Old Norse, and often in the Scandinavian translations as well. There are also scholary texts, and sagas.

The Internet Archive is another great source for free texts on the topics: https://archive.org/

There is a very interesting YouTube series by Maria Kvilhaug that deals with the symbolism of the poems and myths in great detail, and I highly recommend giving her videos a watch. In particular she stresses the importance of translating the names of characters and places – left in their Old Norse (or Anglicised) form they mean nothing to a modern, non-Old Norse speaking reader. The translation of the names are extremely important if we want to understand what the poems and the myths are really telling us.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=evE6aLg-_Q8&index=1&list=PLxDBGYdDmm2n7-nYh49d9qMJRZB8Z1qSa

One thing that most people don’t know about Norse mythology is that the Norsemen believed in a form of reincarnation/rebirth. It was custom that the oldest son would be given his paternal grandfather’s name, the second oldest son the name of his maternal grandfather, and similarly with the daughters; the oldest daughter would be named after her paternal grandmother, and the second oldest after her maternal grandmother. This would allow the spirit of the ancestors live on through their bloodline. In the sagas there are mentions of characters born with the same marks upon their body as their ancestors were inflicted with. In the Helgi poems in the Elder Edda, it is said that the two main characters are reborn and fall in love again and again – at least three times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebirth_in_North_Germanic_religion

I think this form of rebirth through one’s descendants sounds like it would help explain the sensation of déjà vu; ‘blood-memories’ passed down from the ancestors in our genes, kept alive and passed down from generation to generation, so that a distant descendant might feel a familiarity towards someone or some place he or she hasn’t known or been to before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory_%28psychology%29

The way the different realms are separated are very similar to how the Norsemen viewed the world around them: the destructive jǫtnar (possibly translates into ‘the devourers’, but known as the stereotypical bad guy frost giants in popular culture) represent the wild forces of nature, and they inhabit he untamed and the potentially dangerous and lethal wilderness that surrounds us. They are opposing forces to the humans and the deities, who represent order, civilization and laws, but not ‘evil’, just as storms and other natural forces and disasters aren’t evil. In the second realm humans live, this realm represents the farms and the fields where humans have settled and worked, cut down trees, built homes and plowed the fields to grows grops and keep lifestock. Farms and fields would be fenced in, similar to the way the worlds in the Norse cosmology are – wilderness surrounds us, then, fenced in, we have the areas where humans live, and inside this, we have the final realm, places of worship and the thing assembly (gathering place to settle disputes and talk legal matters).

I’ll do my best to answer any questions, help with translations, etc. if there is any interest in anything Norse.

 No.270

>>260

>There is a very interesting YouTube series by Maria Kvilhaug

Just clicked on this. Love that accent.


 No.271

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>>270

Just listened to the first four. So interesting. As soon as she began I started to think of the parallels with Osiris and Hindu creation by sound. I know next to nothing about Norse mythology so this is fantastic to learn about. Thanks.


 No.272

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>>270

wew

If I’m honest my own accent is probably just as noticeable as hers, and very similar, since we’re from the same country. I can usually tell if it is a fellow countryman of mine, or a Swede or a Dane or an Icelander or a Finn when they speak English.

>>271

I think she mentions the connection to the ancient Vedas of India, and their similarities to Norse mythology in her videos, or maybe it was in her book, ‘Seed of Yggdrasill’, which I got for my birthday a few years ago – a massive, 700 pages or so tome where she goes into even further depth than her YouTube series. I think her book is very hard to come by these days, and last I checked there were some resellers on Amazon charging a small fortune for it.

She’s also been interviewed by Red Ice TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za4-1em8TXo

And a YT channel called Wisdom From North, where she talks about the meaning behind the myths: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBOrU6r4IVQ – this is the English version, they’ve also published the interview in Norwegian for the Scandinavians.

She’s made some interesting blogposts as well, in particular one on seiðr magic.

A Womb by Magic – Transcending Gender, Transcending Realities | Freyia Völundarhúsins: http://archive.is/ZYnua

Compare this to Varg’s writings/ramblings, where he talks about extraterrestrials and Atlantis, where humans were raised… I wish I was joking, but he’s even written a lengthy essay on Norse paganism, where he makes these bold claims in all seriousness.

Varg Vikernes "Germansk Mytologi Og Verdensanskuelse": http://archive.li/u2yZU

It is written in Norwegian (I doubt he’ll make an English translation available on his site, lest people find out what a crackpot he is), but I have made a quick translation of the most damning parts myself:

<PART III. CONCLUSION

<Conclusion

<A. All life on this planet is created artificially by extraterrestrial beings, the [Norse] gods.

<B. The creation of humans has happened through evolution and genetic manipulation over several millions of years, from the first shadows in Ultima Thule, which evolved into mist-shapes, and later androgynous giants (titans/frost-giants) on Lemuria, to the giants of Atlantis (Cyclops/mountain-giants), and further still to the Aryan race. The dark-skinned human races descend from Trell and remnants of the third and fourth race that mixed with animals, which later have improved by breeding with members of Karl’s and Jarl’s descendants. White humans descend from Karl and Jarl.

<…

<D. Homo sapiens was created by the [Norse] gods, who through a process of eugenics, genetic engineering, and physical and spiritual nurturing made the species in their own image. This was first made possible on Atlantis about 3.000.000 years ago, after [the extraterrestrial beings/Norse gods] had first managed to create liveable climate and the genetic diversity that is required for Earth to sustain the independent development of the [human] race. Humanity is thus created and artificially made, and the first 200.000 years of Jarl’s kind was spent in training-camps in Atlantis. Several races are degenerate remnants of humanity, a mixture of humans and animals and genetic remnants of earlier chains in evolution. The White race as it exits today is thus around 280.000 years old.

<…

<G. The extraterrestrial beings thought Jarl’s descendants in what we would describe as natural science today.

<…

<© & ® Varg Vikernes


 No.275

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>>272

>I think she mentions the connection to the ancient Vedas of India, and their similarities to Norse mythology in her videos

Yes in the second or third video she brings up Hindu and Egyptian mythology and similarities found.

lol she's angry in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xivovaVyVdI

>tfw when half my ancestors are hebridean

>tfw Viking rape baby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse%E2%80%93Gaels

<The Norse–Gaels often called themselves Ostmen or Austmen, meaning East-men, a name preserved in a corrupted form in the Dublin area known as Oxmantown which comes from Austmanna-tún (homestead of the Eastmen). In contrast, they called Gaels Vestmenn (West-men) (see Vestmannaeyjar and Vestmanna).

>makesmethink.jpeg

>And a YT channel called Wisdom From North, where she talks about the meaning behind the myths

I'm a little confused about the lady with horn. Maria describes her as representative of death? But then also as the maiden with the mead horn that represents the soul? Were these two different ladies with horns or the same?

>A Womb by Magic – Transcending Gender, Transcending Realities | Freyia Völundarhúsins: http://archive.is/ZYnua

Interesting, will give this a read tonight.

>Compare this to Varg’s writings/ramblings,

Kek. He struck me as a psuedo-intellectual from the start so I always hide his threads whenever they pop up so don't keep up with what he has to say. Looks like that was a wise move. Didn't he murder someone in his youth or something?


 No.284

>>272

>A Womb by Magic – Transcending Gender, Transcending Realities | Freyia Völundarhúsins: http://archive.is/ZYnua

<flannfluga (“ she who flees the penis”)

Top kek


 No.288

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>>275

I know here is an ancient thunder/weathergod named Teshub from Hurrian mythology that shares some similarities with the Norse god Þórr (Thor) as well, this god is depicted with a beard and wielding a thunderbolt and a double-bladed axe or mace, and he had two steeds who drew his chariot. His Wikipedia article also mentions a myth where he is fighting a sea serpent. Sounds like there is some connection between the two IMHO, maybe a shared origin.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teshub

I think Loki translates as ‘flashing/blinking light’, and is a symbol of lightning, while Þórr symbolises thunder, and in some myths he is chasing Loki across the sky – lightning flashes across the sky and not long after comes the deep rumbling of thunder. That is not to say that Loki is only meant to symbolise lightning, but all kinds of light, such as flickering flames.

>lol she's angry in this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xivovaVyVdI

lel

I have that video archived – same with her vids on the hidden meaning series. It’s lovely to see her get so fired up and passionate when she talks about this. She is spot on about the show too, it doesn’t appear any more historically accurate than ‘Xena: Warrior Princess’. I barley made it thru the first episode myself. I think the massacre of Verden, where Charlemagne ordered the death of about 4500 pagans, and the subsequent destruction of the Irminsul, and the effect it had on the Germanic was one of the main reasons why the Norse pagans fought back and raided religious institutions. The Danes even built a massive fortification to keep the Christians at bay – the Danevirke. Just like we have a foreign middle-eastern religion trying to take over the current one in Europe today… History has a way of repeating itself it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

>tfw when half my ancestors are hebridean

>tfw Viking rape baby

Reparations time? I’m sure you could get some shekels from the Swedish government for the crimes of the Norsemen.

>makesmethink.jpeg

<The term austmaðr in the Íslendingasögur refers to a Norwegian within the Icelandic milieu almost without fail, and the austmaðr is an endemic feature of the Íslendingasögur.

https://www.academia.edu/2368889/Disposable_Norwegians

http://www.medievalists.net/2013/02/strangers-in-icelandic-society-1100-1400/

That’s interesting. I didn’t know the ‘colonists’ referred to themselves at eastmen as well, though since there were no countries back then, and basically all the people who settled there came from what would be Norway it isn’t far-fetched that they would use the same terms. Just last year I noticed an obituary in the newspaper for a man from Iceland who had settled and died here and he had taken the surname Vestmann (‘Westman’).

>I'm a little confused about the lady with horn.

In Niels Christian Ursin Brøgger’s ‘Nordens demring: Nordiske myter og sagn’ (‘Dawn of the North: Nordic myths and sagas’), he explains that several gods and goddesses blend into one another, and their function or role is not set in stone. He also says that one god or goddess may have had several functions in one area, but fewer in others. ‘We must here be clear that it is not the name of the deity that is of importance, but their role, and the leading ideas put forth.’ (my own quick translation). Freyja simply means ‘the lady’, but her roles in the pagan pantheon is manifold – she is a goddesses of fertility (the female counterpart two Frey – and there are some incestuous goings on between them), but she also cares for the dead – she gets to pick half of the men who fall in battle, while Óðinn (Odin) take the other half. I think her realm translates as ‘people’s field’, maybe a reference to a burial site, a green field where the dead rest. I’ll have to see the video again to make sure though.

Speaking of horns… there is a figure found in Denmark that depicts Óðinn, seemingly with two horns: http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/44503

The blog, however, points out that the horns are actually birds – likely the two ravens Huginn & Muninn (‘thought’ & ‘memory’). There is an engraving of a berserker warrior clad with wolfskin being guided by a man with similar ‘horns’ (birds) and a spear – in all likelihood Óðinn, who is closely connected to the berserker warriors.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bronspl%C3%A5t_pressbleck_%C3%B6land_vendeltid.jpg

Horned helmets may have been used as ceremonial dress, at least pre-Viking age.

>Didn't he murder someone in his youth or something?

Indeed he did. One of his band members I think. I think he is really passionate about what he talks about, but he is really an amateur; he doesn’t understand Old Norse language, so for him to act like he knows what the myths mean and the correct translations makes him comes off as a pretentious buffoon. Not to mention he views everything though his warped mindset and tries to fit the myths to this.


 No.289

>>284

Check out number 10 of the runic inscriptions here (the pic only shows the last part of the sentence btw.): http://oldnorse.euro-talk.net/t7-maeshowe-in-the-orkneyjar

Þorný (Thorny) is a female name, and ‘sarð’ means to have (gay) sex. The word is used to refer to sex between two of the same sex, so apparently some of the vikings that visited the place had women with them, and two of them had sex with each other, and some guy named Helgi saw it and decided to carve what he had witnessed on the wall. There is also an inscription where one of the rune-carvers refers to himself as a viking, which I found quite interesting.


 No.299

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>>288

>I know here is an ancient thunder/weathergod named Teshub from Hurrian mythology

I didn't even know of these people. Looking at the wiki link now. It's amazing the overlap and assimilation between all these cultures isn't it. Tracing their changes and movements over land and throughout time.

>I think Loki translates as ‘flashing/blinking light’, and is a symbol of lightning, while Þórr symbolises thunder, and in some myths he is chasing Loki across the sky – lightning flashes across the sky and not long after comes the deep rumbling of thunder.

Very cool.

>She is spot on about the show too, it doesn’t appear any more historically accurate than ‘Xena: Warrior Princess’

Yes it's practically pointless to watch such things for information for many reasons that I'm sure you understand. I try to find old writings/translations when looking at history for this reason.

>Just like we have a foreign middle-eastern religion trying to take over the current one in Europe today… History has a way of repeating itself it seems.

I'm an atheist but God help Europe, I don't know how they're going to deal with this.

>Reparations time?

Lol, Gael and Norse-Gael never get nuffink.

>That’s interesting. I didn’t know the ‘colonists’ referred to themselves at eastmen as well

Does this make us kinsmen?

>Not to mention he views everything though his warped mindset and tries to fit the myths to this.

Yes this is far too common everywhere.

>Freyja simply means ‘the lady’, but her roles in the pagan pantheon is manifold

Knowing so little of Norse myth I wonder if Freya could be identified with Venus/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Inanna/(Erishkigal)/Lakshmi? Or due to her position perhaps a different level. Or just not at all. She seems to share some of the traits of those just named.

>The word is used to refer to sex between two of the same sex, so apparently some of the vikings that visited the place had women with them, and two of them had sex with each other, and some guy named Helgi saw it and decided to carve what he had witnessed on the wall.

<Þorny fucked. Helgi carved.

That's hilarious. Ancient bathroom door graffiti.

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 No.300

File: f259fb9c3879914⋯.png (1.24 MB, 1156x1385, 1156:1385, Adad.png)

>>288

>I know here is an ancient thunder/weathergod named Teshub from Hurrian mythology that shares some similarities with the Norse god Þórr (Thor) as well, this god is depicted with a beard and wielding a thunderbolt and a double-bladed axe or mace, and he had two steeds who drew his chariot.

There is also this guy Hadad/Adad in Akkadian mythology with similar features. And equated with Teshub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadad

<From the Levant, Hadad was introduced to Mesopotamia by the Amorites, where he became known as the Akkadian (Assyrian-Babylonian) god Adad.[3][4][5][6] Adad and Iškur are usually written with the logogram 𒀭𒅎 dIM[7]—the same symbol used for the Hurrian god Teshub.[8]

<In Akkadian, Adad is also known as Ramman ("Thunderer")

Certainly seems like a connection.


 No.302

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>>299

>Venus/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Inanna/(Erishkigal)/Lakshmi?

well well well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0au%C5%A1ka

<Shaushka is a goddess of fertility, war and healing. She is depicted in human form with wings, standing with a lion and accompanied by two attendants. She was considered equivalent to the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar and is sometimes identified using Ishtar's name in Hittite cuneiform

< According to Hittite texts about Shaushka of Lawazantiya: she is clothed like a man and like a woman, and has male attributes such as an axe and weapons. Sometimes this has been taken as a sign of her bisexual or androgynous character.


 No.303

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>>299

>>300

>>302

There is a connection between the poem Skírnismál (‘story of Skírnir’ – whose name means ‘the shining one’), where the god Freyr falls in love with a female jǫtunn and sends his man-servant to set up a date between them, and the myth in Greek mythology, where Hades falls in love with Persephone, and kidnaps her, taking her with him to the underworld.

>I try to find old writings/translations when looking at history for this reason.

Hear, hear! Translations of the poems, prose myths and the sagas varies greatly, so being able to check with the original text and comparing the translations is a must.

>I'm an atheist but God help Europe, I don't know how they're going to deal with this.

Same here. We should either take back Greenland or even go back to Vínland to put some distance between ourselves and the invaders. Unless something drastic happens, Europe is fucked.

>Does this make us kinsmen?

I’d say so. Many Norsemen from Norway settled on the Western Isles permanently, and married the natives already living there. You guys have your own saga too: Orkneyinga saga. The Icelanders also have a substantial part of Irish/Celtic, since they brought with them slaves and prisoners from the British isles and ended up mixing with them.

As you can see from this map, you can see where the Norsemen from Norway settled and brought their language (Old West Norse) with them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_norse,_ca_900.PNG

Would go on raid with

>I wonder if Freya could be identified with Venus/Aphrodite/Ishtar/Inanna/(Erishkigal)/Lakshmi?

That certainly seems possible. I think she may share similarities with Friggja and Hel, and possibly Síf as well. It is interesting that there were two groups of deities, the Vanir and the Æsir, and they fought a long war against each other before making peace.

As you can see on this map it seems like there were some differences in where these different groups were worshipped – I live in the pruple region where they appear to have coexisted: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norse_paganism_map.png

The female jǫtunn Skaði (‘Damage’), the goddess of skiing and hunting with bow and arrow, and connected to the winter and the mountains, must also have been much more important in the past – supposedly she gave the name to Scandinavia.


 No.307

>>303

>There is a connection between the poem Skírnismál (‘story of Skírnir’ – whose name means ‘the shining one’)

That's interesting. I was looking at the celtic sun god and goddesses last night and their names were also potentially to do with shining/brightness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belenus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belisama

>Unless something drastic happens, Europe is fucked

As it stands now, it really does look like a last flicker of hope lies in the east. I really am taken aback at how fast Europe is being lost.

>Would go on raid with

That's makes two of us.

>The female jǫtunn Skaði (‘Damage’), the goddess of skiing and hunting with bow and arrow,

Ah yes, I remember coming across her in one of your links. Something about the two forms of love? Found it

<Both Skadi and Loki are more associated with the magical arts and the “other side”, just as Odin and Freya are. Skadi belongs to the wilderness, associated with rocks, wolves, winter and hunting, symbols of the Underworld. Loki, her lover, is the one traveling between the worlds, changing shape and gender at will, and the only one who knows how to please her, the giantess of death and destruction, when her anger threatens to destroy the gods. He does so by playing on her sense of humor and on her devotion to harm, ridiculing his own masculinity for all to see. As they appear, the pair is the more barbaric counterparts of Odin and Freya, their mirror images in rougher outfits.

<And just as the two might be called sisters, so Odin and Loki are brothers, at least foster brothers and blood brothers, friends and perhaps even lovers some time in the past, both pursuing the same arts, that of magic, of shape-changing, divination and the altering of fate, even the ultimate fate of death. But Loki is doomed to love the wrong side of death, the one that only means “destruction”.

>It is interesting that there were two groups of deities, the Vanir and the Æsir, and they fought a long war against each other before making peace

That is interesting. I like the idea in one of the wiki links re Vanir/Æsir that it reflects one religious pantheon being subsumed into another.


 No.342

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>>307

>That's interesting. I was looking at the celtic sun god and goddesses last night and their names were also potentially to do with shining/brightness.

wew

One of Varg’s albums is called ‘Belus’, referring to the Norse god Baldr, who is said to be very fair, bright and white – there has got to be something to the similar names and attributes methinks.

Also, I came across this image a while back – it is of some ceremonial armour for a horse connected to Celtic mythology. Know anything about it? It looks pretty badass tbh.

>As it stands now, it really does look like a last flicker of hope lies in the east. I really am taken aback at how fast Europe is being lost.

Yeah, it’s not looking good. I heard some rather depressing crime stats from the capital today… Surprisingly it turns out violent crime is on the rise among ‘youths’, especially in certain neighbourhoods in the capital. Coincidentally these neighbourhoods also have a majority non-western immigrant population.

I’ve just watched the Norwegian version of the interview, and she goes into greater detail about the lady with the mead in it here, than in the English interview. The lady with the mead is a figure that represents the fate-goddess each and every one of us has from birth and which follows us through life – she might be comparable to what we might today think of as a soul’ or spirit. She says that there are three kinds of these souls (or spirits). These myths are about the hero rousing his sleeping spirit guide.

In the recommended video list on YT I noticed this video which talks about reincarnation in Norse paganism, and also mentions the spirit – the guiding spirit is connected to one’s family and will look after the members of the family, it can take the shape of an animal. Depending on a person’s character/personality it can take the form of a bear, wolf, stag, fox, bull, &c.

Reincarnation and the Tripartite Soul of Indo-European Tradition by Survive the Jive: https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=YGGejwE2XMM

This three-part of the soul/spirit mentioned by Maria & Survive the Jive corresponds perfectly with the view of the soul/spirit which appears to have been a common view in Indo-European myths that there are three elements to the soul.

Compare this to the ‘Valknut’ symbol which consists of three triangles connected and forming one larger triangle – it is also found in Celtic mythology. It seems to be connected to death/afterlife – could it be a symbol of the three parts of the soul/spirit? The name means ‘knot of slain warriors’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valknut

And while we are on the topic of symbols – the Swastika appears to be a symbol connected with Þórr/Thor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_%28Germanic_Iron_Age%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A6b%C3%B8_sword

A swastika also appears on Thor’s belt in this 1872 painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor%27s_Fight_with_the_Giants

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 No.346

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>>342

>the Norse god Baldr, who is said to be very fair, bright and white – there has got to be something to the similar names and attributes methinks.

Yep. According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/roots.aspx?type=Indo-European&root=bhel-

They share the same Indo-European root. Cool.

>Also, I came across this image a while back – it is of some ceremonial armour for a horse connected to Celtic mythology. Know anything about it? It looks pretty badass tbh.

This is the first time I've seen it. Can you just imagine how intimidating that would look?

>'youths'

Those darned rascals eh.

>I noticed this video which talks about reincarnation in Norse paganism

Will check it out.

>Indo-European myths that there are three elements to the soul.

I wonder if the concept of the Christian Trinity was adopted in Europe?

>Compare this to the ‘Valknut’ symbol which consists of three triangles connected and forming one larger triangle – it is also found in Celtic mythology.

This reminds me of the triquetra and the triskele that are also associated with Celtic/pagan and European Christian religion. I think you might have hit upon a real underlying root with the three elements of the soul. Three seems to have been important.

<The symbol is closely related to the triskele, a symbol of three-fold rotational symmetry, which occurs on artefacts of the same period

well what do you know

>the Swastika appears to be a symbol connected with Þórr/Thor.

I'd heard about the connection as a form of sun cross but I don't see how it's seen as representing Thor or his hammer? The connection seems to come from that one guy who translated the sword inscription.


 No.347

>>346

>I don't see how it's seen as representing Thor or his hammer?

Looked a little further and see the connection now

<Primarily it appears to have had connections with light and fire, and to have been linked with the sun-wheel. It may have been on account of Thor's association with lightning that this sign was used as an alternative to the hammer, for it is found on memorial stones in Scandinavia besides inscriptions to Thor. When we find it on the pommel of a warrior's sword and on his sword-belt, the assumption is that the warrior was placing himself under the Thunder God's protection.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor#Swastikas


 No.348

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Mjölnir always reminds me of the Labrys


 No.366

I finally watched a Varg video. I feel dumber. Never again.


 No.416

>>346

>I wonder if the concept of the Christian Trinity was adopted in Europe?

Could be. I have seen some scholars claim Christian influence in some of the myths. Maria Kvilhaug contests this view, and I think even Varg does. The three parts of the soul appears to be common to Indo-European beliefs, and possibly quite old. Plato wrote about the three parts of the soul, which is mentioned in the video I linked to. Early Christianity adopted (ie hijacked) a lot of old pagan customs and the original celebration was replaced with a Christian one, ie the celebration of Yuletide being a pagan celebration of the solstice and the return of the sun being turned into a celebration to the birth of Jesus.

>I'd heard about the connection as a form of sun cross but I don't see how it's seen as representing Thor or his hammer?

The swastika is known as the hook cross or fleetfoot here, the sun cross is different, but also found in the Norse mythology. In the Poetic Edda there are four dwarfs who's names translates as North, West, East & South.

The wheels of the Trundholm sun chariot look like the sun cross, and the article mentions a connection between Norse, Celtic and Vedic mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trundholm_sun_chariot

Niels C. U. Brøgger mentions that Thor may originally have been a sun god, and that his servant (whom he travels with on occasion) symbolised the moon.

>>347

There is a poem that mentions what runes you should carve on your sword. If I remember correctly the two runes mentioned were the rune of the god Týr: ᛏ or ᛐ

and the ’sieg’ (’victory’) rune: ᛋ or ᛌ

>>348

<The labrys, as a historic goddess movement symbol represents the memory of pre-patriarchal matristic societies.[18] Since the 1970s,[19][20] It also has been used as a lesbian[20] and feminist,[21] symbol, said to represent women's strength and self-sufficiency.[22]

wew

There is poem/myth were Thor loses his hammer and he and Loki have to dress up in women’s clothes to get it back, with Thor disguised as Freyja, and Loki as his brides maid – the jǫtunn then places the hammer in Thor’s lap, and I think I have read that this is a symbol of dominance and of ‘completing’ the wedding ceremony. There is also the story where Thor argues with a ferry-man (Odin in disguise), and the two begin to throw insults at each other, eventually Odin mentions that Thor’s wife is unfaithful to him.

The handle on Thor’s hammer is described as being shorter than it ought to have been because Loki distracted the dwarf black smiths when they forged it – is there any mention of the Labrys having a similar short handle?

>>366

Yeah, I probably should have warned you more about that. Best to just stick to his music and ignore his ramblings. His RPG does seem interesting though.


 No.420

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>>416

>Early Christianity adopted (ie hijacked) a lot of old pagan customs and the original celebration was replaced with a Christian one

Yes that's what I was meaning, that Christianity might have adopted the concept of the Trinity only after moving into Europe after it mixed with extant practices there.

>The swastika is known as the hook cross or fleetfoot here, the sun cross is different, but also found in the Norse mythology…The wheels of the Trundholm sun chariot look like the sun cross,

Ah gotcha. I always thought they referenced the same thing.

>is there any mention of the Labrys having a similar short handle?

I know very little about it unfortunately.

>His RPG does seem interesting though.

Tell me more.


 No.496

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>>420

The suncross reminds me of the viking ringfortresses. It seems likely that the four entrances correspond to the four directions North, West, East & South.

>Varg’s RPG

He made a Dungeons & Dragons style RPG a few years back – really quality stuff too I think, with nice artwork and a detailed map. He made a YT video going over the different races/factions in the game, and they are based on the different peoples of Europe – Gaels, Saxons, Slavs, etc.

Who would have thought Varg plays pen & paper roleplaying games? He has done reviews of RPGs as well, I remember seeing a video where he sits in his car and talks about the expansion pack to the Lord of the Rings RPG.


 No.508

>>496

>Who would have thought Varg plays pen & paper roleplaying games?

Certainly not me kek.

>The suncross reminds me of the viking ringfortresses.

For sure. Would love to see one of those irl.


 No.706

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<Even in the 18th century the site was still associated with traditions and rituals, by then relating to Norse gods.

<One stone, known as the "Odin Stone" which stood in the field to the north of the henge,[3] was pierced with a circular hole, and was used by local couples for plighting engagements by holding hands through the gap. It was also associated with other ceremonies and believed to have magical power.[5] There was a reported tradition of making all kinds of oaths or promises with one's hand in the Odin Stone; this was known as taking the "Vow of Odin".[6]

It seems strange that Odin should be associated with romance/love, instead of Freyja, but the hole in the stone could be a symbol of the one-eyed Odin.

Orkneyjar - The Odin Stone: http://archive.is/UQLhf

&

Orkneyjar - The Odin Stone and its wedding connections: http://web.archive.org/web/20170922075832/http://orkneyjar.com/history/odinstone/odwedd.htm

&

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Stones_of_Stenness


 No.708

>>706

Will check out those links. Immediately brought to mind the 'Mouth of Truth' in Rome. Where people place their hand inside when swearing an oath. Well at least that's the story I remember from Roman Holiday.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bocca_della_Verit%C3%A0


 No.735

>>706

>Orkneyjar - The Odin Stone

That story is so frustrating! He didn't even own the land. Amazed he wasn't disappeared for such an act.


 No.755

File: b50faec8fe9bc06⋯.jpg (3.19 MB, 3543x2362, 3:2, Figurine, possibly a Valky….jpg)

>>735

Yeah, it is so fucking crazy that he just destroyed it and especially that he got away with it. At the very least he could have gotten someone to help him move it somewhere else.

>>708

wew

That is so cool. Rome is probably the only large city I would like to visit; so much ancient history at every corner!

http://web.archive.org/web/20180518041919/https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-mouth-of-truth


 No.759

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>>755

>Rome is probably the only large city I would like to visit; so much ancient history at every corner!

I visited Rome a while back. There really are just ancient sites and ruins practically everywhere. Preferred the cities further north though.


 No.866

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>>759

Did you visit the usual tourist attractions – Flavian Amphitheatre, Forum, &c.?

I think I would have preferred to avoid standing in line to see all the usual attractions in favour of the more interesting sites such as Hadrian’s Villa in Tivoli and everything connected with the Medici family of Firenze.


 No.868

>>866

I can't even remember what I looked at now apart from the big things like the colosseum in Rome, the Cupola, church and baptistery in Florence, the arena and Juliet's balcony in Verona, St. Marks in Venice, the big church in Milan etc.

>everything connected with the Medici family of Firenze.

I remember there being some kind of connection to them pretty much in every town and city in Tuscany. They got around.


 No.1150

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Lookie lookie at what was in that lit link. Finally got my hands on the eddas to peruse at some point! Unfortunately no luck on the sapphic collection

>no sources

Will try a few more times.


 No.1434

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Just came across embed related. Have you seen the movie. I want to watch it to see how he has been portrayed.


 No.1440

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>>1150

There is a somewhat new translation in English I have been meaning to check out, by professor Jackson W. Crawford. Some of the English translations are very outdated – the language they use is antiquated and does not make for an interesting read IMHO.

Crawford makes videos on Norse mythology on his YT channel as well: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXCxNFxw6iq-Mh4uIjYvufg

I wish Maria Kvilhaug would do an annotated translation of it as well; it is so important that the names are translated as well in order for it all to make sense.

>>1434

I haven’t yet. I do know he refused to partake in a book or docu on black metal a few years ago, saying it was made by Jews who wanted to push an agenda I believe. He did make a video about the docu though, pointing out the many flaws and errors made in it.

Speaking of black metal docus though, have you seen the infamous VICE interview with Gaahl? At the end he is so fed up with the interviewer’s ignorance and stupidity he just refuses to speak to him and sits in unblinking silence for minutes till the interviewer finally takes the hint and ends the interview. Gaahl is part of the Wardruna music group/project, so he is somewhat relevant to a Norse thread as well.


 No.1445

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>>1440

>I wish Maria Kvilhaug would do an annotated translation of it as well; it is so important that the names are translated as well in order for it all to make sense.

I would love that as well, after seeing some of her vids you posted.

>have you seen the infamous VICE interview with Gaahl?

Checking it out now. I pretty much know nothing about black metal music.


 No.1446

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>>1440

>no plumbing

What savagery is this?

I like his paintings.

He seems a little intense…

>At the end he is so fed up with the interviewer’s ignorance and stupidity he just refuses to speak to him and sits in unblinking silence for minutes till the interviewer finally takes the hint and ends the interview.

Oh my gosh, frozen like a statue. U N C O M F O R T A B L E

<guide me

Kek, it's like he hadn't listened to a word Gaahl said. I can understand why he just stopped interacting at that point.


 No.1447

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>>1446

>What savagery is this?

Well, to be fair, he does live out in the middle of nowhere. And I see it may have been somewhat hypocritical of me to call London bleak-looking when you see how dismal and dark things are here…

>He seems a little intense…

Aye, he needs to loosen up a little. Doubt he would in front of the cameras though – he’s got a reputation after all…

>Oh my gosh, frozen like a statue. U N C O M F O R T A B L E

>Kek, it's like he hadn't listened to a word Gaahl said. I can understand why he just stopped interacting at that point.

I’m surprised it took him that long to figure out the interview was over tbh.

<it's all so tiresome

you absolute madlad. It fits perfectly to that scene too; very nice find.


 No.1448

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>>1447

>it may have been somewhat hypocritical of me to call London bleak-looking when you see how dismal and dark things are here…

I was imagining you sitting inside as the rain pours down when they were looking out the window. And wondered how you deal with the weather there. Does it bother you, not matter much, or do you enjoy it?

>I’m surprised it took him that long to figure out the interview was over tbh.

I wonder if he was trying to pull some interrogation tactic, waiting him out to speak again. Fail.

>embed

Ooooh thank you. Can't wait to give this a listen. While watching the doco I kept thinking of that Wadruna performance with Aurora in the cave. Awh yees there is a new upload of a different performance of it.


 No.1449

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>>1448

>I was imagining you sitting inside as the rain pours down when they were looking out the window. And wondered how you deal with the weather there. Does it bother you, not matter much, or do you enjoy it?

It can be a little gloomy and bleak, especially during autumn, but I’d take rain and fog and cold over the sweltering heat of summer… Last summer, when the temperature didn’t drop below 25 °C, I just couldn’t sleep. No idea how you guys can handle all that sun and those hellish temperatures tbh. That has more of an effect on the body than weeks of cold drizzle and fog.

Also, while autumn and winters are long dark and cold, the spring and early summer is a delight – everything is green and blossoming and it is warm enough that you can walk around in a t-shirt and shorts, and it never gets dark during the summer nights, just a light dusk – and if you live in the northern parts, you even have midnight sun during the summer months.

>I wonder if he was trying to pull some interrogation tactic, waiting him out to speak again. Fail.

Maybe he should have brought a buddy, and tried good cop/bad cop on him?

I did find two articles by Varg talking about recent black metal books/docus – I think he shares Gaahl’s views on people from the mainstream media writing on the topic.

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/haavard_rem_innfoedte_skrik_norsk_svartmetall.shtml

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/lords_of_chaos_review.shtml

>Can't wait to give this a listen.

Along with Ivar Bjørnson & Einar Selvik’s musical project ‘Skuggsjá’ (‘Mirror’), and the Swedish Forndom, Wardruna is the only sound that manages to capture the Norse spirit. Still, it irks me that they call Yggdrasill an ash-tree in one of their songs… It is of course a yew.

>While watching the doco I kept thinking of that Wadruna performance with Aurora in the cave.

I’m still to bummed out she got blacked too be able to listen to her again. What a waste ;_;


 No.1493

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>>1449

>and if you live in the northern parts, you even have midnight sun during the summer months.

I would love to see that. And the Northern Lights.

I guess growing up here I'm fairly adjusted to the heat. When it drops below 20 I am cold and uncomfortable. But our weather is so shit here. It isn't consistent, so you can't adjust to one temp before it goes up or down 15 degrees the next day, sometimes in the same day.


 No.1515

I watched the alex jones/joe rogan interview recently, and was sort of on the fence about the hallucinogenic effects and experiments they talked about - about how germanic tribes would take drugs aand communicate with outer beings who would pass information onto them, and then that stuff is tried in our world, and it works.

Here she talks about the norse knowing that there was a field around the world, which lightning was "stored" in, that protected the planet from outer forces from space, and that for Thor's hammer to work, he needed an iron belt and glove, likely due to the conductance of electricity required. Kind of a fucking trip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOmsl9OytlQ


 No.1516

>>1515

>I watched the alex jones/joe rogan interview recently

Same, but was zonked out so didn't really listen.

>Here she talks about the norse knowing that there was a field around the world, which lightning was "stored" in, that protected the planet from outer forces from space, and that for Thor's hammer to work, he needed an iron belt and glove, likely due to the conductance of electricity required. Kind of a fucking trip.

Sounds awesome. Will check it out in the morning.


 No.1517

>>1516

>jones/rogan

Not going to lie - the guy gets into "Nazis are running NASA" and while I am still not going to say one way or the other, that stuff didn't click with me. The first 30 minutes is all clearing his name/rep for the sandy hook thing that got him taken off of youtube/itunes/everything. The last hour is basically a wash. There's a solid hour or so in there of them talking about parallel society government/CIA-type cults experimenting with drugs, about spirituality, etc.

Then you listen to shit like this where this girl (same as above) was raised athiest, is talking about shit like halluncinating, having a common hallucination with her grandfather, and saying that a near-death experience also gave her the same feeling. She says nothing about DMT, nothing about CIA/whatevers, this is 100% organically experienced shit, and it basically all clicks. What the actual fuck, for serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHJVRdOrOHQ&list=PLxDBGYdDmm2n7-nYh49d9qMJRZB8Z1qSa&index=6


 No.1518

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>>1515

I lost what little respect I had for Rogan when he did that fluff-piece with Jack Dorsey. What a fucking disgrace that was. And I looked up Jones’ on BitChute to see his response to the backlash Rogan faced after that interview, and he said he’d never be on Rogan’s show again, so I can’t say I have any respect for Jones left either.

That said, they are correct that Germanic tribes/the Norse used hallucinogenics, probably by the vǫlvar (seeresses – witches who could tell the past, present and future, and knew about healing, and communicate with the deities), & seiðdmenn (male witches) to communicate with the deities. When they excavated the Oseberg ship burial, one of the two women buried there had a small leather pouch full of cannabis. Archaeologists have also discovered that cannabis was cultivated as far back as the Iron Age: http://web.archive.org/web/20150520024452/https://forskning.no/arkeologi-jernalder/2012/12/norske-vikinger-dyrket-hamp

Maria Kvilhaug wrote about the connection between electricity in ‘The Seed of Yggdrasill’, and it was the topic of one of the videos in her ‘Hidden Knowledge in Old Norse Myths’ series. The field around the world they mention sounds like Earth’s geomagnetic field. I have seen some online comment that the world-serpent Jǫrmungandr, which encircles the entire world, is symbolic of the Equator. In the myth where Þórr goes fishing and nearly reels in the world-serpent, the jǫtunn Hymir who accompanies Þórr, is so scared that he cuts the fishing-line and the serpent sinks back into the ocean. Some have suggested that if Þórr had managed to reel in the world-serpent that would have rekt the world, and that the symbolism is the god associated with thunder/electricity/magnetism(?) destroying Earth’s geomagnetic field/the Equator.

Come Ragnarǫk, Þórr and Jǫrmungandr will fight to the death, and the world goes under.

>>1517

Here is a comparison video of Rogan interviewing Jones and Elon Musk (not together, although that would be fun as hell); Rogan and people dismiss Jones as this crazed nutjob, but when Musk says it, it suddenly becomes possible…

Joe Rogan - Elon Musk confirms Alex Jones theories - Invidious: https://invidio.us/watch?v=Sa52TWoUFCk


 No.1519

>>1518

…Wait, are you aware Jones was back on the Rogan show like 3 or 4 days ago? The video hit like 2 mill views within 20 hours but was kept off of trending. Everything else you're saying is interesting, and I'm investigating before I reply completley, but I just want to throw this out there first.


 No.1520

>>1519

>…Wait, are you aware Jones was back on the Rogan show like 3 or 4 days ago?

Yeah, for some reason I often get Rogan’s videos in the recommended list/sidebar. They (you know who) probably kept it from trending because Jones was being interviewed. The guy’s been de-personed online by every major tech company, and he tends to fight for free speech, and talk about censorship, so no wonder they wanted to keep it from trending.

Also, the photo in >>1493 reminded me of something, I have seen a theory online that the magical bridge Bifrǫst is actually Northern Light and not the rainbow.


 No.1521

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>>1517

Just saw that Styxhexenhammer666 did a video on the Rogan/Jones vid. I agree with his take on Jones; he puts on a show, but I genuinely believe he is earnest about most of it (gun rights, free speech, globalism, mudslime/nigger immigration, &c.)


 No.1522

>>1521

I don't subscribe to Alex Jones, I don't buy shit from his filtermerchant shop, but Styx is a literal e-celeb; a content aggregator for unironic alt-righters. He has almost nothing of value to say. Millions of other people hold the opinion that Alex Jones is just a showman. Millions of people have already thought, repeated, posted online, etc., the entirety of the opinions that Styx expressed in that video.

<oh by the way that's why i prefer to have the home office so i can keep it simple and independent

Alright, consider me triggered. What a fucking stupidly revealing comment. For someone who collects money for "thinkin bout staf" he has CLEARLY never considered who or what paved the way for him being able to do what he does. He is exactly like the SJWs who simply assume that peaceful societies, sidewalks, buildings, and happy people sprout from the ground from nothing. Anybody can stand on a soapbox on a streetcorner, and that's essentially what Styx is doing, he was just handed an enormous microphone - but by whom?

You tell me: In an age where everyone was what we would call bluepilled, trust in the media was massive and uncontested, and only (((globalists))) were able to disseminate information widely and effectively, who was the first person to seriously attempt to match the production values of the MSM in order to get people to actually listen to the message? I'll give you a hint: It was fucking Alex Jones. So for Styx to go and say in his subtext that he's more impartial, that is only because the "moral" choice of having no sponsors, in this instance, is also the laziest choice, and the fact that "impartiality" is the easiest option is due to people like Alex Jones

I don't give a fuck if Alex Jones doesn't believe ANY of what he talks about - the fact is that he is OBJECTIVELY a pioneer for the sharing of unkosher information, and for some uninsightful lazy cuck to sit back in the chair he jerks off in and talk into a $20 webcam while looking down on a man who has literally risked his fucking KIDS to bring the world information for free so that cucks like Styx can make a living off of repeating cursory observations about the topics Alex pioneered the exposition of is fucking pathetic. Pathetic. The only reason millions of people have their ears open to Styx's message is because of Alex Jones, and the only reason anybody gave a fuck about him in the first place is because they could see he took his own message seriously i.e. RAN A SHOW. Something Styx does not fucking do, because he is too busy not wearing a shirt in half of his fucking videos to actually think or actively gather information, instead of filter-feeding on what shit trickles down from elsewhere. Fuck styxhexenhammer.


 No.1523

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>>1522 (checked)

>I don't give a fuck if Alex Jones doesn't believe ANY of what he talks about - the fact is that he is OBJECTIVELY a pioneer for the sharing of unkosher information

Right on.

>Fuck styxhexenhammer.

Wew. I watched the vid and didn't get the impression that he was shitting on Alex or anything. I agree that he seems to be a content aggregator (like most heh). I imagine the value isn't exactly in what he is saying but in that he models to his audience ways of parsing information. Fuck me I am so exhausted and can only think in 'teacher' talk at the moment sorry.

>>1520

>the photo in >>1493 (You) reminded me of something, I have seen a theory online that the magical bridge Bifrǫst is actually Northern Light and not the rainbow.

*looks up Bifrost

What a mind fuck thinking about this as a bridge between worlds or dimensions and how light could play a part in it or this

<possibly connected to bil, perhaps meaning "moment, weak point")

>weak point

Just thinking about fucking worm holes or parallel dimensions.




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