/32/ - Psychopolitics

Another idea is that they just might be immoral sociopaths that believe in nothing

>>2174

That too, but most seem to be way too invested into this

I'm seeing some patterns in these trolls-SJW

There seems to be a trend of mediocrity and unfulfilled goals among this group. Like some if not most trolls manage to have a life on the side and sometimes leave the 'playing field' because they don't have any free time anymore.

But not the SJW, I have yet to meet one whose life isn't below-average. That might explain one constant in their discourse: revanchism

Either now that they are extreme-left or (as seen in cases like nyberg) when they were extreme-right they all seem to share this tendency to demand reparations. Most of them don't even fall into categories that could really be considered unprivileged and yet they all demand that the world should compensate them for some old grievance which was most likely caused by their own asocial behavior

So its not surprising that they latched to social justice which is both an erratic non-empirical movement and based mostly around the idea of revanchism over true progress and development. Most SJ-based ideologies have as a dogma that wealth should be distributed, no matter the origin of such wealth or if the future recipients deserve it or not.

Its not about creating something but about taking credit for it, and most SJW happen to contribute little if anything to the fields they invade, but they all demand money and recognition

Social justice allows them to troll people while getting money and fame out of it. The social justice movement makes no pretense of sticking to any sort of rules of war-- anything they do to attack straight white men is justified because it's being done on behalf of the oppressed, and any counterattack is wholly illegitimate because it's being done by a majority group. They can be as mean to people as they want and the diversity advocates of the world will back them up no matter what. They can get money from high level business leaders in the tech industry who want to promote diversity for the sake of driving down worker's wages (plus maybe some amount of genuine belief in the cause of social justice). If they're ever counterattacked, they can rise from obscurities to feminist celebrities (e.g. Quinn, Wu, and Sarkeesian) without needing any actual accomplishments by taking their story to leaders in the social justice movement, who will use heavily biased versions of their stories (if not outright lies) to claim that these are innocent women being attacked by misogynists for daring to criticize sexism.

What about known trolls who have done the opposite? gone from neutral(appearing) internet trolls to rightwing-affiliated ideologues?

-Justine Tunney

-Weev

-Sam Hyde

The radicalization aspect is real interesting.

>>2181

That's the thing, they are keeping the original troll idea of just pissing people off. Right now being right-wing in the west its social poison, never before there has been a higher level of political polarization during peacetime.

Those trolls you name noticed long ago this trend and how most liberals and progressives have an almost dogmatic tendency to just reject anything that might inconvenience them and their belief these trolls go and kick the right-wing into overdrive, specially in the case of weev who went full nazi.

They do this because they want to piss people off, that's all.

But the ex-trolls who are now SJWs they only care about money and actual connection. This goes back to what I said here >>2179 . Because most of them are mediocre at best they look for actual gains. They don't care about having fun pissing off people and many of them keep their old beliefs intact no matter the conflict with SJWism.

The irony is that they end up doing far more damage than the old trolls did because as SJW they get some degree of legitimacy while nobody would take a troll very seriously.

a lot of the old Something Awful goonsquad has become populated by middle-aged autists that are easily manipulated by feminist vaginal oligarchs. SA in turn converted quite a few of the Encyclopedia Dramatica oldfags like Weev for a time and they even taught feminists SJWs the tools of online and media trolling in exchange for sex.

>>2477

weev himself even admitted to being used like this and having trained an SJW in forum trolling and intentional doxxing

>>2478

Are you talking about Shanley Kane?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/ (https://archive.is/hMqwa)

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Shanley_kane (https://archive.is/PYxio)

They've made a career out of their hobby. A butcher doesn't care what meat goes under the knife.

>>2173

They are the ultimate people management class.

The important thing to consider is that - whatever the reason - some people have the urge to control communities and get along with the big guys (mainly administrators) - eventually they inherit the position, if they are smart enough. That is the survival of the fittest in itself. Obviously, these extremely-social characters might suffer from some mental condition causing this behaviour in the first place.

Once you consider that, and accept that is what they love, you have to ask yourself - what possible job is accessible to those people? This is where it stems from.

The new job market for them is the community managers and (by government acceptable) activism, which today is social justice. In some cases they do not have strictly defined jobs, but patreons and crowd-funding have proven to by as reliable as job bureau, and if they have collage education they progress as academics from that point.

So to keep it short, they are making their own jobs within (by today's standards) acceptable framework. I consider it to be somewhat revolutionary, on par as if someone told you that the future people will be artists because all jobs are occupied by machines. For them, we are the machines, and they don't want our jobs anyway.

I encourage you all to checkout True Believer. Specifically the part about converts:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer#Part_2._The_Potential_Converts

The key points laid over this question of SJWs:

1. Alienation. Not having traditional social fabric/support, sense of belonging, and meaningful rites of passage leading to firm role in community. Obviously this applies to many people in Western societies and particularly to people drawn to Chan culture.

2. Unmet economic expectations. He calls them "the new poor" but it can simply mean someone raised in say, a solidly middle class family during good economic times who comes of age in deteriorating markets with reduced opportunity. Certainly this applies to millenials even before we consider the load of unrealistic expectations we were fed by the "self esteem" movement and Western aspirational culture/marketing in general.

3. Misfits. This is vague in the wiki, but he's lassoing all the people who would likely be discontent and disenfranched such as the physically and mentally ill. Along with that we include the frustrated underachievers, genuinely wronged by some establishment, and those who are simply miserable but unwilling to improve by healthy means. Ring any bells?

The book makes a point to explain that these generally unhappy people can easily join any mass movement which offers them a sense of belonging, empowerment, and purpose. Further they can easily switch ideologies because the words are secondary to the function of emotionally compensating for their discontentment.

Mass movements demand a stripping away of individuality. For these flexible converts, they already feel self loathing. Their unsatisfying and unexamined lives are willing plastic.

Finally, in case of progressive politics, the movement has solidified as an establishment which offers economic and social advancement beyond what many misfits could achieve -- unless they become true believers.

>>2484

This is what I came here to post. The only things you need to be a goon are two complementary traits: sadistic personality disorder and a rigid adherence to the game-theoretic principle of screwing over everyone who's not your own. Switching to progressivism is a technology upgrade. They're Burroughs's "shit", a person who has degenerated to the level of a virus, which then infests healthy communities and turns them into factories for its own kind (which, typically, either cripples or kills the host).

>>2487

This is hardly revolutionary. Who are preachers and teachers but a "people management class"?