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 No.383

Can we discuss propaganda in movies?

To me the most effective propaganda is not shown blatantly, it lays hidden in the open whitin the ideology behind the film.

(Love this board btw).

 No.384

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I'll start with "Interstellar"(2014). In this sci fi movie we have the "hero"[spoiler]some guy who's stuck being a farmer in post apacalyptic USA. He's disappointed of life because even tough he's a pretty great astronaut, he's condemned to a trivial existence in a farm. He's also a rebel, and some sort of light headed truth seeker. He ends up discovering a undercover government organization (post apocaliyptic NASA) that gives him a chance to be an astronaut again, and a bigger cause (saving mankind) but in order to do this he must do a huge sacrifice (leave his son and daugher for a couple of decades).

NASA in this movie has a very vertical kind of hierarchy. You can tell there's only one real leader - this is somewhat simplistic to provide a more clear narration.

I think this man, a genius physicist and highly powerful political/spiritual leader represents the way of the elites.

The "hero" represents the frustrated average man, stuck in an unfulfilling reality.

His son and daughter represent his own legacy, his own ideals, his spiritual roots on earth.

He sacrifices all that is trully his for the ideals of the NASA leader (aka the elite) and a promise of a greater good (his rol in essence is almost identical to that of the solider, it only requires more sophistication, but he's seen and treated like a tool in a bigger scheme)(also they are both supposed to be fighting for "society", "good" and "justice").

Somewhere along the line, he realizes he's been tricked by the NASA leader. He was never meant to go back to his family.

This is the "ends justify the means" mentality, so typical of the elites and USA's forgein policy.

You could say it is as if the USA's goverment were telling it's solider "we've staged 9-11 and made up an artificial enemy for you to fight but it was all for a greater cause", consequentialism in action.

In spite of the huge sacrifice, it all ends "well", he got just in time to see his daugher die, strangely he doesn't seem to give too many Blimps about that, mankind was somehow saved.

So in conclusion the main message hidden in plain sight would be: blindly trusting the secret elite wasn't that bad after all. Sure, their methods are morally dubious to say the least but it all ends when we trust them and give our minds and bodies to them for a greater cause. We are human resurces who come and go, might as well relinquish ourselves to them.

Since people think these movies are nothing but cool stories to entretain themselves along with some popcorn, they will not realize the ideological position of the writers and the hidden message will be imprinted in their subconscious minds. My theory is that placing this ideas helps making people more docile and comfortable with certain actions elites take. The "saviour" position which USA occupies angain and again in these stories also acts as a much needed "bath" to clean up it's image, disguising crimes as "necessary measures", glorifying war/politicians/military/etc and appealing to nationalist sentimentality.


What I'm not sure but I suspect is that this might be an undercovered way to start to come clean about some issues, at least on a subconscious level. Maybe this is is a way to move towards to some future revelations?[/spoiler]

 No.385

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>>384
I love how the cliche of "earth becomes uninhabitable from environmental destruction to the point that humans have to leave it" became so prevalent in science fiction over the last decade that it isn't even brought up in discussions about the propagandic aspects of the movies that use it anymore.

I could have posted a dozen more examples but these are probably the biggest and most important ones.

 No.387

>>384
>What I'm not sure but I suspect is that this might be an undercovered way to start to come clean about some issues, at least on a subconscious level.

perhaps movies could be used to apply some sort of mental set in mass.
Here is one example from the book
Cognitive Psychology - Robert J. Sternberg:

>Imagine that you are a doctor treating a patient with a malignant stomach tumor.You cannot operate on the patient because of the severity of the cancer. But unless you destroy the tumor somehow, the patient will die. You could use high-intensity X-rays to destroy the tumor. Unfortunately, the intensity of X-rays needed to destroy the tumor also will destroy healthy tissue through which the rays must pass. X-rays of lesser intensity will spare the healthy tissue, but they will be insufficiently powerful to destroy the tumor. Your problem is to figure out a procedure that will destroy the tumor without also destroying the healthy tissue surrounding the tumor.


now lets pretend you watch a movie with such plot:

>A general wishes to capture a fortress located in the center of a country. There are many roads radiating outward from the fortress. All have been mined. Although small groups of men can pass over the roads safely, any large force will detonate the mines. A full-scale direct attack is therefore impossible. What should the general do?


the results:
The question is whether producing a group-convergence solution to the military problem helped participants in solving the radiation problem. Consider participants who received the military problem with the convergence solution and then were given a hint to apply it in some way to the radiation problem. About 75% of the participants reached the correct solution to the radiation problem. This figure compared with less than 10% of the participants who did not receive the military story first but instead received no prior story or only an irrelevant one.

 No.440

>>385
OP here.

>"earth becomes uninhabitable from environmental destruction to the point that humans have to leave it"


That is another dangerous idea that is being pushed softly. People in general have become used to technology improving exponentially and the more "guillible" might consider this as a possibility. Seems like they would like to have us believe blindly in science coming up with an answer that will enable us to keep living like this in a world with limited resources.

>>387
Are you saying this could set a precedent for people to understand some other message in the future?

 No.441

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Besides dystopian scifi, I'm expecting more Superheroe movies in the future.

The revivial of super heroes reminds me of the golden age of comics, of course now is all more subtle, but in essence it serves the same purpose.

Maybe more ridiculous war glorification like in the forgettable "Alice in Wonderland".

 No.583

>>385
Oblivion wasn't environmental destruction, (although if i remember that was the story the two humans were fed) in reality it was the fact that aliens had conquered the planet and were simply eating up the water

 No.584

>>387
>>A general wishes to capture a fortress located in the center of a country. There are many roads radiating outward from the fortress. All have been mined. Although small groups of men can pass over the roads safely, any large force will detonate the mines. A full-scale direct attack is therefore impossible. What should the general do?

the smart ones would of said do nothing as you have already won

>no usuable roads due to mines

>no beans bullets or bandages for the fortress
>you win

 No.587

Lucy (2014) - funnily enough, created by LUC Besson. Luc, Lucy, lux - light. The plot retells this old story about the light bearer's struggles against the material plane. Main character (the elite) is blessed with gnosis that, when the time comes, will unlock the full potential of the chosen ones and allow them to mould the universe at will. The asians (clever choice btw) represent the 'dark ocean of thoughtlesness' (meaning us) incapable of comprehending the great plan. Of course, it all ends with the creation of the monolith that will allow for the mind-infection to spread (see 2001: Space Odyssey). And yeah, plenty of basic propaganda too: end justifies the means, shedding your humanity to make way for something greater is noble, pills will transform your soul and perfect your mind, psychopathic feminist collective devoid of any femininity is wisdom incarnate, progress is inevitable and, most importantly, sacred. Machines and cold, mechanical minds are sacred.

The Fifth Element (1997) - Luc Besson again. For people familiar with the meaning of the pentagram, the title itself will speak volumes. Basically, another gnostic tale about the hero's journey and alchemical marriage: the perfect feminine (water and earth, or feelings and body) and perfect masculine (fire and wind, or will and mind) meld together and create the key (fifth element, or an anomalous substance, philosopher's stone etc.) to universe's mainframe. All this to stop that vicious, unenlightened dark mass that aim to destroy the enterprise. And all this to stop death itself, supposedly. As for the basic stuff, the predictive programming is there by the tons. Police state, monitoring, poor standards of living, one world government with a black president and so on. And again, technology and psychopathy good, therefore basic humanity bad.


More to come, if someone's interested.

 No.589

>>587

Keep going.

 No.2471

STAR WARS SERIES

One has to notice that star wars is a republican democratic propaganda product. Anti-monarchy propaganda product. The cat's out of the bag in second series of star wars (by production chronology). We learn about essential facts and circumstances which help us to understand real distribution of power and who plays what part.

First of all, we find out what's the initial cause of great inter-galactic war. War begun because inter-galactic senate raised taxes which haven't made trade guild too happy. And it started secet production of clones, drones, robots which were to serve the purpose of seizing power in the galaxy. It's very important discovery. Cause of war was excessive state control and fiscalism in politics of democratic authorities.

It's pretty typical, theres no villainy, wicked deeds that democratic authorities won't resort to in need of money.

Senat imposes taxes, rebellion breaks out, war. Of course i'm on the side of trade guild which protested against extreme galactic fiscalism.

Main heroine (called princess in the beginning) in second part chronologically is already called Mrs Senator. Who's next to her in galactic senate? Among others that biggest idiot from the first movie, jar-jar. Here it's subconsciousness manifesting, truth comes to light (although it's republican propaganda work).

That's the truth of democracies that senators and members of parliament are biggest idiots, those who guarantee their real patrons that they won't understand anything and will do anything that's expected from them.

Who is patron, the power behind the throne, who has the real power in galaxy.

It turns out that behind facade of democracy, behind senate, there's a circle of people leaded by rather short elderly gentleman and it's where real decisions are made. It's where politics is done. Senat only debates. Real decisions are made by Jedi Knights, KGB. Intergalactic KGB. With that short Yoda at the lead of it.

Even in that limited circle there's despotic rule. Yoda obviously can consult with the circle but in reality he arrives at the decisions himself. We're dealing here with KGB with the whole romantic legend added for coverup.

That it is in fact inter-galactic KGB there are lots of proofs. You remember the scene, whole sequence, young obi-wan with young skywalker enter some establishment. And there obi-wan does brain-washing of one of the clients, casually. He recommends him going home and thinking about his whole life. Brain washing, backstage decisions and pulling strings behind the facade of democracy. That's the world in star wars, that's the republic depicted in star wars.

If Jedi Knights are KGB then who's skywalker senior, later Lord Vader. He's a rebel. The only noble individual, only person who revolts against that system. Only man who's on the side of normal people and declares war on KGB. And because of that he has to be smeared by his adversaries. Authority hates people who break ranks, break conspiracy of silence and don't hold common front of traitors.

Narration shows us republican propaganda.

This propaganda work in fact tells us very much about real arrangement of power in world of demoracy. Back to first series by production chronology. What model is realized by skywalker junior story. It's story of pawlik morozow. Legend of soviet propaganda, he becames hero of soviet propaganda because he informs authorities on his own father, in kolkhoz, that he didn't hand over all the grain collected on field. Luke skywalker is pawlik morozow who after brain washing done by KGB he raises his hand to strike his own father.

That are the models and heroes in star wars.

One more thing. Who the power surround themselves with? (KGB authorities) Whose help they use? Criminals, smugglers. It's typical for every bolshevik revolution and for each democratic-revolutionary power. They have to appeal to underclass to crush the opposition - honest and normal people. That's the subconsciousness of star wars universe. It is it's hidden sense.


 No.2472

>>2471

Thank you very much for that post, it was very interesting and it put the Star Wars series under a new light for me.

Thank you also for mentioning the case of Pawlik Morozow, I had not heard of it and it draws interesting parallels between Orwell's 1984 and reality.


 No.2494

Anything about the Book of Eli movie? Kinda curious about it, you guys saw something occult on it or it is straight in it message? Thanks.


 No.2511

>>2471

Lucas was very open about the prequels having an antibush message to them, he said it many times.

>And it started secet production of clones

Did you even watch the movies? it was the republic that build a clone army which set the stage for the rise of the empire since the military could take over the senate and overrun the jedi temple.

>i'm on the side of trade guild which protested against extreme galactic fiscalism

Again the trade got tricked by palpatine into thinking they could take over naboo by imposing a trade blockade and bribing other planet's representatives in the senate to delay any actions and so naboo would surrender.

>Real decisions are made by Jedi Knights

Dude seriously? the jedi are more like UN peacekeepers, which means totally useless without the clone army and they get rekt in the end

>If Jedi Knights are KGB then who's skywalker senior, later Lord Vader. He's a rebel

He was a jedi until palpatine essentially cornered him into joining the dark side or losing his wife, again did you see the movie? the point was that since he was so powerful he could see parts of the future he thought he was going to lose padme but at the end the future he was seeing where she died was the result of helping palpatine.

>Luke skywalker is pawlik morozow who after brain washing done by KGB he raises his hand to strike his own father

Except he didn't know vader was his father until after he got his uncle and aunt killed and then cut his hand off, and even then luke tried to save him until the very end

>>2494

That movie was crap to compete against The Road which was released at the same time. Of course it was a joke, product placement in a post-apocalyptic movie? for shame...


 No.2602

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Personally, I've began noticing a lot of very real ideas being connected with fictional narratives, to promote perhaps an intended purpose/agenda.

In Black ops 2, you use a cyborg power called 'Cybernetics' - a lesser known science, that is now linked with fiction and fantasy.

In a recent series I watched, - The Expanse, set in a far future where the solar system has been colonized. The earth is run by a world order of the UN. - Thus, progress and an inevitable cool future now linked with UN control of world.

New star wars film

I notice how the army, of the republic is:

1) Directly seen as the epitome of good.

2) Very racially diverse.

3) Full of women, despite their impracticality on a battlefield.

4) The underdogs, who come out on top. Very inspiring.

The Empire however,

1) Is the epitome of unconditional evil, without reason.

2) directly compared to Nazism(a go-to evil association) in multiple scenes.

3) uniform and united.

The empire is rebelled against by a 'loveable' main character who is himself an underdog, of the good side. This underdog is black, and wins the tall young white woman. Throughout the movie, he makes lots of nonsensical mistakes which make us happy to see him - associate him with laughter and smiles - and this makes him come off very relatable.

These are the associations that the masses will grow to have, having been exposed to this media.

Whether this is propaganda or simply, mainstream influence, is up to you.


 No.2655

>>2602

What exactly am I supposed to see in that red circle?


 No.2662

Zombie horde movies are, to my eyes, blatant propaganda of how the rich see the poor. Dawn of the dead had the consumer society as a theme, making the modern life seem like living death. Since then there's been a constant run of zombie films like city of the dead and Day Z, about cities being overrun by hordes of zombies (the media's refugees?) and authorities struggling to maintain order and a constant state of emergency.

I wonder if these are predictive programming.


 No.2663

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>>583

It's not just movies. It's been a theme in games too, like this one which has a heap of illuminati symbolism.

Kind of freaky to think they could write in an alien invasion as a historical event in a post-polluted, majorly depopulated world, with the survivors buying into it like the moon landing or the accepted (false) narrative of past wars. The media throws out these end-of-the-world scenarios willy-nilly, and the aim is probably fear, though they apparently do like to imagine these depopulation scenarios.


 No.2664

>>384

The extent of cultural programming is gut-wrenchingly sad and all of the media is to blame.

What's being done to human happiness is a diabolic crime. So much media that serves to encourage the break-up of families and engender suspicion between people, especially men and women, with the effects of rising divorce rates and increased loneliness, and there's the thought police being instilled in education and social life through PC laws, leading to the creation of rigid, uptight people who can never relax and have no idea what's going on, almost afraid to exist. It's terrifying.


 No.2665

>>384

The extent of cultural programming is gut-wrenchingly sad and media is the culprit.

What they're doing to human happiness is a diabolic crime. So much media that serves to encourage the break-up of families and engender suspicion between people, especially men and women, with the effects of rising divorce rates and increased loneliness, and the thought police being instilled in education and social life through PC laws; coming as people's sense of community is being undermined by influxes turned into media-induced panic attacks of foreigners real and imagined, leading to the creation of lonely, rigid, uptight people who cannot relax and have no idea what's going on, and almost afraid to exist. It's terrifying.


 No.2686

>>2665

Everyone who realizes this has a duty to describe it to others so that they can understand it.

Unfortunately mere words don't hold anyone's attention. Even in the case of people with whom you have a deep relationship. The only way to break through to the common man is through stimulation and conditioning. They have lost their humanity; their ability to reason. But maybe they can be brought back.

If not, then the only thing to do is to persuade those ones closer to the tyrants, or the tyrants themselves. But how can these well-rewarded slaves be persuaded? How can the tyrants be persuaded to risk their empire in a changing of ways?

Do you agree with my statements?

What is your art?


 No.2687

>>587

>And again, technology and psychopathy good

Where did it suggest that?




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